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Breaking up Daydream Nation - Could it lead to wearing down Lidstrom?

In Game 1, Toews and Kane were both pretty deep into Lidstrom's pocket.  Something needed to change so Q rolled out these lines to start Game 2.

Brouwer-Toews-Buff
Versteeg-Pahlsson-Kane
Ladd-Bolland-Havlat
Sharp-Burish-Eager

At first glance, there's a lot to like about those lines.  The top 4 goal scorers on the Hawks squad each work on their own line giving the Hawks depth that most teams would kill for.  It also makes the Wings have to pick who they want to match Lidstrom/Rafalski up against. 

For two shifts, Lidstrom was on Toews but Babcock decided Kane was having "too much fun" and switched his captain over to cover the little guy.  Even with Lidstrom shadowing him for most of the game Kane was still able to pick it up some, 19 minutes 3 shots, still a -2 and a -10 corsi rating though.  Eventually Kane will learn that you simply cannot skate around Lidstrom... hopefully.

Toews obviously fared much better, 2 goals on 3 shots, +1 and +3 Corsi.

So could playing Toews and Kane on different shifts lead to wearing down Lidstrom?

Maybe...  Sorry for the cop out but that's the best answer you'll get til we see what happens in more games.

Here's what happened in last night's game though:

There were at least two shifts where Lidstrom stayed out to cover both shifts of the Nation in the third period.  That led him to having 3 shifts in a row where he stayed out there for over a minute, one of which ended when Toews put in his second goal of the night. 

So in the third Lidstrom averaged a 50.1 second shift (that's lowered by an opening shift that lasted only 6 seconds - take that out of the equation and his average shift was 55 seconds)

You'd think that's good, wear down the old man, right?  Not so much..

Lidstrom's average shift in the playoffs has been 49 seconds and his total time on ice yesterday was 24:34.. that's 15 seconds less than his TOI average in the regular season, even with the extra time played last night. (His playoff TOI is skewed due to the triple OT game against the Ducks).  So his numbers from last night aren't that far above average for the year.  The only thing that stands out is the fact that he was taking longer shifts later in the game. 

Lets use Game 6 in the Scum/Ducks series as a comparison.  In the third period of that game Lidstrom only had two shifts over a minute and they were fairly far apart.  He also only averaged a shift length of 48 seconds in the final period.

So the good news - Yes, Lidstrom was playing longer minutes later in the game which could, maybe, lead to him wearing down as the series goes on.  But it's far from a sure thing and not something the Hawks can pin their hopes on - only time will tell if Lidstrom keeps up those kind of numbers or if it will wear him down at all.

What is pretty clear though that forcing Lidstrom to only play against one of these two gives a big advantage to the other.  The Wings defense is strong but there's still only one player of Lidstrom's caliber.  Getting the Hawks top players out there when he's not on the ice is a big advantage.

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The big issue I saw on the second Toews goal was that Babcock should have called a time out in that situation. The Wings were dog tired because of the Hawk’s pressure before they iced the puck. In that situation you have to call timeout. He didn’t, the Wings paid the price. That’s the main reason why Lidstrom’s shift was long that time. I was totally expecting the same thing to happen in OT before the GW goal, but Detroit caught a break on the play and won the game.

by dewman8810 on May 20, 2009 4:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's not about wearing down Lidstrom

It’s about making sure the right line is out there that can work around Lidstrom’s many talents. I saw Kane try to make a move around Lidstrom at least 5 times last night. Not gonna happen. You can beat Lidstrom with your speed (in a dump and chase mode). You can beat Lidstrom by setting up your offense and having him committed to one side of the ice.

that's what she said

by Sportsgal on May 20, 2009 5:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As a longtime "Scum" fan...

I’ve watched countless games with Lidstrom playing. This is not meant to be a arrogant comment or even a biased one but Lidstrom is the best defenseman of the modern era. There’s not much this guy does wrong on defense because he’s not only physically gifted but mentally gifted too.

If i were to point out an area that he is weak its like Sportsgal said, he is beatable at the speed game. The only real way to consistently beat him is odd man rushes, but both he and Rafalski play so far back in the offensive zone that its gonna take a bad line change or something similar to create that situation. No easy task for the Blackhawks, just ask Sidney Crosby and Co in Pittsburgh.

In my opinion, the Hawks best chance is against Lebda and Ericsson. While Ericsson has been great in the playoffs he still makes a lot of position mistakes and the opposing players are often aware of that.

www.wingingitinmotown.com

by Casey Richey on May 20, 2009 5:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lidstrom is the best player on the ice for either team.

But he can’t be on the ice for the whole game. If we’re going to use Kane’s line as the sacrificial lamb, then so be it. As long as we’re not giving up goals while Lidstrom’s out there, I’m fine with this strategy.

that's what she said

by Sportsgal on May 20, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To me

The Kane line is probably the “sacrificial lamb” that Babcock will try and match Lids up against. I think he’ll be trying to use Kronwall and Stuart against Toews, Byfuglien, and Brouwer because they are the most physical of our 6 defenders (where’s Andreas Lilja when you need him? Thanks a lot Shea Weber).

 I actually don’t like the idea of Lidstrom being matched up against Kane’s line because I think your most dangerous lines are 1 & 3. Havlat has really impressed me and so have Ladd and Bolland. Nothing needs to be said about Toews other than the kid is a monster and with Big Buff in front of Ozzie they can have some great success with passing and shooting between Toews/Brouwer.

www.wingingitinmotown.com

by Casey Richey on May 20, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Problem is...
with Big Buff in front of Ozzie they can have some great success with passing and shooting between Toews/Brouwer.

We can only count on seeing Toews or Buff in front of Osgood about 20% of the time they’re on the ice.

that's what she said

by Sportsgal on May 20, 2009 5:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

oh i know

but even if they cant score off of it, they could probably wear Ozzie down.

www.wingingitinmotown.com

by Casey Richey on May 20, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

?

that's what she said

by Sportsgal on May 20, 2009 6:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Physical play is the best medicine for the best

Lidstrom is the best defencemen since Bobby Orr.
With that said though even Orr succumb to the pressure of physical play against him and Lidstrom is no different. This is were Byfuglien, Brouwer, Ladd, and Eager can help in this area with help from our defencemen when pinching. It’s no secret that Lidstrom needs to pay a physical price every time he touches the puck. It’s the Hawks only chance of wearing him down. Spitting daydream nation does only little for Lidstrom can play an upwards of over 35 minutes a game if not more if need be. Whenever Babcock needs him McCrimmon will just tap him on the shoulder and on the ice he is. Lidstrom is a workhorse and combine that with skill and determination and that’s were my opening comment comes from.
Spitting lines is just a temp fix, but the long term solution is physicality for without it the Hawks have no chance of wearing him down- Lidstrom just won’t fade away!!!

by hawks61 on May 20, 2009 10:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I completely agree with you, this is playoff hockey, Lindstrom isn’t just going to get “tired”. We are going to have to beat the hell out of him to see any mistakes. He is just too good otherwise.

On the lineups, I would prefer seeing Big Buff out with Kane and Pahlsson. Kane has shown that he can create when he has space, and what better way to create space then draw a defender to try and remove Big Buffs ass from Osgood’s face. I think that Toews is strong enough on his skates and would benefit from having Versteeg out there.

by Delta0ne1 on May 21, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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