More From Last Night....
Since Sam already provided a nicely succinct recap of last night's game, I'll just move right along to some observations of my own that I took away from it.
- Most, if not everyone I spoke to was completely stupefied as to why Dustin Byfuglien received the lone minor during the session of slap-dick in front of the Vancouver net towards the end of the first period. Liberties were being taken on Kane, and Buff sprung forth like the burly protector he's supposed to be to his linemate's defense. Once the scrum ensued, everything was pretty equal, with shots headed both ways. This is not the first time something like this has happened in the NHL, and it had all the markings of the refs letting both sides walk away with a stern talking-to, or take someone from each team with matching minors. Vancouver scored on the resultant power play less than a minute into the second, tying the game at 1, and started to tilt the ice in their favor. Now, I'm in no way blaming this call for a Hawks loss. The way they played, they deserved the outcome they received. But the Hawks caught the business end of a bad call in this scenario.
- The Hawks powerplay is in complete disarray right now. Last season they found success in using a hybrid overload-into-an-umbrella-and-back style, which siphoned everything through the playmaker at the half-wall, allowing either Patrick Kane or Martin Havlat to dictate whether the puck was moving high to the blue line for a point shot, low for a stuff attempt, or back-door cross-ice. The latter is where Patrick Sharp found a lot of success, and eventually teams cheated toward this play.
This year, Quenneville seems intent on just working the puck high, blasting slapshots from the point, and creating traffic in front. There's nothing inherently wrong with this style, but the Hawks d-men have exhibited a very poor shooting bias to this point, which completely screws the pooch if you're going to run it that way. This has resulted in a lot of blocked shots by opposing forwards. Five-on-three, the Hawks change little, content to keep the puck on one side of the ice, and trying to get a shot from the middle of the ice at the blue line. This is flawed thinking. On a 5-on-4, a team wants to work a puck vertically- high to low, and low to high- to widen the gap between penalty killing forwards and defensemen, creating seams between them to be able to move the puck toward the middle of the ice for a shot with no shin pads in front of it. During a two man advantage, it's lateral movement, to get the goalie to have to come across his crease to make a save, because the seams will already be there due to a lack of bodies on the ice.
I'm not sure if the loss of JHC prompted this change in philosophy, or if Marian Hossa's presence will signal a return to it, but it's certainly worth trying now, because what they're doing simply is not working. - As Killion noted in the preview, I was excited to see Jordan Hendry skate last evening. I liked what he showed two seasons ago, and think he's ideally suited for the third pairing (and is certainly a more reasonably priced option to do so). Part of me also wanted to see how Cam Barker would fare with a partner who could actually move his feet as well; someone who doesn't have the skating stride of a person who desperately needs to take a massive shit. Having a more mobile, heady partner worked for Brian Campbell, why not for Barker? Hendry acquitted himself fine; if not for his newfound presence in the lineup, he would not have been noticeable on the ice, either positively or negatively- which is all you can ask of a #6 defenseman. However, as Sam noted already, it didn't have a positive effect on Cam Barker, which is not good. Cam Barker is turning into a giant, left-handed Andy Delmore- someone who is useful on a powerplay, but is a complete liability at even strength. Something needs to be done on his part, and fast.
- This dovetails into my final point, and that is a matter the matter of depth. With both Toews and Seabrook in the locker room during the waning minutes of the game, Quenneville shortened his bench considerably. Not just due to the injuries, but due to substandard play, particularly from the third defensive pairing, and the fourth line. As was just noted, Cam Barker simply cannot be out there with a game on the line, unless it's absolutely necessary. Additionally, as many of you have noted in the comments, this year's 4th line is a far cry from what was arguably the best 4th line in the league last year. Injuries are the culprit in that case, pressing skaters off the waiver wire (Radek Smolenenenananenak, Andrew Ebbett) into duty who frankly have not delivered the nastiness, speed, and relentlessness that Ben Eager and Adam Burish did, which allowed Q to roll all four lines, keeping his top players fresh, as well as creating offense from the 4th line. Tomas Kopecky has yet to provide anything of substance outside of his lone goal in Nashville, and if he ends up taking a trip on the Jack Skille Trail of Tears, that'd be just fine by me, perhaps in favor of Jake Dowell. We keep saying its early, but the Hawks' trumpeted depth is getting pushed right now, and if Toews and Seabrook miss time, and Bolland continues to fight back woes, its going to result in far more dire circumstances than the 11 out of 18 points we're seeing right now.
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Injuries are PROVING the Hawks depth
Tell me we aren’t handling all the injuries pretty well considering. Granted, if Toews & Seabs are out for awhile, that’ll be big trouble and an even greater test of the depth, but take the B’s for example. They lose Lucic & Savard and the team/community shits the bed.
by Kelly R on Oct 22, 2009 11:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the Bruins
were shitting the bed before those two got hurt. they’re in a bad way right now.
by Kevin Kujawa on Oct 22, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it that surprising?
I’m just getting back into hockey the past year or so, but the expectations seemed a little high in my opinion. No Kessel and wasn’t really sure if Tim Thomas would be capable of duplicating last season. Seems like he kinda came out of no where.
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
by Illini0509 on Oct 22, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, while the Bs are good, they ran ridiculously hot last year
Of course, as we’re finding out now, the Hawks were lucky injury-wise, and things are a lot tougher once a few top guys are on the bench for a bit.
by Canseco's Roid Party on Oct 22, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed.
that penalty on Buff was weak. that weasel looking fuck samuelson or the hair puller shouldve been in the box as well..if anyone. this made me swear at the tv loudly like a total meathead. that call paired with the high stick is pretty brutal looking back. but then again, so were the hawks for the final 30 + mins.
"...can i have a glass of whiskey and a slice of bread?"
by west_fulton on Oct 22, 2009 11:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i was watching a feed and couldn't really see everything
but it seemed like buff had his face pressed against the glass for a few seconds right in front of an official, not really sure why buff got 4 minutes for standing up for a teammate while the nucks weren’t penalized.
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
by Illini0509 on Oct 22, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he got four
for high-sticking Bieksa. the two for roughing was a different thing.
by Kevin Kujawa on Oct 22, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah, thanks
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
by Illini0509 on Oct 22, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Usually Buff gets away with a lot of shit, last night he got called on some really wild stuff.
However, I still just adore seeing him fight like 3 guys at one time and it doesn’t even seem to phase him. He’s punching one, grabbing someone elses jersey, all while just kinda standing there talking.
If I can't be a good example, I'll just be a horrible warning
by Trixietrx on Oct 22, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys....I'm seriously
Anybody else worried about the season?usually i dont overreact,but……am i overreacting this time?because i’m worried about the team and its play?Even though its still very early,and last year the hawks didn’t have 5 wins till the beginning of november……anyone worried that this team isn’t goin anywhere this season or next?
by csm on Oct 22, 2009 12:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Last night was the first game theyve been outplayed this year, it happens
I’ll be more worried if Toews misses a lot of time, it appears Seabrook’s injury isn’t nearly as bad
Lets Go Hawks!
by CubsBall2202 on Oct 22, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i am more worried about the sheer amount of
questions marks used here.
one bad night. one huge hit that took the life out of the UC. as long as toews and seabs arent seriously hurt i think that last night may end up lighting a fire under these guys for a couple beatdowns coming up at home here.
"...can i have a glass of whiskey and a slice of bread?"
by west_fulton on Oct 22, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
you’re overreacting. breathe man.. just breathe
by Matthew Dirt on Oct 22, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I vote for...
Relax and have a beer with the rest of us.
by XxMJ20xX on Oct 22, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
I’m not worried.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Oct 22, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 one goal losses...
…a couple of breaks and this team is undefeated and this is just a great big f-ing group hug.
Come back in from the ledge.
And close the damn window- it’s freezing!!
by cliffkoroll on Oct 22, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not worried
Games we have lost were close. In the midst of everything else mentioned, the Hawks are expected to deliver big this year and not by just our fan base. Last year they had the benefit of not as much pressure, at least until the end. Look at what the Avs are doing this year. They are having a ball. I rather see the Hawks struggle now and figure it out instead of having a pre playoff drop off that has everyone going WTF!
by NKLHD on Oct 23, 2009 6:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Foley? Illness? Ailment?
Anybody have any idea what Olczyk was referring to in the opening minute of the third when he was complimenting Foley on battling some sort of ailment/illness/bug? I was running in to the living room and didn’t quite catch it.
Hopefully just the flu?
I couldn’t find any information in a quick cursory look of all the write-ups and “media notes”.
by pinkpony on Oct 22, 2009 12:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thats right; I totally forgot about that incident. It seemed like a weird exchange between the two. I thought Olczyk was just opening the door for Pat to talk about it, but then Pat didn’t say anything…which made me worry.
by K_Dog on Oct 22, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Clap
He got it from Sarah Kustock.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Oct 22, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One drunken scandalous night with Pat Foley can do wonders
Sarah Kustok before Pat Foley
Sarah Kustok after Pat Foley

"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
by hackerar on Oct 22, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow! Is that what you call a “Foley Makeover”?
by K_Dog on Oct 22, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
from kuc...
Encouraging injury news for Blackhawks’ Toews, Seabrook …
""both presented well today. They progressed really well overnight so it’s encouraging in those regards" and both could play Saturday night when the Hawks take on the Nashville Predators at the United Center."
the Q has spoken. exhale.
"...can i have a glass of whiskey and a slice of bread?"
by west_fulton on Oct 22, 2009 2:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I actually just posted a fanshot
with the same thing
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
by hackerar on Oct 22, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good News...
I’ll be at that game so hopefully they’re back, healthy and ready to roll.
by XxMJ20xX on Oct 22, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great point about the fourth line
I remember being frustrated by the recklessness at times last season, but this year, I think they could do with some edge-of-crazy shit. We’re getting that from Buff, Brouwer and Ladd (at times), but it’s worrisome that they’re playing nastier than the current fourth line. They played without Burish for awhile last season, but getting Eager back should provide some instant pop for that line.
As for the third member, are we hurting for a Craig Adams-like player?
by gmh on Oct 22, 2009 2:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I know it's crazy but
how about bringing up either Bertram or Aliu? While Bertram is smallish, he plays big and has a crazy amount of puck control; he can fire a good shot from just about anywhere and loves to skate through guys. Aliu is big, strong, with great puck sense and very good speed for a big fella. Plus, he is one of ten hockey players that actually scare me.
We know that Burr is out for a long time, and Eager is still counting birdies. Our team is deep enough that I think we can afford to give one of these guys a chance while other members are out.
Occam's Razor keeps the cutting clean.
by russellguldin on Oct 22, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barker
Anybody else notice Barkers lack of intensity on the ice?Hes acting like Buff did most of last year,with a i dont give a shit attitude,or is it just me? Also props to Verseeg after the Toews hit.
by idiot man on Oct 22, 2009 7:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Last year he wasn’t fast by any means, but last game he looked like he was skating in sand.
Occam's Razor keeps the cutting clean.
by russellguldin on Oct 22, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
hey guys, its me, listen I am really sorry on some of my comments I have made in the past, I realize it wasn’t mature and I hope I can be accepted in here. Just was ticked off on some comments I guess, Brain fart or something. If not accepted then I understand. Also would like to applogize to matthew Dirt.
by redtribe14 on Oct 22, 2009 8:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Applogy exseptid.
NOW STOP IT RIGHT HERE
by mjthor on Oct 23, 2009 6:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little late but, well, had to work.
Wanted to post thoughts after attending last night. Only had 3 beers but the first thing I heard this morning was, you look tired.
My 20 month old daughter clapped and yelled through the anthem. Obviously the highlight of the game for me. She’s already very into hockey.
That being said, I am getting very tired of Barker fanning at the blue line, making shitty breakout passes and general idiocy. I appreciate his ability to get points, but (and I don’t know if it’ his fault) i will now refer to a blocked PP point shot as a Barker.
Niemi—I played goal for 10 years and am no Huet apologist. But, there is a lot of ignorance when it comes to the position. Niemi played a nice game. Made some good saves, didn’t screw up. BUT, if Huet gives up the 2nd and 3rd goal instead of Niemi, I’m wringing beer out of my shirt today and my daughter increases vocabulary. He should have made those saves. Or, at least one of them. Huet needs to get his shit together but the alternative is not the answer. I appreciate Second City for keeping the goalie stuff realistic.
Campbell had a good game. The last goal was his fault. I was on the other end of the UC and didn’t even think to blame Kane. Campbell cannot force those passes. Inexecusable.
Brouwer, great. Keith, great.
Kane knocked someone over and kept the puck. Kane hit somoeone in the O zone. Kane tried to split D and drew Penalty. This d oesn’t happen last year. He is, like I thought, getting stronger and maturing. What, someone nears 21 and matures physically and emotionally. Get out!
Hawks need to run a triangle to the side of the G on 5-3. Leave one point man, rotate and work it low. We did this on JV. Basic shit. Get it right Q. They were lined up in a 2-3 and the Hawks still think they are cute enough to not move their feet. Run 1 3 1 rotation and they will have to move their feet.
Thanks
by Gbubbs on Oct 22, 2009 10:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well the Hawks were due for a subpar effort
And that’s what exactly happened, and it will probably happen again throughout this 82-game season so no need to hit the panic button just yet. Toews and Seabrook look to be ready to go on Saturday so that’s a positive as well.
Eventhough the Hawks lost there were lots of positives:
- Agree with Gbubbs Kane is playing much more aggressive this season although the turnover in his own zone wasn’t his brightest moment but he wasn’t alone as it wasn’t Campbell and Niemi’s either.
-Brouwer continues to improve every game
-Niemi was solid and gave the Hawks a chance to win. Didn’t like the Grabner goal but he did make a lot of solid stops.
-5-3-1 and for the time being still in top spot in the Central. What’s not to like about that?
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
by hawks61 on Oct 22, 2009 11:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
For those who wanted to run Huet out of town after Saturday?
Check out the highlights of Washington and Atlanta tonight and take a look at the goal Oleg Pavelec let in for the Thrashers. It happens to every goaltender…crazy bounces are a part of the game.
Actually you could make the case that the one Pavelec let in was worse.
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
by hawks61 on Oct 22, 2009 11:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Boy are you right!
Watched it 5 times,yes it DOES happen.
by idiot man on Oct 24, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CBJ and Detroit
Well I had my eye on a few games last night in hopes of them losing and both CBJ and Redwings lost. Although redwings picked up a point wich blows but its better then two I guess. I hope We can focus and bring a better game vs the Preds. What do you think are the chances Q will let Toews and Brook play Sat?
by redtribe14 on Oct 23, 2009 9:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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