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Agoraphobia Comes To Chicago: Hawks 1 - Sabres 2

One of the few times Tim Kennedy wasn't taking a dive.

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One of the few times Tim Kennedy wasn't taking a dive.

Specifically, the Hawks seem to have a fear of the open space between the posts.  It's obviously a phase, as the Hawks can't keep throwing 40 shots at the net per game and keep coming out with one or two goals.  At the same time, you can't ignore that the Hawks haven't put up more than 3 goals in a game since administering Catherine The Great's Death to the Sharks in San Jose.  The last thing anyone expected this team to struggle with was scoring.  It's hardly panic time about it, barely worry time.  You get the feeling some poor team is really going to pay when the Hawks bust out of it.

The 1st period tonight looked a lot like the 1st period Wednesday night.  That would be the Hawks mauling the opponent like McClure hitting on a girl.  They were everywhere, and how they didn't manage to score is anyone's guess.  It's not a matter of not having anyone in front, they did that.  It can't be getting too cute because when you have 17 shots in a period, a lot of them good ones, you must be doing something right.  Turning point was the 4-on-3 power play.  The Hawks power play standing masks the fact that it still isn't very good.  For a team like this, a 4-on-3 should border on an automatic goal.  I question why not one of the Hawks two best PP d-men, Barker or Campbell, weren't on the ice.  Both have better shots than the Marlboro 72, and both are better passers.  Somehow, Coach Q has convinced himself that one quarter season of scoring now means that Keith is a better power play QB than Campbell, which is almost laughable.  But that's not why the Hawks lost.  Just a point to be made.

On the few shots Huet saw in the 1st, that nasty rebound habit became evident again.  You got the feeling that one of them would come home to roost.  And it did with Sharp sitting in the box after getting called for a hold, exacerbated by one of the many Sabres' journeys to their ass.  Get up already.  Vanek was able to outmuscle Hammer, and there you go.  The second goal looked like a bad bounce off someone's chest, and I was a little surprised it didn't warrant the least review as it never hit a stick on the way to the net.  C'est la vie.  The Hawks were punished for getting sloppy in their own end, and turning off the engines once again, an annoying habit of theirs.

When they turned them back on again, they were again turning the HSBC Center into an alligator fuckhouse.  The Sabres couldn't touch the puck.  Sharp was able to pot after Kane benefited from Buff's one cogent shift of the night.  There's always one.

There were some chances after that, but Lalime made the stops.  Winning in Buffalo was always going to be tough, so it's not disaster.  But it was there for the taking, and you can't leave too many points out there when you were the better team.  We'll let it go this time.

Notes:

-If you're not going to use Campbell to run your power play, what is he for, then?  What is Q trying to prove?  I love Keith as much as the next guy, but watch how many passes bounce off his stick at the critical moment.  He's simply not a premier power play QB, yet, and there's one sitting on the bench.  It's kind of baffling.

-Why were Sabres fans booing Campbell?  He was TRADED.  He didn't leave voluntarily, and all he did was play his ass of there for eight years.  I expect idiocy from San Jose fans who don't know any better, but Sabres fans are some of the most knowledgeable around.

-The 3rd period was Kane in "fuck you" mode.  Let's hope more arenas boo him regularly.

-May have been Hossa's best game as a Hawks, and he didn't get on the scoresheet.

-Oh no, the ohmygodohmygodohmygodohfuck Troy Brouwer is back

Player of The Game

It's Patrick Lalime, but I'm too lazy to find a picture.  So imagine one.

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lol @ the picture

Yet another in the “Toews Weird Face” photo series

The power play is still f**king clown shoes

by HappyHuman on Dec 11, 2009 9:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Getting annoyed with this taking this ONE GOAL thing a little too far.

Why or how did the ‘Hawks get to this point? Not to make excuses but it seems to be an epidemic across the league, but why? To many games in a compact schedule perhaps? Maybe, but I hardly think so. As I posted during the game thread I can’t recall any ’Hawks team going through this type of goal-scoring drought which has reached to 7 out of 9 scoring 1 goal or less.

- Don’t understand the booing of Campbell either. It’s like the ‘Hawks fans booing Havlat as both left their respective clubs due to lack of salary cap space. It wasn’t his fault that Regier matched Edmonton’s ridiculous offer on Vanek at $7M for 7 years or the departure of Briere. Don’t understand that one bit.

-Campbell should be on the PP at every opportunity. If Torchetti is the guy running the PP then he should be removed of his duties immediately. How else can anyone explain how a team this loaded with offensive capabilities be that enept on the man advantage.
Furthermore, why is Byfuglien and Brouwer out on the PP together? Should they not be on seperate units considering they do the exact same thing offensively. Ditto with Barker and Campbell. Continuously putting Sharp on the point on the PP is basically tempting fate with it eventually leading to a SHGA.

-Kopecky on the top line FML! Q you can’t be serious with that one? Take one of those smelling salts the players pass around and sniff it in because that just made my fucking blood boil. The guy shouldn’t even be playing let alone on the top line.

It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!

by hawks61 on Dec 11, 2009 10:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

a couple games is indifferent, but this

Lack of goals is becoming a trend. Add up the SOG and the misses and this team needs a shooting coach or eyeglasses. Kind of like my kids soccer team. Shoot at the corners but please don’t miss by 5 feet (Sopel)

Sopel just fell down again trying to turn 90 degrees.

by Duck99 on Dec 11, 2009 10:10 PM CST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Give me this effort day in and night out

and the goals will come…in boatloads. Every goalie-every team we face from here on out will be giving 110%-we are the Blackhawks-the team to be measured against. Our SOG are always impreessive—-but as stated above we pump out alot of misses from the point. Does the boys need a visit to eye doctor?

"Let 'em say all those nice things," he says, "but I know my mistakes, and I make plenty of them.-Bobby Orr

by taBruiser on Dec 12, 2009 8:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Barker

If he’s not getting caught pinching at the wrong time, he’s getting out worked getting to loose pucks in the defensive zone. I’ve made it a point to pay attention whenever he’s on the ice and there’s a complete lack of effort. That’s why he’s not running the #1 PP and why Campbell is on the pine with him. Campbell is the ‘Barker doing something stupid’ insurance policy…can’t believe I typed that, but it makes sense.

Seabrook on the PP over Barker makes perfect sense – righty, decent mobility, smart player, and just as quick of a shot as Barker. I hope in the future Hjalmarsson starts to see some PP time…the kid deserves it, works his ass off, and has great hockey IQ. That’s more important than a big shot.

About Toews; any hockey gear whores here notice his new stick? Interesting as he’s bounced from 4 different sticks this season so far. (Easton SE/Bauer Vapor/Dolomite/AK27) Interesting…

by Bluliner on Dec 11, 2009 10:14 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I’m a huge gear nerd, and I haven’t even picked up on that, so kudos to you. I am glad, however, that it seems that Buff has finally ditched the heinous black tuuks for good.

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by McClure on Dec 11, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

…did he exceed the weight limit?

by Bluliner on Dec 11, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually I think he is too thin

He looks to be in great shape……although I really think he is too thin—He plays with more of a edge when he is over weight—and everrybody is on his case about it. Remember when we first got him -his rep was he couldn’t keep his weight down-not a word has been mention this year. Kudos to him on his weight management…..but I like my bufferoo at 275— not at this heathly 255—-Maybe his lack of constitent effort is because he is starving all the time—-the smell of hots dog and pizza in the arena ’s air distracts him

"Let 'em say all those nice things," he says, "but I know my mistakes, and I make plenty of them.-Bobby Orr

by taBruiser on Dec 12, 2009 8:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Q after the game on the offence (or the lack thereof).
“We’re not happy with our production,” Chicago coach Joel Quenneville said. “We’re winning some tight games, but we should be scoring more. The offence will be there, it’s just a matter of maybe moving (players) around so that it clicks.” TSN.ca

What kind of line combinations are we going to see on Sunday against the Lightning? Or do I want to know after watching Kopecky being placed on the top line? This should be interesting.

It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!

by hawks61 on Dec 11, 2009 10:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

went to practice today and this is who they had:

Kane-Toews-Brouwer
Hossa-Sharp-Ladd
Versteeg-Madden-Buff
Kopecky-Fraser-Eager

PP unit 1:
Keith-Campbell
Kane-Sharp-Versteeg

PP unit 2:
Hossa-Toews-Brouwer
Buff-Barker

Dunno what to say about the PP units though— unit 1 was at my end and the guys couldn’t score on a PK unit of Eager-Hendry-Kopecky-Fraser. Then again, maybe they were just doing drills on style and formation…

by chiblackhawks on Dec 12, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It looks from the outset that Q is going back to the lines similar to last season’s combinations which I have no problem with. Would rather Versteeg centering Hossa with Sharpie up with Daydream Nation, but it is what it is.

The 1st PP Unit reeks of failure with nobody capable, or willing, to get in front of the goaltender as that’s were Byfuglein should be slotted not at the point on the 2nd PP Unit as Seabrook should be there. However I do like Toews-Hossa-Brouwer on the 2nd PP Unit as that should have a little more success.

Thanks for the update chiblackhawks!

It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!

by hawks61 on Dec 13, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like you called it

“…we here at SCH have an uncanny ability to call someone out only to have them play the game of their career.”

Still can’t believe they didn’t score in the first period. I wonder how frustrated the boys are getting. Dominating teams and still not scoring—it just doesn’t seem fair. And Patrick Kane has to be seething over not hitting the net in a long time. He kept trying for the highlight score tonight, and almost pulled it off.

I’m not panicking yet—but, it really sucks when the Hawks lose.

by Preacher000 on Dec 11, 2009 10:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

call me crazy....

But I don’t think the Hawks not being able to dent the net now is that bad. They will need to know how to play in tight games later on… good learning step… as long as it’s fixed soon.

by Wanker751 on Dec 11, 2009 10:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

You're crazy.

Chicagoan in the Lou.

by Mike Martin on Dec 12, 2009 9:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll reiterate

The paucity of goals the last two games can be attributed 100% to simple plain bad luck.

But that’s why the season is 82 games long, so that there’s time for things to even out. Sooner or later, they’ll have a run of awesomely good luck. Maybe they’ll score 7 goals each in road games against Calgary and San Jose, or something.

But that’s sports. We just need a little perspective.

by Brian C on Dec 11, 2009 11:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

hey, I think next game you should call out the home team.

Also,

Patrick Lalime, but I’m too lazy to find a picture. So imagine one.

Isn’t that the story of his life? Poor guy.

by gmh on Dec 11, 2009 11:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think he was still playing for the Sens in that one...

"I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life." - King Henry II of England

by Calvert on Dec 12, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Brouwer...

Falls out of boat…misses water.

Film at 11.

by hoorock89 on Dec 12, 2009 12:15 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

You know....

It’s a damn shame. When they moved him up with Toews and Horsa, he was all over the place. He was making things happen, but he couldn’t finish, once again, for dick. Drives a man insane, he does.

by DudeMcnude on Dec 12, 2009 1:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

frustrating

Especially the return of 08-09 Brouwer, he had two ridiculous chances that went horribly bad once the puck hit his tape.

Madden’s attempt on the breakaway was weak sauce, I know that’s not what we pay him for, but if you can’t make a decent move, at least fire a good hard low shot and hope for a rebound.

Versteeg has been pretty frustrating lately. He’s been solid on special teams, (he’s got 3 PP goals, 2 shorties, and 1 4on4 overtime winner), but he only has 3-5on5 goals this year. I know Q mixed up the lines in the second, but Versteeg has been with Toews and Hossa for a couple games and I haven’t noticed him much. When your skating with a couple of puck-winning, two way skilled horses like Toews and Hossa, you need to start denting the twine, cherry pick for all I care, Toews and Hossa are good enough back-checkers to cover up for you. Hopefully Versteeg gets it going, he really has been given a great opportunity to skate with our 2 best all around forwards.

"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King

by hackerar on Dec 12, 2009 12:16 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Missed the game tonight

As I was on a flight back from Vegas, but I noticed that Tim Sassone is already freaking out about the lack of scoring. He’s also hinting that the Hawks should go out and get a number 2 center, stating that there were lots of scouts in attendance, and Barks is rumored to be available.

A bit early for the “sky is falling” routine, eh?

by AirTrafficAJ on Dec 12, 2009 12:34 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

It has been

Falling for quite some time, we still need to find a way to trade and get Khabi back, along with Havlat, without those 2 no chance we ever win another game.

wait what?

by pepe126 on Dec 12, 2009 3:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and Walker

"Let 'em say all those nice things," he says, "but I know my mistakes, and I make plenty of them.-Bobby Orr

by taBruiser on Dec 12, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not worried. I figure Hi, I’m Bob LeDonne’s got this.

by meeshak on Dec 12, 2009 12:40 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

IT WAS LALIME IN NET!!!!!!!!......

yet we made him look like a god….this is fuckin sad. I don’t know what the fuck this team is doing or trying to do but its pissin me off. All these games we lost, we should have won in this month. I’m tried of seeing them circle the fuckin puck around the net, cute but its getting old and teams are figuring us out. Most of all I’m tired of shot from the side of the net. Great teams find ways to score from the front of the net….Im sorry but this team is nowhere close to being a Detroit kind of team. I love Hossa but, Im starting to wonder of those days when we didn’t have him and we were scoring like crazy.

by redtribe14 on Dec 12, 2009 8:12 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

trade that horsa guy.

who does he think he is anyway? that bickerll guy played with heart i tell ya!

by illinikc33 on Dec 12, 2009 8:15 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

that was all a joke right? I will just assume you were joking and I didn’t get it, so I apologize.

by ChargingMajor on Dec 12, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

YAH WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THAT CYCLE SHIT????!!!111

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by Original Six on Dec 12, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Myself,

I see no reason why we can’t go unbeaten through the rest of the season.

by ChicoMaki on Dec 12, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You have to wonder

If the line-juggling is starting to mind-fuck these guys. And now Q wants to juggle even more, according to his post-game comments. Now, I don’t really pretend to know anything about coaching hockey, but look at #7 and #2. They have played together, as a pairing, largely uninterrupted, for quite some time now. Look how well they play together. Same thing is starting to happen w/ Hammer and #51. Just saying…maybe it’s time to set some lines up and work out the kinks. It is highly unlikely that we’re going to pick anyone up, let alone a legitimate #2 center, so stop fucking around already, set some lines up, and let them get into a rhythm.

by illinikc33 on Dec 12, 2009 8:15 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Modus operandi

I know the like juggling is Q’s MO, but his itchy trigger finger with it is getting a bit annoying. Take last night for example. The Hawks have a great first period, but don’t get on the board. They have a few consecutive bad shifts in the second, and boom, just like that, he fucks with the lines. They couldn’t have been 10 minutes into the third and Q goes apeshit with the lines, which absolutely didn’t help, it may have even made things worse. In the third, it seemed like Q went back to some of the game’s orignal lines and they had a great period again. Seems like all it takes is a few bad shifts in a low scoring game and it’s time to juggle. I agree completely, let these guys get some chemistry going!

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by hackerar on Dec 12, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A bright side

Gotta admit the whole not scoring goals thing is pretty frustrating, but we all have to look at the fact that the Hawks pulled out some wins with scoring only 1 (Vancouver) or 2 (PIT and NYR) goals. To me that is great to see because in past years when the Hawks were terrible they would have lost 7 of 9 by not being able to score. Now instead they are winning some games even though they are not playing all that well. I am not worried, it’s only December and remember the March swoon of last year, then a long run in the playoffs? I think they will be fine, every team goes through rough patches of the season and if this is the worst then I’ll be pretty happy.

by MoeWanchuk on Dec 12, 2009 8:40 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

2nd goal

the second goal did hit the guys stick, barely, buy you can actually see, better in DVR slo-mo, that the puck clearly changes how its flipping when the stick is swung at it. Now all it did was graze the puck, but it did touch.

by calvin12 on Dec 12, 2009 9:34 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Campbell DID leave voluntarily

Sabres fans booed Campbell because he was traded only after refusing to play for a reasonable price. Everyone knew that someone out there would overpay tremendously for him, but Campbell put on his sad face and made it seem like he COULDN’T stay in Buffalo. Poor guy. Not physically capable of playing hockey for less then 7 million a year. If Campbell would have been willing to play for 5 million a year (what he’s actually worth) he’d still be in Buffalo. Honestly, I wouldn’t boo him, because I don’t care that much, but that’s why some do. As far as I’m concerned, I’ll take the rook who has 2 more goals and the same number of points as Soupy, in a game less time.

Also, I’m going to have to disagree that the Hawks were the better team, and not just because they lost. At times yes, at one point the Hawks outshot the Sabres 15-2, but then at one point the Sabres outshot the Hawks 18-6. Momentum shifted and the Sabres took advantage when they needed to. Neither team dominated the whole game, neither team was “the better team”.

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by TEMSON on Dec 12, 2009 9:57 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

If Campbell had not made the "I hope I don't get booed" comment...

…Sabres fans probably wouldn’t have bothered, just as Sabres fans probably would have cheered Kane if he didn’t beat up a Buffalo cabbie over 20 cents.

But I also agree with you about one other thing: Tyler Myers is better right now than Campbell has ever been at anytime in his career, and Campbell is arguably the second best offensive defenseman the Sabres have had in their entire 40-year history (Phil Housley is still far and away the best).

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by Calvert on Dec 12, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I’m not sure how many are booing specifically because of that comment, maybe it’s more than I think.

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-Marv Levy

by TEMSON on Dec 12, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Back the truck up!

“Tyler Myers is better right now than Campbell has ever been at anytime in his career”? Did I read that correctly? Are you fucking serious? You’re going to make that type of accusation after 30 games into his career. Tyler Myers has been very impressive to date, but so was Luke Schenn 30 games into last season so let’s not get too far ahead of ourselves shall we?

Brian Campbell was a terrific defenceman for the Sabres (2-time all-star) and was shopped out of town due to the fact the Sabres had no cap room available left to sign him. That was your management’s fault for matching Kevin Lowe’s egregious offer to Thomas Vanek, not Campbell’s. Unless Brian Campbell was willing to play for $3.5 M per season he wasn’t staying in Buffalo.

It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!

by hawks61 on Dec 12, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They offered him 5 million a year. There was room for that – the Sabres just weren’t going to pay the exorbitant price the Hawks gave him. I think management made the right move – I would have been far far far more upset had we paid him OVER 7 MILLION per year. He’s no where near that good – that’s what Crosby and Malkin make.

I think the point Calvert was making is simply that everyone expects Myers to get better, possibly a lot better – and he’s pretty good right now. I’ll agree though, it’s early and Campbell has proven far more then Myers.

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by TEMSON on Dec 12, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No Crosby and Malkin make more.

But Vanek makes $7M. And if Vanek was going to make $7M then it was Campbell’s right to ask for equal value considering he was more of an significant piece to the Sabres’ puzzle than Vanek, but so was Briere. That’s Darcy Regier’s fault, not Brian Campbell’s.

It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!

by hawks61 on Dec 12, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree 1000%, maybe more.

Vanek has struggled this year, but he’s still a far more important piece then Campbell. How many 40+ goal scorers are there in the league? It took us 1 year to replace Campbell’s production, and our defense is better for it.

And Briere? Are you kidding? Aside from the fact that he’s been injury riddled since leaving the Sabres he’s still not anywhere near as important as Vanek. Roy is practically the same player that Briere is, only Roy can also play on the PK. I’d much rather have Roy and Vanek then Roy and Briere. Not to mention we have another small, quick, skilled player coming up in Gerbe.

I don’t know if you think Campbell is worth 7+ million a year but I certainly don’t. I mean Markov makes less then 6 million, and they’re very similar players. You were right about Crosby and Malkin though, I got confused – thought it was 7.8 million, not 8.7 million. Maybe Iginla (7 mil) or Zetterberg (6 mil) are better examples – Soupy makes more than both of them.

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-Marv Levy

by TEMSON on Dec 12, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree 1000%, maybe more./blockquote>
If that math is indicative of Sabres accounting, then your argument makes sense.

Occam's Razor keeps the cutting clean.

by russellguldin on Dec 12, 2009 9:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And I am too dumb to use the quote thing correctly.

Mea culpa.

Occam's Razor keeps the cutting clean.

by russellguldin on Dec 12, 2009 9:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

RRReally?

Vanek is more of an important piece? That’s why the Sabres decided to match Edmonton’s ridiculous offer because they wanted to keep a player that was a healthy scratch during the playoffs, which leads me to this question – how many 40+ goal scorers get the Kopecky treatment and get benched in the playoffs?

You must have also forgotten that Campbell, a defenceman, had more points in the playoffs than Vanek over those 2 seasons with the same team and led the Sabres in ice-time in both years which seen the Sabres reach the ECF.

In addition, who was your leading scorer in both those playoff seasons? Daniel Briere is the answer with 34 points, whereas Derek Roy had 22. Also, in Briere’s last season he had 95 points. Roy on the other hand has only reached the 80+ point plateau once in his career. Either way you slice it the decision to let Briere walk was a bad one.

Do I think Campbell is overpaid right now? Yes. But his salary dictated the market place set for him when he became an unrestricted free-agent in a cap area that had just increased over $18M over 3 seasons and looked to be on the rise continously. Nobody could forsee the economic downturn that was about to present itself. There were, and still are, plenty of teams that were willing to pay the price to acquire Campbell’s services.

Andrei Markov cannot do what Campbell does offensively as without Streit and Souray the Canadiens PP was abysmal all season long last year. In fact it has been better with Georges QB the PP this season. So with that he doesn’t belong in this category. Boyle makes $6.6M and Green makes $5.25M so if you want to compare salares based on skill-sets then they’re the ones to compare with.

Iginla’s deal was nogotiated during the lockout season so his salary was considered to be the top’s in the league at that time and Zetterburgh’s was a life-time deal to stay in Detroit and with Datsyuk and Lidstrom already there he took a hometown discount at the time.

It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!

by hawks61 on Dec 13, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, Vanek is a more important piece, absolutely.
He was scratched for SOME of the playoffs in his rookie season because of his defensive weaknesses, something he’s worked on improving. He played in 10 playoff games in 05-06 and played extensively in 06-07 contributing 6 goals and 4 assists. Even so, being benched for part of a playoff series doesn’t mean anything – and trying to compare two players at opposite points in their careers is kind of a futile effort.

Yes, Campbell has played more in the playoffs than Vanek so far – Vanek is still pretty young. Yes, Briere has scored more points then Roy so far, Roy is still pretty young. Briere didn’t get 95 points until like his 9th season. Roy scored 81 in his 4th season whereas Briere never topped 60 in his first 8 seasons. If I have to choose between the two – I’ll take Roy at 4 million a year instead of Briere at 6.5 million a year every single time. Oh, and by the way, I liked how you pointed out that Roy has “only reached the 80+ point plateau once in his career” because that’s also true for Briere, only one 80+ point season. So… good point. I’m going to slice the decision that way and call it a good move to let him walk.

Also, Campbell makes more than both Boyle and Green, and I think Boyle is overpaid too – so I’m not sure what your point is by bringing that up. But I guess we agree on one thing: Campbell is overpaid.

And it’s hard not to like Zetterberg – taking a little hometown discount as a way of saying thank you to the Detroit fans and the organization that drafted and developed him. I mean he was taken 210th overall, some probably never even thought he’d make it in the NHL.

Campbell was taken 156th, some probably thought he wouldn’t make it either. I guess my whole distaste for Campbell comes simply from the fact that most players drafted 156th (or higher) overall don’t even play in the NHL – let alone make millions. To me it just seems greedy to say, ‘I don’t care about the organization or the fans or anyone else, I’m just going to make as much money as I can’. And I know that most players do that, and I know it’s business and it would be silly to play for less money and all the arguments – but I don’t have to like him for it. Again, I wouldn’t boo him just for leaving – but I’m not cheering for him either.

If Campbell loved Buffalo and the fans as much as he claimed to in his last few interviews here – he could have taken a hometown discount too.

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by TEMSON on Dec 13, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think you can blame Campbell for taking what a team is willing to offer

I think most Sabres and Hawks fans would agree he’s overpaid, but if your employer’s competitor offers you 40% more than you’re probably worth, why not get paid that for a few years until they realize their error?
The booing was pretty silly. It didn’t sound like 18,000 booing though ( I guess there’s a few thousand in every crowd.) I wonder if Campbell, Briere, Drury, etc., are just booable on-ice proxies for a Sabres management that has failed to secure long-term contracts with key players over the last few years.
Last night was the first time I’ve seen Myers play. Pretty impressive for a 19 year old rookie.
As a Sabres fan living in the Chicago area I’d love to see the Hawks and the Sabres in a 7 game series at the end of this season. The Hawks general talent level is better, but the Sabres have had years where a goalie has carried them pretty far into the playoffs.

by Gino Parilli on Dec 12, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It always depends on the circumstances

Max Afinogenov was cheered when he returned to Buffalo in a Thrashers uni and most Sabres fans seem to be quite happy that he’s doing well for a team that suits his style of play perfectly. JP Dumont (remember him?) is another former Sabre that Sabres fans seem to admire and are pleased that he’s doing well. Mike Grier was also well loved here during his first stint with the team and the fans were not happy to see him go to San Jose, not to mention that the team seems to play better with him in the lineup. And Chris Drury and Ales Kotalik most certainly do NOT get booed when they come to Buffalo nor will they ever.

The circumstances of departure and the way the player reacts to it play a very big role on how that player will be received upon their return to the area. Brian Campbell handled it in much the same way Slava Kozlov did…by slamming the organization and the area. That is why he got booed and will continue to do so.

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by Calvert on Dec 12, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What?

First off your confusing Slava Kozlov with Alexander Mogilny. Slava Kozlov missed the last 43 games due to an Achilles Tendon injury and was shipped out of town during the off-season. A lot of bent-up anger towrds a player that only played a grand total of 38 games for you, don’t you think? Or does it have to do with the fact that you traded Dominik Hasek for him perhaps?

To my recollection Brian Campbell never slandered the Sabres after being shipped out of town and if he did please drop me a source where he did. Please and thank-you. Or are you making this up?

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by hawks61 on Dec 12, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Superb Write-up!

In 678 jaunty words, you pretty much got it all. Bravo!

1. Shot quality. For all the pucks on net the last couple games, the Hawks have not made a shot on a par w/ Higgins’ the other night. Having said that, they HAVE run into silly goaltending going back to Ellis now, for sure. While it’s frustrating to outplay a team and get zip again, this karma will even out.

2. How many minutes have the Hakws been down 2 goals this year (aside from the Calgary game, and we all knw how that ended)? Maybe 10? Anyone sense a controlled fury, the kind of 3rd period Detroit would throw on the Hawks as recently as last year, after getting down 2? The Sabres oughtta recognize a rectal horseshoe when they see one.

by cliffkoroll on Dec 12, 2009 1:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Can you explain your second comment?

It sounded interesting, but I had trouble figuring out what you meant through the incredible imagery of the last line.

by meeshak on Dec 12, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, though it exposes an error in my estimate...

…according to my calculations, the Hawks have been down by 2 goals nine times this season. So, in 70% of games (21/30), it dun’t happen.

Of the remainder, the total minutes down 2+ is, in fact, about 143, a bit more than the 10 minutes I surmised. Damn facts.

However, this includes about 28 minutes against Calgary, which time of course underscores my implied thesis that the Hawks are dangerous when down.

Also, we’ve got the final 48 and 32 minutes of games against Phoenix and Anaheim. Outta 30 games, we can cut ’em slack for two off nights right?

Of the remaining 6 games, totaling only 35 minutes of time down 2 goals, 2 of these were late goals in games against the Preds (empty net with 4 seconds for one, 2 minutes for the other last week.)

Which leaves four games and 33 minutes down 2 goals:

1. Detroit (down 2 goals for 12-1/2 minutesy, Hawks eventually responded with goal.)
2. Dallas (down 2 goals 3 different times, totalling 12-1/2 minute, responded each time.)
3. San Jose (doen 2 goals for 6 minutes, responded. and eventually won.)
4. Buffalo (down 2 goals for 2 minutes, responded.)

6 for 6 in bouncing back from 2 down here, usually quickly.

Now, the Hawks came up a goal short in 3 of these games (BTW- those 3, plus the 2 tight Preds games, plus the Phoenix and Anaheim nghts off, plus the Nucks/Mitchell?Toews game, account for ALL Hawk losses this year!), so a cynic may say that 7 of 9 times the Hawks have been down 2, they’ve gotten zilch.

Perhaps this is the step the Hawks need to take to become champions- closing out more of these opportunities. But (a) had the Hawks finished the job in these games (many of which they were the better team), they’d have something unearthly like 28 wns this year, and (b) Phoenix and Anaheim,aside, I think the data support my contention that the Hawks have generally responded to being down 2 goals and hung in, and the opposition generally walks away feeling very fortunate to get two points.

by cliffkoroll on Dec 12, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

Interesting points. I think all of us suspected as much, which just goes to show that the Hawks are a good team, rarely down, and that they can come back from any deficit if given time.

by meeshak on Dec 12, 2009 5:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Remember:

We all saw this coming. Coming off the win streak, we knew there was bound to be a drop in offensive production. Its the way sports work; teams go through hot and cold streaks. Let’s not panic, or worse, blame it on Hossa ruining chemistry. We’re going to rebound and if all these pucks are put on net, they’re going to go in. To quote Gabe from Behind the Net,

Shot volume is much more a function of a team’s ability, and a much better predictor of future performance than goal-scoring metrics – in other words, there is basically no such thing as a team that shoots efficiently, just teams that get a lot of shots on goal…or not.

Once pucks start going in, I’m sure commentators here will be prematurely awarding us the President’s Trophy and the Cup, until the next scoring drought. The cycle of stupid fans is never-ending.

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by Original Six on Dec 12, 2009 2:30 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Good post.

by meeshak on Dec 12, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

what we need to do

is trade hossa. and then get jr to come back, and cheli too.

by bangbangerang on Dec 12, 2009 5:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and that Sanipass kid

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by taBruiser on Dec 12, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Lalime!

How many times is the opposing goalie going to stand on his head to show the Hawks a tough night?

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by pucknut on Dec 12, 2009 4:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully not as many times as this general sentiment has been posted on this thread.

by Uncle Niemi on Dec 12, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Regardless of Campbell's true value

I wouldn’t say booing Campbell is mind boggling – right or wrong. It’s not like he was traded with 3 years left on his contract.

by SNB11 on Dec 12, 2009 5:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Seriously---Hossa has had a negative impact...

RELAX! Before y’all go off on me about my lack of hockey intelligence, let me make a simple point: since Hossa’s start, teams in their own zone have been collapsing to their net a lot more, and the Hawks have “played” with the puck a LOT more than before. I went back and looked at games before Hossa, and then at the games since. It looks like (this is not a scientific study, mind you) the Hawks tend to wait more now for the “perfect” shot to open up. Earlier, they were still cycling a lot and keeping the puck in the offensive zone for long periods, but they were shooting it more from close in and then getting the rebound and cycling again. Now it seems that more of their shots are from the points and a lot of the possession time is cycling—with no shots coming.

Teams know to clog up the neutral zone against us, and now it looks like their clogging up everything below the dots too. We already had Kane, Toews and Versteeg who can stickhandle in a phone booth, and with Hossa joining them teams are simply taking away the net. There were a TON of deflected shots the last couple of games. It’s amazing we had as many shots on goal as we did.

Of course, all of this is when it’s 5-on-5. The powerplay opens it up a lot, but for some reason we have no idea how to score there any more.

by Preacher000 on Dec 12, 2009 10:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Of course Hossa has changed the team dynamic

It’s pretty obvious they’re in a rut of bad luck, and part of that might be down to them trying to figure out how to play with Hossa. But, three goals on 80 shots? That’s mostly bad luck, and a little bit of the other team getting psyched up to play the Hawks.

To blame Hossa for any of this scoring drought is merely to recognize the awesomeness of Hossa and his effect, not only on the Hawks, but also on the play of other teams. They take these games more seriously than they did in October.

The only place of concern is the power play, but who cares? It’s December.

by meeshak on Dec 12, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Are people

seriously contemplating that Marian Hossa is having a negative impact on the Blackhawks??

WTF?

by csm on Dec 13, 2009 3:03 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

unbelievable.

Simply unbelievable.

by illinikc33 on Dec 13, 2009 8:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You obviously didn't read the post

As I said, teams are playing us a bit different with Hossa out there. They’re jamming up the front of the net a lot more, collapsing almost into the crease when Hossa’s line is out there. It’s why we’re shooting from the point more.

And as I also said, RELAX! I’m certainly not saying Hossa’s a problem. The title of the post was to get you to read it. Apparently, the title was all you read.

by Preacher000 on Dec 13, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Does this “Hossa is hurting the ’Hawks offensivley” have anything to do with the fact that Havlat is getting hot right now in Minnesota? You know that until now he had done zilch for the Wild up to now right? Just wondering that’s all.

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by hawks61 on Dec 13, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone read what's actually in the posts?

NO! My comments had nothing to do with Havlat. I have no idea what Havlat’s been doing. Don’t really care. I’m much more concerned with the fact that the Hawks haven’t been scoring when it’s 5-on-5. And the reason is that teams are crowding the front of the net. It’s also why we’re scoring our only goals when it’s 4-on-4. There’s more room.

by Preacher000 on Dec 13, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

RE: Does anyone read what's actually in the posts?

You haven’t been here very long, have you?

NOW STOP IT RIGHT HERE

by mjthor on Dec 15, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So, who would've seen this coming?

The Los Angeles Kings lead the Western Conference in points with 45. Mind you the ‘Hawks have 4 games in hand but c’mon L.A.? Good for them, not so good for San Jose who’ve fallen off the map since the ‘Slaughter at the Tank’ 2 weeks ago against the ‘Hawks 7-2. Guess that leadership by comittee thing isn’t working out too well these days?

It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!

by hawks61 on Dec 13, 2009 10:45 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hello

I’ve decided to de-lurk myself, read the thread every game. So hello everyone!

GO HAWKS!

by Hawk4Eva on Dec 16, 2009 7:11 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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