One Step To Slip - Avs 4, Hawks 3 (OT)
by McClure on Oct 8, 2010 8:23 AM CDT
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Wait, we've got to do that another 81 times?
Well shit.
I know it's early and I'm still bleary-eyed myself, but I'm pretty sure I saw the sun come out this morning. But I don't know shit about shit, so I could be totally off base.
In any event, there was a fair amount to both like and dislike from last night's tilt in Colorado. Things started out well enough, with the Hawks maintaining a fairly solid edge in the possession game, and drew an early power play which Bryan Bickell (really?) converted on from inside the right circle on a gorgeous pass from Marian Hossa. After a couple other less-then productive power-plays as a result of what can best be described as Colorado's overzealousness, the Avs began to force the play back into the Hawks' zone, and Marty Turco was forced to make some high-wire saves early, and he proved up to the challenge. The Nick Leddy experience began as we thought it would, with him getting beaten to the outside at his own blue line with a simple chip and chase by Chris Stewart, leaving Hammer out to dry. The result was a puck in the back of the net. The Avs ended up outshooting the Hawks in the first 15-11.
As the game moved into the second, the pace slowed a little bit, but there certainly was not a lack of chances at either end. Perennial slow-started Jonathan Toews hit the right post on Craig Anderson on a nifty setup from Patrick Kane, but Anderson quickly smothered any second chance. The fourth line of Viktor Stalberg, Jake Dowell, and Jack Skille also created a solid chance when Stalberg walked out from below the goal line for a stuff attempt, and Dowell attempted to move across the goal mouth on Anderson, but Anderson was up to the challenge on both bids. After a failed Hawks power play, Matt Duchene redirected an Adam Foote shot that he had just tossed into traffic, and the Avs took the lead. They would extend it on a similar play, this time on the advantage, where a shot hit a leg in traffic somewhere in front of Marty Turco, and everyone except the oddly-complected Paul Stastny seemingly lost track of it, and Stastny slid it past Turco for a 3-1 Avs lead. With a buck and a half left in the second, the Hawks drew within one when Craig Anderson was caught in no man's land slightly out of his net as Patrick Sharp cutoff a clearing attempt at the right hash marks along the wall, and threw it at a gaping net, where Marian Hossa was waiting to tip it home.
While the third period was even in shots at 14 a side, it at least felt to be more in the Hawks' favor, and the Hawks drew even on Patrick Sharp's power play goal, a shot coming off a rebound through a Tomas Kopecky screen. Though there were some chances traded once the game had been tied, the game ended up going to over time. With both Leddy and Hjalmarsson cheating below the goal line covering Duchene, he slid the puck to the right circle to find Stastny, who snapped a shot that hit Turco's elbow and dribbled in over a sprawling Leddy and Hjalmarsson. Hawks lose 4-3 in OT, but take a point on the road in a game in which they trailed by two.
Observations
- Nick Leddy was every bit the fire drill we expected him to be, getting beaten badly on the bookend goals for Colorado. If Q isn't going to use him on the power play (more on that in a minute), his risk/reward might not be worth it to keep him here, unless he figures shit out real quick. It's possible he could have a much stronger game on Saturday and past that, but I'd be surprised.
- That being said, it's worth a shot to give Leddy some time on the advantage, because this forward-at-the-point bullshit needs to stop. With Sharp manning a point on the first unit and Hossa on the second, there were a bevy of chances headed back the other way. Too many times on the 7 opportunities the Hawks had did things deteriorate into a true umbrella rather than the overload/umbrella hybrid we've seen work in the past, resulting in pucks being fired directly into Avalanche shin guards when they should have been slid to the man on the half wall, or at the very least wrung around deep. Two for 7 isn't bad, but it could have been better.
- Despite the 4 goals, Marty Turco was fine, and bailed the Hawks' asses out more than a couple times in the first period. He's going to give me an aneurysm, but he apparently knows what he's doing.
- The fourth line of Dowell, Skille, and Stalberg actually looked decent out there, particularly in the chance I mentioned above, and also on a rush in the first where Stalberg and Skille both broke hard to the net. They'll move their way into the top 6 or 9 before too long
- Fernando Pisani was pretty ineffective at even strength, despite the fact he had Patrick Sharp dragging his ass up and down the ice most of the night. The way Sharp was skating, it's not surprising his two points came when other people were on the ice with him.
- There is no one on the Hawks who is currently on the plus side of the +/- ledger. Oof oof eef.
- Marian Hossa: Grown Ass Man.
- Duncan Keith's decision making last night during breakouts and neutral-ice regroups was reminiscent of when he came back from being knocked loopy by Drew Stafford. I don't think I need to tell anyone how important it is that he cut that shit right out.
- While it's probably a bullshit excuse, the Hawks can probably be cited for looking ahead a little bit to tomorrow night's home opener/banner raising at the UC. It's a pretty big event, complete with the John McDonough red carpet entrance that is now finally appropriate, and the Hawks are the first defending champs to open on the road in fuck knows how long. I'm willing to bet we'll see a more efficient performance Saturday. It'll have to be with Scum in the building.
- Thanks once again to Steve, Mike and everyone at the Bottom Lounge for their hospitality. We're looking forward to hanging with them, and you (YES, YOU) on Saturday after the game.
While both Sharp and Hossa had two points and were far and away the best players for the Hawks last evening, the title goes to Sharp, who factored into both the second and third goals - notching the third himself halfway through the third period to force OT.
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This game was Jeykll/Hyde like
Sharp look possesse. Hossa is one of the best two way forwards out there(twss?), Tazer too.
Leddy already scares me out there, especially the fact when Seabs was in the box and they had to pick their poison between using John Scott or the Wonderkid on the PK.
I love Rat but was it me or did he seem to be skating extremely slow last night?
When in Rome we shall do as the Romans, when in Hell we do shots at the bar.
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Oct 8, 2010 8:41 AM CDT reply actions
Skating slow
I felt there was more than one skater with mollasses on their wheels last night.
Keith, Seabs, Hammer, Pisani
I’ve never seen Hammer and Seabs get split like that before.
The worst part about that split was Hjammer had the guy. Seabs made a big mistake there.
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Half the time I felt like it was a full roster
Preseason game, especially on the Hjammer/Seabs breakdown. I am sure that won’t happen Saturday. At least I hope not.
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by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Oct 8, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
but it just seemed like Rat stuck out more when he tried to take off with the puck. Frightens me a bit.
When in Rome we shall do as the Romans, when in Hell we do shots at the bar.
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Oct 8, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Twas a gooden.
I just hope he’s okay.
When in Rome we shall do as the Romans, when in Hell we do shots at the bar.
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Oct 8, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I noticed that about Bollie too.
It seemed like his left knee kept giving out on him as he would always end up on one knee skating.
Niemi was good, but Turco has a force field...
by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Oct 8, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
It was awkward.
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by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Oct 11, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I’ll keep repeating myself if I have to. Leddy was fine. Big mistakes, but you can see that the talent level is there.
I would have been really quick to jump the trigger last year, have the kid sent down right away but this year seems different. I’m not going to be on pins and needles game in and game out. The regular season will give Q to test things out and I think Leddy will be with us for enough time for Q to watch, work with directly and then have him develop certain parts of his game in Rockford.
If Leddy doesn’t play another game with us for the remainder of the year, at least he understand how quick the NHL game is and he knows he has a lot to improve on.
I was very impressed with his patience and decision-making with the puck on stick. Defending in space and getting back in transition were his weak points, but I thought I saw a lot more good than bad out of the kid. Take away his mistake trying to kick to the stick that resulted in the Stewart goal, and his night was pretty solid.
With a game under his belt to ease the nerves, hopefully he can take the next step.
yeah, not bad for a 19 year old kid
but I’m sure the magnificent Drew Doughty never had a bad game.
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by Johnny Lava on Oct 8, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He showed why young D usually season in the AHL for a bit
He clearly has a lot of upside potential, but has a fair bit of growing to do.
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
I'll take it for a month
till Soupy gets back. Good experience for the kid, and I gotta believe that the AHL game will seem slower to him because of it. This can only help him develope
Not all those who wander are lost.
my Captain is better than your Captain
it was a good picture of what he needs to get himself ready for
while gaining that experience and playing those minutes down in the AHL – it is part of the development process for young players
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
Overall thoughts
Leddy- Agree with you there. He was bound to have a game like this. I know he will get better with a game under his belt. Could be nerves, excitement, who knows.
This foward at the point shit has GOT to stop. Too many odd man rushes were given up. I know Q trys w/ Sharp and Bolland, but it doesn’t work. I hope Leddy can figure it out soon so he can be there till Campbell is back.
Turco Bailed out the Hawks a few times, but will give me a heart attack by seasons end.
4th line was impressive enough said
The whole D was sloppy last night and I expect them to tighten up to play against the Scum
1 game at least we got a point and there are areas to improve on which I have full confidence that they will. Can’t wait till Sat
Oh and
Whose that fucking Hossa guy that no one can take the puck from. Damn I’m glad he’s wearing an indian head
“He was bound to have a game like this”
Well he did it the very first game. Its not like he played 10 solid games then shit his pants. He shit is pants almost immediatly. He got better as the game went on but the first Avs goal simply cannot happen. We had pressure in their zone and BAM!
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10 games or not
I still think that he was going to have a rough outing in the first game or the 12th game. He’s a young kid who just needs some time. He wasn’t terrible and I do think he will learn and get better for the next one. Agree with you that he got a little better as it went on.
The puck was bouncing a lot last time and when he tried to keep it in it went right over his skate, at least what I saw
exactly
he’s a 19 year old defenseman. He was a great candidate to make some huge mistakes in his first ever game. Overall, he was actually more developed than I had expected.
Also, we all know the kid isn’t going to stay with the big club for long. I think we need to take this kids development in stride.
we should have expected some of the roughest stuff right away (nerves and newness and all)
but young D are going to be very inconsistent for a while – just the way it is.
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
Agree with all your points
I also thought that there were too many one shot and done rushes on the power plays. Maybe that is a result of the whole forward at the point thing, or just still getting accustomed to the power play units, but it would have been nice to see a little more sustained pressure on the power plays.
The 4th line looked good to me too. I actually found myself wanting to see them on the ice more. Skille and Stalberg on the same line looked very fast and caused a lot of problems for the Avs D.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
A point on the road is a point on the road....
And I’ll take that any time. 99 points to another playoff appearance.
From watch I watched, it wasn’t pretty at all but we all can thank Gary Bettman and the league schedulers for that (I wonder if Pittsburgh would have to start their defence on the road?). Many players stood out for the good – Sharp, Bickell, Toews, and Hossa. And some stood out in the bad – Leddy, Seabrook, Pisani, and Skille.
What’s with VS. and the horrible analysis?
Aaron Ward suggesting the ‘Hawks have lost thier "swagga’" due to this loss? I just wanted to Scott Walker him right then and there.
Capitals (I don’t know shit about hockey) announcer on the Hossa goal “Hossa FINALLY scores this season”. Really? So good he got off the schnide, because what took him so long? All it did was provide some laughs.
The ‘Hawks seemed about as interested in playing their game last night as having to take their gf’s to see the new Katherine Heigel movie. Saturday Night is where it’s at and we’ll see the REAL ’Hawks right then and there.
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It's been a long journey but in the end it was all worth it, and I wouldn't have ever changed a thing. The feeling is so surreal, yet so real.
Well, Hoosa didn't score until Thanksgiving last year ...
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
agreed
down 3-1 in the 3rd- i’ll take a point.
The Avs played great, reminiscent off the Hawks own style. The way we were terrorized on our own PP- wow.
If anybody has a game from 2005 on tape, a side by side comparison would show how much better the hockey is now, regardless of outcome.
On Leddy’s fuck uo, Hammer wasn’t able to defend the shot or pass (he fell down) leaving Marty to do the splits.
Both goalies also played pretty damn well- maybe it’s just the Avs, but this could be a portent of 7-5 affairs to come.
We like our people.
"If anybody has a game from 2005 on tape, a side by side comparison would show how much better the hockey is now, regardless of outcome."
I agree, I also think this has to do with the Western Conference. I watched the 3rd period of the Pens/Phylers and the Tempo couldn’t come close to what the Hawks and Avs had. Or again is this just me?
Power Play
I don’t see why we cant spread the talent around. Sharp on the point was horrific and frankly Id like to see Hossa have someone to play with out there on the second unit.
The Hawk powerplay made the Avs penalty kill look like the 2010 Blackhawks out there. I distinctly remember the Avs having about 5 or 6 legit scoring chances shorthanded.
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PP
Some good, lots not good. As previously mentioned, Sharp AND that Horsa guy did not look good on the point. Q, that shit has to stop. Aside from the PP, those two had a great night, obviously.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal. (1971 loss to Habs)
Pisani and Morin?
If Pisani continues to be ineffective, how much longer will it be before we see Morin back up here with the “big club”? I’m sure Sharp and Kane would be pleased after carrying Pisani last night.
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Now!!
Or give Staberg a little shock treatment and send him down
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by ccm on Oct 8, 2010 9:02 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m a bit torn on sending down Stalberg for shock treatment. The kid seems to already be made of glass…
uh, I thought Stalberg
had one of the better nights among Hawk forwards…
The Hawks can’t afford to have Morin up here anyway.
you just commented below
that you thought the 4th line looked impressive – you do realize Stalberg was on that line?
skille and Dowell...
I noticed much more.
If the forward who played the fewest minutes is one of our best on the night, we have issues.
yeah, the issue is
he’s not getting enough time. I think you should rewatch the game, Stalberg had a good night in the limited time he had.
His percieved lack of toughness
That might be the problem. If he’s ducking from opponents, which he did on at least one occasion, that might be an issue.
But I’m all for giving him all the time he needs at this point in the season. See what he does on the top 2 lines, in fact.
Why exactly do we want him to NOT avoid checks?
I don’t remember the play you’re referring to, but to me, avoiding checks means you’re less likely to get hurt. As long as he’s not giving up the puck, isn’t that a good thing?
nope, Kane does the same thing
and he sux.
abhkladfnlgukh…. ok, I promise Snarky Lava is done for the day.
It’s 1 game people
Not all those who wander are lost.
my Captain is better than your Captain
Campbell does too, or at least
I’ve heard people bitch about it. I always thought it was the trait of a speedy player.
there's a difference between avoiding checks and playing like you have eggs in your pockets
I haven’t yet noticed Stahlberg playing scared out there – and he may never be a physical as his size might lead you to want.
We’ll have to take his personality/style somewhat as it is and see if he fits with our needs. I’d love to see him play with the terrier like abaondon of a Versteeg, but I understand that it isn’t likely to happen – and he may be valuable anyway
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
I could have sworn
I saw one bad play due to him shrinking back from getting checked. Not saying he played poorly, just something I really thought I saw happen and worried about.
The sun never sets on a badass
you've convinced me
he’s a bust, trade him now. And Leddy. The season is spiralling out of control. We haven’t even locked up a playoff spot yet
Not all those who wander are lost.
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by Johnny Lava on Oct 8, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
a bit over dramatic, are you?
who said he was a bust? It thought it was a simple question, did the guy play much past the 1st? Because I don’t remember seeing much of him past the 1st intermission.
I remember wondering
why Stalberg wasn’t on the ice more last night. I thought he was very noticeable (for the good) when he was one the ice. He fought hard and created that one very good chance all by himself.
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Yeah i agree
with you,donno what the fourth line is goin to end up lookin like,but if it stays like this it’ll be a pretty good fourth line
by Special Agent Dale Cooper on Oct 8, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Hard to miss a guy that's 6' 4"
Hope he doesn’t live up to his prior rep of playing much smaller than his size would indicate. But then again, Crosby’s not much of a physical player in that regard, so…
Staley's two cents
- Skille carried over his pre-season momentum. Looks fast and plays with an edge. He looked to be playing Andrew Ladd’s game with more speed
- Leddy was very impressive IMO. Great patience with the puck that led to great decision-making. Weaknesses are very correctable and can be chalked upto adjustment to NHL game speed/NHL calibre players which he hadn’t seen yet.
- Stalberg doesn’t look like lightning on skates. Galliardi on Colorado is as fast as Stalberg was described to be.
- The defensemen were very slow getting back in transition and it created opportunities and advantages for the Avs. No worries, though.
- It was cool having a 4th line with actual discernable offensive skill and speed.
- Turco was pretty awesome. His comfort and calmness while gloving pucks is the complete antithesis of Niemi’s seizure & flail waffle board, glove, and helmet approach.
- All night long, the point players had a tough time shooting past the defender in front of them. Chalk it up to rustiness.
Agreed on the last point. I think Seabrook probably had about 5 shots blocked. Credit to the Avs for laying it on the line.
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I commented on this last night
Seabs couldn’t get a shot through (and on net) to save his life, he killed a couple of solid possessions.
Ditto for Badgerdano
It was almost as though he was aiming for their legs.
It seemed like the point guys were generally all forcing shots all night.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal. (1971 loss to Habs)
They'd better get used to that kind of effort every game
They’re the kings, they’ve got to expect those kinds of sell – out performances every game this season. There will be no patsies, no matter the opponent’s record at the time.
Niemi’s seizure & flail waffle board, glove, and helmet approach
A+
-Matt Cooke is a turd burglar. He burgles ALL the turds.-
-At least he's not Cam Janssen. What a bag of dicks that guy is.-
Giving up 41 shots better end fast
Where’s Catfish when you need him.
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by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Oct 8, 2010 9:06 AM CDT reply actions
St Nick
of Boynton will be in on Saturday. Scott is too tall to effectively block shots
Not all those who wander are lost.
my Captain is better than your Captain
and skates like he has a load in his pants
-Matt Cooke is a turd burglar. He burgles ALL the turds.-
-At least he's not Cam Janssen. What a bag of dicks that guy is.-
I don't get why he is playing
over Hendry.
When in Rome we shall do as the Romans, when in Hell we do shots at the bar.
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Oct 11, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Big John Scott
Needs to work on his shot. Twice during the 1st period he was at the point and sent softies towards Anderson.
Scott – you have time, guys are afraid of you. Wind it up!
Maybe it's because he is so tall
but Scott looked a little awkward last night when forced to skate straight for an extended stretch to retrieve pucks, etc. His strides looked too short and as a result he looked like he was going really slowly.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
big guys often look slower than they are
and Scott seems a little slow in reality – so the look is even worse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
watching him trying to block a shot
Is also a challenge. Being that big, I dont know how he actually can get down to the ice level in enough time
He looked like the kid that played for Michigan Tech against Wisconsin.
Not impressive. He is a big dude though.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal. (1971 loss to Habs)
disagree here
At least scott got the puck on net a couple of times, which can’t be said for Seabs, who ‘wound it up’ ineffectively quite often.
I’m ok with the wrister from the blueline. There are times when the slapshot is necessary, like on a powerplay one timer, but at even strength, just get the puck to the net.
Ditto for Badgerdano
Agree
I’m okay with the wrister, especially from Scott. A big guy like that takes a loooong time to wind up on the slap shot and he wouldn’t have time to recover and get back on d if his slapper was blocked. Therefore, he’s playing within his capabilities and that’s just smart hockey to me.
Besides, I was giggling like a schoolgirl when he took those 3 shots in a row from the point in the 1st period.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Oct 8, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Same here.
Except for the giggling like a schoolgirl part.
(Wrist shot from the point was always my money shot. )
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal. (1971 loss to Habs)
This game
Kinda felt like game 3 (I think it was) of the finals. Guys over-playing, guys out of position, passes not connecting, bad giveaways and just a disconnected vibe. If they had won, it would have been an outright theft of the game. This will improve with more time together on the ice.
There is no doubt that teams will be really gunning to beat them. Props to the Avs.
I agree.
It seemed like once they turned it up, they got out of control a bit. That and the younger guys are playing game 1 on the defending Stanley Cup champs. Hopefully that all ends. I’ll take a point on the road when we looked sort of sloppy.
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by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Oct 8, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Sloppy
Best one word assesment of the Hawks play last night.
Flashes of what they can be interspersed with boughts of unfocused, unorganized play.
I think it’s simply a function of all the new faces on the roster. It’s going to take some time for them to jell into a smoothly functioning unit.
For those who seem to already be inching toward the ledge: Did you really expect them to come out and play with the same fluidity and cohesion that last years team, which had essentially been together for three seasons, played with right from jump street? If you did you were expecting too much.
Sit back, relax, enjoy the ride. This team is going to be very good, in time.
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- James M. Barrie
"Sloppy"
Bingo. One word. That’s all today write up really needed to say. And sloppy was definitely expected from a team still getting to know each other.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Oct 8, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes sir.
It’ll take some time but it will click soon enough.
When in Rome we shall do as the Romans, when in Hell we do shots at the bar.
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Oct 11, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't understand the Stalberg vitriol already
I thought he played well with the limited minutes he was given, and that stuff attempt came off of getting cross checked in the back and knocked down with no call. He got up, gathered the puck, and got it to the near post in one motion.
Shock treatment my balls, it was one game, and a decent one at that.
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Decent????
decent isn’t a adjective used on this team. He has talent … The question is does he have the drive…… ? The scouting reports include the words … Soft and disappears at times
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by ccm on Oct 8, 2010 9:49 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
HE NEEDS DA FIRE AND DA PASSION LIKE DIKKA
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by McClure on Oct 8, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
what vitriol?
One poster mentioned sending him down for “shock treatment”. Is that vitriol?
Somehow I got the sense that the Hawks’ passing was atrocious during some long stretches last night. When they did have their moments of playing the possession game last night, they were fantastic. But too often it seemed like they were a step slow or just off the mark.
I thought the fourth line looked great.
As has been pointed out, it didn’t take long for Leddy to get schooled. The second he missed that puck on the point, I thought “goal going the other way”. I’m okay with that – if Leddy learns from it he’ll be fine.
Not too disappointed in that Hawks came back from two down to get a point on the road.
by The Fearless Freep on Oct 8, 2010 9:13 AM CDT reply actions
oh yeah
at the risk of pointing out the obvious, I thought Galliardi was their best player last night. Very impressed with his play. And I enjoyed seeing the exuberence and joy Stastny showed on his first goal – yeah, even though it went against the Hawks it’s always great to see that pure moment of joy when you’ve scored an important goal. Hats off to the Avs – they played a very solid game.
by The Fearless Freep on Oct 8, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I have to admit that
I am a bit worried,seeing a performance like that out of the Blackhawks isn’t good,but it is the first game of the season,its gonna take a while for this team to get used to each other
I like the fact that someone from 3 outta 4 lines scored,even though Bickell scored on the PP,and Sharp scored with Toews and Kopy out there,it shows that maybe there could be that similar depth that the team had from last year
I thought the fourth line was good,Dowell Stalberg and SKille(liked the way he threw his weight around a few times) and he seems quick with and without the puck,much like Ladd
by Special Agent Dale Cooper on Oct 8, 2010 9:16 AM CDT reply actions
If they play Saturday the same way they did last night they are going to run a lot of peoples good time Saturday.
I think were going to be alright however.
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You are right about Saturday's game
and i hope you are right that the Blackhawks are gonna be alright
by Special Agent Dale Cooper on Oct 8, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
they looked that sloppy (and much worse even) with regularity last year too, and it turned out good
let’s not poison this year by judging it again the gin-soaked hazy memories of last year.
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
I DO NOT have "gin-soaked hazy memories of last year" sir.
I have TEQUILA-soaked hazy memories of last year.
"Life is a long lesson in humility."
- James M. Barrie
by nextgame on Oct 8, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wasn't going to fully itemize the objects of our drinking
I mean, there has to be some sort of character limit here (plus, some of the newbie might be frightened off) – and I was hoping to focus on the main point.
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
I seriously doubt that anybody on this team is on the ledge
I also doubt they as NHL hockey players thought they would win every game just because they stepped on to the ice. They all know they worked their tails off last year and will need to work even harder this year. You will not win every game. One game, especially the first game will not make or break the regular season.
There are 81 more regular season games to go. If The Hawks are going to send people up and down based on single game performances, then they will play afraid to make a mistake and will fail.
I can’t see this happening with this coach or GM so lets not panic after one OT loss on the road.
Right handed people live, on average, nine years longer than left handed people.
Not sayin that anyone should be on the ledg
I guess its the same as last year,when they lost to the Panthers in the first game of the season and everyone was goin nuts…hope they calm everyones nerves on Saturday with a big BIG win against Detroit
by Special Agent Dale Cooper on Oct 8, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
remember that there’s essentially 7 players that have never played a full season of NHL hockey. Some of those guys have played a decent amount of games (Stalberg and Hendry), but it’s a team that needs to gel and get more comfortable playing at this level consistently.
I was excited about many things last night. Obviously, if they’re playing like they did last night in November, my optimistic mood will change.
It is only one game, I'm waiting for about 6-7 games before really picking things apart
BUT, I would like to see the Defense limit the shots getting to Turco sooner than later. The Hawks need a good Goalie, and have one in Marty, but if he see 30-35 SOG a night, he will need to be a great Goalie, that not what the Hawks went after. It is only one game, the first game and I’m hoping this was more the exception than the rule, but if it is the rule, not good.
Other than that I have no big complaints, Leddy needs this time in highly competitive games to see where he needs to get to.
As for Scott, since when did Mount Rushmore start playing hockey!
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Oct 8, 2010 9:30 AM CDT reply actions
Things to consider
is that this is only the 3rd game that most of this roster has ever played together. There are 10 new players that will adjust to this system. It’s going to take awhile to find out who fits where. I think we’ll know where this team is at after the Circus trip.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
Good point
That extended trip every year seems to better display the team’s strengths and weaknesses – will be interesting to see if the road helps them play better as the season wears on.
Was it just me
or was the puck taking a lot of weird bounces last night? It looked like everyone was having a hard time controlling it. Made the game feel sort of out-of-control to me.
I think it’s too early to tell where the team is, and like a lot of people said, this is one of the first times this team has really played together at the NHL level and they’ll need some time to adjust. I was pretty happy with Turco’s performance though. He wasn’t perfect but he made some really nice saves.
I thought this too
Was the ice shitty? I thought that might have contributed to some of those errant passes.
I think it was
and it led to a lot of missed scoring opportunities when guys had to settle the pucks down or whiffed altogether. WTF Colorado? Maybe it was the altitude, but if we can have hockey in June without too many issues, I don’t get what the problem was last night.
Geek Misconduct: It's October - time to get your geek on.
I seem to remember
that June is being not so good either
Not all those who wander are lost.
my Captain is better than your Captain
At least in June
you expect the ice to be shitty – and honestly I didn’t think it was as bad last year as it could have been. But bad ice in game one? Was that where the Onion got their inspiration?
Geek Misconduct: It's October - time to get your geek on.
Philly's ice was fine during the SC - ours was a real piece of cow dung
Players and coaches both remarked on the different levels of ice quality at that time of year – the weather’s not demonstrably different between the two cities in June, so WTH is our ice crew’s problem? Way too many pucks skidding over player’s sticks at the midway part of the second period during that series, IMHO. Surprising since our stadium’s practically brand new – perhaps it’s the multi – use problem coming to the fore, that was an issue at the old Stadium.
not at that part of the year (if I remember right)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
The ice is just fine at the Pepsi Center. This is actually the first time I’ve heard anyone say anything about the ice quality in Denver sense the Avs moved from McNichols.
I’d just chalk it up to it being early in the season and guys don’t have the touch back at NHL speed. Plus that was just a fast back & forth game last night.
by MalachiConstant on Oct 8, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Seem like Leddy is getting no love
While there are Boners popping up everywhere for Stalberg…….
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
by ccm on Oct 8, 2010 9:45 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
He didn't have the greatest game in the world.
He certainly wasn’t a disaster, but I don’t think anyone should be blowing smoke up his ass about how great he was.
You are talking Stalberg...right?
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by ccm on Oct 8, 2010 9:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
No, I'm talking about fucking Leddy
who was essentially responsible for 2 goals against.
christ, get off Stalberg, it was one game, he played 6 minutes, had some speed and some good plays. I don’t know how you can get anything about drive/desire/etc. from 6 damn minutes.
Katherine
go have a shot and a beer. It’s Friday girl, you deserve it. Don’t let yourself get this worked up.
Not all those who wander are lost.
my Captain is better than your Captain
It's lack of sleep
and irritation that crap like this is starting already.
by Katherine215 on Oct 8, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
yet I don’t think anyone has said anything out of line. Not sure why some take other’s opinions so hard…
look, last night’s game was good. We have a lot to look forward to. A lot to like. Things like Leddy and Stalberg will work themselves out. Perhaps Stalberg really needs to be on a top two line to excel. We all know Leddy is a temporary stop gap until either 51 comes back or someone like Vish or Connelly replace him.
The team needs to gel and they will. The defense will fail early in the season. There’s really no reason why Keith should be playing over 31 minutes through the first 60 minutes. If we lose because Hendry and Scott are playing 12 minutes a piece, so be it. Take our lumps early on and benefit from smart decisions come playoff time.
allow me to retort
Not sure why some take other’s opinions so hard…
Because some people’s opinion is that other people’s opinion of “OMG! Some players weren’t totally awesome!” is insane. And assaults our sensibilities. And is a bit early. Cause it’s only been 1 game. Too small of a sample size. And I’m really enjoying. Writing in fragments.
If you want to talk about how terrible you think some players were last night and have people agree with you call a sports radio show.
Not all those who wander are lost.
my Captain is better than your Captain
yet
If people want to talk about what they saw, what they liked and worry about after the first game of the season, they reserve that right to do so. I’ll reserve the right to my opinions about last nights game, my right to comment regarding the initial thread’s contents. If you want to chime in, I’m interested in what you have to say but your snark hasn’t been entertaining.
If people push back in a reactionary way, we end up with a similar toxic situation we had last year (the goalie controversy).
ok
It was a late game on a week night so I’m tired, headachy and cranky. Plus I’m the only one in the office today so I’m lashing out.
Sorry, group hug.
Not all those who wander are lost.
my Captain is better than your Captain
I saw what you did there McClure!
tsk, tsk. But I reply to you anyways…
Bingo
Man, this shit is starting earlier than I expected. I guess you guys didn’t pound it into people’s head enough over the summer that the start of the season might be a little rough.
ccm, there’s a reason they call it dope.
Steve.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Oct 8, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
damn, did he delete that comment?
what a cheater.
by Katherine215 on Oct 8, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
OK I wondered what I was missing.
It just didn’t make sense. Damn overloards being able to delete when we can’t.
All hockey players are bilingual. They know English and profanity. - Gordie Howe
Really ..
Get off Leddy he is 5 years younger playing 19 plus minutes on the number one defense from last year. Stalberg is 24 with top 6 talent , he should be very visible in a positive way. Morin was
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
by ccm on Oct 8, 2010 10:04 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I dont think anyone is doubt Leddy, the prospect, whatsoever
I think that people have reservations about making these growing-type mistakes while forced into top 4 D minutes.
who is ON Leddy?
commenting on the fact that his mistakes led to goals isn’t necessarily criticizing, assuming you’ve actually read and understood the comments.
by Katherine215 on Oct 8, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Wait a minute.....
Was that a f-bomb already?9
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
by ccm on Oct 8, 2010 10:26 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
fact?8
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Oct 8, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
tired!7
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
by ccm on Oct 8, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
ubetcha!5
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
by ccm on Oct 8, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
wtf%4
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
by puppetmasterp on Oct 8, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Stanley Cup Champions Chicago Blackhawks
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Oct 8, 2010 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
partofmewashopingwe'dnevergettoitbutpartofmeknewwewouldgetto#0
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
by puppetmasterp on Oct 8, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
and that's a negative how?
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Oct 9, 2010 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I missed the minus sign in ahnfire's post
I thought we were going back up.
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haha, classic!
-Matt Cooke is a turd burglar. He burgles ALL the turds.-
-At least he's not Cam Janssen. What a bag of dicks that guy is.-
Anyone notice Duchene on whole wheat
a la Scott & Bickell? Freakin’ hilarious! I thought I saw that on the menu @ Poor Boy’s the other day, I could be wrong.
Turco was straight up BOSS in the 1st yo!
First game of last season? A 4-3 SO loss to the Panthers in Helsinki. Funny how history kinda repeats itself.
It all comes down to one thing…chemistry. Never expected it to come together in their 1st game.
Me thinks the game’s Milk Carton Award goes to Pisani. Didn’t even notice him.
After taking some time to reflect and realize that it's only 1 game
I think I’m comfortable saying that Q needs to figure out that he isn’t using Troy Brouwer well.
Get TBrouw on one of the top 2 lines, and get him on the first powerplay unit with Kane and Toews. I know that Kop had 2 “assists” and did provide some net presence, but I just don’t get what Q’s deal is with TBrouw. He’s got 81 games to figure it out.
Ditto for Badgerdano
Borderline criminal...
I agree that they should put Sharp with Hossa on the second unit. Hossa needs someone to play with on that second unit. Im think 19-88-22 and 10-36-81 as our PP units. Until Campbell comes back were just going to have to live with our normal D pairing on the PP unless he wants to use Kopy with Kane and Tazer and move Brouwer back to the point with Keith or Seabs.
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I thought this too.
I’d like to see him with Sharp and Kane if Q’s going to keep the Cs and RWs as-is. Pisani looked a little uncomfortable with Sharp and Kane (like when Q had Madden play with Kane), but maybe it will just take some time for them to gel. I’d like to see him with bolland though.
by Katherine215 on Oct 8, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
TBrouw
was relatively invisible and ineffective last night. Maybe that was a result of Bolland having an off night too, but I definitely agree that TBrouw can be used better than he was last night.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
I agree that Brouwer might be used "more effectively", buuuut...
I think it was more of a “lesser of two evils” type decision by Q. You have to consider the whole team, not just one player.
Last year I argued that Kop was misplaced on the 4th line because he actually had the skill set of a mediocre top 6 player. This year, we have a shitload of those guys. At this point in their careers they are mediocre top 6 talents, but instead will have to fill in holes on the bottom two lines even though they don’t have the typical checking or energy line skill sets.
I think Q is just trying to spread out some of the experience, especially on the top 3 lines. I agree with this concept early in the season. Put two experienced, talented players on each line and throw a newbie in with them, hope he can keep up and learn from their leadership.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Oct 8, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
2 inexperienced players on each line and throw a newbie in with them?
I don’t see how Q did that.
Toews-Kop-Hoss doesn’t fit that mold
Sharp-Kane-Pisani doesn’t fit that mold
Bolland-Brouwer-Bickell does
Dowell-Stalberg-Skille doesn’t fit that mold
All I’m asking for is a Brouwer for Pisani swap.
Ditto for Badgerdano
well, I'm asking for more than that
As I like the Kane-Toews-Brouwer and Hoss-Sharp-Kop set up, but I’ll take baby steps from Q as it pertains to Brouwer.
Ditto for Badgerdano
I dont' know why
but Q just doesn’t seem to like Brouwer’s game.(Although I can’t figure out what’s not to like about a 20+ goal scorer who’s defensively responsible and a good character guy in the locker room.)
I get the feeling like he’s always looking for the next best thing to replace him with. Thus Kop and Pisani playing ahead of him on top two lines. In fact I can see Q pushing Bickell &/or Stalberg past him onto those lines at some point before moving Brouwer back up.
Not saying I agree with it, I don’t. Brouwer is one of my favorites. Just don’t think he’s going to be given many chances, or cut much slack, by the Q’stache.
"Life is a long lesson in humility."
- James M. Barrie
2 "experienced" players
Toews-Hossa + Kop
Yes, Kop has yrs of experience on the 4th line here and in Detroit, but this is a big jump in his role on the team and he almost has to (re?)learn how to play day in and day out with this type of talent.
Sharp-Kane + Pisani
Again, Pisani is not new to the NHL, but he is new on the team and hasn’t proven himself yet. If you put him on the 3rd line, especially with the way Bolland underwhelmed last night (one game sample), that is a disaster waiting to happen. Even though he’s not especially strong defensively, I’d rather have Brouwer’s talents there.
Brouwer-Bolland + Bickell
Pretty good looking 3rd line on paper. MUCH stronger than Pisani-Bolland-Bickell.
4th line
I was specifically talking about the top 3 lines. The 4th line will typically have newer guys, especially with the Hawks current model.
I’m just vehemently opposed to a top heavy 2 lines this early in the season. Spread the wealth and let everyone develop at a steady pace, instead of putting the 3rd and 4th lines completely in a baptism-by-fire situation. Let ’em learn the system with guys who have experience in it.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Oct 8, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on the third line
I think Brouwer and Bickell are a very similary type of player, puck winners and goalie screeners with scoring potential but little playmaking/distributing potential who are somewhat defensively responsible but aren’t all-world backcheckers. Why put them both on the same line?
Pisani is supposed to be a defense first guy who displays good stick work. He is supposed to have some offensive skill, but nothing to write home about. To me, Pisani-Bolland-Bickell is a nice fit for a checking line.
I don’t think we can force offensive depth if the pieces don’t fit. If 2 lines are responsible for the bulk of our scoring, then so be it.
Ditto for Badgerdano
I hear ya about Brouwer and Bickell being of a similar mold
and agree. I’d personally rather have someone other than Bickell as the newbie on the 3rd line with the way the lines are currently set up. And of course most of us want to see Brouwer on the top 2 lines. Me too. Just not yet with the current situation. I might 100% agree with you farther down the line.
Tomorrow we’ll be debating new line combos anyways.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Oct 8, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I have seen some nice playmaking by Brouwer - not enough data on Bickell
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
Not a Bickell fan
…but he buried that shot like he’s done it 100 times before and was cool as a cucumber after the goal.
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
by ccm on Oct 8, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
ok maybe a lil chub for Bickell
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
by ccm on Oct 8, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
what little I've seen of Bickell I have generally liked
I certainly don’t have any expectation of him ever wearing an all-star jersey, but he seemed to have good potential for a modest NHL power foward sort of guy
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
He keeps burying those chances...
and a all-star jersey might find him. Plus on that line he WILL get alot of those opportunities.
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
by ccm on Oct 8, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
see "Warren Young"
it’s all you need to know on that topic
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
or maybe it was Wendell Young?
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
There he is - Warren Young - Penguins 84-85 vs. rest of career
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
Lost in all of this
is that damn fine photo at the bottom of the post. I’m just going to admire that for awhile…
Looks like
Sharpy is tucking his piece into his waist band like a High School kid onhis way up to the Chalkboard
Chicago Blackhawks: No Longer Rusted Steel on Slush!
On the positive
there are only a few other teams with the Avs’ speed. They certainly showed the Hawks what they’re likely to see all season long from opponents trying to make their bones against the defending champs.
And to paraphrase Dennis Green as to Leddy: he was who we thought he was. If we see no improvement, he’ll have to go play with the kids in Rockford, but I suspect he’ll get a bit better and the experience now with 51 out should pay dividends down the line.
As for Turco, I mostly feel much better.
Our Cup.
I'm not sure really what kind of an effect this would have but
doesn’t the altitude factor into this too? I was more impressed that some of these guys were able to log that much ice time without totally looking like they were dying.
All hockey players are bilingual. They know English and profanity. - Gordie Howe
Seniority
Anybody else notice that outside of Leddy it was a very seniority driven parings?
Pisani got the first crack at the top six.
Bickel and Brouwer were ahead of Stalberg and Skille.
Not sure how long that will last.
To me this season is all about that third line. Without Ladd there really isn’t any semblance of a checking line. So if there is more ones playing ones, the third line will need to be more productive.
Imo, this season (with this current lineup) is going to be about Stalberg and Skille. If they can play with Bolland then Bickell and Pisani can reprise the Eager and Burish roles with Pisani taking the Madden powerkill part.
To me it is all about that third line and the S kids roles.
In the "culture" of hockey - that sort of seniority respect is entirely understandable (and appropriate, in my opinion)
guys that have paid some NHL dues get the “carpe deim” opportunity – others wait their turn.
That sort of thing is one of the ways the good chemistry of a team is built.
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
I agree
Which is why I’m not putting too much into the pairings at the start of the season. And why people shouldn’t be on the ledge at the beginning of the season regardless of how it plays out.
Q treats the season like it is a marathon and acts accordingly. It is going to take awhile before you can get any idea on how this season is going to play out…
second try response- less political and oblique
thank god daydream nation wasn’t victimized by this hockey “culture” of which you speak.
We like our people.
who was "on the bubble" with them as they came up
hockey is a true meritocracy for the most part – but in the “toss up” situations or areas where thgs aren’t clear cut, there are some traditions to be respected.
the problem with the union analogy is that the Hawks players with seniority get only a few games (or periods) to show their merit and sieze the spot ass their own – they don’t get the spot until retirement regardless of performance
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
it wasn't an analogy
i was describing a mentality, deference based on seniority, that is identical to both situations.
a mentality that of course isn’t unreasonable- it’s all about how much weight to give to this…“all else equal” seems about right.
We like our people.
by cliffkoroll on Oct 10, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Not saying that Turco looked bad
But is anyone else reminded of another stress inducing goaltender who wore similar red pads?
but Turco's stress isn't the "when's the next softie going by him?" variety
big difference!
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
maybe i'm just an adrenaline junkie
but i kinda like it. no, you don’t know what you’re aout to see next, but it doesn’t worry me half as much.
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by puppetmasterp on Oct 8, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Reminded how?
I certainly wasn’t. Turco is athletic goalie who is smaller in net and handles the puck exceptionally well, while Huet is a positioning goalie who is bigger than Turco and isn’t much of a puck handler.
The only similarity is the red pads.
Ditto for Badgerdano
Thats all that I was getting at.
At a glance I was reminded of Huet. I didn’t analyze the play or say that Turco looked poor in any way. Just an observation.
by ComachoForPrez on Oct 8, 2010 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
that makes sense
you said “another stress inducing goalie”, which I took to mean that the were similar in more ways than just the pads
Ditto for Badgerdano
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