This Is Where It Starts?: Flames 2, Hawks 3 (OT)
by SamFels on Apr 17, 2009 2:31 AM CDT
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I've drawn the short straw here, and have to attempt to try and put into words what all that was tonight. Is it even close to possible? I'll do my best. First, let me start with your Corsi and shift charts. They both tell an interesting tale. By looking at the Corsi, you might assume this was a game the Hawks dominated. Couldn't be further from the truth. For at least the first 30, and probably 40, the Flames played this one to a T. They kept the Hawks to the outside, pretty much won everything along the boards, finished every check, and created a few chances of their own. I wouldn't be surprised if they're feeling quite robbed at this moment.
The Shift Charts tell another story as well. You'll see that Pahlsson drew the Jokinen-Iginla assignment, and once again Iggy was nowhere to be found. Or at least for the first half of the game. But the line of Bertuzzi-Langkow-Cammalleri was mauling the Hawks all night. Bolland and Versteeg couldn't stay with them. First Q tried shifting Havlat there, with Brouwer moving the to the fourth and Sharp to Daydream Nation. That worked all right, but then he reunited D. Ladd-Soul, seeing as how that line kicked the Flames cock in all year. This might be where you point to the game turning.
As I wrote in The Indian, my big fear tonight was that the Hawks would come out so juiced in a rollicking UC (and it was as loud as I've ever heard it), they'd have nothing left after it. It was quite the opposite. They looked tentative and nervous from the get-go. Luckily, they only found themselves down 1-0 after some good work by the Flames 3rd line. It could have been worse, and if not for Khabby, it would have been.
Interesting sidenote here: Which power play looked worse? The Hawks eventually created some chances on theirs, though not many, while the Flames just looked bewildered. Whoever gets theirs going first will go a long way to winning this.
Only halfway through the second did the Hawks start skating, and got what has to be a considered a slice of luck as Barker 2nd attempt, and much softer attempt, evaded Kiprusoff somehow. From there it was just a grind.
The 3rd looked pretty ugly for a while there, when Barker got caught at the Flames blueline, leaving Walker on a 2-on-1, which is basically a 2-on-.5. It's here that I saw a lot of Flames fans bitching about Keenan's decision to pack it in, and they probably have a right to do so. Giving the Hawks that much space is asking for trouble, and that's what they got.
12 seconds? Never has 12 seconds ever been so satisfying. A big thanks to Jordan Leopold, who turned over the puck to start, then decided to make it better by pushing Ladd right into Kipper has Marty buried the winner.
I'm gonna go faint. We have to do this again on Saturday?
Player Of The Game
Marty will save us.
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HAWKS WIN AND IM HAMMERED
"Oh, that's easy. White Sox. I'm not one of these fair-weather fans. You go to Wrigley Field, you have a beer; beautiful people up there. People aren't watching the game. It's not serious. White Sox, that's baseball. South Side." -O'Bama
WOW
total win!
Win #1. The first Blackhawks playoff game happened to be on my 27th Birthday.
Win #2 My Girlfriend bought me tickets!
Win #3 Havlat is healthy and helped me leave the UC smiling :)
Win #3.5 Chris Williams of the Bears went 2/2 in the shoot the puck promo at the 2nd intermission. Dale, sign that dude.
Win #3.75 Dude behind me won the autographed stick at the game.
Win #4 Got a copy of the Committed Indian before the game. I walked into the building at like 6:50 and the dude selling them only had like 5 copies, and he even told me “this is my first night selling these, and if I had known I would have brought a lot more!”
Moments of the night: The lights dimming and the scoreboard playing the “Cup Raise” NHL commercial from last year. Then at the end the words:
“WELCOME BACK PLAYOFFS, WE’VE MISSED YOU”
also, after the win and the 3 stars were announced
The scoreboard showed the stanley cup and the number 16.
which faded and was replaced by 15. truely epic.
it’s 6 am and I am still so pumped I cannot sleep!
GOOOOOOOO HAWKS!
My thoughts when Chris Williams did that:
“We have our replacement for Byfuglien.”
NOW STOP IT RIGHT HERE
I thought....
We would wake up this morning to see the headline “Bear’s Williams Injures Shoulder in Freak Hockey Shootout Contest Accident”
Is it...
cause I listen to the radio, or because he is prone to injury? Also, how did that radio spot go?
by The Admiral on Apr 17, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Hawks' Power Play
is still uglier than Susan Boyle. They need to get that shit straight.
The Hawks visibly gained confidence as the game went on, and got an education in playoff hockey, when they saw the refs are more likely to let things go. By the time Havlat tied it up, the Hawks were completely controlling this game.
Hawks in 5? You bet your sweet ass Hawks in 5.
HOCKEENIGHT.COM...home of FRIDAY NIGHT FIGHTS and LEAVE IT TO BETTMAN...now with PODCASTING!!!
I don't know Susan Boyle
but she must be hideous.
by russellguldin on Apr 17, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions
She may be ugly
but her voice is as pretty as the hawks goal horn.
Susan Boyle for reference; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxPZh4AnWyk
Claaaaasic Mike Keenan
On Marty’s game winner…
"I believe it was Ladd who did not try to stop his movement toward the net and that’s goaltender interference," Keenan said. "However, the officials saw it different or didn’t make the call because of the excitement of overtime."
Are you fucking kidding me Michael!? Don’t forget douchebag…YOUR team is 0-the decade on the power play, YOUR team got outworked the last half of the game, and YOUR goons took cheap shots all night (some of which weren’t called) and check the replay on the OT goal, YOUR defenseman pushed Ladd into Kipper, blame him…OH, and blame Leopold for finding an open member of the OTHER TEAM to start the setup of that goal.
Sorry, I read that this morning, and it just pissed me right the hell off. Can’t give credit where credit is due can ya, Mikey!? Alright, venting done. Focused on game two. LET’S GO HAWKS!!!
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
That shot on Kaner
by Bourque was a penalty; I didn’t hear Keenan coming clan about that. When the refs swallow the whistle you just have to take what comes. Hell, Keenan should be happy, because there were four other potential PP’s we could’ve had if not for the refs letting a lot of stuff go.
by russellguldin on Apr 17, 2009 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly my point in the game thread.
If this was a tightly called game, then Keenan and the Gingers might have more of a point. But they let a lot of things slide tonight, and Ladd didn’t skate into Kip just for the hell of it. The refs were pretty consistent. They were only going to call things that truly couldn’t be ignored.
Fine by me. Keenan’s tears, which incidentally, do not cure cancer, only make the team look weaker. If that’s how you want to respond to the loss, by whining about the refs and insinuating the Hawks are trying to run Kip, be my guest. I have a feeling that will motivate the Hawks more than his own team.
Got more soul than a sock with a hole.
Keenan deserves a Star
Keenan really helped the Hawks win this game. His strategy in the third period to play a passive “hold the lead” type defense enabled the Hawks to tie the game. Our forwards will carve through that muck anyday.
Also it was apparent that the absences of Regehr and Sarich were HUGE. Havlat scored the tying goal with the recent AHL player Eriksson starting in the playoffs is enormous break for the Hawks. And Vandermeer getting any kind of significant minutes bodes well for the Hawks
Goaltender Interference
The rule (#78) is “physically impeding or checking the goalie.” If you have ever seen a referee manual (I have a 2002 copy of USA Hockey’s manual, so my info may be inaccurate) it says that a player must “attempt to slow or stop his forward motion” towards the goal; if a player “gains momentum from a check or any physical contact with a defensive player,” then he is not responsible for his momentum and therefore “it is not interfering with the goaltender.”
FACT: Ladd was slowing as he approached the net;
FACT: A Calgary player (either Conroy or Vandermeer; he was wearing a ‘4’) checks Laddie as he approaches the goal;
FACT: Laddie is skating backwards when he makes contact with Kipper.
THEREFORE: Laddie impeded his forward momentum; gained momentum because of a defensive player; and was not in forward motion. In geometry, we call that PROVEN.
Also, to hear anyone associated with the Flames organization bitching about goaltender interference is like a rapist bitching about violence against women. And I forgot how girlish Keenan’s voice was. It’s amazing what you forget.
Amen.
Great explanation. Thank you.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Where is your signature quote from?
That’s hilarious. I miss the days of when Tallon could speak his mind in public.
by russellguldin on Apr 17, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Tallon's Quote (my signature)
It’s from the goal-review-happy days from the mid-90s, when it seemed like every goal was reviewed when they thought a skate was in the crease (back when the crease was a giant blue bubble) And the quote was when I was listening to a Hawks/Avalanche playoff game in ‘96 on the radio…The ’lanche scored a meaningless goal towards the end of the game and Tallon said, "What the hell, let’s review it." And when they actually did, he had the that classic disappointed tone and said (somewhat under his breath, but still wanted people to hear it) “What a farce.”
Definitely my all-time favorite Foley-Tallon moment.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
What was the name of the thread?
I want to see how angry you made the Flamers.
by russellguldin on Apr 18, 2009 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions
And thank you for your comments
If only Keenan and Colon Campbell read this fun little site…
by russellguldin on Apr 18, 2009 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Once again I’d like to reiterate my point that Hjallmerson isn’t quite up to NHL playoff standards yet. He was out of position and failed to use his body at all leaving a guy to chop away at a rebound right in front of his goalie (Keith did the same thing later too, unfortunately), which led to Moss muscling that puck into the net. For all the people crying that he is physical (bla, bla, bla), watch that play. Cover someone PLEASE! For the love of Khabby!
That second goal wasn’t really Walkers fault ( it’s hard to blame a defenseman left to defend a 2 on 1 like that), but he’s out of his league too.
Campbell might be the least physical defenseman ever.
Overall, the Hawks D worries me. They need more than 4 solid guys. Walker is lost, and Hjallmersson is inexperienced. Wizzer would look real nice back there, wouldn’t he?
Crying?
no one is “crying” about Hammer. I also don’t like to evaluate a player based on 1 play. Every D-man, on both sides, made errors last night. Look at it like this. He has played in 22 games this year, and averages 15min of ice time. For the season he is +4 with 0 PIM. 0!!!! He was great at clearing the zone last night, and was physical with the big Flames forwards. Pretty good for a 21yr old kid.
Oh, Lord, why Wiz?
Wiz was a smallish D-Man; Hammer has three inches and fifteen pounds on him. He did hit, but he was often out of position when he went for a hit, which resulted in an opportunity for the other team. I would never accuse Hammer of being physical, but he is an exceptional positional player. Try and think of a time when a player was able to rush around him; I can’t think of a game where I saw it happen. And think back to the last game against Scum, when he had Zetts in the corner and DID NOT LET HIM OUT. Hammer didn’t manhandle him; he put himself in perfect position to stop Zetts from getting out or making any kind of play. Wiz would have tried to muscle him and either miss his check (which he did more often than we like to remember) and then you have a Zetterberg to deal with.
Watch Wiz’s game in the series with Anaheim, and then tell me you miss him.
by russellguldin on Apr 17, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I said "either..."
…but I didn’t give you an “or.” so
…or Wiz would have made his hit, but not played the puck, which would have, floated away somewhere for a Dead Wing to get it.
I liked Wiz, but we are better defensively with Hammer.
by russellguldin on Apr 18, 2009 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions
So...
A lot of Calgary stuff wasnt called last night, but we got away with things too. When Byfuglien railroaded Kiprusoff, I thought that was going to be a penalty for sure. Also, shortly before Toews got called for the double minor, he was hooked / mauled while trying to split the D in the Calgary zone. Where was that call? That was something you have to call even in the playoffs.
Also, WOW! I know we all knew about that 0-42 drought coming into the game, but I didnt think Calgary’s PP would be THAT bad.
Looking for video from last night
If anyone sees a video posted of the national anthem from last night, can you post it here please? I’m dying to see it.
by Sportsgal on Apr 17, 2009 8:57 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
I’d love to find any video from that. I wonder if theres anything that might go up on CBH.com later.
You and I are gonna live forever
by Original Six on Apr 17, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Someone on the cbh message board found it.
http://www.suntimes.com/video/index.html?pid=1trqEwnZHkEy4rOS0VzdHL3AdQws__MM
More links to collumns in the thread here: http://boards.chicagoblackhawks.com/index.php?showtopic=32591
You and I are gonna live forever
by Original Six on Apr 17, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Anthem
That was an incredible anthem last night! Best I’ve experienced at the UC (can’t pick a winner between that one and the Winter Classic anthem at Wrigley). This video, although cool, does not even come close to doing it justice. Thanks for the link.
Haven't been able to listen
since I’m in class.
Here is Sarah Spain’s video which should be better since she was actually in the crowd and not the press box. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sgCf0EOjT4
You and I are gonna live forever
by Original Six on Apr 17, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep, that's why my head feels like it was
trampled by the Byfuglien family.
Got more soul than a sock with a hole.
Missing the Gray Lady
I haven’t seen that much emotion at a Hawks game since our feet were sticking the floor at in the old barn! It was great to hear the roar again. I think the only thing that would have put the game over the top is if Wayne Messmer would have stepped out on the red carpet for the anthem. LETS GO HAWKS!!!!
I had Chills last night
and I was 3.5 hours south. Lord I wish I was there.
by burpchelischili on Apr 17, 2009 10:00 AM CDT reply actions
Cheap bosses!!!
They wouldn’t give me their tickets…
And I know that they are St. Loopy Boos fans!!!
by burpchelischili on Apr 17, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
That sucks....
I had a Scum Wings fan right next to me. He was there with 3 Hawks fans. He never stood up (except reluctantly for the National Anthem), and kept cheering the scoreboard when the Wings scored. Uuuggghh. God, they fuckin suck
by The Admiral on Apr 17, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I have a boner. I’ll have one all day and may get myself fired. Can Martylark bear children? I want him to have my children. It’s all about man-love today boys, I’m sorry, can’t help it.
Huge nod to Q for recognizing quickly enough that the lines needed juggling, and for tossing away the experiments in time to let D. Ladd-Soul do its work on the Scuzz-Langkow-“Carcillo” line. I agree, Sam—without those changes I doubt this morning is a happy one.
I watch a lot of Ottawa games here in Nova Scotia (unfortunately), and I remember Havlat when he was a Senator. I hated him. He was a suck, a whiner, a skater who kicked other players (happened twice). The speed with which this guy grew up and manned-up is incredible. Just play, just skate your bag off … let that speak for itself.
Couldn’t be prouder of this team.
Just a thought...
I wonder if Q had anything to do with Havlat maturing. He seems to be fitting into Q’s strong points. Playing well defensively, being disciplined. All this while still playing a highly skilled offensive game.
You and I are gonna live forever
by Original Six on Apr 17, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Savvy and Q both played a big role, definitely, as well as the players. But the biggest factor I think was simply getting out of Ottawa. I won’t go on a huge Sens-bashing rampage, but they’ve had dressing room and character problems for years, and getting away from that and into a better environment, one where he was also obviously going to be called upon to play a primary and not a secondary role, was key.
2 Points from last night:
1. Was it me or did I really hear a “Lets Go Blackhawks” chant surfacing at some point during the 2nd last night? How awful.
2. Walker was by far the worst player on the ice last night for both teams, I don’t know what the hell Aaron Johnson did wrong when he was out on the ice to not deserve time over this clown.
Other than that couldn’t be happier with the win, the UC atmosphere looked unreal
Lets Go Hawks!
Yeah
There was a let’s go blackhawks chant that started in the section next to me, 313. Some of us tried to morph it into a let’s go hawks chant, but it had already picked up too many people. That’s collegiate shit.
You and I are gonna live forever
by Original Six on Apr 17, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
What's wrong with "Let's Go Blackhawks?"
That’s the chant my dad taught me, and he was at the Cup-winning game in ’61.
by russellguldin on Apr 17, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I heard it too.
I heard it too. I explained to my girlfriend (who got me the fix for my birthday. ) that they were a bunch of noobs for screwing up the chant. The weird thing is after the chant started I swear I heard the drums doing the same 5 syllable beat. Which kinda was weird.
Amazing game. Amazing atmosphere. Amazing team.
One goal. 15 to go.
How is that chant a "noob" chant
when my dad and uncles all used it from 1960-1984, the span of our family’s season tickets? It’s the chant I’ve used most of my 34 years of being a ’Hawks fan.
Yeah, I’m getting whiny, but I think that if someone wants to cheer on this team in the UC, join them no matter what they are saying.
My favorite chant? DETROIT SUCKS! I love it when that breaks out during a non-Scum game especially. So beautiful.
by russellguldin on Apr 18, 2009 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions
au contraire
I have written some pretty scathing things about Walker, but I thought he looked OK last night. There was very little he could do against that 2-on-1 (especially against a player like Cammalleri). In the 2nd, he won some good battles. This is most likely a fluke game, but he does seems to play well against Calgary (4 assists, +4)
I say “live it up for today, Matt Walker”
disagree, a little
On a 2-on-1, the d-man has to take the passing option away. It looked to me like Walker was trying to cheat a little to do both, which left Khabby vulnerable trying to go post-to-post. Minor criticism. The real error on the play was Bolland pinching when Barker was already tied up at the blue line. Damn rookies! :)
Cmon Man
That was a GREAT pass from Bertuzzi, nothing Walker can do on that.
I’ll even go this far., there’s a reason he’s the 6/7 D on the team… he’s bad but look t every tohter 6/7 D on any other team and htat person will be that bad. Stop all the Hate on him already, it’s old and tiresome people..
Love,
Luke “sky” Walker (Matt’s brother)
still drunk
spelling is hard.
You and I are gonna live forever
by Original Six on Apr 17, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Correct!
But i am somewhat serious with all the hate on Walker. He is who he is, a bottom line Defender. Don’t think he doesn’t know it…
Hate Q for having him in the lineup or Tallon for having him on the Roster.
agree
unfortunately a guy like Walker is almost a necessity on this team when 3 of the regular D-men are fairly “soft”…Barker has stepped up the physicality but generally Seabrook is always the guy who has to do the dirty work (like the retaliatory hit on Cleary) and he shouldn’t have to worry about that kind of stuff when he’s having to cover the top line on each team. When you couple that with a group of undersized forwards (save for Eager and Buff) Walker has a place no matter how slow and out of position he often is.
What Q should do is use him in a role like the Canadians use Laraque. He doesn’t suit up for every game, they use him when the Bruins and other physical teams are on the calendar and that’s what the Hawks should do with Walker. He shouldn’t suit up against teams like the Red Wings or Penguins or similar clubs and really with Regier out he doesn’t really need to play against the Flames either. He should be on a strict platoon with Johnson or Hjals. I would have liked to see Walker put a hit out on Bourque for that cheap hit on Kane.
by Crease Monkey on Apr 17, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Good point
but we also have Big Johnson on the team, who can be physical and play a smart game. Soup was at his most productive when he had Big Johnson as his partner. Go check the numbers.
by russellguldin on Apr 18, 2009 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions
So I'm sitting in a lecture right now
and I feel like jumping out of my chair and screaming. My adrenaline has not stopped pumping since I got on the train to head to the UC last night. Great job on the Committed Indian last night guys. I thought it was an excellent preview to the series. </kissing ass>
But what a fucking amazing game. Everything today seems a little better. Tonight will be a great celebration (part 2). Anyone have an extra for tomorrow? Hell I’ll stand out there and sell Committed Indians for 3 hours if it means I can get in.
You and I are gonna live forever
They said it was going to snow today.
Yet the hawks win, and its sunny and in the 60’s.
Got more soul than a sock with a hole.
Class on Friday?
Sucks to be you. Are you a freshman? That was the only time I had class on Fridays.
Yeah
Freshman at Loyola
You and I are gonna live forever
by Original Six on Apr 17, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Here's the Roar
This might be buried in the middle of the comments up there and all should see.
http://www.suntimes.com/video/index.html?pid=1trqEwnZHkEy4rOS0VzdHL3AdQws__MM
You and I are gonna live forever
If the hawks didn’t get his number. You can be they’ll have it for Saturday after watching the tapes.
Thanks Cammalleri
…for lighting a fire under Havlat’s ass! What a punk.
As I said last night
Cammalleri might think twice before suckering Havlat next game…
The Flames are all a bunch of Douche-canoes and the have the biggest one in the league in Dion Phadouche.
MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Apr 17, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Phadouche
just made me laugh out loud in front of my class.
by russellguldin on Apr 17, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
There was a penalty called on it
The refs came over before the puck drop and said something to them. Couldn’t see it from my seat, but definitely knew something was up.
You and I are gonna live forever
by Original Six on Apr 17, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I totally missed it and I think that happened at my end of the ice. The VP of Operations for the NHL was just on NHL and briefly talked about it, but it doesn’t sound like he’ll face anything more than a fine. I hope Cammalleri gets his face pounded in Saturday night!
Thats the way to do it.
You and I are gonna live forever
by Original Six on Apr 17, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Is Havlat capable of getting pissed off?
I mean, I’m glad he’s level-headed, but shit… if that were me, I would’ve had more of a Burish-like reaction than anything.
Also, I’d be shitting my pants if I were Cammalleri. When you’re already the smallest guy on the ice (next to Kane) and a total bitch too, you better believe Matt Walker is going to do the only thing he’s good at — inflict physical pain upon you. Either him or Seabrook, Eager, Burish, Fraser, Sharp — but they’re good at other things, too.
NOW STOP IT RIGHT HERE
You have some of the best pictures!!!
by burpchelischili on Apr 17, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Quick back story:
I was a diehard Blackhawks fan growing up in Oklahoma thanks the brilliance of a C-band satellite dish (this was LONG before Center Ice was born). For obvious reasons, it was sometimes hard for me to find Chicago’s home games on the big dish, but I found plenty of them.
I only became a Stars fan later in life because I’m from Dallas (where the Hawks top farm team used to be based). And for obvious reasons, much of my hockey attention has been directed towards the Stars and away from Hawks until the past few seasons.
Back to my point, April 26, 1994.
That was the night J.R. scored an OT goal in Game 4 of the Western Conference Quarterfinal series against Toronto. Sadly, that was also the last playoff series the Madhouse on Madison ever saw. But that one night was the last time, IIRC, Hawk fans have been able to celebrate a home playoff OT win.
Until last night, when Marty scored. I’m Houston today and was in their workout room frantically looking for Versus on the TV on my elipitical(sp?) when I finally found out just seconds before the OT scored.
I had a Gatorade in my hand when OT started, took a couple of swigs, then raised my hands when Marty scored, forgetting, of course, that I had a drink in my hand and the ceiling was but a few inches away.
Wound up banging the ceiling with my Gatorade and spilled it on the damn machine.
I’m looking for more moments like this as this series and playoff run continue along.
Defending Big D an SBN Dallas Stars Blog | TheStarsFans
Krivo in 96
My last playoff game before last night.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFEr96ltr9g
Got more soul than a sock with a hole.
very nice post
I’m sure I’m not the only one who thanks you for all your kind words and support. The Stars are a classy organization, and I can’t tell you how much I enjoyed seeing Eddie the Eagle win in Big D.
by The Admiral on Apr 17, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
Here’s the recap of the game from TSN. They show the Bourque hit and the elbow Havlat took to the face.
Ditto
It’s hard to see that from the 300’s, but the hit on Kane was pretty easy to see
by The Admiral on Apr 17, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
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