We Can't Fight Them All Off: Hawks 2 - Ducks & Refs 4
by SamFels on Mar 18, 2010 12:39 AM CDT
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PrintThis won't be the usual game wrap, as there's too much to discuss and all the things that went on.
First off, I hope at least some people in their Wiz Wear finally realize that the namesake is an overrated deutsch bank who quite frankly costs his team more than he will ever help one. His hit was gutless and dirty and he should get a minimum five games (which is probably what we'll be without Seabrook for). Why Wiz feels the need to retaliate to what was a clean hit on Corey Perry (and why would anyone defend a cockhole like Corey Perry, even if he is your teammate?) is beyond me. So he charges, leaves his feet, and elbows someone in the head who isn't even near the puck. You could have called three minors and a major there. Instead, in a play that sees our #2 d-man probably knocked out for at least a week, we don't even get a power play.
In fact, the Ducks benefit, because we lost Keith in this mess too for seven minutes. I know some people were baying for blood (I was one) but in reality the refs are supposed to take care of that for us. Wiz should have been ejected, given a major, and we could have gone about scoring on the power play (which we probably wouldn't have anyway). I'm sure I'm going to read enough columns and comments alluding to "Hawks need a tough guy" or " The Hawks aren't tough enough" that I'm probably going to gag. By the time Wiz emerged from the box, the Hawks were down 2-1 and needed to go chasing points that are just a little too important right now to sacrifice in order to settle a score. Again, the refs should have taken care of this. (Sidenote: Though the Ducks broadcasters at first alluded to Seabrook "selling it", they did apologize for that later. So let's give them a pass on this one)
Oh but they weren't done, were they? Whether Sopel dived or not (and he did) that's still interference. If the refs deemed it a dive, then they should have gone to their usual chicken-shit tactic of calling the penalty and the dive. But how are the Ducks allowed to benefit from the blatant interference of someone who didn't have or just have the puck? Idiocy, that's how.
Anyway, observation time:
-I know it was against a team essentially with like 3 forwards, but Buff didn't look awful as a d-man. He'd better get comfortable. As badly as the Hawks need Seabrook right now, I don't want to see his brain turned to mush to do so.
-Corey Crawford was fine, except for that one hiccup. That one hiccup occurred with no actual defensemen on the ice, as Bolland and Buff were manning points on a power play. Isn't this fun?
-Bolland was again anonymous for the first two periods, if not straight-up bad, but answered the bell in the 3rd. Baby steps to the elevator I guess.
-The Hawks very well may rollout a defensive corps of Keith, Sopel, Hjalmarsson, Boynton, Hendry, Cullimore tomorrow. Duck.
-In the four games he's been back, the 4th line with Adam Burish has gotten rolled over in two of them at least. Tonight was no exception. Maybe Buff off of it will help, but it's something that needs to be fixed, and Burish heading back to the pressbox should be in play. He's also getting drilled on every faceoff he takes.
-Swiss people hate us.
-Once again, Ladd-Madden-Versteeg was the Hawks best line.
With the injuries piling up, and the losses coming more frequently, I know there's some worry creeping into all of us. However, the it's not like the Hawks have to correct all that much to have won all of these games. It's been a bad bounce here, a bad call there, one slip-up here, one great play against there. The Hawks don't have a lot of players off their game, just a couple. They don't have a raft of injuries, just one serious one and one that looks like it'll be a little while. They're still putting up 40 shots a game. It's only going to take a slight shift of fortune and play to set this ship right again. As McClure would say, "They're coming."
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It’s too bad douchniski will be out of the league the next time the Hawks face anahiem
by Ghost of Bill Wirtz on Mar 18, 2010 12:42 AM CDT reply actions
Give them a pass?
I think not. If they were that retarded to say it in the first place and only apologize when they realized they might be in a little bit of hot water for what they said, they should not get a pass.
Perhaps they can get some credit for apologizing. But they don’t deserve a pass for what they said.
by doubleohpsycho on Mar 18, 2010 12:44 AM CDT reply actions
In all fairness
They did seem to really regret that they had said that earlier (at least the color guy did) but definitely no “pass” for a stupid comment like that.
I get that they apologized and whatnot. But they were watching the same replays I was. Maybe I’m just used to it from UFC or from personal experience, but Seabrook’s lights went out. There was absolutely no doubt. Maybe I’m just used to the relative unbiased and responsible commentary from Edzo and Foley. But damn, that was just…something.
Then to claim that Seabs hit Perry’s head. It was clearly shoulder to shoulder. The impact pushed his head into the class. You can actually see his head almost to the top of the boards and the puck at his feet. Right next to the Ref’s head.
by doubleohpsycho on Mar 18, 2010 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions
fail with the picture
here’s a link
http://tinypic.com/r/258ntz4/5
by doubleohpsycho on Mar 18, 2010 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions
The biggest mistake I made today was to visit "Anaheim Calling"
Arthur from AC is defending Wiz’s hit. Seriously, did he miss the part where Wiz left his feet and led with forearms and elbows toward’s Biscuit’s melon???
I get being a homer, but yeesh, I’m still a hockey fan too. A cheap shot is a cheap shot. If Eager or Burr pulled a boneheaded move like that, I’d be pissed, because (my opinion) I don’t think the Hawks are that kind of team.
Seab’s check on Perry? Hard to tell from camera angle I’ve seen, but didn’t see 7’s elbows go up, looked like a well-placed tucked shoulder. But, also could have caught Perry’s bean. To me, could go either way, but it wasn’t an intentionally cheap shot.
And it’s taking every ounce of my being not to post some kind of reply to Arthur’s screed. Not worth getting into.
"Bullshit! You didn't convince me. let me see your REAL Toews face! "
by Sergei Skateyerassov on Mar 18, 2010 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Seabs Check on Perry
Was it clean or not? I suppose that could be debated but that’s not my point. But if Anaheim thought that was cheap, what happened to the old fashioned challenge the guy to a fight and try and send him a message that way? Charging in from the blue line and head hunting is way beyond supporting your teammate. The league is looking at putting in new rules regarding hits to the head etc. Hope they don’t use delay in getting head hunting rules out as an excuse not to suspend that fucking ass wipe for 5-10 games.
Seabs hit was unavoidable and therefore clean
I posted these screen caps on Anaheim’s Calling Blog ( http://www.anaheimcalling.com/2010/3/18/1378888/suspended-sentence )
Pic# 1 Perry is facing Seabrook
Pic# 2 Perry begins to turn
Pic# 3 Contact
This all happened in about 2 seconds. No way Seabrook could have avoided this and no penalty should have been called because Perry is the one that turned.
Competitive violence, that's why you're here!
if you check the final angle in the video, the one where they’re trying to show Perry’s reaction after he falls to the ice, you’ll see that Seabrook has to extend his arms when he sees that Perry is turning away from the check. If he kept his elbow tucked, he glances Perry at best, but by extending his arms he whacks him good between teh shoulder blades and gets that nice dribble of Perry’s head off the glass. Could’ve been a punch or forearm, not an elbow, but it certainly wasn’t shoulder to shoulder.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Mar 18, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I should note that I"m also assuming Perry did something to deserve this. I saw him blatantly elbow Keith after releasing the puck a couple of times in the 1st. But as far as eliciting a reaction out of Wisniewski (who seemed mad all night that you guys traded him to a place that ha no intention of paying him), I think the high hit was enough for this to be called a retaliation hit.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Mar 18, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
This doesn’t look clean to me, and it doesn’t look like the contact that drove Perry’s head into the glass involved a shoulder. Perry ducked the initial contact and Seabrook had the choice of not extending his arms. He chose to do it to make sure he would get him, and he ended up pushing or elbowing Perry in the back of the head or between the shoulder blades, which created the force that dribbled him off of the glass. I don’t think that’s intent to injure, but it’s definitely intent to put a high hit on a player.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Mar 18, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Convient that you left out the previous Screencap
Perry is facing Seabrook as Seabrook is going in for the hit. The real time elapsed is probably less than 2 seconds.
Competitive violence, that's why you're here!
I didn't "conveniently" anything.
Your screencap is above, I didn’t try to post mine ahead of yours. You “conveniently” chose an angle where you can’t see the contact point.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Mar 18, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
He chose to do it to make sure he would get him
I’m actually inclined to agree with this, or at least acknowledge the possibility. I’d say it’s a fairly common play to reach a bit if you find yourself caught a bit out of position on a check. He didn’t hit him too hard, Perry’s momentum seemed to be a big part in how he fell from the hit. Shit like that happens with the size and speed of these guys. That said, I would have gladly taken Seabrook getting put in the box for 2 versus him being put in the trainer’s room for the rest of the game. Sadly, it’s just another incident that begs for a uniform head-shot standard in the league.
by Hjammer of the Gods on Mar 18, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, and since you can choose NOT to do it, I’m tired of all this “2 seconds” nonsense. That’s what playing defense is!! When Pronger reached for McAmmond in the Stanley Cup Finals, I didn’t see anyone say, “Oh, he was getting beat so he instinctively reached for him and his elbow caught him in the head. He didn’t have time to make a decision.” That is the decision! You’re beat, and you either take it and skate back to get into position or you find a way to hit the guy avoiding you.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Mar 18, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
That is the decision! You’re beat, and you either take it and skate back to get into position or you find a way to hit the guy avoiding you.
I agree with this too. Did it a fair amount when I used to play. You stick out an arm, you stick out a skate, etc., and see if you can get away with it. It’s not intent to injure at all, as I’m sure you’d agree, it’s intent to slow the guy up just enough to make the play or get back into position or whatever. You just have to keep an eye on where you’re doing it and if injury could occur.
Just from a rational standpoint, I don’t know that there’s a better 30 second sequence out there to demonstrate the need for a head shot rule. If you make a borderline hit, and somebody else on the ice wants you hurt for it, there’s only a matter of time before he hurts you. The pace of the game what it is, and the players as big and fast as they are, makes it impossible to play and watch your back at the same time. Maybe not that shift, maybe not even that game, but if a guy gets the idea of payback in his head, you’re toast. Enact a uniform rule on head shots, the initial penalty gets called, the guy goes to the box, the mediocre defenseman with delusions of being a tough guy doesn’t tee off on your dome.
by Hjammer of the Gods on Mar 18, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
oh and i totally agree that this sequence supports a headshot rule, but some effective officiating would have helped, too. I think missing the first call turned the crew extremely homer for the balance of the game. We usually don’t get home calls
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Mar 18, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
That's what I was getting at
If you have a clearly defined rule for a hit like Seabrook’s, maybe, just maybe, the refs do a better job of calling that. I’d like to think they’d would be a lot more comfortable making a call on that if they didn’t have to guess what the fuck Toronto’s stance was on that particular play at that particular second. Then you guys aren’t wasting Windex wiping his brains off the glass.
by Hjammer of the Gods on Mar 18, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll reiterate that Seabrook
was lining up the hit with Perry facing him and contact was made as Perry started to turn. This could have turned out quite bad but didn’t. As far as the two seconds reference. Do they have ice (besides Meth of course) in Anaheim and have you ever skated?
Competitive violence, that's why you're here!
I’ve played defense on ice, yes. And I’ve missed guys plenty. And no, I’ve never intended to injure a guy because I reached to get him anyways and tripped him or whatever. Most of all, though, I’m not a professional hockey player, and it’s harder to read anything in terms of “quick decision making” in anything I’ve done. I don’t mind assuming Seabrook has a little more in terms of premeditation.
Seabrook was going to miss this hit if he didn’t extend his arms, plain and simple. His shoulder was not going to get it done, and Perry was going to get by him, probably with the puck. If you watch it from the side angle, you can see he misses him from what you identify as the contact point in your video. The actual contact that pushes Perry is what I showed above, and it was not shoulder to shoulder and it was not perry turning into Seabrook’s shoulder. Perry turned away, Seabrook extended his arms. I’m not saying I wouldn’t do that there. I’m not saying I wouldn’t do it to Perry, who elbowed plenty of people in this game, but I would be making a decision, and I hope an NHL player could do more with those 2 seconds than I could
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Mar 18, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
to clarify what you're saying
The refs should have called the Seabrook hit on Perry and the Seabrook hit on Perry was not clean. For the sake of avoiding nitpicking details, let me concede both points. The refs failed in this regard, and so Wisniewski went after Seabrook himself.
If I understand correctly:
The NHL has already outlawed what Wisniewski did, but because he wasn’t punished in-game and because Seabrook returned to the bench at the end of the play, he still has yet to be punished as the rule allows.
You’re saying the NHL would be correct if they suspended him, by letter of the law, but you also said:
I would be hard-pressed to say that Wisniewski did anything wrong under the circumstances.
Which leads me to wonder: in the face of incompetent officiating, are you actually condoning retaliatory head hunting (not fighting, not winning, not clean and hard hitting) as an acceptable method of policing players?
Given this:
I should note that I"m also assuming Perry did something to deserve this. I saw him blatantly elbow Keith after releasing the puck a couple of times in the 1st.
Are you really telling me that, to you, this kind of action is excusable?
Seabrook is complicit in his own injury.
That the victims of these injuries deserve to get injured?
If Perry was doing something to cause Seabrook to go after him, then why isn’t he complicit in his injury? Why does this color Seabrook’s hit on him when it makes Wisniewski’s hit justified, in your eyes? Do you see where you’re going here? It’s this sort of vindictiveness that’s helping perpetuate head hunting, and I honestly don’t believe the next time someone does this to your player you’ll be ready to say your player had it coming.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Mar 18, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
how did you guess?
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Mar 18, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I can tell
by your extreme talent of dismantling a person’s opinion, piece by piece, and then systematically proving them wrong. (Not to say anything against Arthur from Anaheim because he did a fairly good job of defending his position.) But usually, when you disagree with someone…yeah, I can tell.
sorry
I try to not be as argumentative, I really do. But I stayed away from the Ovi discussion and this is just. Yeah.
I felt so much more comfortable adjudicating than debating anyway.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Mar 18, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, first, Perry wasn’t injured. But let me go on the record as saying that ANY TIME Perry gets cheapshotted, he’s complicit in his own cheapshot. I don’t even need to see video.
Wisniewski broke the rules to exact frontier justice, because he felt a high hit wasn’t called. As a teammate, I’m sure you have to stand up for Corey Perry no matter what, so I don’t disagree with his attempt to even the score, no. I can’t say that that’s, what I called in the post, the “senseless acts of an amoral goon.” He didn’t just snap to the point where we have to bring in the police; this is certainly in the context of the game. And the letter of the law allows for him to be punished with an Interference Major and game misconduct in-game, which usually lessens the chance of a suspension. The Hawks deserved that much here.
And I also stand by the fact that a player can bring this on himself. Perry was throwing elbows into Keith in the 1st quite a bit, and while I don’t think Seabrook was trying to injure Perry, I’m sure that factored into his decision making regarding mercy. But then, that’s a retaliation the referees should nip in the bud. They have to catch the play the moment it goes too far otherwise you get a serious injury. I laid this at the feet of the referees. Everything else is frontier justice.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Mar 18, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
And I didn’t say Seabrook deserved it. I would never say that. just that he should have been expecting something, and he couldn’t have assumed it would just be Buf and Chipchura going at it.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Mar 18, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Buf going at it?
you had a shred of credibility up to that point, but you lost me there.
Seabrook’s hit on Perry was pretty iffy, and a minor for something (let’s just say roughing) would have been a very legit call.
Wiz ought ot be somewhere in 5 game suspension category for his run on Seabrook (and that 5 game territory is what I seem to be seeing as a consensu elsewhere – from non-Chicago, non-anaheim folk).
byfuglien doesn’t fight anymore? Okay, well, insert whoever would drop the gloves against one of our fighters then. If Getzlaf wasn’t already out and other forwards weren’t already injured, I think a fight could have settled the non-call on Perry is all i was saying.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Mar 18, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
No he shoudn't have
Players without the puck should NEVER expect to get reamed into the boards like that. That’s why we give out penalties for interference.
The NFL is pretty good with this kind of stuff. It’s a hard game but there’s a mutual respect between the players and the refs do their job so even though players are tackling eachother all over the place, they can play the game and not worry about some douche making an illegal hit on them. That’s what the NHL is missing.
those sorts of things are why my dad taught me to keep the stick blade to the boards and be ready to be run
I lost a lot of sticks when douchenozzles ran me (and impaled themselves) but they were worth it – I had enough concussons as it was
Confusion will be my epitaph.
at least we're clear
and of course, exacting “frontier justice” is okay, right? As long as it isn’t your guy?
You’re sound like you’re saying it is what it is, that these things happen because the refs aren’t doing their jobs—and that’s true, to an extent—but what I can’t wrap my head around is that you think it’s okay. Would it still be okay if that was Hjalmarsson running after Niedermayer if Nieds laid out Toews?
It is what it is, of course, but I can’t help wondering whether this lack of repulsion among fans and officials and players—not when it’s their guy involved—contributes somewhat to why no one in the league will do anything about it. Why stop doing it, anyway, when the guys that write your check and the guys that tell you what to do out there, and the fans that cheer for you, are always gonna have your back anyway?
That is what bothers me most with what you’ve said.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Mar 18, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Frontier Justice is like interstitial lawmaking. When the letter of the law and the officials are getting it done, it’s uncalled for. But if the refs swallow the whistles, you’ll see vigilante justice. I’m not making a Don Cherry argument about cowards not being allowed to play in the NHL or anything like that, I just don’t know another kind of NHL.
If you want to go Ducks/Hawks historically, let’s talk about Kariya. The Ducks took the so-called high road back then and never heard the end of how they were too soft to protect their star. Then when we talked about getting justice in the next game, I believe Chelios said, “try it. first thing we’ll do is go after Selanne.” Luckily the Ducks got it out of their system by brawling the Stars, but this is the NHL I know. You lose a guy, the refs let him lay out without a proper penalty, things get out of hand. I’m not resistant to change, but unless we’re talking about more effective officiating, I’m not going to condemn frontier justice and say that everyone should always take the high road. Frontier justice certainly results in stupid, unnecessary injuries, but I think those are caused the moment he ref swallows the whistle.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Mar 18, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
at least we're clear on where we both stand
and can agree to disagree.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Mar 18, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah. I’m sorry if it seems like I’m still mad about the Kariya thing, but I really still am. I mostly blame Brent Severyn, not the Hawks, but you have to consider how surreal it is for a Hawks fan to talk to me about taking the high road when Kariya was crosschecked to the face for scoring, essentially, not even for cheapshotting anyone. It seriously took me a moment to respond.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Mar 18, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
understandable, I guess
though a bit bewildering—who on either team are still playing for the Ducks or the Hawks today anyway? They’re not the same teams anymore and I guess they’ve switched roles now, but that’s pre-lockout era and things have changed since then. I wasn’t even following hockey then, so I’m afraid you won’t get the satisfaction of knowing I cheered for that sort of behavior when the tables were turned.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Mar 18, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
well, selanne did take the ice. Bob Murray did build that Hawks team, so It’s not like we’re discussing Ancient Rome here. I get it. I’m old. But I was just saying that the NHL I know, the NHL I grew up with, my subjective experience cannot possibly classify every act of frontier justice as an abomination. Not any more than a Devils fan could call every blindside hit dirty after watching Scott Stevens play in their Cup years.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Mar 18, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, and If you read the post, I said Cambell could come down on him and come down on him hard, so i actually feel pretty vindicated right now against anyone who said he wouldn’t see a suspension. Plus, I’m ecstatic that he’ll be off the ice. this is win/win for me.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Mar 18, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Frontier justice?
As enumerated above, there are a variety of options withing the bounds iof this violent game to carry out frontier justice. Even in war, there are rules.
The combination of (a) premeditation (a healthy 60-foot skate over open ice), and (b) recklessness exhibited by Wizdouchebag (very dangerous hit- lucky if it’s just a concussion) suggests to me that you are conveniently adopting a broad notion of “frontier justice” here.
He didn’t just snap to the point where we have to bring in the police; this is certainly in the context of the game.
You think Wiz charging from the point, leaving his feet and boarding Seabrook is “in the context oft he game”? Individually, those are all penalties. Throw them together like Wiz did and it’s dangerous and malicious. That is not any “game” in my book. And just because the police weren’t called, so to speak, doesn’t make it a part of the game.
by Katherine215 on Mar 18, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
That’s not a shoulder that hits Perry. If his face or head is injured on that play, regardless of whether or not Seabrook actually made contact with the face or head, it’s a Rule 46.5 Major for Elbowing. If Seabrook sees Wisniewsi coming and manages to not take even some of that hit, it probably is a normal Interference or Charging penalty. Both acts were illegal; it’s the result of the play that allows us to talk dangerous and malicious.
What i was saying is that this isn’t assault; it isn’t beyond what happens in a hockey game and what a professional hockey player risks, especially in terms of retaliation. This isn’t McSorley slashing someone in the side of the head. Wisniewski doesn’t deserve to be in cuffs for it.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Mar 18, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
He deserves to have even less teeth and to have his brains even more scrambled
Art
"All questions must be submitted in writing"
I honestly think wisniewski’s brains are already scrambled the way he plays defense
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Mar 18, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You get a rec for that
Wiz is, as we say, a Douchebag. A bag of Douche.
"All questions must be submitted in writing"
He is a yuckbucket
A bucket full of yuck. With the occasional side of hurl.
Occam's Razor keeps the cutting clean.
by russellguldin on Mar 18, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry, but I don't think the two hits can be compared
Both broke the rules, but one is far more illegal and dangerous than the other.
My problem with your statement is saying that the type of hit Wiz employed is appropriate because it isn’t in my book.
I don’t think Wiz should be in cuffs (no one here has mentioned that as far as I’ve seen), but I can’t see how that type of hit is part of the game.
by Katherine215 on Mar 18, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
i’ve never said that wiz’s hit was appropriate as to type. I may have said that retaliation was expected and appropriate, but i never said this hit was legal. Wiz was more fired up last night than usual, and that’s probably due to facing his former team. He claims he’s friends with Seabrook, so I’m not going to get into his head as to what he was thinking and why he delivered that particular hit.
However, legally, as to what an athlete consents to in the game of hockey such that you need to involve the police in the matter because an assault has been committed on the ice, this is not that.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Mar 18, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
when i said we don’t need the police, I meant literally don’t need the police. McSorley or Luis Resto don’t need the police. it was a legal evaluation, not a ‘by NHL rules’ evaluation. Of course what he did was against the rules. The post on my site has both me saying this was an illegal hit.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Mar 18, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, ok
I’m not, and haven’t been, debating the police issue with you.
Maybe my interpretation of “in the context of the game” is different than you meant it, but I took you saying that as you thought the hit was appropriate in the game. And I don’t think charging from 75 feet, leaving your feet, and leading with your elbow is approrpiate. If he’d missed, I still think the intention is wrong. If he misses, is it still a penalty?
Eh, I think it’s moot at this point.
by Katherine215 on Mar 18, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Seabs hit was arms down, near the play, etc. - at the very worst, it was slightly late.
Wiz should be looking at 5 games minimum.
Wiz already got a 2 game suspension
so I would expect 3-5, depending on whether or not the league wants to make him a poster child.
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 18, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I never said it wasn’t an illegal hit. Just that when you go high on a skill player and it doesn’t get called, things escalate. I called out the referees for not making the initial call, which an NHL official has already done, actually. And I called them out for not giving Wisniewski the 5 minute Major for Interference. Yes, I said Seabrook went high to the head by extending his arms after he knew he would initially miss Perry shoulder to shoulder, but I never said Wisniewski’s hit was clean in any way.
I’m not sayin’ I would have done it . . . but I understand.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Mar 18, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
It's insensitive
If you’re not sure, don’t comment about it. But I could care less about the announcers, I’d be more incensed about Wiz saying “I didn’t do anything wrong.”
which he did say.
and Carlyle later said Wisniewski was the first star in their mind.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
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by chiblackhawks on Mar 18, 2010 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm sad today
The events that have taken place in the last two games have brought to a breaking point, for me, a feeling that has been slowly growing for some time now, and as a result I have definitely lost some of my respect for the league and the pro game.
It’s bad enough to have these things take place, but what has really disheartened me is the response to them by the officials (both on-ice and league), the players, and the coaches involved. It seems they haven’t even the barest thread of personal integrity required to honestly & objectively view the incident, take reponsibility for their actions or accept the consequences of those actions.
The reflexive bleating by the players and coaches of “I didn’t mean to” or “I didn’t do anything wrong” displays an appaling lack of respect for themselves, other palyers and the fans of the game. And the league’s ineffectual repsonses to these incidents shows that they are either unable or unwilling to mete out punishment that will have any kind of real deterrent affect.
So, I am sad today. Because the game that I have loved so much since I was a child has been diminished in my eyes, and I don’t know when or if that can be repaired.
non se•qui•tur (nŏn sěk'wĭ-tər, -tŏŏr')
n. 1. An inference or conclusion that does not follow from the premises or
evidence.
2. A statement that does not follow logically from what preceded it.
Spelling fail
…..appalling lack of respect for themselves, other players…………
(I hate it when I fuck up the english language because of my shitty typing skills. AAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!)
non se•qui•tur (nŏn sěk'wĭ-tər, -tŏŏr')
n. 1. An inference or conclusion that does not follow from the premises or
evidence.
2. A statement that does not follow logically from what preceded it.
The worst part for me
is that Seabs used to be Wiz’s teammate. How can you intentionally try to hurt a guy you used to play with and who was (likely) your friend? What kind of person does that?
I hope to hell this finally shuts up any last remaining Wiz lover in Chicago, thought I’m sure some chump will see this hit and say we should never have let him go, Wiz is just what we need to fill the enforcer role.
by Katherine215 on Mar 18, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah.
what’s great is that Wiz called Seabs a “friend” in a post-game interview. Unbelievable. Obviously, nobody is a friend on the ice, but something like that is just disgusting. That guy is forever a toolbox. There is absolutely no need for a guy like him in the NHL. First star, my fucking ass.
by bangbangerang on Mar 18, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Right
I agree you’re not a friend while playing, but does that then make it ok to try to hurt someone? You should still have respect for a fellow player’s safety, and I’d like to think there’s a little more for someone you once played with and (I’m assuming) liked. I couldn’t imagine one of the Hawks taking a run at Marty Havlat in the same situation. I’m sure I’m naive, but still.
by Katherine215 on Mar 18, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Just to clarify
I didn’t mean my response to imply you disagreed with me, bangbangerang
by Katherine215 on Mar 18, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I listened to the call and they never really say Seabrook was selling. While Seabs was sitting on the bench getting his helmet fixed seemingly okay the analyst, while watching a replay, says something along the lines of: I can’t tell if he was hurt or selling.
Everyone has their sanctuary. The Catholics have churches, fat people have Wisconsin, and I have the United Center.
I think somebody mentioned this already
but yeah, it probably was because of the fact that he got up (and was disoriented but quite conscious) and skated to the bench… so basically, if he was selling it, he was doing a horrible job of it.
fuckwad refs
Surprised they didn’t call a 5 min major on Seabs for diving.
The announcers spent too much time
apologizing. Hell, I knew they would never claim it was a dirty hit. Although, they may have seen it and hence the repeated apoligies! Regardless, we got fucked on the call. Hope Seabrook can get back quick, but it looked like his brains got scrambled AGAIN!
Revenge is a very very very dangerous motivation!
by thepuckstopshere on Mar 18, 2010 7:20 AM CDT up reply actions
honestly
maybe five or six games of the revolving door that is Brent Seabrook as of late might allow his legs to freshen up and can go back to being one of our top defensemen.
Drink it up!
Oh and
FUCK WIZ! NEVER LIKED HIM NEVER WILL! Hes twice as stupid as Eager and has half the talent of Kopecky!
Drink it up!
Yeah
Scrambling his brains will really get him back on his game
FifthFeather.com
by El Duque's Raft on Mar 18, 2010 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Ever see Rookie of the Year?
Its going to be like that, but with more headaches and blurred vision.
Picture bloodbaths and elevator shafts
Like these murderous rhymes tight from genuine craft
I agree
the break may do HIM good but the team may be a tad lost with D. But I’d rather have him fresh by playoff time than concussed trying to get more points.
When in Rome we shall do as the Romans, when in Hell we do shots at the bar.
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Mar 18, 2010 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions
really.......I mean..........really?
a concussion may help freshen his legs, or it could really hurt his game, Dunc wasn’t the same after his concussion late last year.
This concussion, is not, under any circumstances, a good thing.
"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."
The first concussion is always bad
but the second one usually reverses all the damage of the first one. He’ll probably have super powers now. SUPER BISCUIT
Trixie please make note of his new super powers in your fan fic.
fan "fic"?
Fan fic = fiction? Who said anything about fiction? Trixie just happens to have the inside scoop!
Yeah I understand
the guys lights went out. There are degrees of concussions and personally I thought he did a DAMN good job of at least knowing where and how to get to the bench before the staff helped him. Dunc wobbled and went down and wobbled some more.
A concussion is by no means good, I understand but I am trying to not be such a pessimist like all the other rubes. also it wasn’t like Seabs was playing anyways. He pretty much handed Philly the game Saturday.
IT IS NOT GOOD but AT LEAST he will have one advantage…. REST
When in Rome we shall do as the Romans, when in Hell we do shots at the bar.
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Mar 18, 2010 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
How did Keith look
after he came back form his concussion last year? That went well for us.
tremendously tremendous
by Crease Monkey on Mar 18, 2010 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
how did Seabs look before that hit
?
When in Rome we shall do as the Romans, when in Hell we do shots at the bar.
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Mar 18, 2010 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Not a dive
The Sopel play wasn’t even close to a dive. Watch it again. He gets hit in the back while he’s off his feet. May have looked like one, but it 100% was not.
Also, FUCK WIZ. POS. He better get at least 5 games. The off-ice official put in a complaint to the league saying the refs made the wrong call on the ice (saying it wasn’t enough).
I think it's inconclusive
although I give Sopel the benefit of the doubt due to his skating ability… most anyone else falls and it’s a clear dive
I'll would love to give Catfish
the benefit of the doubt in his skating ability but, rate the dive at a 2!
Revenge is a very very very dangerous motivation!
by thepuckstopshere on Mar 18, 2010 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Curious.
Would a defenseman take a dive in a critical 2 – 2 situation with less than 7 minutes remaining and lots of pressure around the net?
It's a legit question
but somebody somewhere might be tempted to compare it to Wiz’s claim that he wouldn’t do this to a friend…
Hell
I would settle for him getting 2 games… Compaired to the Ovy hit that one was much worse and that call was balls aweful!
Drink it up!
Worse
Hit on Seabrook was worse because he skated all the way in from the blue line specifically to nail Seabs. Ovy was bad because he’s a repeat offender. This hit on Seabrook, compared one to one was much worse. IMO of course…
not sure..
I think it was a complete dive… one of the worst I’ve seen in a while actually. I think you can see him actually jump and kick his legs up after getting hit.
Of course.. that does mean that he was actually hit from behind..
Hit from behind, yes
interference, yes
Bullshit missed call, yes
(when viewed from the side angle) Sopel with a delayed exaggerated embelishment jump that is WWE worthy, yes
Happy St. Patrick's day
by BigCSouthside on Mar 18, 2010 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I know he is
I was implying that it wasn’t a dive and that only a Ducks fan would say something like that. Much like their coach said Wiz’s hit was legal.
I'm saying you're wrong.
Sopel isn’t the smoothest skater. We’ve pretty much seen that he can fall on his own without any kind of pressure. What happens when somebody actually hits him?
Hint: The answer is the “dive” you saw tonight.
We’ll just have to agree to not see it the same way then… from my point of view it looks like he jumps up and kicks his legs to embellish the call.. if you didn’t see it that way then there’s no sense in arguing about it…
I watched the replay
And then saw the Sopel interview. Definitely looks like he jumped and was then shoved down, which explains the leg “kicking” back.
Might not change your mind, but just felt like I had to throw that out there.
I agree with you
I’ve watched the replay closely and it’s clear to me that he was pushed from behind.
If you leave your feet and someone pushes you from behind you are going to go down- legs flailing- every time. That was a penalty, one of the worst non-calls I’ve not seen.
Not a dive
Have to agree with Ban. It didn’t look like a dive to me. However, I have to admit at that point in the game my adrenaline level was so elevated I’m not sure what I was seeing anymore.
Dive or no dive...
…there has to be a whistle there.
BTW- maybe Ladd shoulda considered playing the puck, instead of “defending the caveman” (rim shot.)
Bingo!
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 18, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Doesn't make sense
Why (other than stupidity) would a veteran D-man dive, late in a tied game in front of his net? Probably pushed (fouled), but couldn’t sell it.
Isn't that the definition of a wily veteran move?
Trying to work right on the edge of the rules in order to get a call or desired outcome? Having the presence of mine to put a little polish on what may or may not have been a penalty?
by Hjammer of the Gods on Mar 18, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Wily vet he is
Agreed, just saying, a vet would not risk taking a dive (take a penalty) with game in balance, unless he was pushed.
You’re just full of zingers today
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 18, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Sopel can barely skate yet alone jump on ice.
He looked like a little kid bringing his legs up to give the appearance he was jumping high
Competitive violence, that's why you're here!
you're sounding like a homer
just because it’s our team doesn’t mean they don’t do shit either. It’s bias like this that makes it so hard to be on either end of a hit/suspension debate. If Wiz were a Hawk, and Seabs the Duck, would you be saying Wiz’s hit was legal?
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Mar 18, 2010 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I would say that our guy shouldn't be hitting someone like that. It was a bad hit no matter what two teams were involved.
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
exactly
Ban was saying only a Ducks fan would say it was a dive, which I thought is stupid logic. Is he then only saying it wasn’t a dive because he’s a Blackhawks fan? Weak.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Mar 18, 2010 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions
No
That’s not what I’m saying at all. I’m saying it’s not a dive and that only someone who saw it from the other team’s point of view would think of it as one to justify the no-call. Much like the Ducks coach said Wiz’s hit was clean to justify not getting anything above a 2 minute penalty. Sopel jumped to grab the puck and was pushed down. That explains the whole “omg he kicked his legs back he dove” argument.
And no, I wouldn’t be ok if Seabs made a hit like that on Wiz. I know stupid shit when I see it and I’ll call it out whether it’s my team or not. As a matter of fact, OV is my favorite player in the NHL, above any of the Hawks, and I’ve lost so much respect for him after all the dirty hits he’s delivered this season.
"and that only someone who saw it from the other team’s point of view would think of it as one"
You’re still sounding like just because some Hawks fans think it was a dive that they’re as biased against the team as Ducks fans would be.
If you’re trying to argue the merit of the dive/non-dive, then stick it to arguments that are about the action, and don’t bring accusations against the commenter’s allegiance into it. Doesn’t help your case at all.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Mar 18, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe I'm wrong here...
Even though it did look sort of dive-y, what got me was that when the puck slid back out in front of the goal, Ladd (I’m pretty sure it was Ladd unless I remember wrong) comes in to make the retalliation hit instead of going over to play the loose puck. It kind of seems like if he would have played the puck in that case, he could have shot it back to the boards or at least away from your #3 goalie who’s already had a frustrating game.
I can imagine that the Hawks were looking for blood at that point in time, but with Ladd going over and making the hit, you’re essentially giving the Ducks a mini 5 on 3 for as long as it takes Sopel to get back up and into the play and Ladd to get back into the play.
by MrPilkington on Mar 18, 2010 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I looked at the replay a few minutes ago - wasn't Sopel starting to jump for a puck high in the air?
If I’m right about that, I have to say “no dive” – just weird timing as to where he was starting to jump & how he was hit from behind.
It looked off kilter because players usually aren’t hit while jumping for a puck above their heads.
Some article compared this to pass interference
I guess that’s a decent comparison… too bad it isn’t a penalty in hockey. That stretch of about 30 seconds leading to that play had a lot of high altitude pucks.
Really?
Where do you find stuff like that out?
The off-ice official stuff
was mentioned on the radio broadcast.
by Katherine215 on Mar 18, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Off-Ice Official?
Where can I find this? I want to read it.
by herecomethehawks77 on Mar 18, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
embelished
a veteran move to certainly draw attention. Doesn’t work when refs paying attention to babes in stands.
That is a RIOT
If the refs were paying attention, this game would have gone MUCH differently. Who are you kidding?
Maybe I'm confused at what you're saying
but HappyPony said the refs were paying attention to the babes in the stands and inferred not paying attention to the game on the ice.
by Katherine215 on Mar 18, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Oops you are right
Morning, even 930, is not my best time. :)
by Katherine215 on Mar 18, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I'm still on college time
My brain doesn’t actually wake up until noon and I have trouble making myself go to sleep before 2 am
Me too
but I’ve been out of college long enough to be over that, unfortunately.
by Katherine215 on Mar 18, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I was getting ready to fume about this game all the way home from work
but then some old guy shat his pants on the CTA and I had to deal with that for half of my commute home, which 1) served as an apt metaphor for this game, and 2) put things into perspective. I’m going to go dry-heave now, and THEN curse Wiz and the refs out some more.
When you say "deal with that"
do you mean just sit and smell it or were you somehow more involved than that?
by Scott13 on Mar 18, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Consider mine a sick mind
but I’m wondering the same thing
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 18, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
According to Fifthfeather
The off-ice official already lodged a complaint against the officiating before the game was even over.
my bad
according to troy murray in the comments section of fifth feather.
“According to Troy Murray on the WGN radiocast, the NHL’s own off-ice official filed a complaint about the refereeing before the game was even finished.”
by doubleohpsycho on Mar 18, 2010 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions
No worries.
The refs will probably get a slap on the wrists and be told to do better next time. There’s no justice in the NHL. Even somebody that only started watching hockey a week ago can tell you that.
Defensive pairings
I can see (well, kind of) the reasoning behind the patchwork defensive pairings today, but I really have to wonder if we might be better off moving Hjammer up to the first pair, especially if we’re not worrying about covering for Buff tomorrow.
You mean from a handedness perspective?
I think somebody posted something before about how that was overrated, but I wouldn’t know… but even if it wasn’t, would it be that big a deal at a time like this? I guess I was more bringing up the question of balancing out the pairings or stacking them so that you can play matchups and not have holes on every pair.
Most competent left shooting D men can play right side
there are too many left shooting D compared to right shooters, so you just sort of have to learn to line up either way.
It's more of a factor
on the PP (although again, that’s open for debate)
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 18, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
you need a solid guy paired with Buf if you're gonna keep him back there
I got a lot of shit for suggesting Buf move back to D but with the exception of the shorthanded goal, and maybe one other play he didn’t get burned. In fact I thought he skated pretty well, and he used his stick well to break up a number of plays. Frankly, I say he should move back there for the next few games until Seabs comes back.
As for Seabrook, hopefully he is okay and maybe that hit reset his brain (like kicking a computer) back to where it was when he was playing well.
by Cristobal the Cat on Mar 18, 2010 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Is it just me...
…or does this story start out with its head up its proverbial ass in terms of focus? I realize the botched play by Crawford as he skated out to mid-Missouri to play the puck was poor judgement, but is the goaltending (non)debate that has raged on really the story of the game this evening? Last I checked, there was a zebra or two sniffing their own tail at some pretty important points.
Also, a big “fuck-a you-a” to Honas Jiller for being…well…awesome when the headdress comes to town. He’s now officially a “Settler” in my opinion along with wieners like Selanne and Erat for sending Blackhawks on the Trail of Tears.
Anyway, here’s the story: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/hockey/blackhawks/ct-spt-0318-blackhawks-ducks-chicago—20100317-16,0,3240502.story
by ProbertandErnie on Mar 18, 2010 1:06 AM CDT reply actions
It's a good thing they changed the headline
It was a lot worse before (I think I linked to the same article in the GDT).
What was it before?
I think Crawford actually played a pretty good game. I had the (mis)fortune of sitting on the glass behind the Scum bench during last year’s game 4. I couldn’t believe how much Crawford looked scared shitless as he skated past us to take over in net (not that I wouldn’t let a turtle head poke if I were called up to play Scum in the playoffs). I thought he definitely seemed more confident in the bigs tonight. The clean goal from the slot was Dunc’s misplay in my opinion. He overplayed the player behind the net and paid for it by leaving the slot open. He can’t score from back there, Dunc. The guy streaking through the slot, however…
by ProbertandErnie on Mar 18, 2010 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, it was a different article
but also way off focus: “Crawford thrown into Hawks goalie mix”
Agreed on Crawford though. He really manned up after his mistake and made some really good saves when he could’ve folded.
at least Alberta is getting some good press in that photo
I’m just trying to be as positive as possible about losing our second D man in less than a week
by Cristobal the Cat on Mar 18, 2010 2:03 AM CDT up reply actions
its not her fault she is a stupid cunt
And the guy three spots to the left looks like someone I saw on “To Catch A Predator”
by Cristobal the Cat on Mar 18, 2010 2:18 AM CDT up reply actions
cunt is the wrong term for her
she has neither the depth nor the warmth
by krome on Mar 18, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are you kidding me???
“He’s one of my really close friends,” Wisniewski said of Seabrook. "You don’t like to see that. I thought he had the puck so I finished my check. I was already down there, so I pinched in and that’s what happened.
If
by “pinched in” you mean “skated at full speed from damn near the blue line and hit the fucker as hard and high as I could”, then yes Wiz, you’re so right. We apologize.
teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wings fan at a time.
No
No I can’t. Be a fucking man Wiz. Own it. You were pissed that Seabs hit one of your guys and went to get some payback. Own it. Acting like you had no other intent than to finish a check, when everyone knows you wanted to run him though the boards just makes you a dick.
GD I that mother fucker is a prick.
Fuck the refs
Fuck Wiz. Fuck the NHL. Fuck Perry. Fuck Ryan. Fuck the Ducks.
Fucking joke of a game if I’ve ever seen one. How the FUCK can you miss so many obvious calls? Jesus fucking Christ. What a fucking joke. I’m so fucking pissed right now. I know refs are the typical excuse for losing a game, but how fucking blind can they be?
The team played well. Refs bent us over and gave it to us hard. How can the Ducks as a team feel happy about a win they were basically handed? Talk about fucking gutless.
Fuck, fuck, fuck. And fuck.
Troy Murray
Had about the same reaction.
teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wings fan at a time.
I wish I could've heard that
instead I was watching on TV, so I got to hear Foley & Edzo’s indignation, but not Murray’s.
Q dropped at least 10 F bombs
does anyone have video of his postgame comments? I’d like to hear what he has to say.
by Cristobal the Cat on Mar 18, 2010 2:19 AM CDT up reply actions
here's the link
http://blackhawks.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?catid=690&id=63142
Q’s “questionable?!(#$&” face right at the beginning is pretty epic.
Keith's postgame video
shows that he’s pretty pissed too. Someone asked him about questionable hits & how common it’s becoming for the Hawks & what they should do, and his response was “Maybe just start doing it back, I guess, just start hitting from behind a little bit.”
Noooo Duncs, that’s how you start descending into the dark side!
I can never tell when Duncan Keith is trying to make a joke.
His face is just like that all of the time. He’d probably fit in quite well on SCH, haha, given our issues with detecting sarcasm.
Keith looked massively upset throughout that entire interview.
by doubleohpsycho on Mar 18, 2010 2:43 AM CDT up reply actions
he was so sad :(
“he’s my D partner and I know he’d do it for me”
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Mar 18, 2010 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm sad that he's sad.
Hell, I should change my name from sportsgal to SadPandaGal. The last few days have been brutal for me.
"Another successful interaction with a man!" - Liz Lemon
Me too!
He looked like he was shocked, either that Seabs got hurt or that it would be Wiz doing it. Maybe both. And like he didn’t know what the game was coming to these days. Maybe I am projecting my own feelings, I don’t know, but he definitely looked sad.
gmh, I think he was trying for sarcasm, in a Duncan Keith sort of way.
by Katherine215 on Mar 18, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sad that he's forced to think that way...
…the guy epitomizes everything that is best about the game.
This too shall pass.
Actually, I was impressed with his lack of mumbling
Maybe giving into his anger lets him enunciate better…
And it looks like
his brain is about to EXPLODE out of his forehead…I know I know it’s the TV…but he looks like Dr. Q-Brain!
“Ever see that scene in Scanners when that dude’s head blew up?”
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Can somebody PLEASE explain to me...
Why the Ducks fans booed Hossa every time he touched the puck? The shit blew my mind. Is there a legitimate reason or are they just the stupidest, most mindless fans to have ever existed?
Don't hold it againt them
They boo everything that isn’t a “triple deke” or “flying V”. Blame Gordon Bombay.
by ProbertandErnie on Mar 18, 2010 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions
bombay was a hawk….
Rock Over London
Rock on Chicago
Diet Pepsi
Uh-Huh!
by Campbell32 on Mar 18, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
My guess is something between them and the Wings in last years playoffs. Can’t find anything, unless they’re mad because he scored against them. He’s been in the East the rest of his career, so I don’t see how they can have a gripe against him otherwise. Maybe it was from before, vetoed a trade or something.
I should be asleep
but to put things in perspective, despite desperately needing some serious rest (for a job interview), I’m feeling sleepless over a team I never used to follow until a few months ago… I think that speaks a lot to how amazing the Hawks are and, in a way, how inspirational their performance on the ice has been this season.
I could be a good Chicago sports fan and cry out about the sky falling, and sure — I’m disappointed that they haven’t come up big as of late. Say what you want about growing pairs of things or stepping up, but this team isn’t just having it taken to them; they’re being screwed with by the hockey gods, and when it gets to this kind of level it’s kind of hard to expect a response right away.
I’m glad Sam is choosing to go with the voice of reason, and as Q pointed out in his postgame, we played a decent game (especially for the first game of a back-to-back), and my eye test at least told me that we’re generating more offense than we have in some games as of late, and we just ran into the wall that is Hiller.
Something tells me that this team has something in their tank saved up for the playoffs, and if you think about it, their leadership (Toews, Madden, coach Q, etc) has always been the quiet, keep-your-head-together kind of leadership. I think that’ll pay dividends soon as the proverbial water finds its level, sans any dumb suspensions that could have resulted from the all-out line brawl we all wished we got at the end. We know what this team is capable of, and while the signs are being overshadowed by the injuries, things are definitely all moving in the right direction (goalies, offense… what’s left of the D). The boys will be playing with fire coming out of their asses come playoff time.
Sorry about the rant. Just needed to get that off my chest so that I could actually sleep.
I think that’ll pay dividends soon as the proverbial water finds its level
Not if the refs have anything to say about it.
How did the interview go?
/Note unceasing sarcastic laughter in background.
by burpchelischili on Mar 18, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, it's tomorrow
I guess I mentioned that in the GDT. It’s just I’ve been getting 4, 5 hours of sleep a night and had been hoping to make it up mid-week so I could actually prep for it.
After this game, I’m not going to be able to resist watching tonight. I don’t have a DVR. FML.
Now you see why we despise the Ducks so much.
Perry’s the biggest piece of shit. I was pulling for you guys to eek out the win.
by OtherKid on Mar 18, 2010 1:29 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
really? WTMF
Wisniewski was asked if he thought the NHL would suspend him. Ovechkin was given two games for the Campbell incident Sunday.
“I hope not,” Wisniewski said. “I didn’t do anything wrong. The result of what happened isn’t good, but there wasn’t anything wrong that I did.”
Second City Hockey
RETARDED!!!!
Obviously there is something wrong with what you did Wiz-douche-ski, you got a fucking penalty!! This is yet another example of the NHL trying to “send a message” and completely fucking up the opportunity to do so. Ovie’s 2 game suspension sends one message “the NHL punishment system is retarded and its possible for players to play dirty without any consequences”.
5 biggest problems in the NHL:
1. Gary Bettman
2. Completely fucked up punishment system
3. Sydney Crosby’s lips
4. A TV contract w/ Versus
5. Gary Bettman
by Cristobal the Cat on Mar 18, 2010 2:13 AM CDT up reply actions
the idiocy of that comment makes my head hurt.
He even blames their height difference as the cause of the injury.
“I’m 5-foot-11 and he’s 6-3. What happened was that my face hit his face.”
He forgot to add that his elbow just happened to push Seabs head into the glass. Obviously, he just wanted Seabs to notice him all the way down there.
That's Wiz all over
Looking at his stats vs. others’ stats, showing how he’s better or he’s disadvantaged, or how he deserves more money or leniency. If you had the chance to talk to that toolbox while he was here, all you’d have heard is how much better his stats make him than his teammates. Oh, and if that’s how he treats a friend, then I hope I never fucking know the guy.
Occam's Razor keeps the cutting clean.
by russellguldin on Mar 18, 2010 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually
I found Bur to be a really down-to-earth guy. Maybe I caught him on a good night, or you caught him on a bad night, but he was really cool with my buds and me earlier this year.
Occam's Razor keeps the cutting clean.
by russellguldin on Mar 18, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Nothing wrong with what I did?
aside from:
left your feet
hit a player without the puck, with no intention of playing the puck yourself (and he also said “I thought he had the puck so I finished my check” bullshit, you could have been in the upper level across the stadium and still been able to see that the puck was 2 stick lengths away from seabrook)
Intent:
Wiz: 5’11"
Seabrook: 6’3"
Im sorry, you dont hit someone in the head who is 4 inches taller then you unless you mean to. It doesnt seem like much, but if you were just “finishing a check” it would not require the range of motion necessary to hit someone taller in the head and You dont have to leave your feet to finish a check properly.
NHL better suspend him, especially since one of the top NHL stories on yahoo sports lately has been “NHL wants to impose head shots rule now”…step up and send a message now NHL
Happy St. Patrick's day
by BigCSouthside on Mar 18, 2010 2:20 AM CDT up reply actions
If you can't tell whether or not a player has possession of the puck
then you had better get your fucking ass back to juniors and learn how to see the puck, you crusty douchenozzle.
Occam's Razor keeps the cutting clean.
by russellguldin on Mar 18, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Strap Ovie and Wiz to the front of 2 Zamboni's
Then play bumper cars on the ice. Afterwards tell em both, look I didn’t mean to hurt anyone. We were just playing bumper cars.
What the FUCK is the proper suspension for coming in from the blue line, charging all the way, jumping off your skates and hitting a guys head into the glass who doesn’t have the puck? The NHL will be judged by this one as there is NO doubt as to intent here.
He better get at LEAST 5 games, I’m hoping for 10..
If I were the NHL, I'd double the suspension for 'cluelessness'
and order him straped into a chair a la “Clockwork Orange” to be shown the Pee Wee level introducion to checking video series until he sceamed for mercy.
What did you really expect the guy to say prior to his hearing?
“I’m guilty, I’m a douchebag headhunter, suspend me for the season”?
Yeah, I guess I would’ve liked him to say that too ;)
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 18, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Disgusting
Ok, I get the fact that hockey polices itself like no other sport. Eye for an eye, stick up for your teammates, the players settle things on the ice. But for the love of God, can someone explain to me what the deal is (not just this incident) with players looking to “retaliate” for a clean, hard hit? Seabrook hit Perry clean and on time, and Wisniewski feels like it’s his duty to run him for it? Sickening. I could maybe see it if we were talking about a younger guy getting caught up in it and not knowing any better, or a recent acquisition trying to endear himself to his new teammates, but that? And then to add insult to injury by saying “I didn’t do anything wrong”? 3rd-degree douchebag, right there.
The call on the ice was atrocious and gutless. Yeah, this isn’t the first time that someone’s gotten away with a cheap shot after a clean hit, and I know it won’t be the last, but what the refs did tonight didn’t just help Anaheim win a game. They gave the next asshole a license to do the same, or worse. I’m not sure how much worse it gets than leaving your feet to deliver a head shot at full speed, though. Two-handed slash to the back of the neck, maybe? Hope the league has the stones to deliver a fitting punishment, though that doesn’t take the L away.
Thumbs up to Crawford for a good job tonight, and to Boynton for his performance too (welcome to Chicago). Here’s hoping Biscuit isn’t out for too long.
"Eighty-five percent of the fuckin' world's working. The other fifteen come out here." - Lee Elia
by TenMinuteMisconduct on Mar 18, 2010 2:18 AM CDT reply actions
Listening to Q
It really seems like he ordered from high not to retaliate.
good.
the hit happened with a lot of time left in a very winnable game, and I think the risk of having the game devolve into a series of cheap shots/retaliation plays was too high. for better or worse, that’s not our style (the Ducks are a different story), and losing one player on the night was bad enough.
Exactly
Hawks had a helluva lot more to lose than the Douches. They played it smart, but it had to be fucking killing them.
teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wings fan at a time.
Q's a classy coach
I’m kinda glad he’s like that most of the time. This time is no exception, especially with how the refs were today. Imagine what would have happened if one of our players did something wrong.
yeah i was surprised
with Burish and Eager out there that there weren’t more fights later in the game (props to Boynton for throwing down the gloves when 3 Ducks tried to gang rape VERSTEEG! at the end of the game). By the way, Fuck Wiz for keeping his visor on during that like the douche he is.
by Cristobal the Cat on Mar 18, 2010 2:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Ditto on the visor.........
and why is Versteeg! the enforcer on this team?
I am not asking for "Noodle Arms " Kane or Captain Serious……..but this is at least the third time he has offered to go after a “villian”. I am finding a couple of players on this team"gutless"….hell even the much hated Barker would go after “jackasses” ……who is the win starved next team gonna go after ? Keith? Hossa?
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
Steeg
This is where Buff just kills me. I know its asking him to be something he is not, but just imagine an angry Buff beating down a little shit like Wiz…..it would be glorious.
"In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!"
by HjammerTime on Mar 18, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
While this team doesn’t have a dedicated enforcer, there are a number of guys that can fuck people up; Ladd and Brouwer are two that come to mind. I think it depends on who is on the ice when one of our players goes down. Brouwer fucked that guy up who went after Kane a while back and Ladd seems to fight everytime we play Vancouver. This time it was Keith (though he didn’t look like he fared to well against Wizdoucheski).
Personally, I would’ve like to have seen every player on our team get their visors taken off their helmets after that hit (even Kane) because I think it would’ve scared the shit out of the Ducks to see everyone Hawk was ready to throw down.
by Cristobal the Cat on Mar 18, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Buf has his own Zip Code fer crying out loud
Is it too much to ask that he play bigger than Versteeg (who is barely bigger than Kane)?
Steeger's a country boy
he can punch out an angry cow.
Occam's Razor keeps the cutting clean.
by russellguldin on Mar 18, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
LOL at the “noodle arms” Kane comment. I’m still shocked that no one ran Wiz through the boards at some time.
I’d have to agree. I also have to admit that I was screaming for blood. I wanted to see Wiz flat on the ice.
But the fact that the Hawks very nearly won a game that was so poorly officiated, without Campbell, et al., with Crawford in net at least softened the blow for me a bit and I have to respect Q for his decision.
One mistake really might have cost the Hawks this game, and it was due to a set of really weird circumstances.
The Hawks took the high road, and if indeed it was Q that ordered them not to retaliate, it also soothes some of the worry that’s been instilled in me by the people claiming that Q is losing his grip on the players and whatnot.
Still would have liked to see Wiz unconscious though…
I've only seen Q lose his cool once
and that was at the end of the second period of Game 4 against Detroit last spring. He rightly got reamed for not keeping it together, but yeah, that entire game sucked from head to finish so I don’t think you can blame him, really.
What about today?
I don’t remember ever seeing Q turn purple before. I was kind of impressed; I didn’t know people could actually do that.
well, tonight's game was the second time
but I think the entire bench was incensed, and plus, it was clearly justified. I’m still not sure exactly what really set Q off last spring — probably a combination of shitty play and the questionable call. Tonight there was a reason.
I made the mistake of reading the comments over at puck daddy
So now I’m just going to wrap myself in the blanket of righteous fury over here.
by shinkicker on Mar 18, 2010 7:58 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
curious to know
what’s everyone think of Seabrook’s initial hit on Corey Perry?
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
Maybe slightly high, but clean.
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
Fine
Perry had his nose down at Seab’s laces. Looked like he was trying to squirt through the gap and didn’t make it. Pay the price fool.
"Call Detroit, tell dem... BULLSHIT!"
tough call
Not intentionally cheap, but Perry had his back to Seabs, didn’t have his head up, focused on the puck. 7 did not try to drive him through the endboards. I’m going with hard, clean hit, Perry put himself in that situation.
Should Seabs have held back as Perry was in a “vunerable position” trying to play the puck? Maybe. But he didn’t lift his elbows or leave his feet.
Perry was playing the puck, puck carrier is fair game.
Don Cherry would say Perry should have been aware Seabs, or any other d-man, was there, you don’t put yourself in that position. And then reverse his position and call for the stop signs on the back of the helmets.
"Bullshit! You didn't convince me. let me see your REAL Toews face! "
by Sergei Skateyerassov on Mar 18, 2010 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I saw shoulder to shoulder
His momentum was what spun him into the boards, and a hit from a taller guy like Seabrook is naturally going to throw you downwards a bit. He didn’t seem to put a hell of a lot of force into it, and Perry didn’t seem like he was in that “No Man’s Land” 5-7 feet away from the boards, where the serious damage usually occurs. So I’m ok with the hit.
by Hjammer of the Gods on Mar 18, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
freeze frame
Seabs is clearly lining up for Perry’s shoulder. Puck is at his feet, it’s right next to the ref’s head.
by doubleohpsycho on Mar 18, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
that's not the puck
it’s seabrook’s skate. Perry lost the puck behind the netting moments before.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Mar 18, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Gah. You’re right.
Either way, Seabs had already lined up for the hit, and was going for Perry’s shoulder. Perry’s head is almost horizontal to the top of the boards and he attempted to make himself smaller to avoid the hit. This is one of those times where the high hit is due to the other play putting himself in that position.
Seabrook never even had the puck during the Wiz charge.
by doubleohpsycho on Mar 18, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
attempted shoulder-to-shoulder
but given the speed of the game, ended up closer to Perry’s head (also, Perry’s head was down) but no intent. If the refs had called it during the game, I probably would’ve complained then discarded. Mostly I think it was a hard, clean hockey hit, but I could understand if it was called borderline or questionable.
by ahnfire on Mar 18, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not high
I don’t know why Seabs’ hit is even considered high? Perry was ducking.
by herecomethehawks77 on Mar 18, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Crawford's brainfart
Who was the simply sad looking backchecker on that play? Buff? Bolland? My tv was too tiny to see. Point is, I too thought Crawford played pretty decent and although he came across looking like a bit of a knob on that play (oh ya, and it did cost us a goal) I would like to spread the shitstorm around a little and suggest the backcheck at the time of the stretch pass was fucking horrendous. You could see the fine feathered jersey just getting absolutely worked in the dust the second the camera caught the pass moving up-ice. Crawford’s move was pure desperation due to someone else’s initial fuck up.
And FUCK YOU WIZ, you pathetic infant. I’d love to visit your used car lot in 3 years and make you show me every piece of shit on inventory before leaving while laughing in your face – because I dropped human fecal matter in the back window of every flagship model on a hot day.
"Call Detroit, tell dem... BULLSHIT!"
by Hungryhawk on Mar 18, 2010 8:00 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Crawford made some really great saves too. He only had that one really bad play where he missed hitting the puck that killed him.
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
Yep, had a decent game except
for that miss Q! I didn’t relize he had not played in 2009 except for the relief in the playoffs for THE MAN FROM FRANCE!
Revenge is a very very very dangerous motivation!
by thepuckstopshere on Mar 18, 2010 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions
If he had taken a simple two-handed clearing shot well down ice, he'd have been fine
It was a fucked up play and all, but the only error I saw by Crawford was one handing it to the side (where his D man wans’t going) .
If I was feeling real generous, I’d attribute it to the combination of communication breakdown/not used to glitching on the Hawks system in 1st game up from AHL/non-D men playing D for the powerplay.
Burish, Bolland, and Quenneville
I agree with the Burish statements in the wrap. He adds nothing to this team. I don’t expect anything to happen when he is out there on the ice and it doesn’t. Nothing. I don’t care about his interviews, or his life outside what I see when he plays.
I know he had knee surgery and probably is suffering quite a bit. SO, why is he allowed to do his rehab at the NHL level? Are you telling me that Bickell is less of a player than Burish. Send him to Rockford. If he needs to clear waivers, then put him on waivers. Bring Bickell up. He deserves it. I deserve it.
As for Bolland, he is obviously not ready to play. Make him stop. His long term health is more important than the Kane Toews Sharp fantasy. Sharp needs to be playing center right now, plain and simple.
Finally, Quenneville (see Bolland above). He might put Keith at center for the next game. He played there when he was a peewee or something. Seriously, this guy………………………………………..loss for words.
"All questions must be submitted in writing"
Hopefully not
But why wouldn’t Dustin Brown railroad him? Nothing will happen to him if he does. “Oh no Versteeg is coming to yell at me” Squash.
"All questions must be submitted in writing"
Burish is powder puff, a hugger ...you can send down Buff and Burish and
hell ya bring up Bickell!!!!
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
Or we can keep them all
And have our own “killer B’s”!!
Bickell, Bolland, Boynton, Brouwer, Burish, Buff!
Just my opinion
..but as the league shys away from fightin we are seeing more and more "attempt to injure’ incidents. For Wis to straight up challenge Seabrook is old school, but today Wiz skates all the in from the blueline and blindsides Seabs. Where is the honor is that? It is chicken shit!!
Between that as the refs shallowing thier whistles….I get visions of the W.W.F..
What is the difference between McSorley hacking at Braesher’s head when he isn’t looking and frickin Wiz became a missle and ramming Seabrook head againest the glass when he wasn’t lookin????
That was crimmal last night….and our only answer was versteeg! standing up again to defend our fallen……again….you can’t field a team of princesses and wannbe enforcers and expect other teams not to run our players….the secret is out ….crush us-violently- to win
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
Spellcheck!
But I agree with every single mispelled thing you typed.
Quenneviulle, let the boys go. Take care of business like they used to when you were playing. No fucking high road. If they want to play like that, then sticks high pointy elbows, butt end, whetever. Only then will they stop. Let Eager and Burish get suspended. They might as well be anyway. Buff too.
"All questions must be submitted in writing"
I am jus sick to my stomach looking back at these last two games and seeing
the destuction going on and we have no deterrent.
yes my spelling sucks
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
I thought if a fight occurs with less than five minutes or two minutes
it results in a suspension? Or did I hear some bad info? If that is the case Boynton is out as well, right?
Anywho, not to defend the starting AHL goalie but he allowed less rebounds than what I am used to seeing. That play where he skated out to East Los Angeles was pretty ugly though.
Anyways, all I could say about this game was the fact that referees lately have been making some pretty crucial calls and non calls.
I really thought after the Wiz “I’m skating from the blueline and I don’t give a fuck if it leaves my line mate all alone” hitting Seabs incident the Hawks were going to rally and win, but ney.
Honestly, I understand we have no tough guys and our D is running thin but Wiz HAS to be shown the taking a run at one of our top Dmen is a no no. The refs didn’t do anything, send Eager out there with no intentions but to key Wiz. Dunc and Boynton’s attempts were admirable though
When in Rome we shall do as the Romans, when in Hell we do shots at the bar.
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Mar 18, 2010 8:20 AM CDT reply actions
Wiz is not a good NHL hockey player. He is a hack
Tallon/Bowman knew it and sent him and his poison somewhere else.
BTW, how is the trade working out for Anaheim? THink they miss Sammy?
"All questions must be submitted in writing"
that is why
you check him then. Send his ass into the boards hard if he is going to maliciously hit someone.
When in Rome we shall do as the Romans, when in Hell we do shots at the bar.
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Mar 18, 2010 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Check him?
You beat thet (insert insulting name here) every chance you get late, high, low.
Nope, coach Q says no retaliation. He might stare me down. Or move me to D.
"All questions must be submitted in writing"
eye for an eye
if the NHL doesn’t do anything about it. If Eager gets suspended 10 games it may do us a favor anyways.
When in Rome we shall do as the Romans, when in Hell we do shots at the bar.
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Mar 18, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions
It's easy to throw them
when you’re not getting counter punched because you’re wearing a shield.
Competitive violence, that's why you're here!
I really can't tell the difference between McSorley/Breasher incident
and wat Wiz did last night—-Wiz should be gone a long long time……not playin the puck—opposing player blindsided- and skating in from blueline with intent to injury—-ramming Seabs head to the glass
He should be suspended a long long time…..
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
I've been pissed off since the game ended- what a frustrating game to watch
I don’t know what I’m more pissed about… the hit on Biscuit and lack of punishment for Wiz? And Fuck Wiz. Or the total and complete bullshit no call on Sopel at the end?
I was pleased to see Buff look as good as he did back on defense. He got caught out of position a few times jumping into the play, but made a couple nice plays and have to give him credit.
I also like how the Hawks pulled Crawford at the end and kept fighting. But the bullshit in this game was almost too much for me to bare. It was too much to overcome for the Hawks. And that is frustrating.
Agreed...
I didn’t watch the game, so I checked out the highlights when I got to work . I am now livid. I’m ready to start checking people into walls at work and drop the metaphorical “gloves” on anyone who gives me shit.
I'll be watching for any
breaking news VIOLENCE IN THE WORKPLACE today.
Good luck!
Revenge is a very very very dangerous motivation!
by thepuckstopshere on Mar 18, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Biscuit's hit and injury
needs to be tops, scrambled brains is no way to go thru life. Here’s hope he rebounds quickly. The sky is falling a bit. There will be another time to FUCK WIZ!
Revenge is a very very very dangerous motivation!
by thepuckstopshere on Mar 18, 2010 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm at a loss for words..
I don’t know what I should be doing…Driving to go hit Wiz w/ a bat and say it wasn’t “intent to injure” or just sit back and watch the game tonight.
I thought Doyton played an alright game and nice to see him stick up for a teamate on his first game. Buff wasn’t great, wasn’t bad either. I think that he should be alright untill Johnsoon (spelling?) comes back. Any update on when he will be back?
The hit was terrible and Q was livid as he should be! I haven’t said this but I think Kops needs to come in for either Burish or Eager. I think I’ll give Burish a couple more but with eager playing and what was it they said only 2 hits in 6 games? I haven’t seen the energy from him that we need. Maybe he needs a wake up call.
Hockey is life! Lets go Hawks!
Lines anybody?
Kane Toews Brouwer
Buff Sharp Versteeg
Ladd Madden Bickell/Dowell
Eager Fraser Kopecky/Bickell/Dowell
I know Ladd Madden Versteeg is good checking line, but it’s not because of Versteeg. He can score goals, let him score some goals.
Scratch Bolland, Burish
Hopefully Bolland is OK, but he should be checked out before he plays any more.
Burish is UFA next year, lose him now or lose him later, not gonna get anything if you sign him to trade him. I do sincerely hope his knee is OK for his sake, and I wish him the best if this happens
Keith Boynton
Hammer Johnson
Sopel Hendry
D will be OK.
Goalie (insert mediocre player here)
More than anything, these guys need to score some goals and lots of them. Kind of stale right now, so.
"All questions must be submitted in writing"
Where are you putting that Hossa guy in this?
by shinkicker on Mar 18, 2010 9:18 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Hossa......
Let me see, I kind of forgot about that Hossa guy didn’t I
So let me rephrase that like a sane person.
Kane Toews Brouwer
Hossa Sharp Versteeg
Ladd Madden Buff
Eager Fraser Kopecky/Bickell/Dowell
"All questions must be submitted in writing"
These lines are perfectly good.
I mean these are basically the same lines we had for the 1st half of the season, minus the D men.
Hossa will be in goal tonight
per “Goalie (insert mediocre player here)”
Competitive violence, that's why you're here!
Maybe Buff can be in the Net tonight
The only goal he gave up last night night, he was left out to dry by Crawford.
Competitive violence, that's why you're here!
I thought I was the only one who noticed that
He did a good job covering up half the net… and almost got his stick on the puck! That would’ve been an epic save.
Its cool guys.
I just disabled the brakes on Wiz’s IROC.
Picture bloodbaths and elevator shafts
Like these murderous rhymes tight from genuine craft
The inside scoop
Pre-game:
S: Duncs, I know you were quite fond of Wiz when he played with us.
K: He’s gonna try to bait you, he always wanted a Norris quality partner, babe, but never got one.
S: OK Dunky, I believe you.
After the 1st:
Wiz: Hey Seabs, heard you and Duncs were having some issues.
S: You’re just jealous, bitch.
W: You know he’d have gotten his Norris if it wasn’t for you, bitchass.
S: You’re a punk.
W: I know you are but what am I?
S: Dunky told me you’re a dickhead, liar piece of shit.
W: Watch it there, wuss boy, you’re no Burwood in the trash talk department.
Just before “The Hit”:
S: Hey Pussy! Don’t you wish you could play like me and partner with a Norris quality D-man? (sticks tongue out for good measure).
W: Wanna see what it’s like to be Eager?
After “The Hit”:
K: WTF? Is that my little Biscuit with his eyes rolling back in his head?
W: What of it, dick boy? Not like he could think without you anyway.
K: YOU [punch] WILL NOT [punch] HURT [punch] MY PARTNER
W: Crap
K: (under his breath) who showcases my Norris abilities just fine.
Seabs gets up: He LOVES me! He really loves me!
The euphoria wears off:
S: Oh fuck, this is what it’s like to be Eager? I think I’m gonna throw up.
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by Trixietrx on Mar 18, 2010 9:48 AM CDT reply actions 6 recs
I was waiting for one of these!
Great job!
by Katherine215 on Mar 18, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Have you noticed that DK's neck is getting wider by the game?
heck out his neck in last nights interview.
"All questions must be submitted in writing"
I'm sure he's doodling DK+BS 4Ever on his CATscan print out
by shinkicker on Mar 18, 2010 10:00 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
here's a thought
ok, every goal is watched by some suit in the Toronto War Room, right? And they do a quasi-review before deciding if it was a good goal or warrants further review. How come they can’t do the same for bad hits? Refs dont have the benefit of the replay, so maybe they didnt see the entire play and missed something. In that case, someone from Toronto could buzz down to the game during the long delay after the hit, and call for a review right there to determine if the offending player deserves a misconduct penalty or not. If the off-ice official thinks there should have been more called (durrr), then he should at least get a say, too.
I had the same thought
Let the refs call contact to the head shots. Assess a minimum of 2 minutes and tack on a concurrent 5 minute misconduct. The opposing team would end up with a power play, Toronto can review the hit and decide what call can be made.
Competitive violence, that's why you're here!
More replay??? Nawwww
It’s not like the refs didn’t see it. And replay ain’t gonna make players stop this crap. On the other hand, suspend those refs for 2 games, eliminate them from consideration for playoff ref’ing, suspend Wiz for 8-10 games, put Ovie out 5 or so….and guess what? We won’t need replay.
i couldnt put up
with people on the anaheim blog defending that hit so i had to jump in there…
anyone else feel like giving them a dose of knowledge feel free to jump in
I read it
I made no comment. They are not too smart.
I think Michael Jackson (Wiz) is gonna get 10 games for this one. No accident here. Full intent.
"All questions must be submitted in writing"
Me too.
Apparently I was “derogatory” for saying the Ducks play on the Disney Channel. I should probably send PhantomPretender some flowers.
by ProbertandErnie on Mar 18, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll bet he gets 4 games or so...
…anything more and the Ducks will beef because Ovie only got 2 and he was a repeat offender as well.
IMO, going from the benchmark of 2 to 4 is justified, because the intent was more serious with Wiz.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
am I the only one who...
after the hit felt like all bets were off, the bottom just dropped out – what’s stopping this from happening all the time? All the bad non-calls are one thing, but if the NHL let’s a pussy like Wiz prance around after the game saying, “I didn’t do anything wrong. The result of what happened isn’t good, but there wasn’t anything wrong that I did.” What the fuck needs to happen for someone to face some real repercussions? Stretcher = real suspension, anything else, maybe a game or two? Why don’t teams start sending kamikazes out there, ya’know, get some thug to go out there and decapitate the other teams star, said thug will get a couple game suspension, no real effect on anything, and the star will be laid up for months. Win-win, right? By the time the playoffs come around we will have some real talent to watch, right commissh?
For fucks sake – Wiz should have been tossed, period. If the officials missed how bad it was, if it is that bad, let the war room intervene, what the fuck is the point of telling these players they need to stay away from dangerous/reckless hits yet consistently tell them to hit first and think later by not penalizing their lack of consideration of the result?
BOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!
Compare with the Olympics
Gee, record numbers of people watching great hockey. Fast, rough and tumble sometimes, but I didn’t see one instance like the Wiz one. And IF it happened, they would have probably suspended the guy from the Olympics. Bettman is an ass wipe
Comparing the NHL to the Olympics is like comparing apples to pie
Occam's Razor keeps the cutting clean.
by russellguldin on Mar 18, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
what's wrong with comparing apples to pie
one is a fruit that grows on tree and is either red or green
pie on the other hand, is typically a baked dessert often stuffed with fruit, cream or a combination of the two. While there is apple pie and while both apples and pie can be delicious, they do not have much in common.
Consider apples and pie compared.
the guy who is usually with dan mcneel is trying to argue that the hawks are a soft team, eddie got really annoyed by that inference.
Generally i think the hawks play better against teams that play physical with them. I think it gets them to concentrate more and while the other team is gooning it up the hawks are scoring. Unfortunately when you’re struggling it becomes harder.
Hey Great!
Great. Other teams can fear the wrath of Eddie O on local Chicago radio while they continue to knock the shit out of our stars knowing they are getting away with it.
"In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!"
by HjammerTime on Mar 18, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
listen...
i am for a physical game as much as anyone, i love a good, tough game but don’t for one second sell me on the horseshit that the NHL wants to be a skill league.
How about this… lets go back to the fucking 1980’s/early 90’s, get a bunch of shitty ass russian players in here with no skill and just let them beat the crap out of each other. They’re supposed to have fucking rules to prevent plays like that happening so we don’t need to carry no-talent assholes. If bettman & campbell could ever locate the pea-sized lumps between their legs they call balls and start kicking these guys out of the league for extended periods of time, we’ll finally get the exciting sport, for example, that we saw during the olympics. It was good physical hockey with few dirty plays. Meanwhile if they just want to sit there and let young stars like toews, savard, seabrook get rocked all over the place then, fuck them, i hope the NHL goes down as payback for ruining hockey. Seriously lets just get some fucking boxers out there and have them beat the shit out of everyone for payback, cause that’ll really help the game.
As bad as the hit was last night, to me, the NHL showed how little they care about the actual game of hockey and more the the sensational, bullshit bloodsport aspect of the game after the hawks played the blues in st. louis this year. It was clear, when guys were flying around the ice with forearms and elbows blazing, that they cared very little about playing the game and more about injuring someone. The NHL needs to find it’s sack and start suspending these guys for 10, 20, 30 games.
Is it a good thing for a sport when you pass over less talented players just so you can get some do-nothing ogre to try to crack someone’s neck? Is it good that kane needs to worry more a guy flying into him and maybe ending his career to show how fucking tough he is instead of thinking about what crazy-sick move he’s going to try? There was a time and a place for that kind of hockey and it’s in the past and a lot of people got really hurt by it and it ended up not being very good for the game.
by SLoop on Mar 18, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Agree on overall point
Im for protecting the integrity of the game as well. But if the league isn’t going to police these hits the Hawks are going to have to do something.
All of this being said Im glad it was Wiz who hit Seabrook. Sick of hearing about how great he was for the Hawks.
"In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!"
by HjammerTime on Mar 18, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
my post wasn’t really directed at you, it was more my general rant after the game yesterday. So sorry if it seemed like i was accusing you of something.
I’m just kind of pissed that there is a group of people out there that are blaming the hawks for not either retaliating or having enough goons on the team when the real blame falls squarely on the NHL.
NHL to blame
I agree, but when the officials and the league won’t protect your players on the ice, then someone on the team must step up and let the cheap shot artists know they can’t get away with that BS.
True
But there is a time and a place and with the puck still in play in front of your own net, that’s not the best time. Also, if Ladd had actually done something to the guy that shoved the Sopelink it would have been OK with me, but he didn’t do that OR play the puck.
agree 100%
Unfortunately I think its come to this. With the amazing hockey of the Olympics happening so recently and the timeliness of all this other shit going on, the NHL has reached a fork in the road:
1. Adopt an Olympics-like mentality that promotes physical but clean hockey with the penalty so severe for cheap shot behavior that it becomes a deterrent.
or
2. Regress back to the style of play where goons are a necessity and the ugly snowball effect of cheap shop/retaliation/fight/cheap shot/retaliation/etc. etc. etc. Because if the league doesn’t take care of things, the players have no choice but to resort to take matters into their own hands. SLoop cleverly referred to this as “bloodsport”, and I agree…if I want to see that shit I’ll just watch UFC 4821
I really, really hope the NHL pulls its head out of its collective asshole, but I’m not optimistic based on what’s been going on.
I agree with your agreeing with me!
I didn’t consider the olympics “soft” games by any means. In fact, i was a little surprised at some of the heavy hitting that went on, even between teammates. Yet, the level of play was outstanding.
Ducks Unis
Dear Quacks,
Get a real fucking logo.
Hjammertime
"In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!"
NHL on the Fly
So i watched NHL on the Fly this morning to see what they thought about game last night, the hit, and no calls. What do they do? They don’t even mention it. Just show game highlights and move on. What?! NHL Network really sucks. They can’t even get that show in HD.
Western Division happinings rarely get
a good shake when it comes to NHL Network, ESPN etc. All east coast studios. You would of thought someone would of caught the questioinable hit and the loss of another D for Chicago.
Revenge is a very very very dangerous motivation!
by thepuckstopshere on Mar 18, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
They covered it last night
Seeing how the game was on NHL Network, they really couldn’t NOT cover it. And frankly, the did a nice job at the time. They called it for what it was, and even admonished the Ana announcers for even suggesting that he was faking it. They also said the ending was controversial with the no-call on Catfish.
You have to keep in mind, those half hour wrap-ups are just for game highlights- scores and fights, and the occasional big hit and they don’t have much time to talk about the injustices suffered by the Hawks last night, because I think they’d need to dedicate several hours of air time to really give it the attention it deserves.
By the way- I’m not over it yet. There is so much wrong with that game last night it’s eating at me like flesh eating bacteria.
I just read Rosenblog, who I generally can’t stand all that much, but he gets it right more often than not when we’re talking about the Hawks- and I think he nailed it here: No goony goo goo, Gus (OK that’s my title and it’s dumb but his article is dead on)
Then the kid took the fish out his mouth
and looked at his brother and said, "Goony-Goo-Goo.
Competitive violence, that's why you're here!
Lets clear our heads
change our brand of beer and get on with a fresh start tonight and hunt us down some YOTES!
Revenge is a very very very dangerous motivation!
by thepuckstopshere on Mar 18, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Little kings I presume
you are refering to? Your are so right, YOTES not till Saturday. My Bad, just would rather move on from California. Bad carma from last night!
Revenge is a very very very dangerous motivation!
by thepuckstopshere on Mar 18, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'd like them to get out of town too
Just giving you a hard time. :)
by Katherine215 on Mar 18, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Like I need a hard time lady, after last nights bloody battle
hung over today. And damn if I don’t need to do it again tonight. Another late one, a half hour later even. That’s puck drop at 10:30PM here in the eastern time zone.
Lets hope and TOAST for a W tonight!
Revenge is a very very very dangerous motivation!
by thepuckstopshere on Mar 18, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
And if you were going to pull this shit
at least you could have said you were from the Yankees.
by Scott13 on Mar 18, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Major League quotes are instant-rec
by Hjammer of the Gods on Mar 18, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Guys, can we just...
…get back to griping about goaltending? I just feel so much more at home that way. Talking about these “actual” issues is making me queasy…
by ProbertandErnie on Mar 18, 2010 11:34 AM CDT reply actions
I was really hoping that was about the status of Seabs's rattled brains
But hey, take what I can get
by shinkicker on Mar 18, 2010 11:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Is Colin Campbell
in a hotel without a television? Or a computer? I don’t really understand how “being out of the office” to attend a game involving a player he should have suspended but didn’t is a good reason for not immediately making an example out of that useless shithead Wiz. I know it’s only 1 day but that is a pathetic reason to wait.
by Katherine215 on Mar 18, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah WTF?
His only job is to watch hockey and (I’m assuming this is how it works) spin a big wheel in his office with different punishments on it (like wheel of fortune) to dole out greater penalties for bad hits. While Pittsburgh is the land that time forgot (do they even have running water or electricity yet?), you’d think Campbell would have a phone, or at least carrier pigeons to keep him abreast of whats going on in the rest of the league.
by Cristobal the Cat on Mar 18, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
And a Ouija Board
for when the “Wheel of Justice” is stuck on a line.
by CementHeadStu on Mar 18, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I assume
that he’s waiting to hear how badly Seabs is hurt.
by pointmesouth on Mar 18, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm going crazy waiting to hear anything but Campbell should judge the hit
Regardless of the severity of the injury.
In similar news, I’d also like season tickets on the glass with a bottle of patron delivered to my door step weekly.
And a puppy
by shinkicker on Mar 18, 2010 12:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
today
the latest posts on espn say that they’ve finished the review and the conference call. the decision should come before the end of the day.
Does this mean I get a puppy now, too?
by shinkicker on Mar 18, 2010 1:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
So they can't rule on this today
because they have to go babysit Cooke after not doing anything about his dirty shot on Savard?
Enforcement of the rules in NHL is a joke.
As presumed
Fuck, the bad taste just isn’t going away this time. Like the suspicious zebra Stephane Auger, I think it’s time some accountability lay on the shoulders of the sad-sack officials in a game like this. I don’t think a limitation like Auger may face (no reffing playoff games), referee suspensions, fines, and the like are outrageous by any means. They get paid big $$ to do a good job. Yes, also I think then that the Toronto control room should be a tool to support the refs in order that they may better the game through technology and consistency. To me, they were guilty to a point of disaster last night. No-one wants to admit they are human and therefore capable of fucking up anymore.
"Call Detroit, tell dem... BULLSHIT!"
Hawks are in a heap of trouble
Teams have adopted the philosophy of putting a lot of bodies on Hawk defensemen early in the game, under the theory they will be drained by the end. And it’s working. Coupled with dubious goal-tending and you have a full blown mess on your hands.
I dont’ agree with Barry Melrose that the Hawks are in a “free fall,” but at this point I’m pessimistic for them getting out of the 2nd round of playoffs.
Seabrook might be out until the playoffs if indeed that was a concussion. So we limp to the playoffs badly, then what? Will Keith, Seabrook, Hammer and the human traffic cone Sopel have anything left to give?
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
as crazy as it is to think
other teams in the NHL have struggled. I can guarentee you that, whoever wins the cup this year, had a part of the season where they looked bad.
I disagree with Melrose completely
Even if all that were true and let’s say all the other nonsense never occurred. The Ducks STOLE that game last night as Hiller made huge save after huge save after huge save and we drew iron… 4 times? Toews on a breakaway that looked like a penalty shot- misses the net entirely?
Nah dude. I don’t think the wheels are falling off the wagon at all. You win some, you lose some. Every team goes through bad stretches. Inuries aren’t helping to be sure, but honestly- Seabs play has been abstract at best and taking him out of the lineup and replacing him with someone eager to make a good impression could be a good thing- Boyton comes to mind…
Barry Melrose wanted to sit Stamkos. Genius!
He didn’t even know his team was in free fall.
He is a complete non entity on anything to do with hockey.
"All questions must be submitted in writing"
Once he cut the mullet, his mojo was gone.
Occam's Razor keeps the cutting clean.
by russellguldin on Mar 18, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Hawks are gaining an unfair reputation of pussies who can be "out-physicaled"
This is what it is coming down to. The rest of the NHL is looking upon the Hawks as a bunch of speedskaters who the strategy should be to punch in the mouth both figuratively and otherwise.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
I'm okay with them thinking that
As long as we stop losing players and keep scoring. I’ll take the wins over reputation
by shinkicker on Mar 18, 2010 1:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think we're jumping to conclusions a bit too fast here
The Sunday hit was made by a guy who has done it before to all different types of players, and last night was a retaliation hit for a perceived wrong delivered by a spare-part quality guy on a team going nowhere this season. Implying there’s a league-wide bounty on the Indian Head sweater is a bit much. If you’re just saying teams are going to try to play the Hawks more physically now, that’s not breaking news. That’s been the book on them since last season, and by and large when teams tried to body up on the Hawks, they paid for it on the scoresheet. It’s unfortunate that these two incidents happened back to back, but they’re sure as shit not passing out the foil in opposing locker rooms before every game now.
by Hjammer of the Gods on Mar 18, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
All of this shit about getting physical against the Hawks
would stop if they could consistently score on the power play.
Competitive violence, that's why you're here!
by cdz3210 on Mar 18, 2010 12:11 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
TSN's Mackenzie has
teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wings fan at a time.
by 334Rules on Mar 18, 2010 12:23 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
A couple things
One – this comment is long overdue and a little out of place given all the extra bullshit from last night, but the Hawks have to finish their chances better. Last night was no exception as too many Grade A chances didn’t end up on the scoreboard. A team that generates this many scoring chances, and regularly outshoots its opponents needs more production.
Two – let me put my meat helmet on for a second and say that doing nothing to avenge the dirty, dirty play that injured a second Hawk in as many games was a very bad mistake. It’s one thing to favor a game of smart hockey, it’s another thing to just allow yourselves to be a fucking punching bag. Opponents have to fear retribution when they make a dirty play that is intended to injure a Blackhawk and a serious injury occurs. Some have speculated that the Hawks didn’t retaliate on the orders of the moustache, well then Q was dead wrong.
2B – the guys on offense have to step up in that situation. Campbell is already out, Seabrook just got knocked out and we’ve resorted to Buff on defense. Someone on offense has to go and get the job done, instead that was left to Boynton and well after it would have mattered. Every forward watching Boynton do what they should have done should feel embarrassed.
Third(ish) – misc, the refs blew some calls and I wasn’t happy about it but the Hawks still should have won the game. WTF happend on the empty netter, why was Crawford skating off the ice at that time when the Ducks were in control of the puck and on the rush? And on the 4th line I am not upset with Burish’s ineffectiveness as he’s just getting back into the swing of things, but what the fuck has Eager done lately? He’s been lousy on the boards, lousy on defense, he hasn’t hit anyone in ages and he didn’t step up with the physical game last night when it was called for.
by Scott13 on Mar 18, 2010 12:38 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPcyAGJSWSI
Revenge is a very very very dangerous motivation!
by thepuckstopshere on Mar 18, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree on most...
but mainly Eager, what is he doing lately? 2 hits did they say in 6 games? I’m ready to say lets put Kops out there.
Hockey is life! Lets go Hawks!
Re: Crawford leaving the net
1000% agree with that dude. When I heard the announcers say he was coming off the ice, as the Ducks were holding the puck behind their net I nearly shit myself. It’s a real fucking stumper that’s for sure. I might just say that Crawford lost his mind yet again.
Overall, I think Hiller made some huge saves and that was the difference. HUGE saves and we were playing a guy who never gets to play, who just got called up, who made one hell of a bone headed play that led to the shorty.
Whatever. I don’t think there is anything fret over long term. Not yet.
Holy shit, that's a lot of agreement.
Second City Hockey Most Postingest Poster of 2009
NOW STOP IT RIGHT HERE
Does anyone else think...
That it’s up to us, as the consumers and one of the major income generators, for the NHL to take a stand? We pay good money to go to games, get jersey’s and support our teams. Is it time for us to call for the NHL to protect our players? (Yes, I know they’re not really ours but we do help pay their salary. So they’re as much ours as government employees…
I mean, even by watching the sport we love, we are condoning it for its behavior. I know that hockey isn’t fair. I know the refs aren’t out there to make the game fair. But with the recent clamoring about hits to the head and the NHL’s inability to rush through the rule because of the fear of it being called inconsistently and whatnot…
The sad fact is that the NHL doesn’t need to do anything. They’re not losing fans. They’re not losing money. There is no reason for them to rush through these rule changes. Indeed, the attention the NHL is getting might actually be helping them, bringing in those oafs that say the Seabrook hit was “Good Ole’ Fashioned Hockey”
I’m sure the NHL doesn’t care about the peons, case in point DirectTV, but seeing what the NHL has been doing lately (and knowing more about it these past two years since I’ve been able to watch regularly with the Hawks) I’m starting to question whether I want to watch this travesty on ice anymore.
/enddramaqueening and/or venting
by doubleohpsycho on Mar 18, 2010 12:42 PM CDT reply actions
The best ratings hockey has seen in 30 years came out of the Olympics.
Fast, clean, physical, skilled hockey.
Obviously the skill level will be diluted a bit at the NHL vs select international tournament. But that’s clearly the type of hockey that draws in the widest audience.
Picture bloodbaths and elevator shafts
Like these murderous rhymes tight from genuine craft
Bob McKenzie calls it the "grand slam of illegal hits"
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=314522
It’s not all the time i agree with mckenzie but he gets it right this time.
angry bird is angry .
What?
bq.“I just know there was no malice intended,” Capitals coach Bruce Boudreau said. “He didn’t go to hurt him. He went to hit him, and he hit him, but the hit didn’t cause the damage. The boards caused the damage.”
This is what is wrong with the meatheads that run the NHL.
People don’t drop atomic bombs, planes do.
"All questions must be submitted in writing"
That's brutal.
No shit the boards cause the damage, hence the reason why it is illegal to push someone from behind into the boards, and why that illegal hit is called boarding.
Picture bloodbaths and elevator shafts
Like these murderous rhymes tight from genuine craft
I haven't read all of the comments here....
but is anyone else pissed at ladd for that third anaheim goal?
I know the play on sopel should’ve been a penalty, but after perry pushed sopel down, ladd went right after Perry instead of playing the puck when he had the chance.
If ladd had played the puck that goal wouldn’t have happened.
"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."
The puck comes first
You have a lot of time to punch Perry later.
Occam's Razor keeps the cutting clean.
by russellguldin on Mar 18, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
If Ladd had played the puck
was definitely a factor in the goal. I think he just reacted to seeing Sopel getting hit from behind. The biggest factor in the goal was the fact that both referees had their whistles up their asses. I don’t think that there are too many people that would say Perry’s hit was legal and I would have been fine if they called Sopel for embellishment.
Competitive violence, that's why you're here!
yea not to mention that
if Sopel hadn’t been pushed, his stick would have been right there to clean up the rebound, even all fours, he almost swiped i outta play….
BOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!
You know what's sad,
I didn’t notice the typos even after you posted your corrections.
Competitive violence, that's why you're here!
on the online feed...
There was certainly chatter about the poor officiating. Noone seemed to comment on this thread that Toews and recipient “got away” with slashes, and the broadcasters (of the online stoogetv feed) even said “There goes Toews with a slash…and right in front of the ref, because he knows he just got slashed.”
…this is the kind of officiating that gets your blood boiling…and if it gets YOUR blood boiling, youre damn sure the guys on the ice are getting ready to commit a felony and/or full frontal rayp. An earlier poster mentioned the regression to 80’s & 90’s hockey…I see the same thing (case in point anytime the hawks play the blues). At least we have league expansion to thank-not for the dilution of the talent pool-but for the fact that we play the teams in division less often and are less likely to go batshit insane when a fucktard like janssens tries to go tribal brutality fatality on a much smaller scorer such as steeger or kaner.
long story short. if the nhl is serious about cleaning up the game…it starts at the top…and when theyre done cornholing each other, maybe theyll get it right
Slashing?
I am the first to admit when one of our guys gets away with a penalty. I really didn’t see that last night. Was I missing something?
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
yeah it was a quick one…right in front of the ref, methinks in the 3rd period.
i think my broad brush was alluding to even the obvious slashes wouldnt be allowed if the refs had taken precedence earlier in the game, lay down law if you will
by JohnnyBourbon on Mar 18, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember seeing it too
But I have no idea when it occurred. Everything is pretty much a blur right now
its the damn west coast time zone thing
…oh and we all were pretty drunk with it being a holiday and all
by JohnnyBourbon on Mar 18, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember that Toews slash as well
I don’t remember what preceded it, but I remember being frustrated by a no-call and as the Duck (no longer Mighty) was skating away about at his own blue line Toews slashed him pretty good and then the Ducks were able to move the puck throught the neutral zone and into the offensive end. Toews clearly slashed the guy across the hands but I remember thinking at the time that it was no worse than what happened to piss him off.
I must have been too pissed by that point and missed it.
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
I remember it
Toews had entered the zone and was basically slew footed and tripped. He got up went after the guy on the near board and slashed him good
September 26, 2007 The day a Franchise was reborn.
I remember the Anaheim announcers
actually pointed out that whole sequence, both the trip and the slash… see, they weren’t so bad…
LET'S BE HONEST HERE...
if huet doesn’t get a tummy ache from eating all of that fancy pants cheese…seabs never gets hit, campbell’s injury heals, and buff puts up a five point night.
quit blaming wiz wear for HUET’S actions.
by bangbangerang on Mar 18, 2010 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Perry
To me it is all Perry’s fault. If he hadn’t touched the puck and Seabs didn’t hit him then Wiz wouldn’t have retaliated. Isn’t that the NHL way of thinking? After all it is all Campbell’s fault that he “fell” into the boards and Ovie didn’t push him.
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
lol. it was funny hearing the comments “ovie didnt really push him that hard”
yeah…and most board work is done within 4-5 feet of the boards, not 8-10 feet
by JohnnyBourbon on Mar 18, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
No it started before that
it goes back to the whole Conan/Leno thing. NBC fucks the Blackhawks again.
I never thought of that.
I’m still pissed over the USA/Canada game which is on NBC and then we got reamed the next couple of times we played and it was televised on NBC. The Hawks on Leno on NBC and we lose the next day. Wow the pattern has emerged. Lets stay as far away from NBC as we can get.
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
It's the Front Office's Fault
if they would have traded for Wiz as rumored, he could have been here taking off Perry’s head.
Competitive violence, that's why you're here!
Bets yet?
Are we placing bets yet on who the Kings will try to take out tonight?
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
Hopefully no one
I went to bed absolutely FUMING after that game last night. I’m going to need to be medicated if anything like that happens tonight. By like… a doctor. Padded rooms and shit.
Suspension
Hockey Buzz just reported Wiz got 8 games for the hit.
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
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