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December 17th, 1991...........A chubby young boy opens up a paper door labeled "17" on his chocolate Christmas calendar, takes out the piece of molded chocolate, crams it into his mouth, and then happily counts the number of days until Christmas.  The boy makes sure no one else is around before opening up the number 18 door of the identical calendar that sits next to his and then consumes that bit of chocolate before closing the small paper door as if it had not been opened at all.  What can we deduce about this young boy?

1) He may be south suburban Chicago's version of Augustus Gloop.

2) He enjoys pissing off the owner of the second calendar, his little sister.

3) He loves counting down to special events.

The third point is the key folks, find out why after the jump.

Star-divide

Common amongst baseball fans in September is the observance of their favorite team's magic number.  Baseball's number is easy to understand, it is simply any combination of your team's wins + opposing team losses that is needed for your team to win its division, league, etc.

 

Hockey's magic number, while not too difficult to understand, is a bit more complicated and there are many more interesting scenarios to keep track of.  With our Blackhawks having a nice lead in the division and in the playoff hunt, hawk fans are to the point in which magic numbers can be useful to look at, if you are into that sort of thing.

 

With 21 games left to play, here are the Magic numbers.

The creator of the site has also provided a useful page of FAQs, I will highlight some of the more important ones.

 

To get one team's magic number over another team, here is the formula.  (the team with the greater number of points is A, the team with the lesser number of points is B)

I will use the Hawks and Nashville as an example, so this would be the Hawks magic number to win the division and obtain a top 3 seed.

 

# of points that B has = 71

+

max number of points B can earn for the rest of the season = Nashville has played 61 games, they have 21 left.  A win each game would be 2 X 21 = 42.

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# of points that A has = 87

71 + 42 - 87 = 26

As you can see from the magic number website, the Hawks' magic number over Nashville is 27.

An additional point has been added as a tie breaker.

Here is my understanding of the tiebreaker point.

The number of games B has left is Z.  In this case Z = 21.

For team A to achieve the magic number (26) on its own, it would need X wins. In this case X = 13.

if X > Z, there is no need to add 1 point to the magic number

if X < Z, add 1 point to the magic number

In the Hawks-Nashville example, 13 (X) < 21 (Z), so the magic number of 26 goes to 27.

 

To me, the most practical way to use this magic number in countdown fashion is this.

If Nashville plays a game and loses in regulation, take 2 pts off of the magic number.

If Nashville plays a game and loses in overtime, take 1 pt off of the magic number.

If Nashville plays a game and wins, the magic number doesn't change.

If Chicago plays a game and loses in regulation, the magic number doesn't change.

If Chicago plays a game and loses in overtime, take 1 pt off the magic number.

If Chicago plays a game and wins, take 2 pts off the magic number.

As you can see, the most points a magic number can be reduced in one day is 4.  The least amount of points a magic number can be reduced in one day is 0.

A quick example: The hawks play tonight against NY, the preds also play tonight.  Hawks win and nashville loses in regulation, the magic number is now down to 23.

 

In closing, I'd like to leave you with some noteworthy magic numbers.

Hawks to secure a top 3 seed.................27

Hawks to secure the 2 seed....................32

Hawks to secure a playoff spot................23

Hawks to obtain top seed in the West.......42

Hawks to obtain the Presidents' trophy......43  

and that's a magic number.

Happy counting,

Augustus Hack

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That Advent story sounds just like me.

How old were you in 1991? And just how chubby?

I second Krome. Baseball is much easier, probably the easiest, which is why people pay so much attention to it.

Can you explain the tie-braker in a bit more detail?

All right, come on, dummy, you won the game. Come on. Pick up your trophy.

by meeshak on Mar 2, 2010 8:54 PM CST reply actions  

answers

in December of 1991 I was 7 years old (sister would’ve been 5), I was probably like 3.5 feet tall and about 60 lbs.

I’ll admit, the tiebreaker is confusing, and so is the description on the website.

Adjusting for ties: Next you see how many wins B would have if it won all its remaining games. If A can’t achieve the magic number without exceeding that number of wins, then in reaching the magic number A will automatically win the first tie-breaker and no adjustment is necessary. Otherwise, add one to the magic number.

The way this is stated hurts my brain, but I think I have deciphered it enough to calculate it properly in my fanpost.

Here is more language from the site.

ties — the program does know how to break ties by number of wins, but it does not have info about head-to-head records or goal differentials, etc. The program no longer assumes that a team will win all tie-breakers that it doesn’t know about; instead it reports points required to clinch a tie.

Basically adding the 1 is a worst case scenario for team A to clinch. Team A doesn’t necessarily need the 1 to clinch though.

If it makes you feel any better, I think the criteria described would require adding 1 to almost all of the magic numbers in the chart, so there isn’t enough variability to make it a concern.

"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."

by Hack on Mar 2, 2010 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

shit

that’s damn confusing. speaking as a physicist (unlike my usual stance as a drunken idiot), i rarely have seen such dense prose in a even a mechanics textbook. but, i think you got it right. from what i’m getting, 1 would be added to the numbers until such a time as hypothetical team B can no longer achieve the magic number by winning all their games while team A loses all of theirs. correct me if i’m wrong (seriously).

by the way, we’re the same age. i always thought you were, like, 40, man. illusions die hardest on the interwebs. but i really am short, overweight, and balding.

All right, come on, dummy, you won the game. Come on. Pick up your trophy.

by meeshak on Mar 2, 2010 9:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I would correct you if you are wrong.......

but I don’t want to think about the tiebreaker anymore since i’ve read that statement like 12 times today.

Out of my own curiosity, why did you think I was 40?

It is only a matter of time until those whom I haven’t met automatically assume that I look like Tom Waddle (from the avatar), just as I assume that mjthor looks like Eddie O.

"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."

by Hack on Mar 2, 2010 9:53 PM CST up reply actions  

doesn't mjthor look like Eddie O?

Maybe I really do look like a young Don Roberts? I think I assumed you were older because of your comments. They sounded like a guy who’d been watching the Hawks for 30 years. Take that as you will, but I’d take it as a compliment if I were you.

I’ve really come to hate that statement since you posted it.

All right, come on, dummy, you won the game. Come on. Pick up your trophy.

by meeshak on Mar 2, 2010 10:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I do take that as a comliment

but a paragraph of this fanpost from September tells my Hawks story.

I’m not a “long-suffering” hawks fan. I’d consider myself a long suffering cubs and bears fan though, my hawks suffering is mild in comparison.

"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."

by Hack on Mar 2, 2010 10:23 PM CST up reply actions  

we're pretty much in the same boat

chicago sports were so horrible through high school, i more or less stopped following all of the teams. hawks/cubs from my grade school days, but not much from junior high until after college.

you made that fanpost during my first month in montreal (give or take), which was a crazy busy time. good dissection of bandwagoners. my friends and i were all desperate for hockey; we would have jumped on a good wolves team! to get the hawks back, well, that’s just something special.

All right, come on, dummy, you won the game. Come on. Pick up your trophy.

by meeshak on Mar 2, 2010 10:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for the link

to the magic numbers and projected point total. I’ve been keeping track projected points on an Excel sheet since December. Looks like I’ll have to find a new way to waste a few hours of my life.

Competitive violence, that's why you're here!

by cdz3210 on Mar 2, 2010 9:16 PM CST reply actions  

playoff odds

http://www.coolstandings.com/hockey/

some neat stuff here.

---AC 00 00 00 - Believe

by mjk83 on Mar 3, 2010 4:25 PM CST reply actions  

I rec this

Any mention of Augustus Gloop and hockey ststistice in the same thought is deserving of a rec

"All questions must be submitted in writing"

by laaarmer on Mar 5, 2010 8:35 AM CST reply actions  

STATISTICS (butthead)

"All questions must be submitted in writing"

by laaarmer on Mar 5, 2010 8:37 AM CST up reply actions  

numbers and I are just not working out right now

I’ve been trying to find time to sit down and read this post since you put it up and it’s just defeating me every time. This makes me sad.

But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."

(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)

by chiblackhawks on Mar 5, 2010 9:40 AM CST reply actions  

let me know if I can clarify something......

that would help

If numbers and you aren’t working right now, don’t pay attention to the tiebreaker part, it’s stupid.

"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."

by Hack on Mar 5, 2010 9:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I can do that via random comment

so, I’ll update people periodically, don’t want to waste fanpost space.

The magic number site is updated like every couple hours as well.

"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."

by Hack on Mar 5, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

i think my eyes glazed over

the moment you said “baseball”. (j/k)

I re-read it—I think it was just that the post required me to sit down and learn it as opposed to other posts where I can skim to get its basic idea—and it’s a lot clearer now.

Now that we’ve got—what, 19 games left? though, the President’s Trophy is sort of a little out of reach, isn’t it? Unless the Caps and the Sharks really do fall off the wagon or something.

But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."

(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)

by chiblackhawks on Mar 5, 2010 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

President's Cup

Being that the Hawk have played less than spectacular for over a month, I think they’re due to start clicking quite soon and go on a streak of their own. This team has far to much talent. Until the Sharks won last night, we were tied with an equal # of games played. Washington also has a game in hand and with a win tonight, we’d only be 3 pts behind them. Their lack of defense is going cost them some games before all is said and done. Like the Hawks, they’re nearly unbeatable at home, so I hope we can make it interesting.

Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 5, 2010 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

It's not thatthe math is that hard...

…I just prefer to watch how it unfolds.

Teo clean points tonight, for example, would be very helpful toward securing the #2 seed.

by cliffkoroll on Mar 5, 2010 1:55 PM CST reply actions  

epic spelling fail. Let's start over

It’s not that the math is that hard…

…I just prefer to watch how it unfolds.

Two clean points tonight, for example, would be very helpful toward securing the #2 seed.

by cliffkoroll on Mar 5, 2010 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

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