Home Of The Brave
Since we all could use a nice diversion from the shit storm that has been raining down on Blackhawk Nation since about July 5th, I’d like to submit to you, the Second City Hockey reader, something that has come to my attention over many years of observing two seemingly different subcultures. While on the surface, hockey and punk rock may seem only vaguely connected, if one digs a little deeper there are some striking similarities.
While I don’t claim to be the foremost authority on either, I was the music director for my college radio station throughout my career there though I possess even less than minimal musical skill, and the highest level of hockey I’ve played is Division-II club in college. Years of exposure to both camps has given me enough material that I feel the need to subject the internet with my rambling thoughts. So without further ado….
I Love You So Much It’s Killing Us Both – In both hockey and punk rock, the "casual" fan is a difficult animal to find. There are many reasons for this phenomenon which hold true in both, but the fan bases of both are by and large those that live, eat, breathe, and sleep the culture. It is very difficult for one to be half-assed and mealy mouthed in his or her appreciation of either.
Pop Sensibilities – Since their inceptions, both punk rock and hockey have had adversarial relationships with the mainstream media and the general public. While punk started as a reaction to the bombast of the rock that dominated the 1970s, to this day, ardent supporters have demanded to be recognized by the mainstream as a valid genre of music- oft times to no avail.
Similarly, despite countless attempts on the part of Gary Bettman and others, hockey has for the most part failed to be a front-of-mind presence in the American sporting consciousness. While the most hardcore fans of both will state that they like it that way, having a small, core group with whom they can relate and everyone is very passionate about their interest, any band would be lying if they said they didn’t want to sell millions of records, and every hockey owner would absolutely love to have an arena packed full of people, even if half don’t understand all of the intricacies of what they’re watching and are there for the spectacle of sport.
As a reaction to this marginalization, both fan bases have a tendency to be exclusionary to the casual appreciator, which is a major contributor to the first point discussed. In order to break through and be considered a legitimate part of either group, one is expected to fully commit (thank you Savvy) to the culture.
Additionally, when someone from the mainstream does take an earnest interest in either, for whatever reason, there is an utterly predictable tendency of a backlash amongst the core group. Whether it’s a D.J. on Q101 extolling the virtues of the last Against Me! record, or Dan Bernstein discussing the Hawks on the Score, the initial reaction from either camp to those situations is going be "You don’t know what you’re talking about!", and that mentality is going to perpetuate both hockey and punk rock’s current standings in the margins.
Johnny Quest Thinks We’re Sell Outs – The last point dovetails into another similarity; both hockey and punk have an overly complicated, and often contradictory, set of self-imposed rules, both written and unwritten.
Trying to explain to someone new to hockey all of the rules of a game- why the play was stopped, why a penalty was called, etc, is enough to make a newcomer’s eyes roll back in their skull with information overload. And on top of that, explaining codes of conduct and unwritten rules as they relate to fights, play away from the puck, and trash talk can end up making the sport so much more uninviting to the outsider. And again, to ever question any of these rules will result in a deafening chorus of "You don’t know hockey".
While the so-called "rules" for punk rock are completely unwritten (despite the claims of 88 Fingers Louie in "Punk Rock Rulebook" – great bass line in that song), they can be just as stringent within the subculture, ostensibly dictating the amount of money it’s appropriate for someone to make, who should have the privilege of being allowed to listen to the music, fashion, and most importantly, the music it self. In any lunchroom across the country, one can hear heated debates from 16 year olds over what does and does not constitute something being punk, and unfortunately, those debates can rage on even in adulthood. And to ever question any of these rules by changing your sound, aesthetic, or garnering even the slightest bit of recognition will get one called a sellout before the end of a Minutemen song.
Leaders and Followers – If ever in doubt, play as fast and as hard as you possibly can. There’s a reason Adam Burish and Bad Religion are fan favorites. Yes, both are reasonably articulate (though the day that Burwood gains his doctorate is the day I burn my own diploma), but it’s their relentless, high-octane style that earns them adoration, despite it being rather simple and straight-forward. And as the aged Greg Graffin and Brett Guerwitz have proved, you can have a pretty long and lucrative career playing just three chords, or in Burish’s case, forechecking, killing penalties, and being a general nuisance to the opposition.
Cooking Wine – Perhaps this speaks volumes about my own lifestyle, but it’s very clear that both groups enjoy a beverage or 17 at any given time. Both groups are littered with those who could probably drink anyone of us under the table and then some. Hockey has Bobby Hull, Al Iafrate, the Staal brothers, and likely and most recently, our very own 20 Cent, Pat Kane.
On the other side of the coin, Chicago’s native sons Alkaline Trio and Lawrence Arms are notorious booze hounds, not to mention the entire sub genre of Irish punk whose central premise involves being completely pissed up 24/7. A night out with any of these people is likely to leave you naked, covered in some manner of bodily fluid, waking up next to someone unpleasant, or in jail. Or all of those things at once.
Nazi Punks Fuck Off – If we’re going to list the similarities between hockey and punk, it would be irresponsible to not point out that both groups are completely dominated by white dudes. Aside from Bad Brains, Grant Fuhr, and eventually Jarome Iginla, hockey and punk are pretty bereft of any cultural diversity amongst their legends.
When I Come Around/What Happened To You? – Ahh yes, 1994, the year that almost was. With the NBA mired in a lockout fresh after losing arguably its brightest star ever with Michael Jordan’s first "retirement", the NHL was primed to finally step out of the shadow of the other three major sports. Aided by the most entertaining conference finals and Stanley Cup finals in ages between the Rangers and Devils, and Rangers and Canucks respectively, the NHL was front and center in the general sporting public’s consciousness. It also didn’t hurt things that this scenario involved a team from New York, extinguishing the longest cup drought in NHL history at 54 years, led by one of the game’s utter legends in Mark Messier. It was a confluence of events that still gives Gary Bettman wet dreams to this day.
Similarly, punk rock made it’s biggest quantum leap into the mainstream to date, with gold selling records from acts that had long toiled in the underground like Rancid and Bad Religion, as well as the mega-platinum selling efforts from The Offspring and Green Day with Smash and Dookie respectively. To this day, Smash remains the all-time best selling independently released record at a staggering 16 million copies.
Both the NHL and punk appeared poised to finally grab the recognition their fanbases claimed to have always wanted.
So what the fuck happened?
Well, the NHL, as it always does, shot itself in the foot, and burned almost every ounce of good will by going into a lockout the following year. And by the time the NHL had regained its footing, Michael Jordan returned (for the first time), refocusing the attention on the NBA, and the Bulls’ second round of championships.
Over in the music world, it seems that punk didn’t quite have the staying power it needed in the public’s mind, and things weren’t helped by the fact that the two big sellers of ’94, Green Day and The Offspring, released dog-shit caliber follow ups to their hit records. Of course, Green Day has once again returned to prominence, playing sold-out arena shows, selling millions, with Billie Joe Armstrong caked in guy-liner and having a messiah complex that rivals only Bono’s, so there may be hope for the NHL after all. But I don’t think anyone needs to see Alex Ovechkin in guy-liner.
Besides, he’d just get called a fucking sellout anyway.
And as an added bonus, I give you quite possibly the best fusion of hockey and punk rock ever, Propagandhi's "Dear Coach's Corner".
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Punk Rock and Hockey are totally connected
As someone who played in a punk band for 5 years and still attend a lot of punk shows, the connection is really strong. Most punk kids I know who like any sport, love hockey. Play a hockey video game or watch a game with punk rock in the background. Often the music really fits the flow of the game.
Also I love Bad Religion and they’ve actually been on the Jim Rome Show a decent amount of times. All of them admittedly are hardcore Kings fans.
by Peter_sixtyftsixin on Aug 13, 2009 1:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ve lost how many times I’ve seen BR over the years. They used to have their own BR hockey jersey but it looked, at least online, pretty corny.
Great post McClure.
'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.
by Yankee Canuck on Aug 13, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
One of the guys from Bad Religion owns an independent record label named Epitaph, quite a few of the bands are, for lack of a better term, “modern” punk. Bands like Gallows, Every Time I Die (which I am pretty sure the vocalist is a pretty big Sabres fan since the band is based out of Buffalo). I think any form of rock goes well with the flow of hockey. Especially the faster/harder music.
jt
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Aug 15, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TALK MORE ABOUT HOCKEY!
STOP TALKING ABOUT HOCKEY!
I like boobs.
by G.S. Clam on Aug 13, 2009 2:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Puck Rock
Punk + Hockey = Puck Rock
Missed these guys last year when they stopped at Reggies in the South Loop, but perhaps they’ll return sometime again.
by parshallnet on Aug 13, 2009 2:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wonderful
I was going to mention the Hanson Brothers, but you beat me to it.
This post has absolutely made my day.
Давай!
by Justaminorthreat on Aug 13, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Punk Rock and Hockey
Canadian punkers No Means No have a side band called The Hanson Brothers, you should check it out. I am currently a college radio MD.
by maggiesgirl on Aug 13, 2009 2:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We'll knock back a few
And talk about life.
by McClure on Aug 13, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Been in bands; played hockey
very similar groups in strange ways.
One band I was in in the mid nineties we did three things: drank, played hockey, played music. Sometimes all at once.
by runningquicklynowhere on Aug 13, 2009 2:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
oh, one more thing
Apocalypse Hoboken… Douchenozzles.
by runningquicklynowhere on Aug 13, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you could probably make the same case, if not moreso, for hockey & metal bands(especially among this community) as at least you’d have the hockey players themselves involved. Might not be the case so much now with the Kris Verteegs of the hockey world, but in the 80’s & 90’s about all you heard in the locker rooms was metal and hair bands, and there is still a large portion of the so called “punk community” that are anti-jock/sports in general period…see the Social Distortion/Minor Threat/Dischord followers…or today the punk-poppers…sports to them only happens on 4 wheels and a piece of composite wood. There’s going to be a crossover in any town that is a hockeytown. I would say Boston/New England probably foremost….Dropkick Murphys & the band Slapshot (formerly Boston Slapshot) and The Bruisers members have routinely been sighted at Bruins games over the years or have been referenced in lyrics. I listen to quite a bit of that stuff, outside of Bad Brains and early Bad Religion, not much of a “hardcore” fan, but I don’t like a lot of what is popular in that genre anyway. I’m more of a fan of the stuff that came right after the Ramones, Pistols etc…the so called “post-punk” or “second wave” like Wire, early P.i.L, Mission of Burma, This Heat, Warsaw, Magazine etc. There is actually an even greater link between indie rock in general and baseball players/bands/fans. Joey & Johnny Ramone huge Mets fans, Joe Pernice – Red Sox honk, Robert Pollard of GBV big Reds fan, Jack Rabid drummer in Springhouse and editor of the Big Takeover mag huge Yankee fan, Stuart Murdoch of Belle & Sebastian somehow became a big Mets fan from from Glasgow. etc…hell even A’s GM Billy Beane is an indie rock honk. Obviously this is a hockey blog, but I mean there is crossover with any sport…hip-hop and the NBA, country/safe adult contemporary and the NFL. I’d be interested to see the current state of hockey players/fans and musical genres…80’s-90’s metal/hair-bands…now I’m not so sure. I caught the end of one of those NHL Network “a day in the life of” shows on Mike Green and they filmed that dude rolling to the rink in his Lotus listening to a friggin Mariah Carey remix album…seriously….between him and Kris Versteeg..I dunno…perhaps disposable top 40 dance/pop reigns supreme these days.
As for diversity, there is a quite a large crossover between punk and reggae esp in the UK. Joe Strummer and Shane MacGowan of the Pogues/Nips have promoted a ton of reggae artists’ work and/or collaborated with some of those artists over the years. Not so much here in the states because any white dude who listens to reggae here is most likely a punchable alt.bro/jam band freak.
by Crease Monkey on Aug 13, 2009 6:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dropkick
Saw Dropkick Murphys back in Feb/March @ Congress Theater, and they took time out between songs to “welcome back the Blackhawks to the NHL” and said they looked forward to a Hawks/Bruins Cup final.
That would have been nice…
by parshallnet on Aug 13, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Street Dogs
Also mentioned the Blackhawks when they came around here back in June
Давай!
by Justaminorthreat on Aug 13, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
McColgan is a big hockey guy too…haven’t really listened to his new band’s stuff enough but I prefer McColgan to Al Barr in terms of The DKM.
by Crease Monkey on Aug 13, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I think Do or Die was the greatest work of DKM
Давай!
by Justaminorthreat on Aug 14, 2009 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ROCK.
Not sure what the Hockey Rock talk is getting me fired up for more, going to see a rock show or wishing hockey season was back.
Some hits & misses of recent hockey soundtracks:
Rage Testify Playoff Pre-game vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kBGKpAYnPo
Ministry Keys to the City: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlBccI52_OY
See you all at AC/DC @ the UC tomorrow night. ha!
by parshallnet on Aug 13, 2009 6:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What fuels the rage?
Somehow I don’t think that indie rock and hockey will ever mix, it just isn’t that popular within the dressing rooms. Most dressing rooms basically stick to top 40 stuff with a little blended-in Metallica, Foo Fighters, Tragically Hip, and AC/DC.
The one band however that could get a lot of play is a little unknown indie band (at the time) that bursted on to the scene reshaping the music industry, the cultural landscape, and defined a whole generation and that is Nirvana. I think Cobain and the boys had a lot to do with the sudden emergence of the Green Day’s and Offspring’s of the world. The fact that Nirvana constantly declined opening or touring with much larger bands but rather selected to tour with indie bands like Jesus Lizard, Sonic Youth, and Dinosaur Jr. etc. gave many bands an opportunity to get noticed that without Nirvana’s emergence would have never gotten that window of opportunity with the biggest beneficiaries being Pearl Jam and Soundgarden. And with that then came a new perspective from the music industry willing to listen to a new vibe, a new voice, and new sound and punk definitely benefited from that for it.
Green Day’s biggest move was playing at the anniversary of Woodstock 94 when a blue-haired Billy Joe Armstrong continued to ignite the crowd all the wile being pelted with mud. That performance vaulted their careers and with release of ‘Dookie’ it only made them larger.
But make no mistake if it wasn’t for Nirvana a band like Green Day is never given a chance and we would be still listening to hair-bands sing stomach-turning love ballads over and over again.
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
by hawks61 on Aug 13, 2009 9:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I prefer my Nirvana the way god evidently intended, minus love and with a little extra lead.
In my personal opinion, Green Day hitting big with Dookie was not due to Nirvana being played billions of times a day, it was due to putting out a great album. Alternatively, I do believe that Good Charlotte and and a few others were given a boost due to Green Day. Again, it is only my opinion, and I freely admit that I could be wrong. I don’t think I am, but I could be.
SHOOOOOOOT IT!!!! Anon
by burpchelischili on Aug 13, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for nothing else I’ll always despise Green Day because they’re responsible for bands like Blink 182 getting signed and having the gall to have Bad Religion open for them.
by Crease Monkey on Aug 13, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spot on!
McClure, this has been my favorite post I have read on this site yet. I greup in the Chicago punk scene in the early/mid ’90’s and you hit it on the head!
by HawkFiend4Life on Aug 13, 2009 10:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
At the risk of being labeled a complete douche by many, after Black Flag I really stopped listening to what was then called “True Punk” I started listening to The Violent Femmes, Ozzy, most of the big hair bands, (lets not forget Henry Rollins Band!) and the Real Classics. Such as Wagner – Ride of the Valkire, and Holst – The Planets. Some called it a psychotic mix, I prefer the term eclectic.
SHOOOOOOOT IT!!!! Anon
by burpchelischili on Aug 13, 2009 10:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gustav Holst’s “The Planets” is awesome. Mars – Bringer of War/Shocked Cats mash-up FTW.
I like boobs.
by G.S. Clam on Aug 13, 2009 11:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
http://shockingcats.ytmnd.com/
I like boobs.
by G.S. Clam on Aug 13, 2009 11:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What The?
Is this Second City Hockey or The Rolling Stone?
by Grampa on Aug 13, 2009 11:46 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Rock and Hockey
You have it! I’m ashamed I never put these two together before as you did. As someone who attended college on a classical musical grant, grew into a Irish Traditional Musician as an adult, still I like hockey straight up with the hard stuff.
Still we see one point differently, I think hockey broken down to it’s basic elements for the novice is best. Like music basically it flows in 4/4 time from the gut, give the newbie a good beat to follow and they follow the tune or game quickly from there.
Snarky comment warning on at all times. Ugly goals win games!
Photography is like hockey, no shots no goals, just keep shooting!
by Powderhornhockey on Aug 14, 2009 7:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well Done.
Aside from Bad Brains, Grant Fuhr, and eventually Jarome Iginla, hockey and punk are pretty bereft of any cultural diversity amongst their legends.
No love for Fishbone?
Let's go Blues!!!
by Milo. on Aug 14, 2009 7:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Naked Raygun the Greatest Band to Ever Come Outta Chicago!
FREE SHIT! FREE SHIT! Playing RIOT FEST this year! They gotta new music coming out this fall! If you don’t know these guys, you better Google somebody! McClure, you da frickin’ man!
by EdisonParkVinnie on Aug 14, 2009 9:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's interesting. However, for me, nothing beats the pairing
of a nice hockey game with Belle and Sebastian in the background.
Got more soul than a sock with a hole.
by chrome on Aug 14, 2009 10:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I fucking Love You Guys man
There is NOTHING like visiting my favorite blog about my favorite team and favorite sport, than to see upon entrance, my Favorite Record from my Favorite Band of all time.
Jeff P would be proud (although those Kezdy Bros can be quite the wankers)
Thanks! Man!
.dave.anton.
by WirtzGMnomore on Aug 15, 2009 5:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No! Dad NO! - by No Means No
i could see JR’s kid listening to this…
by WirtzGMnomore on Aug 15, 2009 5:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A McClure article on the music to hockey relationship...
And not one reference to The Lawrence Arms? Bring back Chelios and Old Dogs Never Die could be his song.
by clhoffy on Aug 16, 2009 9:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ye of little faith
On the other side of the coin, Chicago’s native sons Alkaline Trio and Lawrence Arms are notorious booze hounds
www.secondcityhockey.com
It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.
by McClure on Aug 16, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Propaghandi
I always forget how awesome that song is. One of my favorite all time bands. It seems like every one of my favorite punk bands at some point has mentioned their love of hockey at some point in some interview. Another Chicago band that loves hockey and the Hawks, Flatfoot 56. I’ve seen them play several shows with at least one band member wearing Blackhawks gear.
by Peter_sixtyftsixin on Aug 16, 2009 10:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
also
considering the Canadian readership here, there’s been no reference to their boy’s contributions. Namely, D.O.A (Canada’s version of T.S.O.L.), Subhumans Canada, and The Pointed Sticks…for shame. Vancouver actually had a ‘scene’ at one time centered around these bands.
by Crease Monkey on Aug 17, 2009 4:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Um, Hello?
Propagandhi. Recognize.
www.secondcityhockey.com
It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.
by McClure on Aug 17, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this a college radio convention?
Criminy. I was a college DJ for four years — business manager for two.
Of course, it was on the West Coast, and we got promo discs from Olympia by the crate. And thus I could try to make a connection between Sleater-Kinney and hockey. And probably fail miserably.
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Blows the doors off of things ten times as famous and half as good.
Close enough. I mean the marketing goons at the UC won’t play a snip of “The Drama You’ve Been Craving” in my lifetime. Oh well.
WAIT FOR THE WHISTLE!
by Sec 326 Bureau Chief on Aug 18, 2009 12:50 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I hear...
that Jeff Hanneman of Slayer is a huge hockey fan. Being from LA, he’s a Kings fan.
Never heard of Propaghandi but that’s a great name. Fishbone! How about Faith No More? Bad Brains are a great underrated punk band. As much as I love The Dead Kennedys, I can’t imagine Jello Biafra liking sports at all, but I could be wrong.
Nice post during the offseason.
by Slayer24 on Aug 24, 2009 5:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hockey and Punk!
This is a great article, and I definitely agree that hockey and punk rock compliment each other so well. So much so, that I just recently launched a hockey website based on an idea I got during last season’s playoffs, that focuses on BOTH hockey and punk. Feel free to tak a look.
McClure didn’t want to be involved with the site, but I think we share some similar sentiments.
by JerD on Sep 10, 2009 3:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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