McKenzie Thinks He's Got The Numbers
by SamFels on Nov 17, 2009 6:27 PM CST
212 comments
Here's what Bob McKenzie is reporting on TSN
Quite frankly, I hope these aren't the numbers. Otherwise, Stan Bowman is not the capologist genius we were told he was. I love Tazer as much as the next guy, but how he comes in at a number higher than Mike Richards is a mystery. Kane at 6 seems high, but probably unavoidable.
The Keith contract is going to be fucking hilarious, and I put it at 50/50 that the NHL does its utmost to void it. So, let's say Keith comes in at 5. That means the cap hit increase for Kane is 2.3 (at least), 3.3 for Toews, and 3.4 for Keith. That's a total rise of 9. So no resigning of Madden, find a taker for Sopel, and Buff and Barker moved along would give you 10 million worth of relief, but there's still Ladd and Hammer to be resigned, and others. This is going to be a headache, but I guess I'll wait until an official announcement before I get angry. Though I do enjoy it so.
0 recs |
212 comments
|
Email
Print
Comments
Ladd and Burish are RFAs after this season, Eager and Madden UFAs. I think I’m going to need to start attending some Rockford games and figure out if any guys are ready to be moved up. This is a clusterfuck.
by Sportsgal on Nov 17, 2009 6:38 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
hahah
I wish, I can only pray someone takes 51 off our hands!
How many more days til Burish is back?
Brian Campbell SuckS!
by PJ-Blackhawk on Nov 17, 2009 6:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hell Yeah!
The only logical answer is to get rid of Campbell. He is playing extremely poor and is the highest paid player on the team. I place him as one of our lowest performing d-men at the moment. Huet is also fairly overpaid. Loose those two and we make the cap.
by Puckpowwow.com on Nov 17, 2009 11:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, that simple
We’ll just drop two of our highest paid players on teams who are looking to take on huge contracts for players who don’t play to their market value.
And never mind that no-trade clause that Campbell has, that means nothing.
Who is gonna take this team through the playoffs between the pipes too, without Huet?
by cubs22 on Nov 17, 2009 11:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know it is unlikely
But Campbell makes my blood boil. Over 7 mil a year and he is the lowest performing player on defense. Even though Huet is playing much better than his first half, he is still playing behind some amazing defense and letting in about two goals per game that should be stopped. There are other options out there.
Either way, its a good year to be a Hawks fan.
by Puckpowwow.com on Nov 17, 2009 11:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Campbell’s slumping now re points, but I don’t know exactly what you expect of him. He’ll rebound and get 40/45 points, close to the same number of points he’s put up in three of the last four years, and he’s playing far better defensively. He’s a key to our rarely matched transition game and he makes the mistakes ALL offensively minded, rushing defensemen make, except maybe elite players like Niedermayer … and even these are far more rare this year.
If he was scoring more people would be leaping down his throat for the larger number of defensive mistakes he’d be making.
This gets so fucking tired it drives me insane.
by ChicoMaki on Nov 18, 2009 9:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think some of these Campbell bashers need to start to deal with the terms of reality as they’ll find that a lot of teams would really like to have a defenceman with the offensive capabilites that of one Brian Campbell even with that, supposedly unmoveable, contract.
As Chico already pointed out Campbell is an almost automatic 45-55 point defenceman that logs at or around 20-25 minutes a game that is also durable (close to 80 GP every year). Where else could you find a defenceman with those credentials? A lot of teams want this guy and will be happy to make room for his salary if he chooses to leave (he’d have to agree on a trade since he has a no-movement clause).
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
by hawks61 on Nov 18, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
He was brought in to rush the puck and keep preesure on the offensive zone….exactly wat he does ….even more with the pairing with Hammer, who is growing in leaps and bounds…..Hammer Quote “I love to hit people” as he and his body matures he will be a force equal to or better then "Bisquit
"Let 'em say all those nice things," he says, "but I know my mistakes, and I make plenty of them.-Bobby Orr
by taBruiser on Nov 18, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Campbell is
alright,i just think he is kinda expensive considering what he brings to the team…..and i have a feeling Hjalmarson could replace him on the PP
by csm on Nov 18, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now stop it right there...
Bisquit? You don’t like Seabs either…
by Delta0ne1 on Nov 18, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey now.....Luv the Bisquit
"Let 'em say all those nice things," he says, "but I know my mistakes, and I make plenty of them.-Bobby Orr
by taBruiser on Nov 18, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Possible spelling error...
Biscuit? or Bisquit? quit makes it seem negative.
by Delta0ne1 on Nov 18, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew it.....
….this forum is dominated by the Unemployeed Teachers Guild…….
"Let 'em say all those nice things," he says, "but I know my mistakes, and I make plenty of them.-Bobby Orr
by taBruiser on Nov 18, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about everyone else...
But I still have no idea what “Sea Bisquit” is..
by Matthew Dirt on Nov 18, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I see both sides of the campbell debate and I'm torn
I like Campbell. I like what he does. He was a beast in the playoffs (both ways). I like his pairing with Hammer. I think he is playing better (all around) than last year.
But……..the thought of losing parts of versteeg, sharp, barker, buff, hammer, ladd, (notice emphasis added) while campbell sits at 7.1 mil. is just rough. I understand the market for him, I understand the power play will need to adjust in his absence, I just see it both ways. I want campbell on this team, just not at the expense of some of the others.
That being said, we can’t move his contract, but that won’t stop people from talking about it.
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
by hackerar on Nov 18, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely, talking about Campbell being traded may be the most useless debate ever. Even if we did move his contract, we would get back something close to equal in return. And the teams with lots of cap room are losing money anyway, so he wouldn’t fit in their budgets. I’m just tired of hearing the complaints, notwithstanding the fact that I’m a fan of the guy.
by warrenjm2006 on Nov 18, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There are a lot of teams willing to take on that contract and part ways with a prospect just to add him to their roster. Teams like Ottawa and Vancouver will have the cap room and the financial abilities to acquire Campbell, especially with Kovalev (Ottawa) and Schneder and Demitra (Vancouver) being nothing short of disasters.
What about Pittsburgh? What if Gonchar decides to go back to Russia at season’s end? Think they’re going to let Letang and/or Goglioski run their PP? Didn’t think so.
Once these 3 deals are finalized you’ll see the potential buyers for Campbell come out of the woods.
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
by hawks61 on Nov 18, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Am I hearing this correctly?
People actually like Campbell out there. His offensive abilities are null next to the fact he turns over the puck with horrible passes at least 3 times a game. Defensively, he is the worst on the team right now in the defensive line-up. He is scarred to take hits, throws the puck away if someone is coming at him, everyone is on to his spin move, yeah he can skate, but that’s it. He literally stands behind the net for a minute and then turns the puck over when he gets nervous. Has anyone seen him hit anybody? I really don’t think people are paying enough attention to him. Just watch him closely next game and tell me that you think he is worth even 3 mil.
by Puckpowwow.com on Nov 18, 2009 9:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
100% agree with you, campbell sucks at everything, especially hockey, and doesn’t deserve any money from any team in the league.
wait what?
by pepe126 on Nov 18, 2009 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh my god
I can’t believe I read this. Please ban.
by illinikc33 on Nov 18, 2009 10:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One thing about SCH..
We will never ban anyone for having an opinion different than ours… even if it’s very wrong
by Matthew Dirt on Nov 18, 2009 11:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Campbell is the litmus test
Whenever I hear people bitch incessantly about Campbell, it always comes down to two things.
1) He makes too much money.
2) He doesn’t play tough
The money thing is a horseshit argument as Atlanta ponied up over $60MM to Soupy before he signed here and he was THE defenseman in that free agent class. He was going to get $7MM wherever he went. Better here than anywhere else.
This is where you separate the fair weather fans from the smart ones. Dumb fans see Soupy play unlike traditional defensemen and think he sucks. Smart fans understand the dimensions he brings to the game, the fact that our PP is light years better with him at the point, and that an offensively skilled defenseman puts the opponents defense in much greater peril. He brings a lot to the table. I get that he’s frustrating at times, that he takes chances, that he doesn’t punish guys in the corner like Seabrook. That doesn’t matter. His game is to quarterback our power play, make a solid exit from our zone, solid passing to the forwards, be our 4th forward when appropriate.
So, in other words, if you bitch about Campbell “sucking”, you’re probably hockey retarded.
by hoorock89 on Nov 18, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with you but...
Can coach Q at least keep him off the ice when the game is on the line in tight games? Especially when we are ahead.
by Da Juice on Nov 18, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Campbell
Agree with you on Soupy’s offensive defenseman skills, and I do agree our PK would not be a league leading 86.8% without 51.
Here’s the problem as I see it, It’s upsetting when the Blackhawks will/could lose players such as Sharp, Versteeg, Ladd, and Madden who I believe bring a greater $ to performance ratio the Soupy.
I’m willing to dump a cap ceiling pushing player in order to save (not a guarantee) one to three other players (not necessary top performance players) even though it means losing a good, some what clutch defensive man that would lower our PP and PK %.
How many more days til Burish is back?
Brian Campbell SuckS!
by PJ-Blackhawk on Nov 18, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've never bitched about Campbell before
but you neglected to address the one comment I have, that he’s capable of playing very strong defense but rarely shows it. He was by far the best defensive defensemen in the Detroit series, which unfortunately has some to do with the fact that both Seabrook and Keith had a bad series. But make no mistake about it, he was everywhere, had an active stick and was the most physical defensemen. I don’t remember a single game all last season where I thought that about Campbell and yet that’s what I thought over an entire series against an elite team when it mattered most. I’d like to see flashes of that player from time to time.
And let me clarify one thing when I say “physical”. You don’t have to crush people like Eager to play effectively physical, although that helps and adds another dimension. But when you’re a defensemen, particularly against a puck possession team like Detroit using your body to simply disrupt the momentum of the skaters, especially in the offensive zone is essential. Unlike every other sport played on non-ice surfaces, a player in motion can continue his momentum simply by gliding in hockey. When you take that advantage away from an offensive skater you give the next person who has the puck fewer options for passing and you give your defense a better chance of making a play. Campbell didn’t knock anyone’s teeth out against Detroit but he consistently took talented offensive players out of the play and when he had the opportunity he took the puck away with either the body or the stick and he was very effective.
More like that please.
by Scott13 on Nov 18, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Unbelievable!!!!!!!
I cant believe that I am reading this. To actually put people down for watching Campbell’s play and making the correct assessment on it. You my friend are not paying close enough attention. I am all for offensive defensemen, but he causes more goals against than he produces goals for. Come on. It’s not that he doesn’t hit, but that he is scarred to and shies away from the puck when one is coming. He has a nice shot from the point, but so do a ton of other guys. He puts the other defensemen at risk and it is few and far between when something actually comes of his little rushes that usually end up in him getting scarred and throwing the puck away. I have played defense my whole life and lead teams in points on many occasions, so I get what your saying, but Campbell is not the guy to be using as an example. Sorry to “bitch” but it is true
by Puckpowwow.com on Nov 18, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and Campbell is rarely on the PK.
by Puckpowwow.com on Nov 18, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
PP & PK Soupy
11/9 Vs. Kings PP 2:01 out of 6 Mins, 0 on PK
11/11 Vs. Ava PP :43 out of 4 Mins, 0 on PK
11/13 Vs. Leafs PP 3:17 out of 10 Mins, 0 on PK
11/15 Vs. Shks PP 2:50 out of 4 Mins, :25 on PK
Would appear your claim is true based on the last four games at the UC.
The stats just reinforce the fact that Campbell is not the player his salary states he should be. When GM’s sign players for such large amounts they place a burden on not just their own team but the whole league. I don’t think the Hawks can pass Soupy off on anyone in the NHL. Were stuck with him, might as well make the best of it… ugh
How many more days til Burish is back?
Brian Campbell SuckS!
by PJ-Blackhawk on Nov 18, 2009 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
PP & PK
Yeah. That Kane guy never gets any PK time either. He must be a real worthless piece of shit too.
by hoorock89 on Nov 18, 2009 11:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Campbell being a worthless piece of shit was never stated. You are taking our remarks way out of context. Is what is being said is that the Blackhawks are currently paying out 7.1 million a year for a defensiveman that is not playing at 7.1 mil/yr level. What does that mean? It means that he is taking away not only from the players that perform much greater game in and game out for a much lower dollar amount, but also the whole Chicago Blackhawks organization. I really don’t believe it is too much to ask a defensive player that is making 7.1 million a year to be rather stellar 3 our of 4 games on special teams, maybe I’d let it slip to 3 out of 5. Come on do you really think it’s too much to ask? Brain Campbell start taking hits, delivering them back, and playing an all around smarter game on the ice.
Btw the only "worthless piece of shit" was your nearly baseless comment, Thanks
How many more days til Burish is back?
Brian Campbell SuckS!
by PJ-Blackhawk on Nov 18, 2009 11:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Thats what I am trying to say. I just don’t understand this support for Campbell. He hurts this team.
by Puckpowwow.com on Nov 19, 2009 1:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
I don’t think anybody here would disagree with you when you say Soup is overpaid. I think this is common knowledge amongst Hawks fans…..he is not worth 7.1 mil/yr, that’s pretty obvious.
But if he’s so terrible, why was he such a commodity when he was a free agent? I think any team in the league would love to have Soup, just maybe not at his current salary. But there isn’t really anything the Hawks can do about that now, can they? So there isn’t really any point on bitching about how much he makes because that’s just how it’s going to be until he is no longer in Chicago.
If the Hawks could find a team willing to take that cap hit, and get a good return out of it, then I would be all for them trading him. I just don’t see how that’s going to happen.
So in the mean time, just accept him for the player he is. No he’s not overly physical, but just ask RJ Umberger how it feels when he does actually step into someone. He’s a lock for 45 assists and 55-ish points every year from the blue line….I’d say that’s a useful player to have.
by HawksFTW on Nov 19, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Scared.
He is scared. Not scarred. Maybe scurred? I guess you are correct in your assessment, and every GM in the league that would see him as an asset (that would be nearly every GM) is an idiot.
by illinikc33 on Nov 18, 2009 10:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, I get it! We’re complaining about our defensemen when we have the best even strength and best penalty kill in the league. Brilliant! Someone get me a Guiness.
by warrenjm2006 on Nov 19, 2009 8:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you guys let me know when you start the trade Hossa, he sucks mob. I’ve always wanted to be at the front of one of these movements.
Until then, my pitchfork and I will be over at windy city gridiron running Jay Cutler out of town.
by Kev623 on Nov 19, 2009 5:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What is the +1
is that the poor man’s Rec?
I’ve seen it before on bleed cubbie blue.
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
by hackerar on Nov 19, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s the “rec” for people who either don’t realize they can actually “rec” something.. or are just too lazy to do so..
by Matthew Dirt on Nov 19, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
or just agreement
I save the rec for the ones that show some genius or make me shoot beer out my nose when I read it
"Youuuu Suck, Mayyyyers!!"
by Tiocfaidh ar La on Nov 20, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the argument is that Campbell is worth his money because he QB’s the powerplay, riddle me this: why is our powerplay something that currently defies physics by both sucking and blowing at the same time?
by runningquicklynowhere on Nov 19, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The power play isn’t sucking because the Hawks can’t carry the puck through the neutral zone and break into the offensive zone.. which is most of what Campbell’s job is..
The power play has been poor because of just about everything else. I find it hard to pin it Campbell, especially now that it’s showing signs of life.
by Matthew Dirt on Nov 19, 2009 6:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How’s Dion Phaneuf doing these days?
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
by hawks61 on Nov 18, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Phadouche + Bouwmeester = $13.5 million/year
Thanks for the insight, but I’ll stick with Campbell. Phadouche isn’t even worthy of bringing into the conversation, while Bouwmeester and Campbell @ $7 mil apiece have played the same # of games this year and have the same number of points.
Oh yah, and then there was those playoffs last year when Jay went limp and Brian showed us why, exactly, anyone here pissed about his contract can eat a turd sandwich!
"Call Detroit, tell dem... BULLSHIT!"
by Hungryhawk on Nov 18, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lately, according to reports, Phanuef has been fighting with his coach more than the opposition. Looks like Brent Sutter and Dion haven’t been seeing eye-to-eye on many fronts.
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
by hawks61 on Nov 18, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jay wasn’t in the playoffs last year, hh.
by ChicoMaki on Nov 18, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well there ya have it!
"Call Detroit, tell dem... BULLSHIT!"
by Hungryhawk on Nov 18, 2009 6:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember
These numbers are all speculation, no one knows the numbers yet.
I truly believe Bowman won’t back the Hawks into a corner. I’m sure he’s got a few cards up his sleeve. He may already know buyers for Barker and Buff, maybe even Campbell to!
How many more days til Burish is back?
Brian Campbell SuckS!
by PJ-Blackhawk on Nov 17, 2009 6:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is what I assumed
6 for 5 years is what I pretty much assumed for Daydream Nation. More than Huet and less than Crosby was what was being reported. That’s what that is.
Keith is going to be interesting. I can’t wait to get the actual numbers on him.
When Bowman tried to pull the “Relax. I got this.” move, I assumed it was a way of saying, “Don’t worry. Kane, Toews, and Keith will all be back. You know your friends Buff, Barker, Sharp, Huet, and Campbell? Some of them might be going upstate to your uncle Ray’s farm.”
by DudeMcnude on Nov 17, 2009 6:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
My Uncle Ray lives in rural Alabama. Might not be a bad place to disappear some cap.
by meeshak on Nov 17, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's an anagram for "this?"
I think that’s what Stan really meant.
by the wolf on Nov 18, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good luck
On moving Soup. The Hawks are obviously going to be trading some people, either now or during the offseason. Buf and Barker would be the best bets to be moved I think, and really that should be close to enough.
Just estimates, but you gotta think Madden, Ladd, and Hammer would all be around 2.5 mil/yr. Burish and Eager won’t be much more than 1 mil/yr if even that. That’s 9.5 mil total between those 5 guys…..if the Hawks move Buf (3.375), Barker (3.083 or whatever), and Sopel (2.3 or something) that’s 8.75 right there.
They’re $750,000 short with them gone….maybe they move Skille? It’s pretty obvious he’s going nowhere in the Hawks system, maybe they let him move on?
by HawksFTW on Nov 17, 2009 6:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Madden, Ladd, Hammer
Madden’s current cap hit is $2,750,000
Ladd was $1,450,000 and $1,650,000 this season
Hammer was $1,644,000 last year and $1,666,000 now
Currently Ladd and especially Hammer are playing some good hockey this season but do they really command 2.5 mil/yr?
Would really like to see Madden signed to a two or three-year contact because I believe he has brought alot of experience and depth to this young Blackhawk team. I think were going to see alot of great achievements come out of our younger guys as a result of Madden’s presence on the team.
How many more days til Burish is back?
Brian Campbell SuckS!
by PJ-Blackhawk on Nov 17, 2009 7:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Scratch
those 1’s infront of Hammers numbers,
His numbers are $644,000 and $666,000
How many more days til Burish is back?
Brian Campbell SuckS!
by PJ-Blackhawk on Nov 17, 2009 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Those were totally made up figures, and probably even a bit on the high side just to show that it can be done with the money the Hawks have to spend.
I would expect Ladd and Hammer’s salaries to go up compared to what they’ve been making though….I’m pretty sure Ladd is still playing through his old Carolina contract which was signed when he was all potential and no production. Now he’s added that production so I think he might be looking in the 2.5 range. Hammer might re-sign closer to 1.5 or 2 but the Hawks are really high on him for good reason and his salary might creep up a tad.
I will gladly sell both of my arms if it helps the Hawks sign Madden to a 2 or 3 year contract.
by HawksFTW on Nov 17, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lord knows I love John Madden as much as the next guy
I just don’t know I’m ready to sign a 36-year old center to a multi-year deal.
FifthFeather.com
by El Duque's Raft on Nov 17, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I tend to agree
But Madden plays the type of game that normally works just fine for a 39 year old player. If the Hawks were depending on him for scoring I wouldn’t like a multi-year deal either but he can still win faceoffs and play defense at 39 I think.
by HawksFTW on Nov 17, 2009 7:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You mean playing a hard-checking game
while drawing the opposition’s toughest line? If it all it took was winning face-offs and playing defense at 39 years old, Yanic Perrault wouldn’t be coaching his local AAA team.
We should probably wait until the end of the season before we decide whether we can continue life without Madden.
FifthFeather.com
by El Duque's Raft on Nov 17, 2009 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think those numbers are a little high.
Especially once you start looking around at comparable players. I think Corey Perry’s and Ryan Getzlaf’s contracts are about where Kane and Toews should be. 5.325 cap hit for both of them.
by Spotacus on Nov 17, 2009 8:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm seeing
13 years for Keith and 5 or 6 for Kane and Toews. Wow.
by Slaky on Nov 17, 2009 8:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
As Steve Konroyd aptly describes...
…the NHL is fast becoming a league where the good teams have around 10 “core guys” that money is tied up in and rest of the roster a rotating mix of NHL nomads.
Suffice to say, some familar faces with the Blackhawks will be ex-members of the team by next offseason. Plus keep in mind the prevailing thought around the NHL is that the cap will be decreased by about $2 million to come in at around $55 million.
Madden, Buf, Burish, Eager, Barker, Ladd, maybe Versteeg…they don’t want to be buying real estate in Chicago anytime soon.
"Cubs will win 79 to 83 games." BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Nov 17, 2009 9:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Barker just bought a condo in Bucktown.
by Sportsgal on Nov 17, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Better now than 06.
I be on my green like Irish Spring.
by chrome on Nov 17, 2009 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Versteeg?
I hope we can find a way to keep him. If he leaves it will come back to haunt us.
by Puckpowwow.com on Nov 17, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, based on 55mil salary cap and a projected team salary
of 61.7 million We need to shed 6.7 million. Look at the farm system, we have Beach and Aliu, one of them will replace Buff (3 million) . Sopel (2.3 million) will be replaced by LaLonde- Hendry or Olsen (too early?). We are still short 1.5 million. Between the pipes the big question is does Huet stay or go?? We have two goalies comin up that jus might be NHL ready-Crawford-Fallon-Niemi-…Lookin at the Rockford lineup, we sill have cap shrinking talent comin up.
"Let 'em say all those nice things," he says, "but I know my mistakes, and I make plenty of them.-Bobby Orr
by taBruiser on Nov 18, 2009 6:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
uhhhhh
they just brought Alec Richards up from our ECHL affiliate because Crawford’s been failing between the pipes. NHL-ready? Think again.
by chiblackhawks on Nov 18, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really.....
then he’s gone
"Let 'em say all those nice things," he says, "but I know my mistakes, and I make plenty of them.-Bobby Orr
by taBruiser on Nov 18, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are one weird, funny dude
rec’d
by cliffkoroll on Nov 18, 2009 9:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol Bob LeDonne you are fucking brilliant man
by K_Dog on Nov 18, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I sure hope 5yrs at $6m each
is a lot higher than the actual numbers.
by chiblackhawks on Nov 17, 2009 11:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Relax guys
We knew before the season that a few of our “nice” players would have to go. It’s OK. Part of what makes them “nice” is that they are playing with the guys we are signing. These guys are our Lindstrom, Zetterberg, and Datsyuk. They make everyone around them better. Patrick Sharp, while a nice player, is nothing without Kane around. Versteeg is limited w/ defenses keying on him rather than Kane and Toews. Hossa will be unreal with Kane throwing him the puck. Keith is one of the best D men in the league, and we would do well to keep him back there for the rest of his career. Just roll with it. We have the talent down on the farm, a la Skille (to replace Sharp/Steeg) and Beach (to replace Buff). The world is not ending. Imagine what would be said if we didn’t sign one of these three to keep a combination of Madden/Steeg, Steeg/Sharp, Buff/Sharp, et al. on the roster. We’re basically giving up 2 of our “nice” players for a superstar. Act accordingly.
by illinikc33 on Nov 17, 2009 11:13 PM CST reply actions 8 recs
I wish this post could be on the front page.
Illini, this is the most reasonable response I’ve heard all over the internets. Thank you for having a brain. your post is REC’D!!!11111
by alpo on Nov 18, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
nice post….and to tell you the truth,i dont mind if Toews is getting paid more than Mike Richards…..Richards has been in the league longer than Toews,and is a bit older,so i think in a year or two Toews will have better numbers than Richards,if that is what you mean by saying Toews shouldn’t be making as much as Richards….plus i think Toews is already better on faceofffs…
Hopefully they get rid of Soupy,that way Sharp and versteeg dont have to be traded…
by csm on Nov 18, 2009 1:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Toews +8
Richards +1
"Call Detroit, tell dem... BULLSHIT!"
by Hungryhawk on Nov 18, 2009 2:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good call
i mean don’t get me wrong,i like richards and think he is a heck of a player,but the only category i see him currently better than Toews is that Richards has averaged a point a game the last 2 years….Toews high for goals in a season 35….Richards 30….and Richards has played 2 more seasons
by csm on Nov 18, 2009 7:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Richards is a stud, and I’d put him in the same conversation as Toews in almost every respect, and 80-point guy with unstoppable grit and guts. But unless we sign Toews for the same kind of term length, we won’t get him for the same kind of cap hit. The only reason Richards is “cheaper” is because of that long term contract.
by ChicoMaki on Nov 18, 2009 9:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Richards was signed Dec. 13. ‘07 – 12 years, $69 mil (5.75/year… assuming there’s no front-end loading). Essentially meaning Toews and Richards would be signing at the same point in their NHL careers, only Toews began his NHL career 2 years after Mike (& he’s 3 years younger). If the rumors are even remotely accurate, it’s not a huge discrepancy and as you point out, 5 years isn’t 12 years… though in this case, I wish it were. It’s a decent pair to compare.
"Call Detroit, tell dem... BULLSHIT!"
by Hungryhawk on Nov 18, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To pile on
Nice post. My only area of contention is that I think Versteeg is a part of that core that makes the others better. Like it’s been said many times this year, outside of Kane he’s been the second best at creating plays.
I can’t wait for the actual deal to be announced. 6 years of championship caliber players locked up in Chicago sounds pretty good. Especially to those of us who remember the Adrian Aucoin era.
by Lost In NC on Nov 18, 2009 6:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well thought out and didn't make my brain hurt
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Albert Einstein
by Novy on Nov 18, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the update
…are we jumping the gun, or is it all over but the fist-pumps and shoulder-kneading?
My gut says if there’s a grenade to fall on, Dunc’ll be the guy (eh, he’ll still be a multi-millionare). Going forward, Soup picks up all checks and buys expensive presents for Keith on all holidays (maybe a tasteful 1 lb. tree-shaped gold brooch for Arbor Day, for example.)
If these signings do happen, I have a question. Will this require the Hawks to make some roster moves this season, or can the whole thread be punted until June, or do we not know the answer to this?
Second, anti-Campbell sentiment seems to run pretty high outside of Chicago too, but hes been an important player on this year’s team.
by cliffkoroll on Nov 18, 2009 9:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The re-signings will have nothing to do with this season’s cap … they’re all extensions. So in the context of just these three anyway, nothing would need to be done until next October.
by ChicoMaki on Nov 18, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
So, I’m free to ignore the incessant wheelings and dealings of the legions of Hawk GMs out there for this season?
We like our people.
by cliffkoroll on Nov 18, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, it’s possible they’d make trades this season for contracts that would be expired at season’s end, but it’s not 100% necessary either. That said, you should probably ignore any and all trade speculation brought about anywhere on the internet, especially if it’s taken from Hockeybuzz.
by hawksfan21 on Nov 18, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So center the team around
Toews, Kane, Keith, Hossa, Bolland, and Seabs. Two centers, two wingers, and two defensmen.
I hear a lot of folks calling out Phantom but it isn’t his fault the Hawks overpaid him for what he does, he is what they expected and late last season and in the playoffs he proved that. Moving him will be near impossible, face the facts and just thank god he anchors your powerplay because if we didn’t have him bringing the puck up the ice and into the other team’s zone you’d be seeing that mediocre 18.06 PP pertcentage drop.
Buff is definitely going bye bye, I hope. Once again he is pulling that I only play when I feel like playing bullshit and it is frustrating. Brouwer has been playing better hockey than Buff and quite cheaper.
Cam Barker is my new whipping boy, lately I have begun to embrace Sopel more than Cam and his slow ass trying to recover from turning the puck over. He has to go, plain and simple. I believe Hjalms is far more valuable than Barker. If they are worried about losing him on the 2nd PP line because of his offensive talents and shot from the point they should take Seabrook and season him more, his slapshot is dirty and he has plenty of potential in my opinion to be solid on the PP. Jordan Hendry and Sopel (unless he is tradeable, which lately seems he is but he is playing damn good hockey) or Aaron Johnson. The 3rd line doesn’t see nearly as much ice time as Lines 1 and 2
With Steeger and Sharp it seemsl ike you can only keep one of them, so pick your poison but I think a name we are failing to mention is Ladd, he is a bigger deal than a lot of people lead on.
Eager, as much as I have a slight man crush on him can be easily let go. After watching Bickell play hard against the Sharks I have confidence that he and Skille and possibly Beach can easily subsiide some bleeding that occurs with the loss of a few good, not great players.
jt
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Nov 18, 2009 9:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
the Core
So center the team around Toews, Kane, Keith, Hossa, Bolland, and Seabs. Two centers, two wingers, and two defensmen.
Campbell is your biggest cap hit and will continue to be until 2016. IF he isn’t going anywhere, then he is included in that core group. Whether people do or don’t like what Campbell brings to the table is irrelevant, he is the part of the core on contract dollars and term alone.
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
by hackerar on Nov 18, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok
then throw Campbell in there too. With one of the other wingers they don’t want to part with. I was just naming our top two players at each position.
jt
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Nov 18, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we don't have aaron johnson anymore, fyi
But I agree with the core of Toews, Kane, Keith, Hossa, Bolland, and Seabs. Campbell for cap purposes too. These are the guys we’ll be seeing down the road and really, this is as good as it gets.
by chiblackhawks on Nov 18, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
guys its going to be sharp...
they have been trying to trade him for a while. And I believe Barker along with Skille. I really. Regardless If they want to win the cup they need to atleast keep some players untill the end of season, then let them go.
by redtribe14 on Nov 18, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If I must, I will.
Sharp is going absolutely nowhere as he still has another year left on one of the best bargain deals in this cap-era at $3.9 million per season for a sniper that can play all positions and situations. Trust me when I say this he’s will be one of the last in terms of options that ‘Hawks will be willing to part with before the 2010-2011 season commences. Same goes with Skille as he is a cheaper replacement for Vertseeg, who will most likely be dealt for 1) he’s replaceable within this line-up and 2) he will command a hefty return in a trade.
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
by hawks61 on Nov 18, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for saying this
So that I didn’t have to. Though Skille “replacing” Versteeg is kind of a reach, just given what the two players skill sets are.
www.secondcityhockey.com
It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.
by McClure on Nov 18, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No problem.
I totally agree with you that replacing Versteeg with Skille may be stretch at this moment but someone is going to be removed from this line-up.
In fairness to Skille he hasn’t received the quality of ice-time in Chicago that his skill-set deserves and probably won’t again this season with the ‘Hawks cap issues.
It isn’t a stretch though to think that Skille could progess with his developement next season the way Brouwer has this season.
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
by hawks61 on Nov 18, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i dont see
skille replacing steeger,i think steeger is a little more talented,granted i haven’t seen much of skille because he hasnt had much of a chance yet…..i wouldn’t like to see Sharp or steeger leave,get rid of Buff and Barker
by csm on Nov 18, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I really
think Keith and Seabs will be playing on the same line for a very long time, which would be great. They are going to have to make something happen and they will. I have faith in the Blackhawks brass, haha.
jt
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Nov 18, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to the Sopel bandwagon!
I realize folks think he makes too much, but he plays a solid positional game. He’s also been getting the puck to the net every chance he gets. SUperstar? No. But Catfish (thanks puckjim) has had a season of what we expected.
"Youuuu Suck, Mayyyyers!!"
by Tiocfaidh ar La on Nov 18, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I also
noticed he is damn good at shot blocking.
jt
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Nov 18, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
YEP.
No flamingo for sure.
"Youuuu Suck, Mayyyyers!!"
by Tiocfaidh ar La on Nov 18, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great time to be a 'Hawks fan or what?
After years of trading away or walking them out the front door the ‘Hawks have finally decided to sign their core stars to long-term deals, isn’t this what all ’Hawks fans have wanted over the years? With all the great players that have played for the indianhead only 3 have basically started and ended their careers as a member of the ’Hawks. Now we can add a 4th to that list with the apparent Keith signing.
Great post by illinikc33, which summed everything up quite nicely. Relax people this is really a exciting thing that is happening here, something as a longtime ‘Hawks fan I could only dream of a few miserable years back when even our home games were blacked out. This is more about who is staying for the long-term, not who is going by season’s end. Remember the past and now look at the events unfolding today and there lies the answer to how important these signings are.
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
by hawks61 on Nov 18, 2009 10:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
What is this buying out Campbell and the CBA jargon I am hearing
Is that option even feasible?
jt
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Nov 18, 2009 10:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
from a couple days ago
For a buy out you have to pay the contract out but you can double the length of the deal, reducing the payments to half of what he’s being paid now.
It still counts against the cap too.
Pullled this from Matthew Dirt’s post (which wouldn’t link properly).
So we’d pay campbell like 3.6 mil a year till like 2023……to not be on the team.
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
by hackerar on Nov 18, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh
I was hearing 2.33 a year, which is not too shabby but seems worthless.
jt
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Nov 18, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I might be wrong, but couldn’t they only double what is left. So he’s owed 7.2 (or close to)/year for the next 5 years, then if we did a buyout we’d pay 3.6/year for the next 10 years, so we’d be taking a cap hit of like 3.6 mil/year till 2020 for noone. Otherwise I thik we’re paying an extra 7.2 mil to a ghost.
Splitting hairs, but I’ve tried really hard to understand the buyout section of the cba.
by Kev623 on Nov 18, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea
Because losing 3.6 mil a year for the next ten years is a great idea.
wait what?
by pepe126 on Nov 18, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I never said it was, I was just stating what it would be as I understand it.
by Kev623 on Nov 18, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why we’re still paying Curtis Brown this year.
by warrenjm2006 on Nov 19, 2009 8:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good god would it suck to finally end the payments on that only to take it over with someone else.
by Matthew Dirt on Nov 19, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Richards is paid less because
The Flyers were able to sign him to a longer deal. They would pay him more during his prime years per year than Toews will for the next 5 years, but his contract is structured so that he is paid substantially less when he hits 30. The blackhawks can’t to a deal like that with campbell on the books. So if it is a 5 year deal, then they are just waiting till campbell leaves before they can afford to sign them to longer term deals. with lower cap hits.
"It takes brains. It's not like a forward, where you can get away with scoring and not play defense. On defense you have to be thinking." - Chris Chelios
by crosscheckyou on Nov 18, 2009 10:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I understand that
he signed like a 12 or 13 year deal,or at least i think it was something along those lines,I’m just sayin,i wouldn’t mind if Toews would be makin Richards kind of money,i think he is worth it
by csm on Nov 18, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
He is worth it. My opinion? He is worth it. Definitely worth it. Is he worth this much? Yes. He is.
"Call Detroit, tell dem... BULLSHIT!"
by Hungryhawk on Nov 18, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok...I made up my mind.....
moving Buff, Barker and Sopel……poss Eager.
How old is “Ernie” Ladd?
"Let 'em say all those nice things," he says, "but I know my mistakes, and I make plenty of them.-Bobby Orr
by taBruiser on Nov 18, 2009 11:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
answers
Ladd is only 23. Seems older, but he’s not.
Moving Eager doesn’t gain you much, unless he wants an unreasonable amount of money on his next contract.
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
by hackerar on Nov 18, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok..... keeping Eager
me happy
"Let 'em say all those nice things," he says, "but I know my mistakes, and I make plenty of them.-Bobby Orr
by taBruiser on Nov 18, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I might have to take a break from the boards for a couple of weeks. The deals haven’t even been announced and my eyes may have already permanently crossed. Hope Bob LeDonne was telling the truth when he said he was on this.
by ChicoMaki on Nov 18, 2009 11:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
this is what happens
when the hawks have a few consecutive days off. Imagine the ridiculousness that is going to ensue during the olympic break.
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
by hackerar on Nov 18, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would hope since our boys will likely be well represented we’d have Olympic hockey to discuss… but that’s pie in the sky thinking, isn’t it?
by hawksfan21 on Nov 18, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of the olympics
ESPN Canadian and US pics.
Buccigross
LeBrun and Burnside – Canada
LeBrun and Burnside – US
Dunc, Toews, and Kane seem to be locks. Jury is still out on Seabrook and Byfuglien.
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
by hackerar on Nov 18, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What about Slovakia (Hossa)...
…and will France (Huey) be fielding a team?
by cliffkoroll on Nov 18, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There will be no French team, and both Hossa and Kopecky will play for Slovakia. And they’ll both probably be on the first line.
by warrenjm2006 on Nov 19, 2009 8:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too...
…guys it’s in Hi, I’m Bob LeDonne’s hands.
Instead of a pointless roster-shuffling discussion,can we move this to a pointless line-shuffling discussion?
I’ll go first.
I thought Kane and Hossa both preferred RW.
Patrick Sharp as #2 center. Discuss.
by cliffkoroll on Nov 18, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure on point one you are correct.
Sharpy can do the job. Last year at the dot he was 45.8%, which was actually better than Bolland’s avg, who was at 44.4%. Even this year he hasn’t started off too shabby winning 11/18.
by Delta0ne1 on Nov 18, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Does Hossa shoot left or right? Because isn’t there a preferred wing to shoot from depending on if you shoot left or right?
by hawksfan21 on Nov 18, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Left
Hossa’s a natural RW, but he’s played LW in the past. with OTT when Alfredsson was manning the RW slot. Not sure of the breakdown of how many games he’s played at LW as I don’t know of any site that actively charts those splits. As for “which is preferred”, it usually just depends on the player’s preference. Kane and Ladd both shoot left and they play RW and LW respectively.
by Crease Monkey on Nov 18, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Guys, there is no one here more then me that wants Sharp and Steeger to stay...
I hope they work something out, I really do. Right now my least favorite is Barker, to many turn overs and get caught in to many 3 on 1’s or 2 on 1’s that he created by losing the puck. Steeger shows some brillence with his skates.
by redtribe14 on Nov 18, 2009 11:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Everybody WANTS Sharp and Versteeg to stay
If keeping the current lineup intact for the next five years was an option, I think just about everyone here would want that.
by Lost In NC on Nov 18, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone worried
tha Keith Seabrook and Toews and Kane,if chosen for the Olympic games,will be too fatigued for the rest of the season,and assuming they make the playoffs?
by csm on Nov 18, 2009 11:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
not really
every other playoff team will have a handful of players on olympic rosters
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
by Illini0509 on Nov 18, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Also, look at the rosters. The Canadian team will be completely stacked, so there is a good chance that if they are called to play, they won’t see as many min.
by Delta0ne1 on Nov 18, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a very good point.
"Call Detroit, tell dem... BULLSHIT!"
by Hungryhawk on Nov 18, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
saw toews listed as the projected 4th line center
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
by Illini0509 on Nov 18, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Goodbye to Byfuglien, Sopel, Huet, and?
These signings are great news for the obvious, and not so obvious reasons. I tend to believe that Byfuglien will be eating his last Italian beef in Chicago this year. He is overated, overpaid, and underperforms. I personally like Sopel and think he has done a great job this year, but at the current price of the contract, he must go. I think the Hawks going deep into the playoffs, and hopefully winning the Cup, will make Huet a more attractive sell. Although he has been playing well, we paid a huge premium for him that can’t be justified. That leads me to the debate about Baker. I think he is going to be a very good defensemen in this league, who compliments Keith, Seabrook, and Hjalmarsson very well. We’d be better off shedding Cambell’s salary and using it to resign Barker and Ladd. Also, we need to keep Eager for some protection, especially since he can play too. I hate to say this, but Sharp could also be on the block if his production doesn’t significantly improve. I hope this isn’t true, but the numbers game doesn’t care about feelings…
by Monty17 on Nov 18, 2009 12:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If we shed Sopel (2.3 mil), Bufferoni (3 mil and Huet(5.625 mil)
then we are ….at roughly 51 million of the anticipated 55 million salary cap.(per TSN columun). How much more is Barker and Ladd gonna need to stay?
"Let 'em say all those nice things," he says, "but I know my mistakes, and I make plenty of them.-Bobby Orr
by taBruiser on Nov 18, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
*facepalms*
Barker’s already signed, guys. Remember the RFA Debacle of ’09?
Your bandwagon is showing.
by chiblackhawks on Nov 18, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
First of all...
Why on earth would you trade Cristobal Huet? There aren’t any goalies on the market who are:
a) available
b) better
c) less of a cap hit
Forget it. He’s your goalie for the next 2 and change. Live with it.
I think that, after this season, there will be teams willing to pay $2.3MM for a year of Brent Sopel. The Blackhawks will probably be among them.
Guys like Ladd are tough calls, because there are guys in the Hawks’ system capable of doing what he does for less.
At this point, Byfuglien is playing fourth line, and you don’t pay $3MM/per for fourth liners. You also don’t pay $3MM for third-pair defensemen (like Barker).
Sassone’s rumor of the Hawks pulling Corvo and Cullen from the ‘Canes for Barker and possibly Buff makes life and breathing easier for everyone, if it comes to fruition. The Hawks don’t lose anything immediately, and they gain $5MM of cap space once the season is over.
No sense in worrying about any of this until we see the actual numbers for The Three.
Also, at that point, I can retire the nickname “The Three”.
HOCKEENIGHT.COM...home of FRIDAY NIGHT FIGHTS and the HOCKEENIGHT PUCKCAST!!!
by Forklift14 on Nov 18, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's asinine
To just go down the list of the top paid players and assume that as soon as they have an off night they are gonna get moved. You don’t just snap your fingers and voila, the Hurricanes take Huet/Campbell/Sopel/Buff off our hands. Also, sticking whichever down in RFD isn’t an option either, as Rocky loves the Hawks but isn’t going to toss 3+ million out the window to circumvent the cap. Just because he ships the booze to you doesn’t mean he’s drunk.
by AirTrafficAJ on Nov 18, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And BTW
I really like Campbell and Huet, and am not in favor of moving either one.
by AirTrafficAJ on Nov 18, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding
It’s always amazing that it seems like it’s as easy as “Oh well just find someone to take Sopel’s and Campbell’s contracts, trade Huet for a ‘real’ goaltender, and then there you go!” to most people, and this goes for all Chicago sports. Maybe we’re dealing with 12 year olds (you never can tell on the internets), but I really don’t think so. I really think people are just completely incapable of logical reasoning or any objective mindset. It’s quite annoying. These boards re: topics like this get old really quickly when you have clowns pining for the moving of Campbell and Huet. Newsflash: it’s not going to happen. 60% of this team is expendable, and you know what, I’m OK with that. Better than talking about how we lost Kane to Buffalo.
by illinikc33 on Nov 18, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Habs just lost Gionta to a broken foot
The Habs need offense badly, and if the reports are true and Gionta goes on LTIR, $5MM comes of their cap.
I say Huet and Versteeg for Gill and Halak. Saves us $5MM in cap right there.
Halak is (a) more available now with problems on the team in general (b) sorry…better © only making $775K for this and next year.
by Return of the Roar on Nov 18, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gill's been out for a while too, fyi
Thank god you’re not our GM.
by chiblackhawks on Nov 18, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Two to three weeks
Vision buddy – vision.
by Return of the Roar on Nov 19, 2009 12:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where do people
come up with this rubbish? I honestly cannot fathom the thought process. Please, I would love some in-depth analysis of why either team would remotely consider this seemingly random trade. Please, do tell.
by illinikc33 on Nov 18, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Habs are in trouble
They need offense – we need a goalie to backup/bailout Frenchy.
by Return of the Roar on Nov 19, 2009 12:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There might be a problem with bringing in Halak considering that his agent is Alan Walsh. That’s right, Martin Havlat’s agent that had his client badmouth the organization (on twitter no less) after he wasn’t resigned. He was also Aaron Johnson’s agent as well. See the connection! Now go back to the hockeybuzz and bring us some more ‘never going to happen ever’ hockey rumours.
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
by hawks61 on Nov 18, 2009 6:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, not a rumor
Merely a suggestion. And I don’t read Ek – he’s a hack.
Business is business, and teams need what they need.
by Return of the Roar on Nov 19, 2009 12:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would Montreal want to pay Huet what we're paying him?
They didn’t want to two years ago, why would they pay it now for him to backup Price?
If we’re just throwing out random shit, how about this:
Sopel, Barker, Buff and Huet to Vancouver for,
Luongo, Kessler, Salo, and Burrows.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Nov 18, 2009 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To get some offense
Price is not ready to be #1 yet. Huet can be #1 for them and take some pressure off of the kid.
My relatively innocent suggestion iis all predicated of course on the presumption that Gionta and his $5MM a year go away if he is on LTIR.
If not, not an option then.
Time for all of you fanboys to take a chill pill.
by Return of the Roar on Nov 19, 2009 1:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One point being ignored here...
Hal Gill is not good at hockey.
HOCKEENIGHT.COM...home of FRIDAY NIGHT FIGHTS and the HOCKEENIGHT PUCKCAST!!!
by Forklift14 on Nov 19, 2009 9:14 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
This.
Wins.
twitter.com/BlackhawksDL
by Original Six on Nov 19, 2009 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you argument lacks
because if Huet is appealing to other teams, enough so that they would trade a great prospect at that position (which is what Halak is…not nearly where Huet is) and make him their number one, why would the Hawks so desperately need to get rid of him? hmmmm…. Not to mention that Halak does NOT IMPROVE our goalie situation. You’re worried about going to the playoffs with Huet, but would be willing to take an untested kid in? Everyone needs to stuff Sopel’s socks in it for a bit on the trades. Not going to happen right now.
by Kevin Kujawa on Nov 19, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Habs are unique
They have TWO great goalie prospects in Price and Halak, and do not need both. I would submit that Halak is the more seasoned and effective of the two, and would certainly not play worse than Huet. I would rather have someone who costs us $775K a year than $5.6MM a year.
Why would we so desperately need to get rid of Huet? CAP ROOM…….
Why might Montreal want to spend the cash on Huet? Gionta’s injury may create the cap room to not only get a seasoned homey to play goal, but also to get some badly needed offense. Gainey needs to make a move or two for his own hide’s sake.
Just thinking out loud is all. It’s not about Huet bashing. He has actually played very well lately (we’ll see how the road trip treats him). It’s about the cap.
by Return of the Roar on Nov 19, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Halak is better than Huet?
You’d think if that were true, he’d be starting ahead of Trainwreck up in Montreal.
HOCKEENIGHT.COM...home of FRIDAY NIGHT FIGHTS and the HOCKEENIGHT PUCKCAST!!!
by Forklift14 on Nov 19, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you knew a little more
About Gainey’s boner for Price, you would understand why Halak is not starting. The Edmonton paper is now reporting that Halak wants to be traded or he will definitely go UFA elsewhere at the end of his contract.
by Return of the Roar on Nov 20, 2009 6:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're absolutely right.
I don’t know about Gainey’s boner for Price.
I also don’t know about Price’s nightly habits, largely brought about by the Canadiens deciding to do everything but hang his number in the rafters once he showed a little promise.
Look – Gainey can have a boner for more than 4 hours if he wants to, but he also knows the folks up there won’t tolerate this shitty hockey too much longer.
You say Halak is better than Huet. I’m not even sure he’s better than Niemi.
But then again, what do I know?
HOCKEENIGHT.COM...home of FRIDAY NIGHT FIGHTS and the HOCKEENIGHT PUCKCAST!!!
by Forklift14 on Nov 20, 2009 7:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Corvo and Cullen Trade is a Great Idea!
That would be an amazing trade for us! We would get an offensive defenseman with a unbelievable shot and a Stanley Cup winner who can kill penalties, take faceoffs, and chip in the odd goal or two. We could shed major salary too if we can throw Campbell in there instead of Barker.
by Monty17 on Nov 19, 2009 10:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OT
I hope we don’t lose Ladder in a month.
by the wolf on Nov 18, 2009 2:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Somehow I think that ‘Hipcheck16’ isn’t Ladd and is merely a coincedence. I’d like to think that Ladd is more of a bully on the ice rather than the internet.
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
by hawks61 on Nov 18, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t imagine that would need clarifying, but there it was.
by ChicoMaki on Nov 18, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know you were but considering how things have gone downhill lately based upon a senseless rumour I felt I needed to clarify just in case it started a “OMG Ladd is a internet bully!!!” debate.
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
by hawks61 on Nov 18, 2009 6:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So you’re saying Ladd is an internet bully?
by warrenjm2006 on Nov 19, 2009 8:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what if instead of a salary cap it became a salary stove-pipe hat?
by SLoop on Nov 18, 2009 4:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Since its hockey
we are talkin about,shouldn’t it be called the salary hockey helmet?for football salary football helmet,salary cap for baseball because they wear caps,and salary headband for basketball players….Wow….can’t believe i am this bored,no hockey for a few days and i start ramblin like an idiot…..LOL!
by csm on Nov 19, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do I admire Detroit?
The word "Worth" is not relevant in today’s salary cap world. Saying a player can garner X million for a season of play is only for a team in desperate need of a player. If your desperate for a player your not a cup contender. Year in and year out Detroit has sold the "Win the Stanley Cup philosophy" to players instead of giving out the maximum X million. They give players the choice, make X million or win the Cup.
Credit goes to Ram09 on TSN for this one.
How many more days til Burish is back?
Brian Campbell SuckS!
by PJ-Blackhawk on Nov 18, 2009 4:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Uhh
I think players will take the max X million and get a chance to win the Cup. Like, you know, this guy Hossa I’ve been hearing about.
by illinikc33 on Nov 18, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
isn't that the same guy
that took a one year offer from detroit for a (seemingly) better shot at winning the cup? not to say you’re wrong (hossa’s obviously got both), but from time to time, a few players sacrifice max financial gain for a shot at the cup.
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
by Illini0509 on Nov 18, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well the hawks left today
and since there’s been no announcement so far, just lots of rumors, i’m sure they won’t announce it on the road, so best guess is at the end of december.
by heyrocky on Nov 18, 2009 4:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'll be waiting at the airport!!
"Let 'em say all those nice things," he says, "but I know my mistakes, and I make plenty of them.-Bobby Orr
by taBruiser on Nov 18, 2009 4:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Swedes are funny
especially when they think they are Ovechkin
by Crease Monkey on Nov 18, 2009 5:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What the hell
does that have to do with our serious discussions about cap hits and possible trades? There’s no place for humor in Hawks Nation now!
by meeshak on Nov 18, 2009 10:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
That’s almost Failblog-worthy. “Goal Celebration Fail”
The power play is still f**king clown shoes
by HappyHuman on Nov 19, 2009 12:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now hockeybuzz
is claiming that they are not that close to a deal with Keith….dum dum dum dum duuuuuummmmmm!!!!!…..the rest of the people there are already lickin their chops hopin to get Keith,i dont think its gonna happen though,so dream on!!!Keith has to stay,Hawks management isn’t that dumb…..and besides,this is hockey buzz reporting it,they are bunch o deuches :)
by csm on Nov 18, 2009 6:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
A compelling argument can be made that Duncan Keith should not be retained beyond a certain salary
Keith is a very fine player, but…. There has to be a limit on what you pay him., And if a deal can’t be struck, then you shake his hand and say goodbye for the good of the franchise.
For as fine a player as Keith is, saying he is a top 3 defenseman in the NHL is silly. Certainly I hope we never lose him, but it wouldn’t be on parallel with a Detroit losing a Datsyuk in his prime. Keith is talented, but Keith is also an over-achiever. You don’t blow away your salary structure to pay an over-achiever who plays defense. You just don’t.
"Cubs will win 79 to 83 games." BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Nov 18, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Being an
over-achiever is a bad thing?
wait what?
by pepe126 on Nov 18, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
cf Pete Rose
…the ability to sustain peak performance is a talent no less than size, quickness, vision, etc.
These boards are filled with moaning about inconsistent play- the fact is, most players (especially wingers, part of the reason why they are wingers) are guilty of this- it’s part of the human condition.
Keith has this rare ability (on the Hawks, mebbe Toews and Madden do too).
by cliffkoroll on Nov 19, 2009 8:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Silly?
Help me out, with a “top of head” list of a half dozen d-men you’d take over Howlin’ Wolf (cf superstitions- just throwin’ it out there) today.
by cliffkoroll on Nov 19, 2009 8:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Careful...
I have healthy man-love for Keith, but if you threw every DMan in the NHL into a hat and let me pick 6, would Keith really be in there?
Really?
HOCKEENIGHT.COM...home of FRIDAY NIGHT FIGHTS and the HOCKEENIGHT PUCKCAST!!!
by Forklift14 on Nov 19, 2009 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps not..
but if you had to keep all D-Pairs together… would Keith and Biscuit be in the top 3? I’d say that’s possible.
by Matthew Dirt on Nov 20, 2009 12:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say...
That’s 100%.
HOCKEENIGHT.COM...home of FRIDAY NIGHT FIGHTS and the HOCKEENIGHT PUCKCAST!!!
by Forklift14 on Nov 20, 2009 7:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I'm just asking for names
Who would you rather have going forward from today? Cripes, he’s practically a point a game guy this year. Ridiculous.
by cliffkoroll on Nov 20, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Going Forward?
Maybe Bogosian, Doughty, Hedman, Weber, Myers…maybe even Schenn, once is head is screwed on straight.
Although, I’d be perfectly happy to have Keith prove me wrong, but I keep thinking there’s a bunch of guys who will prevent him from ever winning a Norris.
HOCKEENIGHT.COM...home of FRIDAY NIGHT FIGHTS and the HOCKEENIGHT PUCKCAST!!!
by Forklift14 on Nov 21, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the thoughts...
….big and young. Your list seems to fit better with a rebuilding strategy though. My own list sorta begins and ends with Chara, but I’m willing to be convinced otherwise.
Arguably, Keith is just entering his peak years (26, cf Walter Payton, Alexander the Great, et al), although those guys weren’t defensemen, who apparently age gracefully.
Lidstrom has won 6 Norris’s- the first when he was 31! Other active Norris winners are Chara (32 when he won), Niedermeyer ( 31), Pronger (26), and Blake (28). Incidentally, all of these guys outpointed Keith last year (he was 20th), an indication of what Norris voters may like.
In between the young-uns you mentioned (who may not bloom for five years, Weber and Doughty aside) and the grizzled veterans above are Keith’s contemporaries:
Green, Kronwall, Wideman, Phaneuf, Suter, Bouwmeester. Of these, Green is the only one I’d consider over Keith. Phaneuf’s a big hitter e.g. but I’ve seen enough of him to know Keith’s better. Ditto Weber.
Keith is cutting loose this year on offense, due to Bisquik’s development, while holding down the #2 PK in the league.
I guess there are 3 different questions on the table here:
1. Where does Keith rank among current NHL defernsemen?
2. Who would you swap him for considering the Hakws trajectory (next five years being key)?
3. Will he ever win a Norris?
To my mind, the most relevant question here is the second. My considered answer at this point is probably Chara, maybe Green (though his role is more Campbell-esque), probably not anyone else.
So, back to the original question: is it silly to even consider Keith among the top-3 defensemen in the league? I don’t think so. He may not be top 3, but he’s in the discussion, right?
Again, thanks for indulging me on the topic.
by cliffkoroll on Nov 22, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Answers
1. Top ten, for sure. If he keeps his current offensive output up, this entire conversation becomes moot, as he’ll be a Norris finalist.
2. The Hawks’ trajectory is right now. I wouldn’t trade Keith for anyone. If I were building a team from scratch, that might be another story.
3. See #1.
HOCKEENIGHT.COM...home of FRIDAY NIGHT FIGHTS and the HOCKEENIGHT PUCKCAST!!!
by Forklift14 on Nov 22, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
reading this
makes me just want to drop my head onto my keyboard as hard as possible.
by runningquicklynowhere on Nov 19, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Keith is a top 10 defensemen in the NHL
It might be bold saying this, but he is. I think he’ll make the Canadian Olympic team and star during the tournament. He is not easily replaced, so paying a premium for him is worth it.
by Monty17 on Nov 19, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
his is hockey buzz reporting it,they are bunch o deuches
So thank you for reporting it to us in return, then.
by hawksfan21 on Nov 18, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Patrick Sharp, Kris Versteeg
These are the two most notable names who will probably be traded out of necessity prior to next season. The “core” of this team will be Kane, Toews, Keith, Campbell, Hjalmarsson, Seabrook, Hossa….the rest of the players around them will be NHL nomads and kids getting opportunity from the minors. That is the way the NHL salary cap will force the issue for every upper echelon franchise.
It will absolutely suck to lose Sharp, but then again I thought the same about Marty Havlat too. I guess if I think with my head more than my heart then I recognize that Sharp is replaceable in the grand scheme of things.
"Cubs will win 79 to 83 games." BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Nov 18, 2009 9:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I love Hammer too,
but considering him a “core” player is just not going to happen. He’s having a good year and had a great playoffs last year, but let’s not go too crazy. The relationship will be over if we say ‘i love you’ first.
by Kevin Kujawa on Nov 19, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I swear
all of this worrying about who is gonna get traded,and who is gonna stay is giving me a massive headache!!!i wonder how Bowman and McDonough feel….LOL!!
Any news on Hossa returning?what are they sayin,next week?maybe the SJ game or the Anaheim game?
by csm on Nov 19, 2009 5:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hossa Return
They are saying the San Jose game. Which happens to be the exact date the doctors predicted when he got his surgery
by Northside_Dan on Nov 19, 2009 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
EKLUND REPORTING
That he finally learned to wipe his own ass this morning.
That is all.
twitter.com/BlackhawksDL
by Original Six on Nov 19, 2009 9:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
who has been wiping it up to now?
Possible candidates are:
A.Tallon
B. Savard
C.Yawney
D. Eric Daze
"Let 'em say all those nice things," he says, "but I know my mistakes, and I make plenty of them.-Bobby Orr
by taBruiser on Nov 19, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
An unnamed source
has been wiping his ass for the last 45 years. I’ve been hearing that 29 NHL teams have inquired about the position. I’d put it at an e4 right now.
twitter.com/BlackhawksDL
by Original Six on Nov 19, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
Latest Puck Daddy - NHL from Yahoo! Sports
- Evgeni Nabokov puts his name in the Vezina race
- Puck Daddy chats with Brandon Yip about life as a rookie, his first NHL game, Colorado’s success this season and the upcoming Olympics
- Puck Headlines: Getzlaf ankle worry; Quick's Olympic mask
- Versus: 'Not optimistic' DirecTV deal in place by playoffs
- Fight Video: Jody Shelley's right hand defeats Orr
Certain photos copyright © 2010 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
