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After having a day to think about it, and receiving a couple emails from angered Sharks fans, I feel like I need to clarify what I said about last night's game and the Sharks in general.  Don't worry, I'm not going to back down from anything I said.  I just could flesh it out a bit better.

Do I think last night was just a routine win?  No, I don't.  It was the seventh game of an extended trip beating another NHL power in their building for the third straight time.  It is a landmark?  No, it's not that either.  But it's more than a home win over Columbus, and I doubt anyone would disagree with that.  Generally, the losing side always goes to the "It's just one of 82" line, and so it was last night.  Does that win mean the Hawks will win the Cup?  No, of course not, and I didn't say that.  But that's what people think, and they're welcome to that.

Do I think that game means the Sharks won't win?  No, not that game.  But I think that game demonstrates why I and a lot of others don't think they will.  Let's review.  The Sharks were off since Saturday.  That's four days off.  Four days of preparation.  After the 7-2 humbling, you can't tell me the Sharks were looking at this game as just another on the calendar.  Was it Game 7 of the Conference Finals?  No, but it was a big game, and all the Sharks fans said so beforehand.  You would think in a game like this you would come out breathing fire and crapping lightning, and Todd McClellan would turn into a tiny old Philadelphian behind the bench.  You're in your house and trying to prove a point.  If the positions were reversed, do you think the Hawks would come out tentative in the UC?  Unlikely.  But the Sharks did.  And they got quickly rolled over during that time.

However, the Sharks showed what they are capable of.  The entire middle of the game was theirs.  There's no denying that.  But where was this at the start?  Furthermore, once the game was tied, where was it?  Were they just settling for a point in the regular season?  The Tank was rocking, the Hawks were on their heels, isn't that when you go for the kill?  If the Hawks had stormed back from three down at home, would they disappear?  We know the answer to that, we've seen it.  It's a difference between the two. 

More over, last night you saw Patrick Kane take a game by the scruff on the neck.  He set up the first goal, and could easily have had three or four assists and maybe a goal.  Has Joe Thornton ever done that when it mattered?  We know Toews can as well.  That's another.

That said, Joe Pavelski has the mindset.  He's a killer.  No matter what happens this spring, the Sharks should hand the "C" to him next season (and some of my dreams involve the Hawks finding a way to poach him when he's restricted this summer.  Though it's nigh-on impossible).  But can the Sharks get where they want to go when their #2 center is the killer?  Is he good enough?  Is he good enough to get past a team where Toews, Kane, Keith, and Seabrook are going to be slobbering at the mouth every game?  I don't see it.  Tell me if I'm wrong.

-There's a member of this blog, a reader, who embarrassed all of us at the Sharks blog last night.  Kids, we love it when you go over to other blogs and engage those readers.  For the most part, you demonstrate perfectly what we do here.  You're bright, funny, and encourage a back-and-forth . We ask that you continue to do so.  Except for you Red Tribe, you're not really welcome here or anywhere any more.  We're not here to pick fights and act like a moron.

-Oh, I remember the other thing I wanted to mention.  There's been much conversation, and some consternation, about what will happen when Fabulous Weapon returns.  Clearly, there will be a logjam.  I've seen some suggest they'd hate to see Brouwer moved off the line with Daydream Nation.  Remember though, Brouwer was playing well and scoring when he was skating with Iron Madden and getting his power play time, so I wouldn't be heartbroken if he had to move.  Secondly, though Sharp has really changed his game around to center for Hossa, I wouldn't want to see him do that when he goes back to wing.  That leads to Sharp and Hossa not quite syncing up as wingers on the same line, as they really want to do the same things and go to the same spots.  In my mind I'd like to see Sharp return to Kane's wing (where he potted 36 goals not so long ago, mind), and Brouwer slide down to play with Hoss-Bolla.  Troy can provide everything Ladd has on that line with better scoring touch, and Ladd can move back to his checking role with Madden, where they were excellent early in the year.  One of Versteeg and Buff will have to go to the 4th line, and I really don't care which.  Both are clearly far too good for that role, but that's where we find ourselves now. 

-Fifth Feather today mentioned about how Toews drew the Thornton assignment last night, and whether that indicated either Coach Q is trying to conserve Madden's energy for the playoffs, or doesn't think he's up to being the main checking guy.  In my mind, it's neither.  I think Q was just seeing if Toews's line could function in that role.  There will come a time when on the road in the playoffs where Q will not get his matchups, and he needs to know that if Toews and Kane are facing the other team's biggest threat, they can come through.  Consider the first test well passed.  We saw this at the end of the game in Edmonton when it was Campbell and Hammer out there for the last minute.  They might as well get the reps in now, so they're ready when it counts.

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Just when I thought redtribe had become a useful human being...

I agree with pretty much all of this. While this game may not earn the Hawks more than 2 points in the standings, it surely showed that they can rise in tough situations. I’m hoping it also showed them that they can’t lay back in the cut when they jump out to big leads, but instead need to stay hungry. That shit almost became Calgary-esque.

Chicagoan in the Lou.

by Mike Martin on Jan 29, 2010 6:13 PM CST reply actions  

well said Sam

and some more thoughts on redtribe14

"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."

by hackerar on Jan 29, 2010 6:49 PM CST reply actions  

link fail

better

"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."

by hackerar on Jan 29, 2010 6:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Basically I saw an incredibly dominiant hawks team last night. Granted the hawks were outplayed during parts of the game. Unfortunitely for the opposition we are able to literally able to flick a switch and become fucking awesome. Simply put there were points last night that the hawks were able to control the game. Times where it was 5 v 5 and it looked like the hawks were on a powerplay with 5 v 3. The sharks couldnt control the puck. Kane would dance around the zone, make everyone his bitch, then simply pass the puck to an open guy who would take a shot and the cycle would just repeat itself. The sharks did level with the hawks but you would be hard pressed to say those were decent goals, they were more akin to luck. Sorry but thats the bottom line we showed why we are the premeir team in the league. We also showed our achelies heal though which seems, or at least seems lately, to give up fairly good size leads. So shark fans as well as the rest of the nhl think what you may, but the hawks are a fucking force, and pray we beat you so bad we get bored during the game and that god smiles down on you with a lucky bounce or two to get you back in it……. cause otherwise your screwed.

by Section325psychofans on Jan 29, 2010 6:55 PM CST reply actions  

Thank you.

Drives me nuts that people don’t get this. Of course, I’m an anal contraction lovin’ little bitch.

by timmetz on Jan 29, 2010 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m an anal contraction lovin’ little bitch.

If you ever end up in prison, you will get all the protection you’ll need.

by HungryHungryPanda on Jan 29, 2010 11:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, and...

this probably would have worked better: “I’m an anal, contraction lovin’ little bitch.”

by timmetz on Jan 30, 2010 12:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes

That would have done it. Apparently you’re not an anal, comma lovin’ little bitch?

by HungryHungryPanda on Jan 30, 2010 8:29 AM CST up reply actions  

So I'm readin' about hockey and darn it if a grammar blog doesn't break out

…and actually I’m all for it. My pet peeve? The seemingly inexplicable need on some people’s part to make a possesive (or a contraction – I dunno what they’re thinking) out of what shoud be a simple plural, i.e. “I have two cat’s.” OK, rant over. Go Hawk’s!

by EvilClown on Jan 30, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

My pet peeve?

Loose – when used in the context of, “I hope Huet doesn’t loose this game for us again tonight!”

And for the record, I support baby Huey.

"...about six feet from the moose's butt."

by The Fearless Freep on Jan 30, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

this

In times like these...well, you know...there you have it.

by LoneBlackhawkFanInMS on Jan 30, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

From the same page:

I should’ve linked to the source in the original post, but I at least did it later. In any case, here’s the source again.

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by mjthor on Jan 30, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

You’ll find this page useful for links in the future.

I teach a grammar class to juniors in high school, and I just found these the other day. Needless to say, they’re going to become key additions to the curriculum.

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by mjthor on Jan 30, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

"These both use the same rules as 'their' and 'they're.'"

I don’t think that will help most people who mess up the first your and you’re.

by Original Six on Jan 29, 2010 10:46 PM CST up reply actions  

When you put it in context it makes more sense.

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by mjthor on Jan 30, 2010 6:41 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm a grammar nutjob

so THANK YOU a billion times for this. It amazes me how many people use that improperly.

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"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon

by HawkVision on Jan 30, 2010 8:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Irregardless, its a mute point...

I enjoyed this post, especially the baby alien part. Everyone can relate to baby aliens…

"My Father's name is Jack, and my mother's name is Daniels..."

by Byfuglie33 on Jan 30, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Irregardless?

I suspect Thor will be along momentarily to hit you over the head with a dictionary.

That said, baby aliens rock.

by cliffkoroll on Jan 30, 2010 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Damn...

…and “mute”? Either you’re being ironic, or you’re really in for it.

by cliffkoroll on Jan 30, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Please know that I was kidding…

"My Father's name is Jack, and my mother's name is Daniels..."

by Byfuglie33 on Jan 30, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Sharks fans

will read and either “get” what you were going or not. I don’t think you have to explain what you meant to many of us here. I agree 100% with your original post AND subsequent thoughts. If I thought you were capable, I would ask you to clarify what makes a fucking Redtribe click, but alas even you are only human Mr. SamFels.

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by Hungryhawk on Jan 29, 2010 7:09 PM CST reply actions  

Redtribe not only embarrasses Hawks fans, he’s the type of person that make me hope everyday that a meteor hits Earth, wipes us out, and gives some other species a chance.

Another great game in a season full of them. It’s really a shame that Scum have been so hurt this year, we finally have a team that can compete with them on a regular basis like a real rivalry, so beating them feels cheap. I’m loving hating the Nucks and if a real thing develops between us and the Sharks…. that’s almost Hockey Nirvana.

oh, and according to Fear the Fin, Hammer wrecked Vlasic. Another feather in his cap.

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by Johnny Lava on Jan 29, 2010 7:37 PM CST reply actions  

I don’t want that meteor to hit until Daydream Nation are free agents again.

All right, come on, dummy, you won the game. Come on. Pick up your trophy.

by meeshak on Jan 30, 2010 2:33 AM CST up reply actions  

If I recall correctly

RedTribe got into it with McClure earlier in the year in one of the gameday threads. Pretty sure we can guess how that one ended. He’s like that bleacher bums for the Cubs, or the crazy 1st base coach assaulting duo the Sox had to deal with. Just gotta hope the rest of us are able to represent the great Hawks Nation to the extent that the SCH dudes do.

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by AirTrafficAJ on Jan 29, 2010 7:49 PM CST reply actions  

does this mean he's been banned?

Would be nice not to have that sort of meatheadedness around.

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by chiblackhawks on Jan 29, 2010 8:00 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

If him and Nick are gone, I might start coming back for games.

/Note unceasing sarcastic laughter in background.

by burpchelischili on Jan 29, 2010 8:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I know I really can't speak about this

how easy is it to ban a person? (directed to SCH owners)
if enough people select the “Flag” option under actions how long till they are booted?

and thanks to Sportsgal for bringing about a moment of clarity for me. This is the 1st blog that I’ve commented on regulary and I got carried away with the whole at-the-moment-anonymous thing. Thanks for helping me mature as an online entity

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by Johnny Lava on Jan 29, 2010 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Flagging a post really just alerts the people that run the blog.

It’s not a voting system.

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by mjthor on Jan 29, 2010 8:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I can ban anyone at any time for any reason… absolute power is fucking awesome.

by Matthew Dirt on Jan 30, 2010 4:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Trade Huey!

Just tryin’ to get a sense of your hot buttons.

by cliffkoroll on Jan 30, 2010 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

How many pluses

Does your banhammer have?

wait what?

by pepe126 on Jan 30, 2010 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

The mods can...

grant selected users the power to “hide” posts on that blog so a mod can review them later. Sort of one step beyond flagging. A couple of us were given that access on another SBN blog by the head honcho (who’s a season ticket holder to that team) when the gameday threads started getting polluted. Not to edit or censor the threads on a regular basis, but to eliminate from view the sort of douchery that RedTribe was spewing while those who ordinarily moderate things are at the game.

by bison on Jan 30, 2010 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

don't worry

Nick only posts when everybody else is gone.

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by chiblackhawks on Jan 29, 2010 10:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

mmmm

I love me a good bannin’.

by gmh on Jan 29, 2010 8:52 PM CST reply actions  

BAAAANNNNNIIIINNNNNNMMMMAAAANNNN!!!!!!
sorry couldn’t resist

by Bargeman68 on Jan 30, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Fuck Redtribe, I will "try" to not mention anymore of that felcher again.

I still do think last nights game was bigger than most present. It was absolutley a statement game for SJS, the West and NHL. On game 7 of an 8 game trip, against the point leader who had 4 days off, they won, and did not play a good 60 mins of hockey a good 25-30 yes, 60 no!

It is still 1 of 82, but nobody can take them for granted, which I really do think plays into the Hawks hands with the speed and endurance they have.

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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 29, 2010 9:15 PM CST reply actions  

I'll voice some dissent

First off, I’m not thinking very clearly tonight, so please try to understand what I’m saying, or feel free to ask for clarification. Calling me names is still acceptable.

We’ve seen the Hawks come out looking hung over a few times. Luckily, they’ve been able to make up for it by playing a killer period or two, but I honestly believe they’ve played very few full out 60 minute games. So basically my problem with what Sam said is only this. That sure, the Sharks should have come out with guns blazing, but we’ve done the same thing, fortunately wtih better results. In the big games. We still tend to suck at the non-big games more often than we should.

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by Trixietrx on Jan 29, 2010 9:49 PM CST reply actions  

It's all good though

No one’s on their game all the time, and all things considered, I seriously doubt that the Hawks live any more dangerously than anyone else.

by Brian C on Jan 29, 2010 10:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point

It’s been mentioned so many times here that the Hawks seem to play down to the opponents’ level at times. That’s kind of why people have taken to labelling every single game as either one to “circle on the calendar” or a “trap game.” Nothing in between. Honestly I think it’s a good thing they aren’t giving the same level of effort every game and you just hope that they step up for the big ones.

That said there are the occasional times when we wish they could put things together faster, like the last Vancouver game, but I don’t think we can really expect perfection.

by VerStig on Jan 29, 2010 11:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I've been wondering most of this season

what was it like watching Detroit the last couple of years? Were there stinker periods, a couple stinker games, or was it just great hockey game after great hockey game?

Since I only lived in the broadcast zone last season, and the Scum played great hockey against us all of last year (those last two games excepted), I really have no idea. But answering this question would go a long way to answering my questions on how I should feel about this road trip.

All right, come on, dummy, you won the game. Come on. Pick up your trophy.

by meeshak on Jan 30, 2010 2:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm gonna disagree with Trixie et al here...

I leave the UC or turn off the TV virtualy every game feeling like the Hawks gave an honest effort.

We don’t have to go back too far to the days when this wasn’t the case.

I think you guys are setting an unrealistically high bar. No team can sustain a top level of performance throughout an 82 game season. Had the Hawks met your expectations in terms of no let downs, they’d probably be undefeated.

As it is, look at their record. Is there another team we can point to that delivers what you guys are looking for?

by cliffkoroll on Jan 30, 2010 10:31 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Trixie has a fair point

but Cliff’s is spot on. When reading most game wrap threads I end up thinking something along the same lines of what he just wrote only his is better. Strongly rec’d.

by Scott13 on Jan 30, 2010 10:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Couldn't you just have called me a douche?

I don’t think we’re in that much of a disagreement, as the only point I was really trying to make is that while the Sharks should have come out looking better, it’s not like we’ve been known to come out great 100% of the time in the 1st period.

Do I think the Hawks give an “honest” effort. Sure, almost every game, but not every single game. And I don’t mind that (well, I do from a viewer standpoint, but hey, shit happens, I have off days myself).

I don’t think anyone’s looking for perfection right now, that comes later, and even then an off game here or there isn’t gonna kill us.

I just wanted to disagree with Sam and stop being such a suck up. And that was all I had. :)

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by Trixietrx on Jan 30, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

You’re such a douche.

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 30, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I 2nd that

Douche

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by laaarmer on Jan 30, 2010 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you

my work here is done.

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by Trixietrx on Jan 30, 2010 6:18 PM CST up reply actions  

why’d you respond to my comment with this?

All right, come on, dummy, you won the game. Come on. Pick up your trophy.

by meeshak on Jan 31, 2010 1:19 AM CST up reply actions  

reply fail (not epic though)

shouldn’t have lumped you in w/ VerStig and Brian C as part of the douchenozzle-Trixie-cabal (with all due respect guys.) My bad.

by cliffkoroll on Jan 31, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Hate to say it

But I think both these teams lack that instinct to just keep pummeling an already battered team until they have squeezed the fight out of them. After watching the Sharks absolutely take control of the game, I was baffled at their fade seemingly the minute they scored that last goal. Instead of playing to win, they looked like they were playing to not lose in regulation. That’s not a good omen for a team as good as the Sharks are.

As for the Hawks, Trixies comment popped up while I was typing this and I have so say I agree. While just playing 40-50 minutes a night, the Hawks have laid waste to some really good teams only to turn around and then get schooled by a far weaker team. Both the Hawks and the Sharks right now are exactly where everyone expected them to be and that probably isn’t going to change by playoff time and last night’s game did not guarantee who will represent the West. What it did show was that the Hawks wanted it more than SJ and delivered. Bad for both teams I think is the fact that each one had a chance to use it’s momentum to score that one or two extra goals needed to put it out of reach of the other. On that level, both failed and think both have something to learn from this.

by NKLHD on Jan 29, 2010 10:10 PM CST reply actions  

Momentum

I’m not directing this so much at you personally, but since you brought it up … I think momentum is a commonly misunderstood concept.

Assigning momentum to this team or that is a way to describe WHAT has happened, not WHY it has happened. If a team scores two goals in a short amount of time, we say that team has momentum because they scored two goals. Momentum is not a magic force that caused them to get those two goals; it’s a result of them getting those two goals.

Accordingly, a team only has momentum for as long as good things are happening to them. Last night, the Hawks had three goals before San Jose even had their skates laced up. It’s fair to say that they had momentum for the first ten minutes of the game. But, obviously, they didn’t start the game with momentum; they acquired it by scoring three goals. A game naturally ebbs and flows. Even bad teams look good for stretches of almost every game.

Indeed, it’s fair to say that “momentum” as an analytical tool is basically a giant crock of shit (ATTENTION LAZY BROADCASTERS – THIS IS IMPORTANT). It’s merely a way for people to sound analytical without having to actually make a point that any viewer with functioning retinas can already see for themselves. Any idiot can point out that a team that’s doing well “has momentum,” but it doesn’t actually mean anything. A team isn’t going to play well over the next five minutes just because they’ve played well over the last five minutes, and as we saw last night, a team isn’t necessarily going to get a fourth goal just because they got the first three.

So, like I said, I don’t mean to unload on you personally. It’s just a pet peeve of mine, and I’ve been wanting to get it off my chest for awhile. Thanks for indulging me on it.

by Brian C on Jan 29, 2010 10:55 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yes and no.

It is an overly used, and abused term. But there are often patterns to how shifts play out. The Sharks had the momentum throughout almost all of the second period. The hawks were forced to take a few long shifts because of the inability to clear the zone and dump the puck in the other end. San Jose, realizing this, seemed to skate with an extra jump, knowing they had forced the hawks on their heels for a few consecutive shifts.

After 7 or 8 of these, they finally scored.

It wasn’t until the [could be remembering wrong, it was late and I’ve had a long week] Toews line had that great shift in the third following the 3-3 game, that the hawks were able to jump onto the ice knowing they were on the attack, and not quickly hustling back into their own zone to chase the puck around.

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by chrome on Jan 30, 2010 12:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Whether it's cause or effect

the Hawks seemed to take control of the momentum after the Sharks 3rd goal. Tazer’s line held the puck in the zone for a full 1:20—and switched a new line in during the shift! After that, the Hawks did it again and again (though not as long) with 2 other lines. Clearly, they had momentum at that point. Or maybe a better term is confidence. Because the Sharks certainly didn’t have any—they were playing scared. Whatever it’s called, the Hawks had control. And it was a beautiful thing to watch.

by Preacher000 on Jan 30, 2010 12:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Sorry

To have put the peanut butter back in the cabinet with the label facing the wrong way. Good thing you now don’t have to carry around the angst of knowing that somewhere on the internets is a poorly defined example of the word momentum that encourages people to believe in magic.

by NKLHD on Jan 30, 2010 6:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, like I said (twice!) ...

I wasn’t so much aiming that at you personally. If you’re still going to take it personally anyway, I suppose I can’t stop you. But you can’t say that I didn’t try…

by Brian C on Jan 30, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Mo

is a manifestation of the ebb and flow of CONFIDENCE in the team – and also the bounce of the puck going one way or another. Example? Let’s go back to the Edmonton game – the first goal scored by the Oil was set up about a 30 seconds earlier when the Hawks seemingly could not get the puck out of their own zone, and the puck kept bouncing away from the Hawk defenders. I think most of us could literally smell that goal coming from a mile away. The momentum, even in that brief moment, had changed. Edmonton’s players seemed to swarm around the puck because I’m sure they could sense that a big scoring chance was a-brewin’.

I think the momentum that we generally speak of is on a broader scale, but it starts with moments like above. Those seemingly isolated incidents can, at least for a short while, increase the confidence of a team and thus produce a tangible and noticeable increase in performance.

Feel free to boo the professor.

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by The Fearless Freep on Jan 30, 2010 10:34 AM CST up reply actions  

This is exactly what I was talking about

As far as I can tell here, you’re really using the term “momentum” to describe WHAT happened – the Hawks were unable to get the puck out of the zone, and Edmonton scored – instead of WHY it happened. Edmonton had momentum because they were able to keep the puck in the Hawks zone, not the other way around. By your own example, keeping the pressure up in the offensive zone came first. But WHY did that happen? It wasn’t because they had momentum – they didn’t gain the momentum until it already happened!

Besides which, moments like the one you describe above happen all the time. And most of the time, nothing comes of them at all. It’s just that the times when something does come of it are the times we tend to remember.

by Brian C on Jan 30, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh, OK

Please allow me to take ‘yes’ as an answer, then.

by Brian C on Jan 30, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

there?

did you not read the third thread from the top?

All right, come on, dummy, you won the game. Come on. Pick up your trophy.

by meeshak on Jan 31, 2010 1:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Sometimes...

…ignorance is bliss. I’m too new here to know who the donk is that got himself run from this site, and can’t see a purpose in going to the Fin to read the idiocy that was written there. If the brass here says it’s a punishable offense, that’s good enough for me.

As far as what this game proved? Nothing we didn’t already know – when the Hawks play well, they can beat anyone, and when they don’t they can lose to anyone. Trix makes a good point that encourages me for the playoff run – the Hawks usually come out firing in big games, it’s the not-so-big ones that seem to be the problem. I think we all know which category playoff games land in.

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by TenMinuteMisconduct on Jan 29, 2010 10:21 PM CST reply actions  

Lines

As someone who did express panic consternation over the lines after Weapon’s return, now that I think of it, I believe some of the inside info 300LevelBleacherBum told us in that one FanPost agrees with your assessment. I think it was Sharpie moving up with VERSTEEG! displacing Ladd on the second line.

Doesn’t mean Q won’t get all creative on us again with his musical lines but if they’re already working on things in practice they might look pretty good by the time they roll them out later in the week.

by VerStig on Jan 29, 2010 10:57 PM CST reply actions  

Oh, and thank you for getting rid of that

jagnozzle.

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Smoking, and drinking, and kicking it.

by chrome on Jan 30, 2010 12:26 AM CST reply actions  

Not to be a teacher's pet...

but you absolutely nailed it AGAIN, Sam. I’m impressed with the hockey IQ our hosts display more and more.

I’m betting Q will play with the lines a LOT when Weapon returns. And then again when Burish comes back. I expect we’ll see some healthy scratches (to rest some guys or simply go with the hot hand), and maybe bid farewell to 1 or 2 guys at the trade deadline. I’m also interested to see how special teams will be affected. Burish killed penalties, but I forget how much Bolland was used on the PP or PK.

Whatever the combos, I’m not terribly worried. Last night’s game gave me a lot of confidence in the mental strength of this team. (Not that there was a big concern about it, but it would have been SO easy to lay an egg on game 7 of a roadtrip.) Though it goes against all my Chicago sportsfan upbringing, I’ve got no worries about our boys.

by Preacher000 on Jan 30, 2010 12:35 AM CST reply actions  

With the return of Mr Bolland...

This is the type of problem I like having. We are stuck with which fucking awesome combination of lines should we roll out with? Any way you set them up, we know that each one can be very effective. Like preacher just said above me, we will see scratches and a trade or two. I really don’t have a preference as to where Brouwer plays, he has shown that he will put in a solid effort no matter which line hes on.

As for the cum-dumpster that is RedTribe… That stuff doesn’t really make me feel angry, it just makes me sigh, because it’s one of two sad things (or a bit of both). Either he really believes that verbal diarrhea, or he is hiding behind internet anonymity and acting like a typical troll.

by Delta0ne1 on Jan 30, 2010 9:00 AM CST reply actions  

From what we've seen in the past.

He actually believes the verbal diarrhea. I remember the shit storm when he joined and go into it with just about everyone including McClure and Dirt. He’s been fairly quite since then.

by XxMJ20xX on Jan 30, 2010 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Ex-Sharks fan here.

Just for the record, I am a former fan of the Sharks that still likes what Doug Wilson has done for that franchise. I was more of a fan during the Owen Nolan years. I liked their underdog mentality at that time, which seems all but gone these days. Hate to hear that one of the Loyal Indians had to embarass us on the Shark site… I will find out who. Just wanted to let Sam know it wasn’t me that did it. GO HAWKS! Beat the Canes!

Victim was found murdered by a Chelsea Dagger.

by pucknut on Jan 30, 2010 10:04 AM CST reply actions  

On the Sharks

I’m not sophisticated enough to really have a good sense of a team after seeing them for only a few games, except for the Blues (bitch-ass) and the Nucks (bitch-ass, whiny), but I get a sense that for all their talent they just don’t have enough between the ears. Also, I thought I read somewhere that after the Sharks tied it, the SOG for the rest of the game was 11-0 Hawks, but I can’t find that source. However, we’re applying a lot of analysis here that goes right out the window if one lucky bounce goes their way at any point before Brouwer cemented his spot in the HOF and kicked off the parade down LaSalle street.

They get a lot of criticism for being a one line team, but it was their second line that kicked holy hell out of us. “Thorton skates in over the line” was kind of ho-hum, but “Pavelski moves up the right side” was frightening. They’ll be a different team come playoff time, as will we.

I’m not wild about moving Brouwer off the top line in favor of Sharp. I like having a grinder with a big body on that line. I get all the pros and cons, it’s just my personal preference.

by Scott13 on Jan 30, 2010 10:50 AM CST reply actions  

Thank you for YOUR fine use of grammar

In times like these...well, you know...there you have it.

by LoneBlackhawkFanInMS on Jan 30, 2010 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

"have a good sense of a team"

An interesting topic. In the playoffs last year, the Flames basically said, “We tried to beat them up and they beat us. Give them credit.” That’s honesty. The Canucks said, “We lost 4-2 but we’re still the better team.” That’s arrogance.

The Sharks seem to be more of an honest team, knowing that they have to win in the playoffs to talk any smack at all. I think the Scum are arrogant, but they’ve “earned” it with their dominance for the last 20 years (or whatever it’s been). (They may not be arrogant—but they’re Scum after all, so my view of them is totally biased.)

But what about the Hawks? I don’t hear any arrogance out of them. They still defer to the Wings (at least in interviews). I would think their attitude is not irritating to fans of other teams. They’re good at respecting their opponents out there.

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by Preacher000 on Jan 30, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Over on the fin...

I thought there was grudging acceptance of the points you made by most of the sensible posters.

by cliffkoroll on Jan 30, 2010 11:00 AM CST reply actions  

Alright Blackhawks

put on you’re gamefaces. Your in a position to dominate on this road trip. You’re fanbase hear is pulling for you.

Read "The Code"

by Committednativeamerican on Jan 30, 2010 12:11 PM CST reply actions  

That was intentional, right?

"All very successful commanders are prima donnas and must be so treated." George S. Patton

by Hawkswordofdeath on Jan 30, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

No worries. Just put Huey between the pipes...

and theirs (or is it they’res?) no way we can loose!

by EvilClown on Jan 30, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Madden and Lines

Madden seems to be a bit off lately.

I gotta believe this has something to do with having two talented knuckleheads (Buff and Versteeg) out there with him. This is not a checking line.

Seems to me the Hawks can either focus on the top two lines and give Madden whomever is left over, or they can build a true checking line (meaning at least Ladd with Madden.)

I start with Daydream + Brouwer. I thought this made sense a week ago, so I’d be crazy to abandon it now.

I also agree that Sharp and Hossa should not be on the same line, and Sharp doesn’t belong on a checking line.

Botom line: unless you move Sharp back with Daydream, I don’t see where he goes other than 4th line center plus special teams.

by cliffkoroll on Jan 30, 2010 3:35 PM CST reply actions  

How about

Sharp – Toews – Kane
Brouwer – Bolland – Hossa
Ladd – Madden – Versteeg
Eager – Fraser – Byfuglien

Versteeg and Ladd were real good together on a line last year with JHC. And it looks like Burish is going to be the odd-man out, which is too bad because I like what he brings to the team. I just don’t see where there’s room for him without a trade happening.

by HawksFTW on Feb 1, 2010 1:05 PM CST reply actions  

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