The Blind Side (Not The One With Sandra Bullock)
With the NHL GM's meetings going on, one of the key issues that they've been addressing is hits to the head. It seems appropriate then that Pittsburgh Penguins asshat Matt Cooke has gone on a skull-cracking spree in the last week. Hawk fans will recall Cooke's actions against Duncan Keith earlier in the year with a dangerous hit, and Duncs didn't take too kindly to it. Observe:
Now take a gander of what Matt Cooke has been up to this week. First, his hit that sent Marc Savard off on a stretcher, and then the hit against Artem Anisimov that finally got him suspended.
There's a recurring theme here: Cooke leveling players when their heads are turned. These are predatory, dangerous hits, and the league is right to try to legislate some manner of rules to prevent them. To trust that they'll be consistent in executing them is obviously erroneous. But this type of hit needs to be eliminated. And while I am growing tired of players having to answer for their clean hits with their fists, Cooke clearly needs to answer for the havoc he's been wreaking, as there is no misconstruing the intent of these hits as anything other than violently injure another player. His elbows are often out, and the opposing player is never looking. Cooke is lucky that after his hit on Savard, he did not have to answer to Zdeno Chara, as Chara would most certainly fed him his own dick had he been in the lineup, and I'm confident he will at his earliest opportunity. I know I'll take a certain degree of pleasure in that when it happens.
Ok, I'm done with my neanderthalism on this issue. Just so I'm not misunderstood, hits to the head=BAD, fighting after clean hits=BAD, answering for dirty hits=GOOD. On the more logical side of this coin, if the NHL is looking to seriously combat the concussion issues in the league, it needs to look at the equipment that its skaters are wearing. Hockey equipment now, particularly elbow and shoulder pads, is stronger now than its ever been, because it's all made with ultra lightweight ultra stiff plastic. These hard capped pads give players an air of invincibility when delivering hits, and the results, as we're seeing above, can be devastating for the recipients of them. The NHL has no problem with setting standards for goalie equipment, or regulating that players have their jersey properly fastened to their pants to prevent injury, it should carry that through to the elbow and shoulder pads. I'm not saying that the padding needs to go back to the level of what we saw in Slap Shot, as the players themselves are bigger, stronger, and faster than they've ever been, but getting the hard-capped pads out of the game would be a step in the right direction.
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Things that result in significant chance of serious injury
really ought to be looked at… even if there is no “intent” some kind of deterrent is needed. It’s kind of like flagrant fouls in basketball (which can be called even if it was an accident, I think) and those new QB rules in the NFL. As long as the rule is well defined, it shouldn’t take much away from the game and at least avoids the more dangerous situations.
That said, being so new to the sport, I don’t feel I’m qualified to define “significant”…
so long as players don't have knives
anything should go.
that’s the basis for judging behaviour that the sport is moving away from.
Why... Why are you never funny?
fuck
i spelled it with a goddamned extra U. i’ve been up here too long
Why... Why are you never funny?
Hockey sucks!
Bring back that sport they had when I was a kid.
The name escapes me, but I vaguely recall it was played on ice and reminded me of rugby…
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 12, 2010 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
Was that some kind of Ban
funny loop thing?
I’m watching what is probably up there on your list of favs, Canadian Bacon. Hasn’t gotten any better since the last I watched it…
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 12, 2010 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
i’m confused. first of all, i hate Canadian Bacon. has that guy ever made a movie worth watching? other than Supersize Me?
second, i thought my link made sense, given the direction the replies were going, the oft-quoted movie i linked to, and the violence of the scenes in that montage.
Why... Why are you never funny?
You pulling a Ban on me???
Your link lead me to the top of the comment section on this page. I figured that was intentional.
Canadian Bacon. Yeah, that was sarcasm. What a waste of an excellent concept (until picked up and run with by South Park). Plus they disrespect the Canadian National Anthem before the hockey game scene. Better get someone on that. Must have been in Chicago.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 12, 2010 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
weird
i certainly did not mean that to recycle that joke. here it is in all its original directedness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW1Grq1r3l0
st. paddy’s is always a low-key affair for me. i’m usually recovering from my birthday, and it was my parents’ anniversary. not very conducive to the usual debauchery.
Why... Why are you never funny?
too bad you're not back in Chitown yet
you’re gonna miss out this weekend on them dying the river greener
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 12, 2010 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
dyeing
but maybe the first spelling was more appropriately appropriate
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 12, 2010 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
is there any study as to soft cap's difference?
I recall ‘soft’ capped elbow pads. As a relative short player, I ate them with regularity in the corners & slot. I am not sure they’re much better – and wonder if soft capping the gear would make a lot of difference.
by krome on Mar 12, 2010 8:48 PM CST via mobile reply actions
There's no difference
When a player is skating 20 or so mph into another player’s skull, a soft shell elbow/shoulder pad isn’t going to shit. This is b/c when the players head is either stopped or quickly accelerated causing the squishy bits inside to get scrambled.
First off; I’d say 3 of 4 hockey players do not fit their helmets correctly (including the chin strap), modify the padding inside so they look cool, or the helmets are too old/worn to provide adequate protection.
Second; hockey players start getting concussed from an early age. All the dirty hits, accidents, and injury off the ice pretty much starts around what? 14? Concussions are a problem, but they don’t start in the NHL.
Third; refs need to enforce the damn rules already in place and manage the game. I’ve seen players take runs at each other for an hour and post-whistle scrums after every whistle…then, they call a weak-ass hooking/holding penalty b/c a stick was near someone’s hand. THIS HAS GOT TO STOP.
Fourth; teams need to be reprimanded for head shots. If a Cam Janssen gets suspended for 4 games, so what? Does that hurt the blues? No. Now, if they lose their roster spot and cap hit during the suspension…now the team will have an incentive to rein in their goons and market value for Steve Ott, Matt Cooke, Downie types will plummet. They’re not a liability…a rule change that punishes the whole team by losing a roster spot for the suspension will make players of this caliber a liability.
Fifth; you outright ban head shots? Guess what fucko…now you just gave every 4th line bender an excuse to skate with their head down and stay on the ice if they get hit. You bet your ass 3rd & 4th liners will ‘take one for the team’ when they are given the opportunity. Hockey players play to win games…and depending on the game, to win at all costs. Just look at all the players turning their backs before they get hit – they’re trying to get a boarding call from the ref. Now we’ll have this jack-assery applied to head shots.
Lastly; this post was long…I apologize.
Holy generalization Batman
There’s a huge difference between getting hit by something with some give to it and a stiff piece of plastic. Kind of like why boxing gloves are soft.
Any player wearing a helmet that was made after the year 2003 cannot modify the padding on the inside. The padding is form-fitted around the head and it is impossible to trim off padding without resting your skull on hard styrofoam which I would believe is incredibly uncomfortable. The old CCM and Bauer helmets absolutely could be doctored.
Where is the scientific study that hockey players start getting concussed at age 14? This seems, I don’t know, a bit generalized.
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by El Duque's Raft on Mar 13, 2010 12:17 AM CST up reply actions
El Duque's right
There’s a big difference between a soft and a hard pad in terms of shock. Adding a little bit of give into a surface can drastically reduce the deceleration from dangerous levels; it’s the idea behind crumple zones in cars.
Why... Why are you never funny?
It's speed
Hockey players at the NHL level probably average right at 200lbs. Add in the 30 or so lbs of equipment and accelerate that mass to 20-30mph – and you have a human wrecking ball regardless of soft/hard shells on their pads. Soft pads are not a silver bullet and in order for softer pads to indeed protect the player being hit…they’d have to be huge. And since they’d be bulky, no one will use them.
Since you brought up crumple zones – you’re kinda right, but wrong piece of equipment. Having boards/glass that have give is a great tool to protect the players. Using seamless glass is nice for TV/fans – but it has little give…it hurts.
Re; Scientific study.
14 is the age where hockey becomes more competitive and physical.
I did a quick google search of “hockey scientific study checking” and this was the 1st link; http://www.exploratorium.edu/hockey/checking2.html … pretty interesting
No, I'm not wrong
A stiff layer of padding is exactly analogous to a crumple zone. While speed is a defining factor, the time in which the collision occurs is equally important for determining the danger. A crumple zone and a layer of stiff padding both absorb energy and prolong the time of the collision, which reduces the shock of the collision. I don’t have data on this, but there is the potential for a pretty significant reduction in injury with a switch to softer pads, or the addition of a relatively thin layer of stiff foam to the outside of the hard plastic parts.
Why... Why are you never funny?
Vehicular crumple zones
control how a unibody deforms in an impact. I won’t get into NHTSA regs/testing or how they go about their cost:benefit analysis – but I will say that like every other bureaucracy, it’s raft with idiocy. (I’m an ME and used to deal with these degenerates directly and indirectly)
The padding on hockey equipment is designed to deflect impacts and to spread out the force over the largest area possible. While some of the foam can absorb energy, it’s not the main purpose. Having soft pads ‘deform’ like a crumple zone is a terrible idea as the force will still be concentrated at a particular point while the focus is slow down the impact.
Having a pad that both distributes and decelerates the force would be ideal (on paper at least). But to do this, the soft pad will have to be massive b/c of the forces involved. 230lbs slamming into anything at 30mph is a lot to deal with. 230lbs @ 30mph slamming into your jaw? Forget it. Good f’n night, you’re done.
A player can have couch cushions on their shoulders, they’re still going to do a lot of damage b/c of the speed they’re traveling. It’s the rapid acceleration of head head, side-to-side/back-and-forth, that causes the concussion – not the pad material.
The only way I can see how you can effectively slow the game down is with shitty soft ice or smaller rinks.
You may be right about the padding. I wasn’t saying that I knew for a fact there would be a safety increase, merely that there’s a possibility. I stand by that.
Vehicular crumple zones do control the deformation, but they also improve safety by essentially making the deceleration more gentle, to use completely non-scientific language. By having a car deform, the deceleration is slowed from the old rigid body designs, and the impact felt by the passengers is reduced.
Why... Why are you never funny?
sorry my man - you are
there is not much crumple space room on an elbow or shoulder pad. the quarter or half inch of soft isn’t going to do much.
the boxing glove analogy others use is bad. boxing is high volume repeated hits, small differences add up.
by krome on Mar 13, 2010 2:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry, krome, I'm not
Until the research is done, you don’t have a leg to stand on saying I’m wrong. Has the research been done?
Why... Why are you never funny?
Who's "fucko"??
I agree with your 4th point. I’m not sure if your solution is definitely the right one, but it’s on the right path.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 13, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
I thought only my wife called me that
I’m impressed with her newly-discovered hockey knowledge
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 13, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
the points sound about right
I think my first significant concussion was still Jr High – maybe 11. I had to have had one (or more) every season.
by krome on Mar 13, 2010 2:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I Congree on Bad Hits
But am leary of something that makes ANY head shot a automatic penalty or suspension. Some are truely “Clean” hits, just the circumstances of the game led to a guy getting his clock cleaned. Toews missed 6 games for getting leveled on a clean hit, which warneted no penalty let alone a suspension. If a player has his head down, has the puck, is checked but not charging no elbows or cross checking, the play/hit is to seperate the puck and player, and one player forgets his name at the end, well that IS hockey.
Cooke is the type of player that gives the sport in some people (short sighted) eyes a bad name. He is hitting here for effect (injur, daze, rattle, intimidate, ect.) not for play. THIS needs to be stopped and this asshat is a good example of bad things on ice, as with that fuck stick Patrice Cormier (who should be banned for his hit)
I Like the idea of the equipment and really think it should be looked at, perhaps softer outer cover on Forearm and elbow pads, of a little weaker to not make it so easy.
Just DO NOT go to OVERKILL! This is a rough sport, shit happens, but if it happens as part of the game that is one thing, and the players are aware of the risk. But is some Jerk Off makes the head a target (Except Fisticuffs, particularly on Backes, Kesler and Crosby), the NHL/AHL/ECHL/OHL ALL of them need to come down with an iron fist, because that is not part of that game anymore, but simply dangerous conduct and one can only reason for one purpose to injur another player, no league should tolerate that (Except Backes getting his brains beat in by Burish for GP)
If it works don't go and F*** it up!
"SQUIRREL"
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Mar 12, 2010 8:57 PM CST reply actions
The OHL and it's views on hits to the head.
They {the OHL} already have instituted a system in place, by commissioner David Branch, that penalizes any player that delivers a hit to the head whether intentional or not. They may also receive a game misconduct and face further supplementary dicipline by the league.
They have taken this issue very serious and it’s about time the league did as well and cracked down on these types of hits. With that said though, there aren’t many players in the league that continue to hit players continuously in this fashion; in fact I can only name one – Matt Cooke.
Others may point to Carcillo in Philadelphia, Avery in New York, and Tootoo in Nashville as they are pests but do play the game hard but never to attempt to injure. That’s where Cooke crosses the line.
I think Bill Guerin’s comments, Cooke’s teammate, speaks volumes about the seriousness of this issue and Cooke in general.
"The Golden Goal! And Canada has - once in a lifetime - Olympic Gold!"
Congratulations to The Golden Boys- Toews, Seabrook, and Keith- for delivering the GOLD to CANADA.
Forgive me for not remembering but someone here calls him the
“Turd burglar” …….he is a piece of crap….and you guys are gonna yell at me …but skilled enforcers would eliminate his predatory behavior.
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
You are correct
Matt Cooke burgles ALL the turds.
It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.
by McClure on Mar 12, 2010 10:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Great write-up McClure
I couldn’t agree more on this epidemic. It’s definitely something the league and the player’s association have to rectify immediately and come to a conclusion.
It’s been a problem for about 2 decades now and it’s nice to see something finally getting done about. Credit Lou Lamarello and Ken Holland for getting the ball rolling and finally getting something done about this problem.
"The Golden Goal! And Canada has - once in a lifetime - Olympic Gold!"
Congratulations to The Golden Boys- Toews, Seabrook, and Keith- for delivering the GOLD to CANADA.
Yeah
I believe that’s twice this week the Caps have been on. We need Matt Walker back huh?
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 12, 2010 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
After Tuesday's goal against the Habs
I am passionately ambivalent towards Matt Walker.
Why... Why are you never funny?
Montréal, Montréal.
They must be thinking they’re going to win the Cup now that they’re in 7th. What a twisted fanbase.
"The Golden Goal! And Canada has - once in a lifetime - Olympic Gold!"
Congratulations to The Golden Boys- Toews, Seabrook, and Keith- for delivering the GOLD to CANADA.
pretty much
some guy called into Team 990 yesterday when Pierre McGuire was on and asked if he thought there was any chance the Habs could move up a couple places in seeding. you know, because if they just get the number 5 seed, that path to the Cup becomes that much easier for a team as talented as the Habs.
Why... Why are you never funny?
Especially in the East
Where the top 4 teams are dominant, and the rest are playing for a first round-exit.
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by AirTrafficAJ on Mar 13, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know how the Caps lost that game
they looked like a video game set on easy last night, just a ridiculous team. Their power play is unbelievable, they move the puck so well and they’re so fast. We can’t take any penalties tomorrow.
Gray area?
Not sure what the answer is.
Anisimov skates across the blue line with the puck and his head down. If that’s my 17-year old son, I’m cringing.
The Savard hit was terrible- much more of a cheap “crackback block” feel.
Paraphrasing the Supreme Court justice on pornography: I can’t define it, but I know it when I see it.
Still
in both of the videos, you can see that he lifts his arm up to deliver the hit with the elbow. Head down or not, you don’t go around elbowing someone who isn’t paying attention like that. It multiplies the force that gets delivered. Someone should elbow Cooke’s neanderthal ass in his cock.
He's the one they call Dr. Karpotsev...
If a player raises his forearms (which means the elbow comes up)
this is grounds for penalties and suspensions. Even leading with a stiff shoulder for the heads (which can be difficult to call) should be stopped. If a player is pulling his arms into his body to deliver a body check, that is fine, if the skater with the puck happens to turn or expose himself in the direction of the hit, well what can you do? The player attempting to hit may not beable to react before BAM! If a skater is sprinting and has his head down, provided the hitting player is not targeting the head (now here is the good paraphrase of the Supreme Court and Porn comes in) what happens happens at this point.
The burden needs to be equally on the player hitting, and the one with the puck. If the player delivering the hit, makes what “looks” like a dirty hit, well call it and make it a least a major. If the skater with the pucks intentionaly opens himself up (to take one for the team) he should also draw a penalty. If it appears as intent was to injur it MUST result in a major and match penalty, and lead to suspension.
You are not going to beable to clearly define what is and is not a clean hit in every circumstance, but make it to the point if apperance is bad and major penalties will happen, this should help the players avoid making questionable hits in the first place. But if the play just happens to a player getting his grey matter scrambled for a while, not because of either player doing anything wrong, just they way the play happened, this is going to hurt the game if you call anything near the head a penalty. Defenseman will let a skater fly by him rather than chance drawing a major penalty for accidently/unintentionaly hitting the head.
If it works don't go and F*** it up!
"SQUIRREL"
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Mar 13, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
McClure, I'm with you that something needs to be done
and I’m glad you’ve opened up the discussion, but I have a couple of questions:
If changing the padding is part of the solution, then the biggest conundrum for me is this: how do you design padding that protects the players, yet doesn’t make a player feel invincible? They’re basically wearing football pads now. If you’re suggesting adding soft padding on top of a hard shell, I’m pretty certain this won’t prevent concussions. It’s the momentum behind the hit that causes these injuries and I doubt a 1/2 inch of padding will diminish the force enough to change anything. Force = mass x acceleration. Button line, guys are bigger and faster, so there needs to be a deterrent and a soft padding on top of hard isn’t it. If you’re suggesting soft padding without a hard plastic base, then that may prevent the sense of invulnerability of these hitters, but what about the majority of players that don’t engage in this type of play? Take a guy like Sopel. He wouldn’t survive a full game in soft padding. Shit, as we’ve joked about before, hard padding isn’t even enough for him, he needs Kevlar.
I also disagree that “fighting after clean hits=BAD”. You go after my guy, I’m going after you. I don’t want you hitting my star players and if me going after you is gonna make you think twice, then that might negate hits in general. If a player doesn’t want to face the consequences, then he shouldn’t make the hit, period. You think a guy like Stralman is going to reconsider putting a hit on Kane? I think so. It’s not like the guys on the ice have the advantage of slow motion replay to determine if the hit was clean and even then there’s usually debate. It’s reactionary and a policing part of the game IMO.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 13, 2010 10:38 AM CST reply actions
CNS, you’re right about force, but you left out a key consideration. As I mentioned above, adding soft padding reduces the acceleration. Instead of an impact lasting 0.05 sec, the impact takes 0.1 sec, which is a 50% reduction in the effective force.
Why... Why are you never funny?
OH MY GOD
I just learned something. STOP IT! I vowed to cease all knowledge increases when I got my last diploma. Please don’t make me a liar.
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by AirTrafficAJ on Mar 13, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
SCIENCE!
I still like the Science! poster where the two guys have the ladder to get to the button that says “Do not touch” (or something like that).
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 13, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
Ask
And you shall receive.
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by AirTrafficAJ on Mar 13, 2010 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
That's hysterical
OK I like your old one better :/
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 13, 2010 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
I haven't read any data
but I’ll assume your 50% number is correct. Even so, I doubt that would decrease enough of the blindside force we see on many of these hits to a point where the result isn’t a player hitting the ice in a prone position. I would imagine this is when a good portion of the concussions also occur. So IMO, maybe better helmets and rules are a bigger part of the solution.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 13, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
if you used a foot of gym matt padding, sure
less than an inch of soft padding just doesn’t figure to do that much – although I’d love to see some good data from some reasonable scientific testing.
I would think Bauer or CCM/Jofa or Easton would have some. Perhaps Mission (they always seemed to have a nice ‘outside the box’ minset as to equipment design).
Unless you wrap thier heads in bubble wrap and put a NASCAR
Hans strap on…….nothing is gonna help. When the brain go bouncing around and the neck is whipped….ur fucked. At the best it is a concussion and it gets worse from there. In car accidents , blunt trama to the head and you are dealing with both short term and long term head issues. Savard will suffer from ocassionally headaches to personality changes—due to head trama
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
I complain about having to fight after clean hits a lot.
There’s not as much public outcry over it as Cooke’s cheap shots (and probably for good reason). Brouwer fighting Brown after his big hit was ridiculous. The fact the Brown didn’t get and instigator amazed me. Calling that probably would have gotten Brown a 2 game suspension for instigating with a visor and instigating in the last 5 mins.
what an elbow throwing deuchebag Matt Cooke is.....
so he hits guys with their head down, fine, but he elbows both guys in the head instead of hitting with shoulder.
Send that guy off for the rest of the year and maybe he’ll learn his lesson.
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