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Tell Yourself "We'll Start Again", Tell Yourself "It's Not The End" - Wings 3, Hawks 2 (OT)

Detroit Red Wings' Mikael Samuelsson, of Sweden, celebrates his game-winning goal during overtime in Game 2 of the NHL hockey Western Conference finals against the Chicago Blackhawks in Detroit, Tuesday, May 19, 2009. (AP Photo/Carlos Osorio)

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8 months ago: Detroit Red Wings' Mikael Samuelsson, of Sweden, celebrates his game-winning goal during overtime in Game 2 of the NHL hockey Western Conference finals against the Chicago Blackhawks in Detroit, Tuesday, May 19, 2009. (AP Photo/Carlos Osorio)

Tell yourself "It couldn't happen, not this way. Not today".

Tonight, the Hawks played well enough to win. Unfortunately, that's not going to cut it against the defending champs.

The men of Four Feathers came out storming once again, with 19 shots on goal in the first period. Unfortunately, only one found the twine off of Toews' stick on an extended powerplay, and it was fluky at that. Despite all the nay-saying, and all the peppering he received, Osgood loomed large in the first period, and he should be given credit.

The Wings drew even on a seeing-eye shot from Rafalski, with Holmstrom's smelly Swedish ass planted firmly in front of Nik. One noticeable point: If the Hawks are going to be that passive with the forwards pressuring the pointmen on the power play, then they should at least make an effort to move Holmstrom from in front, ESPECIALLY with Walker out there (because that's the only conceivable purpose he serves).

Detroit dictated the pace in the second, and the Hawks went over 10 minutes without a shot. That's not to say they played poorly, but some offense needs to be generated. Once again, a Seabrook blue-line-queef led to a Cleary chance, and again, he made no mistake when in alone on Khabibulin.

The Hawks came out crashing and banging in the third, and it finally yielded results with Toews redirecting his second of the night off of a soft Versteeg point shot with about 7 to go.

From there on it was a taffy pull, and overtime seemed to be an inevitability. Not to be "that guy", but the calls seemed to be tilted in the Wings favor. There were a couple of times the Hawks broke in against flat-footed defenders reaching with nary a call, yet somehow Dave Bolland got called for a phantom hook/trip/whatever-the fuck. I understand that it's a tie game in the conference finals and the whistles got put away, just do so equally when Darren Helm clearly fell down on his own breaking into the Hawks' zone.

In all honesty, overtime was a blur for me, and I was taking a piss when the goal was scored. From what I saw on the replay, Campbell could have stayed on his feet to get over and cut the breakout pass off, but I can't be too certain. Additionally, Cam Barker needs to be on his feet longer, especially if he sees a trailer coming to make a 3-on-1. But there's not much anyone can do about it now. The Hawks CAN skate with these guys, and as we've been told it's not really a series until someone loses at home. Go get 'em Friday, boys. It's only the biggest game of the year.

Special thanks to The Admiral, Section 326 Bureau Chief, and clhoffy for making it out to The Whirlaway. And thanks to Sergio and Maria as always for having us.

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The worst phantom call of the night

Buff’s “goaltender interference.” He looked like he was pushed. It looked tame compared to Ladd’s screen on Kipper in Game 1 of the Calgary series. That definitely should have been a Hawks PP. But referees don’t win and lose games, and the Hawks have plenty of room for improvement. Here’s hoping that extra day off helps.

by hawksfan21 on May 20, 2009 12:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not going to whine about the officiating, I did like the hooking call on Bolland and the hold on Pahlsson

by cubs22 on May 20, 2009 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the refs missed a ton of calls on both sides

they missed brouwer’s blatant interference and kane had a lazy hook
but the red wings slashed a few of our sticks in half with no calls and kane took a blade to the face

"Oh, that's easy. White Sox. I'm not one of these fair-weather fans. You go to Wrigley Field, you have a beer; beautiful people up there. People aren't watching the game. It's not serious. White Sox, that's baseball. South Side." -O'Bama

by Hawk is God on May 20, 2009 6:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I second that. It was weak, Osgood clearly dragged him down. I felt embarrassed about that call, being a Wings fan, but was glad they did call the penalty on Osgood as well.

by jameshstephenson on May 20, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trouble?

Still Trouble in the Windy City??? GO WINGS!!!!!

by Curtisro63 on May 20, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly think

The call on Buff was one of the weakest calls I have ever seen, he was pushed into Osbad, and he at least showed enough effort to show he was trying to leave the crease while Osbad decided to try and wrap him up and take him to the mat and see if he could get him to stay there for a 3 count. I hate complaints and whining about those blind mofo’s known as zebras, but really? I do not blame those tards for the loss, but I think the only thing anywhere near as sweet as seeing the ‘Hawks hoist the cup would be to see a game that the zebras don’t blow a few major calls

wait what?

by pepe126 on May 20, 2009 1:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

didja see the one in Ducks/Wings game 7 when Pronger cross checked Hudler and Hudler was down on his knees sliding into Hiller, and only Hudler got called for a penalty? that one gives the buff call a run for its money…

by ahtrap on May 20, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

What I don’t think is fair is if the goalie gets a penalty, why can he still stay on the ice. I think the substitute goalie should have to play for the 2 min or whatever penalty.

If I can't be a good example, I'll just be a horrible warning

by Trixietrx on May 20, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My sister said the same thing. It’d be interesting. I know that’s how they do it in lacrosse. I was watching a game last month where the backup goalie had to go in for the starter due to a penalty in the fifth sudden death OT! Talk about a long layoff since the warmup.

by hawksfan21 on May 20, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I felt like

Brouwer could have done a better job back checking on the 3 on 1. I don’t know. Maybe I need to watch it again. I really don’t want to though.

You and I are gonna live forever

by Original Six on May 20, 2009 1:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t care if they go back 2-2 or 1-3, this series will be detirmined with Game 5.

by CaptainPorkchop on May 20, 2009 4:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Brian Campbell

OUCH man, you guys here have ripped Matt Walker all year wrong. Soupy made the worst play of the season, by far last night. HORRIBLE PLAY. In fact for a guy getting paid what he does, there is just no excuse for that play on OT. He is the worst D man as far as giving up the puck we have right now, not Walker…. Dale Talons worst move signing this guy.

by SLAZZ on May 20, 2009 6:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Tallon’s worst move was signing our best D-man in the playoffs? Thats a really good sign for everything else he’s done then

by ChargingMajor on May 20, 2009 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you’re going to judge the mst productive defensive player on our team by one play in one game? Do you work for the Canadiens or something?

by russellguldin on May 20, 2009 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is still no excuse for a guy getting seven million a year to turn the puck over like he did in OT (and he says he will make the play 100 times….), and no I don’t work for the Canadians, lol. He has been a disappointment all year long,going what 40+ games with out a goal. That’s pretty bad for an offensive defense man. Not to mention he has a history of being bad in the playoffs.

by SLAZZ on May 22, 2009 6:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's never been a goal scoring defensemen.

That was not what anyone in the Hawks organization was expecting out of him after the signing.

If you did, that’s your fault.

Got more soul than a sock with a hole.

by chrome on May 22, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keith and Seabs need to step it up

settle the fucking puck Seabrook.

Keith on the other hand has been a total disappointment since the Calgary series. For all his speed and stick work he has been beaten A SHITLOAD of times. This isn’t a fucking free kick in soccer where we have to guys at the post. Move people from in front of the net. Keith has been Walker-esque in his consistent failure to clear the puck.

"Oh, that's easy. White Sox. I'm not one of these fair-weather fans. You go to Wrigley Field, you have a beer; beautiful people up there. People aren't watching the game. It's not serious. White Sox, that's baseball. South Side." -O'Bama

by Hawk is God on May 20, 2009 6:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

enjoyed the whirlaway

i was the kid in the toews jersey who ate all six of the tamales from the tamale guy and pounded old styles all night, sitting next to the Chief.

needless to say, i don’t feel so good.

i’m not worried about game 3. get em!

by GreenLantern411 on May 20, 2009 6:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Kaner

I know the kid was brought here to score goals, but how about playing a little fucking D once in awhile. Go back and watch the replay of Samuelsson’s goal – Kane just plain quits skating at the red line. Upon closer inspection you can see Samuelsson is so close to Kane when he quits skating he could easily have taken him out of the play. Instead he buries one on a damn 3 on 1.

by Derbycity23 on May 20, 2009 6:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ive made peace with the fact the god damn kid

is gonna be a -5 or so every year, but for fuck sake do you think you can hustle for ten seconds in OT of a playoff game maybe? When Campbell coughed it up, he was standing right next to Samuelsson. He never should have been behind the play to begin with.

by nofolds on May 20, 2009 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know we aren't supposed to diss the kid

and so this isn’t intended as a diss. But I do agree, he needs to learn from say JCH – who I saw many times at one end of the ice and then SURPRISE there he was at the other end just seconds later. I just get frustrated seeing Kane seem to just lazily cruise around, even going to the bench to end his shift, if he doesn’t have the puck. Not to say he isn’t a great scorer, he is, I just hope he can up his game to be even more to the Hawks.

If I can't be a good example, I'll just be a horrible warning

by Trixietrx on May 20, 2009 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

crap - meant JHC

need more coffee.

If I can't be a good example, I'll just be a horrible warning

by Trixietrx on May 20, 2009 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen

I love the kid, but you’ve got to play both ways. He does seem lazy at times on D and reaches a hell of a lot instead of moving his feet.

by Derbycity23 on May 20, 2009 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Learning experience (hopefully) for Kane

Kane needs to kick in the ass at times. And yes, he gets lazy on defense. He’s never going to be a + performer on the ice, but plays like that one last night are inexcusable.

by BLou on May 20, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Q allows Scotty Bowman to do some coaching in addition to whatever it is he does with the Hawks, by the end of Bowman’s run with Chicago, Kane will be a more complete player, including on the defensive end.

Steve Yzerman was a goal scoring machine into the mid 90s, not really sacrificing for D until Bowman came around. The things you see in Datsyuk, the Selke winning committment to D, that comes from Scotty Bowman’s system, even if he played under Bowman himself for just the one season. Kane’s got the tools, just remains to be seen whether he gets the tutelage to bring out all his abilities.

by ahtrap on May 20, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kane is still just 20 and has gotten by on pure talent

rather than work ethic. He’s also not very fast and has no burst from a standstill (as did a certain #99). Kane really needs to build up his lower body to become a more powerful skater. He did quit on that play, but I think that has more to do with fatique and the failure to comprehend that it was OT of the most important game of the year.

I was encouraged by the team’s performance. I didn’t expect them to beat the Red Wings because the nucleus of this team has been together for 18 months whereas many of the Wings have been together the better part of a decade. I enjoy watching a team mature and get better and hopefully the Hawks will do that. It’s obvious the defensive turnovers at the blueline have hurt them all year and it has again in this series. That needs to be fixed and it’s a mental adjustment rather than a physical one. I was more disappointed in the Seabrook turnover off a won faceoff. I have no idea what he was doing. He shot the puck towards the boards at a 90 degree angle rather than sending it deep or towards the net. It was a brainfart and it cost them the game. Two faceoffs drawn back to Seabrook resulting in 2 goals in these 2 games. He has to do better.

by Duck99 on May 20, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kane

There is an arrogance of sorts and a perception of dogging it that needs to be overcome by him. I would hope that he is prescribed a rigorous offseason training regiment, to include lower body strengthening. Also, as others have mentioned, Kane needs to “commit to the Indian” in better fashion. He could learn something from Toews in these two regards.

by BLou on May 20, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doing my best Eddie O

I watched the replay about 8 times and “stopped it right here” about 5 times and although Kane is right in the play initially, he gets cut off by Campbell going to the ice. He has to side step Phantom and by the time he starts skating he is easily 2 strides back. For whatever its worth, I do agree with the consensus that he seems to lack a certain desire to get back on D

by ChargingMajor on May 20, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

I don’t think we can put that one on Kaner. Actually, I think Kaner had a much better game that game 1. Seemed to be skating with a lot more confidence.

by Geoffhawk on May 20, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen

Brouwer almost caught Samuelsson comin’ from 5 feet further back.

Kane’s gonna be great, but if anyone is wondering why the number two scorer on the team can’t get a +/- above zero, this is Exhibit A.

This is ok in lacrosse or soccer, from what little I know of those games, but not here.

by cliffkoroll on May 20, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kane gets a lot of his points on the powerplay

He will probably never have a great +/- for this reason.

by Geoffhawk on May 20, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That makes no sense...

…if he gets a lot of his goals on the power play, that should help his plus minus rating. Last time I checked, teams get scored against, more than they score short handed goals.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on May 20, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Goals on the Power Play don’t count towards +/-, if I remember correctly. Only if you score (or get scored on) shorthanded, which is a +/-2.

"Don't touch my dream with your dirty hands!"

by Justice and Rule on May 20, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup
The plus-minus is never affected when a power play goal is scored by either team.

Thanks Wikipedia

by Matthew Dirt on May 20, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I stand corrected

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on May 20, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That one hurt...

OT loss is never easy to take. They definitely played well enough to win. They looked lighter on their feet last night and were able to skate with the Red Wings. Down 0-2 isn’t the best situation but coming back home for 2 can certainly cure that. Eventaully some of the calls and bounces gave to go the Hawks way(not that there have been too many terrible calls)
Friday night will be a big one, they have to play right on the edge of emotional but not too emotional. They need to use a loud crowd to their advantage.

by Roos-34 on May 20, 2009 6:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Scum fan here

you Blackhawk fans have a right on bitching about a few calls. I think you’re right, Buff was pushed and it did look like Helm just fell down. Thems the breaks. Believe it or not, the Wings usually get shitty calls against them all the time, last night not being one of those nights.
I’m glad these 2 teams are playing meaningful games, the rivalry never died, it was just in a coma. The Blackhawks have a great, young nucleus. If they can keep them together in the salary-cap era, you guys should be in it every year for quite some time. This is a growing pains year for them-lose now to learn how to win for many years in the future, just like the Wings in the early 90s. You’re D is solid, the young forwards need to get better with their defense. You’re also 2 solid front-liners away. Split the Toews and Kane line up so you have 2 excellent scoring lines and not have to depend on 1 line all the time. This is just an outsiders objective view, bash if you want, IDGAF

by JazzyBBP on May 20, 2009 7:45 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

wow, it’s nice to see a respectful fan of the opponent. Shocking surprise.

by G8K33P3R on May 20, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the refs did a decent job; if anything they were too tentative in giving a team an advantage. The evidence on that is the BS call on Buff and how Laddie got away with a very clear slash during the last seven minutes of the game. In all honesty, I prefer this type of refereeing to what I saw in Vancouver and Calgary.

by russellguldin on May 20, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No need to split Toews and Kane up when you have Havlat-Bolland-Ladd. Hawks have not had to depend on one line all the time all year. If anything they are similar to the Wings in that they get production out of 3 or 4 lines pretty consistently. This is why I believe no team coming out of the east can beat the Hawks or the Wings and that this WCF series will decide the Cup.

by runningquicklynowhere on May 20, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

The Pens would give either a run for their money, and I don’t want to imagine a series against Cam Ward. I’m hoping Pittsburgh humanizes and eliminates Ward before he can give me nightmares….

by ahtrap on May 20, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sad to see it go this way...

Yes, the Hawks were much, much better than in game 1, but they still seemed to get to a plateau and think to themselves “this is good enough”. They were wrong. They still need to step it up a notch or two, stop standing around so much, sustain the offensive pressure and really get up in the Wings faces.

by Alien Rendel on May 20, 2009 8:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Tough game

Honesty compels me to say that the Redwings remain a clearly superior team to the Blackhawks. It is amazing how stiffling the Detroit defense can be, and what is frustrating is that you just know that Chris Osgood is beatable.

The Blackhawks will learn and build from this series. Detroit is simply a better and deeper hockey club in all phases of the game. There is a reason why they have won multiple Stanley Cups.

by BLou on May 20, 2009 8:48 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree...

…and to put it simply; the Wings know the difference between smelling blood and sensing danger and they adapt their game in a seconds time and play accordingly. This is the one area the Hawks have not learned yet, and the difference in this series is the Hawks have went for blood, when they should have sensed danger.

Hopefully, they will learn that lesson and adapt because they can skate with Detroit. I think the Hawks win games 3 and 4 and end up bowing out in 6.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on May 20, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tough game...

…No doubt, but it’s not really a series until someone loses on home ice. If the Hawks hold serve in Chi-city this weekend, it’s right back to even. The Hawks can beat these guys and they know it. They’ve just gotta play a perfect game to do so and I think coming back home will give them the push they need.

by Let'sGoHawks on May 20, 2009 9:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good bar...

Bad result. Sorry for the Irish exit, if I stayed any longer I would have drowned my sorrows in several shots of tequila, resulting in me being a fourth roommate of McClure, or worse.

Im not blaming anyone. They needed to score in OT and didnt do it. Enough said.

by clhoffy on May 20, 2009 9:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This is a seven game series

While I am trying not to view this series through rose colored glasses, I think it is valuable to remember that although down 2-0, we are coming home, where we might get some calls or breaks to go our way.

We also can adjust. Q has done a good job thus far in being nimble. We improved over the last game, and the Hawks’ MO this entire run has been the ability to come from behind.

That being said, they need to win both games at home to stay in the hunt. It is a tall order, and there is enough blame to go around on the team for who could pick up their game. It must be remembered that Detroit will make you pay for EVERY mistake you make.

One positive observation I can make though is that the emphasis on more physical play is and will continue to reap benefits for the Hawks. IMHO, that can be an equalizing factor against the experienced team they are playing.

by Return of the Roar on May 20, 2009 10:03 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Physical Play

I’m amazed at how Detroit seems to shy away from contact at all. I haven’t seen one instance of shoving or even a face wash after the puck is killed around the net in either game by Detroit. The only ones doing the instigating are on our side. Total opposite from both the Flames and Canucks series.

My opinion is that the mental side of the physical game doesn’t work on a team as experienced as the Wings. They are cool customers who rarely get baited into a fight.

I like Seabrook’s comment the other day about focusing on staying in the play instead of just making contact – there were a couple of instances last night in the 2nd period where I thought they were trying too hard to make the hit instead of gaining control of the puck. Just my 2 cents.

by Derbycity23 on May 20, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is a measure of truth in that

However, I would submit that an extended series of being banged around may reveal the Wings’ “experience” vulnerable to age and the ability to handle sustained physical play. No doubt the Hawks have to be smart about it – not being overzealous in the use of force – rather focusing on staying in the play.

They have to find a solution to getting the puck out of their own zone and keeping it in theirs. I think a focus on forechecking more aggressively in the neutral zone will be the best way to spring odd man breaks for us once in a while. I don’t think dump and chase favors the Hawks in this series as long as they fail to control the zone once they get the puck in deep.

by Return of the Roar on May 20, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

I agree with that too to an extent…Eager is always guilty of that and Buf was last night as well….however in the cases of Holmstrom who Walker/Seabrook/Barker need to start pounding on…the dude is a walking concussion already so what’s another?….and Datsyuk, they were both a little too comfortable hanging around the crease last night. They both took some hits but nothing that made him revert back to flybys. I’m also ok with Seabrook doing a remix of his board hit on Cleary from the Winter Classic. That said, there has to be some correlation to Hossa and Datsyuk’s performances in the playoffs as the result of the physical play by CHI and ANA. Hossa got hammered at least 4 times last night and he was virtually a non-factor.

by Crease Monkey on May 20, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was it Hossa or Datsyuk

that came off the ice and was in some sort of pain after what looked like a light check into the boards near their bench in the 3rd? You’re right i think the physical toll of the ANA series and the start of this one is starting to catch up to them

by Roos-34 on May 20, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Datsyuk is not 100%. In addition to the pained expression after that light hit the other night, he is skating slower than usual and scoreless in the last several games. Something is up there and will only be revealed once the Wings finish play for the year.

by Alien Rendel on May 21, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really need to re-watch that one

Made the drive to stinkyD last night for the game and OT was definitely a blur… I know I was yelling alot judging by the current condition of my voice, but I can’t put my finger on what went wrong. I must say that I was pleasantly surprised by the Detroit fans though – everyone was actually pretty cool and well-spirited. Not the right ending, but definitely a positive experience.

Grow one!
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by McBeardy on May 20, 2009 10:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The boys need to hit the gyms hard today, hit the bikes and push themselves. Then take the day off tomorrow.

Regroup and be ready to work hard on Friday.

by wlittle on May 20, 2009 10:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Saddened by the outcome, not disappointed in the effort

After game one I had my doubts, after last night I believe. The Wings are a better team, there is no doubt about that, but the Hawks can beat them. I believe it. It is the resilient nature of this team, the fight, the guts that I hang my hat on. Yeah it sucks down 2 games, nobody said this was going to be easy.

I believe that the Hawks have outplayed the Wings for most of the two games (OK, maybe not for the most of two games, how about for the most part?) and were it not for a couple of weird bounces and two breakaway goals by Cleary, I believe the end result would be different. Seriously. The Wings are a better team, but the Hawks can win.

Detroit held serve at home, and now we need to do the same. We can win this thing.

by Skags on May 20, 2009 11:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Soupy...

..could have picked a better time to decide he was Bobby Goddamn Orr.

That being said, his work in the playoffs has not gone unappreciated in this quarter. I just wish he had kept it simple there.

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by Forklift14 on May 20, 2009 11:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Some of you might need this right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sahSEi7diAc&feature=channel_page

I’m done dwelling on last night. I’m looking forward to Friday. No more use in sulking. I’m sure Q will run a damn good practice and the hawks will come out Friday looking like the sharper team. I’m gonna start getting psyched up now.

You and I are gonna live forever

by Original Six on May 20, 2009 12:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

as lame as VS is...

that is one damn great commercial (minus the red wing clips). Actually, come to think of it, the clips of the heavily favored wings having success and raising the Cup doesn’t really fit with the theme of the commercial. Either way, cool commercial, thanks for the link.

by Geoffhawk on May 20, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm normally VERY negative after a loss, but I'm trying not to be this time.

Even though I’m the first person to criticize our players, I have to commend them for playing a much improved game last night. If anything, I think it’s a sign of things to come. Yes, I was pissed at what unfolded at the end of OT, but I’m not going to put the blame solely on one person especially not on one play.

Osgood is a good goalie, but he’s not better than Luongo or even Kipper. The key to beating him is getting a body in front of him. He’s way too short and immobile to get around a screen. Even if we’re not going to have one person stand in front of the net, at least getting close enough to him that a defender has to position himself in Ozzie’s eyeline will work to our advantage.

that's what she said

by Sportsgal on May 20, 2009 1:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Osgood is surrounded by an outstanding defense

I don’t think you will find anybody who claims Osgood is a great goalie. In fact, I doubt even Osgood would make that claim. But Osgood is a good battle tested goalie who is blessed with an absolute stiffling and deep defense. And a team philosophy were all forwards and centers commit hard to defense as well. Unlike for example what we see out of Patrick Kane.

by BLou on May 20, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d call him great, but I find a difference between a “great” and an “elite” goalie. I think Bulin is great, too, just in a different way. He’s just inconsistent (Varies between average and amazing too often to be “elite”, while Osgood is that sort of consistently good goalie that is hard to find nowadays, and he has another level when it comes to playoffs (Which is how he earns the “Great” rating with me). I mean, look at last night; the Wings defense was not playing well and the Hawks won the offensive battles. Osgood stole that game with 37 saves when his team was not playing up to the competition.

"Don't touch my dream with your dirty hands!"

by Justice and Rule on May 20, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

The big majority of those 37 shots Osgood faced weren’t the greatest of shots. In fact, many were downright feeble or long-range. Osgood is a good goalie and does stand on his head in the playoffs. But I’ll make the argument that he is a product of a truly great, committed and deep defense assembled around him. I’m not worried about Osgood beating the Blackhawks is another way to put it.

by BLou on May 20, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The ESPN play-by-play disagrees with you. There are a lot of under-30ft shots in there, and a nice amount by Buffy within 11/12 ft. Chicago also beat Detroit on scoring chances by a few to go along with beating them on shots. Unless Chicago did a lot worse than I saw on my T.V. screen, I don’t think you can underplay Osgood’s performance last night considering how many shots and chances were against him.

"Don't touch my dream with your dirty hands!"

by Justice and Rule on May 20, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing is over

1. Must score > 2 to beat Scum. Great Scum D again covers for average goaltender . Good effort and a lot of shots, but few quality chances, and those ended up in Osgood’s glove.

2. Best back-to-back games of year for Khabi wasted. If he keeps it up though, we still have life.

3. Just inside offensive zone is most dangerous place on the ice. Two more goals and other scary shot blocks etc. Most odd-man rushes develop here.

4. Playing good enough to beat Vancouver does not make one Cup-worthy.

5. On the other hand, a win Friday and Hawks are back to where they were after game 3 against Vancouver.

6. Keith has to be hurt. More mystifying play and misses on open-ice passes. “The Hawks have been mum on Duncan Keith, who hasn’t practiced or participated in morning skates during the series. After Tuesday’s game, Keith’s voice was hoarse during postgame interviews and its possible he’s battling an illness. Keith’s ice time has been down a bit as both Brian Campbell (27:05) and Brent Seabrook (26:53) played more minutes than Keith’s 21:48.” Tough luck, that.

7. Maybe I’ve been watching too much hockey, but I could have sworn (a) Toew’s first goal was intentionally off the D’s skate,, not fluky, and (b) Cleary’s breakaway wasn’t lucky, but a great read on Seabrook.

by cliffkoroll on May 20, 2009 2:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

1. Must score > 2 to beat Scum. Great Scum D again covers for average goaltender . Good effort and a lot of shots, but few quality chances, and those ended up in Osgood’s glove.

You know what? This is bullshit. I’m sorry, I fully admit I’m a Wings fan, but calling Osgood an “average” goaltender is a clear indication that you have no clue what the hell you are talking about.

Osgood is a great goalie. No, he’s not a one-in-a-lifetime goalie like Hasek or Roy, but he’s been one of the most consistent good goalies of the modern era; he’s been outshined by more than a few flash-in-the-pan goalies, but Osgood has endured through consistent and solid play. His playoff stats are excellent, and almost unrecognizable when you think about the reputation he carries (2.11 GAA is damn good, and his Save Percentage is quite good as well). Generally speaking (And James Mirtle posted a column on this around the time the Vezina nominees were announced), he faces far tougher chances and shots because once you are in on the Detroit defense, you are in prime scoring real estate.

The problem with Osgood is that he played on a few good teams that absolutely failed to perform, and instead of looking at the entire team’s inability to perform, they found an easy scapegoat in Osgood. The same jackasses that say Osgood is a bad goalie are generally the same people that blame Curtis Joseph for 2003 and the problems in 2004, when it was Detroit’s inability to buy a goal and Ken Holland’s miserable management of Hasek that affected his performance.

Osgood is a great goalie. Perhaps he’s not a Hall of Famer, but that doesn’t mean that he’s “average”. If you downplay him, you’ll never understand how Detroit manages to win with him.

Okay, with that out of the way, I wanted to comment on a few things.

- This might be an example of a 7 Game series that stops at 5. I mean this as a compliment, not an insult; I’m not sure that the Hawks can take more than a game, simply because Detroit matches up against Chicago ridiculously well. They’ll make it close every game, but the Wings can score just as much as them and have a superior defense. They’re built so similarly, but Detroit’s just a better team right now.
- I agree there were a few bad penalties (Buffy got screwed), though the one Helm drew wasn’t bad. It was just misnamed; it wasn’t a hook, but he definitely drove the butt-end of his stick into Helm’s side. I don’t think you can argue that. We had a pretty big discussion at Battle of California on the subject of bad calls and refs already, if you want to find it.
- Win or lose, the Hawks are showing that they are a true contender. I’d picked them over Calgary and Vancouver because I thought they were a real contender, and I’m glad that I was right. This is only the start, guys; you have a team that might change a little bit, but has the foundation of a great team. More importantly, it’s cultivating a lot of good-will; in a few years, you’ll see discounts starting to come in from people who want to compete.

"Don't touch my dream with your dirty hands!"

by Justice and Rule on May 20, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I cannot disagree with anything you've said.

Nice post.

Got more soul than a sock with a hole.

by chrome on May 20, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice post

Osgood’s playoff record has proved time and again that he is a good goalie (not sure about great, but everyone’s ideas of good/great/elite are different). Consistency is key, and Osgood has provided that. While someone like Khabibulin, who in my opinion, has a higher ceiling in terms of ability to perform in any given game, than does Osgood, Osgood has just been more consistently solid. While Khabby might be able to come up with a spectacular save that a guy like Osgood might not get to, you also don’t see Osgood give up the soft goals that Khabibulin occasionally lets in.

by Geoffhawk on May 20, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even still, I must admit that if you are trying to find a single point of weakness, relative to the rest of the team, on the wings, you just have to look to Osgood (or the PK, I guess). That is more of a compliment to the rest of the team than it is an insult to Osgood. If you’re weakest link is a very solid goaltender, than you are in pretty good shape!

by Geoffhawk on May 20, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. The problem with the PK throughout the season is baffling. Part of it is the number of 5-on-3’s that the Wings draw relative to the amount of penalties they take, which I chalk up to lazier play this year. Of course, they’ve been improving each round on it. Or I’m not as frightened by it as I was at the start.

And yeah, my definition of “great” is different from most. Generally it means you have some of the characteristics of an elite goalie, but fall short in some aspects. Osgood, like you say, does not have the raw talent of goalies like Kiprusoff, Luongo, or Lundqvist.

What he does have, however, is intangibles (And stickhandling. He’s one of the top-3 stickhandling goalies in the league today, in my opinion). Ridiculously important intangibles, too. He’s mentally tougher than any other goalie I can think of, I suspect in large part from the wealth of crap which his heaped upon him. Osgood is a guy who is always going to have to prove himself, for better or for worse.

But almost as important, Osgood has a patience that is hard to find in goalies. One of Hasek’s biggest problems in Detroit was keeping himself in the game. Hasek always fed on a lot of shots and a lot of work. When he got a lot of work, he looked unstoppable (i.e. 2002 WCF). When he didn’t, though, he was prone to catastrophic breakdowns (2008 WCQF). Osgood can thrive in high-shot amounts and low shot amounts, which is a unique quality in a good goalie, and why he fits so well into Detroit.

"Don't touch my dream with your dirty hands!"

by Justice and Rule on May 20, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is right on. People underestimate Osgood in a big way.

by Alien Rendel on May 21, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Osgood...eh.

So, why couldn’t Detroit settle on Osgood v. Conklin before the playoffs?

Is it becasue Osgood was average this year? Hmm.

Based on what I’ve seen the last couple weeks, Osgood isn’t in the same league with Luongo. An outmanned and offensively-challenged Anaheim team went to seven games against Scum because of decisively superior goaltending.

It’s actually a testament to the Scumbags that they can compete and maybe wina Cup with an average goaltender, so quit pissing down your pant leg.

by cliffkoroll on May 21, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Osgood is one of the most underrated goaltenders of this generation!

What does this guy have to do to gain respect? Right now you could make the case that Osgood has not only been the difference maker in this series but as the Conn Smythe for MVP of this year’s playoffs so far. Osgood could possibly backstop the Wings to their 5th cup in 12 years and his 3rd as a starter. How many goaltenders have done that in recent times? Fuhr, Roy, and Brodeur are/were first ballot H.O.F. yet most snicker at the thought of Osgood being mentioned. Yes he doesn’t face a high percentage of quality chances per game, and yes he does play on argueably the best defence and defensive system in place right now in the NHL, but can’t that also be said of Brodeur and his 3 Championships with the Devils, and wouldn’t that make him a modern-day Dryden? How often did Dryden face 10 or more chances per game? Not many, not with that team not with that defence.
Osgood has had his meltdown moments like the MacInnis goal in 98 and in the same playoff year the Langenbrunner OT winner in the Conference Finals and both times rebounded with SO to clinch the series. Has anyone seen Ozolinsh’s goal on Brodeur in Game 3 of the 2003 finals? Even the great ones have their moments and Osgood is no exception.
We all agree his regular season numbers were awful this season, but when it came down to crunch time in the money season Osgood has been at his very best and that’s why the Hawks need to treat him just like Luongo and Kiprusoff. Traffic at all times and rattle him any chance they get (verbally, bump him, whatever) for he is definitely right now in his ZONE!
In the end stats don’t lie and neither do championships and if Osgood is successful again one has to wonder why he wouldn’t be a ‘no doubt’ first ballot H.O.F.!

by hawks61 on May 20, 2009 9:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Consistancy is the key; to victory in game 3

“The team that is most consistant during the series more often than not wins”-Sidney Crosby. Why quote Crosby? The Hawks are in a similar position that the Penguins just found themselves in against the Capitals. Now the Wings are much more talented group and the task of rallying back from 0-2 seems much more daunting the fact remains that in Game 2 the Hawks were the better team and if it weren’t for 2 offensive zone mishandles this series would be even coming home, and that is were hope lies.
If the Hawks can bring the same type of effort (but eliminate those 2 mistakes) in Game 3 there is no doubt they will be victorious and start to put pressure on the seemingly tired Wings. The fact that Babcock mentioned in his post-game press conference that his Wings were showing the effects of the last series makes one wonder that if the hawks can take full advantage of home-ice in the next 2 games then the opportunity of winning this series could become a greater reality. Injuries and fatigue are definitely two components that could drastically change the momentum of a series.
The fact remains can the Hawks be positively consistant? Can they continue to get the first goal? Can they add on to leads instead of squandering them? Can they put the Wings on their heels trailing heading into the 3rd? We’ve seen them do it all season and especially the playoffs, were comebacks have been as regular as the sun rising in the east, so why not now? why not this series? If the Hawks are to beat the Wings they’ll need a consistant effort for 60 minutes for the next 4-5 games and if they do the possibility of this historic comeback is real.
Consistancy is the key and if they can unlock it then 48 years of waiting may be served!!!

by hawks61 on May 20, 2009 9:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

so is kane the exploding boy? or do you need to get on the scoresheet to earn that distinction?

i used to play that song (inbetween days B-side) all the time on WNTH-FM, high above new trier high school in winnetka, IL…granted, that was 24 years ago…but that coincides with the hawks being a great team and at the time the wings sucked…as glad as i am to see the hawks advancing this far, i still must hand it to the wings…but props to the remaining original 6!
LGRW!

by woodward on May 21, 2009 5:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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