Big Three Press Conference Live Blog
by SamFels on Dec 3, 2009 12:57 PM CST
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PrintWe talked about it, and it's been decided this press conference requires a Second City Live Blog. So come back at 2pm when it starts. There are lots of questions to be answered, sadly none of them will be asked. This time, I'll do it in the comments section so it updates automatically.
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HAY GUYS!
What’s all the commotion about? Did they manage to trade Huet or something? Move Campbell to Rockford?
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Dec 3, 2009 1:13 PM CST reply actions
I herd Dale Tallon is coming back to da boooooooooooothaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
by Andrew Cieslak on Dec 3, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
I can't believe
they traded Kane, Keith and Toews to make room to sign Chelios. Unbelievable!!!
[Source]
rabble rabble rabble
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Dec 3, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
Perfect.
I have class at 2:15 so if this runs long or starts late I would have had to try reading lips. I’m sure we’re not gonna get any earth-shattering news here. Probably just find out how many years at undisclosed amounts. But I still want to be informed on whatever they do delve out.
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anyone know what channel on tv or radio where they will be broadcasting the news confrence?
by Section325psychofans on Dec 3, 2009 1:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i’m sure comcast has it. and the website.
by oneminuteremainingintheperiodoneminute on Dec 3, 2009 1:43 PM CST reply actions
Hawkvision
T – you workin or playin?
by oneminuteremainingintheperiodoneminute on Dec 3, 2009 1:48 PM CST reply actions
God damn Russian Cultures,
Because of this class i can’t see the press conference, I’m gonna fail the final unless my teacher thinks that Kovalchuck, Malkin, and Ovechkin’s journey to the NHL counts are Russian culture cuz thats what i’m putting on my final
Legacy of KA(i)NE
by Kaner's Revenge on Dec 3, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
Workin'
Sadly. No volume allowed in cubicle land. Thus I’ve come to watch the live blogging where I can read outloud, which is quieter than my computer.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Stream on Blackhawks.nhl.com
I wonder if the placeholder picture has anything to do with the news conference…
So much for the "surprise"
Even the description just calls it a “hockey operations announcement”
by ElijahJones22 on Dec 3, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
SCOOPED!
They will be announcing the terms of the new deals:
Keith gets 50% U.C. concession stand profits
Kane gets 75% U.C. gate and parking
Toews gets the Hawks’ 25% share of Comcast Sports Net
I like boobs.
And like hockey gladiators
they get to choose which ice girl shall be their possession for the evening after a glorious victory.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
haha
my brother’s roommate’s younger brother dated a ice girl that once fucked pat Kane, apparently every time he walked by the locker room with her Pat Kane gave him the death stare.
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by Kaner's Revenge on Dec 3, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
haha that
and that the fact that half of the ignorant people that call themselves my friends talk about how Toews is so much better then Kane and how Kane is a overpriced whining bitch, when in reality Kane is an amazingly talented player. It just pisses me off when people say he doesn’t try.
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by Kaner's Revenge on Dec 3, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
My brother’s roommate’s uncle’s cousin’s sister knows an ice girl whose sister met a girl who once fucked Pat Kane.
by Sportsgal on Dec 3, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
"So what does that make us?"
Absolutely nothing!
hah yeah didn't explain that well
But i actually know the guy. Kinda a dbag, but good with women
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by Kaner's Revenge on Dec 3, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
Right kids, let's do this
So I’ll start it here, and whenever you all want to chime in just hit reply to my comments. That way everyone can follow my thread, because I’m more important than you and need the ego boost.
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That's a brilliant idea Sam. You've done it again!
How’s that?
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Looks like it's been moved to 2:45
Maybe so they can figure out why they’re paying these guys so much.
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That's getting used in my classroom ASAP
Shattering the egos before everyone else; your public school teachers!
Occam's Razor keeps the cutting clean.
by russellguldin on Dec 3, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
that got a laugh
and i’ve gotta keep it down so people don’t suspect that i’m not paying attention to work
That is my text message tone...
mostly because everyone that sends me a text is a failure….
Rotowire had this to say about Keith
The Hawks promised to take care of Keith, and they have. Keith is one of the NHL’s biggest bargains with a salary of $1.9 million, which makes him the fifth-highest-paid defenseman on the Hawks’ roster. “I had no problem with that contract I signed,” Keith said recently about his former contract. “I was happy with it and I’m still happy with it. It’s still a fair penny when it comes down to it.”
Maybe Keith would have signed for less, or maybe Keith is just really good at looking good in the press
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by Kaner's Revenge on Dec 3, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
Oh God
they’re actually trading all three, and heads have exploded all over the press room!!!
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
You take it on faith, you take it form the heart...
The Waiting is the hardest part.
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In class
Watching on mute. Can I get a play by play?
Notice
How Stan is hiding behind Faber, probably from embarrassment that he got raped in these negotiations.
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Hitchcock Jr.
since Scotty is pretty much Alfred himself
by gmh on Dec 3, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
Today
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Dec 3, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
Really?
Pardon me – jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Cause they gonna gets
lots mo’ monaaaaaaay in 5 years, yo.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Everyone loves Chicago
but the age old saying MO Money Mo bitches applies here
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by Kaner's Revenge on Dec 3, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
When Stan talks
Can you see Scotty’s lips move?
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by SamFels on Dec 3, 2009 2:09 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
HA!
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Maybe now
Someone can ask Stan why Hossa wasn’t put on LTIR. Better late then never.
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Stan really knows how to make an exciting moment mundane.
He sounds like the teacher from the Peanuts.
How young am I
to not remember that reference?
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by Kaner's Revenge on Dec 3, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
No I have
Just too young to remember what the teacher sounds like.
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by Kaner's Revenge on Dec 3, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
I wasn't an 80's baby
cut me some slack
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by Kaner's Revenge on Dec 3, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
The 80’s were a fun 3 months for me.
I hope that scares lots of you old guys around here.
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I don't even remember most of the 80's
So there.
If I can't be a good example, I'll just be a horrible warning
it sounds like a muted trumpet.
and i was born August of 1990 baby!
Legacy of KA(i)NE
by Kaner's Revenge on Dec 3, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
ninteen is not jailbait
last time i checked
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by Kaner's Revenge on Dec 24, 2009 2:10 AM CST up reply actions
That is what I was thinking.
Especially talking about how Rocky made it exciting in a nice monotone voice.
You know, for guys that get paid a lot of money to
talk in front of people and do PR, they can’t speak. Bowman speaks like a fucking retard.
by illinikc33 on Dec 3, 2009 2:10 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Are his eyes scrolling
like he’s reading a prompter?
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
"I'd like to thank Rocky and John McDonough..
…for stabbing Tallon in the back so I could have a big boy office."
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by SamFels on Dec 3, 2009 2:10 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
dude.
he sounds like robocop. my presentation on the elements to my eighth grade biology class was less forced than this.
Thanking us for the United Center
Good thing McD is trying to phase us all out then.
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Toews speaking now
“I’d like to thank Stan Bowman for inexplicably paying me more money than Ryan Getzlaf. I’m truly startled.”
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Duncan Keith Speaking
“I’d like to thank Stan for allowing my deal to make the most sense.”
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"speaking" is a stretch
he’s even more mumble-mouthed than I remembered.
by gmh on Dec 3, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Keith taking a page from the Wirtz book
And thanking the season ticket holders.
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Coupla good Winnipeg guys there.
5 million bucks goes a long way on Portage Street and Main. Just ask Neil Young!
"Call Detroit, tell dem... BULLSHIT!"
by Hungryhawk on Dec 3, 2009 2:14 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
He keeps his already great career pace going
it’s a lock to join Pilote’s company.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Nah
He’s getting too flashy and offensive these days. Maybe if he could play a better stay-at-home game. He’s could really learn a lot from Sopel.
say what you will about him getting to flashy and offensive
but his goals, assists, and his +/- are all off to his best start.
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by Kaner's Revenge on Dec 3, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
"And one more thing....
fuck that cab driver"
by Qucifer on Dec 3, 2009 2:16 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Oh, wait.
You’re doing it right. The rec just didn’t show up right away.
Proceed.
NOW STOP IT RIGHT HERE
+1
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Of course Kane's Dad is there
Just like he will be in five years when he leverages a move to New York or something.
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Kane can't envision playing anywhere else
Until someone offers him the keys to the city in five years.
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Question of Toews...
How do you feel about being paid more than Mike Richards who’s the exact some player as you?
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You really don’t think he deserves the money he’s getting? I guarantee he would have been offered way more than Mike Richards if he hit the free market!
That’s the beauty of the restricted free agency system. The market isn’t free. The Hawks would have been INSANELY compensated if someone had the balls to give him a ridiculous offer sheet.
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It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.
Oh dear Christ
Are you serious? Ladd and Barker were high first round picks and are not remotely as valuable as Toews and Kane. Give us 4 top 5 picks and the likelihood that we get Toews and Kane are pretty low.
Is hockey a sport you would consider a "favorite"?
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Question for Stan...
Now that you’ve shortened our Cup Window, how do you sleep at night? And when will we get to see this “cap master” you were advertised as?
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Impressive?
Impressive to get bent over a barrel on negotiations? Who the fuck asked that?
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Whooaaa
Umm isn’t that SPORTSGAL’s job?
September 26, 2007 The day a Franchise was reborn.
by Roos-34 on Dec 3, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
oh no
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
As opposed to the warranted variety?
e.g. “That Sportsgal, she’s a helluva broad!”
Just want to make sure I’m trackin’ here.
Nah
We wanna wait about 5 years for a Cup.
If I can't be a good example, I'll just be a horrible warning
Who the fuck is lighting this thing?
Looks like they’re having this in a garage.
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They had to sell off all the nice lights to pay these guys. It’s just an iPhone running the Flashlight app.
I like boobs.
by G.S. Clam on Dec 3, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Can't you get a press pass?
It’d be awesome for you to be at these things.
If I can't be a good example, I'll just be a horrible warning
Next question
Duncs, when you and Biscuit are spit-roasting some Lincoln Park Trixie, who gets what end?
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by SamFels on Dec 3, 2009 2:24 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
1. All these reporters took the short bus to the UC
2. Kaner dresses like it’s his first high school dance
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Dec 3, 2009 2:24 PM CST reply actions
Maybe Kane can afford some new suits now
thought I’m still waiting for his contract numbers.
If I can't be a good example, I'll just be a horrible warning
“We as a group of three guys are fucking rich and…what was your question? I was too busy thinking about which Swiss bank I should go with…”
I like boobs.
It's a great day for those who can't count
Seriously, does anyone think anyone in this city other than me and Chris Block will write anything critical of these deals?
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Question for Patrick Kane
You make more than Alex Semin, who has two 30-goal seasons and you don’t. how do you feel about that?
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Follow up for Kane
You also make more than Corey Perry. How does that feel?
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Kane has more 70+ point seasons than Perry
In 1/2 as many years. Discuss.
Question for Daydream Nation
Your cap is 1 million higher than Henrik Zetterberg who’s a better player than either of you will be. What do you think about that?
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Your time-traveling ability
Is unparalleled.
Just think
How much they’ll command in 6 yrs when this deal is over with.
September 26, 2007 The day a Franchise was reborn.
Im tired, Im beat up.
This was actually more fun than if B&B had carried it. Thanks guys.
I like boobs.
Talk about hockey!
Don’t talk about hockey!
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It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.
That was bandwidth well spent.
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Dec 3, 2009 2:32 PM CST reply actions
Thanks for live blogging this guys
It might have been the most thrilling 30 minutes of my life.
Come on Sam
I get there are issues with the cap next year, and I’m dreading trades just as much as the next person, but I really don’t understand why you think the contracts these guys were offered are so offensive. Draft picks aren’t nearly as valuable as active, proven players. Are you saying you’d rather have Madden and Ladd more than Kane and Toews?
Agreed.
Would you have been more upset if some other team offered this much after the season and the Hawks DIDN’T match it? That would’ve made me furious.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Personally,
I feel that it’s the consensus right now amongst a lot of folks that these contracts are over market value. This doesn’t take away from the talent of any of them. It upsets me because Toews and Kane were both on record as talking about taking hometown discounts to keep the core of young players together in Chicago. For once in my life, I actually believed a statement from an athlete like that, and well, here we are. SUMMARY: I’m very thankful they’re all re-signed, I thought we could get it done for cheaper, oh well, let’s win a Cup.
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Dec 3, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
Of course.
But like I said…say they were offered this kind of contract by someone else this offseason, and the Hawks said, “Nah, we don’t think he’s worth that much.” We would’ve lost our minds and thought Dollar Bill has come back to haunt and curse us all.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Gotta love Hawk fans
We hate success as much as failure. Nothing’s ever good enough.
by Andrew Cieslak on Dec 3, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously.
We’ve always had to gripe when our organization didn’t spend the cash on the right people. This isn’t the Arnason, Bell and Calder line we’re resigning, far the fuck from it. Yeah, we overspent a touch…but in this case, I’m glad we did instead of reverting back to the old Hawk school of “you don’t deserve that money, goodbye”. I’m real fucking happy.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Overpaying is soitenly better than nopaying.
Still, Dale Tallon had already proven he could do that.
I was hoping young Bowman might justify his lofty perch.
I be on my green like Irish Spring.
I get
some of the feel of it being overmarket BUT let’s not forget they’re not in they’re Prime yet. Give it another year or 2 and we may be talking about what a steal this was
September 26, 2007 The day a Franchise was reborn.
What was the final damage anyway?
Was it what was reported last night? If so, that may seem high, but it’s not like they’re pulling down Bettman money…
Yeah
That’s pretty much the disclaimer I should’ve included in my post, verbatim
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Dec 3, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
I think a possible reason for NOT seeing the home town discounts is this.
Their agents told them to sign for a shorter, 5 year period, and get all you can out of it, just in case of a serious injury, or anything that would cause their stock to drop within the next 5 years. That being said, 5 years from now, if both players still feel how they do now about loving Chicago and wanting to make it their home for the rest of their careers, that is when you might see the 10 year deal at a nice hometown price.
You really can’t blame them or Bowman. They’re 21 years old, and if one of them goes down with a serious injury and never makes it back to being the player everyone thought they would be, they would be kicking themselves in 5 years for taking that contract at a lower price.
He is being completely unreasonable.
Absolutely unreasonable. Unless he invented future glasses. Or got the Delorian over at Universal Studios to work. I’m sure there will be a gripe post up soon, so this conversation can continue there.
gotta go, i’ve got a guy on the line about some white walls.
by oneminuteremainingintheperiodoneminute on Dec 3, 2009 2:37 PM CST reply actions
I just don't understand
How the Bruins can sign someone like Marc Savard, a proven 90+ point scorer, for 7 years at 4mil/yr, while the Hawks 2 good players not at Savard’s level, for 6.3mil/yr each.
And it’s strange to me how Marian Hossa, the team’s best player, is only the 5th highest paid player on the team.
I’m assuming age and potential are large factors.
by Andrew Cieslak on Dec 3, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
Check out the years on the deal
1: youy’re paying for potential in 2 young kids, remember Toews is what 22? annd Kane 21
2: Savard’s deal is 2 years longer so that cap hit isn’s as much. If you pay Savrd for only 5 years it’s like $5.6M a year.
I can all but guarantee Toews/Kane’s aganet said they would not sign for any longer that 5 yrs. So that they could hit the jack pot one more time
September 26, 2007 The day a Franchise was reborn.
yeah i agree
I think the max on the deal was 5 years. puts them in line for a handsome payday in their mid 20s.
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
And
most importantly for those 2. They’ll most likely be at the peak of their careers
September 26, 2007 The day a Franchise was reborn.
savard is 32 - past peak
not so tough to understand at all
by krome on Dec 3, 2009 5:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It is what it is
let’s just be thankful that these guys are sticking around for the next 6 years
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
by Illini0509 on Dec 3, 2009 2:42 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Market Variances
While the deals for Kane & Toews are above market today, Hawks are rolling the dice that the gap between premium talent & others will remain or get larger still. I believe that the guys that have to be worried are the Buff & Sopel types; current trends indicate (to me) that the $5-7 MM players are going to squeeze down other salaries, pushing these “marginal” $3MM players’ salaries down further.
To the editors/powers that be...
Any plans for a road-watch over the holidays? I’m sure it’s been mentioned before and I missed it, but I’m just mad I missed the last two and want to get in on one. Detroit on the 23rd, Nashville on the 26th, Dallas on the 29th…?
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Dec 3, 2009 3:10 PM CST reply actions
Second this
29th would be fun. Enough time to recover for New Years’ and any Christmas plans will be over by then (for those of us who have multiple family celebrations).
So what are the final numbers? Trying to relay them to Thor and can’t really find anything.
VERSTEEG!
same as previously reported...
Keith: 13 yrs, 71.5 mil, 5.5/yr
Toews and Kane: 5 yrs, 31.5 mil, 6.3/yr
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Dec 3, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
How long before....
people start giving these 3 the Brian Campbell treatment for getting “over paid”?
approximately
145 needless spin-o-ramas away
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by Hjammer of the Gods on Dec 3, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
They aren't free agents.
So people wouldn’t care if they were making $8MM/year.
Ah so overpaid free agent
means shit upon. Over paid draft pick signed… nothing…. (not saying they are over paid.) Just seems like the more money you make in Chicago the exceptions sky rocket up…
No, I would
compare a draft pick to a free agent. They both get the shaft b/c of (unreasonably) high expectations in most cases. The difference is that we have 3 proven star players that were making (relative) pittance that are now making what they “deserve.” If Campbell had come up through our system and gotten this contract after making $1MM/year there wouldn’t be nearly as much griping.
In the end we have
Towes, Kane, Campbell, Hossa, Keith, Seabrook locked up. I will not complain about it.
Why worry ...
Bob LeDonne has repeatedly told he’s got this under control. I see no reason to disbelieve him.
by ChicoMaki on Dec 3, 2009 3:30 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
no
at least not reported yet
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by Hjammer of the Gods on Dec 3, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
andddddd ruutu.
shit.
i may not know much, but i think i know a lot.
by cubsmansince91 on Dec 3, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
he just hasn't been the same
since Ben Eager beat him up and stole his number.
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by Hjammer of the Gods on Dec 3, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
are the blackhawks going to retire 24
for chelios?
i may not know much, but i think i know a lot.
by cubsmansince91 on Dec 3, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
are the bulls going to retire 45
for jordan?
cant forget sosa...
21 banner on the right field foul pole?
i may not know much, but i think i know a lot.
by cubsmansince91 on Dec 3, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
it's ok
they put a Havlat Clause in those contracts to cover their asses
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by Hjammer of the Gods on Dec 3, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
marian gaborik disagrees
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
If they want the even BIGGER payday
5 years from now…they’ll play their asses off – try to win some awards, most notably the CUP.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
The numbers according to Jeff Marek
Kane + Toews 5 yrs:
6.5
6
6
6.5
6.5
Duncan Keith 13yrs:
8
8
8
7.665
7.6
7.5
6
5
4.5
3.5
2.65
2.1
1.5
I still can't find one damn source
that explains how they navigated the tagging room issue. Everyone knew these three would be signed eventually, it was hardly even news, but I really want to know what the deal is with being over next years cap.
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
I think someone linked either on this thread or the previous one
to an article that says the hawks are right at the tagging limit for next season and may not be able to make any roster moves this season with the roster as presently constituted. i may be wrong.
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
I saw that link
but it doesn’t tell us anything, it just says they are right at the limit. I thought the limit was next years cap, but apparently it isn’t as the hawks had about 13-14 mil in cap space and just filled that space with 18.1 mil. The tagging limit must be larger than next years cap. I mean, I remember hearing (from somewhere) that the hawks couldn’t finish the contract extensions until they removed some 2010 salary, and that hasn’t happened. I’d just like to get the tagging room thing straight……for future reference if nothing else.
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
A stab in the dawn?
not quite a stab in the dark, but here it is
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
wish I could help you
but the explanations I’ve gotten have made no sense.
by chiblackhawks on Dec 3, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
one thing that i feel keeps getting lost...
… is that the salary cap will probably rise to accomodate these contracts. With the exception of this year and probably next year, the cap has increased by a minimum of about 5 million dollars a year. So if we can just get past this upcoming off season with a reasonable amount of the team intact, we’ll probably be fine. I’m just guessing that by 2015 kane and toews contracts won’t look that over priced and keith’s will look like a bargain (assuming they maintain current output levels).
the answer is simple: watch more games and drink more beer
the higher the league revenues, the higher the cap.
that’s it; you’ve convinced me. I’m ordering that new third jersey.
by chiblackhawks on Dec 3, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
i do agree with several others though...
…that these contracts, when compared to other young talent, seem fairly overpriced. Maybe not so for keith, but the other two, definitely. Not that i care a whole lot as long as the teams keeps winning.
I have to wonder if kane & toews’s agents played the “we know how bad this will look to the casual hockey fan if my client doesn’t re-sign” angle. While guys like Sam might appreciate the nuance of letting a guy go because he is asking too much money, the kind of person the hawks are trying to attract just sees the weak ass, uninformed sports reporter headline “hawks cheap out on young star”.
OK now I'm concerned
$8M for Keith next year? Jesus.
The Blackhawks have $26.04M tied up in two defenseman, a goalie and a wing.
i think his cap hit is only like $5.5 though, and that is the number that matters
The weighting of his contract to the first few years is probably just a time-value of money thing.
I have no understanding of how that works...
but hat’s still over $23M on five players.
Ladd, and Hjalmarrson are both RFAs next year. Ladd is a goner but we’ll hopefully get some decent compensation for him. Hammer is a MUST resign. He’ll definitely be up for a salary boost as well.
I wonder if the reason the kane&toews contracts were so high
is because the hawks wanted to bargain the years down to make sure they were RFA’s at the end of their contract. I bet if the hawks would have gave them the deal, say savard got, they would have gotten them much cheaper but then, since they’re older than 27, they’d become UFA and the hawks would have to compete on the open market.
Shouldn't they be UFAs at the end of these deals anyway?
I’m just hoping that when these deals are over and they are playing as expected, that they decide to sign long term contracts for around the same amount.
unless wikipedia is steering me wrong
only players who are 27 or older become UFA’s. That doesn’t mean they can’t be arbitration elligible but 5 years would put both those guys right ar 27, just in time for the hawks to maintain their rights and sign them to their final NHL contract or trade them away for several very good draft picks.
by SLoop on Dec 3, 2009 6:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
27 or older or
7 years in the NHL. So Kane and Toews will be UFAs since they will have 8 years in the NHL.
http://proicehockey.about.com/od/thenewnhl/a/salary_cap_expl_2.htm
Where's Dale?
All through the press conference, John, Pat, and Dunc thanked everyone who made it all possible, and they did a great job… Family, fans, Rocky, Stan, Mc D, etc.
These are great kids, and it’s a known fact they love Dale Tallon…
It appears there is clearly a gag order here. In fact, where is Dale Tallon? Has anyone seen him? Maybe it’s just me, but the lack of acknowledgment I see here leaves me kind of empty…
Who selected these 3 in the first place? I understand there are reasons why he is no longer GM, but geez, it’s not like he committed a heinous crime or something.
God bless you Dale Tallon, wherever you are! We will always remember what you have done for the players and fans in Chicago. I’m sure the players would say so too, if they were allowed to. God speed Dale.
It would be great if he could drop by the booth with Pat Foley sometime to say hi, or better yet, fill in for Eddie when he’s off doing a national broadcast sometime…
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