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Time Of Our Lives?

So, now that most of the silliness is over, and with August approaching, maybe it's time to start getting excited for this season.  I say that, because, for some unknown reason, it dawned on me today that this very well could be the best Hawks team of my lifetime.  I know that's a big statement, but it's a small window (for those who need to know, I'm in my late 20's, though have a maturity level of a 13 year old, as you've probably noticed by now).

The contenders, for those of my age, would be the 1991 President's Trophy winning team, and probably the '95 lockout year team that eventually bit it in the Conference Final to an absolutely loaded Scum (sounds eerily familiar).  I can't include some of the '80s teams, as I was a bit young, and also that was a 21-team NHL and loading up talent wasn't quite as hard.  Clearly, now is a different era as well (the late 90's was a totally different era than the early 90's, for you Boers and Bernstein fans), but it's easier to compare with those two teams.

Although I'd like to make the argument that the '95 team was better, they still eventually were only on pace for 90 points over a full season, though a lot of that is due to Roenick having an unfortunate encounter with Derian Hatcher's knee, so we'll try and compare them to both if we can here.

Star-divide

The 1991 team lined up like this, for the most part:

Goulet-Roenick-Larmer

Steve Thomas-Adam Creighton (Judd Sirott just had a stroke)- Wayne Presley

Greg Gilbert-Troy Murray-Dirk Graham

Peluso/Grim Reaper-Mike Hudson-Jocelyn Lemieux

D-pairings

Chelios-Wilson

Manson-Konroyd

Bob McGill-Keith Brown

With Belfour in net.  Now, I don't know that these were the exact lines or not, but this is who played the majority of games.  Looking at that forward crop, it's a wonder that this team racked up 106 points.  There's one line of scoring, with Stumpy to boot.  Lots of toughness for sure, but the Hawks forward line with Eager, Burish, Madden, and Ladd now is not short on grit, at least for these days.  Decidedly, the 09-10 Hawks match up at forward.  On the blue line, well, the Hawks don't have anything close to Chelios and Wilson at the top, but on the lower pairings, I remember watching Bob McGill and Keith Brown, and it usually caused brain bubbles.  1-6, the current Hawks are just as solid, without having the peak at the top.  The big difference is obviously between the pipes, because Belfour was stellar on this season, and there are big questions around Huet.  Still, I think the current crop matches up quite well with this one.

The 1995 Hawks:

Amonte-Roenick-Joe Murphy

Craven-Nicholls-Daze

Poulin-Sutter-Krivokrasov

Shantz-Savard-Graham

D pairings:

Chelios-Suter

Steve Smith-Eric Weinrich

Keith Carney-Cam Russel

With Belfour in net again.  God, this team looks pretty good, though old.  Two very solid scoring lines here, in fact Nicholls was amongst the season scoring leaders for a while.  Savard also played out of his mind when he was reacquired, and single-handedly destroyed the Leafs in the first round.  The Top-4 on the backend was pretty solid as well, Weinrich was very underrated.  Again, this team has a decided edge in goal, but elsewhere?  Hard to say.  This version comes close to matching the scoring depth this year's Hawks will trot out, but I don't see where there's someone like Versteeg on this third line (though the EA sports version of Patrck Poulin would have been.  For some reason, in video game form he was ridiculous).  As for the d-men, well, the top two pairs trump the curren top two pair.  so there's a decided advantage there.  Carney was very solid, so he's probably a push with Barker, though two totally different players.

So, to conclude, well, I don't know.  But I don't see why this team can't become the best my generation has ever seen.  Anyway, a stupid debate to fill your summer day.

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Being that I was 6 years old in '95.

This is easily the best team I’ve been old enough to remember. Really exciting times because I started following the team like crazy out of the lockout and drove to a bunch of games once I turned 16. I remember getting packages for $5 per ticket and going with a few friends. To watch the team go from the garbage on ice to finally being able to compete is extremely satisfying. Its like all the crazy fanhood is paying off.

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by Original Six on Jul 30, 2009 5:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m not a Huet basher, I think he’s good and will be more than good this coming season, but Belfour’s Vezina in ‘91 makes that team significantly better, I think, especially once you factor in that top D pairing. Great reminiscences, though, thanks. By way of comparison, here’s a youtube video I posted during the playoffs at one point, too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZPP8imk-AQ.

Speaking of Belfour, you guys think we’ll retire his number? A lot of people might think of him as a Dallas Star, I guess, but he’s one of those Hawks-forever guys for me.

by ChicoMaki on Jul 30, 2009 5:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I say yes.

The eagle will always be a ’Hawk. Heck, I remember him being on a Saginaw Program Cover with his Eagle-emblazoned helmet.

And if we don’t retire his number, we should retire his Eagle, for sure.

by artroland on Jul 31, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still hate

D. Hatcher

that’s all…

by Crease Monkey on Jul 30, 2009 8:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My loathing for that douchebag

has ruined me for anyone with the same surname.

by russellguldin on Jul 31, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hate him

Just as much as the evil Claude L.

"Call Detroit, tell dem... BULLSHIT!"

by Hungryhawk on Jul 31, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A couple of things to add...

one thing I always hated about the 1994-5 season was the mid-season deal that sent Paul Yserbart and Rich Sutter to Tampa for Jim Cummins. Up to that point, Yserbart had played on the 2nd line with Murphy and Nichols, doing the dirty work in the corners. Once the trade was made, Nichols production dropped off. I’m still not sure why a useful mucker like Yser and a decent 4th line Sutter brother were traded for a shitty enforcer like Cummins. If Probie hadn’t been suspended, this deal might not have even gone down.

2nd, I think the 1995-6 team should be in this discussion. With a few tweeks to the squad from the previous year, they finished 2nd in the division with 94 points and bowed out in the 2nd round of playoffs. But while they didn’t get as far as the 1995 team, they did lose to eventual champ Colorado in 6 games, 4 of which went to OT. It gets overlooked a lot because of the circus that erupted in the WC Finals that year, but the Hawks gave the Avs a far tougher series than the Red Wings did.

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by CT II on Jul 30, 2009 8:30 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

It's something unpredictable and in the end is right...

I hope you had the time of your life.
It’s been a long journey to say the least but I’m hopeful the time is right so I can finally rest the hawks61 username and replace it with a new one for this is the season the heartaches, the disappointments, and the frustrations could finally come to an end. The destination is in sight that is for sure. This is our year… which as a Hawks fan scares me a little for I’ve been disappointed far too many times to be filled with complete optimism that it’s forgone conclusion that the Hawks will reach the Conference Finals again, let alone the Stanley Cup Finals. The Hawks seem to have the essential parts necessary but once the season starts anything can happen.
As for the Hawks best chance…
I still think the 1989-1990 Blackhawks were the best suitors for the Cup since I became a fan of this organization back in 1988. This team was stacked with Belfour and Millen in net. The defence had (shoud be H.O.F.) Doug Wilson, Bob Murray, Dave Manson, Keith Brown, Trant Yawney, and Bobby McGill. The offence was explosive with the Savard-Larmer-Goulet line, followed by the Creighton-Thomas-Roenick line. The checking line of Troy Murray-Wayne Pressley (has left the building)-Graham was one of the best in the NHL and the 4th line consisted of Jocelyn Lemieux-Gilbert-Hudson was definitely an excellent energy line and was tough to play against. And if it wasn’t for the last hurrah of the Oilers dynasty the Stanley Cup would have been the Hawks for sure that season and maybe…just maybe… Savard never gets traded.
In both Game 7’s that playoff season we all knew that in Roenick there was something special for he basically stole the show in both games, especially in the first round against the North Stars when Savard got thrown out of the game late in the first with Hawks already trailing 1-0. But Roenick came to the rescue with 2 second period goals (one in which I still remember J.R. in the slot, waited a second, then picked the top corner on Casey with a slap shot).
The goal in Game 7 vs. the Blues where Roenick just went around Harold Snepsts like a rented mule and then deked Riendeau out of his pants to put the Hawks up 2-0 was one of his best basically making it ‘Game Over’ at that point en route to a 8-2 slaughter of the Blues.
That damn Messier…1990 looked all but ours up 2-1 in the series but then we all know he took over and the Hawks seemed to have no response and the rest was history.

It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!

by hawks61 on Jul 30, 2009 9:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I get just as spooked

Hearing talk of the Hawks running right back to the WCF. Still, of all the teams I have watched since the mid 80’s, this years returning team has me the most quietly optimistic. You nailed it there by saying we seem to have what we need but that anything can happen once the season starts. This year we are talking about talent versus talking about “playing with heart”. We had some good teams in those years, but also some that I think overachieved with great chemistry. We don’t have a lock on anything. That said, we have a very talented and young team that hopefully learned a lot last year.

Interesting breakdown of Panda on the wings site by Norris. Surprising actually.

by NKLHD on Jul 30, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Little known fact about Jocelyn Lemieux

at least to me, he hated playing for Keenan. He always considered himself a skill player and Keenan tried turning him into an energy player. Found that kind of interesting because it seemed Keenan loved Lemieux to this 11 year old observer (at the time).

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by El Duque's Raft on Jul 30, 2009 10:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Personally

I think the offense on this year’s team is greater than those in the 90’s. The defense, and the game in general now is far more offensively based, so it’s a tough comparison. Belfour in his prime trumps Huet anytime. All in all, there is quite a bit to be excited about, despite the sky falling and the cap plummeting.

by AirTrafficAJ on Jul 30, 2009 11:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just a quick note

on the ’95 team, Gerald Diduck was the 6th d-man. Also, not that it really matters, but Craven was the third center and Savard played wing on his line, if memory serves.

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by El Duque's Raft on Jul 30, 2009 11:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hard to compare

Different era, different rules. This current Hawks team would have been physically beat down playing against the early 90’s Hawks. On the otherhand, the current Hawks would skate around the early 90’s Hawks under the current rules. But as everyone has pointed out, the biggest difference is in net. That’s why i give the edge to the Early 90’s Hawks. With Eddie in net they would have a better chance of winning in the current NHL than the current Hawks winning back then.

The past is for cowards and fools....

by mdiddy on Jul 31, 2009 7:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

and Joe Murphy was a beast in NHL 95’

The past is for cowards and fools....

by mdiddy on Jul 31, 2009 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For some reason, this article is giving me the urge to watch Swingers and skip to the part where J.R. does unspeakable acts to Wayne Gretzky.

by warrenjm2006 on Jul 31, 2009 8:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Since I am a fossil, but was not around for the '61 Cup team..

I remember the team from 1970-1971 who lost to Montreal in the Cup finals. Us kids at the time thought the Hawks were going to win it all. The team had a lot of talent. They had Bobby and Dennis Hull, Stan Mikita, Pit Martin, Chico Maki, Cliff Koroll and Eric Nesterenko on offence. Keith Magnuson, Pat Stapleton, Bill White and Jerry Korab on defence and the best Hawks goaltender of all time – Tony-O. I know it was a different style of play back then, the team was very defensive minded, but I remember them as being fun to watch.

by MissConduct10 on Jul 31, 2009 8:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I wasn’t around for that, but by looking at the lineup from that season, I see the talent.

With that said, I never understood the man-crush for the 90-91 season. It just didn’t have the make-up of a championship team, reminds me of this last season’s Sharks. Impressive on paper and regular season, but something was missing.

In 1991-92, Keenan took care of some of those issues. Brought role players like Matteau, Sutter, Smith, Marchment and Kravchuk. The talent isn’t quite there with guys like Thomas and Wilson gone, but the team make-up is what I think beats the 90-91 season.

by wlittle on Jul 31, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

1991 team was my favorite

That being said, it was a different game – different rules. You know, when they played real hockey with real checking, and bleeding or causing bleeding were points of pride equal to points on the scoreboard.

Superior goaltending, solid defense, and Stuuuuuuuuuuuuuu for enforcement.

My favorite year ever as a fan, and it was that era that excited my son about hockey.

As an aside, I also liked the 88-89 team. Foley’s calls of CHEVRIER!!!!!!!! still resonate in my head. As a team that did not even make the playoffs until the last regular season game against the Leafs, they made it to the Conference finals against the eventual Cup winners, the Calgary Flames.

by Return of the Roar on Jul 31, 2009 9:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wow, alain chevrier. that brings back memories!

by G8K33P3R on Jul 31, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Keenan Era

That 1991-1992 team was so much fun to watch, as well as the other years Keenan was here. I might be living in the past because it was a different game then, but you knew that every nite there was a chance to win. The style they played and the atmosphere in the Stadium was pure electricity. Roenick took me to the edge of my seat every time he jumped over the boards.

Thank goodness it seems like those times are back,

Saying that, the team that we’ll be watching this year has one of the best chances to give us some of the same thrills but with a more skilled twist. I am not too worried about Huet and without Khabibulin looking over his shoulder he should be ok. Also, everyone is one year older and Coach Q will be here for the start of camp, which will make things significanlty better.

by Iron Mike on Jul 31, 2009 12:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

thank you for making me feel old.

The 91 team was a solid squad, and while it lacked a prolific scoring machine, it didn’t need it because it played at the stadium and games were usually low scoring affairs. That team would probably still be talked about more if it hadn’t laid an egg in the first round against the NorthStars (thank you Chelios and company for taking so many bad penalties, they just gave away the series to the Stars). That was a bad year for me, my grandfather was ill and at the Mayo Clinic and watching the Hawks self destruct was just compounding the Minnesota misery.

The ‘95 team was a beauty to watch at times. In the beginning they seemed to have so much offense. Roenick-Amonte, Murphy-Nicholls, and yes even Paul Ysebaert seemed to make the early games look like the Hawks had great chemistry. The pp on that team was unbelievable (of course the numbers may not bear that out over time, but they moved the puck and created opportunities quite often). It was quite a change from the defensive oriented team back at the stadium, and it foreshadowed in many ways what a fast offensive Hawk team (like today’s version) could be. Oh, and the UC was packed back then too. Then, the Hawks traded Ysebaert which I’ll always remember because D. Sutter made a point of saying to the media “the Hawks will never win the Cup because of Paul Ysebaert” (or something to that effect). it was kind of surprising but they felt they needed more grit and more Sutters (i.e Rich).

When JR. got hurt (a game I still have on vhs, poor viewing quality and all, that was the season). You’d be surprised how nonchalant the event seems today, even knowing now that it was bascially the end of the JR everyone knew and loved. Nevermind that Denis Savard who came over in a nice thank you from the Espositos in Tampa, played out of his frickin’ mind down the stretch and in the playoffs. For me, Savvy was one of the few players who showed up in the Detroit series. They added Diduck to that d-corps around the deadline that year and for my money that’s as good a d-corps as the Hawks have had top to bottom. It was also the beginnings of Eric Daze’s star-crossed injured career.

It’s too hard to compare across generations. I think the speed and finesse of today’s squad would be tough to stop. Then again the defense and goaltending of the 91 and 95 team would make it awfully difficult for today’s squad to operate and score. It would be a battle, and I don’t think today’s team would be able to walk over the pride and grit of guys like Jocelyn Lemiuex or Dirk Graham. I just hope this team does become the stuff of legends and lore, all of us have suffered long enough, we deserve to win the Cup, because as irrational as that sounds, long suffering fandoms deserve to win on occasion.

by cubby23 on Aug 1, 2009 2:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Slot Machine Dreams

All I can say is that being a sports fan is like playing the slots in Vegus. I have been pumping my time and money into these machines for many years now. The 90 squad was like getting two cherries, sure you get a winning feeling, but then it’s gone. The 91 squad was Oranges to me, again with the winning feeling, but then it’s gone. The 05 team was all Bells, looks like a jackpot, but no quite there. Last year, I had two bars, and I could see the third coming by…. DOAH, Purple fruit thing!…
I just need to hit a jackpot. I think this machine is primed to payoff big, I can’t wait to pull the lever…

SHOOOOOOOT IT!!!! Anon

by burpchelischili on Aug 1, 2009 5:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That was beautiful.

 Now where’s my wallet?

Got more soul than a sock with a hole.

by chrome on Aug 1, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s the best part, you don’t have to defend your “machine”, it’s better if you can find others to play!

SHOOOOOOOT IT!!!! Anon

by burpchelischili on Aug 1, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best hawks team

I’m always amazed, reading hawks message boards, how much the early 80’s era gets ignored. The hawks made it to the conference finals in 82, 83, and 85. The team of that era brought hockey back from the dead in Chicago, and it was easily the most exciting hawks team I’ve ever seen. ( I wasn’t around to see the teams in the 60’s). Just Denis Savard alone was worth the price of admission. It’s the era when cheering during the anthem started, and the stadium really started rocking like never before or since.

  I would say that anyone who thought the Keenan era hawks were exciting teams must not have been around in the early 80’s. If you like watching dump and chase hockey, then Keenan was your guy. I know the hawks had success with Keenan, but the style of play absolutely sucked, and anyone who thinks Jeremy Roenick was so thrilling to watch, must have missed the Savard years.

The 82-83 hawks are my pick for the best hawks team I’ve ever seen. Savard, Secord, Larmer! My god what a line. Secord scored 54 goals and may have been the best fighter in the league. Savard and Larmer both scored around 40. Over 130 goals on one line! The second line was Lysiak, Preston Sutter. They all scored 25-30 goals themselves. Doug Wilson and Bob Murray. Wilson is still the best point man the hawks have ever had on the power play.

We all know how it ended up, the Edmonton dynasty took over and the hawks just never could get past them. Orville blew up and said his players needed heart transplants during the Edm. series and the hawks went down in flames. But for a while there in 82-83 we thought maybe we were building the next dynasty in the NHL.

by vortec on Aug 3, 2009 1:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

opps. hit the post a little early there

There’s a reason the exciting Dennis Savard teams of the 80s don’t get the publicity. Those teams were never nearly as good as the Keenan teams top to bottom. Those 80s Hawks could be exciting but in terms of overall depth & talent, they fall short next to those 90s teams.

Yes, they made to a few conference finals but the Oilers were just so dominant and the class of the Cambpell Conference back then. If you look at the two rosters and ignore the stats, you’d wonder how the Hawks even competed against those Oiler teams. The Hawks lacked the goalie to get it done; Bannerman just didn’t cut it and the assortment of others that followed were no better. The defense was 2 guys deep if you were being generous a lot of times. The offense was plenty, but in that decade it was plenty for many teams as goal scoring was en vogue.

The Party Line was great but beyond that you had some question marks. Lysiak, for all of his talent could disappear at times. Same could be said for a lot of the forwards. There were so many busts in terms of draft picks. Savard was an absolute star, and nobody forgets it. Outside of Gretzky and Lemieux he was arguably the most exciting NHL player, and sometimes he would outshine even those two. Had Darryl Sutter never gotten hurt to the point where his career was cut short who knows what might have been. Had Troy Murray been a little more consistant in the mid-80s than maybe the Hawks could have gone farther.

Doug Wilson was a gem and his slap shot was a canon. But outside of him and Murray the blueline was thin and was often exposed.

Part of the appeal of the Keenan led teams is they fought hard and were tough to play against. Opposing teams had to work hard just to eke out scoring opportunities when they came to town. It was a different type of team than those 80s teams that got into knock down drag out scoring fests where the team with the most goals at the end of the night wasn’t always the team with the most scoring chances.

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