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The Hits Keep Coming - Blues 4, Hawks 2

In the interest of full disclosure, I did not see the vast majority of the third period of last night's game. Between the second and third I made a break for it to meet friends out at an establishment, and once there, it became an asshole hassle to get the game on the TV, which the proprietors weren't able to do until 5 minutes left in the contest, and it was already its final score of 4-2. I have still yet to see the deciding and insurance goals, so apologies are in order. But, if you'll have them, here are some thoughts regarding the 45 or so minutes I saw.

 

  • The new top line of Sharp/Toews/Hossa looked downright hellacious for a stretch last night. However, if Quenneville's objective for moving Versteeg to center was to make Patrick Kane invisible, then mission fucking accomplished.
  • Enough of Brent Sopel on the top pair with Duncan Keith. Seabrook and Hammer are fine, but Sopel is simply playing too many minutes.
  • Because the defense is getting taxed, and the forwards know it, they're cheating low in the defensive zone, which is leaving the opposition's point men uncontested when they hold in clearing attempts and attempt shots. This is becoming a vicious cycle, and the only thing that really will rectify it is steadier play from the d-men. Easier said than done these days, though.
  • Kopecky and Fraser sat last night, but if Ben Eager isn't going to play the pinball style that made the fourth line so effective last year and just take dumb shit penalties and get in completely staged fights, then I'm all for sitting him in favor of someone who actually brings some kind of hockey sense to the rink.
  • That being said, at least he's not Cam Janssen. What a bag of dicks that guy is.

So the new-new lines didn't result in 2 points. What's next in Coach Q's bag o' tricks? We'll find out tonight after a short turnaround and a trip back up to St. Paul, where this whole nonsense began with a third period collapse against the Wild. Winning tonight in convincing fashion would provide a nice bit of closure to all this wouldn't it? Sam or Kills or someone will be swinging through later on with your preview and thread.

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I like the Hossa Toews Sharp line

that seems like it should induce pants shitting in the opposition defense

McClure you can probably get an idea about the third period by looking at the GDT (Pictures of trains crashing, Ozzie Guillen choking himself, a lot of WTF?! etc) you didnt miss much, consider yourself lucky

TAKE OFF THOSE CLOWN SHOES OR I WILL SHOOT THIS DOG!

by BigCSouthside on Mar 31, 2010 10:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Buff looked like he was shooting with rakes last night. i’ve only seen slower shot releases from jr high kids. he had at least 6 or 7 chances to bury one from the slot, only to have the puck poked off of his stick.

by lumberjack7 on Mar 31, 2010 10:11 AM CDT reply actions  

yeah

I remember seeing a lot of that too. His positioning seemed good, but just had no quickness to the releases at all…and a couple were no brainer one-timers but instead he received the puck and went for the slow as molasses wrister.

by K_Dog on Mar 31, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Scoring yesterday

Anybody else notice that the only truly good scoring chances seemed to come from breakaways or the rebound thereafter (see Hossa’s goal)? Seriously, I know injuries, new lines, blah, blah, but I didn’t see really any chances come from a lot of time spent in St. Louis’ zone last night. Except for the above mentioned slow motion (I hope) shots by Buff.

Just my thoughts. Hopefully tonight will be the Karmic win needed to turn this ship around, as McClure pointed out.

by MoeWanchuk on Mar 31, 2010 10:22 AM CDT reply actions  

I definitely agree

it has been a long, long time since our offense has had any semblance of strategy beyond hoping for one on one’s or breakaways.

I’m sick and tired of seeing us be so inflexible that we can’t seem to figure out anything else in the offensive zone other than to try to cycle the puck down low. I’m pretty sure teams have figured out how to stop our offense and we haven’t adjusted.

by SLoop on Mar 31, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

While a win would be nice

I don’t think i’ll feel comfortable until we get 3-4 in a row (or at least win like 4 out of 5). It has gotten to the point where you can’t feel all that good about one win only because things have been pretty bad for awhile now.

by SLoop on Mar 31, 2010 10:23 AM CDT reply actions  

well,.....shit

"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."

by Hack on Mar 31, 2010 10:23 AM CDT reply actions  

When this is all we get out of the ever insightful Wads

even I start to worry

Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 31, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

that's what I like to call panic-lite

since I refuse to toture myself with flat-out panic until a post-season series goes bad.

plus, I was at the Bulls game last night and only saw the highlights of the hawks game.

"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."

by Hack on Mar 31, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm feeling the same way,

glad to see I’m not alone. Sucks right now, but I care about the playoffs more than the outcome of the last 7 games. Would I like wins? Sure. Would I like to see improvement more? Yes, and I think we saw some glimmers yesterday that give me hope.

They lose game 1, I will panic.

by Katherine215 on Mar 31, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

panic after Game 1?

I’ll worry some then, but panic won’t come unless they’re down to an elimination game

SCH Resident Idiot
The only Cup we can win is this years

by Johnny Lava on Mar 31, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'ma rec this

because if there’s anything we want the Department of Homeland Security to do, it is to clearly demonstrate the proper alert levels for sports fans.

But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."

(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)

by chiblackhawks on Mar 31, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

making it green

non se•qui•tur (nŏn sěk'wĭ-tər, -tŏŏr')
n. 1. An inference or conclusion that does not follow from the premises or
evidence.
2. A statement that does not follow logically from what preceded it.

by nextgame on Mar 31, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did anyone try to buy playoff tickets this morning?

I know 2 other people who tried and struck out completely for all 8 games that were available for sale (2 seats, any price). It makes me mad considering last year I was able to participate in the pre-sale for partial and full STHs and got tickets in each round and now I have none.

/rant

by Katherine215 on Mar 31, 2010 10:23 AM CDT reply actions  

I got a pair of 200 level seats for all 8 games. This was about 45 minutes ago.

by K_Dog on Mar 31, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just kidding. I struck out too.

by K_Dog on Mar 31, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

45 minutes ago?

I thought they went on sale at 10 am sharp. Did they go on sale at 9:45?

"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."

by Hack on Mar 31, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

10 "Sharp" ? coincidence?

No 9:45…I just forgot how to tell time when I said 45 min. ago.

by K_Dog on Mar 31, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

ditto on all accounts

including me being a partial plan holder and getting plenty of tickets last year

The 1 exception this year. I found a single ticket on the glass in 108 for game C of round 2……..now where did I put that $460 bucks I had laying here?

"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."

by Hack on Mar 31, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know there's about 14000 season ticket holders.

so where did the other 5-6000 tickets go?! The ticket situation has been frustrating me lately.

by Katherine215 on Mar 31, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Brokers

And not to multiple 9 game pack holders.

by Pat Foley's Jokes on Mar 31, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sad but true.

I think the entire row behind our seats in the 300s are broker seats. We never saw the same people using them twice. And the row was absolutely full of Scum fans during the Detroit series last year.

by flahawkfan on Mar 31, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

this is pretty much what kills me about chicago sports

and is THE reason i haven’t consistently gone to sporting events here since before i could legal buy the over-priced beer to (try to) get drunk off of….that and not living here for a few years.

BUT STILL.

by puppetmasterp on Mar 31, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

The remaining 8k (including standing room)..........

about 1k the organization probably keeps for players’ and personnel friends and family

about 4k swallowed up in about 5 minutes on ticket master

about 3k probably sold to ticket brokers

I just made that up, but I might not be too far off

"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."

by Hack on Mar 31, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Probably not far off at all.

Brokers is what I assumed, too. I think I read/heard a large chunk went to the networks or league too.

I also realized I can’t do math with my 5-6 thousand instead of 7-8k.

by Katherine215 on Mar 31, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, Brokers

The legalized ticket scalpers. If you try to sell a ticket for a dollar more than face value though, off to jail with you. BAH!

by Badgerdano on Mar 31, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

"service" or "convenience" "fees" - not scalping

like there’s a difference

Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Mar 31, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know...

I wonder if that would work on the street. Riiiight…

I really hate brokers. Double BAH!

by Badgerdano on Mar 31, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

no dice here too

But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."

(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)

by chiblackhawks on Mar 31, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Went on right at 10.

Standing room only for Games A & B 1st round, so I passed. Got decent 300 level for Games A & B 2nd round (2 each).

teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.

by 334Rules on Mar 31, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sigh.

you stink. My sister, my friend and I were all on at 10.

by Katherine215 on Mar 31, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe someone should put up a fanpost regarding this?

What? Doh!

Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 31, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was bs

Last year I at least got a few games, this year I couldn’t even log and they were gone. All on stub hub at 130 for STO.

by Jrs23 on Mar 31, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ditto Ditto

I got on right at 10 and they only tickets I could get were 2 for the semi-finals game “D”. I couldn’t justify spending almost $200 for a game that in all likelihood won’t be played. It’s disappointing because last year I was able to get tickets for a game in all three rounds pretty easily.

In the long run though maybe it’s a good thing – drinking yourself into oblivion is much cheaper at home/at a local bar.

"FACEOFF!" "Makes the pass." "FIGHT!" - 8 bit hockey

by chevrier30 on Mar 31, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Had chance at 3 games

Got 2 standing rooms conference semi’s game A,and 2 sec 331 row 9 quarter finals game D. (I really hope we don’t have to play that one.Passed on the one on the glass ticket for $464.

I used 2 different computers and started maybe like 15 secs after 10AM. Had to wait 5 minutes + before I had a shot at ordering

by husler777 on Mar 31, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

husler777

MY NEW BEST FRIEND!!!

Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 31, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

LMAO

I’d rec that too if I could! Did everyone miss that? LOL

Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 31, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm in 331 row 9!

What seats?

non se•qui•tur (nŏn sěk'wĭ-tər, -tŏŏr')
n. 1. An inference or conclusion that does not follow from the premises or
evidence.
2. A statement that does not follow logically from what preceded it.

by nextgame on Mar 31, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Almost got me there...

I was about to answer, then I got visions of Meeshak standing outside the UC trying to raise bail money for the Hutaree militia..

Boyz, ah unnerstand wat u r doin wit dis gov’t revolt thing n mah harts wit yaz….but wez got ah selves a REAL problem in Chicaga. See dere’s dis goalie thang…

by husler777 on Mar 31, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

wtf?

now i’m some sort of crazy christian conservative militiaman?

seriously, how the fuck did that happen?

Why... Why are you never funny?

by meeshak on Mar 31, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

did you get drafted?

Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Mar 31, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

well

he was out of the county for awhile. Maybe all those “dates” he was on were really training ops

SCH Resident Idiot
The only Cup we can win is this years

by Johnny Lava on Mar 31, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Too bad you didn't see their 4th goal, McClure

You might have vomited in terror. Although I wish you would’ve seen it though; I’m sure I would’ve enjoyed a brilliant metaphorical analysis of that defensive breakdown. Watch the highlight of it with the Benny Hill theme…it makes it less painful.

"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon

by HawkVision on Mar 31, 2010 10:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

PS. When did Alexander Steen get good at hockey?

by MoeWanchuk on Mar 31, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Steen and just about any other opponent

have become good when facing the post Olympic Hawks.

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Mar 31, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Living in Kansas City, we get most of the Blues games here on the regional(re-st. louis) Fox Sports network. I’ve seen a good portion of their games this season, and Steen has without a doubt been their most consistent player not named Erik Johnson. He has a dangerous shot as we saw last night and has no problem using it. Him sucking may be testament as to how fucked the Maple Leafs organization is, especially when looking at Lee Stempniak’s resurgence out in the desert.

by lumberjack7 on Mar 31, 2010 10:44 AM CDT reply actions  

Campbell

Never thought I would say this, but losing him has crippled this team…and him of course.

by Pat Foley's Jokes on Mar 31, 2010 10:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Plus/Minus

On the positive side, there was definitely a bit of offensive improvement last night (there were actually guys IN FRONT OF THE NET!, and a bit better defense, too. Until the pants-shitting that was the 3rd period. Someday, somehow, somewhere these boys are gonna figure out that hockey games are 60 – not 40 – minutes long. Please god, soon.

Some recurring negatives include:
1. The interminable wind-up for shots from outside the circles. People. If you stand there with the puck in front of you and your stick poised at high backswing for 3 or 4 seconds, your subsequent blistering slap shot (on those occasions where you don’t shatter the stick on the ice) will take nobody by surprise.
2. Weak side coverage on opponents rushes still seems to be virtually non-existent.
3. The pee-wee soccer syndrome continues. Ever watch little kids play soccer? It’s a hive of kids all surrounding the ball wherever it goes. Same thing with the Hawks. 3 or even 4 sometimes all going for the same loose puck. For fucks sake: SPREAD OUT!

Thank you. I’ll be better when the rest of the meds kick in.

teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.

by 334Rules on Mar 31, 2010 10:47 AM CDT reply actions  

there were lots of times that the whole Hawks team would be killed with a single grenade

It often looked like Buf was ‘centering’ Kane & Versteeg (2 player who should NEVER EVER be put on the same line, ABSOLUTELY NEVER EVER).

I was a kid for the 69 Cubs and 71 Hawks. I have gone into Bah Humbug mode. We had a good chance early – and seem to have squandered it. I will be watching as long as their playing, but don’t have any expectations that this will be a happy ending.

The Hawks are in desperate need of a colonocraniectomy, and I’m starting to worry about cardio issues too.

Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Mar 31, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Your cardio issues or theirs?

I know they have been working mine to the breaking point. Last night there was quite a discussion of how this team is reminding many of us of the nightmare of 1969…

by Badgerdano on Mar 31, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

both

but I am not currently seeing them so far as to recreate the 71 heart cruching I had.

Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Mar 31, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not the same as '71

That was heart breaking because they lost in the finals. This team is behaving more like the ’69 Chubs.

by Badgerdano on Mar 31, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

You old farts need some intervention!

Maybe there’s a drug for victims of depression the ’71 Hawks?
Um. Well. Oh never mind I said that…

Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 31, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

alcohol?

Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Mar 31, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

A Stanley Cup

tjis year would be the perfect cure.

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Mar 31, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Winning the Cup

THAT is the only drug that will truly help.

Wait a second… Old farts? Damn young punks…

by Badgerdano on Mar 31, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was pretty young in '71

but it was as bad as
84 Cubs “Leon Durham”
Bartman
RedSox nation, our ’71 loss was like “Bucky fucking Dent”

Chewing gum?

by laaarmer on Mar 31, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, would rather have been blown out

I’m glad I was only 3.

Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 31, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

the first cut IS the deepest

Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 31, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Today is the last day of "The Month" so lets stop this shit!

If it works don't go and F*** it up!
"SQUIRREL"
Get off my Land!

by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Mar 31, 2010 10:50 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Now if you can find a pic of that clown sitting on the pot

with a bucket in front of him, then spot on

Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 31, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

what cns said

but he’s gotta be wearing clownshoeskates

Holy chocolate covered mammary glands, Batman!
Um, that's not chocolate, Boy Wonder

by JohnnyBourbon on Mar 31, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Closest I can find for you all

If it works don't go and F*** it up!
"SQUIRREL"
Get off my Land!

by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Mar 31, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not the type of guy that likes to throw gasoline on a fire (that fire being hawk fan depression)

but in addition to the hawks losing games, Dunc is probably losing his Norris

"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."

by Hack on Mar 31, 2010 10:53 AM CDT reply actions  

Thats a shame for DK

If it works don't go and F*** it up!
"SQUIRREL"
Get off my Land!

by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Mar 31, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Correction.

Q is losing the Norris for him by punishing him with the Sopel pairing. Even when Keith did everything perfectly last night Sopel would screw it up by not being able to get out of the d-zone when Keith passed to him. I’m feeling pretty sorry for Dunc right now and wondering what he did to piss off Q enough to make him pair Dunc with Sopel.

by flahawkfan on Mar 31, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

you can partially blame it on the pairing with sopel

but Duncs and pre-concussion post-Minnesota Seabrook weren’t exactly strengthening his canidacy either.

Love me some Dunc’s, desparately want to see him win the Norris, but he should get some blame, even if it’s not the bulk of it.

"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."

by Hack on Mar 31, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he obviously gets some of the blame.

But if you could toss out his plus/minus from the Sopel games and from the last Huet fiasco, his p/m wouldn’t be hemorrhaging quite so much and his Norris chances might not be taking such a big hit.

I guess the bottom line is that I’m having a lot of difficulty understanding Q’s decision to put Sopel out there with anyone, much less with Dunc on the “top” (maybe?) d-pairing for so many minutes per game. Scary stuff!

by flahawkfan on Mar 31, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

100% agreement

the Sopel-Dunc pairing enrages me

"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."

by Hack on Mar 31, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sopel is a good 5th of 6th D man. Nothing more

Playing him in the top 4 is asking for disaster

Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Mar 31, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Although I totally appreciate Sopel’s effort (but I’m sure there are thousands of non-NHL players who give maximum effort), he will never fit into the Hawks current system. I’d like to think of him as a crafty veteran, but his physical skills have apparently degraded to the point where that is not enough. There is typically never a reason to move him off the 3rd D line. But would you really want to see him and Boynton on the same line???

That being said, Hjammer and Boynton or Hjammer and Sopel is also an awful 2nd line. There is no one to lead the transition style game the Hawks (supposedly) play. Although we don’t like it, Keith and Seabs (by default) are probably best to each play that role on the 1st and 2nd lines. I completely understand why Q is going with this with Johnsson and Soupy out.

It is what it is folks. Does anyone honestly really have a better arrangement?

/opens can of worms

Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 31, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

i can argue that c++ sucks ass

i don’t want to suggest this, but, do the hawks have anybody worth a lick who can play up-tempo D down in rockford?

Holy chocolate covered mammary glands, Batman!
Um, that's not chocolate, Boy Wonder

by JohnnyBourbon on Mar 31, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

from my few games watching the Hogs...

simple answers “no”, “not ready”, or “never will be”

Connelly, offensive skills, young, very small
Phillips, offensive skills, very young, picture the scarecrow from Wizard of Oz
Lalonde, offensive skills, a puppy (20 yrs old or so)
Richmond, remember him??
Petiot, career AHLer
Brennen, same here
Cullimore, very big, almost 40, very slow, no offensive skills. Please, please lord, not again. If Sopel is out, it’s probably either Buff or him, so we’d see Buff back on D tonight.

Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 31, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I say Lalonde

throw him in on the 3rd pair with Hendry

Chewing gum?

by laaarmer on Mar 31, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

possibly we'll see him when Sopel's contract expires

If Phillips finally hits puberty (15 yrs late), he looks very skilled with the puck to me. Maybe some Rockford natives can chime in…

Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 31, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sopel is the 9th Best D man on a healthy Hawks team

I wouldn’t even say he’s a good 5th or 6th. Serviceable maybe, but barely. Only place I might like to see him is killing 5-3 penalties because he’ll put the effort in to block shots as needed and doesn’t have to skate more than 20 feet. Giving him big minutes and making Keith hold back to cover him is indefensible. Boynton would be a lot less handicap with Keith than Sopel. HAmmer/Hendry & Seabs/Buff for other D’s.

by husler777 on Mar 31, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sopel is the 9th Best D man on a healthy Hawks team

I’d disagree with that, but it’s a different conversation altogether. Unfortunately, we’re not dealing with a healthy Hawks team D corps-wise, and won’t be for possibly the rest of the season, no matter how long it is. So like him or not, he’s going to be in the mix. I do agree with you that he can’t see the kind of minutes he gets with Keith and be effective. If he gets third-pairing minutes, he won’t be nearly as exposed. The problem is then that you have a spot on the second pairing open, and 4 third-line-at-best guys in Hendry, Sopel, Boynton, and Buff to fill it. Someone’s going to be in over their heads. I’d rather it be one of the two vets there, and not the guy just up from Rockford or the guy who’s shaking the rust off of his already mediocre defensive skillset.

With Seabrook looking back to form, or at least doing a passable impression of it, he needs to move back with Keith. Seems lately that the Hawks are only getting consistent offense from one line a night. So get your top pairing back together, try your best to shut down the other team’s top line, and hope like hell that your 1st line can outscore the opponent’s 2-3-4.

by Hjammer of the Gods on Mar 31, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

meh

I can live with your analysis….but what about Hendry? From what I have seen, he seems to do pretty well. Not sure I’ve seen GLARING deficiencies there, Certainly I’d take him over Sopel. What’s the rap on Hendry so far?

by husler777 on Mar 31, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess it's because he's ultimately still a rookie?

I believe he played about 40 games 2 years ago and about 10 last year. Maybe it’s just the “don’t trust a rookie” mentality?

Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 31, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like him

He’s got enough wheels to skate himself out of trouble, positioning seems pretty good so far, he’s had a few WTF moments but you’ll get that from a guy with his inexperience… Reminds me a bit of Hjalmarsson as this point last year, a pretty solid guy seeing his first extended streak of NHL ice time, making the necessary plays and not making too many appearances on the other team’s scoring reels. I definitely think he can be good, but as the saying goes, Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. The only reason I keep him on the 3rd line is to retain a modicum of speed there. A Sopel/Boynton pairing would just be unpalatable.

by Hjammer of the Gods on Mar 31, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

"A Sopel/Boynton pairing would just be unpalatable."

LOL. Pretty much what I said way up above. “Unpalatable”. Well played.

Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 31, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll have the Lobster Thermidor...

…;a glass of chablis, and a side ofthe Sopel/Boynton pairing.

by cliffkoroll on Mar 31, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's been losing it for awhile, imo

I read an article the other day saying that all his early-season publicity was the only thing keeping him at the top of running for it. While that’s a bit of a stretch, his candidacy HAS been steadily slipping. Individual accolades are nice, and I’m pulling for him, but it’s the least of my worries right now.

by Hjammer of the Gods on Mar 31, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's not high my list of issues either

but it’s a different discussion point amongst the same old crap

"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."

by Hack on Mar 31, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agreed, i actually

I began thinking he’d already lost it sometime last week, i think after the first BJs game, so prior to Sopel-Keith-enstein. I have nothing to really base that on other than gut feeling though.

by puppetmasterp on Mar 31, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

just asking...

with all these line changes Q’s been making, was there ever a good reason to break up Toews-Kane-Brouwer and Sharp-Hossa-Ladd as the Hawk’s top two lines?

I know Sharp was never overly enthusiastic about playing center, and i’m not sure were Bolland plays with these two lines at the top, but they were working, right?

by PATMANPSR on Mar 31, 2010 10:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Q must be prior Military,

The knee is jerking and he has a keen sense of fixing it until it is broke, and has so far excelled!

If it works don't go and F*** it up!
"SQUIRREL"
Get off my Land!

by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Mar 31, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

No.

Absolutely not.

Ozzie Guillen - Crazy like a fox.

by ballyb on Mar 31, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

they were working well enough, if you ask me

At the very least, working more often than not. It just seems to me that when the lines get shaken up like this, one line will do well, but at the expense of two others. (evidence the invisibility of the second line last night.) Seems to me that a coach’s job is to maximize the production from every guy on the bench, and this line roulette is even coming fucking close to that. A pure scorer won’t turn into a true playmaker overnight, a 3rd liner with cinderblocks for hands won’t finish pretty plays with any consistency, and Sopel won’t ever evolve past the missing link. These are facts.

by Hjammer of the Gods on Mar 31, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Boland

I think Q was trying to get sharp back to wing and Boland on the 2nd line.

by husler777 on Mar 31, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

That being said, at least he's not Cam Janssen. What a bag of dicks that guy is

great point! Complete and utter cement head

Matt Cooke is a turd burglar. He burgles ALL the turds.

by G8K33P3R on Mar 31, 2010 11:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Well stated.

I agree with everything. If only you could explain WHY or HOW they arrived at this point. They once were AMAZING as a team. I think that was even this season but now it seems so long ago I can’t say for sure.

by Badgerdano on Mar 31, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sometimes I feel like Q’s style of coaching is a two-edged sword. They got him to have a heavier hand with the young guys and hold them accountable far more than they previously were, but that only goes so far. If they hit a skid, catch a couple bad bounces that cost them a couple games, make some mental mistakes younger guys are prone to, etc., it makes me wonder if a softer coaching style is more apt to snap them out of it. Half of coaching is knowing what you’ve got and how to best to utilize it, the other half is relating to the guys and knowing HOW to get that potential out of them. Q looks like he’s missing that second part of the equation right now. Of course, there’s no true way to tell without being in the locker room, and I usually steer clear of the dynamics of organizational hierarchy because 99% of the time it’s rampant speculation, but I find myself grasping at straws to explain the last month.

by Hjammer of the Gods on Mar 31, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Q holds some responsibility for the current state of affairs

but at some point, the guys have to step up. At the end of the day, he can’t score goals and play defense for them. Most of them have played for him for nearly 2 seasons – the line juggling isn’t new and neither is his coaching style. I’ve no idea if he’s saying the right or wrong things in the room, but some of the onus has to be on them to motivate themselves and play like we’ve seen them play.

by Katherine215 on Mar 31, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree that the players bear responsibility. But . . .

The players don’t choose which goalie will start on any given night, and they’re not responsible for choosing lines and d-pairings. Right now, I see Q as being in firedrill mode, perhaps panicking more than the players are.

Unless, of course, all of the lines/pairings and the terrible play of late are part of some genius Q master plan to confuse the Hawks’ enemies during the playoffs. I’m not sure I believe that, though.

by flahawkfan on Mar 31, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I absolutely think Q

screwed up the goalie situation beyond repair. I just think we’d be complaining that the lines need to be jumbled if they were slumping and he wasn’t doing it. Is he going overboard? I think so, but hopefully he’ll ease up in the next couple games.

I don’t know, at the end of the day, I think if we’re scoring goals and defensive pairings are clicking, he’s less likely to do this, and for me, that comes back to the players putting out a consistent 60 minutes of effort.

by Katherine215 on Mar 31, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Goalie situation

It’s just possible the coaching staff was as divided on the goalies as the SCH commenters. It sucks not having a single standout goal tender.

by Badgerdano on Mar 31, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

"It sucks not having a single standout goal tender."

Bingo!

I’m not sure it was Q’s fault. I couldn’t blame him for many of the moves he made. Not his fault no one “stepped up to the plate” (to keep with today’s baseball theme)

Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 31, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

what about playing Huet

after Niemi’s shut-out last week?

Why... Why are you never funny?

by meeshak on Mar 31, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought he needed time in the net

I mentioned that prior to the game when everyone was bitching about what a bad idea it was (see how well that turned out for me?) Let’s say Niemi played well again. Do you therefore keep waiting to get him some time when there are few games remaining? Remember, Huet had a good game before he got sick. I think Q was still hoping he’d be #1. Things change…

Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 31, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

sorry i missed that

must have gotten drowned out in all the other idiotic rantings that go on here

Why... Why are you never funny?

by meeshak on Mar 31, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually...

That’s one place I think he did well. He gave the incumbent veteran every chance to prove himself, brought a long a rookie slowly but surely so he has some semblance of confidence and has it at a point that if the current goaltending would be our worst issue right now, I think we’d be fine. That and agreeing with CNS that he didn’t really have a stud goalie to work with all year long, I think he did well there.

by husler777 on Mar 31, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

touched on this last week

but I think his handling of the situation once the calendar turned over was wanting. Huet had only 3 stretches of multiple games started in a row. 5, 2, and 3 games, respectively. 6-4 record, and in two of the losses he let in 3 goals combined. Aside from that, he didn’t have a single back-to-back, and nothing since the Coyotes/Flyers stint I believe. The problem is that after that, when he started spitting the bit, the playoff talk had started to loom large, and Q got it into his head that he couldn’t afford to give Huet a start or two after a bad game to try and work things out. Whether or not it was the right call remains to be seen, but the fact that he was given adequate chance in 2010 is certainly arguable.

by Hjammer of the Gods on Mar 31, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Depends what "adequate" means

Adequate to take the reins, prove himself a number 1 worthy of his salary? I think he got ample opportunities there.

Adequate to play out of his funk? Maybe not. But at what point do you say I have to give the Niemi kid enough games so he has SOME experience going into the playoffs if Huet doesn’t turn it around? Tough call. I can’t blame Q there though I can see the other argument too.

by husler777 on Mar 31, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

My feeling is that it's easy to criticize in hindsight (not pointing a finger at you at all, Hjammer)

Looking back, I feel somewhat the same way that Hjammer does about Q’s handling of the goalie situation, but then I remind myself that at the time, I often thought it was the right call. I know many though often disagreed, even at that time.

Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 31, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the bottom line unfortunately

is that neither of them took the number one job and ran with it, which was what Q was hoping for I guess.

After you….no no I insist…after YOU

by husler777 on Mar 31, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

I agree with almost all of this, especially the part about net presence/blocked shots. It’s not a coincidence that teams are blocking the shit out of our shots from the point.

Regrading Eager, couldn’t agree more. Cam Janssen may be a bag of dicks, but at least he plays like he gives a fuck and can really throw ’em. The way Eager reluctantly engaged in that fight last night really pissed me off. What are you here for, Ben? Both he and Burish need to sit. When Kopecky plays I at least notice him, even if it is for falling down.

by HungryHungryPanda on Mar 31, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

…at least half the time Kopecky takes someone with him when he falls. And more often than not, it’s an opposing player, so he’s getting better there.

by Hjammer of the Gods on Mar 31, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Burish

Not sure if he’s tentative because of his surgery or if he’s gotten lazy because of the lifestyle and publicity. Whatever the reason, he is NOT the same guy that played for this team last year or won a NCAA championship a few years ago. He needs time in Rockford.

by Badgerdano on Mar 31, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

well he was fired up...

at least once this year…his first game back

Holy chocolate covered mammary glands, Batman!
Um, that's not chocolate, Boy Wonder

by JohnnyBourbon on Mar 31, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

great post, recd

bottom line for me and you touch on it in ur post
10 bolland < 09 bolland
10 burish < 09 burish
10 eager < 09 eager
10 neimi, huet < 09 ’bulin, huet
and
10 hendry, boynton, buff, et al < 10 soupy, johnsson, barker, et al
10 steeg < 09 steeg

sure, theres upgrades, I’m not discounting that, but having a underperforming 45% of your roster is pretty damaging

Holy chocolate covered mammary glands, Batman!
Um, that's not chocolate, Boy Wonder

by JohnnyBourbon on Mar 31, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is great stuff

especially to me, since I don’t know the logistics of hockey yet. Though I am proud to say I knew enough to wonder what the hell the third forward was doing on several of those board battles last night.

by Katherine215 on Mar 31, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

He should be in a support position for when the puck comes off the boards

He should not go to the boards.

Generally, if the other team has possession of the puck only one forward/defenseman should check the puck carrier (and I don’t mean hit). When the puck goes “up for grabs” like the checker takes his man to the boards or forces a turnover, the 2nd man can come in to win the battle.

St. Louis did a great job of this on Johnson’s goal last night.

Chewing gum?

by laaarmer on Mar 31, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you are really spot on

when you said they’re trying to do everyone’s jobs instead of just their own. I think the defensive lapses prior to the injuries to the D men were more laziness induced and now it’s a result of distrust and overcompensation.

by Katherine215 on Mar 31, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

We give the Red Wings a lot of shit here

but they are unreal.

You think we have injuries? Look at their season. Babcock deserves coach of the year. Those fuckers are right where they want to be because of him. They play their game no matter what.

Assholes

Chewing gum?

by laaarmer on Mar 31, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

they still have injuries

it just doesnt seem that way though because they’re skating cyborg versions of everyone, those out of work car manufacturers have a secret deal with the scum and the tiggers.
babcock, also a cyborg.

Holy chocolate covered mammary glands, Batman!
Um, that's not chocolate, Boy Wonder

by JohnnyBourbon on Mar 31, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll second Katherine's sentiment

My mom and I were the only sports fans in the house growing up (my dad couldn’t care less), and as much as i love her, her English and knowledge of tactics weren’t good enough to really get into the finer points of strategy.

Never having played a major sport (other than figure skating and ultimate frisbee…which I know most of you don’t count anyway), posts like these from people who have played or coached, or at least understand field sense, is is the best way to make up for not having had a father or older brother who could have clued me in as a kid.

So thanks again.

by puppetmasterp on Mar 31, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ultimate Frisbee

is SO totally a sport.

teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.

by 334Rules on Mar 31, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I clearly agree

but i’ve been needlessly called a hippie enough to realize not everyone does.

by puppetmasterp on Mar 31, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

You clearly know enough to see that this was wrong

welcome to the upper tiers of knowledgeable hockey fans

Many perks come with this distinct honor … looking disdainfully down on the “shoot!” group, laughing at the “why did the whistle blow?” (on icing, offsides, etc.) group.

Commenting with that all knowing air at places like this.

Congrats! Your secret decoder ring will be in the mail soon.

Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Mar 31, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

aww, thanks krome

though there is still more I don’t know than I do.

by Katherine215 on Mar 31, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

You've earned it

getting all the way to the pinnacle will take time, of course.

When I was feeling really assholish towards some “self proclaimed know it all” sort, I liked telling my wife to explain it to him (yes, pretty much always a him) and got to enjoy her explaining the rule/call/issue and what should have hapened (which she can do, bless her heart – being a knowledgeable hockey fan and a top notch special ed teacher).

Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Mar 31, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

"top notch special ed teacher"

that is a skill needed when talking to some meathead fans, thats for sure.

Holy chocolate covered mammary glands, Batman!
Um, that's not chocolate, Boy Wonder

by JohnnyBourbon on Mar 31, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

neither do i

Usually all it takes is for one dumbass (young or old) to look at me staring at the game on tv and comment “SO, you like hockey?” — and my response is some combo of “My, you’re quick. that’s so sexy, idiot.” or “Shut the fuck up and disappear….please.”

by puppetmasterp on Mar 31, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doofuses or doofusi?

I can never keep that one straight.

by Badgerdano on Mar 31, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

doofi

Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 31, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

SCH Resident Idiot
The only Cup we can win is this years

by Johnny Lava on Mar 31, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

if we're latinizing it, it would be doofae

the “ae” being pronounced as the hard “i” sound.

This is a debate among the geriatrics here, those who weren’t around when Latin was actually spoken anywhere (other than RC churches) aren’t going to care one bit.

Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Mar 31, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Krome
I am a gefeltefish fan (I like lutefisk too) Confusion will be my epitaph.
by krome

OK, you lost a bit of respect from me for that post… LOL

by Badgerdano on Mar 31, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

you don't like fish cured in lye?

these are a couple of curses of my childhood – I was raised by wolves.

Although one seder I went to where I asked for seconds of the gefeltefish, the hostesses brother said (out loud) “you don’t have to do that, she knows how bad it is”. They couldn’t believe that I like the stuff.

Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Mar 31, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

lye-cured fish

is an intriguing thing to eat. i don’t understand the bad rap it gets, unless it’s saponified.

Why... Why are you never funny?

by meeshak on Mar 31, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, I’m intrigued by the gefeltefish. Now I want to try it, but I don’t want to waste money on something I’ll take one bite of and throw away. Someone please describe it for me? I admit…the lye-cured part has me concerned.

p.s. I like pickled herring and love sardines. So if its anything like those I think I’ll be okay

by K_Dog on Mar 31, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

NOTHING LIKE THOSE

Herring and sardines are good eats. The lye-cured part SHOULD concern you. I like Krome, but don’t let him push you in this direction. He’s turning evil. EVIL I tells ya! Next thing you know he’ll be pushing crack on ya. Lutefisk is an entry drug. Sure, you might develop a hankering for it and it might seem harmless but then the next thing you know you’re in re-hab. Run away. Just say NO!

by Badgerdano on Mar 31, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am conflicted now

I probably shouldn’t try it then. But in the background I’m hearing krome saying “just try it, just one bite”.

by K_Dog on Mar 31, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe

that’s what the old hag said to Snow White about the apple.

with “Dearie” added on at the end.

by puppetmasterp on Mar 31, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

first bag of heroin is always free

and some day later on you find yourself hanging out in the alley behind the fish market …

Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Mar 31, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

don't try it

unless you’re in minnesota or northern wisconsin in early december and you see a lot of old people going to a church lutefisk meal

Why... Why are you never funny?

by meeshak on Mar 31, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

so its kinda like the notion of

not trying a new sushi place unless you know they get a lot of customers

by K_Dog on Mar 31, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

the lutefisk is the lye-cured one

I am not entirely certain how gefeltefish is made

Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Mar 31, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I put it here

because that other thread is way too long…

by Badgerdano on Mar 31, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha @ "why did the whistle blow?"

This group certainly gets overshadowed be “shoot!” group; likely because they aren’t vocal bigmouths…they more or less quietly look at each other in wonderment. The “why did the whistle blow?” group has almost an endearing quality in their naivete, while the “shoot!” people are unavoidable and annoying.

by K_Dog on Mar 31, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha

true, naivete DOES by a measure of patience…unless that same person was JUST trying to explain hockey to you prior to that.

by puppetmasterp on Mar 31, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

the "why did the whistle blow" people at least have the benefit of knowing that they don't know.

The “shoot” people are both utterly certain and (almost always) completely wrong. That is a much more difficult group to deal with.

Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Mar 31, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

I see those comments as a teachable moment. A way to enlighten a new fan about the finer points of the game.

If they’re showing some curiosity and interest, I say help ’em along.

teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.

by 334Rules on Mar 31, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

exactly - with the "shoot" group being either 'unknown unknown'

or the very worst thing possible – the “wrong about shit you think you know”

Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Mar 31, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Had a guy sitting behind me with his girlfriend/wife/significant other

on Sunday, bellowing out remarks as if to prove to anyone he was a “real” fan. Except he didn’t know what the fuck he was talking about. Examples:

The ever-popular “HIT SOMEBOY!”, or better yet “HIT SOMEBODY BYFUGLIEN!”. These comments became even more asinine because he was yelling them when the hawks were shorthanded 5-3. Yeah, our player should hit somebody so he’s out of position. Nice.

Yelling “SKATE!”, as in ‘skate up the ice’, when the hawks were in the middle of a line change, and Dunk was circling around waiting for the forwards to complete the change. Along the same lines, “SKATE IT IN!” when Columbus had three guys stretched along the blue line and Brouwer dumped the puck in.

Morons.

"...about six feet from the moose's butt."

by The Fearless Freep on Mar 31, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

You might as well strap a piano to Keith’s back

I definitely agreed with the rest being spot on, but that line esp jumped jumped out at me. And this is probably the best micro-breakdown of the Hawks play I’ve read in a WHILE. Thanks for that.

by puppetmasterp on Mar 31, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you Laaarms

for saying what I said about the triangle at least 10 times better than I did, and using the proper terminology to boot.

I played on backyards, etc., growing up, but never in a real league. Most of my knowledge came from listening to my old man when I was a kid watching Hawks games on TV (brought to you by Friendly Bob Adams at HFC) and applying that to watching games the rest of my life.

You’ve brought a coach’s vision to this thing, one that apparently the pro coaches on Rocky’s payroll are unable to either recognize or enunciate to their players. So much of this stuff seems obvious even to casual observers; how is it possible that the team’s management is missing it?

teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.

by 334Rules on Mar 31, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think they are missing it, they are NHL coaches

That’s why I didn’t blame the coaches like I have been.

The guys seem to have checked out. What they need is to some games from November December. They would all benefit from it. Even if Campbell is not around, Seabrook can do some of what he can do, just not as fancily.

Chewing gum?

by laaarmer on Mar 31, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly my point up above in the thread

about why I don’t criticize Q for breaking up Keith and Seabs. It’s far from optimal, but when you’re dealing in spare parts…

By the way laaarmer, I gave you some props in my fanpost

Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 31, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

like it?

I don’t believe you hate him (maybe you do?), but I felt it was a nice concise term. But it was a postive comment, not neg. I think a lot of what you said is right. It’s nearly impossible to get the team to focus on the task at hand and get psyched, when every game (and mid game), they have to instead focus on their new assignment, etc.

Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 31, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Quater party is growing by the day

We don’t hate him. We just don’t want him to blow this opportunity for the Hawks

Chewing gum?

by laaarmer on Mar 31, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

one more thing

Heres another one for you. How many of our defenseman’s shots from the point ever just a few inches off the ice? Almost never. Its worthless to have bodies in front if the shots are all chest high. All a guy like Brouwer or Buff can do in that situation is block the shot, not tip it.

Fix this.

Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"

by HjammerTime on Mar 31, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

When I played D I used to hear about keeping the shots low all the time

Form the coaches and from the forwards.

When I switched to F, I said it to the D a lot.

When I coached, I kept saying it.

Almost every D shot should be about ankle high (high enough to get over a stick blade onthe ice, but not much higher). This allows tip ins and deflections and rebounds while minimizing blocks.

The only real exception is a completely clear shot from fairly close in with a goalie who is down or very prone to butterfly style.

Our D hits a lot of glass, and gets blocked a lot!

Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Mar 31, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Has Chelios ever hit the glass with a shot in 25 years?

Or Lidstrom in 20?
What about Ray Bourque?
Larry Robinson?

Chewing gum?

by laaarmer on Mar 31, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

So,

If this is common knowledge to generally keep shots low from the point, what is the cause of this trend in the ’Hawks? Are our D-men simply looking for the glamorous upper corner goals too often?

by K_Dog on Mar 31, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

With missing 2 due to injury

I think it’s the others just aren’t that good.

Hell, they’re having enough trouble understanding positioning and skating. When should they work on their shots?

SCH Resident Idiot
The only Cup we can win is this years

by Johnny Lava on Mar 31, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, I see where you’re coming from.

by K_Dog on Mar 31, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

you know who was a champ at the solid knee-height quick-release slapshot?....

That Cam Barker guy………too bad he wasn’t good at anything else, sigh.

"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."

by Hack on Mar 31, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Buff can probably do it.

Seabrook too

that would be two pairings with big low heavy shots.

Chewing gum?

by laaarmer on Mar 31, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

heavy and low, yes.....

quick release……no.

"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."

by Hack on Mar 31, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

a quickly released low wrist shot (or firm to hard pass) is better

than a takes forever to release slapshot – no matter how hard it is

Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Mar 31, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

We call the slapper “The big back scratcher”.

Chewing gum?

by laaarmer on Mar 31, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Beeeeyoooooteeefully done.

The lack of trust is apparent and I can’t help but think a lot of it stems from the musical chair line changes and d-pairings. It’s gotta be tough to trust (and I mean that solely on a “what’s he gonna do on this play” level, not on a personal level) a guy you rarely play with and whose tendencies you simply don’t know.

by flahawkfan on Mar 31, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like you

You’re starting to make more and more sense each day. Prescient, even.

by Andrew Cieslak on Mar 31, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Off topic, as usual

I am a huge fan of this site, and was wondering if anyone knows of any good White Sox sites that are even 50% as worthwhile

by OMFS88 on Mar 31, 2010 11:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Logic is flawed?

Ozzie Guillen - Crazy like a fox.

by ballyb on Mar 31, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

nope, don't think so

or are we quibbling about whether I should have said “300% better” (to get it too 4 times baseball’s total value)?

Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Mar 31, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't you have to look at the ratio of

.25 * (Selected baseball site value / avg of all baseball sites’ values )

to

SCG site value / avg of all hockey sites’ values?

Could be > .25

Ozzie Guillen - Crazy like a fox.

by ballyb on Mar 31, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

no - I was being objective and non-relativistic

and appropriately disdainful of baseball here at a hockey site.

Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Mar 31, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey!

Ya gotta do something when the ice melts!

My wife doesn’t take too kindly to me just randomly sitting around drinking. But if there’s a GAME on, well . . .

teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.

by 334Rules on Mar 31, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you had her trained right

you wouldn’t have to endure a lesser sport like baseball while you drink during the summer.

Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Mar 31, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey,

the Hawks season tickets were HER idea. I don’t fuck with a good thing.

teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.

by 334Rules on Mar 31, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

that is certainly a very good thing

now work on getting her perfectly trained

She’s working on you.

Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Mar 31, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Hawks tix were her reward

for my second upgrade on Sox tix. When I went from the Ozzie plan to the Weekend plan (for one of 4 tix in a group), I was told that this meant I had to buy her Hawks tickets. (We had been going just a few times a year.)

As you can see, I am a VERY lucky dude. I’m pretty sure most guys on this blog would love to be “trained” like that!

teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.

by 334Rules on Mar 31, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, they were just asking if they could go elsewhere

not discuss it here

Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 31, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Enjoyment

of the two is not mutually exclusive.

Ozzie Guillen - Crazy like a fox.

by ballyb on Mar 31, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

SouthSideSox.com

Ozzie Guillen - Crazy like a fox.

by ballyb on Mar 31, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Buff

Needs to get his ass infront of the goalie again!!! The one time he was there, seabrook almost scored from the point.

by Buttfudge on Mar 31, 2010 11:54 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

And light the

“give a shit” spark under him too

Yep, thats infected.

by Bonvie5ForFighting on Mar 31, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh

I’m not going to even mull over what is wrong, just fix the fucking problem, or find someone that will.

When in Rome we shall do as the Romans, when in Hell we do shots at the bar.

by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Mar 31, 2010 12:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Huet rhe phoenix...

…rises from the ashes?

Hey, a guy can dream, right?

by cliffkoroll on Mar 31, 2010 12:43 PM CDT reply actions  

sorry...

…bit of trouble spelling ‘the’.

by cliffkoroll on Mar 31, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing last night

I’m making French Toast and Fries tonight in his honor

Chewing gum?

by laaarmer on Mar 31, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why not?

I feel lost without daily goalie debates anyway

by Hjammer of the Gods on Mar 31, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

we could start talking about

who will be in net next year.

SCH Resident Idiot
The only Cup we can win is this years

by Johnny Lava on Mar 31, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

What we need in Kipper

He doesn’t need a coach to take him out. He takes himself out. It would make (the coach whose name I cannot say) obsolete.

Chewing gum?

by laaarmer on Mar 31, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

If this happens and it leads us deep into the playoffs

I may never ask for another thing ever again.

But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."

(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)

by chiblackhawks on Mar 31, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

and the winner of the Toews face entrant is......

The pig nose mural on the Eisenhower

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Mar 31, 2010 1:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Puck Daddy Link

Pignose

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Mar 31, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

He looks more like Crosby

than Tazer. :(

I will not sully the site with a picture.

by Katherine215 on Mar 31, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

AHHHHH!

It’s Kopecky!!!!!!

Gave guy wrong photo!

Chewing gum?

by laaarmer on Mar 31, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've seen shit on refrigerator doors

that looks more professional than that.

Yikes.

teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.

by 334Rules on Mar 31, 2010 1:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Stay off the ledge

We all thought this was the season for the best chance at the Cup, so with the current slump (or whatever it is) we’re all a bit concerned. Totally valid and I’m not feeling too confident either.

But…

Toews, Kane, Hossa, Keith, and Campbell are here for the next 5 years. This is not our last chance for the Cup. We will be seeing something most of us have never seen with this team. A long string of consecutive seasons making the playoffs, a yearly chance of winning it all.

It would be great to do it this year, but if we don’t, I at least will take comfort from knowing that next season has just as much hope and promise as there was at the beginning of this season.

Relax a bit everyone. The Hawks aren’t going away in this division for a long time.

SCH Resident Idiot
The only Cup we can win is this years

by Johnny Lava on Mar 31, 2010 1:45 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm in the basement

You are right, of course. They will be around for a while.

Chewing gum?

by laaarmer on Mar 31, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point, I suppose

but doesn’t that mean you should change your signature line?

teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.

by 334Rules on Mar 31, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

The beauty of it

is it will work next season too without changing a thing.

or do you mean I’m not an idiot?

SCH Resident Idiot
The only Cup we can win is this years

by Johnny Lava on Mar 31, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

/entire SCH community hits “Z” scroll button, slowly backs away from their computers…

Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 31, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I always took this as "the only game you can win is the one you're playing now"

And if Johnny L is the resident idiot, we either have one (or more) lower levels, or lots of squatters.

Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Mar 31, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think anyone with half a brain took it that way

Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 31, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

remember, there is a larger audience than that here

you’ve had to endure enough twaddle here to know that

Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Mar 31, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

well, I did sort of steal it

from the White Sox GM. So it was a simple statement anyways.

SCH Resident Idiot
The only Cup we can win is this years

by Johnny Lava on Mar 31, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

krome gets it.

SCH Resident Idiot
The only Cup we can win is this years

by Johnny Lava on Mar 31, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree completely

However, if the Hawks do poorly in the playoffs I suspect there may be quite a bit more roster turnover in the off season than may have been the case otherwise.
Some of the RFA’s & UFA’s on the the roster may not get the kind of effort from the organ-I-zation to have them return if this “el foldo” continues. I think the peripheral cast may look quite a bit different next year.

non se•qui•tur (nŏn sěk'wĭ-tər, -tŏŏr')
n. 1. An inference or conclusion that does not follow from the premises or
evidence.
2. A statement that does not follow logically from what preceded it.

by nextgame on Mar 31, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Up until recently.....

I feared Capocalypse. Now I feel I must embrace it, for the long term health of the organ-I-zation (and my sanity).
(turns to look into the sun)

non se•qui•tur (nŏn sěk'wĭ-tər, -tŏŏr')
n. 1. An inference or conclusion that does not follow from the premises or
evidence.
2. A statement that does not follow logically from what preceded it.

by nextgame on Mar 31, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Think...

…Jordan, Pippen and 10 guys (3 rings.)

Jordan, Pippen and 10 other guys (3 more.)

The Hawks core is deeper than this.

Part of me, though, says: carpe diem!

Exhibit A: 1985 Bears

Exhibit B: 2003 Cubs (Prior, Wood, Zambrano… seemed like a helluva young core at the time.)

So, if it’s just the same with you guys, let’s win it this year.

by cliffkoroll on Mar 31, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

didn't just seem like it

it was a young core, and that kept fans hoping for glory for several years afterwards. I’m a Sox fan, but lesson was not at all lost on me.

by puppetmasterp on Mar 31, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

true

I think the Hawks are still the youngest team in the NHL right? So some turnover of the kids for draft picks/prospects and brining in some veteran types to fill roles could be a good thing.

I really believe that part of the problem right now is a lack of understanding of how to deal with adversity because they are so young and inexperienced. On that point, I thought that was what Madden was fucking here to help with!! (that felt good)

SCH Resident Idiot
The only Cup we can win is this years

by Johnny Lava on Mar 31, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

2005 White Sox.

Ozzie Guillen - Crazy like a fox.

by ballyb on Mar 31, 2010 1:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Alright, blame me. Its all my fault

I was forced to disapear for the most part over the last few weeks, basically since the Olympic break/kumbaya karaoke contest due to the birth of our child (daughter, thank you. Already has more brains than Eager and better balance than Kopecky).

So with that disapearance I wasn’t able to follow anything much at all for a few sleep deprived weeks of changing diapers and drinking straight caffiene; including the Hawks. During that time it seems the fucking team has imploded, with broken bones, stupid ass line pairings, and a pair of goalies who keep having a conversation that goes like this:

Huet: Can you get that puck? I’m busy.
Niemi: You get it.
Huet: No, You get it
Niem: Nope, your turn.
Huet: Fuck, they scored again.

I really don’t have anything of substance to add. Just kind of looking around now that things have settled down from the last few weeks of chaos and wondering what the fuck has happened to the Blackhawks. So feel free to blame me for everything since I wasn’t paying proper attention.

by runningquicklynowhere on Mar 31, 2010 2:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Congrats on the baby!

your goalie conversation is classic.

Now get back on the couch so the team starts winning again.

by Katherine215 on Mar 31, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Already has more brains than Eager and better balance than Kopecky

Awesome.

So feel free to blame me for everything since I wasn’t paying proper attention.

Will do. At least it’s a new horse to beat.

by Hjammer of the Gods on Mar 31, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll give you a pass on the next couple weeks...

….but, going foirward, ’m holding you personally responsible.

Funny goalie conversation.

by cliffkoroll on Mar 31, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wen t to the game last night,

and I have to say, sitting on the glass is not like I thought. I never heard a single fucking whistle, and when the puck is shot around the glass…. it sounds exactly like a tornado/freight train rolling by.
Oh, and the sound of Buff ramming Tchuck into the boards is STILL rattling in my head!

/Note unceasing sarcastic laughter in background.

by burpchelischili on Mar 31, 2010 6:48 PM CDT reply actions  

so, that said

do you think it was worth the price of the ticket to be there? or would it have been better on tv?

by K_Dog on Mar 31, 2010 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Worth 400 for the 2 of us?

Over all, I would say yes. I’ll admit that I had to think about it for a few minutes though. I also saw Sopels face slammed up against the glass right in front of us… My wife had never been to see a game, and her reaction was all that I had hoped.

/Note unceasing sarcastic laughter in background.

by burpchelischili on Apr 1, 2010 5:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

at the Sopel faceglass incident. Yeah, 200 bucks a pop is pretty steep, but to see the game one time, from that perspective, its probably worth it.

by K_Dog on Apr 1, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

The bit under the pic should read

“Make a stop.” Pelican looked average at best last night.

Occam's Razor keeps the cutting clean.

by russellguldin on Mar 31, 2010 7:04 PM CDT reply actions  

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