Rapid Decompression - Avalanche 7, Hawks 5
by McClure on Dec 13, 2010 11:24 PM CST
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PrintFrom top to bottom, beginning to end, tonight was a profoundly wretched defensive effort. Everyone is guilty. I don't know how many times I can empty the clip on this team and still preserve my sanity and my digestive tract, but here it comes....
- The primary culprits tonight are your alleged top pair, Brent Seabrook and Duncan Keith. Seabrook was responsible for no less than three Colorado goals, and Keith's decision making all night long was suspect, and that's being highly complimentary. Seabrook fucked up the exit pass on the fourth goal, got caught in no man's land on the fifth, and was napping on the sixth. Keith found shinpads and opposition tape more times than could be counted, and his forcing of the puck up the left wall likely led to the Stastny tally. Unfuck yourselves gentlemen. Now.
- Coach Q is as complicit as anyone on the ice. Knowing he's trotting out 10 forwards with Dave Bolland missing (did anyone really notice?), your purported top wingers of Jack Skille and Viktor Stalberg each got less than 11 minutes worth of ice time. And this is while in Colorado's altitude. It seems like Q thinks he's been given a shitty hand from Bowman, but he's certainly compounding things by the way he's rationing out playing time. Nothing those two did was any more egregious than Marlboro 72, who each played over 25 minutes.
- Any time Patrick Sharp wants to rediscover his own zone when the team is in dire straits personnel-wise is just hunky fucking dory by me. His Corsi speaks volumes. Oh, and that -3 too.
- Are there two more pointless NHL'ers than John Scott and David Koci? Not fucking likely.
- While a lot of the blame will be passed to Marty Turco, he had absolutely zero chance on any of the four goals he allowed. Yes it would be nice if he made an acrobatic save to preserve a game, but the chances the Avs got were criminal. Knowing Q, however, this is probably Marty's last start for a while.
- Corey Crawford nearly bailed the skaters in front of him out, making several key saves throughout the second and the first 16 minutes of the third. And while Seabs has to make his fucking mind up on the play that caused the 5th goal, Crawford could have had that one.
- Believe it or not, the Hawks actually outshot the Avs 34 to 30.
- At least Troy Brouwer was interested tonight.
- It seems we may have underestimated Jake Dowell a bit.
- The Hawks squandered a golden opportunity tonight in which they managed to get 5 by a solid Craig Anderson, and on a night when Jonathan Quick used some eye of newt to blank Scum despite facing 51 shots.
- With the Hawks only getting 1 of a possible 4 points on this swing, it makes it imperative that they get 7-8 points over the 5 game home stand. No easy task, mind you.
- I think the Avs just centered another pass to a man alone in front of the Hawk net.
- Get well soon, Hoss, Kaner, and-ah The Pope-ah. Dave Bolland? Eh, whatever.
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i don't want to get my hopes up too much
cause then i’ll just be sad all over again. i’m wondering how long until he can take full contact
I'm quickly moving from worry to anger with this team.
And a good deal of it is directed at Q. His decision making is getting as bad as Keith’s.
"Dave was there!"
"Dave's a killer!"
"Dave's a mess."
Three words
Stanley Cup champions
one and done
just f-ing .500
defensive ass hats
atlanta better off
chelios night turdburger
miss the playoffs
me need vodka
by CaptainPorkchop on Dec 13, 2010 11:39 PM CST reply actions
I love lamp.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Dec 13, 2010 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
don't even
remind me of the chelios night…….
by redfaction37 on Dec 13, 2010 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
urine
a big, steaming, fucking bucket of urine
We like our people.
by cliffkoroll on Dec 14, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
I'm just going to roll around on the floor
while making dying animal noises until I feel better. Or pass out.
make sure the animal noises don't sound too bad
we wouldn’t want someone to come by and put you out of your misery
Cheering on the Blackhawks long before "Remember the Roar" in 1993 and beyond "One Goal" which was achieved in 2010.
You also don't want anyone
to think you’re “enjoying” yourself either
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
Fluffy is not useless.
He fixes problems.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Dec 13, 2010 11:51 PM CST reply actions
4:25 TOI, 5:00 PIM
Case closed.
Second City Hockey
Things have changed forever, we're the Ramblin' Boys of Pleasure
Huge fan of fighting when needed
……hate it when it becomes a side show like last night.
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
I feel like the majority of our fights
inspire the other team rather than our team. Scott’s fight against the Kings player was awesome in a Gladiator sort of way but I don’t remember it inspiring any sort of momentum change for the team. I don’t particularly care that Scott’s off the ice for 5 minutes (it’s not like he’d be on it anyway), I just am starting to think the fights in general are not really helping.
by Katherine215 on Dec 14, 2010 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
I tend to agree with that
On a related note, I’m also suspect of the whole notion that having an enforcer on your team will prevent the opposition from going after your smaller star players. But that’s a whole other discussion…
‽ ⅋ ‽
I just don't see the point
of an enforcer taking up a roster spot. With all our injuries, we could’ve used that spot for someone with skill.
by Katherine215 on Dec 14, 2010 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
exactly who, though?
this team’s problems aren’t skill related. We need solid players who will defend. Sharp’s a fantastic scorer, has tons of skills, but the guy has been killing us on the defensive zone.
In this regard, I really do blame Q. I’d bet away all my life savings that if Trotz were our coach, we’d be scoring less, but our defense (and record) would be in better shape.
Brophey, Pirri, Smith
I’d rather see them play 10 minutes over Scott any day of the week.
by Katherine215 on Dec 14, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
I've been tired of Scoot
Or Should I say Scott since the day we landed him. I never thought this team needed an “enforcer”. I’ve probably beaten this to death but can we please just get rid of him?
it bothers me because I actually like Scott
as a person, and I think he’s done ok for us with the skills he has. But I agree about not needing an enforcer. I think it changes the identity of the team in a way that doesn’t seem to be working.
by Katherine215 on Dec 14, 2010 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
He's signed through '12
and if the ‘Hawks weren’t strapped in the cap dept, they likely would have never signed him.
They took a flyer that he’d be one of a handful of $500k-ish guys that could be interchangeable in this seasons roster. That could change in ‘11-’12 especially if the cap goes up another $2M-$3M as rumoured.
Just win the next game...!
Pirri needs minutes as he’s such a young guy. He’s not going to get them at the NHL level, especially if Morin is also on the team.
Smith is okay (wasn’t terrible in his three games with us) and I’m with Q on going with Scott over Brophney.
i'm not saying
Pirri should play consistently on the 4th line; he definitely needs minutes in Rockford on a consistent basis. But for last night, with half our core forwards out, I think we needed more than just a body in Scott.
by Katherine215 on Dec 14, 2010 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
oh, Pirri's already at the WJC camp I think.
And Brophey appears to be injured. wtf, hockey gods?
by Katherine215 on Dec 14, 2010 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
we can debate what we needed more of last night...
but that’s a game we should have sealed up with the guys we have (not some rookie talent).
Q needs to get these guys to tighten up their defensive game. I’m not sure what is going on in our blue line, but it’s clear to me that the absence of Madden and Ladd has been much more damaging than I had ever imagined.
you might kill yourself anyways
with how this team is being managed.
Managing is the real issue isn't it?
We are going to see how the Wizard handles this one. We know what Q is gonna do. He’s gonna keep trying anything and everything. So far Stan gives us Scott over and over
What, like Quennville's misfiring cylinder on his Dodge Dakota?
I'm not superstitious. I'm just a little stitious.
by AirTrafficAJ on Dec 14, 2010 12:38 AM CST up reply actions
so I only saw six minutes of this game
Unfortunately it was the last six minutes. Not even all of it, b/c I shut the TV of with 1:30 left and went to take a shower. And yet I saw the Hawks leading with 5 min left, I saw them let a weak tying goal. I saw them give the game away and come away with zero points. All in less time than it takes me to drink a can of coke.
Glad there were other things that filled my evening in addition to this. Thank god.
happy ninja may seem happy, but may have to kick your ass if you don't get it in gear.
Drink coke faster
fixed
Use a giant drill, bore straight into hell ~ Releasin ancient demons from a sleep forever spell
So they can walk upon the earth, and get resituated ~ And hawk the diet pills that MC Pee Pants have created
Sometimes it feels like the whole world is coming to an end.
Second City Hockey
Things have changed forever, we're the Ramblin' Boys of Pleasure
Corey Crawford
is a grown ass man.
by radguy213 on Dec 14, 2010 12:14 AM CST via mobile reply actions
He made a few good stops last night......so what?
He needs to stop those late goals. He’s getting praise for not being Turco right now.
"When I look at the net I don't see a goalie." - Pavel Bure
"When I look at the net I see 2 or 3 goalies." - Radek Dvorak.
by HjammerTime on Dec 14, 2010 8:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
you really blame the goalies for the D breakdown?
Cheering on the Blackhawks long before "Remember the Roar" in 1993 and beyond "One Goal" which was achieved in 2010.
I don't think he's blaming goalies for D breakdown
Which, by the way could be a Forward not being in the correct place and the D having no place to go, but that is another issue.
What he is saying is that goalies need to bail out the team once in a while. They just need to. Then the confidence thing takes over.
Bingo
Regardless of the horrid play in our own zone, Crawford has got to stop one of those two shots.
"When I look at the net I don't see a goalie." - Pavel Bure
"When I look at the net I see 2 or 3 goalies." - Radek Dvorak.
OK then should we blame Crawford for the late goals last night?
I’ve never been a goalie so hey I’m not sure. What I saw I don’t blame on Crawford.
Cheering on the Blackhawks long before "Remember the Roar" in 1993 and beyond "One Goal" which was achieved in 2010.
Well........sort of.
If your the starting goaltender on the Hawks right now, your being counted on to bail out a team which resembles a traveling circus.
You can not blame Crawford all you like. The fact remains our goaltender needs to stop a stop late in the game and he failed to do so. I didn’t come here to bash him. I was just responding to the “grown ass man” comment. A grown ass goaltender would have pulled the game out for the Hawks…which did not happen last night.
"When I look at the net I don't see a goalie." - Pavel Bure
"When I look at the net I see 2 or 3 goalies." - Radek Dvorak.
I didn't mean to imply you were bashing them.
I just wanted an honest opinion. Of the two goalies (and I like both of them) I would blame the goals that Turco let in more than Crawford’s. Turco’s seemed to be more like they trickled in, or just popped over and behind him, but I can’t lay it all on either goaltender. The team played like crap last night and pretty much everyone was to blame, not just the goaltenders.
Cheering on the Blackhawks long before "Remember the Roar" in 1993 and beyond "One Goal" which was achieved in 2010.
Definitely not laying it all on the goaltenders
But am saying the goaltenders could have stole one for us last night and neither was equal to the task. Crawdaddy make some highlight reel saves last night but when the game was on the line….he shat in the bed just like everyone else.
"When I look at the net I don't see a goalie." - Pavel Bure
"When I look at the net I see 2 or 3 goalies." - Radek Dvorak.
If you ask my son, who is a goalie
It’s NEVER the goalies fault. There are 5 other guys tat couldn’t stop the other kid.
Crawford is a player on this team. He is supposed to stop shots. Yes the D and forwards screwed the pooch and let someone have a good look at the net, but that is why he is there, to stop shots. Make the save to bail out the team. Make the 1st save, cover the puck, put it in the corner, etc.
I'm not bashing him either.
He is the best goalie on this team right now and his teammates need to make the play to bail him out as much as he needs to make the save to bail them out.
I looked at all the goals.
I will not comment on the 1 and 2. They are the reason they lost IMO
3rd goal Kop and Morin blew coverage
4th Turco and Sharp. Turco has to cover. Sharp has to tie up the stick
5th All on Crawford. Shot from too far out not to make the save
6th Seabrook didn’t cover a man
7th gotta be Q on this one.
Crawford played well. They should have won and would have if he was the starter. Turco’s gotta concentrate.
The highlights don't show any possible turnovers that cause some of the blown coverage
I’m sure it was the cause of a lot of them.
This is more what I was looking for - a level headed analysis.
Cheering on the Blackhawks long before "Remember the Roar" in 1993 and beyond "One Goal" which was achieved in 2010.
What's unlevelheaded about observing your goaltender failing to bail out the team?
"When I look at the net I don't see a goalie." - Pavel Bure
"When I look at the net I see 2 or 3 goalies." - Radek Dvorak.
by HjammerTime on Dec 14, 2010 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not looking for a fight and I didn't say you weren't being level headed.
What laarmer gave above is more than just saying Crawford is to blame, or Turco is to blame.
Cheering on the Blackhawks long before "Remember the Roar" in 1993 and beyond "One Goal" which was achieved in 2010.
It's interesting to pause the play right at the time the pass is made for the 3rd goal
Campbell is looking right at the guy in the slot, but he has to cover the other guy, or thinks he has to. Kop is covering nobody and Morin is late coming back.
On the 6th, Seabrook know it’s his mistake. If he was Japanese he would have done himself in.
Same with Sharp on 4th.
No, I think it's KOP
He drifts away from the middle for some reason, like he is anticipating Sahrpe making a steal. He looks at McLeod and then floats away from him.
Finally, Turco os too deep
Yes, he is on the post because the puck is behind the net, but he has to, oh fuck this.
It’s easy for me to say what they all did wrong. MCLeod saw the open ice and he took it, he made a good play.
5th goal is Crawford's problem
Stands on his head all night only to let in a wrister from the top of the circle or even just inside the blue line. Seems at least one a game.
He didn't play all night
He should have made that save though. He also made some he probably shouldn’t have. So did Turco though. Like I was trying to say, Turco needs to concentrate and Crawford needs to play.
the problem I had with that goal from the top of the circle
were two fold. The first was the horrible defensive positioning on the play. Too much space and allowing the easy shot. The second was Crawford not making the save. One of the good things about the horrible defensive positioning was the fact that there was no screen on the play. Corey should have seen the puck the entire way.
oh well. Shit happens. It happened a lot last night.
I thought Seabs was OK
He may have been a little concerned with the outside speed, his stick just misses the shot. Who knows, it may have even been tipped by Seabs and that’s why Joan missed it.
he flailed badly IMO
even before it was ever a goal, i was wondering what the fuck he was doing. He was shifting outwards, looked like he was trying to protect the play from going towards the boards. Left an open, uncontested shot.
I thik his gap is a little too big
He may be a bit too far out, but this shot is after he has stopped backwards and is now closing on the shot. Even the first forward back is in OKshape. Duncy has the guy by the net. I’ll bet Crawford was looking at / worried about Keith’s man a little too much and the shot got on him quicker than he expected. He should have made the save.
agreed - other than a bit of poor gap coverage, the set up isn't too bad
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
Seabs was tight on his man
but I think he over-skated backwards for a second or two, anticipating Fleischmann to continue forechecking, cause when he stopped he obviously gave lots of room for the shot.
If it were any other game it would have been just a poor mistake, but for Seabrook it was another blunder in the cornucopia of mistakes he made last night.
yeah...
I don’t really think it’s much of an issue of being tighter or not. My concern was his positioning. He drifted outward, towards the boards and left a wide-open, uncontested shot. If he places his body between the puck and the net, that goal never occurs.
But I should also be clear that I’m not sour on Seabs. He might have played a poor game a few nights ago, but that’s sort of the anomaly with him this year. He’s typically been our best defenseman.
Just before Brouwer hit Crossbar
Ref ignored obvious interference by Liles right of Avs net.
? Payback for Seabrook throwing stick vs Stars?
by Canuckslicknutsak on Dec 14, 2010 12:35 AM CST reply actions
I thought the payback
was over after the Sharks game. Although not the reason why we lost tonight.
by radguy213 on Dec 14, 2010 12:47 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
FOOOOOOOOOKKKKKK
It’s so bad, I can’t even swear right.
I'm not superstitious. I'm just a little stitious.
SHAAAAAAAAAAATTTTT
Wow, contagious!
by radguy213 on Dec 14, 2010 12:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
SSSSSSHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMUUUU
What the ding dang?
Use a giant drill, bore straight into hell ~ Releasin ancient demons from a sleep forever spell
So they can walk upon the earth, and get resituated ~ And hawk the diet pills that MC Pee Pants have created
The only thing that can take the sting out of this...
…would be to kick the shit out of the scum on Friday. Tall order I know but I need something good to dream about tonight.
I tried to make the same point last night. However I believe the Hawks will beat the Wings Friday like I believe ScarJo will show up at my door tonight and order me to bang her.
"When I look at the net I don't see a goalie." - Pavel Bure
"When I look at the net I see 2 or 3 goalies." - Radek Dvorak.
by HjammerTime on Dec 14, 2010 8:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
What does everybody think? Is it rant time yet?
The Avs are what we thought they were. They’re what we thought they were. We played them in the opener — who the hell takes a season opener like it’s bullshit? Bullshit! We played them in the opener — everybody played three quarters — the Avs are who we thought they were! That’s why we took the damn ice. Now if you want to crown them, then crown their ass! But they are who we thought they were! And we let ’em off the hook!
by Billy Charlesbois on Dec 14, 2010 12:55 AM CST reply actions
Marlboro 72
Definitely NOT who we thought they were.
by radguy213 on Dec 14, 2010 1:02 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's funny
there was a point in the game (the 3rd?) where they were talking about how much of a genius Q is for putting the right people in at the right time.
by radguy213 on Dec 14, 2010 12:55 AM CST via mobile reply actions
If everybody would have gone to bed like me
You wouldn’t be so upset. Lighten the fuck up. You are all starting to give me a rash.
Turco fucks with Keith and Seabrook. You can see it in Seabs face during the game. Keith, well if he could just slow down a tad he would be fine. Get rid of the happy hands Duncy.
I only watched highlights, but Scott = not a good hockey player.
Mo Scorin – please keep him
Q – Take more meds. Calm the fuck down you asswipe.
Hammer – you wil be gone to some exiled team next season if you don’t get your shit together.
Clone Campbell – we need another smart D man.
by laaarmer on Dec 14, 2010 7:38 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
for Mo Scorin.
But, Campbell was useless on the 3rd or 4th goal. nor singling him out, but he shares in the suckitude.
We like our people.
by cliffkoroll on Dec 14, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks Cliff for pointing that out!
Brian Campbell is another one that has gone unscathed by anyone this season.
For a $7.14 million defenceman his 1 goal and 7 assists for 8 points (319th overall) is not a lot of production. In fact, he’s been the worst bang-for-the-buck on the ’Hawks right now.
His +10 is very deceiving as his defensive play was been suspect since his return and has been caught out of position quite a few times last night and yet gets no scorn for it. However, Seabrook and Keith get raked over the coals for making the similar mistakes?
Say what you want, but StanBow wanted to and probably tried desperately to move that contract during the summer but nobody was going to take that albatross of a deal off our hands.
2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS
It's been a long journey but in the end it was all worth it, and I wouldn't have ever changed a thing. The feeling is so surreal, yet so real.
Hre is #2
This is at the time of the shot. Turco too deep, but what the hell is Kop doing? Morin is young and floating, that I’m giving a pass on, but Kop is clearly sleeping on the job.
Campbell cannot cover the slot and #37 at the same time.
5 Hawks, 3 Avs, Avs score.
back it up a few seconds
and watch the puck slide right past Campbell, his stick to the left.
Canmpbell is not going to defend the pass to #37, cuz he can’t get to the boards and that pass is a simple ring around. Plus, who defends a pass to the corner and leaves the lane to the slot wide open?
Kop gets his ahres of blame too, of course.
We like our people.
He doen't need to get to the boards
Why would he go out there? That guy is not gonna score from there. Unless he yurns his back or fumbles the puck he can stay there all day. I think Canpbell thought they were going to cycle, that was his guessing mistake. Kop needs to take that guy in the slot.
clearly
Soup wasn’t in a position to defend the relatively harmless pass back to #37. so, the correct answer is to play in a certain no man’s land where, regardless of what Colorado does, Campbell is sure not to interfere.
Not exonerating Kopecky, but…
We like our people.
He just flat missed the puck
His is in position, his teammate needs to do his job so when he makes a mistake like this they are still OK.
It is the ultimate team game, that is why I love it.
Here is that shot with the puck in it
That is a sweet pass. I think Turco got his stick on it (it’s blurry) Kop and Mo need to cover that guy. Campbell’s stick is in the wrong passing lane. Like I said, he thought they were going to cycle back to the corner and got caught guessing. 
ha!
comnpare Kop in this picture with the one above. Everybody else moves except him.
We like our people.
There is nothing deceiving about his +10. He’s looked better on defense than I remember him being last year. It’s also not coincidence that Hjams, who was -8 while Soupy was gone has gone +5 since then.
Complain to me about Campbell when guys like Keith (-11), Kop (-9) and Sharp (-8) aren’t so dismal.
Also worth mentioning is the fact that Soupy has had the least amount of playing time with the new forwards, thanks to his injury.
I'm going to give you a screen shot of the goal you are talking about or you can watch the play
It’s Kopecky’s man all the way.
Now there is a guy that shits the bed all the time yet he continues to play. What is that?
Ok there wil be two screen shots here
campbell is maybe too close to the net here, but McLeod is NOT his man. It’s KOP or Mo Scorin al the way.
dude
he could have spit on the puck as it went by. i certianly hope he wasn’t watching it, thinking “not my puck.”
We like our people.
Still Kop has to cover a man.
That is his job in his own zone.
5 Hawks, 3 Avs
Also, if Sharp buries that guy, there is no goal.
Or if the goaltender stops it. Just sayin’.
2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS
It's been a long journey but in the end it was all worth it, and I wouldn't have ever changed a thing. The feeling is so surreal, yet so real.
i hear ya
can you believe Crawford’s late tub-shitting! that’s a 4 point swing versus a team the Hawks will likely be competing with down the stretch.
We like our people.
Crow has had a terrible tendancy to let that happen to him this year and it needs to stop and right now.
I just have a hard time slapping a kid that came off the bench to replace Turco in the first place. I do agree though, these are the losses in the end that might kill us.
2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS
It's been a long journey but in the end it was all worth it, and I wouldn't have ever changed a thing. The feeling is so surreal, yet so real.
Hey Nimrod
This whole breakdown happens in less than a second. I don’t like Turco either. He’s from UM. There is an uncovered guy deep in the slot and the puck is behind the net. Most times this will result in a goal. If it doesn’t Kopecky is probably the shooter.
Hey Nimrod,
I was being facetious … and I don’t think we need to resort to name-calling here. This isn’t the fifth grade.
2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS
It's been a long journey but in the end it was all worth it, and I wouldn't have ever changed a thing. The feeling is so surreal, yet so real.
I apologize should not have done that
and stop being fecetious.
It’s hard to tell from you today with your Turco tirade
I don’t blame you for not getting it as it was my only facetious post of the day.
Anyways, I’m done beating this dead horse for today.
To be successful for the long run the defence and goaltending has to improve significantly. If it doesn’t we’re fucked!
2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS
It's been a long journey but in the end it was all worth it, and I wouldn't have ever changed a thing. The feeling is so surreal, yet so real.
I think we're all frustrated with this whole situation a bit right now
but the bottom line is the team didn’t do well defencively last night. We would have liked to see a goalie-bail-us-out game but it didn’t happen.
This team has to tighten up their defencive game and play with a little more desperation. Q has to get it through these guys heads that the game has to be simplified. And lastly but certainly not the least, NOW is the time for the captain to show his TRUE leadership….!
Just win the next game...!
PPP does a lot of screencapped breakdowns like this on their blog
and while I will admit to occasionally missing Versteeg, I don’t really watch Leafs games to the point where it matters to me to see how they’ve broken down for the umpteenth time. (Actually, the only game I saw in full was when they came back from a 4-1 deficit to beat the Caps in the shootout 5-4. That was awesome.)
But I’d be interested to see more of this discussion (and possible ensuing debates) here.
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by chiblackhawks on Dec 14, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
We didn't deserve a win.
I started hearing the Harlem Globetrotter music whenever a Ave would set up behind the goal.
It’s getting to be torture having to listen to Foley. He’s got to tell every fucking behind the scene story like he’s narrating the Battle of the Bulge, the whole while forgetting a game is in progress.
I guess I’m becoming my grandpa, I just want to turn off the volume and talk to myself.
it is becoming
a very hawk harrelson experience
haha hawk, ironic
ive been tempted to hit pause on the dvr, wait for it to sync with the radio and listen to troy murray
by TurdFurgeson on Dec 14, 2010 8:23 AM CST up reply actions
Turco deserves some blame
That was collectively the worst game the D corps has played this year, and by far the worst I’ve ever seen Seabrook, but we can’t let Turco off the hook. This team played tightly last night because of his inability to make a big save. He really needed to come up with a big save on either the 2nd or 3rd goal, but they both trickled through.
This reeks of Huet/Niemi last year, maybe even more so because there’s no giant contract to feel self-conscious about.
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by HungryHungryPanda on Dec 14, 2010 8:26 AM CST reply actions
Yes
The goalie needs to bail out his teammates once in a while. They need to make less mistakes, but if they ar worried about the goalie, they will play tight and make more.
I know NHL players, but they are still playing a game and a lot of it is mental. Well, less mental with Scott, but with Keith and Seabrook, it’s all mental. I don’t know what’s wrong with Hammer. Maybe he needs a chick. Kane and Sharp should hook him up, unless he’s married, then I blame his wife.
Scott and Hendry are making 1 MIL between them right? I MIL for nothing. Hendry could contribute, but he’s not allowed, so why are they here? You can’t tell me Nick Leddy wouldn’t contribute more than Scott and all the while play in the NHL and get minutes too.
My rash is coming back I gotta go calm down.
Could it be a style thing?
Is it possible that the Hawks D are more comfortable playing in front of Crawford because of the style of goalie he is?
From what I’ve gathered, Crawford is very strong at getting his body in the right position to make a save, whereas Turco is dancy mcdancerton back there, so the D can’t be certain where he is going to be positioned. Would this have an affect on the effectivenss of the D?
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Bolland could have saved us
While Bolland has taken his share of deserved criticism, I have to think he would have stopped one or two of those guys coming up the middle.
Dude has back issues.
In my 20 20 hindsight that Mr. Wizard is supposed to have, either ! or Ladd was a better keep than Dave. I love the guy, but he’s looking like damaged goods, and Mr. Wizard should have known it. He was never going to be worth more than after last years playoffs. Stan fucked it there.
Does nobody listen when the Hawks say explicitly that “It is not his back”?
When he was down earlier in the year it was said to a rib injury that happened on the ice.
Are you choosing to ignore what the Hawks are saying about his injury (which I am fine with if you are btw) or have you not heard that?
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I don't give a fuck what they say
Who the hell pays attention. Lower body = anywhere below the head. Upper body = anywhere above the knee.
He looks slow (always has). He’s a HUGE problem on this team. He had highly skilled players on his wings the last two years and he benefitted from it. He is not good enough to elevate new players games. He needs them to elevate his.
Back issue are back issues. They tend to not go away and cause lots of others.
From a human angle I praise the Hawks for not tossing him aside
They could have, but did not. Good company taking care of employee. From the hockey game angle, he’s not worth the $$ they are paying him and either needs to step it up or lose his job to someone who will.
Well I see you have it figured out
Me? I am going to choose the “head in the sand” method on #36 issues. I just don’t want to deal with it right now, ya know?
I am told it is not his back. check. I am told it happened on the ice and is a unrelated rib injury. check. I am told he is day-to-day. check.
I am going to choose to believe all of this for the sake of some short-term sanity. If the shit is going to hit the fan, then it will anyways.
"...can i have a glass of whiskey and a slice of bread?"
i think you're a littel bit wrong
Havlat ain’t done shit since he left Bolland.
Maybe Ladd was the secret behind Havlat, Bolland, and Versteeg, but I wouldn’t read too much into 30 games. He had his share of ineffective stretches with the Hawks.
Obviously, Bolland has been all kinds of suck, but he has been playing better lately. Is there maybe a small connection between his absence and an utter defensive meltdown?
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by cliffkoroll on Dec 14, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder when Hoss comes back that it might be worth revisting putting him with Bolland to recreate that magic that Havlat and Bolland had.
It might be a stretch, but it’s worth a shot right?
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I'm not saying they are/were world beaters
I like Dave. He’s not that good though. If he was, we would know it. He had a lot of talented guys on his wing that helped his game and theirs. He doesn’t have guys with the same experience now and it is hindering his game.
Agreed that Bolly was missed
Feel free to argue otherwise, but I’ve felt he’s deserved a little more credit (just a little) for his two way play most of the year. Even when he wasn’t hitting the scoresheet – which he now seems to be hopefully turning around – he was back-checking and doing a lot of the dirty work along the boards that has helped an often struggling D. I’ll admit to being a bigger fan of Weapon’s than most around here, but I couldn’t shake the thought that if he’s on the ice, we win that fustercluck of a game last night.
two way play?
I’ll give him credit for his defensive play, but I don’t think he’s much of a two-way player at this point.
I’ve said earlier in the year that we should enjoy the guy as a defensive specialist and take any offense as dessert. Past production will do little to dissuade my current stance. I’ll live longer and if his offense production ever returns, I’ll be delighted.
Whoops
the puck just hopped over Keith’s stick…again.
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A slight positive
Potulny looked pretty damn good. Two really solid hits in only 9 min. of ice time and generated some pretty good puck possession shifts. Dowell also looked completely capable of centering a 3rd line.
Oh, and how ’bout them Bulls?…
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by HungryHungryPanda on Dec 14, 2010 8:59 AM CST reply actions
Let's add Morin to the "slight positive" roll. More please.
Brouwer stepped it up. Campbell handling the puck was a reassuring sight.
That is all.
Morin has been fantastic
We would be fools to send him back down.
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by HjammerTime on Dec 14, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
last year, after the 4th Hawks goal, I would have just known we would win - probably 7-5 or better
And I would have been right.
This year isn’t last year. /sigh/
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
I seem to remember a lot of late-game bed shittings last year, too.
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by HungryHungryPanda on Dec 14, 2010 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
How did Hendry manage
to get a shift on the PP and Skille and Stalberg don’t? And though I don’t mind him, Potulny had 1:53 on the PP; what did those two do to Q anyway? Kopecky scares me more defensively at times than those two do, and yet he’s on the PK and the PP.
I don’t understand the thought process here, I really don’t. Our 2nd unit is a collection of spare parts and a colossal joke at times, and the two guys with speed and some chemistry together (and with Dowell, who was centering the 2nd unit, I think) are stapled to the bench.
I think I said it last year
Quenneville is fucking this thing up and he will never coach them to the Satnley cup. He does some odd things doesn’t he? Too many or not enough of some kind of meds, if you ask me. Dial it in and he will be all right too.
yes you did
I remember on quite a few occasions last year, you made some “wtf is Q doing?” type comments. At the time, we would usually stomp the competition regardless of what Q did, so I either wasn’t listening or I didn’t care. Now I’m listening, and I’m concerned. What kind of salve you using for that rash? Think i might need to go buy some.
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Are Hendry & Scott
bettter WINGERS than anything we have in Rockford?
really….
I’d rather see fuck ups by youth with some hand skills
than fuck ups by marginal NHLer defensemen playing the wing..
Especially since
they were already flying someone out from Rockford. Why not add another guy with Potulny? I don’t understand it.
While I don’t think Hendry or Scott hurt them much yesterday – can anyone do that much damage in 4:25 on the ice? – I think the absence of another line didn’t help.
by Katherine215 on Dec 14, 2010 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
Tomorrow night's going to say a lot about this team
If they bounce back with a strong effort and get an almost mandatory two points, I’ll back (slightly) off the ledge.
On the other hand, if last night turns out to be an indicator of where their heads are at, then god help us all when Scum roll in on Friday.
i'm tired of "bounce back" games
last season, we only really needed one of those… and that happened WITHIN a game (Calgary).
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by chiblackhawks on Dec 14, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
True, but at that point
it wasn’t so much the season as the division that was in line. That game felt more like fatigue, or a little bit of complacency after just completely dominating the last couple of months. This season it still feels like we’re looking for that one game that’ll get us going like we did after we came back in that Flames game last year, if that makes sense.
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by chiblackhawks on Dec 14, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
Ill believe that when I see it.
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by HjammerTime on Dec 14, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
I don’t know as much about zombies as some of you…shouldn’t he be zombified by now and ready to skate?
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JAY MCKEE, STAN. JAY. GOD. DAMN. MC. KEE.
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by chiblackhawks on Dec 14, 2010 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
You can add Sam to that List
If I remember he was pretty strong on that. I would love to see McKee in there for Boynton. Shit If any of you can skate can we have open tryouts?
Is this a fact
or is Jesse just running his mouth, trying to look knowledgeable? None of the other beat writers have mentioned this yet.
But until 2 and 7 unfuck themselves from the funk they’ve now found themselves in and the team plays more consistently, we’re still going to struggle.
by Katherine215 on Dec 14, 2010 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Seems like he is pulling a Kuc
So he can be the one who breaks it. Or he just had a conversation with someone saying “hey we should get another d-man because that Boynton sure sucks”
His source was Eklund
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by HjammerTime on Dec 14, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
Well, and there you have it ...
For $7K less than what it would have cost to keep Niemi, this {Turco} is what the ’Hawks rolled their dice on and THIS is what they got. Not smart.
You can make every excuse in the book (and this blog will don’t you worry) that the defence were to blame for those Avalanche goals, but 4 goals on 10 shots? Fuck off, that’s a joke! Don’t give me this garbage that it’s the defence when that happens as Turco – once again – shit the bed. Case closed.
And why did he even get the start in the first place? It seems to me that he must have been in Q’s ear after Crawford’s loss in SJ (WHERE CROW STOLE A POINT) begging for the start, basically the opposite of Huet of last year, and got his wish only to look like Denis Lemieux or Hardy Astrom. Way to put the team first there Marty, now enjoy being the waterboy. Which begs the question, could Hannu Toivenen at $600K be worse than Turco (with all of 2 wins since October)?
I know this looks like a rant and in most part it is. For the third year in a row we’ve seen the back-up play considerably better than the starter yet continously get shafted in starts. Right now the ‘Hawks need wins and it’s with Crawford that they’re going to get them with, so it’s time to “BE LIKE THE SCUM” and realize that the rookie Crawford (like Howard) needs to be the guy moving forward and let the veteran Turco (like Osgood) be the mentor.
And now I’m going to have another cup of coffee.
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you haven't been paying attention
hawks10 seems to think the Hawks need to make a decision on a playoff goalie now.
this:
It seems to me that he must have been in Q’s ear after Crawford’s loss in SJ (WHERE CROW STOLE A POINT) begging for the start, basically the opposite of Huet of last year, and got his wish only to look like Denis Lemieux or Hardy Astrom. Way to put the team first there Marty, now enjoy being the waterboy.
is about par for the course. with a little imagination, you can see the flecks of spittle coming off his lips.
We like our people.
by cliffkoroll on Dec 14, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
No imagination needed there were flecks of spit all over my HTC when I seen Turco’s numbers at my 10pm break.
This situation reminds of 1990 when we let playoff hero Alain Chevrier go and replaced him with Greg Millen (via trade with Quebec later in the season) only to have him play like shit and have rookie Ed Belfour bail him out time and time again.
Cloutier was another mindfuck disaster better served as a bartender to Sutter and Keenan.
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If the ’Hawks lose their next 2 games the cliff will be right in front of them.
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If they lose the next two games there will be more games to play after that
You should jump and quit repeating that you don’t like Turco. Nobody is going to listen to you anymore.
I’m just stating the facts, not jumping or showing dislike larmer.
If the ‘Hawks are .500 at the midpoint of the season, they’re in deep trouble especially when you consider how strong the West has been this year.
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$7k less?
what are you smoking?
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
and Niemi hasn't looked good very often this year (other than against us)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
something that failed to mellow him out
not THAT is a bad purchase.
happy ninja may seem happy, but may have to kick your ass if you don't get it in gear.
by puppetmasterp on Dec 14, 2010 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
*now
“now THAT is a bad purchase
happy ninja may seem happy, but may have to kick your ass if you don't get it in gear.
by puppetmasterp on Dec 14, 2010 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
the question was between $2.75m and $1.3m
not $2m and $1.3m. The $2m happened after the Hawks walked away from the award. Would Niemi’s camp have accepted a $2m offer from the Hawks at the beginning? We don’t know, and normally I’d say hindsight is 20/20, but like krome said above, it’s not exactly like Niemi’s hot stuff over in San Jose either, so I don’t even know why you’re fuming about that goaltending decision. The more egregious one, I think, is not starting Crawford.
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by chiblackhawks on Dec 14, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
and that, of course, is $700k
which pays for a full other player (and 2/5 of another) to fill out the roster
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
So we re-sign Niemi and tell Turco and Boynton to fuck off.
Or tell Turco to fuck off and trade Kopecky to anywhere and replace him with a $500K guy.
Problem solved.
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Playing Crawford will sooth my pain.
I’m very pleased with the moves we made in June with Byfuglien, Eager, and Sopel, as well as Versteeg to Toronto.
But I’m pissed that we kept Bolland and Boynton and signed Turco and Scott instead retaining Madden, Ladd, and Niemi – and it’s killing us right now.
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Playing Crawford 100% of the time won't help anything.
What happens if he gets injured? Exhausted? What about when he has a bad game, then who do we turn to? Toivonen? Ugh!
We need both goalies to play some time to keep them both in form while still getting rest. We need Turco to make some big saves. We need the whole damn team to play in front of both goalies, and we need the D to stand up and not leave both goalies out to dry.
Does that sum it up?
NO!
Look at Detroit last year, it was Howard all the way and if they don’t the Wings would’ve missed the postseason.
The same has to happen here, Crawford until he dies of Quick exhaustion.
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right, because last year's Finals goalies
both played upwards of 70 regular season games and were still fresh. You know, guys like Nabby, Anderson, Miller…
I have no idea if we’ll make it to the Finals again, but riding one goalie hasn’t gotten a team a Cup in years. We need both of them playing well.
by Katherine215 on Dec 14, 2010 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
I’d rather try to be the first in a while instead of this fucking charade that Turco is going to improve.
HE’S BEEN FUCKING HORRIFIC FOR 2 MONTHS NOW!
Time to re-shuffle the deck and try a different strategy. It’s points we need and we need them now. There is no sense in trying to perform strategics at this stage of the season when our backs are against the wall. It’s done.
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Ok, we get it
You don’t like Turco and you want Niemi back. I think you should just predict Turco will lose 12 in a row or something so he’ll do the opposite, like what happened in the Eastern Conference playoffs last year with the Habs.
by Katherine215 on Dec 14, 2010 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
I won’t predict that as I think this will be the last we see of Turco unless Crawford is really bad for a couple of games.
Yah, and I was the only one wrong about the Canadiens? I’m pretty sure this whole blog (with the lone exception being meeshak) was wrong about them.
I was, however, pretty spot on about the West though.
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Up through last night
and perhaps one other game Turco was not the reason the ’Hawks were not doing well. Yes, Crawford outplayed him but overall the team has not played well defencively for most of the season.
While its improved for a SOGA perspective the last month, they still have issues clearing the zone and often at centre don’t get in deep.
The defencive play last season and ability to control the play is what “made the goaltenders” look better.
One only has to compare the Sharks 2010-11 team defence to the Blackhawks 2009-10 defence when observing Nemo’s play.
Just win the next game...!
you're talking silly now
You’re making I told you so’s that I’m not sure sure you ever told anyone in the first place.
June 10th, 2010 – Did you want madden to stay and dave bolland to be shipped out. So, Madden, who petered out at the end of the year is our 3rd line center all year this year? What?
Do us all a favor, create a lineup on cap geek, that has all your guys and has a full roster with some flexibility.
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Sure thing....
I’ll try to get it done this weekend. I’ll put it as a fanpost.
And yes, I was one of the few that wanted to keep Bolland just not at the expense of Ladd – hence Madden would’ve stayed in the process.
Hindsight is always 20/20 but it’s been my view since early October and even as early as the pre-season.
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I look forward to it as a discussion piece
I’m not trying to attack you, but when 1 rage inducing game (for all of us) turns into ladd this and niemi that, and bowman fucked this up…….(without even mentioning seabrook’s game) is frustrating to digest.
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one more thing
as blackhawk24 states, make sure and put Niemi’s arbitration amount in for your calculation and not the 2 mil he currently makes. We couldn’t get him at 2 mil like San Jose did, It was 2.75 mil or nothing.
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Oh hell let's just pick up Nabby
I hear he is looking for a position in the NHL.
Cheering on the Blackhawks long before "Remember the Roar" in 1993 and beyond "One Goal" which was achieved in 2010.
just wait until I get really pissed
I might throw in a few damns while I’m at it
Cheering on the Blackhawks long before "Remember the Roar" in 1993 and beyond "One Goal" which was achieved in 2010.
Maybe I'll go throw Madagascar in my DVD player.
It always seems to cheer me up and the threads are a real downer today. Man losing sucks :(
Cheering on the Blackhawks long before "Remember the Roar" in 1993 and beyond "One Goal" which was achieved in 2010.
Ok, so Turco could have made one or two saves and bailed his defense out
but how can Turco be number 1 on your hit list when Seabrook clearly had the worst game of anyone on the team?
He couldn’t prevent the centering pass on the first goal.
His turnover on the 4th goal was a joke.
He got caught flat footed and out of position and allowed the shot on net for the 5th goal.
Another awful turnover on the 6th goal and then compounds it by letting duchene walk into the crease without being tied up.
It is unfathomable to me that anyone would be more annoyed with Turco than they are with Seabrook and (to a lesser extent) Keith.
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Because Turco has been shit since October that’s why. He’s only had 2 wins since then and hasn’t looked good in any of them, in fact; he’s been putrid.
Let’s face it, the Stars fans were right about Turco and warned us about his dropped level of play – and they were right.
Last night part of the blame could be put on the defence, but most of it still lies on the shoulders of a netminder that let in 40% of the shots he faced.
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You're missing the point
The ’Hawks rise to the top was a puck-possession game and strong team defence. Last season, they could have plugged a dozen goalies not named Cristobal Huet in the nets and won the cup.
They have not been playing strong team defence. So if your goalie isn’t named Sawchuk, Esposito or Roy, there’s gonna be issues.
Like Nemo’s numbers this season are a reflection of the Sharks play in front of him (hint, hint, that’s why Willie signed Hammer to the OS), so too were Turco’s numbers last season a reflection of the Stars play in front of him.
We all know Turco =/= Esposito, Sawchuk or Roy But the bottom line is if the team doesn’t get their heads out of their asses, this will continue.
One disclaimer though and I’m surprised it hasn’t been mentioned more today with all the angst, mine included. You can now see how great a fucking stud the Hoss is in the 2-way game. His complimentary play on a line different of Tazer really helps in all 3 zones. Add in Bolly looking lost sometimes (does he really miss Laddy that much? I say yes) and you have 2/3rd’s of your best 2-way guys that could score out of last nights game.
Just win the next game...!
If he makes those one or two saves
The score and therefore game is completely different. Hell he might have even finished the game. Hawks 61 is the only one arguing that the whole game is on Turco.
On that 4th goal, if Turco covers and/or Sharp does his job in front of the net, there is no goal. Plain and simple. Keith stopped his guya and he made a weak backhand shot/pass by the net. Bad play by Turco and Sharp
It’s no more all Seabrook’s fault than it is all Turco’s.
I can never understand the logic here sometimes with the “it’s the defence’s fault” for every single goal.
Sure Seabrook and Keith are paid – and handsomely well mind you – to protect their own zone and quality scoring chances from happening and for the most part they do. In the same tone, the goaltender is paid to stop the puck as well, something Turco has been atrocious at since October.
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atrocious is a bit of an exaggeration there, hawks.
This team was not supposed to live and die by its goaltending.
by Katherine215 on Dec 14, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
4 goals on 10 shots is atrocious. So is 7 goals in Calgary, 5 in San Jose, to go along with some other phenominal starts that got him the hook like against Edmonton.
He’s been bad for a while now.
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he's also had some good games
and a “goalie win” or two, as Q mentioned earlier in the season. If the rest of the team isn’t supposed to help, why bother dressing them?
by Katherine215 on Dec 14, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Los Angeles was a long time ago. I’m pretty sure Toivenen could pull a horeshoe out of his Finnish ass and come up with a game like that every once in a while.
Turco has been terrible for close to 2 months now and isn’t showing signs of any improvement – not even close.
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If odd man ruches and open shots are coming all the time
You might save some, but you will not get them all. Niemi never faced many shots, that’s why he was successful. That and he was ready to play all the time.
Crawford should have had #5 last night. If he makes it, I think they win.
Craw needs to come up with that one for sure. Although, I have a hard time shitting on a rookie netminder that had to come in a clean-up Turco’s fucking mess once again.
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can we just agree
that nearly everyone had a bad game and move on? It’s a team sport – not one guy is completely at fault for the disaster that was yesterday’s game. We can go on and on with the “ifs” and “should’ves” and nothing really changes.
by Katherine215 on Dec 14, 2010 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
Amen Hack!
Exactly the correct assessment of the night. Forget the goaltending debate, Seab’s was terrible last night. The worst I have ever seen him play. And Keith has been a turnover machine for months now. It’s time for these two to start leading by example.
And can anyone offer a reason that Q keeps playing Boyton and Culli over Hendrey on the third pairing? I don’t get the upside of this move given those two are well past any prime.
can we SERIOUSLY go back to underappreciating him now?
he was so much better before we noticed how well he had been playing
happy ninja may seem happy, but may have to kick your ass if you don't get it in gear.
by puppetmasterp on Dec 14, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
I love seabs, and it was only 1 game
I’m basing my assessment of 1 game on what I saw in that one game. I was on Hawks61 because he’s basing his assessment of 1 game on what he’s seen in Turco’s last few games. Last night was on seabs more than anyone else, but seabs will be fine.
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I’m not basing my arguement on just 1 game, it’s been 2 months since Turco has put a string of good starts together with Vancouver being the only solid one in a few weeks.
Seabrook has a bad night, but Turco and Crawford could’ve bailed him out.
Anyways, tomorrow is another game and things can change and I hope they do because the need to and fast.
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It's been a long journey but in the end it was all worth it, and I wouldn't have ever changed a thing. The feeling is so surreal, yet so real.
there were a few things in the prior game
about Seabrook’s play that irked me as well, so for me, it’s been 2 games (though last night was far worse). I guess i’m just having flashbacks to last Feb and March. We kept saying this (“he’ll be fine, he’ll go back to normal”) until it got to 6, 7, 8, 9 games of the Brent Seabrook Experience. remember that? that was not fun.
But yeah, he still gets a blank slate do-over going into next game.
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by puppetmasterp on Dec 14, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
$7k ??
Where’d that come from?
If the ’Hawks paid the Nemo $2.75M arb award, please tell me how StanBow fills out the roster.
Crawford is $800k, Turco is $1.3M, throw in a $650k guy just to make the numbers match and you have your $2.75M.
Besides Nemo last season was a benefactor of a team that played one hell of a lot better defence than we’ve seen thus far this season. He’d be struggling here too and the ’Hawks would have been 2 roster players short going into the season meaning they would have had to move another $1.5M in salary from the 09-10 squad.
Just win the next game...!
good point, I pointed this out
for his capgeek calc
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Dogshit
That is all.
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by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Dec 14, 2010 12:30 PM CST reply actions
Are Chicago sports fans the most negative in the world?
I’m beginning to think so. The season started off pretty rough (didn’t we expect it to?) but they’ve really started to get it together lately. I like the way they’ve been playing, with a couple of off games here and there. Last night’s game was awful, but it doesn’t make them the worst team in the league. Have you seen the Islanders this year? Not even worst in our division. CBJ anyone? No, they’re not perfect, and yes, they still have a lot of work to do, but some things have been going right too.
There are plenty of legitimate criticisms to go around after a game like last night, but this relentless wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth is a bit overwhelming. It was a shitty game, and now it’s over. Let’s see how they do Wednesday and take it a game at a time. Let’s see how they do when the big guns come back from injury.
I feel like we're in an episode of Lost
Stuck in a desert island and the rations are running low, hope out of sight, blah blah blah, and a few of us are starting to lose their heads. Pretty soon someone will snap and go on a ranting fit, and someone will have to grab them, shake them hard, and tell them to keep it together.
Last night even Tim Sassone got involved in a Twitter cat fight with someone I follow. Today everyone’s tempers are flaring. It’s gone a little wacky, and temperaments seem like they spike after every loss.
Next we’ll be eating each other alive or something.
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by chiblackhawks on Dec 14, 2010 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
don't eat me
i know how to season food really well
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by puppetmasterp on Dec 14, 2010 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
we'd probably still find something to complain about
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by chiblackhawks on Dec 14, 2010 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
Well, I'm Canadian ...
But the ‘Hawks are in no position to take games off anymore. If they don’t pull their heads out of their collective asses then the season will be over sooner than anyone thinks.
We’re almost at the halfway point of the season and the ’Hawks are mirred near the bottom of the standings in the Western Conference.
It’s not so much negativity as it’s looking at the light at the end of the tunnel and realizing it’s a train coming.
2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS
It's been a long journey but in the end it was all worth it, and I wouldn't have ever changed a thing. The feeling is so surreal, yet so real.
It would se SOOOOO Blackhawks to win the Cup and then miss the playoffs
The buzz is already around town…the Hawks are in trouble…
The Bulls are going to steal all the buzz McD created for the team. This sucks fucking dick.
"When I look at the net I don't see a goalie." - Pavel Bure
"When I look at the net I see 2 or 3 goalies." - Radek Dvorak.
You know what will happen if the Hawks don't make the playoffs?
We’ll all survive. Scary thought!
Honestly, we all really knew that this year was going to be hard. Most of us were pretty realistic that the question wasn’t repeating the Cup, it was just getting into the playoffs. And that’s still the question. They had a long season last year, they had to lose a bunch of players due to cap issues and bring up a lot of new guys, and they have to deal with the pressure of being the champions, both from the other teams and from the fans. No one said it was going to be easy.
In a lot of ways, this season is really just a prequel to next season. They do want to win and be competitive, but I’d rather they plan for the long term than sacrifice everything for a chance this year. I didn’t want them to bring in a bunch of rental players at the expense of bringing in young talent that needs time and seasoning. This year may be painful but regardless of how it turns out, the Blackhawks are going to be something interesting to watch next year, I would bet on it.
by rsncrntz on Dec 14, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd
You’re going to bet, but you won’t get to see it! This saddens me.
by Katherine215 on Dec 14, 2010 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
My destination might be changing, however
Ukraine is back in the running. A hockey country with prevalent internet! Fingers crossed.
Can you see the KHL?
There have been some BADASS fights over there lately.
"When I look at the net I don't see a goalie." - Pavel Bure
"When I look at the net I see 2 or 3 goalies." - Radek Dvorak.
There's one Ukranian team trying to join the KHL.
That would be awesome. Of course, I doubt I’ll have the money for much hockey, but it’s a dream!
ooh, that would be very cool!
Internet, yay!
by Katherine215 on Dec 14, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
I never thought for a second that this team would have trouble making the playoffs.
I knew another Cup run was a longshot. But when you look at the guys in our lineup its absolutely amazing that we can suck the amount of shit that we do.
"When I look at the net I don't see a goalie." - Pavel Bure
"When I look at the net I see 2 or 3 goalies." - Radek Dvorak.
I think quite a few around here were hesitant about it
Look at the TOI for our veteran guys. We knew they’d have to babysit a bunch of young guys and have to carry a lot of the burden. I don’t think any of us expected the amount of injuries those guys have taken, but that just adds onto the burden.
Yes, D2K has looked off all season, and Seabs was a hot mess last night. Look at their average TOI over the season. Keith has the league highest, and Seabrook is 9th. I’m surprised they’re not narcoleptic out on the ice at this point.
Wait?
Are you saying the CW at this blog was that the Hawks would miss the playoffs?
"When I look at the net I don't see a goalie." - Pavel Bure
"When I look at the net I see 2 or 3 goalies." - Radek Dvorak.
No, but I'm saying that it was a concern
I remember right at the begining of the season some people talking about winning the cup again, and quite a few others saying to reign that in, that we even making it into the playoffs would be a struggle.
Sharp has been bad defensively for a long time.
One used to get slapped down pretty quickly for suggusting he wasn’t the two way forward everyone said he was.
"When I look at the net I don't see a goalie." - Pavel Bure
"When I look at the net I see 2 or 3 goalies." - Radek Dvorak.
Game Summary
Last night the Chicago Blackhawks gave up 7 goals. Anyone who watched the game was left wondering how they gave up so few.
Seabrook
looking like he couldn’t walk and chew gum at the time he was looking at the slow moving bisquit his slow ass just passed and Stevie Konroyd blames the fucking ice. No dipshit, you’re $3.5M defenceman forgot to move the bisquit out of the zone just like Jack – I think I’m blowing my last chance on this team – Skille did earlier.
And thinking of the Skille play in the 1st 15 seconds where he was 2 feet from clearing the zone only to say, “oh, oh, the puck is in the back of the net”, just what in the hell was he thinking?
It’s starting to get gut wrenching to watch a full 60 minutes. I know as a team they rarely play over 40 minutes but last night had to be the worst game in 2+ seasons.
Just win the next game...!
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