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Take a look at some of those Corsi Ratings, they're just downright silly.  Anyway, it's my job to try and accurately sum up what we saw last night in written form.  It's a big challenge, and I'll probably fail miserably.  But it's been a good run.

How bad were the Hawks in the first 12 minutes?  I can't think of a section of the team I want to single out more than the other to tell them they were overturned short buses.  Everyone was groin-punch awful.  The d-men couldn't complete a pass or clear the zone if you threatened to burn the hair off their scrotum.  The forwards looked at coming back into the defensive zone like it was a gay bar.  Huet was getting windburn from the pucks firing past him.  This wasn't even a shit show.  This was that shit demon from that awful movie Dogma.  That's how bad it was.

A word on Huet here.  I'm probably going to be the last one off the Huet bandwagon -- just as I was the last one off the Milton Bradley bandwagon (I thought he'd hit, I really did.  And I love OBP guys.  Oh well).  And he was left completely out to dry by the Hawks last night.  Barker had a horrific turnover (again!) leaving Boyd a one-timer from all of 8 feet out.  The second goal was a bad deflection that Huet didn't pick up in time.  The 3rd was Keith looking ---well, like the three of us did at the end of the night -- and being completely flummoxed by a Jokinen flipper to only Jarome Iginla.  That said, Huet has got to bail someone out at some point.  Our d-men are playing a high-risk, high-reward game, and they're going to break down on occasion.  Huet probably needs to stone Iginla there for all of us to feel comfortable.

Go back and look at some of the comments after Niemi's shutout of Florida.  God they're funny now, aren't they?

And then....fuck I don't know.  What was that?  Calgary is just the latest team to learn that if you sit back and let the Hawks find their feet and come at you, you're going to pay.  And a lot.  When they do get going and are given space, there's no one who can stick with them.  NO ONE.  Once Madden got on the board (I'm starting to fall in love with John Madden, I'm sure I'm not the only one) I got the feeling in the building that most people thought it wasn't over yet. 

Certainly wasn't.  The 2nd period is when we finally saw the Bolland-Kane axis start to click.  Look at the buildup to Kane's and Weapon's goal, it's just beautiful.  Hopefully, this is the start of a path of destruction.  If not, Kane's going to do it himself anyway.  Has he ever looked this good?

Wait, Buff has hands?

You know what happened the rest of the way, the 3rd got way tighter, especially after Shooter's nifty deflection of Keith's wrister, and though the Hawks carried most of it, there weren't nearly as many chances in the 2nd.  They then ended it on the first one in OT.

Few thoughts:
-As I said, I love John Madden.  Like, infinity.

-I'm about ready to describe Niklas Hjalmarsson as "a thing".  He's been that good.

-As much fun as it was last night, I find myself more upset about some of the things I saw than happy.  Yes, great comeback and they showed lots of testicular fortitude in doing it.  The thing is, we already knew the Hawks can pump you full of lead (and other things) when given the chance.  What I want to see is a full 60-minute effort, and the Hawks really shouldn't be rewarded for only showing up when they deign to.  I hope they know they got away with something last night (and on Saturday too), and won't next time.  I'd hate to see justification for their ways. 

As for Huet, piss-poor start.  But that's what it is right now, a start.  Oct.  Tober.  Remember that.  And you'd better get behind him anyway, because there is no other solution.  There's no goalie to go get, and we don't have the space if there was. 

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Credit where credit is due

I loved the 4th line last night. After the 12-minute fuck-a-thon that was the beginning of the game, they just decided that they were gonna kick some nuts in, regardless of the score. It was their shift just prior to Madden’s that got things going. I really think that Skille is going to be a solid 2-way player one day, and his time now on the grinder line is only going to help that.

Also, Ladd played like a man on fire last night (the Denzel Washington kind). I loved every second. For the people who went to the game, it looked like when the glass shattered that Robyn Regher went over and gave the kid sitting there something. Anyone see what it was? Classy move, either way.

Finally, I know Toews has a tendency to be a slow starter, but I really think that he needs to shoot more. Last year it was kind of an average goal he scored for his first, but after that the floodgates opened. Versteeg can get him the puck in the slot…make it happen.

Thank god I don’t have congenital heart disease (yet), because this team would kill me by April if I did.

by AirTrafficAJ on Oct 13, 2009 12:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Regher brought over a towel

I think the person (child?) that got hit with the glass was bleeding because I saw a little kid being lead up the stairs with towel to the face.

by Sportsgal on Oct 13, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Campbell flipped him a puck after the 2nd period ended when he got back from getting medical attention and returned to his seat

http://accordingtwomey.blogspot.com

by hawksfan21 on Oct 13, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have never seen Kane skate like this.

His skating is so much stronger, particularly noticeable along the boards. There was a moment in the third when Kane was bringing it up ice. He dumped it towards the corner, flew around his man at the blue line, straight up muscled past the next defensemen to get to the puck, and circled in the corner to create some space before dishing it off. Voila, the Hawks were set for the possession.

It was a simple play that didn’t result in a goal, although I believe they got a nice shot off the possession. But it was the way he was skating without the puck all night that was just slap-you-in-the-face noticeable. It will now be one of my Freidman-esque analogies when we look back on this year, reflecting on Kane’s 95 point breakout.

Got more soul than a sock with a hole.

by chrome on Oct 13, 2009 12:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He's playing like a man possessed.

My brother (not a big hockey fan) came with me to the home opener and mentioned how everything seems to slow down and all the players react differently when Kane has the puck. To sit in the 300s behind the offensive zone and just watch the way he controls the flow of play with his vision is unreal. Think he’s scary good now? Wait about 2 or 3 years till he’s athletically in his prime.

twitter.com/kaner88

by Original Six on Oct 13, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uhh ummm...

I remember a certain someone suggesting that Kane could get record a 90-100 point season and being ridiculed for it during the summer. That’s all.

It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!

by hawks61 on Oct 13, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Got a link?

I’d like to give credit where its due. Hope I wasn’t the one who ridiculed you on that. Doesn’t sound like me though.

twitter.com/kaner88

by Original Six on Oct 13, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know ...

I seem to recall Roenick being a lot like that. Tons of promise, and perhaps starting out with alot more sand than Kane did, but he really brought himself up several notches to become more than just a really good player during his time with the ’Hawks. Roenick was a threat to score any time he was on the ice, but he was non-stop energy and fire and even as a scrawny teenage kid, he would go out there and bang when need be.

I sure hope Kane realizes he has the basic building blocks to become an elite level player in this league, which I am sure he does realize. But what I hope the most is that he has the cajones to do what it takes to become one.

by artroland on Oct 14, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen

the key word being “muscled.” He looks so much stronger and tougher, but still flies.

by cliffkoroll on Oct 13, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still riding high from last night...

the hangover is actually even kind of nice feeling.

Agree with you on most points for sure, especially the Milton Bradley bandwagon. I’m still on that train- chemistry doesn’t matter in baseball, the media are just idiots. Huet is obviously going to have to step up though or else I will stop believing he can actually deliver a .915+ sv% anymore and he just rode a hot run a few years ago. We’ll see. Glad to see Niemi make a few good saves to pick up the relief win however.

Disagree on one thing though- I thought that Hjalmarsson sucked last night. Could have just been that he didn’t know how to cover for one of Campbell’s worse efforts (and really who could have), and therefore looked bad, but I thought he was not good, Of course, he was looking great in every other game and maybe even our best D-man so far this year since DK and Seabs have been off and on.

Kane is ridiculous. Wow I take back my previous stance that he could possibly be let go if needed for a big return…he is WAY better this year and can basically carry a team’s offense. Lock that kid down ASAP Stan. Buff has been the perfect linemate for him so far as well, and looks to be reaching the potential everyone’s wishful thinking imagined for him. good to see Bolly looking good after the injury and that line is great right now- those three and Madden were huge in the comeback.

The play by Kane i think chrome is talking about was SICK, he was getting bodied up hard around the boards and worked the puck past two defenders and made the pass to a open man. Yeah he definitely couldn’t have made it last year, way stronger. And he seems to be playing a bit of D on the rare occasions the Buff/Bolland/Kane line is out of the offensive zone.
Also adding a vote to those who said Skille was good last night- much better than Sat. he made some hits, forechedked hard, and used his speed to make some good plays- very promising.

Sopel is hilarious.

by Canseco's Roid Party on Oct 13, 2009 12:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I feel like hammer's performance was slightly contingent on soupy's

And Soupy was never one to give him much to work with. The two aren’t Keith-and-Seabs (no kidding— understatement of the year, much?) but eventually they’ll get their positioning right so when Soupy does a blind pass behind him, Hammer will actually be able to receive it.

by chiblackhawks on Oct 13, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad someone else noticed that play.

I turned to my brother right after he dished it off and said, “holy shit.”

I disagree though about Hammer, I thought he looked very good the last two periods.

I just farted super loud in my cube. Whoops.

Got more soul than a sock with a hole.

by chrome on Oct 13, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was you?

I thought it was the furnace kicking on, with a squirrel stuck to the burner.

by artroland on Oct 14, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huet Sucks!

I know that the team did nothing to help him, but Huet needs to stop starting games. He is not our guy, there are so many things that are just fundamentally wrong with his game. as of now he is letting 1 goal in for ever 5.6 shots on net. Ridiculous! Niemi needs to gain some confidence in the net and the powers that be need to figure out how to deal with Huet’s salary. Seriously, he is like the laughing stock on the NHL right now.
Totally agree about Madden, he’s a stud. That whole line was pretty damn crucial to that comeback. Brouwer was my player of the game.
Kane is just going to get better.
Kudos to Hjammer for some brilliant plays ( Made a few stupid mistakes too )
What a crazy game to have had the pleasure of attending.
Hostile Hawk@PuckPowWow.com

by Puckpowwow.com on Oct 13, 2009 12:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, we should go to our struggling

rookie backup, 5 games in….

Got more soul than a sock with a hole.

by chrome on Oct 13, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Laughing Stock of the league?

Are you unfamiliar with the Maple Leafs?

by burgstrom on Oct 13, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No no no.

He said he is LIKE the laughing stock of the NHL right now… so Huet isn’t exactly the laughing stock of the NHL, he’s similar to the laughing stock of the NHL.

Am I getting this right, Powpow?

NOW STOP IT RIGHT HERE

by mjthor on Oct 13, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not quite

luongo is the laughing stock of the leauge, i think?

"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH

by Illini0509 on Oct 13, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, Huet has some issues

In the shoot-out of a few days ago against the Avs, he didn’t even have his glove up or open during a few of the sequences.

However, the team has made the committment to the guy. They have to play him. You bench him now, you lose him and you have a kid in goal. As has been mentioned, on the first and third goals Monday night, Huet was let down by his defense — the turnover, and the breakaway.

Obviously, you have to stop some of those. But you can’t stop them all. Huet has to play.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 13, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

is there anywhere you can watch the whole game?

by misplacedcanadian on Oct 13, 2009 12:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I second this question. I’d love to watch it again. Anyone? I’m good searching porn, but need help with hockey games.

by ChicoMaki on Oct 13, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if you just want some highlights

here’s a good quality video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHOjKxgkvFc

"The Hawks need a lube job on their offense right now."-Pat Foley

by Bell_Boy on Oct 13, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huge Thank You

Missed the entire game last night because I had to work. But from what I saw in highlights, the game was amazing.

He Gone!
F*@k the Trees, Save Me!

by chisoxgirl5 on Oct 13, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

how long do we have to wait

before we can pass judgment on Huet’s performance? I’m with you on him— he’s not the best, and while he needs to try and do his job sometimes, he’s also being hung out to dry by the defense. We don’t really have any other options so I’m hoping whatever he’s doing between the pipes (ie, nothing) doesn’t last very long, because really, we’re kind of stuck.

by chiblackhawks on Oct 13, 2009 12:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We are not stuck

Ever heard of the waiver wire? If placed upon waivers a team can select to pick up Huet and his contract, if not the Hawks can option him to Rockford thus clearing his $5.6 million off the cap total leaving the Hawks some room to make a deal to bring in another netminder. There are options, and plenty of them.

It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!

by hawks61 on Oct 13, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So based on

What you saw from Niemi last night you want to toss Huet on waivers and have a Niemi/Crawford tandem until the trade deadline? Because there aren’t too many teams out there looking to deal away #1 goaltenders that would be an upgrade…

by AirTrafficAJ on Oct 13, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

golly gee, the waiver wire sounds a lot like

what we did to Khabby last year. Worked out well, the waiver wire, especially in getting rid of a player.

Also, don’t we pick up half the salary if another team picks them up? Does that count against a cap hit? I mean, you’d have to wonder what team would pick Huet up, but there’s a risk, isn’t there?

And then there’s the question of which goalie we’d actually, feasibly, be able to acquire. Who do we have to lose to get this goalie? When you say there are plenty of options, do you mean workable, actionable ones or just the kind that help you sleep better at night? I’d like to be optimistic about alternatives but I’m not really sure what we have, so yeah, this isn’t sarcastic or anything, I’d really love some enlightenment on this.

by chiblackhawks on Oct 13, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The one thing we learned about Khabby...

…is that he’s a great goalie in a contract year. Twice.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 13, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A team would pick up half only on re-entry. And any player picked up on waivers, or re-entry waivers, that salary is gone, nothing against our cap.

You’re not the only one who needs enlightenment as to our “plenty” of options with respect to goaltending.

by ChicoMaki on Oct 13, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm almost positive if a player is picked up on waivers, the half salary still being paid for

counts against the cap. Could be wrong about that.

It might be a different Wirtz but no Wirtz is in the business of giving away money for nothing. This would the last ditch scenario.

FifthFeather.com

by El Duque's Raft on Oct 13, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I won’t dispute you on the cap issue … I’m going by memory, not a fresh reading of anything. I really thought the wallet was the hit after someone picked up half the salary, not the cap.

In any case, I agree about the chances of him being placed on waivers. Especially considering we don’t have a viable number one behind him.

by ChicoMaki on Oct 13, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're absolutely right Chico

If a team claims a player placed on waivers then they are responsible for the remainder of the contract; however if a player is placed on re-entry waivers and then is claimed, the team claiming the player is only responsible for half of the contract of that year with the previous team responsible for the other half of that year- all of which counts against both teams salary cap of that particular year. If there are years remaining on the contract, the team that acquires the player thorugh the claim is responsible for the remainder of the contract through the following years.

ex.) if Huet is placed on re-entry waivers and is claimed by Toronto then the Hawks would be liable for half of Huet’s 5.6 million for this year with the Leafs covering the other half; however the Hawks would not be responsible for the duration of the contract. It would be Toronto that would be responsible for the next 2 years of the contract.

It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!

by hawks61 on Oct 13, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're absolutely wrong

Went back and checked the CBA. A player claimed off re-entry waivers, both teams cover half of the contract for the remaining terms and both assume the cap space.

That’s why Dallas is paying half of Sean Avery’s contract for the next three years while he plays in New York. Plus his $2 million still counts against their cap.

FifthFeather.com

by El Duque's Raft on Oct 13, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed I am wrong and thus apologize

Should have looked into the nature of Avery’s deal when placed upon re-entry by Dallas (which is raw deal for Dallas).
With that said it is highly unlikely Huet ends the year in Chicago, and who would touch Huet even at the cost of $2.8125 per season for another 2 years after this season? If Anderson in Colorado had trouble getting a job and Biron is now a back-up on Long Island what are the chances of the Hawks either trading away Huet or him being claimed on waivers?

It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!

by hawks61 on Oct 13, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So what's your answer?

Being that there are zero tenders out there who are better than Huet available right now, are you comfortable with a Niemi/Crawford tandem until the trade deadline?

by AirTrafficAJ on Oct 14, 2009 2:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No...absolutely not!

Let’s face it the Hawks could do much worse than Huet as a starting netminder for he has shown in the past in Montreal and Washington that he capable of handling the load of a #1, just not exceeding 50 GP but it’s hard to imagine with the amount of back to back games the Hawks have for him to play upwards of 60 GP if he stays all season (which I doubt).
As for zero tenders? How about Giguere? 2003 Conn Smythe and 2007 Stanley Cup Champion. How about Roloson? led the Oilers in the Stanley Cup Final in 2006 and if not injured maybe wins the Cup and the Conn Smythe so there are options.
The thing is if you look at Scotty Bowman’s recent track record you’ll find that he has had a strong influence in bringing in a veteran netminder. In Pittsburgh, I’m sure he was a major influence in bringing in Barrasso for he coached him for close to 4 years while in Buffalo. In Detroit, one of the first moves the Wings made after their 1st round exit to the Sharks was to bring in Mike Vernon a former Stanley Cup Champion. The same thing happened after the Wings were exiled in the 1st round to the Kings in 2001 and they brought in Dominik Hasek.
Granted it ‘s Stan that is the GM of the Hawks but I hardly doubt that Scotty’s voice goes unheard; case in point, the firing of Denis Savard only to be replaced by Joel Quenneville (Bowman’s guy).

It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!

by hawks61 on Oct 14, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All solid goalies

Despite Rolo’s tootsie roll knees or Giguere’s back, the problem is the asking price for both will be ridiculously high given the fact that their respective teams know that we supposedly need a starter. Just gonna have to suck it up and deal with Huet. I personally think he will come around. We know he can perform, I just think it’s a mental thing.

by AirTrafficAJ on Oct 14, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong.

For starters the asking price for Giguere will be low for the Ducks just want ro rid themselves of that contract and if they can get a position player for Giguere then they’d be all for it. As for Roloson and his knees? Did he not play over 60 games last season? And once DiPietro comes off of IR the Islanders are going to face some tough choices, therefore the asking price won’t be as high as some would predict.

It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!

by hawks61 on Oct 14, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So the Ducks and the Isles

Will lower their price, full well knowing the Hawks need a goaltender? Would you give up Barker for a rental? It’s probably what it would take…

by AirTrafficAJ on Oct 15, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

10 games

That’s how long I’m waiting with Huet. I figure 10 starts is enough for everyone to gel, the D-Men to get on the same page, and a combination of road/home games to have played in most situations. Then throw out the best and worst games of the bunch and look at what his average is. I’m hopeful that he’ll be settled in and will have worked on the flaws that everyone else has pointed out. (Since we hear it from every different broadcast team that’s covered them.) The guy’s not dumb—he’s got to know the scouting report against him, doesn’t he? So I’m hopeful he’ll work on it.

Given the performance of the whole team at the start last night, you have to wonder what their mindset is lately. They haven’t looked very sharp for a couple games. Maybe a long road trip will help. When’s that circus/ice show coming to town?

by Preacher000 on Oct 13, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thoughts on a Great Comeback

Used to have an old sn on here but I can’t find it. Guess that’s one of the downsides to constant alcohol abuse, so this is a new name.

Anyway, I wanted to say a couple things about the game and the season so far.

I haven’t seen anyone say this yet, but I could be missing something, I think it’s time for the Sharp experiment at the point on the PP to end. Yesterday, in that unspeakable first period, he made 3 mistakes on one shift! Bad pass out of the zone, couldn’t hold in a pass around the boards, and I think the 3rd was an ill-advised pinch (could be wrong though, I had already started heavily drinking at that point). He just doesn’t look comfortable out there at all. Time to try of something else imo.

I agree with Sam on this one about Hjalmarsson. I think he’s been among the Hawks best D man early this year, and I don’t see it stopping. I’m thoroughly impressed and semi aroused by his play.

Count me as one of the few who didn’t cheer as Huet left last night. Look, I get that he gave up 3 goals, but shit. Barker’s turnover was a gimme and Duncs got his grits cooked on that breakaway. I can’t give Huet shit for that. While Niemi rebounded well from his piss poor start, I still felt uncomfortable with him in net. Like, shitfuckshitgetthatoutofthezone uncomfortable. Definitely not ready to give him a full-time gig. Waaaaaaaaaaay too early for that. Huet will rebound. I just pray the media doesn’t force someone’s hand…

I don’t have to say anything about Kane. He’s absolutely looked phenomenal this year.

As with everyone else, Madden rocks. I love Ladd, his play is constantly intelligent, and Bolland health is wildly important to this team.

Regardless, if I hadn’t been to Vancouver Game 6 last year, this woulda been the best game I ever attended. Just nuts to see everything go down. Hell of a win.

by blangen on Oct 13, 2009 12:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree on Sharp

I was really surprised Q sent him back out to the point on the power play after the initial debacle.

by cliffkoroll on Oct 13, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know I’m the last person anyone would expect to hear this from, but that needs to end, and it needed to end on Saturday.

Get Keith on the point back there. While he’s not a true QB, he’s better than what Sharp’s given them so far.

www.secondcityhockey.com

It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.

by McClure on Oct 13, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True QBs are few and far between.

Its why they cost about $7 Mil/year.

twitter.com/kaner88

by Original Six on Oct 14, 2009 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

4 pointmen should be:

Keith/Barker
Campbell/Seabrook

no sharp, no bolland. It’s not why they are here.

by AirTrafficAJ on Oct 14, 2009 2:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huet's

performance thus far has been dissapointing.

I like what I’ve seen from the forwards up to this point.

Kane has been phenominal. I think people’s criticisms of him have been a little overblown but it appears adding the extra weight is allowing him to play more physically along the boards.

Sharp, Buff, and Versteeg have played well so far, especially Buff.

The offense as a whole has been outstanding so far, and it’s nice to know that a 40 goal scorer is going to be added at the end of the month.

by Hawks82 on Oct 13, 2009 12:40 PM CDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps

we should just send out 6 skaters to start the game and forgo the goaltender position entirely. I know there is not much to do with a 6 million dollar waste of space but how long can we sit back here and play the wait-and-see game? I know the season is still in its infant stage but unless Huet has a major turnaround in the next couple of days, the only choice we have to let Niemi have a go. He may fare no better, but something has to be done if Huet cant figure this out.

DAG GUMMIT!

by 4Feather on Oct 13, 2009 12:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It doesn’t look like Huet is doing anything to improve. Seems to be the same issues game in and game out.

Granted it is very early in the season to start asking for heads to roll I would be all for platooning the position if Huet keeps up the suckfest and give Niemi a chance to win the job(which I think he will).

Pain is a good reminder you are alive

by Bad Ass Burish on Oct 13, 2009 12:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I like both Niemi and Crawford better than Huet by a longshot, but neither is ready for a serious NHL load (let the puns begin). Just one season ago, they were barely holding the fort down I-90 in Rockford, and now we think they are going to take an NHL team to the promise land?

As much good as Tallon did well, I have to blame him for signing not one, but two goaltenders we didn’t really need 2 offseasons ago. We’re going to end up stuck with Huet for at least 41 games, but probably qiute a few more. And I’ll hate every stinkin second!

by G8K33P3R on Oct 13, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great comeback by the Hawks last night but...

How’s Brouwer doing? Last I heard they’re still trying to fish chunks of Iginla’s fist from his skull.

by DetroitSucks! on Oct 13, 2009 1:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well....

I’ll still trade Brouwer’s 5 minutes with Iginla’s any day.

by hoorock89 on Oct 13, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No matter who landed more punches, a guy who couldn’t score in a whorehouse with a bag of roofies and a bottle of absinthe took Calgary’s best skater to the box with him for 1/12 of the game. Big win for Brouwer.

http://accordingtwomey.blogspot.com

by hawksfan21 on Oct 13, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Kaner

80 point season with maybe 40 goals if he stays healthy. He looks elite.

And I’m done with Barker…ship him to the farthest corner of the earth. That’s two terrible giveaways that have directly lead to goals now (Draper’s goal in Detroit) and he’s got virtually no upside. His PP unit can’t control the puck and doesn’t sustain pressure, he’s slow, positionally bad and his slapshot is average at best. Bleh.

And I too have a man crush on John Madden. Sami who?

by hoorock89 on Oct 13, 2009 1:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

barker is struggling

but you’re wrong about his shot. I agree that most facets of his game are not where they need to be, but he absolutely has the best slapshot on the team. Seabs and campbell’s wind ups are too slow, last night dunc had a great opportunity on a sick feed from kane and he shot it 2 feet over the crossbar, and hammer’s shot is a work in progress (though I do see it getting better and better every year.) Look at madden’s goal. Barker winds up about half way and rips a quick knee high shot resulting in a big rebound. Not to mention, barker is one of the only defenseman on the team than can consitently get a one timer on net.

I am not saying that we should keep barker just because of his shot, but it certainly is not average.

"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King

by hackerar on Oct 13, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barker/Sopel is scary

They were out with 6 minutes left. I figgered it was their last shift.

Then they were back out with 3 minutes left. This aged me.

Break ‘em up? Either of these guys with Campbell isn’t much of an improvement, and you can’t break up 2 and 7.

The only solution is to shorten the D bench in the 3rd period.

by cliffkoroll on Oct 13, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Short Bench

I don’t think thats the answer either. We will run Keith/Seabs/Hjammer/Soupy into the ground. We saw what happened when Keith went out last year. Unfortunately I dont see much option short of just living with it, keeping them off in the last few min of close games and just hoping they learn.

by Delta0ne1 on Oct 13, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I too...

…am falling for Madden. hard. I cant wait to see him live in the flesh on wednesday. he didnt play the preseason game i was at but i have a feeling that sparks will fly as i watch that man play hockey tomorrow night.
Huet gets more time from me. body of work is better than this. i liked niemi once the sky stopped falling but i like niemi and the thought of niemi as a #2 and a #2 alone…at least for this year.

Kane-Weapon-Buff. this is the start of something beautiful.
insane game. i still feel like the guys in boondock saints when roc shoots the cat on accident…“i cant believe that just fucking happened!”

"...can i have a glass of whiskey and a slice of bread?"

by west_fulton on Oct 13, 2009 1:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know what's going on with Barker

I don’t recall him playing this poorly in a stretch of games last year but maybe my memory is fading? I don’t think it would be possible to trade him with his bad performance and the lack of depth we have at defense.

I’m really bummed out… he’s honestly one of the nicest guys on the team. He talked to the little boys that sit in front of me for 10 minutes when I took them to get autographs. He listened to all their stories and was completely sweet to them.

by Sportsgal on Oct 13, 2009 1:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

a couple thoughts

The buff-bolland-kane line is ridiculous, and was great last night.

It seems to me that when Hossa comes back, this line will be the first to be disbanded moving buff to the checking line with Madden and Ladd. After that, some combination of toews, versteeg, sharp, hossa, bolland, and kane will make up the first two lines. I know it is early in the season, but the thought of breaking up the buff-bolland-kane line is not a good one to me. Goals such as Kane’s with Buff screening will be less likely if buff gets moved. Who knows, maybe sharp or versteeg can fit into that third line, but that’s a stretch. Thoughts?

Second – another potential madden nickname – “Devil Eleven”

"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King

by hackerar on Oct 13, 2009 1:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

last night

Versteeg was moved onto the Madden line (with Ladd coming up to the Toews line) for awhile … wish I had TOI to prove it, but the site’s not working. I’m not sure why, maybe they wanted more screeners in front for Toews to shoot at, or maybe Q just wanted to switch it up for awhile, but Versteeg didn’t look too bad on Madden’s wing. It would be a bit undersized, but maybe something worth trying?

On a semi-related note, I love that there are so many options, even without Hossa in the equation.

by gmh on Oct 13, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ladd-Toews-Sharp

I think it was more of a move to get Toews more space to operate. With Versteeg on that line, Toews is the puck-winner, your mucker/grinder/loose-puck-finder. Ladd serves that purpose in the offensive zone, which allows Toews to do more creative things on the attack, be it shooting or distributing the puck.

I’d be willing to try Versteeg with Madden, provided Brouwer is there. It might not be the best utilization of resources to have him there with the de facto shut down line, but odd combination have worked before – (Ladd/Bolland/Havlat, Eager/Sharp/Burish).

www.secondcityhockey.com

It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.

by McClure on Oct 13, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

last season

Didn’t we see Versteeg on Pahlsson’s line along with Buff, in the playoffs? It worked out pretty well at times, it seemed, so I’m not too worried about him possibly playing with Madden and Brouwer in the future.

by gmh on Oct 13, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i thought it was so

they could get scoring threats on every line, since at that point we were beginning to play catch-up. I don’t really remember what I thought of those, only that I was surprised it took Q that long to switch things up.

Man, I love how much I love our line options. I really wanted the 32-19-88 line just to call it the Calder Line, but the current top two lines are pretty brilliant.

by chiblackhawks on Oct 13, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

He Gone!
F*@k the Trees, Save Me!

by chisoxgirl5 on Oct 13, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

end the debate about the Madden nickname and just call him this, Fucking Stud. Or maybe just Stud. Simple and to the point.

by runningquicklynowhere on Oct 13, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sadly, we already have the VerStud.

Unless Versteeg is VERSTEEG! forever and always, we shouldn’t go the the stud well again.

by fourstringninja on Oct 13, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

It’s kinda gotten to the point where maybe “Man Love” is an appropriate name.

Or Crush, since we all seem to have a crush on him.

The Telestrator isn’t working for me.

If I can't be a good example, I'll just be a horrible warning

by Trixietrx on Oct 14, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I posted a comment earlier

calling him “Devil Eleven”

I think it is a pretty hardass nickname. I didn’t get any feedback on it.

Sure he isn ’t a NJ Devil anymore, but it sounds kinda cool and gives notice to his roots.

"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King

by hackerar on Oct 14, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too many Ls

hard to say fast. But cool idea.

If I can't be a good example, I'll just be a horrible warning

by Trixietrx on Oct 14, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The wiley 'ol vet

Madden was the only one whose post game comments touched on the most important thing the team has to take away from last nights game. Namely, (as Sam pointed out in one of his last thoughts about the game) that while it was a mind bendingly fabulous come back, they really have to get their collective heads out of their asses at the start, and can’t let this kind of thing happen again, cause those kind of comebacks just ain’t gonna happen very often.

by nextgame on Oct 13, 2009 1:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

WOW!

54yrs old,thought Mulveys 5 goals where the shit.This surpasses

by idiot man on Oct 13, 2009 1:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Huet

I think Sam summed it up pretty well. A lot of the goals going in aren’t necessarily his fault, but you need him to pull one out of his ass a couple times a game and make a stop he has no business doing. All of the elite goalies do that and everyone has memories of Khabby doing that several times last season also.
That said, maybe it’s just my imagination so far, but the D seems to protect Niemi better than they do Huet. Lots of hockey left. My biggest concern is that no matter who’s in net, we’ll be going into the playoffs with a goalie with little to no playoff experience. That usually doesn’t bode well.

My goal? World domination.

by stickhandler on Oct 13, 2009 1:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

great points, I agree

by G8K33P3R on Oct 13, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's hard to say about the D

In both games we’ve seen Niemi, there hasn’t been a ton of action in our zone. The only real example of it I saw was on the PK we put three guys almost in the crease while one chased the puck. With Huet in net, the Hawks tend to be more aggressive in looking to create an opportunity for a shortie.

Chicagoan in the Lou.

by Mike Martin on Oct 13, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anything can happen

Experience is comforting but all that really matters is how well your goalie is playing when the Cup playoffs start. Giguere in ’03, Ward in ’06- this shows how far you can go without experience if you are red hot. Huet has just as good of a chance to get hot as any other goalie in the league by the time the playoffs roll around

by ChargingMajor on Oct 13, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't even think it necessarily takes a hot goalie

Correct me if i’m wrong but wasn’t khabi the worst goalie in the playoffs last year according to save percentage? We didn’t win it all but we made it pretty close.

That said, a hot goalie doesn’t hurt.

by SLoop on Oct 14, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sort of like ...

He did in that last game against Detroit in the WCF? Yeah, I’d like a second helping of that all year, thank you and leave the bottle.

by artroland on Oct 14, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

AMAZING

We’ve gone through a few threads now where nobody is calling for Byfuglien to be traded for a bag of pucks. Where are all the Buff haters?

by AirTrafficAJ on Oct 13, 2009 1:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Buff has actually figured out how to get his ass in front of the net

That’s why the “haters” are gone. He’s figured out how to take the things he learned in the playoffs and apply them to the regular season.

by Sportsgal on Oct 13, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still say if somone offers, unload him. That’s 3-large we could clear up in this salary cap tornado, unless, of course, you don’t like Toews or Kane for more than 7 months or so.

by G8K33P3R on Oct 13, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...to a point

I would take Daydream before him, but with Eager out with his concussion, the resident traffic cone signing with the lightning, and Burrish broken we have no one that can fill that physical/annoying presence.

Also I still think he looks silly skating up and down the ice, but that’s just me. I could be wrong.

by Delta0ne1 on Oct 13, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Skating wise, I’d like to see a race between Buff and Sopel. Now that would be hilarious.

by runningquicklynowhere on Oct 13, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We noticed on Buff’s goal that 2008 Buff would have still been a good 15-20 feet behind Kane at the time of the pass, not crossing the blue line right with him. You can clearly see from his physique how hard he worked out in the offseason, and he’s seeing it pay huge dividends.

http://accordingtwomey.blogspot.com

by hawksfan21 on Oct 13, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

FYI

They’re offering 50% off 100 level and 200 level tickets to Wednesday night’s game. Just have to put in TWITTER in the promo box.

by Sportsgal on Oct 13, 2009 1:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

NICE

Thanks for the info.

www.secondcityhockey.com

It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.

by McClure on Oct 13, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you can also put in FACEBOOK or MOBILE into the promo box.

by TJ3117 on Oct 13, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

That’s almost too good to pass up. Second City meet up to crash the 100-200 level?

by XxMJ20xX on Oct 13, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know i’m trying to pull some strings myself!

by G8K33P3R on Oct 13, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

bah

I’ll be in the 300 level like usual.

by runningquicklynowhere on Oct 13, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm actually pissed

There’s no way I’m going to be able to sell my tickets to the game now. But you’re welcome!

by Sportsgal on Oct 13, 2009 1:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

that sucks

i bought a pair of 100 level tickets for my brother’s birthday (for wednesday) and another set for saturday’s game – not having any luck unloading v the stars… would’ve liked to save 120 bucks

"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH

by Illini0509 on Oct 13, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hossa, Ben , Burish still to come!

sitting in sec 313 row 3 watching the Flamers score 5 goals, I looked at my brother in law that accompanied me to the game and asked him. do you think the guy I paid 16 dollars to park will give a refund if we leave know. Forgive me God for saying that. he laughed and said one goal is all is needed for a comeback. I agreed and started doing the math giving the time on the clock and knowing that the flamers over paid old aged players would prob. not last the Hawks in Skating. Then Madden scored and that was the end of that. I tell ya Im going over to the flamers blog and boy are they pissed. lololol. I had to drop a message. I just had too.

by redtribe14 on Oct 13, 2009 2:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's really the most comforting aspect of these first few games.

This team has had no trouble scoring goals, and that’s essentially without our leading scorer from last year, and missing some lower end depth from our forward lines.

Once this team is at 100%, if the hockey gods allow…shiit.

Got more soul than a sock with a hole.

by chrome on Oct 13, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sam, how are you you getting the Corsi scores?

When I input the game #20071 into TimeOnIce, it brings me to a game between Tampa Bay and Minnesota.

by Dr. Ice on Oct 13, 2009 2:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

TOI not working for me either

So frustrating, I miss being able to organize all the players according to their lines!

by gmh on Oct 13, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kane's gonna cost a shit load of money at the end of this season

He’s going to have to be offered a Hossa-like 12 year contract for us to have any shot at keeping him. I still think Toews is their number one priority.

by Sportsgal on Oct 13, 2009 2:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lalonde

Keep an eye out on Shawn Lalonde’s performance this year. If he continues to light it up from the blue line, that could enable the Hawks to move an expensive piece from their current d-corps.

www.secondcityhockey.com

It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.

by McClure on Oct 13, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't count on Lalonde yet

D is the hardest position to play. I would much rather he spend a year in Rockford before he gets thrown in the fire.

FifthFeather.com

by El Duque's Raft on Oct 13, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's a RFA

The chances of some front office giving up 4 1st round picks for any player are slim to none. Deep breaths.

FifthFeather.com

by El Duque's Raft on Oct 13, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

The RFA price slots have changed

As the average player salary goes up, the Offer price does as well for compensation. This is for this past summer, which should be about the same as next summer with the cap staying nearly the same or down.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=34760

I don’t think anyone will be offering an average of 7.5 million per year over 5 years. I could see someone sliding into the second highest slot with a longer deal (including the Blackhawks’s offer). That compensation would still be a little high for most teams too, especially with having to pay $5 to $6 million a year on top of it.

This site has some more explanations on the situation with old Offer numbers:

http://www.nhlscap.com/offer_sheets.htm

The 5 year average should really help the Hawks. And so should the requirements for teams having to have the draft picks available in the next draft.

by Spotacus on Oct 13, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think other teams poaching is the concern. The concern is how the Hawks are going to shoehorn in all of the necessary parts for a sustained period of excellence within the confines of a salary cap.

www.secondcityhockey.com

It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.

by McClure on Oct 13, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for nothing Buffalo Wid Wings

So its supposed to be a great place in the burbs to watch sports. One can only imagine how pissed I was to watch the 1st period destruction at home and then meet some buds at the neighborhood BW3’s only to learn that blackout rules somehow prohibited them from showing the game. Good thing I texted my wife to tape the last two periods and overtime.

And by the way, the wings aren’t that good either.

Go Hawks!

by pgadave on Oct 13, 2009 2:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i bet

They had Directv. Most sports bar that want to carry NFL games so they have to have Directv. Therefore even finding a bar that carries Versus can be a problem.

by TJ3117 on Oct 13, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

for half that

I’ll kick you in the nuts. Same feeling in the end.

by runningquicklynowhere on Oct 13, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank-you

"Call Detroit, tell dem... BULLSHIT!"

by Hungryhawk on Oct 13, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A thought

Maybe I should just pay a dollar to each of you and then everyone gets a kick. When we reach 200 I think I should have that #39 feeling.

"Call Detroit, tell dem... BULLSHIT!"

by Hungryhawk on Oct 13, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

the Bolland goal...

…what the fuck was phaneuf doing? the goal cam shows his stick on the ice…a foot away from the puck which was behind kipper…. Bolland just went out and got it. the more i watch the replay i wonder what was going through his fo-hawk on that play.
illllll take it!

"...can i have a glass of whiskey and a slice of bread?"

by west_fulton on Oct 13, 2009 3:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I noticed that too

Embarrassing defense by Phaneuf; it looked like he was expecting Kipper to freeze it, but Kipper had no idea where it was, and Bolland apparently froze Phaneuf into stone with some badass mind control. Not gonna lie, it felt good to see that sort of fail last night from someone not named Barker or Sopel.

by gmh on Oct 13, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

less creative comments than in my fanpost

1. How impressive was Brouwer last night? I mean, he didn’t dent the scoresheet or anything, but That Hit, plus those other hits, plus stepping up to take on Iginla, who was out for blood … in a crazy, unpredictable game, he managed to stick out positively.

2. It’s sort of wrong how good Madden is. And by “wrong,” I mean “utterly soul-satisfying.”

3. I’m not off the Huet bandwagon; he didn’t play well last night, but the entire defensive scheme and execution was terrible for the first 12 minutes. Cam Barker’s giveaway leading up to the first goal was as ugly as anything we’d seen this season, at least until the second goal Niemi let in. It’s a group effort, and they need to focus for the full 60 minutes, not just when the boos start raining down. First 12 minutes aside, our guys made the Flames look pretty bad for the rest of the game.

by gmh on Oct 13, 2009 3:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed

on all points.

Man, Brouwer just missed an uppercut at the beginning of that fight, prior to getting his head jackhammered. That would have been interesting. Still, props for not backing down.

by Geoffhawk on Oct 13, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ditto

1. Brouwer’s banging was the wake-up call for the team. Why don’t we start him tomorrow? Maybe it won’t take us half a period to realize there’s a game on.

2. I dogged Madden early, but he’s clearly everything Pahlsson was supposed to be. Nice upgrade!

3. Pre-Cutler, the most popular athlete in Chicago has always been the Bears backup QB. Now it’s the Hawks backup goalie. Sometimes there’s no great choice to be had- it’s the old Bobby Douglas / Gary Huff conundrum. So long as someone is semi-hot come playoff time, we’ll be ok.

by cliffkoroll on Oct 13, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Troy’s been looking a step quicker so far this year, and is definitely throwing his weight around. Still haven’t seen any improvement on his finishing skills, but he hasn’t had a lot of opportunities in the role he’s in. I wouldn’t mind seeing him in Kopecky’s spot on the 2nd powerplay unit.

www.secondcityhockey.com

It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.

by McClure on Oct 13, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn’t Brouwer get a lot of his points in the AHL on the power play? I hope he doesn’t become the next Rene Bourque (well … Chicago-era Rene Bourque), although with all the offensive talent on this roster, it’s hard to see him getting a larger slice of PP time. Putting him in Kopecky’s spot is something I’d be interested in seeing, as well.

by gmh on Oct 13, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since this is such a topic of discussion (already posted this) here it is:

As for who should be the starter Wednesday night against the Oilers? Niemi, for the reason being that it might be better to have the rookie start at home and have the veteran start on the road as opposed to vice-versa. Niemi right now is the feel good goaltender right now and as the back-up is feeling all the love for as we all know the back-up ‘can do no wrong’, not to mention that the Oilers are red-hot offensively right now and it might be better to put in the goaltender that has the more confidence in his game. Add to it that the last thing Huet needs is more pressure and a one-on-one battle against Khabibulin might just be that, as Huet has been struggling with his game and another poor performance in front of the boisterous UC crowd against Khabibulin may have his confidence steep even lower and that’s the last thing the Hawks need right now. In fact for Wednesday night’s game I wouldn’t be opposed to having Crawford called up from Rockford and having him back-up Niemi in case he fails for Huet could use the mental break and concentrate solely on his start in Nashville.
Huet is our starter until a deal is made for his replacement. Do I believe Huet will be the guy when the playoffs come calling? No, I think a deal will be put in place before the playoffs roll around with Huet unfortunately placed on waivers, and if cleared, sent directly to Rockford due to salary-cap concerns.

It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!

by hawks61 on Oct 13, 2009 4:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The logic makes sense

but you can’t run a professional team dancing around the precious goaltender’s ego, using kid gloves and talking in baby-talk telling him he is wonderful and special. Its the real world and everyone out there can be treated like a man. I fuck up at my job and people yell and me and tell me not to fuck up again. That’s it. Huet is gonna be just fine, he is 34 years old for god sakes. Even if its a French 34. Just let him go play some hockey and everyone get off the fucking ledge for a couple weeks.

by ChargingMajor on Oct 13, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ya... I know that "don't fuck up again!" rant

And nobody’s ever paid me $5.625 million a year.

"Call Detroit, tell dem... BULLSHIT!"

by Hungryhawk on Oct 13, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

I completely agree. No alcohol at all. Nice reasonable post about Huet.

I am still holding back a thread of judgement as all of the team sucked during the start last night. It’s a very thin thread, though.

by Gbubbs on Oct 13, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some Thoughts

1) I agree that Sharp needs to get off the PP point “Nnnnnow”, he’s bobbled way too many pucks along the blue line that have totally killed momentum.

2) Huet’s mechanics physically make me ill. However, when he’s in the zone, like that short stretch last season, he’s a #1 I’d like to have for sure. However (again), I know salary and the cap is a problem, but at least stay up a little longer. Waite has gotta be telling him this. It’s ridiculous. Iginla’s breakaway last night was a travesty.

As for Niemi, he’s not the answer either, as he really does look like a deer in the headlights out there, but I’d rather see his solid mechanics than Huet’s. For now, they should alternate starts until one gets hot and wins the job.

3) Hammer’s performance was awesome. Very very impressed.

4) Barkers was not. Very very depressed.

5) As said 500,000 times…Kane’s ‘new’ game is pretty spec-fucking-tacular.

6) This offense + Hossa—— Metal

by Hawk_GolfeR21 on Oct 13, 2009 6:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

Point 2 above doesn’t make logical sense the way I wrote it. Oops.

by Hawk_GolfeR21 on Oct 13, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My biggest complaint from last night

As happy as I am with the end result of last night’s game, there was one lingering thing sticking around in my head. Postgame, the Hawks said all the right things except for one. Kane thanked the fans for not giving up on the team. Seabrook admitted in his radio interview that the team “played like crap” in the first period.

The Hawks talk about how great their team chemistry is, how they all spend time together and look out for each other and all that wonderful stuff, but I am more than a tiny bit disappointed that nobody came out in defense of Huet (as far as I’ve read; if you’ve seen evidence to the contrary please let me know, I’d like to see it). A simple “we came back to win that game because we all felt bad about leaving Cris out to dry like that.” Nothing too complicated.

Huet hasn’t been great, and maybe you could even say he was bad. We like to talk around here about how Chris Osgood is overrated because he’s a product of the type of team defense that the Wings play. So if that’s the case, couldn’t you reasonably say that Huet’s effort last night will be underrated because he can’t be expected to both tend the net and defend the guy in the white jersey camping out in front?

Bottom line- if an opponent takes a cheap shot on your teammate, you go after him and let him know that kind of nonsense isn’t tolerated. Why should it be any different when you leave your own teammate open to cheap shots because you didn’t do your job?

http://accordingtwomey.blogspot.com

by hawksfan21 on Oct 13, 2009 6:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

VERSTEEG!

Was on the Score this afternoon. One of the hosts asked him something to the tune of “God, how much does it suck that you have to play in front of Huet? That guy is just God-awful. How do you motivate yourselves to play for a guy that is a sieve?” VERSTEEG! responded with something like “It wasn’t Huet’s fault. We had mental errors and breakdowns on the first 2 goals. Then possibly the best player in the NHL gets in on a break that not many goalies would stop. He’s a great goalie and has been solid all year; people just don’t see the things we do in film about what kinds of things he’s given up.”

Classy. Love this kid.

by illinikc33 on Oct 13, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice catch. Exactly what I was hoping to hear. VERSTEEG!- more than just a good guy to have at your karaoke bar.

http://accordingtwomey.blogspot.com

by hawksfan21 on Oct 13, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It drives me nuts

That the local sports-radio monkeys have decided to beat the “Huet is a bum” drum. Sometimes being a Chicago sports fan drives me nuts.

by AirTrafficAJ on Oct 14, 2009 2:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's more annoying than that

Is listening to these clowns try to talk about hockey—most have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

by illinikc33 on Oct 14, 2009 7:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

seriously...

I will be the first to admit i dont’ know all the nuance of hockey and how to seriously evaluate a goalie’s performance but i absolutely hate the way sports talk (when it does happen) about the hawks is full of shit.

There was a talk show host who admitted he didn’t watch the game because he had directv and then proceeded to hold a 40 minutes discussion as to how much versus sucks while peppering in insults towards huet. Can you imagine if he did this to the bears? That he didn’t watch it because you had the wrong TV package? Your a f-ing SPORTS TALK SHOW HOST!! Its your job!! Get a freakin press pass and go to the damn game. Don’t just sit on your ass and make yourself feel big because you can put down a guy who had a bad night. At least when people on this site or fans at the game rag on a player, its because they have something either emotionally or financially invested in the team. Not the bullshit, fly-by-night commenting that gets done by a large part of the sports media in this city, particularly when it comes to hawks. You know when they talk hockey? When savard got fired, when tallon got fired, when the havlat-hossa thing happened. They’re just a bunch of drama queens and act exactly as you would expect one to act if you were being paid to talk about sports.

phew, that rant felt good…

by SLoop on Oct 14, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ummm

radio talk show host are not apart of the press, so they can’t get a press pass. also its kinda hard to watch every single game of everything single sport each night. some people have to live their lives. and then they have to talk about said games every single day. so they have to come up with topics to talk about that fans want to talk about. and by judging these comments here it would be 90% about Huet.

by TJ3117 on Oct 14, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually a lot of those guys do have press passes. Especially the ESPN 1000 guys (and to be fair at least 2 of them know a lot about hockey).

by Geoffhawk on Oct 14, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

some do

the ones who actually write for the sun times and tribune or actually are assigned to cover a team like laurence holmes does for the bears on 670 have press passes, but guys like marc silverman, who im pretty sure SLoop was refering too, does not have one.

by TJ3117 on Oct 14, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

please...

they’re paid to talk about sports. With the exception of baseball season where there are two teams playing games every day, there is no excuse. There was more talk about the MNF game than the hawks on Tuesday.

Press pass or not, if you can claim the sports tv package as a legitimate tax deductable expense (assuming they don’t get directly reimbursed from their employer), pay the extra few bucks and get all the channels so you can watch the game and not sound like a total ass the next day.

I was referring more to 670 because they always like to rip on 1000 for being a national station. How freakin’ local are you when you don’t watch 1 of the only 2 teams that are in season and the bears only play once a week?!

by SLoop on Oct 14, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

apologies to the chicago fire.

by SLoop on Oct 14, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, but...

Obviously you know hockey is not exactly as popular as football, basketball or baseball, so I would guess 75% of the listeners to those shows could give a shit about hockey. And who cares, most of the people who call in about hockey are fucking idiots anyway.

I’d rather shoot myself in the foot than listen so some slob “fan” who knows even less than I do ramble on about something like huet/niemi. Which is why I come to sites like this to get my info and bullshit about the game yesterday.

by XxMJ20xX on Oct 14, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

On Huet

As I said earlier, Huet has given this dedicated longtime hockey player absolutely no reason to believe that he can play between the pipes well. He will not be able to go far in the playoffs and never has, so why should we keep trying with him. With the exception of the last game of last year he has been poor or below average. Just because he became hot for a few weeks with the Capitals doesn’t mean he can make saves consistently. Like I said, he is averaging 1 goal let in for every 5.6 shots on him. He has made one stop that I would actually call a save. Thats why they call it a save, because you back your team up when they cant stop the puck from getting to you. I agree the Hawks didn’t help him out last night, but when will he help the team out?

I really like the waiver idea and sending him to Rockford for a while. Teach him a lesson. The guy has no skills in net. Ask any goalie. Positioning, stance, post to post, glove, drops to his knees to early, butterfly sucks, nothing. Niemi looks much more fundamentally strong in net. If Huet gets better it will be due to luck.
Versteeg rocks.

by Puckpowwow.com on Oct 13, 2009 7:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Odds are that Stan Bowman trades for a goaltender by Christmas

Kris Versteeg will be the primary bait.

"Cubs will win 79 to 83 games." BLou (7/21/09)

by BLou on Oct 13, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

Like the fact that anyone is a longtime hockey player means jack shit. If you had such amazing insight into the world of professional-caliber hockey goalies you would be a pro scout and not blathering mouth diarrhea on a blog (no offense to the blog; love you guys) . Sorry, but people that say shit like that really piss me off. If you think you know more than anyone in the front office or on the coaching staff, you, sir, are delusional.

by illinikc33 on Oct 13, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im not trying to sound harsh

Only telling the truth. I don’t think the coaching staff is happy with him either, just stuck. I don’t like to sound negative, but that is all that can be said about Huet right now. Everything else is going well for the Hawks. If you look into Huet’s past there isn’t much there to get excited about. And it does mean something to have spent a shit-ton of time on the ice. No offense, but anyone who thinks the Hawks will win in the playoffs are in for a short playoff run. Give me examples of sound, steady play from him. He is still a back up goalie, not a starter.

by Puckpowwow.com on Oct 13, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

5 games into the season

and we’re having this conversation. This must be a new record.

FifthFeather.com

by El Duque's Raft on Oct 13, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome

urine is so under used these days.

by Puckpowwow.com on Oct 13, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

as a goalie, you’re right. He has below average reaction times. He tries to cheat and play percentages, but people are wise to it. No pro goalie should be going down before the shot is taken. those guys see that once on film and you get a .861 save percentage, that’s 50th in the league. Shooters are onto him, and unless he makes some fundamental changes, it’s not going to end.

by G8K33P3R on Oct 13, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly

Hell, get ready, b/c Kane and Sharpie are both going to have a 114 point season! Toews is going to have 16 points all year, drop that bum! Boy he will be cheap to re-sign after thid dud year. Oh, shit, what a bargain we got for VERSTEEG!, he’s going to have a 98 point season, WHAT A STEAL. Shit, what an idiot Tallon is for getting rid of Borque—-105 point season coming up! FUCK! OH MY GOD NIEMI HAS A 1.06 GAA!!!! OH MAN .947 SV%!!! GET HIM IN THERE RIGHT NOW!

Do you have no concept of sample size?

by illinikc33 on Oct 14, 2009 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

...and you haven't mentioned his behind the net play

lousy stickwork and no coordination with D-men.

Still, he will start more than half our games this year. Trade talk is delusional, and floating VERSTEEG! or somesuch for this purpose would be a mistake.

Goaltending will neither make nor break this team.

by cliffkoroll on Oct 14, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagee with that notion
Goaltending will neither make nor break this team.

It doesn’t matter how great the offence is if Huet and/or Niemi cannot provide at least average to above average goaltending any aspirations the Hawks have of winning the Central Division this season will be absolutely shot. There is no chance for the Hawks to continue to succeed if they continue to receive the type of netminding they’ve received to this point in the season. With that said, I do think Huet will eventually bounce back but if he continues to play like he has then I hardly doubt the Hawks will become as successful as they had hoped for going into this season.

It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!

by hawks61 on Oct 14, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed!

But illinikc33, lets not start on Toews yet. He has little in the points area but is playing a strong game nonetheless.
Sharpie is the 60 goal scorer that never was. He misses so many opportunities and still leads the Hawks in goals. I would like to see him and Kane back on a line and watch the points explode.

by Puckpowwow.com on Oct 14, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My God

60 goal scorer? You really are delusional.

by illinikc33 on Oct 14, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last Year....

…average goaltending did not make or break the team, and last time I checked, the Hawks were 3-1-1- this year, despite the weeping and gnashing of teeth and guh goaltending..

The ‘saviors’ trotted out don’t look more impressive to me than Huey with the Habs and Caps in 2007-2008, the last time we panicked and decided we needed to upgrade at this position.

Goaltending is overrated. If we cough up a Versteeg or Buff for a ‘savior’ goalie, it’ll be the stupidest thing we could do.

I am as sick of the hand-wringing on this subject as I am of the whole Campbell debate..

by cliffkoroll on Oct 14, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Deep thoughts

1. Patrick Kane is going to cost a LOT of money.

2. I’ll lay odds that this is Duncan Keith’s last year in a Hawk uniform (see one above for the explanation).

3. Christobal Huet is the achilles heel. Many of us have been saying this for a long time. Quite simply he isn’t good enough for any team that has aspirations of being one of the elite teams in the West.

4. John Madden was an outstanding addition. Watch intently while he is on the ice and his value screams out.

5. Andrew Ladd misses Marty Havlat. A lot.

6. It takes a big man to cry…and an even bigger man to make fun of that man

7. Dad used to say laughter is the best medicine…I guess that’s why some of us died of tuberculosis

8. Just wait until Jonathan Toews gets it dialed in.

9. Hjalmarrsson is the most underrated member of the Blackhawks.

10. Jack Skille needs to go away for good.

"Cubs will win 79 to 83 games." BLou (7/21/09)

by BLou on Oct 13, 2009 7:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And why

Pray tell, does Skille need to go away? He’s not a 4th line player, yet that’s where Q has him. This experience is only going to help his game, and in a few years he’s going to be solid.

by AirTrafficAJ on Oct 14, 2009 2:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dunc

Can not go anywhere. Trade Barker if you have to. They can not let the best Dman go, there is no way and they will probably do anything to keep him. If not, Stan Bowman is a moron.

jt

by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Oct 14, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Duncan Keith

In reply to Deep thoughts from BLou.
Keith is the best skater on the Hawks team and I think the best Premier Defenseman in the league. To loose him would be a travesty, a damn travesty. Can’t happen.
Madden is amazing, totally a tremendous addition to the team.
Hjammer is great. My brother likes to say the same thing about him. 3rd best defensive player on the team.
It will be sad to see Versteeg leave, but I agree he might not be around next year.
Toews is already playing well, just no points, but contributing all the same.

by Puckpowwow.com on Oct 13, 2009 7:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree on all but...

Versteeg comment. Unles we move him, I thought he was now locked up for three years based on Tallon’s UFA “screw-up”.

I’ve read enough to defer to others’ vast knowledge of these matters, but that was how I understood it.

No Dunc, no Cup.

by cliffkoroll on Oct 14, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This should cheer everbody up...

…and I’m pretty sure everyone will agree that Buffalo 6-Detroit 2 is a beautiful final score. Now 5 points up on the Wings, let’s beat the Oilers and make it 7.

It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!

by hawks61 on Oct 13, 2009 9:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Shit!

Forgot about their win Saturday against the Capitals. Still 3 points up on the Wings, let’s beat the Oilers and make it 5. There that’s better!

It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!

by hawks61 on Oct 13, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Addition fail

Stick tap though for mentioning Ozzy getting his less then stellar ass chased out of a game. It happens. I find his comments post game to be very interesting talking about how they can usually stay in any game, even when they are tired, because of their system and ability to play D. There’s food for thought from a guy who plays his best goaltending at a time of year when the last teams standing play very tight, defensive minded game plans.

Anyone catch the intro in the Flames Jackets game tonight? Very entertaining. I’ve always thought Phaneuf was an oozing genital sore, but for some reason I have come to hate the rest of the team as well. Guess it’s the stink of Keenan still hanging on them.

by NKLHD on Oct 13, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

5 games is too soon?

Savard only got 4 last year

Praise Him!!

by Hawk is God on Oct 14, 2009 6:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Goalies, etc

I havn’t posted for a while, but I have read the posts and most of you need to enjoy the games more and stoop waiting to get hit in the head by the sky.

Aaaaaaaaaanyway, here you go.

Huet needs either needs to play all the time or never. He will should get on a roll, but if he doesn’t, he needs a good tweezer for the bench. Anti-Huet is not a kid, neither is Crawford. The Hawks are hosed in the net, so keep the puck away from the goalies with defensive play. Isn’t that what Q has a reputation for?

Jack Skille is not a 4th line player? Datsyuk and Zetterberg came to the NHL and played 3rd and 4th line. He nees to play where the coach puts him. If he can’t, he needs to go away.

The anwser to Cam Barker is Jordan Hendry. He is solid, has some experience, and will play D. Sit Barker for 5 games, see how he playes after that.

Toews is an absolute monster. Madden as well. Give Toews some candy once in a while and let him play with Kane.

The behind the back drop pass is the worst play you can make in your own zone. 51, if you are reading this please stop doing that.

Buff – blink

Sharp is in the top 20 in the league in scoring. If he goes down before Hossa comes back, Hawks are in big trouble.

If the only problem we have is that our goalie gives up goals when we play poor D, then I’ll see you in Grant Park come June.

"Stay thirsty my friend"

by laaarmer on Oct 14, 2009 8:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes stoop waiting

"Stay thirsty my friend"

by laaarmer on Oct 14, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

Beautifully said (or typed).

jt

by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Oct 14, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And there is you calming voice of reason. Thanks friend.

He Gone!
F*@k the Trees, Save Me!

by chisoxgirl5 on Oct 14, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reread Monday's Game Thread

…it’s funny, particulalry the doom mongering.

A few level heads kept the faith throughout. Kudos to Mike Martin in particular.

by cliffkoroll on Oct 14, 2009 8:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

At fault first, but not anymore

Hello Hawks fans, after leaving the game monday i realized i was so pissed off on how Huet played, but then realized it wasn’t all his fault. As a team they played awfull and boy we let them hear it at the end of the first. I really think that was a fluke start because watching it, it just didn’t look like they were ready. Any way I wonder if Happy will start today for the Oilers….GO hawks.. One indian under God in the visable with liberty to win and a stanley cup for all.

by redtribe14 on Oct 14, 2009 12:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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