Shark Sandwich - Hawks 4, Sharks 3 (OT)
Eight of eight points against 3 top conference foes and one truculent opponent? Yeah, we'll take it. Tonight's win wasn't pretty, but an ugly win is still a win.
Things started off well enough with Brent Sopel (yes, BRENT SOPEL) notching his first of the year on a one time feed from Jordan Hendry who won the puck down low skating at forward tonight. Fresh call-up Bryan Bickell provided a nice screen on a shot that Evgeni Nabokov never saw. The Sharks answered later on in the period when dickweed Dany Heatley took a feed from Joe Thornton on a play that the Hawks should have cleared the zone on, but Jason Demers made a nice play to cut off Troy Brouwer receiving the exit pass.
Early in the second, we got to see the numbskullery we had been missing from Ben Eager, where he somehow managed to earn an extra two minute unsportsmanlike conduct penalty from his scrap with cro-magnon Douglas Murray. On the ensuing power play, the Sharks broke the Hawks streak of 18 straight penalties killed when Demers picked up a loose puck in the left circle on a broken play. It was a shot Huet did not get over to his post in time to cover. Forty-five seconds later, Patrick Marleau got a pass from Joe Pavelski in the slot, where he was left alone in a defensive breakdown, and was allowed to get two cracks at the net, the second of which he punched through. For the rest of the period, the ice was tilted in the Hawks favor. Patrick Kane picked a corner over Nabokov's glove to cut the deficit in half. With about a minute and a half to go, John Madden tied things up after skating through four Sharks to bury a rebound of a shot that was generated between he, Andrew Ladd, and Troy Brouwer. There was a scare in the middle of the frame when the puck squirted behind Huet and the Sharks had thought they had scored, but there was no indication on the ice, and the war room in Toronto determined no goal.
The third period was a rather tenative affair, with neither team generating much offensively, almost playing as if they were resigned to the fate of overtime as teams once did in the pre-lockout era. The Hawks ended things quickly with a great shift from Troy Brouwer and Jonathan Toews, who won the puck after hard work in behind the Shark net, with Toews finally able to slip it to a pinching Brent Seabrook who shot the puck through Nabokov for his second of the year, and second OT winner. Ballgame.
- The Hawks were without the services of Kris Versteeg tonight, who was likely banged up after getting demolished by Jeff Finger on Friday night. Bryan "Don't Call me Travis" Bickell filled in admirably, and proving to be basically the left handed version of Troy Brouwer, which isn't a bad thing to be at this point.
- Glad to see the Hawks hang tough and win over the top team in the league with basically half of their top 6 out for tonight's game (Bolland, Versteeg, Hossa).
- Niklas Hjalmarsson continues to impress with his patience and smarts in his own end. As we've mentioned before here, and in the Indian, pay attention and marvel at his knack for absorbing a hit to make the correct pass. Additionally, he had a nice break up of a rush by dropping to a knee and taking away a passing lane.
- Coach Q broke form and got way less matchup happy in the second period when the Hawks were down two goals, in an effort to generate some offense. Of course, with the score knotted in the third, John Madden once again resumed shadow detail on Thornton.
- It wasn't Huet's best night, but he made a gigantic save on Scott Nichol in the waning seconds of regulation, so credit has to be given. All we as fans have asked from him is to just make the key save, and there was none bigger in the contest than that one.
- The Hawks again limited one of the top offensive teams in the league to just 23 shots.
- EDIT: John Madden was 9-0 on draws. The man love grows ever stronger.
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No mention
About Madden rocking the faceoffs?
wait what?
by pepe126 on Nov 15, 2009 9:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Holy shit
You’re right.
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It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.
by McClure on Nov 15, 2009 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
FIXED
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It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.
by McClure on Nov 15, 2009 9:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Every time he steps on the ice, it makes me want to buy a Madden jersey that much more.
wait what?
by pepe126 on Nov 15, 2009 10:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i appreciate Swedish imports
That pic of Hammer makes me think of this, though.
by chiblackhawks on Nov 15, 2009 10:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I could stare
at the left side of that picture for hours. But what the holy hell is going on in the rest of it?
by Scott13 on Nov 15, 2009 10:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
Mrs. Hammer is yummy.
WAIT FOR THE WHISTLE!
by Sec 326 Bureau Chief on Nov 15, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh...
WTF is that pic of Hammer? He looks like a rah-tard.
by Sportsgal on Nov 15, 2009 10:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Great quote from Toews about his game winning assist to Seabrook
From the Jesse Rogers blog:
“I didn’t see him, but I just heard him screaming, like a girl almost, so I knew it was him,” Toews joked. “I knew he was wide open.”
by Sportsgal on Nov 15, 2009 10:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
After seeing that quote, the “Ladies’ Man” video, and then seeing the article about the superstitions and the way all the other guys talk about Seabrook, is anyone else starting to get the impression that Seabrook is the butt of basically every joke in the locker room?
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It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.
by McClure on Nov 15, 2009 10:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
poooooorrr seabrook
angry bird is angry .
by Da'Ostrich on Nov 15, 2009 10:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know if Toews is still living with Seabs, or does he have a place of his own now?
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
by HappyHuman on Nov 15, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he moved out after his first year
I remember an article where he and Kane apparently live close to each other.
by chiblackhawks on Nov 15, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
jammer and his wife?????
looks more like she would be his sister.
by redtribe14 on Nov 15, 2009 10:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
anyone know...
… if it is expensive to have the surgery that would enable me to have madden’s children?
by SLoop on Nov 15, 2009 11:09 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
REC'D
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It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.
by McClure on Nov 15, 2009 11:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I was tempted
to point it out, but realized that I had picked up on the Madden thing, and me feeling super awesome for noticing something missing in McClure’s article was good enough for me.
wait what?
by pepe126 on Nov 16, 2009 12:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do they make a sweater
with the name Madden but with the number 4, or the other way around?
VERSTEEG!
by Bwana on Nov 16, 2009 12:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
What about Brouwer!?!
Troy Brouwer has been playing some really good hockey this season.
In the last four games he racked up 5 points! (2 G, 3 A)
Brouwer has been apart of alot of key plays lately too, game winners ect.
I think It’s about time he got some street cred. Was disappointed he wasn’t a star in the game against the Leaves, Almost pulled off a Gordie Howe hat trick. Can’t remember whether it was a Herald or Tribune writer that listed Brouwer as their # 1 Star in the game summary the following day!
by PJ-Blackhawk on Nov 16, 2009 12:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
We’ve been throwing bouquets in Brouwer’s direction all year. Don’t you worry, we’re all over this one.
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It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.
by McClure on Nov 16, 2009 1:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
random question...
is the plural of Toronto Maple Leaf, Maple Leafs or Maple Leaves?
by SLoop on Nov 16, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maple Leafs. Or you could use the team that has one less win all season (3) than what the Hawks were able to produce this week (4).
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
by hawks61 on Nov 16, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Toews
was great tonight,didn’t keep track on his faceoffs,but along the boards and in the corners he was gigantic….at one point one o the SJ commentators was marveling at him holding his own against the boards with Jumbo Joe on his back,and not to mention he had 2 very awesome feeds for goals
by csm on Nov 16, 2009 3:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
44% on FOs
but otherwise still very solid play. Both assists were great, I agree.
by chiblackhawks on Nov 16, 2009 7:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
44% on faceoffs
isn’t good….but it was only one game….other than that i thought he was a monster last night….i’ pretty sure the Hawks won the overall face off battle though,right?
by csm on Nov 16, 2009 8:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
8 of 18 FO battles, which is still good for 3rd in the league
And considering that the Sharks are actually the best in the league for FOs, it’s great we won the FO battle 52 to 48.
by chiblackhawks on Nov 16, 2009 9:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
clarity fail
8 of 18 FOs isn’t good for third in the league, but despite that number last night, Toews still ranks third overall in the league.
It’s early, okay? That’s my excuse.
by chiblackhawks on Nov 16, 2009 9:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he matched up against
the no. 2 faceoff guy a bunch, Nichol, right? i’ll give him a break because otherwise, Toews was great tonight.
by Kevin Kujawa on Nov 16, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Bickel...
…and Sopel, over the last five games, has been pretty good. Other than being slow, there’s not a lot to fault in his game lately.
I though Soupy had a pretty good defensive game too.
by cliffkoroll on Nov 16, 2009 4:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agree on Sopel
And I was very much a critic earlier.
by Scott13 on Nov 16, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Same here in regards to Sopel
I was complaining earlier in the year about how slow Sopel was and how he’s a player that counts against us and pushs us up against are salary cap.
Over the past 8 or 9 games Sopel is playing up to his pay, He’s kind of one of those players you never recognize b/c he’s doing his job. It took me going to a game two weeks ago to realize Sopels presents on the ice. He’s making hits and playing a solid defense when the heat is on.
How many more days til Burish is back?
Brian Campbell SuckS!
by PJ-Blackhawk on Nov 16, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sopel is "Effectively Slow"
At the 60 min mark Big Buff dishes out his big hit……giving him 2034 hits for the year.
"Let 'em say all those nice things," he says, "but I know my mistakes, and I make plenty of them.-Bobby Orr
by taBruiser on Nov 16, 2009 5:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Overall i thought
the Hawks played an impressive game,a gritty ugly win,but considering 3 of your top 6 forwards are injured a great win….during the last game against toronto and this game against San Jose,when Kessel and Heatley scored their goals,i was thinkin to myself,the only thing missing from this Hawks team is a guy that can score like those two,and then i was thinkin who could they trade to get a good sniper,and then i realized that the Hawks have him,he is just injured,Hossa…..he has proved that he can put up 40 goals in a season,defensively,the Hawks held an awesome SJ team to just 23 shots,i’m pretty sure the Hawks won the faceoff battle too….buuuuuuuut…..the circus is comin to town,here is to hopin they go .500 on the circus trip
by csm on Nov 16, 2009 6:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
anyone else notice...
the huge sign hanging from one of the new standing-room bars that says “HJALMARSSON!!!”? maybe it was only up at the toronto game, but i couldn’t help looking at it every .13 seconds and smiling.
by josh s on Nov 16, 2009 7:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
If these Sharks were like real sharks
they’d have smelled blood in the water coming into the game and come in for the kill. For heaven’s sake, look at our forwards:
Eager-Kopecky-Byfuglien
Kane-Toews-Sharp
Ladd-Madden-Brouwer
Bickell-Fraser-Hendry
But you gotta love the way we fought back from that. Of course, Q juggled some lines later on, sort of, and we got a look at Kane-Toews-Bickell sometimes too. Toews made some key assists tonight and we held on for the OT winner in there. Brouwer’s game remains to be solid as well.
We’ve still got a tough schedule ahead of us, though, meeting the Sharks in the Tank on November 25 after we go through Western Canada (urgh) but hopefully by the time they return we’ve got Hossa in the lineup and we’d be looking more and more like the team we’re going to be down the stretch.
by chiblackhawks on Nov 16, 2009 7:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Should be a tough trip with all 6 games against a formidable foe. Calgary, Vancouver and San Jose are going to be extremely difficult games to win, especially in their own barn, so a 1-1-1 record in those 3 games would be respectable.
I do, however, like the Hawks to win in Edmonton and Anaheim with Los Angeles being a toss-up as you’d like to think the Hawks would relish the chance to end the trip on the right note. The last 4 trips to L.A. have been more than forgettable with the Toews injury on New Year’s Day and the debacle of blowing a 5-1 lead only for Sharp to rescue the game in OT, and the 2 last year in which the Hawks never really showed up at all. The last time the Hawks won there was in a shootout with Nikita Alexeev (remember him?) notching the winner.
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
by hawks61 on Nov 16, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is goin to
be a really tough trip,gotta agree with you there,and even if Hossa returns on this trip,you can’t expect everythingto click right away,its gonna take him at least 6 o r 7 games to get used to playin again…..my hope is that they will go .500 for the trip,i wouldn’t be happy about goin .500 on the trip,but it would be satisfactory
by csm on Nov 16, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
kessel
didn’t seem to have any problems adjusting – they were both shoulder related if i recall. with that said, i think expecting some rust is realistic
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
by Illini0509 on Nov 16, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Buff has completely reverted back to his old self...
And it really pisses me off. He hit AH guy last night. That was about the most productive thing he did the whole game. I can probably count the number of times I’ve seen his fat ass in front of the opposing goalie on one hand. Maybe it’s a result of the lines he’s been placed on by Q, but I doubt it.
by Sportsgal on Nov 16, 2009 8:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's unfortunate
But he does seem to be regressing. And I reallyreallyreallyreally want to love the big guy, but he makes it so damn hard. Anyways, Tim Sassone is reporting that the Hawks may be shopping for a second line center to replace Bolland. Carolina was mentioned with Matt Cullen being a possibility. Being that the ‘Canes are “burning clown ambulence” bad right now and Cullen is a UFA at season’s end, maybe Buff is the carrot we dangle out for them…
by AirTrafficAJ on Nov 16, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Goalie screening
If big Buff can’t play the game the least he can do is stand infront of the Goalie. Buffs big ass standing infront of Kiprusoff & Luongo was key to the Blackhawks Scoring goals and advancing through the playoffs last season.
Hey Buff did you see Bickell out there last nite? Hey played infront of the net like a champ and finished the nite +2!
How many more days til Burish is back?
Brian Campbell SuckS!
by PJ-Blackhawk on Nov 16, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i agree
with you,he has sort of disappeared….but i dont know if that is because he is being lazy,or this whole line juggling thing because of injuries….eager kopecky and buff seems more like an energy line….by the way,i thought kopecky skated really well last night nad the game before,it seems like he is comin around
by csm on Nov 16, 2009 9:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Am I glad...
…I didn’t go with the Spinal Tap reference – I had a feeling you guys were going there.
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by Forklift14 on Nov 16, 2009 9:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Our predictability must be comforting.
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It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.
by McClure on Nov 16, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was about to write...
Two word review: Shit Sandwich.
by GenPabloSecobar on Nov 16, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How's that for character?
Despite missing their entire 2nd line the Hawks still managed to find a way to get past the Sharks as they are now 10-2-Helsink1 at home and 12-5-2 overall. Pretty stellar.
Was really impressed with Bickell as he was causing havoc in front of Nabokov on the first 2 Hawks goals and was, by far, the best of the 67’s alumni last night (Campbell, McGinn, Couture, and Joslin). Hopefully he gets some more looks from the Hawks as he far more effective in many areas than Byfuglien last night.
At the beginning of the season I have to admit that the comparisons of Hjalmarsson to Kronwall will a little too steep for the former as he really had just started his NHL career and that those expectations might hinder him a little. Man, was I wrong. Not only has he been one of the most solid defenders for the Hawks but you could make the case that he has developed into a better all-around defenceman than Kronwall. Strong words, but true.
Thought Madden would get the P.O.T.G. for sure with his clutch goal to tie the game up and his mauling defensively of Thornton. Not to mention how he demolshed any centre in front of him at the dot going 9-0. This guy has been one of the best FA signings the Hawks have ever made and maybe Stan and co. should look into signing this guy to a mid-term 3-year deal to stay here in Chicago. He been that good.
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
by hawks61 on Nov 16, 2009 10:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thornton was on the ice for two of the three SJ goals, which I kind of thought kind of detracted from Madden’s effectiveness in shutting Thornton down. That’s not to say Madden didn’t have a good game, but that aspect of it was far from exemplary.
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by McClure on Nov 16, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One was on the PP and the other was off a broken play were the Sharks top line was on for an extremely long shift. Neither were of Madden’s fault as the rest of the game Mad Dog dominated Thornton in all areas including the face-off circle.
True 2 goals are 2 goals but that doesn’t diminish Madden’s efforts in my mind. He was a little unlucky when it came to that as both those goals were off of broken plays.
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
by hawks61 on Nov 16, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i pray
that we keep “Boom”. He’s the best, AND he looks like Phil Collins.
by Kevin Kujawa on Nov 16, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can we include a pic of Hammer's lady
in every post?
I be on my green like Irish Spring.
by chrome on Nov 16, 2009 10:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I’m concussed, but to me, she’s kind of a big face.
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It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.
by McClure on Nov 16, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I could do wonderful things with that big face.
I be on my green like Irish Spring.
by chrome on Nov 16, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
i mean, she looks o.k., but she’s kinda a Cincinnati Bengal
by Kevin Kujawa on Nov 16, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
by Illini0509 on Nov 16, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great comeback. It’s truly something that is great to see. What worries me is the fact that we are having to comeback. Sloppy defensive play in our own zone combined with some fluky goals is making for some bi-polar game situations. It’s like they wake up down 3 goals and decide it’s time to play. I’m as happy as the next guy to see them show character, and pull out a big win, but do we really have the gas to do this all season? Methinks no. Sure, Huet was a little deep in his net on that PPG, and he got lucky on the posts and the puck laying on the line, but as a goalie you’d rather be lucky than good. I’ll lay off on him because it’s a sore spot and we have to play the hand we’re dealt. Lets shore up that D, and get rolling. We’re never going to sweep the road trip, but a 4-2 trip would be huge. Could be a turning point.
by G8K33P3R on Nov 16, 2009 10:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i don't really care if we have to comeback every game we play the sharks
just as long as we end up on top.
(that’s what she said)
by SLoop on Nov 16, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you're a goalie?
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
by Illini0509 on Nov 16, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hammer
is turning into a great D man, fun to watch. Madden was amazing, like said the man love is growing. Seabs is turning into captain clutch with all of these overtime goals(only two this season, I know).
Other than one mistake (rarity) I saw last night, Duncan Keith is proving that he is a MASSIVE deal to this team(do not wait until you have no options or time left to sign him to an extension, please.)
On the road they go, can’t wait to watch Hossa.
jt
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Nov 16, 2009 11:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
DJ Tanner
Is it just me or does Hammer’s girlfriend look like DJ Tanner from Full House?
by ChicoMaki on Nov 16, 2009 1:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
isn't that pavel bure's wife?
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
by Illini0509 on Nov 16, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pavel’s sister in law. Married Valeri. She is also Kirk Cameron’s sister. I am now going to go set myself on fire for knowing all this.
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by McClure on Nov 16, 2009 1:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
And didn’t Pavel date Anna Kournikova there for awhile? I seem to recall some drama when she showed up for a game to watch Pavel and he was playing the Red Wings (who at the time had Federov).
by Sportsgal on Nov 16, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah he did
“Bure sued Russian newspaper the eXile for publishing an article stating that he broke up with Kournikova on account of her having two vaginas.”
His ancestors also made waches for the tsars for about 100 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Bure
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
by Illini0509 on Nov 16, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If DJ looked like that,
I would have masterbated to her much more often.
I be on my green like Irish Spring.
by chrome on Nov 16, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No one’s actually mentioned if they see a resemblance though … other than chrome saying no in an interestingly roundabout way. I’m just talking resemblance here … the Bure connection is pure coincidence, I didn’t know that.
by ChicoMaki on Nov 16, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Complaint Department
1) Still trying to figure out what Eager did to earn the extra two.
2) Is there anyone in the league with less vision offensively than Kopecky? This was the third game in a row in which he had a teammate wide open and busting for the net and didn’t see him.
3) Biscuit got the game-winner and Taser the primary assist, but Brouwer made the play by lifting a stick to keep that puck alive.
by the wolf on Nov 16, 2009 1:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
kerry fraser
hates the blackhawks…kevin pollock (not the 80’s actor with a different spelling) went along with kerry fraser hating of the blackhawks and gave eager the extra 2.
Top 5 Worst NHL REFS (who hate on the hawks)
1)Bill McCreary
2)Kerry Fraser
3) Dan Marouelli
4) Andy Van Hellmond (Gone, thankfully)
5) The guy Tom Lysiak tripped (which he was right to do in my mind)
My dad taught me three thing at my first hockey game at age 5:
Always buy the Blue Line..
Dino [Ciccarelli] is a queen-o
Detroit Sucks!!
by notsince61 on Nov 16, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Were the Sharks try to
intimidate Campbell last night ?…pushing him around in front of our night….
"Let 'em say all those nice things," he says, "but I know my mistakes, and I make plenty of them.-Bobby Orr
by taBruiser on Nov 16, 2009 1:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You guys going to comment on Puck Daddy's "no way Keith can be signed" column?
I know the whole cap issue is beating a dead horse, but if Kane and Toews are both close to signing deals, then should we discuss whether or not Keith is going to be on the team next year?
If I was Carolina, there is no way I’d trade Cullen for Buff. It would be great for us but I just don’t see it happening.
I have a feeling we’re either losing Sharp or Versteeg next season.
by Sportsgal on Nov 16, 2009 1:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it was a “no way can it happen” article – but with the rumors that the Hawks are close with Daydream Nation it just makes it a big question mark… well a bigger question mark than it was before. I’m nervous about losing Keith but I still think it’s possible to get him signed even if the other two sign in the coming weeks. It’s just a matter of what the other two contracts are gonna look like so I don’t know what we can say til we hear some numbers from them.. Time will tell
If anyone else hasn’t read the article though – click here
Oh and Puck Daddy’s wrong about one thing – Keith won’t be a UFA in ‘11, he’ll be a RFA at the end of this year.
by Matthew Dirt on Nov 16, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll give you he cheated, but Keith is an arbitration eligible RFA in the summer of ‘10, assuming he takes a 1-year arbitration deal, he’d be a UFA in ’11.
Like I said, he cheated, but he’s correct about the UFA in ’11.
by Kev623 on Nov 16, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
true..
but I feel like he didn’t make it clear that’s on the assumption of the arbitration deal.. Maybe I was reading too much into it but I thought it’d be confusing for people
by Matthew Dirt on Nov 16, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, that’s why I said he cheated. He wanted it to sound worse than it is, so he went a year in the future.
I really don’t see Keith going the one year arbitration deal. Either the hawks offer him an extension or some team gives him a nice contract and we get a first and third rounder.
by Kev623 on Nov 16, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bowman
will make sure he can keep Kane, Toews, and Keith. He’ll trade who he has to.
I’m a little bit more worried about players like Hammer, who are due for a nice healthy raise.
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
by hackerar on Nov 16, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel the same way worrying about Ladd – that might just be because I really want a Ladd jersey
by Matthew Dirt on Nov 16, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you...
…I’ve loved Ladd since the moment he got here. He’s one of those guys who I hope takes a look around at what this team has and how good they’re gonna be for awhile and how much they all seem to get along and says, “Screw it, I don’t need the extra mil. I want the Cup.”
Madden too…I’d love for him to come back each year for one mil a season til he can’t do it anymore.
Pipe dreams, perhaps, but that’s what the internet is for.
by GenPabloSecobar on Nov 16, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You’d become a very popular man in Montréal Matt with that Ladd jersey.
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
by hawks61 on Nov 16, 2009 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All true...
in re: Ladd, VERSTEEG!, Sharp, Hammer. All critical to this year’s team, but the big 3 complement one another amazingly, and can be the core of a GREAT team for a decade.
by cliffkoroll on Nov 17, 2009 7:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, but I think there are lots of way to keep the core together … it’s just a matter of determining who the core is, jettisoning the others, and hoping guys like the Beach, Makarov, Aliu, Lalonde, Sweatt, although entirely untested, can fill in.
by ChicoMaki on Nov 16, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Although there are some very hard choices to be made the Hawks are going to keep the core together-Toews, Kane, Keith, Sharp, and Seabrook.
Personally Versteeg, Byfuglien, Barker are the first 3 that come to mind as all 3 can be easily replaced with Skille, Bickell, and Hendry. Those 3 alone would free up around $5.5 million which is what the Hawks will need to keep the big 3 for next season. Also, there is a small possibility that the cap could increase slightly for next season in range of $2-4 million.
If there are more moves to be made expect Campbell to be moved as, contrary to the belief of some here, there are many teams looking for a puck-moving defencemen like Ottawa (the rumour that won’t go away) who are in dire need of a veteran puck-moving defenceman since Redden’s departure.
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
by hawks61 on Nov 16, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it all sounds so easy.....
but I disagree that Skille, Bickell, and Hendry (at this point in their careers) can easily replace Versteeg, Buff, and Barker. They can replace them as bodies in the same positions, but I don’t believe the skill level to be comparable, especially at Skille for Versteeg.
What you propose may end up happening as a necessary evil. I guess if you wanna make an omlet you gotta break some eggs, right?
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
by hackerar on Nov 16, 2009 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
“Versteeg, Byfuglien, Barker are the first 3 that come to mind as all 3 can be easily replaced with Skille, Bickell, and Hendry.”
That is batshit crazy. You have rabies.
by ChicoMaki on Nov 16, 2009 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
However, replacing Byfuglien and Barker with Beach and Lalonde is not out of the question. Beach has 18 goals in 18 games in junior, and Lalonde has 15 points in 16 games.
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by McClure on Nov 16, 2009 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely agree, I mentioned both of them above. We’ll re-sign who we need to, and then rely on some prospects … and hope a bit.
by ChicoMaki on Nov 16, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We’re going to have to replace those 3 with other guys next season so those were the first three that came to mind as all three have played in the NHL already.
It’s obvious the long-term solutions to the losses of Barker, Byfuglien, and Versteeg are Skille, Beach, and Lalonde but are the latter 2 ready for the jump into the big leagues for next season? I don’t think so and that’s were Bickell and Hendry come into play.
Give it a couple seasons after next and both Lalonde and Olsen will be ready for full-time action in the NHL, but for the time being (next season) guys like Hendry are going to have to be the answer.
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
by hawks61 on Nov 16, 2009 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
question on Lalonde
Is he more in the mold of Barker or Campbell? I mean Campbell is really a true PP quarterback, with Barker being an occasional PP QB, but more of just a big shot from the point.
Is Barker really a powerplay QB in the truest sense of the term? Rarely do you see him take the puck from behind his own net and skate it all the way into the opposing zone, as Campbell does. It seems like Barker usually makes a neutral zone pass when bringing the puck up on the powerplay.
Who would Lalonde be more suited to replace?
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
by hackerar on Nov 16, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lalonde
Watching Lalonde briefly at prospects camp, he seemed more capable of rushing the puck from his own end than Barker. Theoretically, that means he would be more suited to “replace” Campbell, but a) that’s a serious drop off from Campbell to Lalonde, even if he is excellent once he hits the show, and b) Campbell’s contract IS an albatross, and no matter how desperate a team is, it will be exceedingly difficult to move. I’d prefer he replace Barker anyway, in this scenario, because then the Hawks have three d-men capable of carrying the mail 140 feet on the advantage.
Here’s what hockey’s future says re: Lalonde:
Lalonde is a mobile defenseman who has the ability to jump into the rush when required. Though he displays good instincts on the ice, Lalonde needs to improve his defensive play and make better decisions at times. He also needs to improve his strength and play consistently for the entire game.
Sound like anyone else the Hawks already have?
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by McClure on Nov 16, 2009 11:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good stuff
that’s about what I figured from previous mentions of Lalonde.
thanks for the info
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by hackerar on Nov 17, 2009 8:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I went the serious route
you went the funny route……..batshit crazy + rabies = REC
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
by hackerar on Nov 16, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
If the Hawks want to keep Keith were going to have to shed 10 or 32
Here’s the question only Bowman can answer. Do we want youth or experience?
One of the ways to keep our forwards is to pray somebody takes Brian Campbell’s $7,142,875 Cap hit off our hands. Unfortunately I don’t believe anyone is going to do us this favor.
Does anyone with more knowledge of the whole player contract agreement know if there is a buyout option available? Can the Blackhawks just pay him the money left in the contract and walk him out the door ?
Check out David Morris’s "Cap Crisis" Fact or Fiction article, Gives good insight to the Salary Cap problems the Hawks are facing.
How many more days til Burish is back?
Brian Campbell SuckS!
by PJ-Blackhawk on Nov 16, 2009 2:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
For a buy out you have to pay the contract out but you can double the length of the deal, reducing the payments to half of what he’s being paid now.
It still counts against the cap too.
by Matthew Dirt on Nov 16, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so we'd have to
take a cap hit of 3.6 mil a year until like 2022? I think I speak for many of us when I say, no thanks on the buyout.
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
by hackerar on Nov 16, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know Campbell’s contract is huge, but can we really afford to lose another defenseman? Obviously I’d rather have Keith than Campbell, but if we lose Keith I don’t think the team would be better off without Campbell too.
Is Huet’s contract up after this year?
by Sportsgal on Nov 16, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Huet is signed til Summer 2012..
but if that horrible movie is true – the world will be ending right about that time
by Matthew Dirt on Nov 16, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
here is a source
this site shows the contract info for the hawks (term, cap hit, salary, etc)
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
by hackerar on Nov 16, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
due to my aversion to all things hockey buzz – I prefer to use NHL Numbers but Cap Geek is great if you want to play around with the numbers on your own..
by Matthew Dirt on Nov 16, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Losing D
We can certainly afford to lose Campbell! There are plenty of good D’s out there that will gladly take a 1/4 of Campbell’s pay. Problem is were never going to be able to get rid of Campbell were stuck with him till 2013/14.
Huet is 5,625,000 till 2011/12, Might not be so bad if he keeps playing hockey the way he is right? He’s only going to get better.
How many more days til Burish is back?
Brian Campbell SuckS!
by PJ-Blackhawk on Nov 16, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mistake
Were stuck with Campbell for longer then that! try till 2015/16!
I use NHL Numbers too.
How many more days til Burish is back?
Brian Campbell SuckS!
by PJ-Blackhawk on Nov 16, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Campbell would be willing to restructure his contract so that Keith and Seabrook can stay?
by Sportsgal on Nov 16, 2009 2:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
pretty sure that’s not allowed… but it would be awesome
by Matthew Dirt on Nov 16, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, even if it was I’m sure the NHLPA would sue.
by Sportsgal on Nov 16, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you were Campbell...
would you want to lose out on your millions, because as much as we think this team is a family, don’t forget its still business and money comes first. would you want to lose your money on someones behalf.
by redtribe14 on Nov 16, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on the person. I know there are guys out there who are willing to make less to play on team because they have the best shot at winning a cup. I definitely wouldn’t want to take $7M a year to play for a team like the Coyotes or the Thrashers knowing I wouldn’t ever win shit.
by Sportsgal on Nov 16, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would.
Money smells good. It buys cool shit. It makes you feel like a winner, even if your team sucks.
I be on my green like Irish Spring.
by chrome on Nov 16, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s also worth mentioning that there’s a significant amount of an NHL paycheck that the players don’t get to take home. I don’t have the exact numbers, though I believe they were discussed over at From The Rink, but NHL players pay an escrow of about 22.5%, and then face an income tax of a pretty considerable amount (I want to say their tax bracket would be around 30% but I don’t know for sure). That’s not to say that they pocket an insignificant amount of money after those deductions are made, but unlike the jobs most of us have, this isn’t something they’ll continue doing until they’re 65.
So as admirable a quality as taking less money to win may be, I for one can’t fault a guy for chasing the dollar. If you say you wouldn’t do the same in your job, you’re a liar.
by hawksfan21 on Nov 16, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That escrow number goes up or down depending on league revenues … it’s not like they pay it every year.
by ChicoMaki on Nov 16, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a fair point. I don’t know what the prognostications are for league revenues this year, but news out of markets like Columbus, Atlanta, Phoenix, etc. doesn’t exactly paint a rosy picture.
by hawksfan21 on Nov 16, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At the GM meeting last week, league financials were discussed. I read that the cap won’t be changing significantly … and so I guess we can infer from that that the revenues are somewhat stable.
by ChicoMaki on Nov 16, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well then, I consider that to be good news. So in essence, my point about taking home less than half of their paychecks may not be valid, but I stand firm on not blaming somebody for wanting more money to do their job if someone’s willing to pay for it.
by hawksfan21 on Nov 16, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, I wasn’t arguing, just clearing up the escrow thing.
by ChicoMaki on Nov 16, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what is the escrow for?
i would imagine it would pay for their pensions or something, so they probably do get that money in the end.
by SLoop on Nov 16, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t quote me on this without looking it up, but my understanding is that a percentage of players’ salaries are placed “in escrow”—basically just a joint account kind of thing—and if at year’s end the league’s revenue targets are down, it goes to the owners to help balance the loss; if league revenues are up, or increase, they get it back.
by ChicoMaki on Nov 17, 2009 8:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hossa
Does the name Hossa ring a bell? Went to Dtown after playin for the Pens. The Pens offered him a ton of money to stay but he wanted the cup so bad he took the paycheck hit and packed for Detroit
How many more days til Burish is back?
Brian Campbell SuckS!
by PJ-Blackhawk on Nov 16, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what I mean...
so some of you are saying, if you were Campbell, that you would take a paycut to sign another player, well what if you did that and then they traded you to another team because they wanted to let you go regardless. Its a business world out there people. Don’t for a second think that its not.
by redtribe14 on Nov 16, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
here is what I don't undrestand..
when we signed Campbell a few years back, And everyone blamed Dale for it, but wasn’t the Bowman Sr. really making the decisions to bring him and Huet in, I mean since he has been with us a a few years also. Or Am I missing something. The hold world blamed Tallon but wasn’t the Bowman or Mr. marketing man that told Tallon to go out their and get the biggest free agent names??? So I think if its anyone to blame its Mr. Market man.
by redtribe14 on Nov 16, 2009 2:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cambpell and Huet were signed on July 1st, 2008 – Scotty Bowman was brought in on July 31st, 2008. So I’m pretty sure he had nothing to do with it.
it’s up for debate on if McCub put pressure on Tallon to sign those two but I can’t believe he’d tell Tallon “sign these two or you’re fired”
by Matthew Dirt on Nov 16, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tallon is great at bringing good players in, But he is the one to blame because ultimately he’s the GM that signs off on the Contract.
Tallon has built a great hockey team, Problem with Tallon is the contracts were to long or he overpaid (Huet) , Campell is both.
Then there’s the slip up of Versteeg and Barkers contracts. That has only added to our problems.
How many more days til Burish is back?
Brian Campbell SuckS!
by PJ-Blackhawk on Nov 16, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or Am I missing something.
My favorite Sentence EVer?
I be on my green like Irish Spring.
by chrome on Nov 16, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
McDonough Vs. Tallon
You have to remember,
McDonough is a businessman,
Tallon was a hockey player.
They have contrasing views in regards to managing a hockey team.
How many more days til Burish is back?
Brian Campbell SuckS!
by PJ-Blackhawk on Nov 16, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OH SHIT!
Forgot the Hammer is a restricted free agent,Keith is a restricted free agent…..burish eager and someone else are unrestricted free agents…..this is bad…..dont wanna lose Sharp or Versteeg,i think the Hawks need both of them…… i mean,i know the hawks have a lot of talent comin up,like Akim Aiu,Kyle Beech etc….buuuuuuut,i think Sharp and Steeger have already proven themselves as good quality players…..trade Campbell,the Hammer can take his place QBing the power play……
by csm on Nov 16, 2009 4:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You “forgot” these things?
I don’t know how to reply to the other bits.
by ChicoMaki on Nov 16, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dunno if hammer has that instinct yet
but moving Campbell (purely for cap purposes) is a very very tricky thing to do.
by chiblackhawks on Nov 16, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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