Denis Savard fired; Joel Quenneville new head coach
This is a shocker: Denis Savard has been fired as head coach of the Blackhawks and has been replaced by Joel Quenneville, as being reported by the official Hawks' site. There were definitely some things that Savard was doing that I disagreed with, but I really didn't think he would be fired just 4 games into the season, and the day after a victory. Apparently, there is going to be a press conference today at 4:30 PM to announce the news.
So, we know Quenneville has had a lot of success as a head coach in the NHL, which already has me thinking this is a good move, as Savard was inexperienced from the get-go and probably shouldn't have been made into a coach yet anyways. We will probably see some roster moves made in the next few days -- I wonder if Cam Barker is coming back up now? As well as potential other moves, like the trading of Khabibulin if that is still in the works.
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im just scared now
that this will turn a very rocky situation into an even more unstable situation. are they gonna implement a new system or just tweek some things? there are a lot of questions now that need to be answered. i think this was the wrong move at this point.
"I remember taking a look at him and saying ‘Anyone who perms his hair has got to go’. So we sent him to Fort Worth." - Don Cherry on Don Saleski
by Raj Binder's Labido on
Oct 16, 2008 11:51 AM CDT
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I am curious
to know what kind of style Quenneville will be implementing. I know he had some great success with the Blues and Avalanche but I can’t remember if he is more of a defensive or offensive coach.
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by SCH on
Oct 16, 2008 11:53 AM CDT
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Surprising move
but replacing Savard with Quenneville is a smart one nontheless.
Like you, SCH, I’m interested to see what Quenneville’s master plan is.
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by ChiFan13 on
Oct 16, 2008 11:54 AM CDT
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Some quotes from Savard
From the Sun Times:
“I’m disappointed,” Savard told Sun-Times Hawks beat reporter Len Ziehm. "I know we’ve done a lot of great things.
“I put our young kids in a position to succeed. I thought we were on the right track.”
“I understand the business,” Savard said. “We made a commitment to our fans, and they’re going for what they think is the best coach available.”
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by SCH on
Oct 16, 2008 11:57 AM CDT
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Really shocked about this mood
Four games into the season and get fired? The Rangers and the Caps have been playing pretty good this season. I hope this wasn’t a performance based because it’s too early for that. Hopefully this move doesn’t backfire on us.
"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth
by TkGoUWGB on
Oct 16, 2008 11:59 AM CDT
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Perhaps because of the goalie situation?
Saw this on the Hawks’ board, thinking maybe it’s due to the goalie situation? Perhaps Dale told Savvy to use Huet as the #1 completely and when Savvy went with Khabby that pissed him off? Although I can’t blame Savvy for using Khabby the way he’s been playing.
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by SCH on
Oct 16, 2008 12:04 PM CDT
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I don't think Tallon is running the show anymore
There’s someone else pulling the strings(Scotty?). I have a hard time Tallon would go through his third coach this early in the season, it’s a poor reflection on his track record as well.
by El Duque's Raft on
Oct 16, 2008 12:10 PM CDT
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Possible...
…But Tallon signed both goalies to their contracts so I doubt that’s the issue. I think when Quenneville was hired in September the writing was on the wall but Tallon still wanted to give Savvy a chance to start off well.
by seang03 on
Oct 16, 2008 12:11 PM CDT
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Didn't give him much of a chance...
that’s what surprises me. only 4 games. I could see if it had been 20-25 games or something.
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by SCH on
Oct 16, 2008 12:13 PM CDT
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Well he's had a year and a half to prove he's an NHL coach
and obviously the decision makers didn’t deem him worthy. I would rather they do it now, rather than wait until the season is a lost cause.
by El Duque's Raft on
Oct 16, 2008 12:18 PM CDT
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I'm suprised
I hope it works out for the best. Bottom line i’m still concerned about wins.
by eternale1 on
Oct 16, 2008 12:21 PM CDT
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I think Quenneville's experience is going to help
Sometimes it just seemed like Savard didn’t have a real system in place and the players were confused. I think Joel is going to be an improvement behind the bench, ultimately.
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by SCH on
Oct 16, 2008 12:28 PM CDT
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Sassone on WSCR
is saying that Savard might have been fired for trying to force management’s hand on an extension.
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by SCH on
Oct 16, 2008 12:39 PM CDT
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Rosenbloom at the Tribune thinks
that Bowman is behind it, and that McDonough and Bowman both have the “hire the best” mentality, hence Quenneville was brought in.
I still think this was way to soon though.
How does everyone think this effects the fans’ view of the front office, firing a Hawk legend? I personally don’t care, but what do others think?
by stadiumguru on
Oct 16, 2008 2:03 PM CDT
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I don't put too much thought into anything Rosenbloom says
but as far as firing a Hawk legend, who cares. He was a great player and an average coach. I would hope the organization I root for would be able to see past his playing resume and look at his coaching skills.
by El Duque's Raft on
Oct 16, 2008 2:07 PM CDT
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Best of luck Savvy...
but this was not too surprising. Denis has had over a season to put his stamp on this team and really they still don’t seem to have much of an identity. Quenneville is a solid coach and I look forward to what he will do. Specifically I’d like to see him getting our D-men playing better and with some purpose. I’m looking at you Seabrook.
I would have thought Tallon was safe but I question his off-season. Campbell was a great move to fill a need. However Huet signing was unnecessary and we lost scoring (Lang & Williams) that was not replaced. His clock might be ticking too.
Thanks for doing your best Denis. Hope everything works out for you.
by Glenn Hall's Vomit Towel on
Oct 16, 2008 2:07 PM CDT
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Yeah the consensus seems to be
that Bowman is behind this move. And I have to think that Tallon is probably next, most likely.
And I have to agree, the whole “firing a legend” stuff or whatever doesn’t bother me. Savvy wasn’t a great coach and they decided to make a change. The only thing that has me puzzled is, again, the timing of it. They should have just done it over the summer.
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by SCH on
Oct 16, 2008 2:12 PM CDT
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lol the guy interviewing Savvy
is really pushing him hard to give him some answers
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by SCH on
Oct 16, 2008 2:23 PM CDT
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On NHL XM, apparently...
they reported that Savard was getting orders from upper management to do things and he wasn’t following them. For instance, he wanted to play Khabby on Monday yet others wanted Huet in there.
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by SCH on
Oct 16, 2008 3:01 PM CDT
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Sorry but why the...
hell do the Hawks brass have such a hard on for this Huet guy? Khabby was solid last year and he’s already signed and you can bring Crawford along this year as backup. Who’s Cheerios did Khabby piss in? Anyone watching that shootout the other night can’t really believe Huet is the guy to “get us there”. If they hired Quenneville because he will take orders than fuck this firing Savard business. I only want Quenneville if he can play who he wants to play. I sincerely hope that statement on XM is just some kind of misunderstanding.
by Glenn Hall's Vomit Towel on
Oct 16, 2008 3:24 PM CDT
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Well...
I think Khabby has been pretty decent in a Hawks uniform with some crap defense in front of him for much of the time. Statistically, Huet has been a better goalie in his career and his younger age probably was a plus in Tallon’s eyes. I don’t think it was a terrible signing at the time, but the fact that it has led to us carrying two very expensive goalies, one of which we can not unload to save our lives, and now is probably a main cause of Savard losing his job, has turned it into a serious mistake for Dale. In hindsight, the Huet signing seems kind of unnecessary unless he has a seriously awesome year, but chances are he will not perform that much better than Khabibulin will in the same situation.
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by SCH on
Oct 16, 2008 3:34 PM CDT
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Goalies
I agree with what everyone is saying here but bottom line is we have to just wait and see which goalie to go with. Its still early and Khabby or Huet could go by the wayside over the next couple games. We have to keep experimenting (unfortunately at the cost of some losses probably) to find who is the right guy in goal. Give Huet a few more chances and see what happens. Lets remember that he’s brand new to the team where as Khabby has had awhile to get accustom to things.
Not saying its right (or that I support one more than the other) but with the amount of money we have on both goalies we have to be sure we’re making the right decision before we do it and regret it and let yet another goalie go by the wayside.
On another note, thanks to Savvy for some great times and best of luck to you in the future. You will always be remember for the great things you brought and did for this organization whether on the ice or behind the bench.
by delorean80 on
Oct 16, 2008 3:42 PM CDT
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Horrible move!
I totally believe that Denis was fired over the goalie situation.
Let’s face it, people hate to be wrong. Especially when huge money is on the line. Dale Tallon decided to sign Huet to a huge contract, then dump Khabibukin so he could not be proven wrong.
Savard is a winner and he has class. When he saw how bad Huet is, how could he play him. I was at the Nashville came in the front row. Huet cannot stop a breakaway, period!
Denis did not want to play him becasue he like to win. Tallon cannot allow anyone to get in his way with Huet. Tallon will take the team down to be right. Sound familiar with the Bears and Rex Grossman. Rex Play no matter if we loose the Superbowl! We are right and everyone else is wrong mentality. That Tallon. What has he done? Nothing in my opinion. Drafting Toews and Kane. How could you not, it was a no brainer in both circumstances.
They state that they were trying to turn things around. In my opinion, they have. Things were going so well, now they have put a stop to it. Savard was at the center of the movement w/ Toews & Kane to turn this team around. Now they have put a stop to it.
The Blackhawks should refund season ticket holders who are no longer interested which includes me.
All 8 of my tickets will be on sale for every game!
by afushi on
Oct 16, 2008 5:04 PM CDT
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Press conference
Watching it and it seems like Dale is a man on the way out. He sure looks down and not feeling too optimistic.
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by SCH on
Oct 16, 2008 5:06 PM CDT
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lol come on afushi
I don’t think you should be losing interest this early in the season. Yes, this situation could have been handled better but I actually think the Hawks became a better team today by making the change they did behind the bench.
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by SCH on
Oct 16, 2008 5:51 PM CDT
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If McDonough,
turns this team into a franchise like the Cubs, I’m out.
by antbogey on
Oct 16, 2008 7:47 PM CDT
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I think what happned here...
…is similar to what McDonough did with the Cubs by bringing in Piniella, who was considered one of the best baseball minds available. And you saw Piniella start to launch players in 07 that Hendry never would have on his own.
With the Hawks, bringing in Bowman was another McDonough move and not unlike Piniella, he told his GM to listen to what this guy has to say. IMO, this recommendation came from Bowman, because he obviously felt Savard didn’t have the experience to guide a young team that needs the right coach. I like the move and think it will work out in the long haul.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Oct 16, 2008 9:00 PM CDT
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Typical old school hawks b.s.
Regardless of whether or not Savard should be coaching, this sure is a shabby way to treat a Blackhawks legend. It seems like this move has been planned for some time (my bro pointed out to me this evening that Q was hired this summer) and that just makes this whole thing seem tawdry. 4 games in? No way they changed their mind that quickly. Goaltending? Huet has sucked so far (can’t seem to cover the 5 hole) and Khabby actually played well in both appearances.
Makes me worry that the old school Wirtz management practices (like firing a guy by sliding a note under his hotel door) are coming back to roost.
by whw on
Oct 16, 2008 9:06 PM CDT
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Did we get a winner
Did we get a winner in this deal. No! We lost one. Take away the dynasty of the Oilers, and a man (with friends) named Gretzky, and Savvy makes Chicago “Hockeytown” in spit of Mike Keenan. How many Stanley Cups does the new man have? Zero. The same as Rocky and Dale, but wait he was an assistant coach for one……32 playoff games played in the NHL and he took a team to the conference finals in his 5th season with the same club. He then went sour again, and never made it past the 2nd round. Tallon has no way to judge what is going on. Pee poor at best. “Experience and Track record” show it to me!
by TimothyO on
Oct 16, 2008 9:54 PM CDT
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I think a lot of people need to
look past what Savard did as a player. Look at it like this, Coach A has a career 65-67 record and very little head coaching experience. Coach B has a career 428-268 career record, 11 years of head coaching experience, along with a playoff appearance in every season but one. Now which of these two candidates would you want coaching your young and very impressionable team.
by El Duque's Raft on
Oct 16, 2008 11:13 PM CDT
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I agree...
…and I had the sense, that Savard didn’t really have full control of these guys.
I loved him as a player, but lets face it, 90% of the time, the best coaches couldn’t play worth a crap.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Oct 17, 2008 12:49 AM CDT
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I don't disagree...
with whether or not Q is the better coach for this team (I don’t necessarily agree either).
I take issue with the way in which this was handled – they could’ve made this move well before the season started. And Savard’s history as a ’hawk has everything to do with at least showing him a little respect. How do they expect to reconnect with past blackhawk greats like Mikita when they treat a guy who has his number in the rafters like this?
by whw on
Oct 17, 2008 6:25 AM CDT
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Savard should never have been a coach to begin with.
My only reservation is that it wasn’t done immediately when they hired Q over the summer.
In 4 games, after signing Campbell almost solely to improve our dismal power play, we were 2-16. And we were 2-16 for a reason, this team rarely even set up an offense while a man up. While I was surprised it happened 4 games in, better now than later.
Q will be a major improvement over Savard at this point. Under Savvy, this team never implemented a clear system, never established any consistent lines, never had a powerplay worth a damn. Great player, below average coach.
Now as soon as Tallon gets his papers, this organization can finally claim they are committed to winning with a straight face.
by chrome on
Oct 17, 2008 1:09 PM CDT
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And I should add, the White Sox showed
what can happen when you bring a guy who can be referred to as Q into the mix.
As long as Quenneville doesn’t break Toew’s wrists while slamming a hockey stick in frustration, this team is now officiallly playoff bound.
by chrome on
Oct 17, 2008 1:14 PM CDT
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The Goalie Situation is Tallon-made
You can’t fault Savard for playing both goalies. It’s his job to keep both of these guys fresh and ready to play any day they need them to play. Also if you’re going to invest as much as we are putting in our goalies and we’re keeping Barker down because of it, why NOT play them? Why pay somebody $6M to sit on the bench when he can’t do any worse than Huet is doing? I expect the new coach to play the hot hand, whether its Huet or Khabby.
"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth
by TkGoUWGB on
Oct 17, 2008 1:35 PM CDT
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Why pay somebody $6M to sit on the bench…
You won’t have to worry about this with Quenneville. He repeatedly stuck with Theo even though there was no evidence that his play had turned around until the second half of a contract year. Budaj had a run of 5-1-1 and he basically benched him as soon as he lost a game. All of us Avs bloggers figured it was a mandate from on high that they had to get their money’s worth out of the Theo trade. At least we didn’t send much the other way (unlike every trade Colorado ever made with Calgary…).
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
by Mike @ MHH on
Oct 19, 2008 7:36 PM CDT
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Perhaps we can look at the Caps
brining in Boudreau was the best thing to happen to that young team.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on
Oct 17, 2008 6:36 PM CDT
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What will Quenneville Bring to the Table?
‘Coach’ Q is an old-school, defense-first, dump-and-chase coach. He stifled younger talent on the Avalanche’s roster, horribly mishandled a goalie situation that appeared to be driven by the front office rather than the play on the ice, and operated a PP that ranked 28th to 30th for nearly the entire season. Granted he worked wonders with a depleted lineup due to injuries, but at the same time, he thought stationing Ryan Smyth behind the goal was the most effective use of his talents, and had Joe Sakic on the point in the PP. He could go a completely different way in the Windy City, but he was let go in Denver because management wanted an up-tempo, offensive style that catered to the younger talent on the team. As a summary, here’s a post over at ITCS regarding Chicago hiring former Avs head coach Quenneville:
Young, inexperienced forwards? CHECK.
Two goaltenders and no clear starter? CHECK.
First pairing defenseman that is great on offense, not so much in his own zone? CHECK.
Team skill-set that excels in transition offense? CHECK.
I think Chicago found just about the worst possible coaching selection possible for how that team is built.
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by Mike @ MHH on
Oct 19, 2008 7:34 PM CDT
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