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Meet the Flames Defense

There is a certain amount of familiarity the Hawks have with the Flames Blue Liners.  The Flames currently have former Hawks captain Adrian Aucoin (I just threw up a little) and Jim Vandermeer on the team.  They also  have Anders Eriksson playing in the AHL for them too...  Here's a look at their defensemen stats:


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2008 - Adrian Aucoin 81 10 24 34 -8 46 3 0 3 0 126 7.9


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2008 - Mark Giordano 58 2 17 19 2 59 2 0 0 0 82 2.4


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2008 - Jordan Leopold 83 7 17 24 -15 24 1 0 1 1 107 6.5


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2008 - Adam Pardy 60 1 9 10 3 69 0 0 0 0 38 2.6


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2008 - Dion Phaneuf 80 11 36 47 -11 100 4 0 4 0 277 4.0


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2008 - Robyn Regehr 75 0 8 8 10 73 0 0 0 0 79 0.0


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2008 - Cory Sarich 76 2 18 20 12 112 0 0 0 0 57 3.5


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2008 - Jim Vandermeer 45 1 6 7 1 108 0 0 0 0 31 3.2

For the most part though - when you think of the Flames D you think of Dion Phaneuf.  Phaneuf leads all D-men in shots and actually is way ahead of a lot of forwards too.  He's got the size that can intimidate any forward especially since he doesn't shy away from the physical side of the game like many offensive blue liners do. 

In the games against the Hawks so far this year though, Phaneuf has been a non-factor.  He has 2 points and a -7 rating. 

The biggest problem facing all the Flames d-men now are injuries.  Not only did Phaneuf miss time towards the end of the year but so did Sarich and Regehr.  Sarich and Phaneuf are supposed to be back for Game 1 but Regehr, he of the 122 hits and 89 blocked shots, is doutbful.

This brings up a key difference between the two teams.  While the Blackhawks focus on players like Keith and Campbell to give the Hawks D some speed, the Flames focus more on toughness and size.  The Flames have 3 d-men with over 100 hits while the Hawks only have one.  Not to say the Flames are just bruisers - they also have their fair share of speed and a surprisingly offensive-minded core on the D-line (hard not to with Phaneuf).

Lets compare the teams even more:

Defense

SA

SA/G

GF

A

P

Shots for

BS

PIM

Hits

Flames

2441

29.8

34

139

173

804

518

602

764

Hawks

2344

28.6

35

154

189

655

501

333

522

Shots against are obviously a lot more of a team stat but they fit in well here.  The teams are remarkably similar on many stats except for three key areas.

Shots taken:  Obviously Phaneuf has a lot to do with this.  Even if you replaced his nearly 300 shots with 173 (Keith's D-leading shot total) - the Flames would still have 700 shots from their blue liners.  Even with their 149 extra shots though, the Hawks have scored one more goal. 

PIM:  If the Hawks can get the power play teams working well - this could be the biggest advantage for the Hawks in the series.  The Flames are one of the most penalized teams in the league.  Their D has taken almost twice as many PIM as the Hawks and it's not all fighting majors or misconducts.  On the Flames D, 6 players have more than 20 minor penalties with Vandermeer right at 19.  The Hawks only have two players with more than 20 on their squad (Keith and Biscuit).  All this experience must really help the Flames though as they have the 4th best PK team in the league. All four games between the two teams this year have been heavily penalized matches.  Interestingly, while looking up stats for this I found out H

Hits:  This is one of the biggest concerns for the Hawks.  The Flames have the size to make this game ugly if they can make the Hawks play physical.  Luckily that hasn't been an issue so far but it's clearly the Hawks biggest weakness coming into the playoffs.  If the Flames are able to use their size to force the Hawks to the outside the Hawks will need to find a way to adapt.  Read just about every preview and it's all about how the Flames will need to pound the Hawks to win - so keep your heads up boys.

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The Flames....

did not have a growth spurt since last we played them. They have been this big all year. The speed of Chicago has worked in our favor. The Hawks know they’re not as physical, and the Flames will take a bunch of penalties which should benefit us greatly.

Injuries are mounting: Sarich, Giordano, and Regehr are hurt bad. Phaneuf is as well, but it seems he will fight through the pain. It will be interesting to see who they wheel out there for Game 1.

by The Admiral on Apr 14, 2009 4:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey!!!

What kind of fan would pick work over the Hawks?
Do what I did, transfer to a Quality job in a manufacturing plant. All computer time is Research

by burpchelischili on Apr 14, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was wondering why he was listed on the roster despite the fact that I hadn’t heard anything else about him… I can’t believe he’s still playing…

some might remember Eriksson as the player traded from the Red Wings to the Blackhawks in exchange for the services of Chris Chelios..

by Killion on Apr 14, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh...

we remember him, don’t worry.

"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon

by HawkVision on Apr 15, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I need to proof things better...
Interestingly, while looking up stats for this I found out H

That’s supposed to say that while looking up all this info.. I found out Hammer has yet to take a penalty this season…

by Killion on Apr 14, 2009 10:59 PM CDT reply actions  

nothing to do with the flames defense, but...

does anyone know if they are doing something like they did at the sox playin game last year. I know during one of the game threads we talked about the possibility of everyone wearing red, white, or black. just wondering if anyone has heard anything cause i dont wanna wear a red jersey then look like an asshole cause the other 22,000 people are wearing black.

by jeff021690 on Apr 15, 2009 1:50 AM CDT reply actions  

wear red

they’re passing out 20,000 red towels.

maybe the powers that be at this site should put that up in a post today, to make sure all are aware.

getting very excited….

by GreenLantern411 on Apr 15, 2009 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice post guys, this is chock-full of info!

Can’t wait for Thursday, it’s going to be insane at the UC! :D

Feel free to email me at any time. =] Just let me know you're from SecondCityHockey!

by chisoxfan1473 on Apr 15, 2009 10:19 AM CDT reply actions  

What I am concerned about is.....

Keenan sending his goons after Kane, Toews, and/or Havlat to take them out of the game or the series early.

Don’t put it past him. It is his MO.

by Return of the Roar on Apr 15, 2009 10:39 AM CDT reply actions  

For all the tom-foolery

from here and the Committed Indian, we sure do get a lot of stats. We really do get some awesome statistical analysis while getting a healthy dose of making fun of the other team/the hawks/the writer’s alcoholism.

You and I are gonna live forever

by Original Six on Apr 15, 2009 11:05 AM CDT reply actions  

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