Where Do We Go, Where Do We Go Now?
by SamFels on Mar 15, 2010 10:10 AM CDT
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-As Kills posted last night, Brian Campbell has a broken collarbone, and could be gone anywhere from 6-12 weeks. It kind of galls me that we lose an important d-man for possibly the rest of the season, and I'll frankly shit myself is Ovechkin gets suspended even a game. I've watched the replay a couple of times now, and I don't care how red, white, and blue-tinted your glasses are, it's a straight-up dirty hit. But Ovie will flash that "I'm just an exuberant" guy routine, and skate. But whatever, that's not what I'm here to discuss.
-I'm sure there are some people who can't tie their shoes on Hawks messageboards who are claiming the Hawks won't miss Campbell at all. They probably have never gotten over the size of his paycheck. But this is a major, major problem. Will it affect the Hawks seeding? I don't think so. After this trip, the schedule is basically all non-playoff teams, aside from Phoenix and Scum on the last day (I don't care what St. Louis has been doing recently, they'll have cooled of by the time we get to them). Yes, the pitter-patter of little Canuck feet is starting to get a little louder, but again, the Hawks schedule coming up. We also saw this last year, and oh by the way did you catch the neat trick San Jose pulled this weekend? Yeah, lost to Florida at home and then Anaheim. They're also on the road for the next five.
So, where does this really come into play? Well, it depends on who you get in the playoffs. The Hawks should be able to get past any first round opponent they draw with Campbell or without. But what if Vancouver is waiting in the 2nd? Soupy played his best hockey in that same round against that same opponent last year. He's our main trap-buster, as he's better with the puck than Keith. Or what if it's Phoenix? Same problems, less talent but more discipline.
And assuming you clear that and then have to deal with Detroit/San Jose/Washington/Pittsburgh? You need to be able to get up and down the ice, and 51 Phantom is a huge part of doing that for the Hawks. Maybe he could be back by then, maybe not. Quite frankly, I'm worried.
-So what should Q do? Well, I have no doubts that he'll never consider this, but it would seem the perfect time to split up Seabrook and Keith. Your two best d-men right now are Keith and Hjalmarsson. Keith's game is not dissimilar to Campbell's, so I doubt there'd be much of an adjustment for each of them. Plus, when the game's in the last minute these days, who do you trust more to keep the opponent out, Seabs or Hammer? Move Seabrook down to the 2nd pairing with Johnsson, who has enough mobility to mostly cover for Seabrook's abstract decisions. Then hope and pray with Sopel and Hendry/Boynton/Cullimore/ohmygodithinkimightkillmyself.
Sadly, this all means Keith will not get the minutes-break he probably requires. Will he wear down again like last season? Kim Johnsson is going to play more minutes than was intended. So will Hammer, who's going to get crushed a lot. It means more of Sharp/Buff/Bolland on the point on the power play, because that's so much fun. Aye aye aye.
ANNOUNCEMENT
Let's see, Saturday night road game with no Sunday home game following it, meaning I don't have to work, and neither would McClure on a weekend....you know what that means:
Yep, we're breaking in a new, bigger space for our blog-watches, and debut The Bottom Lounge on Saturday, upstairs. It's at 1375 W. Lake. It's pretty easy to get to via CTA, I think the Clinton green/pink line stop is your best bet, but Ashland wouldn't be too far either. It's also got its own parking lot for those driving, and there'll be drink reps -- which means free and discounted booze for far too many people. The food's pretty good too, so you can come by and have dinner too. There might be some giveaways and goofy stuff as well, so please come on out, because as everyone knows, Saturday Night's good for getting a little action in.
Note: Forklift and McClure have requested that we finally call out The Fifth Feather to show themselves at one of these things. You think you're so much better than us, Bob and John? Well, actually you are by a wide fucking margin, but the point remains....
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I totally agree
with the part about splitting up Keith and Seabs. Even though his minutes would stay the same, Keith wouldn’t be having to run around like a chicken with his dick cut off covering for all of Seabs’ recent lapses. That in itself might be enough of a break to keep him fresh. I would also love to come out to a gathering finally, but unfortunately I’ll be cheering on the Hawks in person at Phoenix, though not at the team-sponsored trip.
He's the one they call Dr. Karpotsev...
Look at the bright side.
Having Cullimore fills the void for a shitty defenseman that we’ve been lacking since Matt Walker left. Maybe we should call up Danny Richmond instead. ohgodineedtogokillmyselftoo.
You just go out and play...
…and it will be up to the team as to how they want to respond.
Campbell is a loss no question, but the club is deep enough to absorb it if everyone pulls up their boot straps. So far this year, this is really the first time the club has had to deal with a decent level of adversity, and they can either let it crater them or they can use it as a way to elevate their game.
In the last 10-12 games, the Hawks have played like a team with a fragile psyche. When something hasn’t gone their way, it has lead to many leads evaporating and momentum taking a 180. Clearly, your not going anywhere in the playoffs with a lack of being resiliant, and maybe this circumstance will wake them up – we’ll see.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Campbell is a loss no question, but the club is deep enough to absorb it if everyone pulls up their boot straps.
Yes, I agree.
In the last 10-12 games, the Hawks have played like a team with a fragile psyche. When something hasn’t gone their way, it has lead to many leads evaporating and momentum taking a 180
Unfortunately, I also agree with this. I’ve remained levelheaded over the course of the season, whether it be goaltending, occasional scoring droughts, or the D being out on field trips. I just wonder if they’re going to be up to the task of righting the ship to a reasonable extent, getting their minds right, AND not burning out doing so, now that they’ve lost what everybody can agree is one of the keys to making the offense go. Bolland needs to get his shit together, and Hossa needs to get healthy, because the Hawks can no longer afford to ice a 2nd line that’s playing as inconsistently as it has been
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Mar 15, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep...
…usually, winning games in the NHL during the first half of the year is easier than the 2nd half. You have teams scrambling for playoff spots later in the year, and gunning for the teams that have the best records.
Like I said before, most clubs go into a funk at some point during the year and the important thing is how they respond. If this lead blowing trend is not something they can get by and or losing Campbell is not something they can overcome, the club was missing an important piece all along and wouldn’t deserve to win anything.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Missing Pieces...
Would we really go so far as to say that? Not disagreeing with you, as I’m not sure myself. I mean, if you build a team to play a specific style of hockey, and you lose a big part of what makes that style effective, it’s going to have some significant repercussions. Even right up until Caveman tried to put Campbell through the boards, I never thought they were truly missing anything personnel-wise regardless of the lackluster performances they were exhibiting. I’ve had lingering suspicions for awhile that Hossa had still been playing through some pain or injury, though with his play in the Olympics, I had thought he was past it. And perhaps I, along with many people, thought Bolland was going to come back in 100% game shape, and it seems we might have jumped the shark on that one too. If it doesn’t work out for the Hawks this year, I’d be tempted more to blame it on mental issues and a few unfortunate injuries.
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Mar 15, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
on the positive side of it
the team seemed to play better when they had more to prove.
Then again, wasn’t their response to that Minnesota game supposed to test their strength as a team? It’s been two months and a half since, and I don’t know if we ever really recovered from that at all.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Mar 15, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
The mental side...
…is exactly what I am referring to, not the fact that they are missing players to win a cup.
With Bolland, you have to rememeber he was out a long long time and it can take a while to get his bearings back. I don’t worry about him and I think he will improve as they reach the end of the year. I don’t know what the deal is with Hossa, but if he is not healthy, he would be a much bigger loss in my mind. Let’s hope that’s not the case.
One thing to keep in mind; the team has has fairly smooth sailing through the first 55 games of the year. As long as the hockey season is, and with the intensity these guys play, you are bound to have a period where you just can’t keep up that same level of concentration. With that said, I do think the length of their “loose play” has extended long enough, and now we will see if they can step it up after suffering some difficult losses and Campbell being out.
Again, if they are a true Stanley Cup contender, they should be able to pull it together and make a good run.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
So far this year, this is really the first time the club has had to deal with a decent level of adversity, and they can either let it crater them or they can use it as a way to elevate their game.
I’d say missing Hossa the first 3 months caused the team some adversity. Granted were stronger at the forward position, but I think the team will respond just fine and possibly even see this as a wake up call.
Big difference...
…because they knew going into the year that Hossa wouldn’t be there. Now, they have had many a game where they have blown leads and now Cambell is gone on top of it.
Again, I have a feeling the club will respond, because they are simply to deep not to. The only thing that could hold them back is the mental side, and hopefully their leadership is strong enough to prevent that from happening.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Of course it's two different scenarios
I was just simply pointing out that this was a team who I believe has faced a decent amount of adversity this season, and has responded pretty well. I really do like the idea though of moving Seabs to the second pairing and bumping up hjammer.
I don't know...
…whether I would say they have faced a decent level of adversity (until recently), because I think they have accomplished what they have so far this season for one reason – talent.
Sometimes you have grind it out and takes more than just talent. IMO, that is what they are going through right now, and I think they will respond.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
we'll get an idea of whether Captain Serious and rest of the room's leaders
are ready for prime time
Captain Serious will be tested....
……there needs to be accountabilty from some of these players who have glided for awhile. Need the Captain to call out these tools
I don’t have a problem with Sopel or Fraser who are here because of hard work and unselfishness, but aren’t blessed with the tools
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
Indeed - if the rest of the team played as much over their talent levels
we’d be a shoe in for the Cup
how many
opportunities for a wake up call does this team need before they actually grab a hold of it and right the ship?
It’s been practically since mid to late January that this funk has been going on, and there have been numerous opportunities to use as a wake up call, yet they haven’t. That’s what has me worried the most.
Is the sky falling NOW?
Our fearless blog writers have been the voice of calm and reason all season long. I’ve trusted their wisdom and tried to stay relaxed in the midst of powerplay disasters, no offense for a stretch of games, 3rd period letdowns, Olympic fatigue fears, and all the rest. But now I’m legitimately scared. Soup is a HUGE loss, not only because his particular skill set will be missing, but also because of the domino effect it will have on all the other D-men. (Except that with Q’s coaching preference, I expect he’ll leave all D pairings the same and simply plug in a substitute for Soup. Q seems to take the “how to make the least negative impact” approach when it comes to pairings.)
Ovie isn’t dirty, but he is reckless, and that means he’s dangerous. It was definitely an unnecessary hit, especially when he should have gone after the puck instead of chasing after Campbell and propelling him into the boards. Even if he “just pushed” him, there was distance that had to be made up and Ovie went after the guy. It’s not like he couldn’t pull up. Ovie won’t get anything because the league doesn’t want him out, and they’ll quote the obscure rule that Wysh is pointing out on his blog—-but Ovie should be suspended because his recklessness continues to injure other players. If this were Avery who “just pushed” Soup, you know there’d be a definite suspension.
Whatever. I’m still scared now.
This article
makes a good point about Ovie though.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/What-We-Learned-As-pattern-persists-what-to-do?urn=nhl,227983#remaining-content
He's the one they call Dr. Karpotsev...
by deathmonkey on Mar 15, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
heading out there
I’d love to join you guys on saturday night, but I’m going out to Phoenix for the game (and catching the Cubs-Sox spring training game in Glendale the day before).
Don’t expect a picture post though, It’ll be a miracle if I take more than 2 pictures while I’m out there.
Back to the matter at hand, I don’t care if it is Dunc-Seabs and Hammer-Johnsson or Dunc-Hammer and Seabs-Johnsson. Q should try both sets of pairings out and see what fits, which I’m sure he will. I’m excited to see what Johnsson is capable of while paired with either Hammer or Seabs, I expect some solid two way play.
"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."
i agree.
he’s obviously familiar with line juggling, and considering the D’s recent play…it’s probably worth shuffling things around a bit, and seeing where that takes us.
by bangbangerang on Mar 15, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I guess I will see you
for both games then. Doing the same myself.
He's the one they call Dr. Karpotsev...
by deathmonkey on Mar 15, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Hendry and Keith
Hammer and Seabrook
Johnson and Sopel
I don’t know..
"All questions must be submitted in writing"
maybe its the 3 day bender I'm coming off...
but would there be any consideration of moving Buff (not going to try and spell his name this early in the morning) back to D? That would seem to open up a spot on the fourth line so Q isn’t playing musical chairs with who he scratches each night, and maybe Buff would give more of a shit (or at the very least pretend he gives a shit) and improve his play accordingly.
by Cristobal the Cat on Mar 15, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
But then he'd be on the point
almost all of the time. Not where we need him to play, and if the puck gets by him and someone gets a breakaway, he won’t be able to do much to defend outside of throw his stick at the guy from behind center ice. He needs to park his ass in front of the goalie and stay there.
He's the one they call Dr. Karpotsev...
by deathmonkey on Mar 15, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah you wouldn't want me back there
I mean having VERSTEEG! back there would be bad, but putting me back there… let’s just say I’m 135 lbs…
Buff on D
Let’s take things slowly and start by hoping Buff just shows up to play now to work with the rest of the team to take some pressure off the D by back checking, digging, screening and working hard. Once he gets 1 or 2 of those done, let’s trade him for a solid defenseman next year. That’s the only way I want to see Buff and defenseman in the same sentence.
great idea...
splitting up Keith and Seabs. I was thinking the same thing. Though I think Jordan Hendry played alright yesterday and would work nicely on the third line.
by Cristobal the Cat on Mar 15, 2010 10:46 AM CDT reply actions
but...
..Keith and Hjammer are too similar, more of a speed game. For some reason, I like Keith/Johnsson and Seabrook/Hjammer better if you’re gonna split things up.
by cliffkoroll on Mar 15, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Interesting
I see it pretty much the opposite of that — I see Johnsson and Keith being much more similar than Keith and Hjammer, and Hjammer being more similar to Seabs. Interesting that we see them so differently.
I agree
I see it exactly the opposite, but at least it’s not a Huet/Niemi thing. I like all four (especially when the body snatchers return Seabs).
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Johnsson has more offensive skill than Seebs or Hjammer...
…but he seems like more of a “size” player, like Seebs. I know Hjameer’s 6’3" and he makes some big hits, but if it wasn’t for that stupid visor, I’d actually mistake him for Keith by the way he moves.
by cliffkoroll on Mar 15, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Right there with you.
I often mistake Hjammer for Keith out there on the ice because they do move similarly. For now, though, I view Hjammer and Seabs (when un-bodysnatched, lol) as being more physical and defense-minded than Keith and Johnsson.
Hjammer's also doesn't look as comfortable carrying the puck
as Keith and Johnsson are. I think it could definitely change as he develops and spends more time with Keith and Campbell.
by Katherine215 on Mar 15, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Hjammer still needs to fill out a little
when he does, I think we’ll see more similarity to Johnsson
Thanks for the insight
Here I was getting all excited about Sam posting exactly what I had commented in the other thread, and thinking that somehow I had managed to grow a hockey IQ overnight.
Then I realized it was just because I was using a very imperfect “eye test” to come to that conclusion, and it’s great to hear what the difference actually is. I was just figuring that Hjammer seemed to take almost as much of a beating as Sopel (but could also dish it out too), and I think it’s been pointed out before that he’s a good skater but far from being among the fastest out there.
So
assuming Hendry is a regular now do they call up a defenseman just to be a healthy scratch or do they play the I-90 game as needed?
Let's shoot ourselves in the head!!!!!
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
c'mon, c'mon. Do it! C'mon. Do it. Do it!
Kill me! Kill me! I’m here! Kill me! Do it now! C’mon
Revenge is a very very very dangerous motivation!
by thepuckstopshere on Mar 15, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing.
We’re long on forwards right now anyway, for one reason.
I really don’t know whether this is a good idea or a clusterfuck waiting to happen, but I’d be interested in hearing something a bit more in depth than CNS’ insightful commentary.
Buff’s got the speed to help cover for Sopel’s lack thereof. And while I like Hendry, I’m not sure how he fits on a regular line with what we have back there.
teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wings fan at a time.
i say clusterfuck
We’re not THAT desperate.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Mar 15, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
That was about as in depth of an answer
that 334rules’ suggestion needed. Buff on D? Hendry doesn’t fit but Sopel does?
Someone please double Q’s salary!
I'm not anti-social; I'm just not user friendly
As someone else put it on another board,
there is a reason Buff was moved from defense to forward.
The Hawks could have chosen to work with him and develop his defensive skills while taking advantage of some of the flashes of offense he showed and they chose not to. I don’t think he can skate fast enough consistently to cover for Sopel. And good lord, if he disappears as a forward, what on earth happens while playing defense?!
by Katherine215 on Mar 15, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Seems you enjoy jabbing at me
but my reply was intentionally as in depth as the comment.
I disagree that Hendry doesn’t fit into our defensive scheme. My opinion is that Sopel is the square peg fitting into a round hole. The Hawks are more of a speed, puckhandling defense able to play the transition game. We don’t have an abundance of “shut down” talent. Hendry even has the ability to fill in at forward. He has those two-way capabilities.
Buff was not good on defense. I’m not sure why everyone is suggesting we move him there? We still have six solid defensivemen. IMO Johnsson has the ability to pick up a lot of the slack left by Campbell’s absence. He’s played that role in the past, especially earlier in his career.
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Johnsson has had a lot of Top 4 time in the past
and as a UFA rental player pick up, we can grind him down all we want, right?
Its never a good idea
to grind down your Johnsson
by K_Dog on Mar 15, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Insta-rec
/Note unceasing sarcastic laughter in background.
by burpchelischili on Mar 15, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
We would need to find him first.....
He has been M.I.A..for awhile…..but I would love to see Buff rush the puck as he has shown he is capable off……….time for Buff “to get up” or “get out”
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
could it be that Buf is too fast to see at all?
nah.
Buf might have speed, but he sure doesn’t use it but 2 or 3 short bursts a year.
This isn’t an attack on you, but just the ‘Buff on D’ thing in general. Physically, I don’t think he’s a smooth enough skater to handle the defensive transition game even close enough to justify putting him back there. That said, I’m not even sure I’d be willing to try it, given the only thing we know he can be consistent with is his inconsistency. It’s bad enough seeing his out-to-lunch moments at wing, but they’ll kill you ten times as bad if they happen when he’s on defense.
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Mar 15, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
and he's said before
that switching isn’t as easy—he needs to re-train himself to skate backwards, for one thing. He also needs to always be in a higher gear when playing D, which he does very rarely. And he needs to play to his size, which he won’t.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Mar 15, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
The Hawks are forward-heavy though...
…and Buff was pretty invisiable on the fourth line. Maybe an odd shift at D to spell others wouldn’t be so bad. The alternative is 15+ minutes for Sople or wearing out the other legs.
by cliffkoroll on Mar 15, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Or this Boynton
we don’t know what he can do. he could be better than Sopel.
by Katherine215 on Mar 15, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
We don't know what he can do here
and on the 3rd pairing. Can he be worse than Buff at D?
by Katherine215 on Mar 15, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably not
plus Boynton has Buff’s size if that’s part of what everyone is craving. I understand there is an abundance of forwards, but Buff on defense probably isn’t needed nor is it the solution, again IMHO.
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Buff doesn't have the
smarts to cover up Sopel’s mistakes. Watch him play “D” on the PP – dude thinks he’s Neidermayer and is all over the offensive zone.
Soupy can do that, he has great anticipation and is arguably the most mobile d-man in the league. Buff’s anticipation of the play? Umm…you saw him take out Brouwer in OT right?
Buff belongs along the boards and in front of goalies – not starting transitions, skating the puck out of danger, or anticipating the play.
speaking of Neidermayer...
God I wish we had tried to get him before the trade deadline. I think we coulda gotten him for someone like Buf and a combo of draft picks and cannon fodder.
by Cristobal the Cat on Mar 15, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
There ya go!!!!
Using Buff and trade for a defenseman in the same thought. Only way I want to see those 2 used in a sentence together.
Ashland is FAR closer than Clinton
by GenPabloSecobar on Mar 15, 2010 11:50 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Boynton
Can anyone shed some light on this? Worthless? Better option than Sopel or Hendry? Maybe has some merit? None of the above? I know he was acquired as a depth guy (ditto Cullimore) and now they’re at a point where they need depth guys. I don’t know if it was from the other thread, or a different board, but I heard he had to pass through re-entry waivers as well?
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Mar 15, 2010 11:52 AM CDT reply actions
they just put him on re-entry waivers
haven’t seen him myself, but my guess is we probably will get to know him more now.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Mar 15, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Boynton - 6'2" 210#
1999-2000 to 2009-2010
NHL – 547 games / 33 G / 102 A / 135 pts / 810 PIM
also 165 minor league games in that stretch of time
or
Boynton – 6’1" 218# depending on the source. I’d rather see Boynton called than Cullimore. Although Cullimore is a monster, he’s arguable soft for his size and I wouldn’t want to see two slow-foots like him and Sopel on the ice together.
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
20+ minute hole...
…losing Campbell hurts so many ways.
- Heavy load for Keit, Seebs, Hjammer, Johnsson. If one of these guys break down before Soup returns, the Hawks are doomed.
- the return of an unsettling third pairing (Sopel/Hendry). Better than with Barker, and Boynton may contribute some minutes, but…
On an unrelated note, VERSTEEG! seems to have rediscovered his exclamation mark.
I wouldn't count...
…on Soup being back this year.
He is a loss, but if this loss keeps them from at least returning to the conference finals, they were already missing something more than just Campbell.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Mar 15, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry, but couldn't disagree more
small additions/subtracts can really make the difference in a capped league. Playoffs are always close, a small advantage can add up and be decisive in a long series.
I'm not anti-social; I'm just not user friendly
Is Campbell with one arm
better then anything else we got?
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
probably not
but I’m sure Sopel would be the same player he is now if he only had one arm.
He would actually be faster
More aerodynamic.
wait what?
by pepe126 on Mar 15, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
According to Bob McKenzie
who my friend is following on my behalf because I’m too wary of Twitter right now, Nick Boynton is on re-entry waivers. Unlikely, then, that anyone will be picking him up, just to be a douche. Right?
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
Right!
But I’m still holding out hope it’s not as bad as we’re fearing and Soupy will be back sooner rather than later. It’s all rainbows and puppy dogs in my little alternate reality today.
by Katherine215 on Mar 15, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I like this...
…the real reality hasn’t been too great lately?
Do I hear birds singing?
by cliffkoroll on Mar 15, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
and are those unicorns?
I like unicorns.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Mar 15, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
if you're seing unicorns right now, please share the drugs you're on
and be careful, unicorns bite and kick too.
"Now I will believe that there are unicorns..."
—William Shakespeare; The Tempest
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Then I doubt we will see them here…
/Note unceasing sarcastic laughter in background.
by burpchelischili on Mar 15, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Boynton carries a $1.5 mil Cap hit (albeit prorated @ about 17% of season remaining)
almost a $260,000 Cap hit just to be a douche at this point is not super likely
By the way...
…probably covered on the game thread, but…
…how the hell do the Caps get a goal on a delayed penalty and then still enjoy a 2-minute 5-on-3 (which they of course score on just as the penalties expired.)
In the first period, the Hawks scored on a 5-on-3. Ovi’s 5-minute didn’t come off, but the second penalty did.
Why not similar treatment of Frasier’s delayed penalty?
Because...
…it was a double minor (4 minutes) and there was still time on the first penalty (less than 2 minutes had expired.
If it had taken the Caps 2 minutes to score, than the complete double minor would have come off and it would have only been a one man advantage.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
The first penalty (on Hendry) was a double-minor, not Frasier's.
I assume the Hendry penalty was similar to Ovi’s 5:00 major (i.e. stay in even if goal is scored.)
Semin took the penalty to make it 5-on-3 in the 1st period, but when the Hawks scored, the Semin penalty came off.
It seems to me perfectly analogous that when the Caps scored on the delayed penalty, Frasier’s penalty (and not Hendry’s) should also have come off, but it didn’t.
by cliffkoroll on Mar 15, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
no - a 5 minute penalty is never wiped out by a goal
a double minor is simply two consecutive minors, and the “first on the board, first off the board” rule of wiping off minors controls.
but in general...
…if a team scores while the other team is killing a 5-on-4 double-minor, the guy stays in the box, right? This is why Hendry didn’t come out of the box. I understand that.
It’s also why Ovi’s penalty didn’t end when the Hawks scored 5-on-3 (there were 8 seconds left on Ovis and a minute and a half on Semin’s penalty, but Semin’s came off.) All of this makes sense to me.
If this is the case, I don’t see how a double-minor is any different from a 5-minute major- i.e. it never comes off the board. And I don’t see how it can be part of any “FIFO” accounting associated with multiple minors. From which I conclude that Frasier’s delayed penalty should have come off when the Caps scored.
A double minor...
…is viewed as 2 different penalities (2 – 2 minute penalities). Since the Caps scored before the 1st double minor expired, that penalty came off the board, but the 2nd minor had not started and that is why it stayed on the board.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Thank You...
…I think I get it now, but man, it still feels like the Hawks got hosed.
To confirm my new understanding:
Suppose Frasier didn’t commit a penalty and Washington scored 1 minute into the Hendry penalty. In that case, the remainder of Hendry’s first minor would have come off, and he’d have had to serve the remaining 2:00. (This is sorta what happened.)
If instead, Washington had scored 3 minute into Heandy’s penalty, he would have come out.
So, the key would have been to get Hendry’s penalty under two muinutes before Washington scored on the delayed penalty. In that case, Hensry’s second penalty would have come off. Missed by 22 seonds.
You're looking at it wrong
If there’s three guys in the penalty box, the last penalty doesn’t start until the first penalty expires or the team scores before it does. Same situation here.
I’m pretty sure that Q and company would’ve thrown a bigger fit about this if they didn’t get a sufficient explanation.
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by El Duque's Raft on Mar 15, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
correct
we were actually a cunt hair (one second) from only being one man down. The Caps scored the delayed goal with exactly 2 minutes left on the first penalty (high sticking double minor b/c Hendry (i think) drew blood). Either way, the Hawks still folded like a lawnchair after that second goal so its their own fault the Caps were able to tie it up.
by Cristobal the Cat on Mar 15, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
We'll be there
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by El Duque's Raft on Mar 15, 2010 12:33 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
and hell's coming with us
rec’d
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by Hjammer of the Gods on Mar 15, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Factoid
Kurt Russell was best man in Ted Nugent’s wedding
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
Johnny Ringo said...
“Behold the pale horse. The man who sat on him was Death… and Hell followed with him”.
This weekend was the 25th annivesary of “ThePaleRider”
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
Where do we go now?
Well St. Patrick’s day is Wednesday. So a bar would be a great idea.
Also Cinco de Mayo is fast approaching!
SCH Shoutout on Puck Daddy
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Puck-Headlines-Life-without-Campbell-Devs-Chri?urn=nhl,228053&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Thanks for the link
Here is it fixed. (yahoo is hard to link to when you post the actual address because of the commas
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Ovechkin / Campbell
ovechkin’s hit on campbell was a penalty, but should have been a minor one. a shove to the shoulder / arm… 2 min minor for roughing OR boarding…pick one, but not a major penalty, not a game misconduct, and should not even be considered as a suspendable offense. First of all, the Ovechkin is huge and fast. a hit by almost any other forward would not have created the same collision…which would lead to a different outcome…which means that it would not be recieving the same attention/punishment. we cannot hold one player to a different standard. second of all, campbell did lose a skate edge…which definitely didn’t help the situation.
its unfortunate…but we can’t roast ovechkin for playing all out, it just sucks balls that one of our guys got hurt.
if it would have been another player without the speed/force of Ovechkin…we wouldn’t even be talking about this still…
thats my point…if say, nicklas backstrom had been on the forecheck and given campbell a shove, push, check, killshot…whatever…he woudn’t have had enough force to fly into the boards even with losing an edge…
and punishing based on that creates somewhat of a double standard against ovechkins speed and strength which is comparable to NO OTHER PLAYER in the league. we’d be saying the same thing if Big Buff was involved…for example.
Speed/force had nothing to do with it
It was a push. Ovi’s arms extended. My kid could have pushed Campbell while in his prone position and it would’ve resulted in the same thing.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
speed and force had everything to do with it…
if that would have taken place in open ice…campbell would have slid 20 feet across the ice…
But it didn't
that’s why it’s called boarding. Very bad argument on your part. I don’t think you have a leg to stand on here with your position, so although I am not asking you to leave, I think your argument is futile.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
And why are you so stupid?
if the location made all the difference, then the speed and force were irrelevant.
My kid could have pushed Campbell while in his prone position and it would’ve resulted in the same thing.
Then I think some of the blame has to be on Campbell. He knew Ovie was coming, but didn’t prepare himself and his balance was off.
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by red army line on Mar 15, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
C'mon red
that’s blaming the victim. Should Campbell have expected Ovi to push him in the back? It wasn’t like Avery was behind him. I think more of Ovi than that.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
why?
track record
Gonchar
Tim Gleason
Patrick Kaleta
Peverley
Campbell
in the last year including two knee shots on Gonchar and Gleason. I know Matt Bradley fights Ovie’s fights but the league can’t protect him anymore.
tremendously tremendous
by Crease Monkey on Mar 15, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
By the way red
if you scroll down, I’m not attacking KW. I just feel that the examples he’s using for his position are bad and that his minimalizing a push in the back to a “shove to the shoulder / arm” automatically raised some ire here. My suggestion was based on the fact that he has put himself in a no-win situation.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
hockey is a game that occasionally requires players to risk being in a no-win situation
and they have to count on players exercising some restraint on “overexuberance” or “downright dirty” play.
On a humorous note (if one can be found here?)
KW’s comment that it was a "shove to the shoulder / arm" makes it sound like Ovi and Campbell were playing “slug bug”.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I suppose that argument could be made
While I don’t necessarily agree in this case, I’ve said it myself before about guys getting clocked in open ice because they had their heads down. But in this case, he no longer had the puck, and wasn’t part of the play, so likely felt less of an onus to try and protect himself. Curious about your thoughts on the hit in general, as a Caps fan?
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by Hjammer of the Gods on Mar 15, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry
I’d sorta been commenting a lot on this, and since the general idea is this was totally Ovechkin’s fault, I sorta backlashed and put it more on Campbell than it should have been.
Ovechkin made a bad play. He mistimed his hit (a half second later and Campbell is against the boards and fully balanced) and should’ve laid off because Campbell was so low. I don’t see malicious intent, so I don’t think it’s suspension-worthy (given that he’s already been suspended for reckless play this season). And given that Downie got off with nothing, that makes me even more annoyed.
Oh well. Not going to complain too much. I think he’ll still be able to take the Hart-Richard-Ross-Pearson at the very least.
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by red army line on Mar 16, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Your last line is the problem with Ovechkin and his fans
Crosby won with his team the Stanley Cup. Ovechkin is only concerned for himself. That is whay he does stupid, moronic things like the sunglasses BS at the all star game. HE wants the attention so he does things to get that attention.
The worst part is his nimrod coach lets him have the C. Green or Backstrom should have the C.
He’s going to be like Rodman (laughing)
"All questions must be submitted in writing"
Really?
Oh well. Not going to complain too much. I think he’ll still be able to take the Hart-Richard-Ross-Pearson at the very least.
So you think he’s more important to the Capitals success than Brygalov to Phoenix? Or Ryan Miller to Buffalo? What about Hendrik Sedin in Vancouver? Ever heard of this kid called Crosby?
He’ll be lucky to win anything as there are more than deserving canidates for these types of awards than Ovechkin.
As far as suspensions go, Crosby wasn’t hurt and I’ll admit Downie walked a fine line but didn’t maliciously go after him. Ovechkin did. And now Campbell is now out 7-8 weeks. Big difference.
"The Golden Goal! And Canada has - once in a lifetime - Olympic Gold!"
Congratulations to The Golden Boys- Toews, Seabrook, and Keith- for delivering the GOLD to CANADA.
So should he be off the hook because he can’t control himself? Hockey is a game of finesse. He needs to exhibit speed, strength AND control.
The rule for boarding: A boarding penalty shall be imposed on any player or goalkeeper who checks an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently in the boards.
It doesn’t say anything about the intention or the strength of the checking player. If Ovie can’t control his strength enough to not do this, that’s a problem.
Honestly, I think Ovechkin is a fascinating player, but this really does highlight that he needs a lot of work on his control. His recklessness gets in the way of amazing plays.
again, you're a total fucking moron who clearly knows nothing about hockey
I could have done this to Campbell – a Squirt player could have done that, anyone could have.
It takes no power or strngth, just timing.
he's also stupid
a hit by almost any other forward would not have created the same collision
wrong, when a player is turning like that a limp wrist slap from pierre mcguire could knock him over. When campbell was turning to his left, he was on his outside(left skate) – inside (right skate) edges digging into the ice. He is braking against his momentum taking him towards the boards, effectively creating a pivot point about those blade edges. All it takes then, is a simple shove to send someone pivoting over their skates and all that momentum is forced down into the ice, or in brian campbell’s instance, the boards.
Anyone who has learned to skate knows this sensation of turning a tight corner and how you’re vulnerable. If you get too low, your skates slide out from underneath you and you end up spinning with your skates leading (like what happens when short-track people wipe out) or if you’re too high (or get pushed) you fall shoulder first over your skate.
So… don’t be like ovechkin (that’s stupid, in case you forgot)
i agree with all that.
it wasn’t an intelligent play by any means…but it wasn’t a grusome boarding suspendable penalty.
just horrendously unfortunate.
it wasn't unfortunate
it was dirty and that’s it.
Agreed...
Dirty. It is fine to push someone gliding across the neutral zone. It is dirty to push someone who has got rid of the puck and is skating full speed towards the boards. As stated above…anyone can push someone over who is on an edge and in a turn…hockey players know the results before they do it…that is why it is dirty.
"All very successful commanders are prima donnas and must be so treated." George S. Patton
by Hawkswordofdeath on Mar 15, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
If that was Ovechkin out for the season
we’d be organizing the militia in Washington to stop the riots in the streets for only suspending a guy 2 games instead of flogging him 24 hours. Even taking your weak argument that Ovechkin is a dumb aggressive fast oaf who can’t control himself doesn’t in any way excuse him from hurting other players. In fact, he should be held MORE accountable to be in control of his actions not less in that case. It certainly does not change that play from being a textbook example of why players who do things like that should get game misconducts and suspensions. Frankly, after seeing some of the other videos, comments and suspensions for similar bonehead dirty plays, I don’t think Ovechkin gives a damn what his actions do to other players. For that alone he should be suspended long enough to give his big oaf brain some downtime to think about it.
"it wasn’t a grusome boarding suspendable penalty"
The results seem to speak for themselves. Contact while a player is in a prone position is simply, dirty.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
OK, he wasn't being offensive with his opinion
I disagree with his position, it homerism, but even I’m not going to jump him for it. Let’s all calm down. (I know, that’s coming from me of all people)
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I have no tolerance for morons who spout such bullshit
I disagree with some folk here (some on a fairly regular basis), but they aren’t morons (with very limited exceptions) and differences of opinons among intelligent, reasonable people operate on a different level.
Ignorant trolls like that deserve nothing
I hear ya
I just thought his initial statement was filled with blind homerism (everyone picks on “the Ovechkin” because he’s so big and strong), but not meant to be offensive. Definitely not a suggested entrance onto an opposing teams’s sight, especially one whose fan’s are foaming at the mouth.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
that's fine Ovechkin is making a name for himself......
….some no-name will draw a bead on him and KABOOM!!!
WAT COMES AROUND IN THIS LEAGUE USUALLY GOES AROUND
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Wow! Thanks for visiting and giving us your opinion Mike Babcock...
No go back to your batcave in Detroit.
"The Golden Goal! And Canada has - once in a lifetime - Olympic Gold!"
Congratulations to The Golden Boys- Toews, Seabrook, and Keith- for delivering the GOLD to CANADA.
Nice
Are you kidding me? That stupid song the Hawks play after goals should embarass you. And from an original six team. You borrow that from the minor leauges?
by katiebarthedoor on Mar 15, 2010 2:15 PM CDT reply actions
We did not.
And I am not embarrassed. That song has single-handedly given Luongo life long nightmares. Other opponents are visibly irked by its “doo doo doo…..” too as witness by your PMS’ing.
Pro-Tip: If you don’t like the song then shut us out.
going on another team's blog and ripping their goal song
should embarrass you.
"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."
what is she even responding to?
Getting called Scum again? Or is she confused and posting here when she meant to reply to the other thread?
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
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by chiblackhawks on Mar 15, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, totally!
let’s hope she accidentally sends an email complaining about her boss to her boss too.
Oh wait, it’s detroit.
I'm not anti-social; I'm just not user friendly
How do you know it's a she?
I’m bored, but not bored enough to look up it’s screen name.
“Katie bar the door” Mickey Redmondism
He is a cult/asshole figure here in Michigan. He likes to talk that he was tough when he played, but what I remember was he could score goals, but not much else.
"All questions must be submitted in writing"
I think "she" is still fitting
since we’re discussing our “Little Sisters of the Poor”
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
until Ms Katie learns to reply
and engage in actual discussion instead of baseless soapboxing, she will have to suffer our assumptions.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
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by chiblackhawks on Mar 15, 2010 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Is this an example of the "class"
you seem to be on a soapbox about?
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
why does she insist on coming here to pick up fights
after she all but implored everyone in WingingitinMotown not to be like us classless Hawks fans? I don’t get it.
Oh, wait.
Is this what they call hypocrisy?
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by chiblackhawks on Mar 15, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Or maybe she actually is the epitome
of “classy” in Detroit?
I’m going to impose Occam’s razor here
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
she's also possibly very confused
I checked her past comments and LOLed— one of them was obviously a comment directed to SCH:
Nice Win
Hey—Another great game on NBC for you guys. Did the refs lose this one for you also?
if only she posted it in the right place.
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by chiblackhawks on Mar 15, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't know why I bothered but I looked at her other post to that blog
and it was equally a non sequitur. Weird.
Hilarious
and the replies to her are priceless:
Do what?
? ? ? Non sequiteur.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
What I find funny about this comment...
Is that the Caps stole that same song from us.
Honestly, I think it’s a great song. It gets the fans pumped up and just sounds like it’s taunting the opposition (Luongo is a great example of that and yes, he does have nightmares about it). Better than 90% of the recycled, cliche shit that most teams use.
Please leave and go back to the SCUM boards. Thanks.
I agree
It’s not hard core rock ‘n’ roll, but it has a great vibe. Gosh, not all Hawks fans are Sox fans too. Not playing AC/DC anytime anything happens ever does not mean the Hawks’ song selection sucks.
Why... Why are you never funny?
I thought Sox fans...
…were big on Journey. I won’t tell you what we thought of Journey fans back in high school, on accounta the shitstorm that would ensue.
not all of us
i can’t even listen to that fucking song anymore.
by Hjammer of the Gods on Mar 15, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions
off topic discussion
So, I was debating this with a few people on an ESPN comment board.
What defines calling a team “five-hundred (0.500)” in hockey?
These people are arguing that a record of 15-10-10 is sub-0.500 because an OTL is a “loss”. So they would say the team’s winning percentage (and this part is true) is 0.429. I say that hockey and baseball/basketball/football is different and should be treated as such.
Since hockey is seeded based on points, that you have to convert to points to determine if a team is 0.500.
example:
41-41-0 equals 82 points obtained
0-0-82 equals 82 points obtained
I say that a team with a record of 15-10-10 is over 0.500, because they have obtained more than half of their available points (as opposed to half of their available “wins”).
Their argument is a semantics argument, mine is a numbers argument.
What say you? You aren’t going to convince me otherwise, I’m just curious as to how many people agree with me.
"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."
I look at a team being 0-0-82
as in need of a better shootout goalie
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
we could trade niemi for whoever they have
if they keep going to OT, that means he’s keeping them in the game. with our forwards, we’d win 82 easily
Why... Why are you never funny?
this is another reason to go with a 3 point per game system (3-0 reg / 2-1 OT/O split)
then .500 hockey makes sense again
that was the conclusion I came to
0.500 as it is used to define mediocrity, doesn’t apply to hockey as it is currently configured since there isn’t the same amount of total points available for every game.
As you say, the 3-2-1 system would create a better correlation between point percentage and the 0.500 number.
"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."
I'm CSN
and I approve of this comment.
I too would like to see the 3 point system. I also feel that a team that is 15-15-10 is below .500. IMO it dilutes the standings when 80% of the teams are “above .500”, but I’m sure the league enjoys this because then it gives the semblance that your team is almost never “that bad”.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
one of the things that the current system fucks up
is that some games are worth 2 points and some are worth 3.
Figuring out a “magic number” involves a lot of unnecesary speculation. A 3 point per game system eliminates all that guessing.
.500 = average...
…in most sports. Seems to me in the NHL you look at PPG league-wide (maybe 1.1.)
Any team with < 1.1 PPG is “below .500”, i.e. below average.
I agree with you
if only because this is a nice distraction from thinking about the FACT that the sky is indeed falling right now.
by HungryHungryPanda on Mar 15, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
In hockey, I think you are right
In other sports, i think they are right.
And personally, I still do not understand why you get rewarded with a point for losing a game. No other sport gets rewarded for taking more time to lose; football, baseball, and basketball all still end up with a win (a point) and a lose (no point) if they go to OT/extra innings. Ok, football can have a tie, but that is ridiculously rare.
I just think it should be 2 poitns for a win, none for a loss. then there is no question of .500, even though the NHL will never do that.
by Katherine215 on Mar 15, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
They did that...
…to assure teams would go balls out in the OT and play a wide open game (more entertaining for the fans). If you know you have a point locked up, why not go for broke and get one more?
I really don’t have a problem with this, but I do think a regulation win should be recognized more than an OT win.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Hell, a 5 point per game system could give you differnet OT & So rewards
Regulation : 5 – 0
OT : 4 – 1
SO: 3 – 2
You then always have a real incentive to win a game at whatever stage you’re playing.
Yeah, I get that
but why wouldn’t you go balls out in the OT for 2 points if the alternative is 0?
by Katherine215 on Mar 15, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
So your saying...
…both teams would get 0 points if they tied after regulation and after OT?
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
That would create
Some intense games, always having to go for broke in every game essentially.
wait what?
Well shouldn't they be trying to win every game anyway?!
I think it would give meaning to the last few minutes of regulation when the game is tied, rather than teams trying to wait out the last few minutes to get to OT and a guaranteed point.
All other major league teams (except soccer) fight it out until the bitter end – why not hockey?
by Katherine215 on Mar 15, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm saying
you get 2 points for winning the game, no matter when you win it – regulation, OT, SO. You get 0 points for losing – at the end of the game, you have 1 less goal than the other team.
by Katherine215 on Mar 15, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
All this is a compromise
from when the league switched from the W-L-T format. They just really haven’t been able to figure it out IMO and they like the fact that it makes every team look competitive.
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Right, I get the reason it was started
just not the logic of it. Whatever, it’s mainly a pet peeve of mine that we reward losing. I’m certainly not losing sleep over it.
by Katherine215 on Mar 15, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
You're trying to understand NHL logic
you’ll have a breakdown trying to figure that out.
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I know
And I look at things in black and white a lot and forget to throw in the dollar signs.
by Katherine215 on Mar 15, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Soccer????
Fuck Screw Soccer
If it works don't go and F*** it up!
"SQUIRREL"
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Mar 15, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the Olympic Gold Medal Game OT
20 minutes of 5-on-5 to decide the game. Who here would love to have an intermission followed up with at least 20 minutes of 4-on-4 before the shootout?
If the NHL would institute that then the likeliness of a shootout of even happening would be remote.
"The Golden Goal! And Canada has - once in a lifetime - Olympic Gold!"
Congratulations to The Golden Boys- Toews, Seabrook, and Keith- for delivering the GOLD to CANADA.
Well...I always like reading 2nd City...
Because you guys are cool.
Your argument has some merit my friend…just one thing,
That’s 45 games…isn’t the most available there 90 points? (…the point total from 15-10-10 is 40 points )
Just asking.
I hope Soupy is OK…
Murphy ; "You finished with the Twins against Nashville, and AV elected to keep you guys together for today, were you happy with the decision?"
Mikael Samuelsson ; " I was happy with it...Oh yeah. Sure"
um......
so, I read your post and thought, “he’s right, that isn’t half of the available points, how did that happen, my argument is shot, I’m a moron”
I seriously sat here for like 5 minutes and thought, how is this possible…….and then…..an epiphany, math isn’t vancitydan’s strong suit.
15+10+10=35 not 45, so the available points = 70 and 40/70 > 50%
I want those last 5 minutes of my life back.
"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."
But...
15 × 2 = 30, and 30 + 10 = 40….
Aw hell, now I have to get the calculator.
/Note unceasing sarcastic laughter in background.
by burpchelischili on Mar 16, 2010 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry dude…I am an eeediiiooottt. It was late…I was bored before bedtime…I had a beer…read a few posts…you know how it goes…
How could I do that.
Sorry dude!
You have my permission to point out why Henrik is “the quiet Twin” ad nauseum…with stats too!
Murphy ; "You finished with the Twins against Nashville, and AV elected to keep you guys together for today, were you happy with the decision?"
Mikael Samuelsson ; " I was happy with it...Oh yeah. Sure"
"it happens"
“What, shit?”
“Sometimes.”
"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."
Less Soup means more Slop
I would say that I was a Campbell hater last year, not because his offensive numbers were less than ideal for such a high paid player but because I did not see good defense from such a high paid player. I have seen him play harder on defense this year and in my book that is what matters. If I was a GM, my money for defense would be going to great defensive players first.
Which leads me to Sopel. I have been anti Sopel since 08, and I do not like to be anti anything. I do not like to spew negativity, but I cannot keep it in anymore. I am sorry.
I do not understand how this man remains on an NHL roster. Other than sticking up to Cam Janssen this year and blocking shots (which everyone can do, they are just not as willing,) I cannot recall a positive contribution he has made in his 3 year seems like 30 year career with the Hawks. The man frustrates me on every level. His gliding to the puck in the corners makes me scream! He fails to clear the puck more than he is successful (false stat, it just seems that way.) His shooting % is awful, his speed his awful, and he does not play with the poise of a veteran. He is a fucking slow spaz.
Anyhow that is enough. In summary the loss of Campbell all but assures us that Sopel will get significant PT in the playoffs. Fuck.
"All very successful commanders are prima donnas and must be so treated." George S. Patton
by Hawkswordofdeath on Mar 15, 2010 3:19 PM CDT reply actions
Sopel is usually great on the PK
I think that’s why Q still keeps him around. I’ll admit it can be frustrating watching him play every once in a while, especially when he gets pressured along the boards, but he’s usually not THAT bad.
I love that he’s willing to sacrifice himself to block a hard shot. You know, he actually used to be very attractive before he started playing hockey. Years of blocking shots created the man he is today.
His shooting % is awful, his speed his awful, and he does not play with the poise of a veteran.
He gets what, 1 point shot per game? I’d be concerned about shooting % if he was getting 4 or 5 good chances, but that? C’mon.
His speed is commensurate for his age and his mileage. It sucks, but it’s not his fault, and you should be looking to the organization for not replacing him, if you want to place blame.
Playing with the poise of a veteran? He gets what, 10 minutes a game, and most of it is in his own end?
Look, he’s not very good, I’m not arguing that. He’s a 6th defenseman on a team where the disparity between first and third pairing is far higher than most. He’s paid more than a 6th D-man, but talk to Dale about that. The guys doing what he can with his declining skills, and it’s about the most anyone can ask of him anymore. I’m sure any other fans would give you similar evaluations of their 6th d-men
by Hjammer of the Gods on Mar 15, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Sopel isn't bad - as far as #6 D men go.
judging him by Top 4 standards, he is a total disaster. By a #6 man standard, he is pretty good (although sort of highly paid for a #6)
Ah the enlightenment of perspective...
I have reminded myself a few times over the year of the fact that he is a 6th man and that most 6th D are slower and less athletic. And yes I do blame Tallon…I am still pissed he traded Wiz for a guy who was supposed to be good at winning faceoffs.
"All very successful commanders are prima donnas and must be so treated." George S. Patton
by Hawkswordofdeath on Mar 15, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
We had more of a center need
that a wonky 5th Dman need. I think Pahlsson helped us more than Wiz would have. Buff credited him with his own improved performance in the playoffs, so that right there makes the trade worth it in my mind.
by Katherine215 on Mar 15, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
And trading Wiz
meant Hjammer came up. I’ll take that.
by Katherine215 on Mar 15, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
His -17 sure helped as well
"All very successful commanders are prima donnas and must be so treated." George S. Patton
by Hawkswordofdeath on Mar 15, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
26 points, + 12 and 103 pim
that is 07-08 for wiz, his only “full” season for the hawks…not bad for a wonky 5th.
"All very successful commanders are prima donnas and must be so treated." George S. Patton
by Hawkswordofdeath on Mar 15, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, but he wasn't skating with Campbell
and we had a bigger need for a center at the time. I still stand by that. It paved the way for Hjammer to get called up and he’s more defensively sound than Wiz was. He can also skate with Campbell, which can’t be overstated. he may not equal the 26 points, but he wasn’t filling a need then.
don’t get me wrong, I liked Wiz, but it was better for the team.
by Katherine215 on Mar 15, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I think so too
People have compared his offensive game to Keith’s, where Keith focused on developing his defense and then his offense followed from good defensive work. i think it could be the same for Keith, and playing with Soupy will also impact this.
by Katherine215 on Mar 15, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I meant "...it could be the same for Hjammer"
by Katherine215 on Mar 15, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
The one thing I liked about Wiz
was that he never passed up a shot. When the Hawks get too pass happy I miss this simple offensive philosophy of the Wiz, “I want to be on Sports Center tonight!”
And I am not discounting Hjammer at all...
we are lucky to have another young talent. I am not saying that Wiz was a better prospect, but he was young and tough and showed some skill. My beef is with the trade. Maybe we did need help at center…but Pahlsson was not the answer. We traded a young player with potential for a rental that is a career -55. It was a bad trade.
"All very successful commanders are prima donnas and must be so treated." George S. Patton
by Hawkswordofdeath on Mar 15, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we'll have to agree to disagree
or maybe we have different definitions of good/bad trade. We needed a rental center for the playoffs, and Pahlsson was available and had Cup experience. We didn’t need what Wiz was bringing as much. That makes it a good trade in my book, as I think Pahlsson delievered as much as he was able to in the short time he played here.
by Katherine215 on Mar 15, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
You answer the question yourself:
Anyone can block shots, “they are just not as willing.” Sopel IS willing. Heart still means something in hockey, especially if you’re a #6 d-man.
teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wings fan at a time.
Heart is everything
I really do love him for shot blocking, I love any player for shot blocking. That is why Team USA will always be one of my favorite sports teams. They played with heart, toughness, and guts.
Sometimes the shot blocking does not blind my rage though.
"All very successful commanders are prima donnas and must be so treated." George S. Patton
by Hawkswordofdeath on Mar 15, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed...
He his good on the PK, but I cannot imagine Johnsson or Hendry being worse…but I am not at practice so there is a lot I do not see. And his shot blocking is great and I respect the hell out of him for that, I wish all players took the same approach.
"All very successful commanders are prima donnas and must be so treated." George S. Patton
by Hawkswordofdeath on Mar 15, 2010 3:30 PM CDT reply actions
too bad
nick Leddy isn’t ready to play, that kids a beast
Legacy of KA(i)NE
by Kaner's Revenge on Mar 15, 2010 3:31 PM CDT reply actions
curious as to the meaning of beast
in this situation. Leddy’s what, roughly Kane’s size? If it’s him on the receiving end of that hit instead of Campbell, they’re still wiping pieces of him off the boards.
by Hjammer of the Gods on Mar 15, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
haha i know
he’s too small right now, but the kid can play. he went to high school with my cousins, and he’s one of the players playing the best on Minnesota right now. Also interesting is that you have Hjammer your name and you pointed out leddy’s small size, but failed to mention that Nicklas is barely breaking the 200 club.
Legacy of KA(i)NE
by Kaner's Revenge on Mar 15, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
make no mistake
I’m not saying dude can’t play just because of his size. Hell, I’m no bigger than him and I always managed to hold my own on the ice. Actually I’m pretty excited to see if he can live up to all the scouting reports. And yeah, I think Hjalmarsson’s height/weight listing might take more liberties than anyone else on the team.
by Hjammer of the Gods on Mar 15, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
haha at 5'8" 165
I was the smallest defender on my d2 lax team by like 20 lbs and three inches, but i still wrecked kids when i played. so i always root for the little man, including Hjammer
Legacy of KA(i)NE
by Kaner's Revenge on Mar 15, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
but Hjammer is 6'3 and will fill out
Pronger was under 200 when he came up. Hjammer will fill out too.
oh
and beast was in reference to his puck control, which if it continues to develop at the level it is, will be very good which is what we lost in Campbell
Legacy of KA(i)NE
by Kaner's Revenge on Mar 15, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Ovechkin suspended 2 games
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
that will teach him.
tremendously tremendous
by Crease Monkey on Mar 15, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
lmfao
love the sarcasm
Legacy of KA(i)NE
by Kaner's Revenge on Mar 15, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Any other player...
…and I bet they get at least 5.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I dunno
The NHL sucks at suspending. Bertuzzi got like 14 games or something ridiculous like that. Didn’t even have a whole season and he paralyzed someone
Legacy of KA(i)NE
by Kaner's Revenge on Mar 15, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
the suspension time really doesn’t matter in the end. He isn’t going to change his style of play until someone Matt Cooke’s him in a vulnerable position. Maybe not even then…he never seemed like the brightest sort anyway.
tremendously tremendous
by Crease Monkey on Mar 15, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm glad you mentioned Turd Burgler...
…as an example of a guy who plays the game with malice. Ovi’s a nut, but he doesn’t strike me that way.
I thought the biggest problem was the lateness of the hit.
What's your source?
Sorry, to sound paranoid, but I am a history teacher, I like to see proof of things.
I could kiss you, Katherine! Hee.
No more watching the VS games online. And I get to see the playoffs!!
You are going to get some people excited around here :)
I am thrilled about VS too. I was seriously considering signing up for Comcast for 3 months for the playoffs. Saves me money!
by Katherine215 on Mar 15, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL! Yeah, I suppose I should tone it down.
We were thinking the same thing — getting either Comcast or Dish just for the playoffs (although I’m hopeful the Hawks will be in for a while and that we’ll be in Chicago watching some games). It’s ridiculous how happy I am that this is resolved!
WEEEEEEEE!!!!! Now I don’t have to pay for DTV and Comcast both!
/Note unceasing sarcastic laughter in background.
by burpchelischili on Mar 15, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Sha-
Zam!!!
"...about six feet from the moose's butt."
by The Fearless Freep on Mar 15, 2010 4:13 PM CDT reply actions
Fuck it all
Cranky. Anyway, I’d like to go Saturday, but may need a ride if my vision isn’t better and my son won’t go. So, if anyone from up this way (Buffalo Grove) is going, can I please get a ride with you?
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I'm an old guy, back to the Hawks after $ Bill passed away.
Not familiar w/ most of the stars in the game, Ovechkin included. Watch “Ovechkin’s Dirtiest Hits” below. My opinion: the guy’s a fucking animal (regardless of his talent) and should get a much longer suspension. He’s going to really hurt someone soon. Campbell could have easily broken his neck on that play.
http://www.complex.com/blogs/2010/03/15/cheap-shot-artist-alexander-ovechkins-dirtiest-hits/
Kinda how I feel loosing Soupy
If it works don't go and F*** it up!
"SQUIRREL"
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Mar 15, 2010 5:26 PM CDT reply actions
Did not see if it was mentioned already
But here is what Ovechkin said
Ovechkin also added, “I respect everybody. We respect everybody here in the locker room and outside, but over there (on the ice) we play for our team. We make some hard hits and sometimes you get hurt. That’s a hockey game.”
Not only reckless behavior, but attitude to suit it. I respected Ovie as a player (could not stand his God like status) but this is complete Bullshit to say, especially after seeing the results!
If it works don't go and F*** it up!
"SQUIRREL"
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Mar 15, 2010 8:28 PM CDT reply actions
Take a look at what Knuble had to say also (I don't have the link)
I love Knuble except for the fact that he went to scUM. He is what all big “power forwards” should be.
"All questions must be submitted in writing"
I love Knuble's comments
I don’t know why more Caps fans aren’t concerned from that perspective. Ovie is talented, but he does reckless things, and he risks injuring others AND himself, gets needless penalties and suspensions, and takes himself out of the game. If you want the team to succeed and Ovie to win awards, you want him to learn more judgement and control.
You know
I am not feeling good about loosing Soupy, but the extent of his injury is not why I think it was dirty. Toews missed 6 games for a clean cleansing of his sinuses.
At first I thought it was a somewhat clean hit, but unlike what the article says, it was not a shove from the side, but a PUSH from behind towards the boards. You cannot defend that (I was defending Ovie as being a bad hit, but not dirty until I watched it again). The NHL and no other Pro or Amature league can tolerate a player risking injury to another player like this. Nothing is more important than the saftey of the players, not your stats, not winning, nothing. To use he was playing to help the team as a rouze to try to legitimize this hit is sick.
Their is nothing wrong with playing hard, agrressive and with passion, up until it can seriously hurt someone else. As much as I want the Hawks to win the SC, it is not worth breaking another players head, back, arm, or leg to get it. YOU can always play for the Cup again, but something like this, you may take HIS chance for ever playing for it away for good= not worth it. I think this used to be part of something called sportsmanship.
If it works don't go and F*** it up!
"SQUIRREL"
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Mar 15, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
rec'd
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Truth.
/Note unceasing sarcastic laughter in background.
by burpchelischili on Mar 15, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
based on Ovechkin's comments
he is above sportsmanship. it’s more like “shit happens”
I'm not anti-social; I'm just not user friendly
Great post. I thought something Darren Dreger said was the most appropriate ( and normally I think he is a douche…)
Amongst other things, he said that if Ovie takes another stride there, he gets right up beside Soupy. It would have been just a relatively clean,but maybe a beat late…hockey hit.
The fact is, he ( Soupy ) must have known he was going to get drilled. He was probably OK with that. But he didn’t expect to get pushed from what was more behind than the side.
It was dirty. Ovie could have gotten more…but if you look at the recent Lapierre incident ( he got 4 games ) it is relatively appropriate.
I thought Lapierre’s was much dirtier…the guy had his arms in the air like he thought he had scored a goal ( he hit the post )…much more helpless…
Anyhow…I hope Campbell recovers. Like you said, you can always try to get to the dance again.
Taking away the guy’s right to a healthy life is another thing.
But how do you legislate sportsmanship? A cash award for the Lady Byng?
Murphy ; "You finished with the Twins against Nashville, and AV elected to keep you guys together for today, were you happy with the decision?"
Mikael Samuelsson ; " I was happy with it...Oh yeah. Sure"
There was one from NBC.com as well.
/Note unceasing sarcastic laughter in background.
by burpchelischili on Mar 16, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
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