Ottawa? I Don't Think So: Hawks 1 - Sens 4
by SamFels on Jan 20, 2010 2:36 AM CST
375 comments
First off, allow me to offer my apologies for this past weekend, as Matt and Matt have done. I was out of town enjoying my break, but due to a rather large snafu by my brother's landlords, I did not have access to a computer all weekend (as part of that snafu was drinking a bathtub of Yeungling while watching the Hawks, and if you think I'm going to apologize for that you are very much mistaken). Secondly, I'll apologize for rehashing a Sonic Youth reference we used last year in The Indian, but it's a damn good one and I'm going with it.
Right, to the game. I always had an itchy feeling about this one. With the big comeback win against Columbus and the hair-on-fire victory over Detroit preceding it, and the Blood Feud Double of Calgary and Vancouver following it, this always had the makings of a trap game. And that's exactly what it looked like. In fact, I struggle to remember a game this year where the Hawks were so second to every loose puck, and lost almost every battle. The Hawks were never above a C+ effort, and that's being kind. What they will have to realize is that they've been the NHL's best this year long enough where they're going to get most everyone's A+. So effort's like tonight's won't cut it. But on long road trips, these things happen, and I highly doubt it's a trend.
Things didn't start well when Keith and Seabrook got a little yippy with the puck (more on that later) which led to a nasty turnover. Huet came out to challenge Zach Smith (?) which we like to see, but was not able to move laterally when he skated around him, leaving Seabrook exposed to play goalie. The 1st period got worse when on a 2-on-2 Regin centered for Ryan Shannon (fuck that guy) who had a beautiful tip into the top corner. It looked bad, but Huet was up and the tip was immaculate, almost hitting crossbar and post at the same time. Hammer should have had his stick.
The Hawks began to perk up in the 2nd, ever so slightly. They outshot the Sens 12-6, and things looked to be heading back on track when Hossbollah was sprung on a breakaway and hit the "fuck it, I'm tired" button and just blew one by Brian Elliot. But all that momentum was lost when 51 Phantom threw a puck away, and then compounded that by getting completely undressed by Phillip Regin. Once again, Huet was unable to move to his right in anything resembling time (is there something wrong with his left leg?).
After that, the Sens packed it in in the 3rd, and the Hawks seemed barely interested in breaking them down. Once Hossa was stopped by Eliot on a save that owed everything to selling his soul to the devil, I think everyone knew it wasn't our night.
Observations
-Keith and Seabrook have been very dodgy in their own zone lately. I'm sure it's just a dip. As they say, form is temporary and class is permanent. But Keith's handling of the puck has been abstract, to be kind, and Seabrook has been caught flat-footed more than you can count on your fingers. As strange as it is to say about a player who is the second leading scorer amongst blue-liners, I don't trust Duncan's stick-handling. Most of his points have been garnered as the late man when he's in space, or from the blue line where it's just a shot. I also wonder if he isn't rushing his play in his own zone to more quickly attack, adding to that point total.
-Connected to that, I know there's been some fear of what the Hawks will do when faced with a trapping team, but lately they've had more trouble with teams that forecheck them as if their wives' lives were being threatened. There have been far too many turnovers in their own zone when under pressure, and almost every d-man is responsible. Keith doesn't seem to react well when closed upon two opponents. Seabrook is then in turn put in more desperate situations. Hammer can't skate his way out of trouble, and the less we say about Barker the better.
-I know Soupy was responsible for one goal against tonight, but other than Hossa he was the only one who looked like he could give a shit and was the only d-man I trusted under a forecheck. He created a few chances on the other end, as well.
-No wonder Stephan Auger is under scrutiny, as he refs as if he were being attacked by the Tasmania Devil.
-God I love when Konroyd fills in for Eddie O.
--Having only briefly glanced at the thread, it confirmed where I thought it was going. Huet wasn't good tonight, no question, but his defense left him completely out to dry. Not so long ago, he would bail them out of that, and he hasn't recently. It was the same act in Columbus, where Rick Nash was walking in alone seemingly every couple minutes. Huet's play will improve when the defense does as well, but probably not before. Make of that what you will. Most of you will probably still set your hair on fire.
-There was always going to be a bad loss on this trip, and tonight was it. Still, we said two of three East, and the West, and then a split of the San Jose-Carolina jaunt would be an acceptable haul, and they're still on pace for that. Forget it, and move on.
0 recs |
375 comments
|
Email
Print
Comments
interesting stat
we haven’t been beating by more than 3 goals this season. and, we’ve only been beaten by 3 goals, 3 times. that’s pretty unbelievable to me that no one has given us a pounding. so tonight sucked, but oh well.
1961 is a long time ago.
tonight's probably the only time we deserved that 3-goal beating
the other 3-goal game was against Nashville, and it was a 1-goal game until the last few minutes, with an empty-netter (I think) to cap it off.
by chiblackhawks on Jan 20, 2010 8:18 AM CST up reply actions
we lost 3-0
in Anaheim. we deserved it there too (even though we were pretty tired).
1961 is a long time ago.
Me thinks we payed the Senators no homage....
Detriot was huge and Keith is already talking about Kal-gary…..
Q needs to leave Huet in the net for a couple of games and let him re-discover himself—Neimi ain’t going no where. We can with stand a few loses while Frenchy re-tools.
I really thought Huet shoulld have been back in on Sunday.
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
and agree on Konroyd -He calls it as he sees it
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
really?
I can’t stand Konroyd, He bores the Fuck out of me! He may be a decent analyst but stay in the studio, I rather listen to Pat by himself or listen to Eddie say his random stuff
Agree
I don’t dislike Konroyd, but he isn’t nearly as entertaining as Edzo. It’s a fine line to walk wanting to hear somebody who is colorful but sometimes annoying versus somebody who knows their shit but is about as exciting as gum under a desk.
"...about six feet from the moose's butt."
by The Fearless Freep on Jan 20, 2010 8:42 AM CST up reply actions
I'd rather have Troy Murray move over from the radio.
I wonder what they’ll do if Mike Milbury’s new years resolution comes true and Edzo gets a coaching gig.
by Original Six on Jan 20, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Konroyd fills in nicely for the Eddie O drinking game
where you drink everytime Edzo mentions that a player is a native of a WI or IL city, you drink every time Konroyd mentions a players junior hockey team
Praise Him!!
I haven't been
a Huet basher this season,actually i kinda liked him the other night against Columbus i thought that maybe one or two goals wer on him but yesterday….and yes at some points he was left out to dry by his defense yesterday,but c’mon,the first goal……he came waaaaaay outta the net,no need for that…..the second goal was a blown defensive assignment,and a redirect,not at fault there,just a good play by the Senators…..and on the third goal he seemed like he was cemented to the ice and couldn’t move to the other side of the net,and i didn’t see the fourth goal,fell asleep :) ……..the third goal was the big one though,very demoralizing,the hawks score a shorty,and were dominating the period,offense and D…and then that happened and that was all she wrote….hats off to the Senators good game played,and their goalie made a few amazing saves
For once, I've got to agree
about Huey. 15 feet outside the crease with 2 other Senators charging the net is unacceptable. Stay home, make a save, and try not to give up a rebound. If you fail, it’s on the D for the stupid turnover. This will be fodder for the haters.
in all fairness to Huet on the first goal
i was sitting right above the net, and everyone in that entire place thought the shot was going to be immediate. it really looked to me like the sens just played a patience game that, unfortunately, the goalie lost.
now that i’ve had a night to think about it, i still think huet should be rested for niemi for a couple games, but i also think only that third goal was huet playing poorly. i have no idea what happened there, even though i saw it unfold a mere 250 feet from away.
All right, come on, dummy, you won the game. Come on. Pick up your trophy.
Twas kinda funny
to hear crickets (and water dripping from a leaky pipe if you listened closely) after the horn blew for each Sens score. With all the Hawks fans in attendance, I coulda sworn they were @ the UC.
Is Barker purposely f’ing up or is he really that bad?!?!
Didn’t it seem like the team (except for Hossa, Soupy, and the guy that had the “Once you go BLACK-hawk, you never go back” sign) woke up 30 minutes before gametime?
Is Huet purposely f’ing up or is he really that bad?!?!
I would go on a limb and say it was a 60/40 split of fan support in favour of the ’Hawks which is a drastic change from 2004 when it felt I was the only one sporting the Indianhead jersey.
There was a lot of energy in the building at the Scotiabank Place with many of the Ottawa fans saying that we were, by far, the loudest group they’ve heard all season. It was a lot of fun eventhough the ’Hawks lost.
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
I don't think that's a limb
It was easily 55/35. The only time the Sens fans got really loud, at least where I was sitting, were the ridiculous save and then the fourth goal.
How’d that laptop turn out for you? Did the battery last through the night?
All right, come on, dummy, you won the game. Come on. Pick up your trophy.
What happens after the game, stays there. (wink, wink)
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
Yup
Those herpes will stay there forever (wink, wink)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jan 20, 2010 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
Hey Auger!
It’s a whistle, not a cock; keep it out of your mouth!
Occam's Razor keeps the cutting clean.
Damn..
Shitty game last night, lots of good beer posts.
Everyone needs to be careful with the hopslam though, I could tell I am right on the edge of something this morning and one more beer would have put me there.
p.s: I am told certain other hop like plants go very well with Hopslam…
I didn't watch the game
I checked the score. This was actually about what I expected. It was almost like a preseason game, and they played like it. No emotion, like they were trying something new.
I have noticed the aggressive forecheck thing. Centers or another forward need to read and help out a lot more when a team goes 2 in hard on them. It is a good strategy to use against the Hawks. The trap doesn’t work that well against them. Once they get over the surprise of teams playing a hard forecheck and exploit it as overcommitment, things will open up and the team that is agressively forchecking will be forced to go 1-2-2 or some less aggressive style and Keith, Campbell, Seabrook, and Hammer will have the room they want.
Even though I didn’t watch last night, I think they are over using the stretch pass as of late. This strategy makes the aggressive 2 in forecheck that much more effective because the defenseman with his back to the play has less options. At least 1 forward is up high not supporting waiting for the bomb. When the opponent sends 2 in deep. Keep it simple, D man draw both forecheckers to you, take a hit (or make it seem like you are willing to), run the simple breakout, and exploit the overcommiting team. I know, easier said then done. I’ll bet the next team that send 2 forecheckers in hard will regret it.
As far as Huet goes. I have supported him, and will continue to do so. Q needs to tell him to remove his head from his ass. This is one guy that cannot be treated like a baby.
“Look Cristo, if you want to keep your job, when the rest of the team is fucking up, get big, make the save, and fire up your teammates. We have seen you do it, that is why you are here, so do it!”
That is my rendition of what Q should be saying. I kept it clean for you young hockey players. If he does not respond, then Niemi gets the opportunity until he has the same issue.
The Hawks should win any game where the opposing team is kept under 25 shots. Last night 18 shots. Even at .900 sv % that is 2 goals. Also, if this team only scores 1 goal, it is almost a sure loss. I don’t think this is a 1-0 team.
I’m looking forward to Calgary. I think it will be a great game. Put Huet in the net. It’s sink or swim time.
"All questions must be submitted in writing"
I had the game on the radio
And I agree with most of what you’re saying. It felt like the Hawks never had the Ottawa scouting report at the top of the pile.
by warrenjm2006 on Jan 20, 2010 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
For not watching the game, you totally nailed it
Crap effort, but hey, against Ottowa, a team they see once a year. In a game sandwiched between Detroit and the Flames, on a two-week road trip. These things happen.
by DirkGrahamKnuckleSandwich on Jan 20, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
First time the Hawks have coasted
and it bit them in the ass. But to be fair, how many times has that happened to 29 other teams this season so far? Took us a little past the midway point before we had to experience it. For sure there have been losses in the past, but this one is really the first time they’ve put up such a lackluster effort. For fuck’s sake, our T-4th PK gave up a power play goal to the League’s WORST PP team.
Hopefully this is just an aberration and not a trend, but since we gave up that 4-goal lead to Minnesota we’ve had one good game, and it was at home. Team needs to pull their heads from out of their asses soon— Calgary and Vancouver are up next.
I don’t know if it’s really the first time they’ve coasted.. but it’s definitely the worst they’ve looked in a long time.
by Matthew Dirt on Jan 20, 2010 8:48 AM CST up reply actions
good summation
i got this text between me and hjammer last nite after the game, and it sumed up this game very well.
“wow since when did our skaters become 18 AA. buffs?” ~ me
“bunch of lolligaggers, they never once seemed like they cared. its like how this city felt about them at for the last 10 yrs.” ~ hjammer of the gods.
to attempt to answer matt’s question , since period 1 of the 6 goal comeback? but even that wasn’t a full game
fisting barry rozner with every goal!!!
by soupy's spin-o-rama on Jan 20, 2010 9:09 AM CST up reply actions
You lollygag on the forecheck. You lollygag on the backcheck. You lollygag to the bench. Do you know what that makes you?
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
lollygagers.
"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."
they've played half-assed for a period or two in the past,
or maybe offense or goaltending or defense will fall asleep for parts of a game, but this one seems to be a complete 60-minute snoozefest for everyone, save one or two players.
by chiblackhawks on Jan 20, 2010 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
All I can say is...
dang, I love Yeungling!
"...about six feet from the moose's butt."
by The Fearless Freep on Jan 20, 2010 8:40 AM CST reply actions
Konroyd
God I love when Konroyd fills in for Eddie O.
Eh. I can tell who has “momentum” by myself – I don’t need him to tell me every thirty seconds.
Actually
That’s one of the reasons I was upset I saw the game at a bar where I can’t hear the sound versus watching it at home.
"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy."
Martin Luther King, Jr.
2009 SCH Post Whore
2010 Troll Collector
Agreed - if nothing else Edzo makes
Foley squeak with laughter a few times per game. That’s needed during an abortion of a game (ie last night’s).
I also missed not hearing Edzo explain to young hockey players that the 2nd Ott goal was only made possible by having the stick on the ice. I’m sure he saw that while watching at home and told his wife who immediately punched him in the nuts.
by Duck99 on Jan 20, 2010 9:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I take full responsibility for this loss
Because I voiced my concerns in the Gameday Thread without knocking on wood. However, they still have over 70 points, so that leads to positive thoughts. And my positive thought of the day is how Hossa still busted ass on every shift and at times was basically carrying two Sens. For a guy who had a bit of a selfish reputation coming in after the last two years of Cup-seeking musical chairs, it’d be easy for him to just let off the gas in a game like this, where everyone else had. But he kept it in 6th gear the whole game, which is going to be sorely needed on the tail end of the road trip.
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 9:18 AM CST reply actions
why is a burning desire to hoist the Cup equated with lazy/selfish?
strikes me as highly motivated – and rather admirable
I was just referring to the fact that in some circles, that jumping around labeled him as a bit of a mercenary. Not that I ever agreed with it, I’m in the same boat as you.
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
he was a mercenary
but that all went out the door when he signed a deal into his 40s
All right, come on, dummy, you won the game. Come on. Pick up your trophy.
mercenaries go where the money is - regardless of the cause
Hossa turned down bigger, longer term money to go for the cause.
That is more the anti-mercenary mindset, more the true believer, Grail seeker thinking
Meh, I’d rather have them lay out a crap game like this now than in April. At least they have time to get this out of their systems now. Hopefully Bolland returning to practice in the next fews days will give them a bit of a lift.
by runningquicklynowhere on Jan 20, 2010 9:20 AM CST reply actions
oh, and
that feel-good article the Trib published as their lead story last night, before game time started? About how finally, Chicago has a team worth its love?
By the end of the game you couldn’t find it anywhere from the front page. Link’s still alive, it was just. Buried. Somewhere.
so...
what your saying is we don’t love the hawks anymore due to that obvious trap/let down game, that came to fruition? make sense….
fisting barry rozner with every goal!!!
by soupy's spin-o-rama on Jan 20, 2010 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
well, the paper's saying that
we, the last vestige of (mostly) knowledgeable fans can just sit around and chuckle.
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
and yes i know that was sarcasm
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
I guess indepth issues
like the compacted sched due to the Olympics resulting in 4 games in 6 days along with the travel could lead to dead legs, making the team sluggish, couldn’t be contemplated by the newsies. No, no, much too complicated.
They lost a game so they suck. Much easier.
The only Cup we can win is this years
sigh
I hope people realize that to win last night’s game, Huet would have needed a shutout.
by chiblackhawks on Jan 20, 2010 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
he could’ve notched a hat trick to force overtime and get them a point at least
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
Same shit over at yahoo...
Dishonorable Mention: The Blackhawks look like a fierce Stanley Cup contender up front and on the blue line, but will their goaltending be good enough come playoff time? Cristobal Huet’s(notes) effort at Ottawa (four goals on 18 shots) plants a scary seed in the minds of Chicago fans. Chicago’s depth on defense has led to Huet’s 2.24 goals-against average, but his .904 save percentage inspires little confidence.
I guess New Jersey
should be worried too. Marty has had a couple of stinkers lately…
The only Cup we can win is this years
by Johnny Lava on Jan 20, 2010 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
This is the problem with Hawk fans.
New Jersey shouldn’t be worried at all. Not even the slightest.
There is no reason at all we would even DARE to compare Cristobal Huet to Martin Fucking Brodeur. Broduer has proven himself, time and time and time again. Huet can’t hold Broduer’s jock- not now, not tomorrow, not ever.
In fact, Huet is making the case that he’s better than his backup, a very tough one to make.
Even if at worst, you’re being sarcastic, this comparison shouldn’t be made ever. Broduer has earned the right to have a few bad games. Huet isn’t any where close to earning anything. One bad game followed by an OK game, followed by a bad game where he looks absolutely terrible, followed by a good game, followed by a couple of bad games does not inspire confidence.
I don’t understand why it’s so difficult to admit or why everyone takes it so personally. Huet is not that good- there’s nothing wrong in admitting it. There’s no shame here.
If the Hawks ever win the cup with Huet in net, it’ll be despite Huet, not because of him. Not unless he seriously improves his game. Which is possible, sure. But right now, if the Hawks are in a must win game, I want Niemi in goal.
by Skags on Jan 20, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
ummm....
Over reaction of the year FTW???
and here is prob. what most ppl think about huet has been playing well… yes his numbers are helped by the amazing D we have. but NOBODY is expecting him to be the next Roy, or Marty… he is a competent goalie, who will keep u in most games, and that’s all u expect and need from him. realistically he is prob. a top 12 goalie, and your also not gonna get anything better. nor do we really need anything better. And i don’t think you can go as far to say we will win despite him but i also don’t think anybody is expecting him to steal a series like the above mentioned goalies could
fisting barry rozner with every goal!!!
by soupy's spin-o-rama on Jan 20, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Ummmmm
sarcasm. get a grip.
The only Cup we can win is this years
by Johnny Lava on Jan 20, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
Marc-Andre Fleury
2008-09 SV% 0.912. Meh.
New Jersey’s got their own worries- e.g. currently on a 3-game losing streak.
by cliffkoroll on Jan 20, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd say most don't take it personally
Though we take it as an affront to common sense
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
well, there's the ruling
Huet hasen’t earned anything so let’s just buy-out his contract right now. Time to let someone else in that has earned something.
BTW, whats the guidelines on Earned Bad Games?
The only Cup we can win is this years
by Johnny Lava on Jan 20, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
BTW, whats the guidelines on Earned Bad Games?
Guidelines… guidelines… where they hell are my guidelines?
Oh here they are. Here’s some career guidelines on why Devils need not be worried, even in the slightest, about Brodeur having a few bad games this year and why comparing him to Huet is absurd:
* Most regular season wins (557)
* Most shutouts (record achieved during 2009–10 season)
* Most shutouts, regular season & playoffs combined (118)
* Most overtime wins (45)
* Most consecutive 30-win seasons (12)
* Most consecutive 35-win seasons (11)
* Most 40-win seasons (7)
* Most games played by an NHL goaltender (record achieved during 2009–10 season)
* Most total minutes played by an NHL goaltender (record achieved during 2009–10 season)
* Only NHL goalie to score a game-winning goal
* One of two NHL goalies (Ron Hextall) to score a goal in both the regular season and the playoffs
And in the playoffs:
* Most shutouts in a playoff (7, in 2002–03)
* Most shutouts in playoffs, career: (23, tied with Patrick Roy)
* Most shutouts in a Stanley Cup final (3, in 2002–03; tied with Toronto Maple Leafs’ Frank McCool)
* 2nd place: 98 Wins
* 3rd goaltender to win the Stanley Cup with a Game-7 shutout in 2002–03.
* 1st goaltender in history to have 3 shutouts in two different playoff series. (1995 against Boston in the Conference Quarterfinals, 2003 against Anaheim in the Stanley Cup final.)
You want the guidelines on “Earned Bad Games”? Those are the guidelines.
so..
anything less than that, a goalie is not allowed a bad game?
damm, you’re a harsh judge
The only Cup we can win is this years
by Johnny Lava on Jan 20, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
Welcome to the 50th game of the season
The whole point of the discussion is that Huet has had many bad games, genius.
wait
I thought I was an idiot. I’m a genius now?
The only Cup we can win is this years
by Johnny Lava on Jan 20, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Oh gosh no- that was sarcasm
I don’t see where I or anyone else called you an idiot, but don’t worry- you are an idiot. And now we can add self appointed.
Troll collecting IS fun!!
The only Cup we can win is this years
by Johnny Lava on Jan 20, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
nah, not really
I’m not a troll. I’m a Hawks fan who doesn’t think Huet is all that good and that comparing him to Brodeur, even sarcastically, is stupid.
Sue me.
You
are wasting your time. I said all of this 4 weeks ago and people wanted to hang me in the town square. Some people see Huet for what he is, average at best and less than average most of the time. You will not convince the others no matter what you offer with stats or common sense. Its ok, i have accepted it and I hope that they are all right and the Hawks will win in spite of Huet.
i hereby pledge 50 dollars...
…to throwing a parade in your honor if Huet, all by himself, costs them the Cup this year.
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
Curious
Hmmm… when was the last time a goalie cost his team the Cup all by himself?
Not being a douche bag, I just don’t know.
To me, the Hawks can still win a cup, even with an average at best goalie in Huet. But to somehow suggest that he isn’t a liability on this team is just delusional.
If your life depended on winning a game, who would you rather have in goal: Huet or Niemi?
I'd be asking
Why the fuck does my life depend on a game!?! Who did this to me? Was it Steve?
The only Cup we can win is this years
easy
Jean Claude Van Damme. Ever seen Sudden Death? He managed to make the big save to force overtime and keep the stadium from getting blown up by terrorists. Literally, 20,000+ lives depended on him. That’s where my money’s at.
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
goddammit why didn't we figure this out sooner?
We should clearly sign JCVD right away!
by chiblackhawks on Jan 20, 2010 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
black singlets are the new black. don’t be afraid of a little sex appeal
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
See?
You can always count on a French Goalie… trust me!
"My Father's name is Jack, and my mother's name is Daniels..."
i would say...
huet, not cuz i think he is amazingly better then huet, but…. he does have playoff experience and i would like that considering the small difference b/w them to.. niemi over persuits to much for my liking and i feel like he would be rattled during a big game. and yes i have nothing to back that up with just my opinion. and yes u would have to say the goalie situation is a liability for the team. ONLY cuz there is nothing else thats close to a liability. we have average goalies, that is fine considering the rest of this team
fisting barry rozner with every goal!!!
by soupy's spin-o-rama on Jan 20, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
You make a good point
I agree that Huet has some play off experience, but as the Hawks getting to the Conference Finals last year showed us, experience can be over-rated.
I want them to win and I think consistently, Niemi gives them the best chance. Is it really going to surprise anyone if Huet wets the bed again? Will it really surprise anyone if Niemi is named the starter?
Run, Skags, Run!
He appears to be contagious!
"anvil of sarcasm" - wu
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 20, 2010 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
You know,
If you weren’t so negative about the way you go about things, people would respect your opinion a bit better.
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
You think I'm being negative?
I appreciate your honesty bud. Like all pessimists, I don’t really think I’m being negative. I don’t see anything wrong with calling a spade, a spade. He’s playing poorly. He played poorly earlier this year and he’s playing poorly now. He’s an average at best goal tender.
my opinion
even though me and skags have gone after one another all day long… i don’t think he was being negative and snooty about things at all. He has his side i have mine, yes they are completly opposite but other then that i respect his opinion
fisting barry rozner with every goal!!!
by soupy's spin-o-rama on Jan 20, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
But he is not a spade
in the way my father used to use the term.
"All questions must be submitted in writing"
by laaarmer on Jan 20, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
in all fairness
you did take his bait just then. if you wanted a civil discussion, you could have ignored the fact that he called you a harsh judge (which is a normal, joking insult here). instead, you threw the derogatory usage of “genius” into your reply, which unleashed all kinds of mayhem.
not blaming you, just pointing out that Lava was making a point in a fairly brash way, and then you decided to run with it.
Esquire02 did the same thing a while back and now is convinced – absolutely CONVINCED – that we all jumped on him when he was being civil. which isn’t what happened at all. just ask us.
All right, come on, dummy, you won the game. Come on. Pick up your trophy.
Just for the record....
One of the first comments ever from Esq, aka Mr. Olive Branch…
Fuck You
Learn hockey
shots faced
only Howard (DET), Rask (BOS), and Halak (MON) are in the top 10 SV% that have faced less than 1200 shots.
Huet has only faced 815 shots. In fact of those 3 only Howard has more SA than Huet and that’s in 4 less games.
I’m sure these numbers mean something. Maybe it’s that the defence isn’t letting Huet face enough shots to be good.
The only Cup we can win is this years
by Johnny Lava on Jan 20, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
Thing Is
When the Hawks are limiting the Shots Against so effectively, those goalie stats swing a lot more than those for a guy seeing 30-35 shots a night. It’s my opinion that the eye test reigns supreme in this case.
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
if only there was a standardized test
some of us may be looking thru rose-colored lenses. some of us.. whatever the opposite of rose would be.
The only Cup we can win is this years
by Johnny Lava on Jan 20, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Thorn-rimmed glasses?
Anyway, yeah, we need to agree on a somewhat objective standard on what goals a goalie simply can do nothing about, and on which they should shoulder the blame. IE. last night’s 2nd goal versus the 1st and 3rd. I hate hearing my dumbass friends yelling for Niemi if Huet gets beat on a tic-tac-toe 3 on 1, or lets one in through a 2-man screen.
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
The eye test is fine...
…if you trust your judgment and are only concerned with getting your own thoughts straight. Too subjective to win over the masses though, which is probably a pointless and futile task anyway.
by cliffkoroll on Jan 20, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
I'm an eye test guy
and last night……my eyes burned.
"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."
The Zombie Goalie Debate!
"anvil of sarcasm" - wu
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 20, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
probably not
because they realize two things:
-huet is costing them $5 million a year
-niemi has only played, what, like 20 NHL games and seen no playoff time?
hawks brass might be discussing whether niemi should be starting more often, but i doubt they’re discussing many of the armchair GM type questions these debates on SCH usually devolve into (like, trade huet and buff for kovy and a draft pick and make niemi the starter)
All right, come on, dummy, you won the game. Come on. Pick up your trophy.
They could give a flying fuck about the $5 million.
They’ll do the thing(s) that give them the best chance to win.
Ken Dryden beat the Hawks in the 1971 Finals and he had played < 25 games in the NHL pre playoffs.
It depends on which debate you're referring to
I’m not in a front office, but I would guess the price tag is always a factor.
Besides, it’s January. A two-week break for M. Huet is coming up. The team’s in first in the division by 11 points. They’ll sit Huet for a while, see what Niemi does, but I doubt there’s a debate going on right now.
All right, come on, dummy, you won the game. Come on. Pick up your trophy.
kinda agree about the $
Hawks could send Huet and the $ to Rockford if they really thought it was the best decision. Moves him and the cap room.
The only Cup we can win is this years
Thank god
the man would be to old. Might as well suit Tony O then.
The only Cup we can win is this years
Pressure on the team?
Does anyone else think that the fact we’re not in 1st place right now may be a good thing for this team? Maybe a couple of weeks of SJ being a few points ahead of us would be a nice mental breather for the guys, let them relax a bit.
The only Cup we can win is this years
I don't think it could hurt
But the team has largely avoided buying into their own hype this year, and whoever is responsible for that is to be commended. The lesson that I’m waiting to see instilled in them is the fact that they can’t afford to come out flat, or take stretches or even periods off. Because as someone astutely pointed out in the pregame thread yesterday, there isn’t a team in the league who isn’t going to come out prepared and revved up when the Hawks are on the schedule.
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
Hmmm
30-18 shooting edge? I didn’t think the Hawks snoozed through this one as suggested. Elliot had a very good game.
I agree that teams are trapping less (getting remoreselessly ground down is no fun) and our D continue to seem surprised by the hard forechecks, but I gotta believe they’ll adjust and start making teams pay for their aggression.
At the risk of starting a shitstorm, I’ll point out that Huey now rings in at #29 on the SV% board at 0.904, The guy’s got 15-20 games to get his junk figurred out. I’d play a rookie with Niemi’s promise over a guy that lets 1 out of 10 through.
I will say Huey’s last two stinkers were well-timed- against Columbus, the Hawks scored enough thtat it didn’t matter. Last night,, the Hawks scored few enough that it didn’t matter.
And therein lies the rub
Huet is the type that needs to fight through his bad streaks on the ice, not on the bench. But you also want to get Niemi plenty of time to try and get a greater feeling on how good he truly is.
I’ve been harping on team defense a lot, and how breakdowns have left Huet out to dry numerous times. That said, a goalie needs to bail his teammates out just as much as they bail him out. Recently, he’s been unable to do so. I’m still a long way from calling for his head, and people need to realize that there’s only a handful of upper echelon goalies that can steal a game for their team on a regular basis. Huey will keep you in the game most nights, and that’s more than a lot of teams can boast right now.
Bottom line, last night we saw what a near-teamwide lackluster effort will get you. For most of the season, they’ve been able to limit turnovers, keep shots down via puck possession and tenacious backchecking, and the goalies have come up with the saves when needed. There’s no reason to think that they won’t get back to that form. When you’re averaging nearly a a full point’s difference between Goals For and Goals Against, you’re gonna come up roses more nights than not.
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
i didn’t see them dominate the action nearly as often as in other games. i only remember one shift, i think it was in the second, when the puck didn’t leave the sens zone. there wasn’t any of the sustained pressure, or energy-building line domination, that have come to define the Hawks this season.
All right, come on, dummy, you won the game. Come on. Pick up your trophy.
Lousy
The offense was lousy
The defense was lousy
The goaltending was lousy
The coaching was lousy
The wives/gf’s were lousy
The phone sex was lousy
The bus drivers were lousy
The parking attendants were lousy
The peanut vendors were lousy
The Blackhawks were lousy
On another note, at the start of the game Foley announced that Edzo was “on assignment” and would be out the rest of the week, which by my count is Ottowa, Calgary and Vancouver. Is it possible the Canadian govt. gave Edzo “the Probert” and he just isn’t allowed up there anymore?
I respectfully disagree...
….Barker had a blast in the first minute that bounced off the post, and Hossa missed a 6×4. Miniscule changes in those two plays, and it’s a very different discussion today, despite Huey’s 14 outta 18.
by cliffkoroll on Jan 20, 2010 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
yes true but...
Even if those 2 goals go in and lets say we go to OT. doesn’t matter the outcome there. we get a point. Yea ppl would be happy about getting 5 of 6 so far on this trip. But that doesn’t mean we were out-played the whole game. we did have a few glimpses of good play. but over all an awful game. like said in the recap. i don’t recall more then a handful of times we won a battle on the boards. our D was suspect at best. Now i’m not thinking the world is going to end, or i’m tooo worried, i’m just saying i don’t think u can say this was a good game by us despite the score
fisting barry rozner with every goal!!!
by soupy's spin-o-rama on Jan 20, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
I thought it was a pretty even game
Ottawa’s a good team playing well, come from behind in Montreal then whipped the Bruins in Beantown.
The Hawks did not dominate, but I can’t really fault the effort. I can’t remember this team mailing one in this year.
by cliffkoroll on Jan 20, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
If you're looking at effort
Take a look at their power play last night. The power play is where you saw almost no effort to win battles, make good decisions, and/or sustain pressure.
"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."
Hossa didn't miss a 6x4
Elliot made a ridiculously lucky save. Hossa is absolutely not to blame there…..it’s not like he shot it wide or hit a post. Elliot just guessed where to put his stick and it just so happened that Hossa shot it there.
"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."
A mere quibble...
…in the context of my point, which was that we were a coouple pubes away from a very different game and thread. Those two shots go in, the comments about a lackluster effort go down 70%.
true........
I saw the 6×4 in reference to the only guy who looked like he gave a shit last night and felt the need to defend him…………point taken.
"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."
The phone sex was lousy........
credit card number, please.
by Ken Doll Type on Jan 20, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe they lose the next 3-4 games
better now than in the forst round of playoffs.
I’m on board win or lose.
If they can win 4 out of every 7 games from here on out. I’ll still be on this freakin site in June.
"All questions must be submitted in writing"
Looks like
a lot others are now seeing and realizing the concerns I was talking about 4 weeks ago about Huet….I know the Hawks sucked as a whole last night but Huet has had several bad games in a row and that can’t happen in the playoffs. I hope he gets it together between now and then.
My only beef is with...
…the trade huey fucktards. Not sure if you rode this bandwagon for a while, but it is a fantasy bus to nowhere.
No team is invulnerable, you can’t complain that you don’t have the best offense, defense, and goalie in the league, and goaltending is this team’s vulnerability. No biggie, just a fact.
by cliffkoroll on Jan 20, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
and that’s a vulnerability I’ll gladly take seeing as they’ve surpassed our expectations going into the season. Look at the Sharks right now, the other top team in the West. Their bottom two lines can’t score, and their D, by their own blogger’s accounts, gets pretty unstable after the top 2. I’m sure they’d like to have our ‘problem’ right now.
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Gladly Take Huet eh?
No wonder you don’t want to hear the stats again…..pretty damn grim.
There are 30 NHL teams. Out of goalies who have played at least 18 games, Huet has the leagues 31st best save percentage. So there are 5 backups with better save % than Huet. OK take those out and he’s 26th out of 30 with only PHIL, OTT, TOR and MINN worse…Huet’s .904 to their .896, .899, .901, .901. Now add which team has the best team defense which SHOULD result in easier saves, less rebounds etc. and arguably Huet is the worst starting goalie in the NHL. He was “great” last year too, until Habby went down and he had to play all the games…what did it take 7 games for him to break down? That’s the guy you say “I’ll gladly take?” Sounds just wonderful looking forward to the Stanley Cup semi’s IF he lets the Hawks get that far. Oh and to make things even better, why don’t we do a fantasy NHL draft with salary caps. Let’s see…..2nd biggest hit on the HAwks this season at 5.6M. Boy Huet just jumps right up to the number 1 draft slot don’t he? And gee, the backup for the Hawks who has the league’s 9th best save % and most shutouts per game played….let’s not bring that into the discussion. Let’s let Huet play his way out of his funk and we can all watch while he takes a swim in the friggin faceoff circle while Ottawa is poking at the puck in the crease and how well he hugs the post. Well, wrong post but at least he’s getting the gist of it. Jeeeeezzzzzzzz. You call the Huet basher’s a joke and don’t want to hear the stats and will gladly take him, eh? Face it guys…Huet’s the worst player at his relative position on the Hawks and the most overpaid. Defend him if you must, but at least do it with some stats so I can grasp what the heck everyone loves about him.
by husler777 on Jan 20, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Don't why I'm bothering
but perhaps it’s time you look at some big boy stats instead of just basing your opinion on save percentage.
FifthFeather.com
by El Duque's Raft on Jan 20, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
Big Boy Stats?
OK. Game or 2 ago I asked for ideas about goalie stats….number of times star of the game, soft goals allowed, impossible saves made….whatever….just something besides save %. I got no posts with anything unrelated to save %. But apparently you have some big boy stats. OK. What are they and how does Huet compare to Niemi and the rest of the league?
Stats
Last year’s Cup winner at end of reg season: 2.67 GAA and the 21st ranked SV% of .912
This year’s Huet (so far): 2.24 GAA and the 28th ranked SV% of .904
Do these tell me that we won’t or will win the Cup?
Or do other things beyond these stats affect winning the Cup?
The only Cup we can win is this years
by Johnny Lava on Jan 20, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Ladies and gentlemen please stop comparing Fleury to Huet. It only makes you look completely retarded.
To say that every year an average goaltender can win the Cup is nonsense as it’s really only happened once and that was Detroit with Osgood and he was hotter than a firecracker that year (2008). By the way, Osgood was the back-up to Hasek at the beginning of the playoffs, and so was Giguere to Bryzgalov in 2007, and Cam Ward to Martin Gerber in 2006.
I guess that means under this theory the ‘Hawks can expect Niemi to lead them to the Cup, doesn’t make sense does it? Every year is different but in all cases that goaltender got hot and showed flashes of brilliance throughout that season something Huet hasn’t despite playing in front of the league top defence. Conversely, Niemi has and has shown enough to merit a stronger look.
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
the jist of my remark
was that stats can be irrelavent. Take the last line as my point.
The only Cup we can win is this years
It wasn’t directed at you but to everyone in general who continue to make these stupid assumptions day in, day out. Just felt it was needed to be added here that’s all.
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
In my opinion
Good team defense does not result in easier saves. On the contrary, I think the D handles most of the easy chances themselves. On most nights, opposing teams seem to have a decent number of quality scoring chances even though their shots are down.
by HungryHungryPanda on Jan 20, 2010 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Good Team Defense
Team D blocks a lot of shots that otherwise the goalie might be screened on or out of position. Good team D on the Hawks has made saves in the crease while the goalie was not there which would have resulted in an even worse save % than 31st in the league. Good team D prevents more break aways and odd man rushes that result in great scoring chances. I fully reject the argument that good team D makes goalies look worse rather than better.
It depends at what you look at...
…good team D gives Huey a nice GAA.
When you control the puck in your own zone, rather than dump it to center, you reduce the number of shots the other team gets, but these shot are mostly of the generic carry-or-dump-it-in and set up variety.
Every once in a while, the own zone pass goes awry, and lo and behold, someone’s got the puck alone in front of the net.
Just a theory, but it seems consistent with what I’ve seen this year.
STATS
Here we go. Preface: let’s say, with the Hawks GF average, that any game where they allow two or less goals can be called a win, netting 2 points. Call three goals allowed a toss-up, netting 1 point per game to reflect the 50/50 win chance. Call anything with four goals or more against a loss.
HUET (36 Games started)
0 goals allowed: 4 times (11.1% of games)
1 goal allowed: 8 times (22.2%)
2 goals allowed: 8 times (22.2%)
3 goals allowed: 8 times (22.2%)
4 goals allowed: 4 times (11.1%)
5 goals allowed: 4 times (11.1%)
0-2 Goals Allowed: 55.5% of games
3 Goals Allowed: 22.2% of games
4-5 Goals Allowed: 22.2% of games
Projected over 82 games:
Wins: 45.51games yielding 90.1 pts
Toss-Ups: 18.22 games yielding 18.22 pts.
TOTAL POINTS: 109.24
-—————————————————————————————————————————-
NIEMI (14 games started)
0 goals allowed: 4 times (28.5%)
1 goal allowed: 1 time (7.1%)
2 goals allowed: 3 times (21.4%)
3 goals allowed: 4 times (28.5%)
4 goals allowed: 2 times (14.3%)
5 goals allowed: 0 times (0%)
0-2 goals allowed: 57.1% of games
3 goals allowed: 28.5% of games
4-5 goals allowed: 14.3% of games
Projected over 82 games:
Wins: 46.86 games, yielding 93.7 pts
Toss-Ups: 23.43 games, yielding 28.43 pts
TOTAL POINTS: 117.14 pts
-—————————————————————————————————————————
CONCLUSION: In these stats, yes, Niemi is marginally better. I stress marginally. Considering allowing 2 goals or less is the standard for a victory, he is 1.6% better than Huet. Considering allowing 3 goals would be keeping your team in it, he’s 6.3% better, a bigger difference, but less important given the nature of how results in those games can swing. Over 82 games, the projected difference in point total is 8 points, or 4 wins. Take the average playoff series to be 6 games, and you’d play 24 games in the playoffs. A 4-win difference in the regular season is a 1.17 win difference in the playoffs. Hardly insurmountable. And also an effective way of showing that all those who are screaming that Niemi is heads and tails better than Huet are unfounded.
Of course, you now have the issue of sample size. Any Intro to Statistics course will tell you to exercise caution in making too many judgments off of too small a sample size. Extrapolate off of Niemi’s 14 games how you will, but know you’re just as likely to have deviations as you will adherence from that. I, for one, can’t believe this kind of performance will continue all year, considering his stats are better than a Brodeur, Kiprusoff, Miller, etc right now.
Lastly, don’t bring up the issue of Huet being overpaid, lest you appear as someone whose comments aren’t worth reading. Tallon overpaid for him. What’s Huey gonna do, ask him to knock money off his contract so that if he doesn’t play well, the fans won’t ride him so hard? Jesus.
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
that's why we're less hard on Campbell
He gave money back. Knew he was being overpaid and did something about it.
The only Cup we can win is this years
by Johnny Lava on Jan 20, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
to add on to this...
puck prospectus, who uses “big boy stats” for all that you wanted it, breaks down league avg. for expected win when ur team scores certain amount of goal per game. this article breaks down top 10 goalies in exp. win percentage considering the goal support they get. AND also breaks down Actual Points minus Expected Points. so pretty much, how good is the goalie if u took away the support he gets… and in case you don’t want to read or are afraid of math and numbers… huet is 7th and 9th respectively. Therefore stating that even though he gets some of the best support in the league, even taking that out, you would expect him to be a top 10 goalie. So yes he has had some bad games lately but statically speaking CALM THE FUCK DOWN he will be fine and is good enough.
link http://www.puckprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=429
fisting barry rozner with every goal!!!
by soupy's spin-o-rama on Jan 20, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Puck Prospectus
Huet 7th and 9th eh? Of course you neglected to state the following which is a direct cut and paste from that article right after the table showing Huet at #9.
“Huet and Quick are on this list primarily because their teams are good at preventing shots, but for the most part the others are there because they have contributed to their teams winning hockey games”
Thanks for making my point for me. I doubt I could have found something more damning to Huet’s case.
PS. If you look at the numbers and article, it tries to discuss goals FOR a team and how that affects goalie wins. Looking at it closely, and with the comment you forgot to enclose, it states Huet would win a lot of game BECAUSE the Hawks D prevents shots from going to the net and then above his glove hand, between him and the post , through the 5 hole etc. even if the Hawks didn’t score so much. THAT is why he is number 9 in the article. Find an article putting Huet in the top 10 on a team that allows average defense and help me “CALM THE FUCK DOWN”.
we don't have to put him on an average defensive team
because the Hawks play top-notch defense. The only relevant data right now is from the current situation. Feel free to refer to my stats above to perhaps curb a bit of your sensationalism. Or don’t. Whatever.
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
Your Stats
Not sure what you’re trying to say.
If you’re saying Huet is a good goalie via those stats above I don’t buy it because if we take it to the extreme, if the Hawks D allowed zero shots to get through, Huet would be the best goalie ever! In judging a goalie, save percentage has to be in the equation.
If on the other hand you’re saying Huet is “good enough” because the Hawks score a lot and their defense is good enough to carry him…well OK I can buy that. I’ll even buy that the stats somewhat support a Huet/Niemi equality, though they ARE slightly in favor of Niemi and if you take save % into account, Niemi wins there too.
Yeah the salary I probably should have left out….that’s more damning of Tallon than Huet. Sorry.
All I am really suggesting is that on the Hawks, right now, I’d like to see Niemi be able to challenge for the number 1 slot by playing more games before the playoffs start. I don’t think Huet has played well enough to nail down the #1 slot beyond a shadow of a doubt if you will permit me that. And I say that based on statistical performance for the whole body of work to date this season, even though hockey is a team sport. Really, the only realistic argument that I saw against that from Huet supporters is that perhaps Niemi isn’t ready for that and will fail like a Craig Anderson or Michael Leighton. i doubt that, but OK valid consideration. Then we have Huet to fall back on. Still, I’d like to see Niemi put under playoff type workload BEFORE the playoffs which means sitting Huet for an extended time to see if Niemi can do better. What is wrong with that?
Alright!!
I can buy into this. You bring logic to this which is alot more than can be said about all the Trade Huet and get Price, Halak, Gigueirre folk. No One wants his Salaary
I’ll buy into the let’s ride Niemi a bit more and see what we have in him because of the great Defense the team does play.
September 26, 2007 The day a Franchise was reborn.
Thank You!
Let’s see what we have so that we are prepared for the playoffs when we need it. Basically, that’s all I’m saying.
The root of what I was getting at
with those stats was that there’s a very small difference between Huet and Niemi when it comes to frequency of performances when they give the team a viable shot to win the game. It also disproves some of the meatballs trying to say Niemi’s twice as good as Huet, Huet is awful, etc. Yes, Huet is in a bit of a slump recently, and yes, I wouldn’t mind seeing Niemi get a couple in a row IF Huet’s slump continues and IF Niemi proves to be the hot hand for a stretch. I’m not pulling for Niemi to fail at all, but a couple starts in a row, and a few more overall, could indeed give everyone a better grip on what we’re really looking at going forward with him.
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
Thank you too!
That’s all I want to see right now.
No problem
I’m glad this turned around into a civil discussion, and doubly glad this is really the only issue that we have to debate with this team right now.
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
LOL
Don’t get me started on the Barker issue! ;-)
haha
Doesn’t there need to be a debate on it for it to be an issue?
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
true but...
what could ANYBODY taking the other side, i’m assuming all 3 of us are on the same side for once.
fisting barry rozner with every goal!!!
by soupy's spin-o-rama on Jan 20, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
Noooooooooo!!!!
I’m done for today. Have to go lick my stock market wounds. Thanks for the fun discussions on a tough day!
lol
have a good one
fisting barry rozner with every goal!!!
by soupy's spin-o-rama on Jan 20, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
Kudos
to hjammer for patience and persistence and husler for willingness to listen.
An Internet discussion that produces a meeting of minds. Turns out, we’re all not retarded after all!
we're not retards
we just play them on the internet. No but really, thanks dude.
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
That argument would be relevant if the Hawks magically started letting a shitstorm of shots rain down on Huet, but we all know that isn’t going to happen.
by Original Six on Jan 20, 2010 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
so....
pretty much like we have all been saying… due to our Defense and our puck possession style of play. we don’t need him to be this amazing, standing on his head every game goalie. he does what we need him to do. he is role player on this team and plays his role perfectly.
fisting barry rozner with every goal!!!
by soupy's spin-o-rama on Jan 20, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
he does what we need him to do. he is role player on this team and plays his role perfectly.
Somewhere, Brent Sopel is sighing while listening to Nickelback. You’ll just never be able to convince people of this. Everyone needs to be spectacular all the time.
by Original Six on Jan 20, 2010 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
Ten please
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
GF advantage?
Is that a reference to Hossa over Havlat?
All right, come on, dummy, you won the game. Come on. Pick up your trophy.
this is what i hear
stats stats stats sarcastic interpretation blah blah blah money GM’ing apotheosis stark ultimatum to face dark truth:
HUET SUCKSSSSSSS and niemi has finnished proving himself
thank you husier777. not sure if i really mean that.
All right, come on, dummy, you won the game. Come on. Pick up your trophy.
oh good
If we fail to do anything less than winning the Cup you can say “I told you so.”
Nothing like identifying the reason for furture failure.
The only Cup we can win is this years
by Johnny Lava on Jan 20, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
When you got it you deserved it
God or Bad we are going to see Huet at least 15 more times before the 2nd season starts.
If the Hawks win 10 of those 15 games, he has done his job.
Same goes for Niemi (Niemi Vice).
25 shots or less and these guys win the cup.
"All questions must be submitted in writing"
I hope so too bud
But I’m also confident that he’ll get it together. The nights that he spits the bit always stand out more in memory than the nights where he’s solid. No need to dig up stats, as they’ve been posted ad nauseum. In fact, I’m surprised we don’t have stats on his performances based on what he ate for dinner at this point. In the meantime, let’s hope the Hawks can continue to be the boogeymen of Western Canada, perhaps even another touchdown in the Saddledome.
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
with all due respect, when you brought up these concerns 4 weeks ago, Huet hadn’t had several bad games in a row yet, so we felt you were talking out your ass.
all goaltenders get cold at some point in a season, and that’s probably what has happened to Huey. that doesn’t make him an “average at best” goalie. it just means that he’s not at his athletic and mental peak right now.
All right, come on, dummy, you won the game. Come on. Pick up your trophy.
With all due respect
you are incorrect. He had botched several games and got bailed out on one. The writing was on the all…obviously.
Then please remind me of the games you’re referring to.
All right, come on, dummy, you won the game. Come on. Pick up your trophy.
you all
seem to be so good at scouring this site and recalling others comments. Search for my posts a few weeks ago so I don’t have to commit the dreaded error of posting repetitive info. Also, watcing his style of play and flopping around like a fish was enough for me to know this was coming, even back then.
By you all, I assume you mean the people on this site who scour it and recall others’ comments. You’ll find that I am not one of those. I pretty much half-ass it on here. At least tell me when it was, because otherwise I’ll continue judging you.
All right, come on, dummy, you won the game. Come on. Pick up your trophy.
Ok, Huet has blown some games
The offense has been bad some games, the defense down-right silly at times. But through it all this team has managed to win a bunch of games. “Us all” are likely the ones that believe that as a whole this team has played well and will continue to. Huet by himself will not keep the Hawks from hoisting Lord Stanley’s Cup. It would be a team failure if they don’t.
The only Cup we can win is this years
no
The only Cup we can win is this years
by Johnny Lava on Jan 21, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
RE: Chicago/General Hockey Media
You never see anyone screaming that the sky is falling if the Hawks get shut out, or only manage one goal. There was that 7-game stretch in late November/early December where they only notched more than 2 goals once (3) and nobody was clamoring for trades or yelling about how the offense was broken. This too shall pass ladies and gentlemen.
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 10:39 AM CST reply actions
I recall some power play angst...
…but you’re point is well-taken.
by cliffkoroll on Jan 20, 2010 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
Ice Condition
Anyone else notice the amount of bouncing pucks last night? Not any excuse yb any means but it seemed to be real choppy.
There was one shift in the 3rd where Seabrook wiffed 2x, Madden Whiffed, Keith failed clear on a whiff and i think Ladd also did. the ice was in real bad shape and 2.5 periods of play.
September 26, 2007 The day a Franchise was reborn.
Lazy Zamboni drivers
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Lousy Drivers....
The theme of the day is “Lousy”
Main Entry: lousy
Pronunciation: \ˈlau̇-zē\
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): lous·i·er; lous·i·est
Date: 14th century
1 : infested with lice
2 a : totally repulsive : contemptible b : miserably poor or inferior c : somewhat ill d : amply supplied : replete
"anvil of sarcasm" - wu
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 20, 2010 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
I’ve noticed the bouncy puck syndrome several times this year. (also at the UC a few times)
They’re supposed to keep the pucks frozen (to a precise temperature) for each game.
I don’t know if it’s shitty ice, or if they put the pucks in the microwave (they pushed the popcorn button?) instead of the Dorm room fridge, but there’s something screwy goin on around here…
"My Father's name is Jack, and my mother's name is Daniels..."
chi question for you...
are you or trix on the radio right now yelling at Waddle and silvy right now? b.c. a girl just called in and yelled at them for not knowing anything about hockey and being frustrated listening to them and made good points throughout.
fisting barry rozner with every goal!!!
by soupy's spin-o-rama on Jan 20, 2010 11:23 AM CST reply actions
very well done....
you just made my day. i’m listening right now and screaming also, talking to hjjammer about how i can’t handle ppl who don’t watch hockey flipping out. and i had a feeling that whoever that was had to be part of this blog
fisting barry rozner with every goal!!!
by soupy's spin-o-rama on Jan 20, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
If I had the time, I would have pointed out how much better goalies get the more shots they face. That’s why you have these goalies in the playoffs looking like Vezina winners – they play behind teams that have crappy defense and give up a ton of shots on goal.
"Another successful interaction with a man!" - Liz Lemon
Love how you
got away with a “hell” and claiming you wanted to punch both of them. AND got invited to call in more often by them.
September 26, 2007 The day a Franchise was reborn.
I just called in again
Because people want to debate me. And I will take them ALL DOWN.
"Another successful interaction with a man!" - Liz Lemon
congrats
On cleaning up the sewage that normally spews from your mouth.
Lol
September 26, 2007 The day a Franchise was reborn.
Just the same...
…let’s keep the 7 second delay and finger on the dump button if Sportsgal is getting back on.
Give ’em hell!
by cliffkoroll on Jan 20, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Listen
just because I type swear words doesn’t mean every word coming out of my mouth is a swear.
"Another successful interaction with a man!" - Liz Lemon
Wasn't the number of shots argument debunked by PP a while back?
For some reason I remember reading that, but I can’t find it right now. Does anyone know what I’m talking about, or am I imagining shit?
Second City Hockey Most Postingest Poster of 2009
NOW STOP IT RIGHT HERE
Not sure if this is what you’re looking for, but behind the net did a little thing about it.
http://www.behindthenethockey.com/2009/12/3/1110764/do-goalies-need-to-face-shots-in
That's exactly what I'm looking for.
I guess it wasn’t PP after all.
Second City Hockey Most Postingest Poster of 2009
NOW STOP IT RIGHT HERE
Sorry to double post, wanted to make sure the link was correct and hit post instead of preview.
But the one problem I have looking at this is that it only looks at time between shots, not specifically amount of shots. So it maybe a thing of not seeing shots for long periods time and time again eventually has an effect, whereas just one gap does not have an effect.
you might be right
I guess I’m just going off of what I see.
"Another successful interaction with a man!" - Liz Lemon
What I was referring to wasn't exactly the same thing that you were talking about
I’d be interested in seeing some statistical data to back up what you’ve observed…
Second City Hockey Most Postingest Poster of 2009
NOW STOP IT RIGHT HERE
I've googled the save % vs shots faced...
Most of the stats show a very slight differential in save percentage if the goalie faces more shots.
I’m going off of memory here, but I know Anaheim made the finals riding Giggy’s coat tails. They were horrible defensively so Giggy had to be awesome for them to advance in the playoffs.
"Another successful interaction with a man!" - Liz Lemon
Yes
This was my thesis (similar to Sportsgall above.)
Goalies who face fewer shots have lower SV%. Dirt dug up some data that suggested that maybe there was a small impact here, but not significnant.
I also theorized that the Hawks puck posession emphasis resulted in fewer overall chances for the opposition but relatively more high quality chances. Hard to come by any data here, so there it lays.
by cliffkoroll on Jan 20, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
Ohhhhhh...Okayyyyyy
So Huet is bad on save % because we have a good defense and he doesn’t face enough shots. That’s the best the Huet lovers can come up with? Nice. AND the shots he faces are much tougher than other goalies because we’re so good. Those rose colored glasses are getting darker and darker. Soon you’ll be totally blind.
Question?
What do you want them to do? Play Niemi full time?
September 26, 2007 The day a Franchise was reborn.
Niemi Full Time?
No. And I’m not suggesting to trade Huet either. What WOULD I suggest?
1) Play the goalie with the hot hand more. Play good, play more. Too easy? Q benched lots of guys for bad play and woke them up. Afraid to hurt Huet’s confidence by making him fight for #1? I don’t buy that in sports.
2) Huet last year and at the start of this year was a “swimmer”….going down too early (Montreal style) and swimming to make stops. He was coached out of that this year but seems to be reverting….coaches need to help him remember what he did when he was playing well this year.
3) Remind him to hug the posts but not to glue himself to one…in case he has to move across the crease.
4) If his mind wanders from points 2 and 3, see point 1.
Right now I think Niemi deserves to be and Huet has blown the opportunity to be #1 on the Hawks. Put more burden on Niemi and less on Huet. Huet seems to play better rested. NOW is the time to see if Niemi can handle 4 or 5 in a row NOT when we’re down 3-1 in the semi’s.
Fair enough?
by husler777 on Jan 20, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Not gonna happen on
a 8 game road trip. While i may not agree with you. i can say that you won’t be seeing this on this long of a road trip where it’s tiring enough with 2 goalies let alone playing 1 for an extended game period.
September 26, 2007 The day a Franchise was reborn.
Are you fucking serious?
You think the coaches aren’t on top of that already? Nice suggestion, I think they probably got it already.
by HungryHungryPanda on Jan 20, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Putting more burden on a rookie goalie
worked wonders for Craig Anderson and Michael Leighton.
FifthFeather.com
by El Duque's Raft on Jan 20, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Mason lit it up
in Columbus. Just don’t look at this year.
The only Cup we can win is this years
by Johnny Lava on Jan 20, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
well no
He clearly lost that round all by himself. We should have know he was a bad goalie, his terrible SV% of .916 was padded by the 10 SO
The only Cup we can win is this years
WTF are you talking about?
We were having a discussion about goalies playing outstanding in the PLAYOFFS because they’re behind teams that have lower puck possession and give up more shots per game.
This has nothing to do with being in love with Huet. People call for his head any time he has a sub-par game but won’t place the blame of the outcome on anyone but him. The team played like shit last night. Hockey is a team sport, not a fucking sport based on how good your goalie is.
"Another successful interaction with a man!" - Liz Lemon
but, but
defence wins championships!! And the goalie is the last line of defence!!
we need to be more of a running team too, and hit less home-runs!
The only Cup we can win is this years
by Johnny Lava on Jan 20, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Get your Canadian C's out of here!
My point is this – it’s fucking stupid to start the goalie controversy bullshit after one bad game when the team as a whole played like shit. People around here love to finger point, and Huet is the easiest target. Maybe instead of looking at one game for proof, you should look at the body of his work.
And while you do that, I’ll check out his body. HEY-OH!!!
"Another successful interaction with a man!" - Liz Lemon
Body of work
Okay. I took the time to look up stats for his body of work this year and posted them. Take a look above. His save % is 31st in a league with 30 teams. So I get a post with “Oh…well that’s because he’s not facing enough shots or the shots are tougher than for others” crap. I.E. not Huet’s fault. BS. Also, if you look above I’m not saying trade him. AND, I agree hockey is a team sport….but so is baseball and football. In baseball you need good pitching to win the world series. In football a great QB helps a lot towards a Super Bowl. In the NHL I remember few Stanley Cup winners with bad goalies (Pittsburg maybe?) but quite a few Stanley Cup winners where goalies stole the cup. Let’s see what Niemi can do on a #1 basis so we know what we’re going into the playoffs with. I think most of us have seen enough of Huet to make an opinion. Let’s see Niemi.
Why?
The Hawks have no reason to show you their back-up goalie and overexpose him to the rest of the league.
FifthFeather.com
by El Duque's Raft on Jan 20, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry, but I don't go for the pitcher/goalie analogy
Are you also going to tell me that Osgood was an incredible goalie in the finals two years ago and he was the reason they won the cup? No. And you guys better get used to the Red Wings comparisons because they’re valid. We play the same style – puck possession, strong special teams (especially defensively), and high shots on goal. If last night had been the playoffs, then yes I’d want Huet to sit the next game. But it’s JANUARY OF THE REGULAR SEASON. They lost to Ottawa. Calm the fuck down people.
"Another successful interaction with a man!" - Liz Lemon
FORGET THAT!
It’s tinfoil helmet time!!!
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
wait
are you blaming alien/govt space rays or is the sky falling? Cause if the sky is falling we’ll need something much stronger than foil to protect our noggins
The only Cup we can win is this years
by Johnny Lava on Jan 20, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
OH GOD IT'S BOTH!
We’re fucked!
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
Tinfoil lined Hardhats
We should sell these at the bar saturday. See if we can get some SCH decals to put on em too
The only Cup we can win is this years
all proceeds go to Haiti booze.
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
wait, wait
you know those Hardhats with the cup-holders and drinking tube?
We’ll line THOSE with foil!
That’s gold baby!!
The only Cup we can win is this years
YO SPORTSGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
caps needed to get your attention. You didn’t make the cut on the Waddle and Silvy podcast (which is what I listen to), I’m dying to know what you said to them. What did they say to piss you off and what did you rant about? I’m down with specific quotes if you want to give um.
"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."
I doubted I was going to make the podcast.
I was only on for maybe 2 minutes tops. I can’t remember direct quotes but I basically said they were making me mental and yell at the radio talking about all this “trade for a goalie” crap. I mentioned the team as a whole played poorly, and that the person who said we shouldn’t make comparisons to Osgood/the Wings was completely wrong. I said the team plays the same as the Wings with puck possession and strong defense and that we don’t need our goalie to stand on his head during the playoffs. One quote I do remember was about JR. The guys were saying how much he knows about hockey and went with all his stats and I said, “But what the hell does that have to do with knowing anything about this Blackhawks team? It’s not like he’s played in front of Huet.” Anyway, that was about it. Silvy asked me what jersey I owned (Toews) and then told me to call in whenever I wanted. I think I got through so quickly because I was a girl and they knew I was going to yell at them.
"Another successful interaction with a man!" - Liz Lemon
seriously?
I was just about to ask you directly if it was you cause if just eeemed like something you would do. HAHA good stuff
September 26, 2007 The day a Franchise was reborn.
Awesome!
SCH represent!
We should make this site into a political party, a sort of hockey punk movement, dedicated to making all hockey idiots learn about what they’re talking about, and shut up before they have.
All right, come on, dummy, you won the game. Come on. Pick up your trophy.
Did anyone hear JR's interview with Waddle and Silvy today?
I love JR but I couldn’t disagree with him more. His analysis – Chicago won’t win anything with either Huet or Niemi and we need to trade for a goalie. I want to punch someone.
"Another successful interaction with a man!" - Liz Lemon
well, sure
Jr has extensive knowledge of not winning a Cup
The only Cup we can win is this years
by Johnny Lava on Jan 20, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
and running his mouth
to hear himself talk. He was talking about Kovalchuk being full of himslef and i had a laug at the pot calling the kettle black
September 26, 2007 The day a Franchise was reborn.
The Hawks
should retire his jersey.
All right, come on, dummy, you won the game. Come on. Pick up your trophy.
I'm split on that one
I can’t even convince myself of one way or the other for more than 3 minutes. I’m all for taking 27 out of use for a few years to study the issue further tho
The only Cup we can win is this years
They also called JR hockey's version of Charles Barkley
Which pretty much means they didn’t watch him on NBC, because he was awful. I don’t mind Waddle and Silvy, but they totally fuck up every time they attempt to talk about hockey.
by HungryHungryPanda on Jan 20, 2010 12:22 PM CST reply actions
Silvy claims he watches hockey
But it’s becoming more and more apparent that he really doesn’t know much about the sport at all. That’s why I listen to the Afternoon Saloon. Those guys know hockey.
"Another successful interaction with a man!" - Liz Lemon
Waddle and Silvy
they don’t know hockey, but that’s why I love it here, this is where I come to immerse myself in hockey. That being said, Waddle and Silvy is tremendously entertaining sports talk radio, and I’m a big fan of the show. I’m not so sure that the Afternoon Saloon guys really know hockey, Carm was a big meatheaded Campbell basher last year (even though at times, soup deserved it), and I do remember Carm talking about how he was worried about Hammer’s defense (early this year). I think the Afternnon saloon guys know hockey relative to everyone else on AM1000, which isn’t saying much.
My big issue with the afternoon saloon guys is that they can’t talk sports and be funny, they’re either 100% goofing around or 100% trying to analyze our teams, Waddle and Silvy have a great balance in that department.
"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."
Agreed
I don’t think they should ever talk about hockey, but of course they have to since it’s the only winning team in town. But you’re right, those guys don’t pretend to know much about hockey and they are pretty entertaining together. Giangreco is on every once in a while and knows a decent amount about hockey.
by HungryHungryPanda on Jan 20, 2010 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe I'm biased
because my Blackhawks seats are next to Jurko’s but I love the Afternoon Saloon guys. I like Waddle and Silvy too, but Carm, Jurko and Harry make me laugh all the time. Plus they’re one of the only shows that will spend a significant amount of time talking about hockey. Let’s be fair to Carmen because I’m pretty sure almost everyone was a Campbell basher last year. Both Carm and Jurko play hockey and Jurko has watched hockey all his life. He is pretty knowledgeable on the sport. He sees things at the game that I totally miss.
"Another successful interaction with a man!" - Liz Lemon
Anyone ambitious enough to do this?
http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2010/1/10/1233023/price-halak-the-stats-december-2009
Talk about excellent stuff.
I've been eyeing that enviously for the last few days now
That, plus Puck Prospectus’ article on goalie support.
It’s like the golden standard for goalie analysis, although it’s got so much information that I think a lot of stuff gets buried/overanalyzed. I’ve got an Excel worksheet set up for the Olympic break, though I doubt it could be anything more than a pale, shoddy imitation.
by chiblackhawks on Jan 20, 2010 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
We can make it a group project at the Road Watch on Saturday. I’ll type the bibliography!
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
God damnit.
Am I the only one here who doesn’t regularly travel with the blog? The burden of being underage…
by Original Six on Jan 20, 2010 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Nope
I live 4 hours south of Chicago, so I don’t get to many of the bar-watch parties.
/Note unceasing sarcastic laughter in background.
by burpchelischili on Jan 20, 2010 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
No, I was laid off in November, so I get to watch from home.
/Note unceasing sarcastic laughter in background.
by burpchelischili on Jan 21, 2010 5:42 AM CST up reply actions
But we'll have punch and pie
"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy."
Martin Luther King, Jr.
2009 SCH Post Whore
2010 Troll Collector
But we’ll have punch and pie
I already get punched daily when the wife asks, “Did you find a job yet?” To which I answer, " Not yet Dear. OOF! Stop hitting me!"
On the other hand, I do like pie…
/Note unceasing sarcastic laughter in background.
by burpchelischili on Jan 21, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
Good christ
That’s a fucking term paper. I’m too lazy to read the entire thing, but would gladly welcome an abridged version for the Blackhawks!
"Another successful interaction with a man!" - Liz Lemon
Holy crap
That really is amazing; must have taken forever to create. Awesome, although admittedly I got bored with all the minutae halfway through and just looked at the colorful tables and pretty pictures.
I noticed they reference some of Halak’s mishaps being caused by a malady called “Huet disease”. Is that a treatable condition?
Good thing the Quebecois
government has fellowships for people who want to research the Habs.
All right, come on, dummy, you won the game. Come on. Pick up your trophy.
Speaking of Saturday
What’s the cab situation like near Whirlaway? I can public transpo it there but there’s no way I’m going to stand around waiting for the bus/train at midnight.
"Another successful interaction with a man!" - Liz Lemon
I'm hoping it's decent
Because I’ll likely be doing the same thing
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
I admit to being a relative newcomer to this sport called "Hockey" but...
and so my opinion might count for little, but I ask myself the following:
1- What is their record? Awesome.
2- Are there teams that have more points? Rarely.
3- Where are they in the standings? On Top
4- Who is the lead goalie that got them there? Huet
As a neophyte, I just cannot see the logic or reasoning behind this horrid, spiteful and pathetic debate on the goalie situation.
Make the Playoffs, win each series and make it to the cup. Right now, it sure looks like we can do that with Huet.
"anvil of sarcasm" - wu
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 20, 2010 1:28 PM CST reply actions
Solid, reasonable logic
Bueno. Looks like you’re on the right track.
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
I seem to remember reading something like that
wait, I know:
http://www.secondcityhockey.com/2010/1/16/1254980/the-huet-situation
(Yes, it’s a shameful plug)
The only Cup we can win is this years
Shameless, Shameful...
Shineola… whatevs… :)
"anvil of sarcasm" - wu
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 20, 2010 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
The thing that angers me the most about the whole thing is the idiots that stay stupid shit like “OMG TRADE HUET FOR A CHEAP VETERAN GOALIE TO GET RID OF HIS SALARY” and “OMG START NIEMI HES SO MUCH BETTER.”
First, that’s not happening, second, that’s just a stupid statement for various reasons. This is backed up by the insistence of persons with these opinions to conveniently ignore any questions asking for trade partners and scenarios.
Personally, I believe Huet is an average goalie who is outrageously streaky. He’ll have stretches of time when he’s brilliant, e.g., November and December, and stretches of time when he just looks really, really bad, e.g., past couple weeks or so, shutout notwithstanding. That being said, Niemi has played like 15 games in his career, and I don’t feel comfortable handing the reins over to him right now. Q is handling this fine, like a 65-35 rotation, and we’re on top of the standings. Learn to deal. Huet will come around again; look what happened after the first month of the season.
And also, don’t forget, we have two $7MM defensemen playing in front of the goalie, and both got undressed yesterday leading to goals.
by illinikc33 on Jan 20, 2010 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
not defending soup or ripping huet but.....
I don’t consider it “getting undressed” when the guy ends up behind the net. Sure he beat Campbell, but he didn’t get a shot off, I put that goal 100% on Huet.
"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."
looking at the replay
whoever it was had no intention of taking that shot, and every intention of heading behind the net. i’m just saying, if we’re going to bash a guy because he makes $5MM, don’t forget who we’re paying playing in front of him on D.
Check out the SCH facebook page
look at those douchey comments.
We should consider ourselves lucky.
However, I’m done with these Blackhawks.
They can’t score, the D sucks, and neither goalie is proven.
Fuck them, and all of you too!
I’m wasting my time!
"All questions must be submitted in writing"
i just did and wow.....
and i thought we had some redic. statements and arguments made here. wow am i glad i don’t follow them on fb. no offense guys. but some of those statements are outragous
fisting barry rozner with every goal!!!
by soupy's spin-o-rama on Jan 20, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
Columbo forgot one more thing
Esquire02 – Noone here has ever said that Huet was a hall of fame goaltender or anything more than an average goalie that sometimes plays great. We all know he is overpaid. The next time you decide to type it, put your thumb up your ass instead. We know this is your opinion. You are entitled to it. However, nobody wants to read the same thing every time you type.
Keep on commenting.
"All questions must be submitted in writing"
I am
not the one who brings it up over and over and over again. I am just so happy to see that some others are starting to see the light. Whatever.
You are too
But as I said, it is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
I hope Niemi can play well tonight, because if he doesn’t, Q, YOU, ed8, and all the other donkeys that all of a sudden watch hockey have fucked up a great team.
Huet will be the goalie that takes this team wherever it goes. Niemi will help the cause, no doubt, and he already has. He is/was in a no lose situation. Now, we’ll see.
I’ll be rooting for him.
Whatever.
"All questions must be submitted in writing"
Madden had a nice game.
(a little something positive for the day)
The only Cup we can win is this years
and more Huet fun..
with a splash of “It’s all Bill Wirtz’s fault” thrown in:
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/rosenblog/2010/01/whats-the-deal-with-the-hawks.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rosenblog+%28ChicagoSports-+RosenBlog%29
The only Cup we can win is this years
assuming w/o conceding the cap didn't exist and his proposal could be done...
Was he actually suggesting trading Huet (who’s “taking up about 10 percent of [the cap] without having won so much as a playoff series”)—and then pinning all our Cup aspirations on Niemi, who is cheaper but also has not won a playoff series—so we can get “a playmaking center that allows Patrick Sharp to give opponents windburn on the wing.”
NOW STOP IT RIGHT HERE.
Can we give this guy a Sylvania Telestrator, please, so that we can maybe draw a big red circle around DAVE BOLLAND IS SKATING AGAIN AND COULD BE BACK BEFORE OLYMPIC BREAK STARTS?
So, the Hawks are stuck in a way, banking on Bolland and Burish to produce
Because clearly, our 3rd-ranked 166 goals this season are reflective of our offensive struggles, and if there was ANY way at all that we could improve our Cup chances, it would OBVIOUSLY be through trading away our goalie, leaving our rookie goalie to carry us through the rest of the season and to the playoffs, so we can have YET ANOTHER FORWARD.
Oh, and by the way? If the cap didn’t exist and therefore we can pull off such a move, WHY would we even be in a position where we’d want to DROP our $5.25m goalie? The salary (his main point of contention with Huet) won’t matter anymore in a salary-cap-less world.
asdfhkajdfh;ajsfdlasjdfdkf my brain just ASPLODED.
by chiblackhawks on Jan 20, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Anybody banking on Burish prodicing
is indeed in trouble.
Bolland on the other hand can produce some points, when he is 100%
Aren’t the Blackhawks 1st in goal differential?
I can’t take much more of this maroonicness
"All questions must be submitted in writing"
he's trying to say we don't know if Bolland or Burish are coming back
thus, we are in trouble.
Except they’ve been gone for most of the season and we’re in SO MUCH trouble we’re second in the league. SIGH.
by chiblackhawks on Jan 20, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
And uhhh
don’t we know that they’re coming back already?
by Original Six on Jan 20, 2010 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
Nevermind.
If I possessed reading comprehension skills, I would’ve seen that in the bigger post above.
by Original Six on Jan 20, 2010 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
bigger comment.
Not post.
I am so full of fail today.
by Original Six on Jan 20, 2010 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
if it makes you feel better
you’re STILL not as faily as Rosendouche.
by chiblackhawks on Jan 20, 2010 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
Him and Rozner share sources
and pay no attention to Bolland traveling with the team and probably being back before the Olympic break. And… that that would be the center that would allow Sharp to go back to wing. Nope. Must trade. It’s the Chicago way.
The only Cup we can win is this years
Burish will continue producing broken hearts and UTI’s all over the Greater Chicagoland area. No cause for concern there.
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
I’m getting close to just reading this site for my Hawks news.
The only Cup we can win is this years
That's what I do
with a dash of Jesse Rogers only because he gets quotes from players.
"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."
Holy hockey shits Batman...
some interesting and passionate jousting going on today. Damn near got bloody too. All this and still 10 days till a full moon.
GO YOU BLACKHAWKS!
Revenge is a very very very dangerous motivation!
by thepuckstopshere on Jan 20, 2010 2:50 PM CST reply actions
Not very interesting in my opinion
Smart people: Huet doesn’t suck. Shut up.
Dumb people: But save percentage!!!!
I am beyond tired of this argument. It’s the nhl. Teams are going to get their scoring chances. Just because a team only gets 14 shots in a game doesn’t mean huet should save them all. Maybe two of those are really good chances and they go in. His save percentage isn’t going to look so great but he’s doing his job.
Maybe the 3 people who dislike huet should realize no one here will ever agree with them and they would be better off posting comments on rosendouche articles. I’m sure his next idea will be to buy out huet and niemi and coax cujo out of retirement.
They brought their fuckin' TOYS with 'em!
by ZootSuitZombie on Jan 20, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
I am beyond tired of this argument
Yeah, today was my last day that I’m getting into any of it.
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
u say that now, but the next time he has a bad game this convo will be back….
As for that shit article, I want to drive down to the trip and smack him upside his head!
let huet just work it out, he will…all goalies have bad stretches…come on
If he can't work it out
Maybe they should sign one of his shitty countrymen to give him some morale, aka the Kopecky Technique
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Jan 20, 2010 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
I'm just waiting for someone to make a convincing argument against Huet.
I like to think I have an open mind with these kinds of things. At one point I really like Barker (I was like 14 at the time though) and now I can’t stand him. The problem is that every week or so a new poster comes along and makes the same inane arguments. If someone really did their homework and showed me that Huet sucks, I’d buy in. But until then, the status quo remains.
by Original Six on Jan 20, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
heh
I’m really tempted to dig through some stats and try to give a logical reason why I think Huet doesn’t give us the best chance to win… (let’s be clear- he doesn’t suck- he’s just not that good) but I’m not. Not yet. I think this will play itself out and truly be self-evident by the time the playoffs roll around.
Yeah I should correct myself in that and say that Niemi gives us a better chance to win instead of Huet. If someone did that and could sway me to believe them with a valid argument, I’d be all for it. I just haven’t seen that yet. When someone just re-hashes the same incomplete argument that we saw last week, I get frustrated and go with the STFU response instead of engaging in conversation and debate about it. Its really led to a decrease in posting here recently for me.
by Original Six on Jan 20, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
I'd be happy to show you the argument
unfortunately all data will not be gathered until late June…
The only Cup we can win is this years
i agree
unfortnately it seems to be mostly Johnny come lately’s that think they’re on to something with the trade Huet stuff.
Little do they know we’ve weathered this storm many a time and whether we don’t express it properly or they take it personally they feel they’re being attacked and we all eblieve he is the answer/or his secret lover
September 26, 2007 The day a Franchise was reborn.
the problem is sample size
Niemi is largely an unknown, and no matter how you try, 14 starts this season just isn’t going to cut it. There’s no guaranteed way to project his performance from here on out either.
by chiblackhawks on Jan 20, 2010 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
Time to send a message to Cam Barker
Deactivate his butt for a few games. He needs a wakeup call. Better still, he needs for Stan Bowman to find a new team for his services.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
wait, you don't like Cam Barker?
"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."
Cam Barker is an interesting case as he is very good without the puck but horrendous with it. Last night he had a simple play to make while coming out of his own zone with a clearly visable Sharp at the blueline he decided to reverse it which was then picked off by Neil.
On the other hand, he faced a 4-on-2 and beautifully intercepted a Kovalev pass to spring the ’Hawks attack the other way. Why he has the 2009 Brouwer syndrome with the puck I have no idea, but he does at the moment.
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
Huet Haters....
You’re questions have been answered.
Niemi to get the start vs CalGary
September 26, 2007 The day a Franchise was reborn.
According to Jesse @ ESPN
“Quenneville said it [the decision to start the Cat] was a performance-based decision, not one based on the schedule they mapped out.”
Cristobal Huet struggled in the Hawks’ 4-1 loss to the Ottawa Senators on Tuesday."
This is a cool blog.
Do you guys like hockey?
Second City Hockey Most Postingest Poster of 2009
NOW STOP IT RIGHT HERE
I'm just here for the doughnuts.
"anvil of sarcasm" - wu
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 20, 2010 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Just finished the last one- my bad.
You could try looking under mjthor’s sofa cushion though.
“Are you eating Sofa Pizza?”
“yeah”
"anvil of sarcasm" - wu
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 20, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
Where the hell do you think that one came from? Do you think they wrote that into the script, or do you think he just fucked up his line/thought it would be funny?
All right, come on, dummy, you won the game. Come on. Pick up your trophy.
if I had to guess
I’d say that was all his idea, based on his propensity to horribly and purposely mispronounce words.
by ITypedforMiles on Jan 20, 2010 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
And baking tips.
"anvil of sarcasm" - wu
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 20, 2010 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
I come here for the beer
"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy."
Martin Luther King, Jr.
2009 SCH Post Whore
2010 Troll Collector
goaltending
Ran some excell spreadsheets here, so initial results:
This season-
Goals against average is a much better indicator of the number of points a team has rather than team goalie save percentage. Both stats do trend logically (meaning, higher save % does mean you have more standings points but not as much as goals against does) but the deviation in team save % bounces all over the place to the point where the trend line looks a little ridiculous.
Last seasons playoffs-
Same thing but even more drastic. In fact, only one of the top playoff save percentage teams made it to the conference finals, detroit. The pens had the 5th worst save percentage but 6th best gaa and, of course, the most wins. The hawks had the 4th worst team save percentage and 3rd worst goals against average yet the 3rd most wins. Boston had the best team goaltending (leaders in GAA & sv%) and had 7 wins, tied with 2 others for the 5 most wins.
I don’t really know what any of these means really other than goalies with good stats are found more other to be paired with good teams but not have the greatest goalie play hardly determines your fate. Generally though, i wouldn’t be too worried about the hawks goalie play until the GAA starts to significantly rise.
Isn't this a tautology?
Since wins in hockey are decided by goals scored, it is patently obvious that GAA would be a better indicator of wins than SV% is.
SV% apparently is not a Big Boy stat, but it corresponds intuitively with goaltending ability better than GAA, IMO.
I looked at the top 10 goalies in SV% and GAA this year. Seven were on both lists:
Ryan Miller
Tuukka Rask
Jimmy Howard
Evgeni Nabokov
Henrik Lundqvist
Miikka Kiprusoff
Martin Brodeur
We should trade for one of these guys. But I digress…
These three were on the GAA list only:
Cristobal Huet
Roberto Luongo
Ilya Bryzgalov
While these three were on the SV% list only:
Tomas Vokoun
Jaroslav Halak
Craig Anderson
Which threesome is better? Maybe not obvious but Luongo is #11 in SV%, so he just missed the “both” list. If we discount Luongo’s presence on the GAA list, this suggest to me that both measures are good, but SV% may be a bit better.
My internet skills suck, but if you graph GAA vs. SV%, you see a high degree of correlation (p = -.75), but…
Huey is far and away the most massive outlier. In other words, for most goalies, ranking by GAA and SV% provide similar results. Something’s going on with Huey- some combination of facing an extraordinary number of tough shots and enjoying great team defense. It seems to me our high-priced D-men and backchecking forwards provide most of the answer to this riddle.
agreed
GAA is definitely more affected by a team’s D. However, D can affect SV% if that D plays great position and limits quality chances, but that’s something that’s impossible to quantify. The reality is that Huet’s GAA is attributable to his team and himself, which is why it’s so good. Huet’s SV% is really on his own shoulders, which is why it is substandard.
But, we wouldn’t be talking so much about Huet if the rest of the team wasn’t so friggin awesome. I think Huet could win us a Cup, and having a guy like Thomas or Brodeur wouldn’t guarantee us a Cup. It’s a crazy game and anything can happen in the playoffs. I just believe in playing the odds when you can. Unfortunately, Huet is a bad gamble for me. But I’m no Coach Q. I think he knows what he’s doing with our netminders.
1961 is a long time ago.
That was my point though
While a goalie that saves more of the shots that are allowed will usually help a team win (and save % is the best stat for that) the overall indicator (GAA) of a team’s defensive skill (which includes the goalie) is the better stat to look at.
My other point was that everything gets fucked up in the playoffs and goalie performance and overall defensive performance tend to mean very little, as far as stats are concerned. Meaning the idea that a team NEEDS a hot goalie to win the cup is pretty ridiculous. For all you sox fans out there, to apply an old Hawk adage “Don’t tell me how many saves you have, tell me when you make them”
sorry, i was typing fast and i don’t know if my logic was thought out.
I prefer Stone
“Don’t tell me what you hit, tell me when you hit”
The only Cup we can win is this years
I'll check on that tonight but
i don’t think you’ll see as tight of a correlation as you might expect. Shots against vary so much and the margin between save percentages are so relatively small that i bet you’ll get some divergence. At least, i didn’t notice anything when i was going through it today.
So this doesn't keep getting interpreted the wrong way
All I said that maybe it was time to look at some big boy stats (GVT is what I mostly had in mind) rather than lacing into a 300 word diatribe based soley on save %. Ok, that is all.
FifthFeather.com
by El Duque's Raft on Jan 20, 2010 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
GVT seems black boxy to me...
…not sure if it survives Occam’s Razor. SV% is crude but simple.
There. Much breifer.
Agreed
sv% isn’t perfect but it’s far more versatile and less presumptuous. GVT is like the BCS system, some nerd’s interpretation of what makes a good hockey player. It’s like one of those stats that billy beane would use while putting together his pathetic oakland a’s teams. Any stat that takes 3 pages to explain what it is and how it is calculated, can’t be that good.
I’m just glad the Hawks are on the road with all of this going on. The last thing Huet and the team need is the for the crowd at the UC to be booing the whole game.
Also, as I commented on “The Huey Situation” post, there are still 30 plus games to play. I look it as an open competition between Huet and Niemi to see who will be our goalie in the playoffs.
Sucker! Competitive violence, that's why you're here!
by cdz3210 on Jan 20, 2010 4:54 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
I like everything about this comment.
Huey has had a chance to nail it down, and he hasn’t, but he still might. Stay tuned.
just to drive the point home
I think it was montreal that has the 3rd or 4th best team save percentage, yet they only have 50 points.
Why?
Why is Huet the only guy that catches the shit every time he’s in goal for a loss?
The Blackhawks win or lose the games, not the goaltender.
Whether or not the Hawks make it to the promised land this season does not rest on his shoulders alone.
This is a marvelous team we are having the privelege to watch this year. For Christ’s sake, just enjoy it!
by the numbers...
the caps and pens have acutally had worse performing goaltenders.
eddie O and huet
Eddie O is the man, he’s funny as hell (random i know) and offers great play by play analysis. He dissects plays iiiimmmediatlyyy lol Huet had to challenge like a desperate man on that play because Seab’s shit the bed with his turn over. A position goalie like Huet isint lightning enough to react to that type of turnover. Thats Y biscuit jammed himself in the net, because he shit the bed.
I believe,
that I seriously fucked up when I was a young kid. I decided to go into electronics, because it is easy for me, and because I enjoy it. As it turns out, I should have taken a different career path…
Do you people know how much money is being made by the people that make soap-boxes? Fuck me running, I could have been a millionaire by now!
I wonder where I can go to get some training…
/Note unceasing sarcastic laughter in background.
by burpchelischili on Jan 20, 2010 6:28 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
You seem like you’d be a friend of my dad’s.
All right, come on, dummy, you won the game. Come on. Pick up your trophy.
There is so much soap box jumping going on, that I figured there must be great money there.
Oh, and you damn kids, get off my lawn!
/Note unceasing sarcastic laughter in background.
by burpchelischili on Jan 21, 2010 5:47 AM CST up reply actions
Where's the Buff?
Is anyone else sick of Big Buff being no Buff??? Where the fuck is this guy? This overpaid asshole only shows up about once every 5 games or so. He can go now!
Darren Dreger: Carolina willing to trade Whitney, Cullen, Walker, Yelle, Alberts, Wallin, Ward, Legace...
Don’t wet your pants just yet. The Canes have two Wards in their roster— it’s probably Aaron Ward on the trade block.
/fueling the fire
i'd trade for Ruutu
I miss heckling him every time he fell
Praise Him!!
by Hawk is God on Jan 20, 2010 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
Face it. The Huet debate will not go away
Until he stands on his head for at least a 5 game stretch where he is the #1 star w/o a doubt. His weaknesses (flopping too early, inability to stop the high shot after said flopping, and inability to go post to post after said flopping) are well documented as are the momentary dozing off where he let’s in a soft toss.
It is what it is. Huey needs to ball up and prove his detractors wrong. Q is trying to light a fire under him. We’ll see how he responds.
by Duck99 on Jan 20, 2010 8:01 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Theories and Statistics
Why is it that all discussions end up into a theoretical and statistical fight? In the end all it is an arguement based on assumptions. Just because it happened last year or ten years ago doesn’t mean it will happen again. Get a grip people.
Last night at warm-ups I noticed some disturbing patterns from the ‘Hawks in general.
First off, Cristobal Huet barely stopped anything during the shootarounds with even Fraser scoring one-on-one and after that Duncan Keith fired a slapshot that wizzed by Huet’s ears almost sending him a message.
Also during the shootarounds I noticed how much fun the ‘Hawks were having with Niemi in net as it seemed he had the team’s support with Kaner pulling out a few tricks and Keith joking with him.
As Huet continued to struggle throughout the game nobody came to his aid during the T.V. timeouts, whereas Alfreddsson and Fisher were often down in their end giving Elliot some support . For whatever reason almost every ’Hawks seemed to look at him with distate and after the 4th GA I happened to noticed Seabrook looking towards Keith and giving an eye roll basically mocking Huet.
It’s not much of a debate when it’s abundantly clear that the team clearly favours one guy over the other.
It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!
now that is some scouting
and some good, valuable info brought into this conversation. If the team has a lack of confidence in Huet that can become a HUGE problem.
Thanks for the insight. I now have something to look for myself when I make it to a game.
The only Cup we can win is this years
how much better is it
to draw conclusions based on observations from a single game?
It’s not much of a debate when it’s abundantly clear that the team clearly favours one guy over the other.
Abundantly? I do not think that word means what you think it means. I’ve not seen Huet as sloppy in pregame skates as you and meeshak saw last night, and while I haven’t actually been sharp enough to pay attention, nothing I’ve seen in previous games/practices has made it blatantly obvious to me that the team has no confidence in Huet.
I’m not saying it isn’t true, mind, and certainly this is something I’ll be watching out for. I just think those are pretty big statements to drop based on how one person interpreted certain nuances among players on a single night.
by chiblackhawks on Jan 20, 2010 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
inconcievable!!
Do you get a feel on how the goalies night will be based on warm-ups? I only make a few games a year so i’m not really paying that much attention to just one player at that time.
The only Cup we can win is this years
never gamble with a sicilian when his life is on the line!
I’ve never really noted that, but I think since it got noted last night it was something particularly clear from warm-ups then. I usually watch what drills they run and, lately, if Kane’s hand-eye coordination improves and he manages to pull off that baseball move.
by chiblackhawks on Jan 20, 2010 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you.......
"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."
so clearly it is the wine in front of me!
/Note unceasing sarcastic laughter in background.
by burpchelischili on Jan 21, 2010 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
As you wish
"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy."
Martin Luther King, Jr.
2009 SCH Post Whore
2010 Troll Collector
EEEEEWWWWWW!
Kissy stuff!
/Note unceasing sarcastic laughter in background.
by burpchelischili on Jan 21, 2010 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
know what would be awesome?
imagine about 5 min in to game 3 of the Finals:
Douchbag goalie: Why are you smiling?
Hossa: Cause I know something you don’t
Douchbag goalie: What’s that?
Hossa: I’m not really left handed!
The only Cup we can win is this years
by Johnny Lava on Jan 21, 2010 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
You just struck the motherload of sample size errors.
You complain that Huet wasn’t joking around with the players before the game, but is that really what the starting goalie should be doing about 20 minutes before the game? Everyone would be complaining that he wasn’t getting focused and was dicking around.
I’m sure the goaltending in warm ups is the same as it was in the game too. Huet dropped into the butterfly and practiced his technique? No. He gets a feel for the angles and the ice while loosening up the muscles.
Are the defenders going to play worse because they might not like Huet?
Have you had enough hypothetical questions?
by Original Six on Jan 20, 2010 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
In that case
would they joke around with Niemi if he were starting?
You might also consider that maybe Niemi’s just more of a fun guy to be around and Huet is more the professional type. But I wouldn’t know, would I?
I fully agree with your assessment, although a lot of the interaction with Huet I couldn’t pick up, since I didn’t feel like spending half a paycheck to sit five rows back.
Huet didn’t stop anything during warm-ups, didn’t position himself well, and the Hawks played poorly in front of him. I can’t speak for team chemistry, although I did notice Kane playing around with the puck when Niemi was in goal, but I definitely think Niemi needs a few starts in a row.
All right, come on, dummy, you won the game. Come on. Pick up your trophy.
Whoa whoa whoa
Now we’re saying the guys don’t like Huet? Come on now. We have crossed over the “ridiculous” line and have moved directly to “bat shit crazy.”
"Another successful interaction with a man!" - Liz Lemon
Wanna see the Blues get screwed on a call?
Of course you do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEQzxQDCE6I&feature=player_embedded
Janssen and Hamrlik got called for roughing. Conklin got called for leaving the crease. Price didn’t get called for any penalties despite dropping the gloves and getting a shot or two in.
The Habs scored on the powerplay.
by Original Six on Jan 20, 2010 9:58 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I totally saw this on NHL Network
That might have been the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen. I can’t believe JANSSEN got called for a penalty on that! The reffing this season has been absolutely atrocious.
"Another successful interaction with a man!" - Liz Lemon
wow
people would crap if Huet came out that far… no way that’s a penalty, except for Price…
"My Father's name is Jack, and my mother's name is Daniels..."
Niemi in net vs Calgary
Huet: “That was a tough game for me from start to finish, really,” he said. "In the first period, giving up 2 goals and we come back 2-1, then giving up that third one and the fourth one, just a terrible game from me.
“Not a lot of shots (18). I tried to stay focused and do my best, but things weren’t going my way.”
http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=352540&src=149
"My Father's name is Jack, and my mother's name is Daniels..."
Sassone: It’s looking more and more like Dallas will attempt to deal Marty Turco before the March 3 trade deadline with the veteran goalie set to become an unrestricted free agent. Washington and Philadelphia could be interested.
Personally, I think he’s a showboat, but I thought the hater-traders would love this…
"My Father's name is Jack, and my mother's name is Daniels..."
WE DO NOT NEED TURCO
God help me if Bowman makes this trade. I swear to christ I will hurt someone.
"Another successful interaction with a man!" - Liz Lemon
Oh my sweet xmas.
This is fuel for a fire I wish would just burn out.
Welcome to the Glibert Arenas Gun Show.
by AirTrafficAJ on Jan 20, 2010 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
Jus wondering ....
Huet… gets all the love and the statement..“One player isn/t gonna make or break us we need to contine to support him” which is fine
Barker….get all the hate and the statement “Better still, he needs for Stan Bowman to find a new team for his services.”…
what the hell is going on here???
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
It's not that we hate Barker, although some do
He is for some reason considered an offensive defenseman. Offensive can mean different things mind you. We think the Hawks can get something that helps out more than an overpaid 5th or 6th d man. He could conceivably be a 3rd or 4th d man on another team (Brian Burke). What bothers me about Barker is not his skill or lack thereof, but his utter inability to seem to care what happens. For lack of a better word “NUMBNESS”.
Huet is a goalie. We know that we cannot trade him to anybody because he is an overpaid goalie for what he is, so we live with it. We also know that he is not the worst goalie the Hawks could have. Is he the best? He is the best they could get at the time. He wins more games with the Hawks than the guy he replaced. He is the best goalie the Hawks have had playing for them in a long time. Yes, he is flat out a better goalie than Khabby, especially while with the Blackhawks. Look it up! Is Huet the best on the team? The stats say not right now. Most of us think that he is. I think we are about to find out.
I don’t think Huet gets ALL the love. I know you read this Blog. If that’s love, then I’ll pass.
"All questions must be submitted in writing"
I'll settle this ..
This b.s. debate about goaltending?….hell i could tend goal with this defense!,..leave em alone!, both of em, just cuz we’re chicago we gotta stir up shit, ANY SHIT, just to stir the pot. Fuck it,..i’ll settle this,…SOMEBODY CALL BELFOUR!..end of discussion..LOL
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
In Association With
Latest Puck Daddy - NHL from Yahoo! Sports
- Trending Topics: Odd arbitration decisions; more NHLers Tweeting
- Ovechkin wins fifth Kharlamov Trophy, talks Talbot
- Puck Headlines: Witt hits waivers; Kovalchuk grievance details set
- Jersey Fouls: Sharks get creatively awful; hockey movie pass/fail
- White, Flames agree to one-year deal; Bruins sign Wheeler
Certain photos copyright © 2010 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
