As You Were - Blackhawks 4, Oilers 3
Well, that's a bit more like it. Tonight, as opposed to Monday, the Blackhawks decided that they were actually going to give a shit to start the first period. Funny result when that happens, isn't it? On the second shift of the game, Patrick Sharp scored on a nifty passing play from linemates Jonathan Toews and Andrew Ladd, kept together after the third period of Monday's game. While he was not credited with one on the stat sheet, an assist should go to defenseman Niklas Hjalmarsson who made an excellent play to keep the puck in the offensive zone and shuffle it to Ladd. But we're not done with Hammer just yet.
Between Hawks tallies, the Sopel/Barker experience queefed out another scoring chance for the opposition, with Andrew Cogliano scoring on a 2-on-1 as a result of a Sopel miscue, one neither he nor Barker got back in time to recitify. Starter Antti Niemi could hardly be blamed for that play, which momentarily deflated the building, as it was the Oilers first shot on net.
Later in the period, Super Nintendo Hjalmers exhibited some of his much ballyhooed hockey acumen while skating backwards along the blue line to get a shot from the middle of the ice through traffic, which resulted in Jack Skille potting his first of the year banging home the rebound. From the outset, the Hawks were heavily peppering returning would-be-savior Nikolai Khabibulin from all angles, and Nik was perfectly content to leave many a juicy rebound for the Hawks to pounce on. Glad to see Skille notch one, hopefully the Hawks will put another ten bucks on his iPass as a bonus.
Into the second, the Hawks continued their territorial dominance, as Niemi was rarely tested, and the Hawks increased the lead to 3-1 on a marker from Kris Versteeg, who banged home a centering feed from a free-wheeling Brian Campbell, who was streaking behind the Edmonton net on a delayed penalty call. It should be noted, again, that Niklas Hjalmarsson made the outlet pass to Patrick Sharp, which is what got the whole play started. Sharp would then later be awarded a penalty shot after being taken down on a partial breakaway, but was stoned in his attempt by Khabibulin. Not a surprising result, considering the shootout isn't really Sharp's forte, and Khabibulin's seen the limited moves Sharp has in that situation for the last four years. In an interview with Judd Sirott during the postgame, Sharp hinted that there may have been a playful exchange between former teammates after the shot.
Edmonton made it more interesting than it really should have been in the third, with a pair of somewhat flukey goals. The first a bad bounce off a skate in front on a centering feed from gelatinous cube Dustin Penner, which was initially ruled no-goal, but was overturned on review. Cam Barker would make amends for the earlier goal against with a power play bomb from the blue line, with Patrick Sharp providing the screen in front of Nik. After a couple of questionable penalty calls on Brian Campbell and Dave Bolland, the Hawks yielded a 5-on-3 tally (with an empty net) to Denis Grebeshkov off of a scrum in front of Niemi that realistically should have been blown dead about a half second before the puck squirted to Grebeshkov. The final horn would sound before Edmonton could mount any further of a comeback, with the Men of Four Feathers emerging victorious for the first time in regulation at the UC.
- As was noted by Sam after the Flames game, Niklas Hjalmarsson is becoming "a thing". The scoresheet will only show him as a +1 with an assist tonight, but he was a factor on the first three goals of the game, and again very defensively sound, allowing Brian Campbell to do what he is paid to do, which is be dynamic with the puck
- The "Patrick Kane is much stronger" refrain is not going away either. Having seen him three times live now, it's becoming clear that once the puck is on his tape, it's going to stay there for as long as Kaner damn well pleases.
- I, for one, am not terribly concerned with Jonathan Toews not yet denting the twine. He's doing everything else correct, and factoring in on goals, as he did on Sharp's opener. The two of them with Ladd make for a nice combination as well- big, fast, and skilled.
- Once again, the Hawks outshot their opponent by a substantial margin, this time 38-19, keeping pace with their current trend.
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Any word on Bolland?
Looked like he could barely skate off the ice at the end of the game after that shot block, hope he is alright
Lets Go Hawks!
by CubsBall2202 on Oct 15, 2009 12:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
haven't heard anything
from the news outlets yet, and I don’t think anyone asked Q about it in the postgame presser. Hope he’s okay — that was a crucial block in the waning seconds of the game, but at what price?
by gmh on Oct 15, 2009 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Bolland is out...
It’s trouble. We’ll see if it was just a momentary bruise though.
by Matthew Dirt on Oct 15, 2009 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It looked like a hard shot to an area that doesn’t have pads. Hopefully just a bad bruise, but even with that I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets the night off.
My goal? World domination.
by stickhandler on Oct 15, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sopel/Barker Goal
That goal was definitely on Barker. He got caught too deep and didn’t get back in time. Sopel did, pretty much, everything he could have done to stop it, but it was a nice pass over/around his stick. By my count, Barker is responsible for about 25% of the goals we have given up thus far.
Niemi looked pretty good if you ask me. First goal can’t be put on him, and as mentioned, the last two were both flukey. He made a couple big stops when it was 3-2 after going a while without receiving a real test.
Overall, I think it was a pretty good game played by the boys in red.
by DudeMcnude on Oct 15, 2009 12:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
To me it looked like Barker just stopped skating and was gliding into the play while the Oilers never gave up and skated hard to the net. If Barker had continued to skate hard towards Cogliano he maybe could have got his stick in there to break up the shot. Instead Cogliano had a pretty easy and uncontested shot.
I blame Barker for way too many of the defensive miscues thus far… this needs to change
by Matthew Dirt on Oct 15, 2009 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barker was definetely skating back at half speed on that goal
Hes been a turnover machine early on
Lets Go Hawks!
by CubsBall2202 on Oct 15, 2009 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As my buddy said to me today....
Blackawk goalies now have to different statistics. GAA and GAABI.
by DudeMcnude on Oct 15, 2009 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
taking a gander
Goals Allowed Average (when) Barker (is on the) Ice?
by gmh on Oct 15, 2009 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YEah
I must have dreamed typing the whole thing out……I could have sworn I did.
by DudeMcnude on Oct 15, 2009 2:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is it
That Sopel brings to the table that Hendry couldn’t provide at a cheaper (and younger) price?
by AirTrafficAJ on Oct 15, 2009 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have Sopel...
than Barker out there right now
by Matthew Dirt on Oct 15, 2009 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I second...
…that emotion The only thing Barker has going right now is his slapper, which even that he soured me on by slapping at defenders 4 times in a row on that 5 on 3. And I am pretty sure Sopel snapped a guys leg in half with his slapper tonight. So the power is there.
I am not in love with Sopel, but I for sure think he gets way to rough of a ride around here. He is Big Country Mach 2.
by DudeMcnude on Oct 15, 2009 2:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon
Sopel looks like a stiff out there. He’s hesitant to pinch in the zone, he can’t wind up fully to take a slap shot, he seems very unsure of himself. Whereas Barker, who may be playing with his head up his ass, does have a GWG and another important one on top of that.
by cubs22 on Oct 15, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he needs to have goals, because he’s on the ice for so many GA. Is playing defense what you call “stiff”? Maybe he’s a little hesitant because offense is not his strong suit. He’s trying not to get caught flatfooted like Barker does constantly.
by The Admiral on Oct 15, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems to me
That Sopel just looks too slow right now. I would have thought Jordan Hendry would have provided the same defense at a fraction of the cost with a bit faster performance.
by AirTrafficAJ on Oct 15, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be a good way to turn around what I said and help your argument, but being at the game last night it seriously looked like Sopel had a 45 pound weight strapped to his back when he would lean down to get a puck. He does not look like an athlete, I think it is completely unfortunate that Tallon gave this guy the contract that he did, he seems like he will be more of a liability than an asset.
by cubs22 on Oct 15, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get how I manipulated your words? I just asked a simple question. I agree that the contract sucks. However, anyone who plays in the NHL is an athlete (even Kyle Wellwood). I’d rather have Sopel than Hendry
by The Admiral on Oct 15, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, confused your question for sarcasm. It just kills me that this guys contract is out there and we have to worry about signing the Big 3 at the end of the year. If it came strictly down to who I want on the ice Hendry or Sopel, maybe Sopel would be the better candidate. Then again, I haven’t seen Hendry play yet this year.
by cubs22 on Oct 15, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barker
Could be trade bait. What’s wrong with Hendry?
by AirTrafficAJ on Oct 15, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with Hendry is that he keeps sighing players to long-term contracts. He also should have known better with Milton Bradley.
by The Admiral on Oct 15, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The hilarity
of Milton Bradly will go on in my heart forever. I’m no Karnak, but I can smell disaster when I see it.
Now onto the point about JORDAN Hendry…
by AirTrafficAJ on Oct 16, 2009 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gotta get his value up
otherwise nobody will take him off the Hawks’ hands for the final year of his contract.
FifthFeather.com
by El Duque's Raft on Oct 15, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Backstage Nickelback passes
That and he does a good job of blocking shots, getting in passing lanes around the net, and standing guys up. I would still guess after missing a full year he is not into a rhythm yet at all. More than once last night I heard the mouth breathers behind us stop yelling “shoot it” long enough to call Sopel “a traffic cone everyone skates around” immediately after he would stand a guy up at the circle and stop a rush – no one skating around him, and a Hawk ending up with the puck. As long as he does stuff like that and doesn’t fuck up too much I’m happy. Barker has been hanging him and everyone else out 2 or 3 times a game at least.
by runningquicklynowhere on Oct 15, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The first goal
I saw it a little differently. I was at the game and haven’t see the highlights so correct me if I’m wrong.
Ladd was flailing around in the neutral zone like a bat out of hell and he and Barker collided, which was why Barker didn’t get back in time. I’m not ripping on Ladd, he is a beast defensively, and last night he was sick in the neutral zone, but I think barker may have been able to get back had that not happened.
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
by hackerar on Oct 15, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just checked the replay..
Ladd crashes into someone but it’s not Barker. Instead you see Barker skating toward the net but stops moving his legs and glides in behind Cogliano. He may have still been out of reach no matter how hard Barker skated but I’d still like to see the full effort
by Matthew Dirt on Oct 15, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah you're right
ladd must have collided with sharp or toews as they were trying to apply some back pressure.
Barker was gliding up the right side. I stand corrected, damnit barker.
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
by hackerar on Oct 15, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before the season began ...
I thought Barker was due for his coming out party this year. I really thought his defensive demons were going away. I mean, I knew he’d never win a fastest skater contest, but I thought he’d enter the season with a lot of confidence and compsure.
He’s often a mess on D, no question, and the balancing act between his miscues and his cannon from the point grows slimmer by the game. I’ve always supported him, but he’s gotta get on track. Still, though, there’s no other option for the point on the PP that’s comparable to him right now, no one.
by ChicoMaki on Oct 15, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it was a nice pass
It went under sopels stick. If he would have gotten it flat on the ice he would have broken up the play but at least he hustled back and gave the effort. Can’t stop em all.
They brought their fuckin' TOYS with 'em!
by ZootSuitZombie on Oct 15, 2009 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skille
Played like a mad man tonight. He brought the energy that we are missing from Eager and Burish. Every time he was out there, he skated his ass off, got right in Bulin’s grill after any shot, and put one away. Good to see out of the kid finally.
by cubs22 on Oct 15, 2009 1:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
thoughts
1. Campbell also had a really strong game; he made a few good defensive plays down low and then chipped in that awesome assist. McClure, I think you’re right in that Hjalphabet and Campbell sort of feed off each other, and if one has a strong game, the other one usually does as well.
2. Brouwer dislodged the glass for the second game in a row. And then he had that glorious scoring chance after weaving past two Oilers, but decided to shoot right at Khabby’s pads. Oh well, keep destroying things, dude.
3. The only thing I’m worried about going into tomorrow night’s game is the health status of Bolland. Thank god the Preds have the worst offense in the league and close-to-worst special teams, otherwise I’d be downright fretting.
4. How frighteningly good is this team’s puck possession? I mean, the Oilers’ lack of two-way forwards may have contributed to the skewage tonight, but daaamn. I keep saying this, but the offense is going to be downright illmatic when Hossa joins the lineup.
by gmh on Oct 15, 2009 1:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Illmatic
should be the new theme for this team
by Matthew Dirt on Oct 15, 2009 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"When I attack, there ain't an army that could strike back"
by gmh on Oct 15, 2009 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whose world is this?
It’s mine, it’s mine, it’s mine
by Matthew Dirt on Oct 15, 2009 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
kaner + nihilism = "life's a bitch"?
I woke up early on my born day, I’m twenty years of blessing
The essence of adolescent leaves my body now I’m fresh’n
My physical frame is celebrated cause I made it
One quarter through life some godly like thing created
by gmh on Oct 15, 2009 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't last year have been Illmatic
And this year Stillmatic?
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Oct 15, 2009 2:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
let's be postive, here.
Stillmatic wasn’t as good as Illmatic.
by gmh on Oct 15, 2009 2:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best Rap Album of the 09's hands down.

Proudly flying the Blackhawk banner in the City of Detroit
by The_Fat_Guy on Oct 15, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hands Down
36 Chambers of Death……another album doesn’t stand a chance.
by DudeMcnude on Oct 15, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm partial to
Liquid Swords, myself, but Enter the Wu-Tang is definitely up there.
by gmh on Oct 15, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just remembered
We get Hossa back in a month. God, this team is sick. If we can remain at the top(which we technically are right now…enjoy it now just in case) or near the top by the time he comes in, we will be in phenomenal shape.
by DudeMcnude on Oct 15, 2009 2:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it possible...
Barker’s poor play could be a result of being matched up with Sopel? Last year when Barker was with Walker, it was clearly established that Barker would have to race for pucks and be the less physical of the two. I think Sopel and Barker are too similar to be a good fit together. Barker needs to be with someone that will provide the hard checks and shove goal screeners. He has some speed, but it’s like he’s waiting for Sopel to get the puck because Sopel’s the vet.
by Sportsgal on Oct 15, 2009 8:27 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
im still
trying to figure out what it is that Sopel does well anymore. At least Barker is living up to his offensive capabilities. He has an absolute cannon. What does Sopel have anymore other than his constantly developing mullet?? he could have a GREAT head of hair if he wanted…
"...can i have a glass of whiskey and a slice of bread?"
by west_fulton on Oct 15, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chalk him up in the "inches per month" column
Bring back the Swamp Thing!
"Call Detroit, tell dem... BULLSHIT!"
by Hungryhawk on Oct 15, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in all fairness to sopel
he is actually pretty good at blocking shots. On one of the PK’s yesterday i counted 3 blocked shots on a shift and he still kept his feet, which is more than i can say for some of the edm guys. I’ve never seen a team take such abuse taking slap shots to the body. I can’t remember who took the shot but the hawk player skated like 15 feet up to puck and absolutely drilled it right in to an oiler.
by SLoop on Oct 15, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seebs, I believe...
…I thought he crippled #91 twice.
by cliffkoroll on Oct 15, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How
Could Barker skating back half assed and not moving his legs at all possibly be Sopel’s fault?
by runningquicklynowhere on Oct 15, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You annoy me.
Where, exactly, did a say Sopel is directly responsible for Barker not skating quickly?
Yes, not chasing after the puck at full speed is completely on Barker, but if you think your partner has a shot to catch up to him would you also try to skate after the guy at full speed?
Barker was matched up with a defenseman that has a different style of play than Sopel and played much better than he is now. I’m not blaming Sopel for Barker playing like shit, I’m saying maybe the two of them together aren’t a good defensive match. Campbell had the same issue last year until they partnered him up with Hammer.
by Sportsgal on Oct 15, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Make that 2 people that annoy you.
Whether Sopel is successful in covering his man or not, that’s no excuse for Barker being a step and a half behind the open forward driving to the net. I sat by “runningquicklynowhere” last night and he’s a knowledgable fan that’s not nearly as annoying as you think he is. If you think he’s annoying you should have heard the guy sitting next to us yelling at McD for not putting review replay on the jumbotron(Hah!). They are not as similar as you think, Barker with the hard shot from blue line and Sopel with an uncanny ability to block shots is just one example of what one player can do better than the other. It was hard to judge the PK last night considering that no penalties were called for the first half of the game.
Victim was found murdered by a Chelsea Dagger.
by pucknut on Oct 15, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh for fuck's sake.
For a knowledgable fan, he sure as hell doesn’t know how to comprehend the written word. For the millionth fucking time I’M NOT BLAMING SOPEL FOR BARKER NOT SKATING. I’m saying maybe the pairing isn’t working well and this might be some of the reason Barker has had a huge decline from last year.
by Sportsgal on Oct 15, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HUGE DECLINE
What? He’s got 2G-2A-0PIM, and we’re only 6 games into the season. He stepped up his D for the playoffs, but he was suspect last year with leaving his partner out to dry.
Also, are you blaming Sopel for Barker not skating?
by The Admiral on Oct 15, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huge decline on the defensive side
“huge” is an exaggeration. I probably should have said “noticeable” decline.
And go fuck yourself.
by Sportsgal on Oct 15, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll accept huge...
…the guy has been a sieve on D this year.
It seems perfectly reasonable, even obvious, to point out that when you skate with better teammates, you look better. Point to SportsGal.
10 minute misconduct for the closing sentence though.
by cliffkoroll on Oct 15, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow!
I forgot that Sportsgal only drops F-bombs on-line and not at the games because that would be “noticeably” annoying. Let’s hope that Mayor Madden has a “huge” game against the Preds tonight.
Victim was found murdered by a Chelsea Dagger.
by pucknut on Oct 15, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
another season, another round of Sportsgal telling anyone and everyone to go fuck themselves. I guess some things will never change.
by runningquicklynowhere on Oct 15, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that one was a nice fuck yourself, I think. There are nice ones of those.
by ChicoMaki on Oct 15, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a good sign if all we’re worried about is our #5 and #6 defensemen. These are the first couple of games they’ve played together, so hopefully they can learn to play better together as the season progresses.
I don’t see any of the other defensive lines switched up. Maybe you could switch Barker and Seabrook, but I wouldn’t do it. I think what you have to hope is that the two will play better as the season goes on, and if a move comes up that can be made, maybe you pull the trigger. At least it isn’t Matt Walker.
by warrenjm2006 on Oct 15, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunc and Barker?
A. You hate to break up the studs (who, judging by six games, now apparently literally share a single brain like the spooky Sedins.)
2. But…cast your mind back two years. Seebs was a ton of potential with his head up his ass. Now, he’s on track to become Keith with size and a slapshot (ok, not quite the legs, but the transformation is amazing.)
Is it too late for Barker to learn how to play D? We may find out if the Hawks try out this pairing.
3. With 2, 4, or 7 out there at all times, I would not age so quickly.
by cliffkoroll on Oct 15, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pucknut...
Poor bastard has the misfortune of sitting next to my bro at home games.
by runningquicklynowhere on Oct 15, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hammer would be great with anyone
Sure if Hammer is paired with barker you’ll see an improvement in barker’s game. Hammer could skate with any of the other five defensemen and each defenseman’s game would be either improved (campbell, sopel, barker) or stay solid (keith, seabs).
I think the campbell hammer pairing has to stay as is. Campbell really plays well with Hammer at his side, and better to have 2 solid pairings and 1 shaky pairing (current scenario) than 1 solid pairing and 2 mediocre pairings.
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
by hackerar on Oct 15, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Campbell Hammer pairing...
is way better than I thought it would be to start the season. Both players are playing with confidence right now. I agree with hackerar keep the pairings as they are. It seems to be a trend that the Hawks are outshooting opponents by a huge margin. Until they start giving up 35-40 shots a game and we can really see which of the two netminders is more hungry than the other one you have to let the d-men keep doing their thing.
Victim was found murdered by a Chelsea Dagger.
by pucknut on Oct 15, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we started to see this last spring
Once Q switched from Campbell Walker to Campbell Hammer, you really started to see Campbell get back on track.
Campbell was arguably our best all around defenseman in the playoffs and I attribute much of this to his pairing with Hammer.
Time will tell if Barker is going to remain part of the core of this team moving forward. Maybe he does need a different partner to reach his true potential and maybe hendry could be that guy, who knows.
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
by hackerar on Oct 15, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On Barker
I think much of the talk today is due to the fact that the team as a whole is playing so amazingly. It becomes easier to point the finger at Barker when there is no where else to point it. Since Huet didn’t start it becomes hard to find a bad thing about last nights game except that more of our shots didn’t hit the back of the net. A bit of a concern of mine.
Oh, and Keith was our best all around defenseman in the playoffs and all year. He is probably a faster skater too. Watching his quick feet is quite a show.
by Puckpowwow.com on Oct 15, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need to pool our funds to buy you a new TV
Keith was a mess in the playoffs. Seabrook, Campbell, and likely even Hjalmarsson were better.
Cam Barker is |bad| (absolute bad) right now, not just bad relative to his exceptionally performing teammates.
www.secondcityhockey.com
It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.
by McClure on Oct 15, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
campbell
I was pretty tough on him last year, not like booing when he touched the puck, mouth breathing campbell blind hatred tough, but the pinnacle of my campbell irritation occured during his -3 game in boston. However, soup has been dynamite since hammer has stepped in, I love watching that pairing.
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
by hackerar on Oct 15, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do I feel compelled to comment...
…that Keith in the post-season seemed about 75%, while Campbell played at 125% of his season-long level. This created the illusion that Campbell outplayed Keith in the playoffs.
From what I saw, this translated to Campbell’s playoff being almost as good as Keith’s.
I acknowledge that Seebs was probably our #1 d-man in the post-season though.
I spewed compelling, unanswerable arguments on the subject at the time, and I am now content to merely state this as historical fact.
by cliffkoroll on Oct 15, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Campbell or Skille
are the faster skaters. It’s easy to blame Barker because he’s been dreadful on D
by The Admiral on Oct 15, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure Barker is faster than Keith. I’m not 100%, but from what I’ve seen, he is
by The Admiral on Oct 15, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe in a 60-second drill...
…though I sincerely doubt this as weel, but during a hockey game, Barker moves about half-speed compared to Dunc.
by cliffkoroll on Oct 15, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he meant campbell
Well, I hope he meant campbell
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
by hackerar on Oct 15, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a floor wax. No, it's a dessert topping.
Methinks you put your finger on it.
Barker has nice size, a quick-release cannon, some big hits already this year, and he’s still young enough that he may yet learn how to play defense.
Sopel is limited but gritty. Someone’s gotta be your #6 d-man, and IMO, he’s a step-up from Walker. On a still very young team, he also brings whiskers. From what I recall of Hendry, the difference he might make v. Sopel would not be detectable at the team level.
It’s the combination that gives me a tummyache, but what are ya gonna do? Putting Barker with SuperNintendo looks ok, but Campbell/Sopel has a swiss cheesy smell to it.
by cliffkoroll on Oct 15, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
may Barker should develop HIS game?
ever think of that? Maybe he should take the initiative to cover his zone, and stop cheating up all the time. His wanting to jump into every play leads to these odd-man rushes. He needs to understand that he has to stay back sometimes, unless a winger drops back to cover the point. This is Hockey 101
by The Admiral on Oct 15, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that is far too much to ask from someone who was the #3 overall pick. Such unreasonable demands.
www.secondcityhockey.com
It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.
by McClure on Oct 15, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t it also far too much to ask the same of our $7.1MM Dman?
by Return of the Roar on Oct 15, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
since last spring
he has come pretty close, and he has been fine this year thus far. I too was hard on him in the middle of last year, but I think he has come around defensively.
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
by hackerar on Oct 15, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that is what you are trying to say then fucking saying it. Its like you don’t type your complete thought out and leave it open to interpretation, then you bitch when someone misinterprets you. Maybe if you said what was on your mind the first time completely and coherently it would save everyone time.
As far as annoying you, honestly I could give a rats ass.
by runningquicklynowhere on Oct 15, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK now
Everyone calm down a little bit… Lets all focus our hatred outwards – not inwards
by Matthew Dirt on Oct 15, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we go on like this, the Predators will have already won!
by cliffkoroll on Oct 15, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
2 minutes hate time

Let it all out.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Oct 15, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct sir. I apologize for the transgression
I should not have replied. Feel free to delete the crap I posted above.
by runningquicklynowhere on Oct 15, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have looked for news on Bolland
and I can’t find anything. I guess this could be a good thing though. Hopefully it just caught him between the pads and he was able to shake it off.
Lets go Hawks! Detroit Sucks!
by TimG58 on Oct 15, 2009 9:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sopel
I didnt get to watch the third period, but I thought Sopel played a solid game through two periods. He won battles in the corner, was effective at clearing the zone / dumping the puck in, and the only thing I would fault him on is his TERRIBLE shooting accuracy. I know everyone here hates his contract, therefore he is lambasted and ridiculed more than he deserves. Not everyone on a team is gonna be a Keith or Seabrook. If it wasnt for the contract, I’m sure he wouldnt take as much flak as he does. We should pity him for having Cam’ron Turnover as his D partner
Oh, and I cant say enough how great Hammer’s D positioning is. If you added 20lbs to him, he’d be Robyn Regehr. They play a similar style
by The Admiral on Oct 15, 2009 9:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I've been pleasantly surprised
Yeah the contract sucks, but for a #5/#6 D-man, you could do worse. He’s blocking a lot of shots and hasn’t looked painfully slow too many times. Not that I want him playing 20 minutes a night, but right now, Barker is the weak link on the D.
My goal? World domination.
by stickhandler on Oct 15, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he probably doesnt deserve
the beating that myself and many others have been giving him. i think we are all upset about barkers complete lack of playing anything resembling good defense and sopel is a damn easy scapegoat. that said, i dont know what the solution is. barks isnt going anywhere and is killing it with that shot and matt walker is in tampa bay making sure nobody touches lacavlier or stamkos…. sopel—> scapegoat for barkers bad D and a good almost great head of hair. end.
"...can i have a glass of whiskey and a slice of bread?"
by west_fulton on Oct 15, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like how hilariously slow Sopel is...
so it is amusing that he somewhat makes up for his lack of speed with blocked shots and holding guys against the boards, although there is only so much you can do to counteract those wheels if you aren’t 6’8" like Hal “The Glacier” Gill
by Canseco's Roid Party on Oct 15, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just out of curiosity...
Has anyone tried using the trap against us? I haven’t been able to see all the games (thank you Comcast/VS/DirecTV/Satanic Minions) so I don’t know what kind of defensive scheme all the teams have used against us. But since we had a few troubles with the slowdown game last year (thank you Minnesota and Vancouver) I was just wondering what could get in the way of our 30+ shots a game approach.
And yeah, Barker’s killing me right now! If he goes without a point for a couple games or goes minus 6, Q should sit him a game or two. I’m guessing his shot is what’s keeping him in on the ice right now.
by Preacher000 on Oct 15, 2009 9:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Avs trapped it up for most of the 3rd period in the opener-
it worked fairly well but we had a few chances and they barely got the puck in their zone- unlikely that it would work very well for a full game
by Canseco's Roid Party on Oct 15, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The trap is designed to keep teams out of the offensive zone. Against this team, even if you make it more difficult for them to gain the blue line, once they’re in the zone, the puck possession game the Hawks are playing is devastating.
I think the trap might slow them a bit, but I’m not sure what you sacrifice on the offensive end is worth the defensive gains you might make.
by Dr. Ice on Oct 15, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did I see correctly
That the Hawks made it well into the third period before taking a penalty? The puck control looked awesome and with our netminding that’s prolly how it needs to be. From what I saw, that final score made the game look much closer than it was. This early in the season it’s hard to say how big a win this was and how good the competition really is, but I definitely liked what I saw and it’s nice to be where we are in the standings.
by NKLHD on Oct 15, 2009 9:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You weren't alone
Pat Quinn – “The score was very flattering for us.” I thought the game had a very nice flow to it with very few penalties (at least through the first 2) and long stretches of play without a whistle. Edmonton is another fast skating team, but it was an extremely satisfying experience to watch us play 3 full periods of puck for a change.
"Call Detroit, tell dem... BULLSHIT!"
by Hungryhawk on Oct 15, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hammer RFA
Hammer is a serious jersey candidate for me, but I’m a little concerned about his RFA status after this season.
What do you think it will take to keep him on?
I mean Barker makes 3 mil a year (granted big shot, gets power play time, and was a 1st round pick), but it is obvious to many that Hammer is more valuable than Barker.
Could we get Hammer at like 2 mil a year for 3 or 4 years? I would hope Bowman would figure out a way to sign Hammer even if it means trading Barker.
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
by hackerar on Oct 15, 2009 10:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If he continues to get such little press, we can get him for cheap. This also depends on how many points he puts up. Maybe it’s good he didnt get an official assist.
by The Admiral on Oct 15, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well he did get 1
on skille’s goal.
His shot is really getting better and he seems to be more comfortable with ripping one from the point than he was last year.
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
by hackerar on Oct 15, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just as Dunc can't command Soupy's salary
…Hammer can’t get Barker money.
Baffling to me how the NHL undervalues pure defensive acumen.
by cliffkoroll on Oct 15, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
although if you are a physical D-man who fights
then the Leafs will overpay you massively, no matter the quality of your actual defensive game. Many teams seem to like “defensive” D-men who are mediocre at defense except for some old-school view where hitting is all that matters. While many awesome defenders are great hitters (ex. stevens, pronger,chara) that in no way means that being a great hitter is why they are a good defensive player- it’s one part of the package, and in no way makes up for being slow as shit in today’s NHL. This is self-evident after you watch Matt Walker. He’s worth League Minimum salary yet TB paid him 1.7MM for four years.
Are there any guys similar to Hjalmarsson who are undervalued by other teams?? Would be great if we could pick one up in trade.
by Canseco's Roid Party on Oct 15, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soupy can’t even command (justify) his salary.
by Return of the Roar on Oct 15, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn’t have to, Tallon did. It’s not the player’s obligation to justify the salary after the fact. Campbell is as good, maybe better, than he was before he signed the deal.
by Dr. Ice on Oct 15, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 on 2 Pond Hockey
Dunc and SuperNintendo v. Campbell and Barker.
It’s a massacre.
But in the NHL, the latter make twice what the former make.
Don’t get me wrong- I love having all four all four of these guys (even the much-abused suckhead Barker, who, to be fair, could well top 20 goals this year), and understand their roles, but the economics is whacked.
Where is hockey’s Billy Beane?
by cliffkoroll on Oct 15, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His name is Ken Holland.
www.secondcityhockey.com
It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.
by McClure on Oct 15, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
EXCUSE ME??
A player does not have to justify his salary?? It’s the GM’s fault he got paid that much??
Two parties sign a deal. One hopes the other lives up to the terms of that deal.
To accept the money without a proportional effort in return is at worst, theft, and at least insincere to me.
I am just appalled at times with the amount of fanboy apologism some people are willing to extend to people like 51 and now 39, whose combined salaries represent 25% or more of the cap allowance, and regularly and routinely underperform, and may well prevent signing the people who do deserve larger contracts – like Keith.
by Return of the Roar on Oct 15, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's what the market will dictate
Not everyone on the roster can be a total steal. Players know their value. Blame the owners dating back to the point when players stopped getting treated like indentured servants, but this is the current state of the economics of the game.
Both Campbell and Huet are being paid market value for their career averages for what they do. Both held that trend last year, as aggravating as it may have been for you to watch. Campbell tied his career high in points last year for fuck’s sake. Do we really need to have this discussion again. They’re not going anywhere.
Campbell’s doing his job right now. He was never going to be Scott Stevens in his own end. Deal with it.
Huet does need to improve right now, everyone knows that. If he remains to be this big a pile of crap, then it’s a big problem for the Hawks. But it’s 6 games into the season, and his career numbers show that he should be given the opportunity to right the ship.
There’s a difference between fanboy apologism and keeping perspective on what is a LONG ASS SEASON. Screaming meatballery and calling for people’s head’s is just as insufferable on the other end of the spectrum. Take that into consideration.
www.secondcityhockey.com
It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.
by McClure on Oct 15, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
meatballery
may be my new word for the decade.
by AirTrafficAJ on Oct 16, 2009 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Jesus Christ. What’s appalling is how often people assume Campbell was brought in as our future potential Norris candidate. His lack of proportional effort? What the hell is proportional effort? You think he’s been lobbying for cots behind the bench so he can take naps between shifts?
So he should have told Tallon, Yes, thanks, I’d love to come to Chicago, but please, don’t offer me that much, you can have me for 5 million per.
He’s exactly the player we wanted and went after. I’d argue that since the playoffs last year, in fact, he’s been more.
by ChicoMaki on Oct 15, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
… and then the other stuff, what McClure just said, which is nicer.
by ChicoMaki on Oct 15, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did that once
My boss said to me “Mike, I think you’ll work hard, so I’m going to pay you $100k a year.”
I stopped him and said “Sorry, but I’ll only do $24.5k worth of work a year, so you should pay me accordingly.”
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Oct 15, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's precisely..
why i don’t have a job anymore
by Matthew Dirt on Oct 15, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Burrish
I read on the injury report that Burrish possible come back is March??? I thought it would be earlier. Thank God for Depth. Also There was no word on Bolland being injured.
And why does Nashville Have a Hockey team. Do people there even understand hockey or do they think that its a preshow prior to monster truck.
by redtribe14 on Oct 15, 2009 10:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Really?
www.secondcityhockey.com
It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.
by McClure on Oct 15, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This feels like telling my kid there's no Santa Claus, but...
…is there a roster spot for Burrish? Looking a little musical-chairish.
Of 12 forward spots, nine are defintiely spoken for (Toews, Kane, Sharp, Bolland, Madden, Ladd, Hossa, Buff, Versteeg).
Who gets the last three spots from among Brouwer, Kopecky, Skille, Eager, Burrish, Frasier?
I’d put ‘em in the order listed, which means bad news for Eager, Burrish, and Frasier (last year’s fourth line.)
by cliffkoroll on Oct 15, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming Burish comes back as scheduled, I’d pick Fraser as the odd man out.
www.secondcityhockey.com
It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.
by McClure on Oct 15, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't that still leave us with 14 forwards?
Who else goes under the bus to make from for Burrish? Skille and Eager?
by cliffkoroll on Oct 15, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skille seems likely. Past that, it gets tough. We’ll run over that kitten when we get to it, though.
www.secondcityhockey.com
It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.
by McClure on Oct 15, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like they'd have to
When eager and hossa come back, brouwer moves to the third line (pre burish return).
If they don’t move kopecky to center and keep him with the big club, who is going to perform the essential functions of being Hossa’s roommate, you know, turning a night light on for him, serving him breakfast in bed, carrying his bags, reading him a bed time story in the slovak tongue? This is serious stuff.
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
by hackerar on Oct 15, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a long time away
We probably shouldnt even speculate. Lot’s of unforseen things will happen in the meantime.
by The Admiral on Oct 15, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's true
but I was just answering the question
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
by hackerar on Oct 15, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct sir...
…but for some reason I can’t help stirring the shit here at the prospect of everyone’s favorite Blackhawk maybe not having a seat on the bus. This place’ll go apeshit if and when the day comes, but I recokon it’s best to leave the cares of tomorrow ’til then.
by cliffkoroll on Oct 15, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except
He’s the only center in the bunch. Although I think I’ve seen Kopecky played at center some, but still, it’s not his natural position.
My goal? World domination.
by stickhandler on Oct 15, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best defense is a good O-ffense...
The defensive pairings as they are now are good if not great, Our D have to be leading the league in scoring. What can you say about Seabrook and Keith, is there a better pairing in the league..NOT EVEN CLOSE!! Soup and Hammer are good I think it allows Soup to skate more because Hammer is strong defensively. Barker and Sopel..well I call it a work in progress Barker has shown flashes of what he could be (He was very strong at the end of last season and in the playoffs) Sopel is coming back from missing almost an entire season, so I will give him a little more time before I really get after him.
by Bargeman68 on Oct 15, 2009 10:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Write Up
Intelligent and very funny. First, I blew milk out my nose, then I peed my pants, then (yes) I shat myself laughing.
Bravo!
They look like last year’s team, only better, except the goaltending which is a bit worse (no question who the best goalie on the ice was last night. I don’t think Khabby played five games that good last year, the jerk.)
The antitode to guh netminding is puck posession. Don’t have stats to hand, but they gotta lead the league here. Last night was domination.
I suppose we might have expected this trajectory from such a young team, but I didn’t dare.
Twelve different guys have scored in six games, none of whom have a C or 34 goals last year. Yikes!
by cliffkoroll on Oct 15, 2009 10:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Puck Possesion
That’s how Detroit dominates with Osgood (although he’s better than Huet)
by The Admiral on Oct 15, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And $3.5 mil cheaper
But you’re right, the Hawks puck possession ability will win a lot of games. They’re just likely to be a lot of 4-3 and 6-5 games as we’ve seen.
My goal? World domination.
by stickhandler on Oct 15, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...and...
they don’t appear to have missed a beat with the loss of JHC.
If only they made a move to replace him with a proven, veteran scorer, a sad panda if you will, they’d be poised to win the Cup.
by cliffkoroll on Oct 15, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm w/you there...
…but who was available during the off season? gaborik? i hope he stays healthy for the rangers, i’ve always liked his skills…for the 20 games a year he would play and he did go on a tear when he came back @ the end of last season. most folks hear didn’t want a deal for dany h. and now the experts think joe thorton could have 90-100 assists this year. i asked a few of the sports writers around town what was more important, getting an elite scorer or a tough defenseman and they all said shore up the d. i didn’t understand why. even w/the early defensive lapses and madden’s strong play, i still think they should have grabbed another goal scorer.
...i was nominated for the nobel prize for science b/c i have good chemistry w/my neighbors!
by EdisonParkVinnie on Oct 15, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sarcasm, Vincenzo
You’re my Raygun guy, but think about what cliff wrote for just a second.
www.secondcityhockey.com
It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.
by McClure on Oct 15, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh shit...
…please delete my previous comment…i gotta lay off the 3rd cup of coffee.
...i was nominated for the nobel prize for science b/c i have good chemistry w/my neighbors!
by EdisonParkVinnie on Oct 15, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
west coast and canadian trip
I am worried about our west cost and canadian trip, again i think that will be a great test.
by redtribe14 on Oct 15, 2009 10:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i can appreciate you looking ahead but...
…that’s like a month away…they gonna smooth out the rough spots by then (linemates solidified, eager back?, defense gets stonger defensively) so i’ll be captain obvious and say “lots of hockey left, kids”.
...i was nominated for the nobel prize for science b/c i have good chemistry w/my neighbors!
by EdisonParkVinnie on Oct 15, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it is early but...
The Hawks are tied for the lead in the conference and the Scum are 13th 5pts behind…hopefully a glimpse into the future of where things are going…we are tied with the Av’s maybe we should have kept Anderson?
by Bargeman68 on Oct 15, 2009 11:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anderson is solid now,
although don’t know if he was legitimately worth keeping several years back- didnt live in Chicago or really watch hockey yet—
Florida seems to be turning out many good goaltenders, wonder if there is something to it?
by Canseco's Roid Party on Oct 15, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They get plenty of practice stopping shots.
Proudly flying the Blackhawk banner in the City of Detroit
by The_Fat_Guy on Oct 15, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nashville
I havent seen Nashville play this year, do they look good?? should we worry?
by redtribe14 on Oct 15, 2009 11:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty terrible so far
Pitiful offense and giving up tons of the goals the last 2 games. That said, they seemed to own the Hawks in Nashville last season. If they’ve got any guts, they should come out with a strong effort tonight after their last 2 beatings.
My goal? World domination.
by stickhandler on Oct 15, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lookin alot like the red wings
funny..but watching the last couple of games don’t we resemble the redwings a little. with the puck movement and the shots from the blue line. it’s a little erie. but i love it! All this and no Hossa Burish and Ben "Urlacher"junior
by redtribe14 on Oct 15, 2009 12:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I had the same thought
and hate myself for having it. On the scum blog they have talked that way a few times too and I just hope that if we continue to play well, we won’t be seen imitators of “The Mighty Wings” who did everything first and best. I’d like to think that when Tallon was building this team, it was because he scouted and developed a vision rather than just sat at home watching scum games. With the family Bowman here, we will likely always be compared as copying rather than truly developing.
by NKLHD on Oct 15, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares if it's "copying"
As long as it results in W’s.
Speaking of copying and W’s, if you’re the guy who has that flag at every home game, please leave it the fuck at home. What you’re doing is stupid, and you’re making Hawks fans look as clownish as the majority of your Cub brethren.
www.secondcityhockey.com
It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.
by McClure on Oct 15, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry champ
Success does that in this town, it attracts the party crowd and they inevitably annoy the resident gurus who have been there for years suffering and paying the freight on a shit product. In any event, it’s not me waving the flag.
by NKLHD on Oct 15, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, you see...
…the important thing is not winning the Cup silly, it’s HOW you win it.
guh.
by cliffkoroll on Oct 15, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Winning the cup
IS the most important thing. Not sure how I went into description fail for a simple thought. If they get no props for the build but hoist the cup anyway, believe me, it’s not going to lessen the event in any way for me.
by NKLHD on Oct 15, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m struggling to see how this current team is a copy of DET past or present. Just because a pair of Bowmans draw checks from Hawk payroll and signed Hossa to a 12 yr contract? Even if the Wings had the cap room they wouldn’t sign a guy like Campbell to a market contract…nor Huet for that matter. I hope the Hawks do steal/borrow/rip-off the DET model of the past 20 years of drafting success however.
by Crease Monkey on Oct 15, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a little more like
The Hawks controlled the pace throughout the game and played with a little more urgency at the start (guess going down 5-0 12 minutes in the previous game had something to do with it) culminating into a very solid 60 minute effort.
Niklas Hjalmarsson is really turning out to be like another Niklas…Kronwall that is. Very steady, dependable, and has very good instincts when it comes to pinching at the blueline and when to be aggressive within his own zone. Last night Hjalmarsson made some key plays that resulted in Hawks goals and was by far the star of the night.
His defence partner wasn’t and not by a longshot. Could someone please tell Campbell that jumping into the play or pinching in down low really isn’t necessary when the Hawks have a 3-1 lead late in the 3rd, and that having more of a defensive posture within the team concept subsequently is though. Loads of turnovers from Campbell and Barker last night and that must improve, but there is still a lot of time left…like 76 games left to correct these minor flaws.
Offensively, the Hawks were clicking on all cylinders with every forward playing a significant role in tonight’s success. Sharp once again continues with his (now annual) October assault with another goal and assist performance, although he needs a little work on the penalty-shot thing. Toews once again was held goalless and is now found himself in a 16-game October drought. With that said though, Toews was absolutely key in the face-off circle and is now batting over 60% at the dot. Pretty impressive. Byfuglien was a mirage in front of Khabibulin and played that physical presence that we adore him for and was an absolute force out there…hmm he must have seen that next Wednesday the Hawks are playing the Canucks, getting ready for Luongo perhaps? Ladd, Skille (nice to see him pot one), Madden, Brouwer, and Sopel (yes Sopel) all have great efforts as well.
HAWKS WIN!!! HAWKS WIN!!!
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
by hawks61 on Oct 15, 2009 12:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And now on to Niemi
Niemi looked solid and confident in goal last night and did provide some key saves at key moments highlighted by his blocker save on Horcoff late in the 3rd to preserve the score at 3-2 and was basically a game saver for the second straight game and is now 3-0 with a 1.73 GAA and a .912 SV%. Very solid indeed.
However there are some correctable errors within his game; for example, the one rebound at the end of the 2nd period when the Oilers forward shot the puck from behind the goalline and Niemi kicked out the rebound out into the slot area and was extremely lucky that nobody from the Oilers was there although Gilbert, the Oilers defenceman, picked up the puck at the blueline and fired it into his chest but was lucky nonetheless. To his defence though at least he didn’t pull a Griess and let it in.
Another error of his is that he lunges himself towards pucks at or near him and if the pucks happens to squirt away is in no position to make the save. Near the end of the first he let a rebound get away from him and he went lunging after it and totally missed it causing chaos around the Hawks crease and the same could be said for the Grabeshkov goal when he decided to go scuba diving for the puck instead of holding his position, but in all fairness to Niemi on that play it should have been blown dead but that’s the “NEW” NHL officiating standards at times.
All in all a very soild effort from Niemi who should start to receive a few more starts very soon. Some correctable errors, yet they are very minor for the most important thing is that he is confident between the pipes and the team seems to feed off that.
Huet to get the start tonight and hopefully provides the Hawks with a solid effort, for if not his job could be in jeopardy with Quenneville’s interview with TSN before the game sounding less than a vote of confidence in Huet. Huet is still the Hawks starter for now but it won’t be for much longer if he continues to not play up to his or the Hawks standards. All in all a huge start for Huet, let’s see if he can get his game back on track.
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
by hawks61 on Oct 15, 2009 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
News and notes
-Datsyuk is out for tonight ‘s game for the Wings, but they’re not saying what it is.
-Adam Munro has been recently signed by the Leafs. You might remember him posting a Shutout (the only one) during the 2005-2006 campain (the shutout was against the Flames 3-0).
-And in other injury news, Havlat left last night’s game with an undisclosed injury nothing has been confirmed just yet on how long he will be out.
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
by hawks61 on Oct 15, 2009 1:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Was looking into the Havlat thing
On Yahoo, it says that “RW Martin Havlat strained his groin early in the third period Wednesday against Anaheim. He’s day-to-day.”
Just thought I would add that.
Lets go Hawks! Detroit Sucks!
by TimG58 on Oct 15, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that didn't take long.
"Call Detroit, tell dem... BULLSHIT!"
by Hungryhawk on Oct 15, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marty
Tweeted that McDonough was responsible for his groinal issues.
by AirTrafficAJ on Oct 16, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff
Hadn’t heard anything on TSN nor Sportsnet this morning so I just posted it as an injury unknown. In any event, to echo Hungryhawks’s sentiments “Well, that didn’t take long.”
And to the Admiral I seriously doubt that he’ll post anything negative about himself on twitter, but if it was about the Hawks?…. nothing has changed with this guy, from his days in Ottawa to Chicago and now onto Minnesota nothing has changed and likely never will.
Anything on Datsyuk?
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
by hawks61 on Oct 15, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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