Oh You Were Done? Well Allow Me To Retort...
By now, you've probably all seen it. It's Rob Otto's piece from Michigan Live (mlive.com) about how our Anthem Tradition must go. I debated long and hard about writing anything about it at all (Michigan Tradition dictates you burn down everything on Oct. 30th, so are they even worth my time?), but I can't help it. This is my favorite Hawk tradition, and I'm not going to let some mouth-breather besmirch it without having a say. Time for the Fire Joe Morgan Model:
Listening to the Red Wings-Blackhawks pregame on Sunday reminded me of one of the most awful traditions in sports.
I'm guessing either you were in the office, Rob, or like half the people in Michigan, you've had your TV stolen.
Jim Cornelison belted out his wonderful, booming rendition of the Star-Spangled Banner.
That is true.
The crowd yelled, screamed and clapped through the entire thing. It's something the fans started doing because they were so pumped up before a 1985 Campbell Conference playoff game against the Edmonton Oilers, and have continued it ever since.
And it makes my skin crawl every time I hear it.
While I'm sure you have no problem with Wings fans running down the aisles to throw octopi on the ice during the Anthem. I bet they listen to every word down the stairs, though.
I grew up in a military family. My father was a Commander in the United States Coast Guard and he taught me a deep love of our country, and respect for our flag. That includes standing during the National Anthem with my right hand over my heart and singing the words.
This is the line that gets me. It's not that I don't respect greatly every man and woman who has served this country. But being the descendant of one doesn't mean you are more patriotic than I am or appreciate being American more than I do (For the record, my father served in the Army, and two separate Generals called him the worst soldier in the history of the US Armed Forces. So I guess I'm Russian, right?) In fact, if your parents are off the boat immigrants who made a better life for themselves here, you could claim to appreciate America more than I do.
I understand it is a very difficult song, and many Americans feel embarrassed to sing it in public. However, if you're not singing you should at least stand in silent reverence until it is completed.
The Chicago fans are doing the exact opposite.
Has this dimwad ever seen video of the 1991 All-Star game? During the 1st Iraq War? We didn't get as loud as we ever have because we were so excited to see the All-Stars. We did it because we knew the troops were watching in Iraq and maybe, just maybe, they could have used the boost.
Their argument is that they are being more patriotic -- that yelling and screaming makes them a part of the anthem instead of just being a silent bystander. I am not buying it.
You're not buying anything, you live in Michigan.
Now, before you think is a "Detroiter hates Chicagoan" piece,
Too late.
let me remind you that fans of plenty of other sports teams disrespect the Anthem as well. Right here in Detroit, there is always some idiot who yells "Red Wings" over "the rockets' red glare." At NHL games in Dallas they yell "Stars" every time that word appears in the song.
In my opinion, it is all disrespectful to the song and what it represents -- the men and women who fought valiantly to make this country what it is today.
Let's be honest here. You don't need a fucking song to make you feel proud of the men and women who fight for this country, and if this doofus had seen the standing ovation we give a member of the military EVERY GAME, he'd know that.
I understand that the screaming at the United Center is tradition, but not all traditions are right.
*cough* Octopus *cough*
Remember what the fans used to yell at Yost Ice Arena? Obscenities abounded in the chants, especially when an opposing player was sent to the penalty box.
Ah, so cheering during the anthem is now on par with telling an opposing player to...um...put his mouth where it would please a donkey most?
It was tradition. It was just the fans getting into the game. But for the parents who brought their kids to the game, it was awful. Complaints abounded and the higher-ups at U-M heard them.
OH WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN???!!!!
The athletic department finally eliminated that particular tradition. Somehow the world kept rotating. Fans kept coming and enjoying themselves. Yost is still a difficult place to play for any opposing team.
From what I've heard, not this year.
It's the same thing that has to happen in Chicago and every other city where our National Anthem is being disrespected.
I have never met a person who didn't think the Anthem was one of the most exhilarating things they've ever experienced. We don't do it to drown out the singer. It's our tribute. Would Otto object to the tradition in Mexican soccer games, where instead of a moment of silence to honor a recently deceased figure they give him an ovation for a minute? That's essentially what we're doing. What if I'm in the can during the Anthem? Am I essentially pissing on the flag, sir?
America is far too full of this bullshit. You don't need a song, or a flag-pin, or a tattoo on your forehead to love this country. It's empty symbolism. In all honesty, I think our National Anthem is half the song that America The Beautiful is or God Bless America. Fuck, I almost agree with Joe Walsh who thinks "Wooly-Bully" should be our national anthem. The best part is I'm sure Otto wrote this simply to appeal to the rednecks of his state (which are basically everywhere outside of Detroit and Ann Arbor). Nothing lather them up but good like pointing out how "liberal, tree-hugging Chicago don't love Uncle Sam".
Your piece is utterly ridiculous, and we Hawks fans take it as an insult. But that's probably what you meant anyway, wasn't it?
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My two cents.
As both an Army Soldier, and a season ticket holder, I feel I am fairly qualified to respond to this moron’s article. First, my father, my uncle, my brother and myself are all currently serving or veterans. Whereas we all keep our hats over our hearts and sing along, it is everyone else’s right to do as they wish. Whether they want to stand in reverent silence, or go nuts and clap, yell, and sing, that is their choice and no one can take that away from them. Personally, I do not mind the cheering and clapping. In 324 where I sit, in fact, we have our own “tradition” now to point to the flag when Jim does during the Anthem. Even if people are getting into it to just go nuts and yell, and don’t understand the reasoning behind all this, that’s fine with me. It’s much preferable to some jackass sitting in his seat with his hat on the whole time as I’ve seen at other places. This is something that is unique to Chicago, and while it might not be understood or appreciated by others, it won’t go away. If other people have problems with it, then they can go fuck off, because this tradition is one that makes me proud to be a Chicagoan, and to be a Blackhawks fan.
He's the one they call Dr. Karpotsev...
by deathmonkey on Mar 9, 2010 12:16 PM CST reply actions 10 recs
just wanted to say I have partial season tickets in 324. hello! and I like the pointing tradition.
by Katherine215 on Mar 9, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
So according to Otto, restricting Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Expression
would be more patriotic, right? (I feel like I’m still drunk and stuck in some mirror world like yesterday’s thread where green is white and white is green)
I totally agree with you deathmonkey, it’s a lot better than people sitting in their seats or standing there in a coma. Going to other stadiums reminds me of when I was a kid, got taught the “Pledge of Allegiance”, and had to recite it as a class before school everyday (I guess I just dated myself). No one really enunciated the words, it became one big long slur, and the meaning was completely lost. I love to see and hear 20,000 fans physically and verbally reacting to The Anthem instead of being drones. Does Otto realize that you can still hear Cornelison and that the cheering is basically the accompaniment that makes it a truly rousing rendition?
However, if you’re not singing you should at least stand in silent reverence until it is completed.
I stand in silent reverence at funerals. I cheer when I feel an internal sense of jubilation or want to express my recognition of an effort beyond expectations (see: US soldiers). Which one is more befitting of the situation?
I really don’t get his position. We’re not booing The Anthem. If booing is negative and cheering is positive, then isn’t 20,000 fans cheering in unison the ultimate in “positive reinforcement” and therefore one of the greatest tributes us mere citizens can give to those who sacrificed for this country?
My father was a Commander in the United States Coast Guard
Richard, Henry, Benedict, Edward, James, George, Sophia and William all had a father who was an American General. Following your illogical “correlation implies causation” argument, those children were 8 times more patriotic towards the American flag than you.
By the way, their father was General Benedict Arnold, but I’m sure you all saw that coming…
That’s my bit. I’m gonna run so I can start writing my piece “Why the 21 gun salute advocates violence and is blatant disrespect for those who have died in service of their country”. I might shorten the title to something like “Detroit Sucks” though…
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 9, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I almost forgot
great line-by-line decimation of Otto’s pulp fiction Sam. PPP was right, that was you’re best line.
The only thing they’re buying in bulk in Michigan is a disproportionately high amount of tampons.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 9, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
Rec'd! This should green
Are we only greening comments that start with “I was/am in the military”? That seems to be the case so far. If so, we’re only validating Otto’s attempt to “appeal to authenticity to marginalize everyone else” (as krome mentioned below) by using military experience as reason to determine credibility. Although I believe they all had very good comments, it just seems sort of weird, or maybe expected, that this pattern emerged. I hope no one takes this as an attempt to minimize any veteran or active duty military personnel’s contribution, just an observation…
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My thought process is
that within the article, Otto makes a point about being raised in a military family and having “deep love of our country, and respect for our flag” as taught by his father. He also goes on to state that by us (Chicago fans) yelling during the anthem, it is disrespectful to veterans and current military members. Well, yes, I am currently serving, but I am also one of those people who don’t stand in complete reverent silence. Most times I do, but on occasion, i.e. the playoffs, I have gone nuts and cheered and yelled with everyone else. So what he is saying then is that I don’t respect my fellow vets, and I don’t love my country. It is a unique situation since I am a status holder in both groups. The real question is which status do I identify more with, and for the purposes of this forum and anything involving hockey, it is as a Blackhawks fan. Therefore, my status as a vet only serves to counter his claims. I believe that by yelling and getting into the Anthem, we are deciding to be more active and patriotic, because you must make a conscious choice to yell and clap, whereas most people, as others have stated here with regards to the Pledge of Allegiance, can stand and put their hand over their heart because it’s an outcome that is automatic for a lot of people, that it’s not something they think about doing, it’s just something they do because they were told they should. Sorry if it seems a little ramble-y, but I just wanted to clarify some of my thoughts on the subject.
He's the one they call Dr. Karpotsev...
by deathmonkey on Mar 10, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
false equivilancy
People are rec’d those post because they appreciate people who have served our country, not because they think their opinion is any more valid than anyone elses as to what constitutes patriotism.
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Very nicely said Sam, now about the damn children…LOL
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Completely agree...
And I hate the “I’m a son of a military guy, so this affects me more” argument.
Well, I was in the military for 10 years. I don’t mind this tradition one freaking bit. In fact, I love seeing fans actually cheering and enjoying themselves during the anthem, rather than just standing there aimlessly just humming along.
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and that’s all I need to hear, as far as I’m concerned.
This is probably not the best time
to say there’s a poll over here for most annoying fans in the NHL, is it?
Didn’t think so. I’m glad I didn’t link it.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
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This was one of the comments over on the poll...
- sonja on Tue, 9th Mar 2010 10:59 am
I also had to vote against my team’s fans (Washington Caps) because we have so many johnny-come-lately fans and they a) don’t know the game and b) make obnoxious noise during our own National Anthem. It’s bad enough to boo someone else’s national anthem, but to disrespect your own is a whole other level of stupidity.
Some people just don’t get it……
He's the one they call Dr. Karpotsev...
I've never been to Verizon Center
so I don’t know if they have the same tradition Chicago does during the national anthem—she could just be talking about people not paying attention to the anthem when they should.
Should’ve voted for Caps fans too, now that I think about it. I’ve come across a couple of them that are pretty special.
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by chiblackhawks on Mar 9, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
I have
My parents moved to D.C. a couple of years ago and we were able to get tickets before the Caps got good… The fans there are silent the whole time, and then when it comes to the part where the song goes “O say does that star-spangled…” the fans all yell “O!” I do not know if this is some sort of weird ovation to Ovechkin or what, but it is very awkward and I will take our tradition over their crappy one anyday!
actually..
that’s an Orioles thing. They’re nicknamed the O’s… so people in Baltimore always yell “O” really loud during the anthem, same way Dallas fans yell “Stars”. Before the Nationals came most people in DC were Orioles fans.. so it just kinda moves around to all DC area sports teams…
by Matthew Dirt on Mar 10, 2010 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
and in Carolina...
Hurricanes fans yell “JUSSI!” at “Oh say can you see” and “RED” at “rocket’s red glare”.
It’s interesting seeing what anthem traditions are for certain teams.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
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by chiblackhawks on Mar 10, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Good to know
I was unaware of the Orioles tradition but it makes sense… However I still think it is a little weird to transfer that tradition to the Caps when their name clearly does not start with ‘O’
it's just kinda fun to do..
They do it at Redskins games too.. I even heard it when I saw the Cubs play the Nats in DC…
by Matthew Dirt on Mar 10, 2010 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
I hate the Blackhawks, and I love this tradition. One of the coolest in sports. One solace (for me, obviously) of the Hawks being good again was this tradition coming back alive in its full-throated glory.
So many things wrong with his faux-patriotic argument, which Sam obliterated. But I wonder if he ever considered, even for a moment, that a massive, 19,000-strong roaring celebration better honors his patriotic jollies than the alternative, which is often a bunch of people and 40 players uncomfortably waiting for the song to be over so they can get on with business?
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What a complete Cunt-Rag! (to use a term from the Indian)!! I would like to shove an octopus up his ass during the anthem and see how much he screams!! What a stroke!
he must be european
My wife was taken aback at the way that one was tossed about casually by the locals.
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by Tiocfaidh ar La on Mar 10, 2010 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
not necessarily
hockey used to be a small free fire zone island of non-PC freedom and sanity. but the PC troops have now landed here as well.
by krome on Mar 10, 2010 7:11 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
are they setting up an ambush?
cause i’m looking around and i don’t see anyone
Why... Why are you never funny?
that's their plan
they look like everyone else to blend in, until their common-sense meter breaks, then they go apeshit.
He's the one they call Dr. Karpotsev...
by deathmonkey on Mar 10, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
military descendants
I grew up in a military family. My father was a Commander in the United States Coast Guard and he taught me a deep love of our country, and respect for our flag. That includes standing during the National Anthem with my right hand over my heart and singing the words.
This is the part i hated the most. I have the utmost respect for our soldiers, both current and veteran. I admire and support them no matter what. But I don’t know how being the descendant of one gives you the right to criticize others. And really, you’d be hard pressed to find someone who’s parent or grandparent didn’t serve in WWII, or one of the subsequent wars. The sheer arrogance of that statement just pisses me off.
it is an appeal to "authenticity" to marginalize everyone else
along the lines of one not being able to have a “valid” opinion on a topic of race/ethnicity unless one is a minority, or what have you – e.g. only women can weigh in on women’s issues, and ‘differently abled’ (or whatever the jargon du jour is) as to disability issues, and on and on. It peeves me too.
How odd, too
That I never remember that my Dad served in the Korean war. So I’m an expert.
Really, I was not going to cheer in St. Louis, but I couldn’t stop myself.
I also remember this happening at an AC/DC concert during the Gulf War where Angus dropped trou to reveal not his bare buttocks, but an American Flag. I mean, we didn’t sing the anthem, but the crowd went wild. It was really moving.
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I guess Q does not share the idea
of getting our goalies in a rhythm. Or picking one and sticking with him for more than 5 minutes.
We all knew Burish "could play"
the question is will Niemi?
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 9, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
I sure hope so!!
I hope one of them can string together a few more wins than 1 in a row or get pulled. Since seeing our goalies pulled 2x since the break it’s killing me. I’m just hoping it’s the rust still! We still have time but need to see the D and the goalies get back to the basics
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What he and she said!
I guess Q does not share the idea of getting our goalies in a rhythm. Or picking one and sticking with him for more than 5 minutes.
by Katherine215 on Mar 9, 2010 1:19 PM CST
Seriously though, does anyone agree with Q on this?
Duh-troit sucks.
People are stupid. This is another example. He probably thinks having a car window US flag is disrespectful to proper displaying procedure too.
I wouldn't mind those
If I didn’t see them fall on the ground. That does bother me.
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I am ex-military (Army to be exact)
and I went to a military highschool and college, and im tired of this bullshit about how this is disrespectful to servicemen or the country or Bob Dole or whatever the fuck. Seriously, someone who really knows what they are fighting for should know that they are fighting for freedom first. I freely admit that I have no problem with people BURNING the flag, because I served for their right to do that, so any argument about disrespect from a military standpoint should be negated by that. My moral objections to that act are known, however their freedom to do so is more important. Freedom of speech and expression are part of what makes this country great.
When I hear the anthem at the UC I have a feeling of national pride MORE then whenever I hear it anywhere else (except maybe at Arlington, thats pretty powerful). When Cornelison belts out “And the Rockets Red Glare” and the crowd crescendos, I get goosebumps EVERY time. Watch the video from the All Star game and tell me those people were disrespectful “The Real All Stars are in Iraq”
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by BigCSouthside on Mar 9, 2010 12:44 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Well said (although flag burning makes me want to stomp someone)
As long as they aren’t booing or being actively negative, I’m not bothered. I see the Chicago anthem tradition as positive.
It pisses me off too
But I don’t go harassing or bitching about flag burners, and I don’t think it should ever be legally regulated
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by BigCSouthside on Mar 9, 2010 2:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed on that
now as to the asshats that protested at military funerals – I would be perfectly happy to see the local police say “we’re too busy to spare the manpower to watch that” and if the bystanders were moved to use the protesters as target practice, so be it.
I didn't think there could be any lower form of human waste than a flag burner
until I saw those military funeral protesters on the news; with those signs they had. Literally made me sick to my stomach.
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those are called goosebumps you twit…and youre getting them because the anthem is fucking awesome
this is the most outragous thing i've ever heard...
are you kidding me this is outrageous. how many people do you hear that say they REFUSE to miss the anthem b.c. its sooo powerful and gives people chills. how many players say the same both on the hawks and on other teams. even the “great one” said he wasn’t sure if the 1991 ASG should be played but then heard the anthem and said he has never saw a place more patriotic in his life.
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by soupy's spin-o-rama on Mar 9, 2010 12:49 PM CST reply actions
what a loser
it is hands down the most moving national anthem in all of sports. i have a son who is a rescue swimmer in the navy and when he was able to attend a game with me this past december it brought tears to his eyes…….. he told me he felt like 22,000 people were cheering for him. so…… that queer from michigan can stick it up his fat ass, that is if he can find it. it is a celebration of america…..and a thank you to all the men and women in the armed forces past and present.
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played a tape of the Stadium’s anthem to fire up his troops…for fuck’s SAKE! Yet another bullet to the head of the “I grew up in a military family” argument.
I’m sure we all realize this is just some Detoilet tool begging for attention to his good-for-nothing daily rambling blog. He knows we’re prideful of our tradition and that he can rip it apart without being racist, sexist, or anti-American (thus really avoiding bad, perhaps violent, attention) Nevertheless, he can go straight to hell.
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the saddest part about the blogger not being 'anti-american'
as mentioned above in the thread, is that advocating the limitations of other’s right to freedom of speech/expression is about as anti-american as it gets…
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by Tiocfaidh ar La on Mar 10, 2010 12:15 AM CST up reply actions
What most people don't realize
is that your rights stop where someone else’s begin. There is no problem with him holding his beliefs as such, but he should understand that there are at a minimum 20,000+ people who go to the Hawks games that disagree with him.
He's the one they call Dr. Karpotsev...
by deathmonkey on Mar 10, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
this. so much.
rec’d.
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by chiblackhawks on Mar 10, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
Great post Sam
I’m from a military family and don’t have a patriotic bone in my body. Never really understood that line of thinking from people.
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I don’t know how even the most cynical of Americans could not feel like they want to go run down the street with ole stars and stripes after the anthem.
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I guess I can see why someone looking from the outside in would misconstrue this as insulting the National Anthem, oblivious to the fact that we’re cheering the Anthem itself (kinda in the same vein as Chief Illiniwek, but that’s another topic). Personally, I think it’s an amazing tradition, something I’m honored to be a part of at every game. I only think it’s insulting when fans start cheering “Let’s Go Hawks” and such during the Anthem. There’s 60+ minutes of game for that, give the Star-Spangled Banner it’s one minute of due.
it’s not that he thinks it is insulting that anyone has a problem with. That idiot is allowed to think whatever he wants. The part that pisses everyone off is where he says that it should end BECAUSE he thinks it’s insulting.
I think detroits existence is insulting
Can we end that too?
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by BigCSouthside on Mar 9, 2010 1:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
already happening
some plan for the city Windsor’s suburb calls for 25% to be bulldozed or something
I think Lee Greenwood this Otto guy
must run with the same circle. Can we end there existence too?
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I guess I can see why someone looking from the outside in would misconstrue this as insulting
Did Michigan finally make their secession official?
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 9, 2010 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
Rumor is Huet paid this guy to write this article
to take the microscope off of the growing goaltending debacle.
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Thanks for calling this guy's bullshit
I grew up in a military family. My father was a Commander in the United States Coast Guard and he taught me a deep love of our country, and respect for our flag. That includes standing during the National Anthem with my right hand over my heart and singing the words.
This is the line that gets me. It’s not that I don’t respect greatly every man and woman who has served this country. But being the descendant of one doesn’t mean you are more patriotic than I am or appreciate being American more than I do (For the record, my father served in the Army, and two separate Generals called him the worst soldier in the history of the US Armed Forces. So I guess I’m Russian, right?) In fact, if your parents are off the boat immigrants who made a better life for themselves here, you could claim to appreciate America more than I do.
This shit pissed me off too. I’m in the military, and I recognize that this Otto character is an ass clown of the worst degree.
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Joe Walsh said if he was elected president he’d change the anthem to “Louie, Louie!”. Not “Wooly Bully” as previously reported….
That is all carry on.
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I don't really give a shit about patriotism.
But the anthem’s cool.
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I will always follow the Flag Code, stand at attention, salute, hat removed over heart, whatever protocol calls for, and stay like that from first note to the last.
This is not obligatory, nor should it ever be for an American. The most important thing is respect. I have been to the UC many times and have never felt the ’Ole Barn and now UC tradition comes even close to disrespectfull. Each to his own to act like they wish (it kinda is an American thing to do so). Quiet the contrary to what (FUCK)SCUM-bag thinks, I have always enjoyed the energy from the Anthem, and the bigger the stage the more energy their is. I have the 1991 All-Star Game Anthem saved, and just listened to it again. Now if that does not just scream American Pride to anyone who listenens to it, well no one is going to stop you from leaving (like they did and do in those Countries where freedom is a dream, and not a given).
I love the UC tradition, hearing people scream for the Anthem is awsome and I will take anyday, it is much better the alternative of hearing some Douche-Nozzle screaming against it, now that would be REAL disrespect.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Mar 9, 2010 2:18 PM CST reply actions
My Top 4 Patriotic Sports Moments
1) 1980 U.S. Hockey197
2) 1991 NHL All-Star Game
3) 1976 Rick Monday saving the flag from being burned at Dodger Stadium
4) 2001 N.Y. Yankees 1st game after 9/11
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by cdz3210 on Mar 9, 2010 2:23 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Make them stop us?
I would like to see how they could try to make the 20,000 plus fans stop this tradition. Good luck with that. I first heard it at the Stadium and I still get chills just thinking about it. Every “new” fan that I have brought to a game with me has thought it was the best anthem they had ever heard. It definitely is not disrespectful and I have never personally heard any military friends say that they wish it would stop.
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A-Fucking-Men!
Sam, you’ve posted one for time and eternity on this one. Nice work.
And a 334 Salute to the vets who have posted their support!
teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wings fan at a time.
Cmon guys
This guy has a legitimate point. I remember when President HW Bush almost fired General Schwarzkoph for showing Messmer’s performance to some of his troops.
Somebody didn’t teach the General to give the anthem its proper respect.
"Whats your location Chief?"
"Well, Im on a road. Appears to be asphalt. I am directly under the Earth's sun......now."
To be honest
I am more offended by singers who want to ut their own personal signature on the national anthem.
It’s not an easy song to sing. It has highs and lows in it and the tune comes from an old English bar song. But it is our song, and I believe it should be sung the right way.
Living up in the land of Scum, I used to have Tigers season tickets.
On Opening Day every year, there are fighter jets that fly over the stadium from Selfridge Air Base which is nearby. One year, the singer decided she wanted to put her own signature on the national anthem. She was singing it so slowly, that I leaned over to my daughter and said she’ll never get through it. Sure enough, she didn’t even get to the rockets red glare and here came the jets. It drowned out the rest of the song.
I am more offended by a Roseanne Barr rendition or some of the other performers who have “sung” the national anthem. There have been times where I felt like booing the performance, but didn’t because I didn’t want people to think I was booing the national anthem.
It’s about the country, not the singer. I think some of the performers forget this.
More soldiers than I can count have died giving us the right to cheer the national anthem. What is so unpatriotic about that?
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)
A Canadian perspective?
I’ve been to four games at the UC. Each time during the anthem I feel almost the urge to let out laughter … I mean, I’ve been so positively overwhelmed and forced to smile so widely that a giggle almost just naturally happens. I feel so fucking good. I’m a Canadian, a fiercely proud Canadian, but in those moments I honestly almost wished I had a US passport, too, to share my allegiance.
www.mjt.org
Also, I really don’t get the coupling that happens so often in the US where the military and the troops automatically get drawn into any argument about patriotism. I know the words of your anthem and their origin, but it’s not that anymore—or it’s far more, anyway, it’s become a “simple” symbol of pride in country … you can feel that pride, and show it, in a lot of different ways.
But then ya, we’re not exactly a military-minded nation here, so that could be the source of the weirdness I feel, I guess.
www.mjt.org
Does anyone think the troops..
Give a shit about the the UC? I mean if they did…. when is there at least on of them on the ice for this “shameful” display every fucking night… I guess that means they aren’t patriotic either…
I have been trying
all season to be able to get on the ice for the anthem, but no luck thus far. It’s seemingly impossible for me, even though I have contacted the people however many times.
He's the one they call Dr. Karpotsev...
by deathmonkey on Mar 10, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
very interesting
to hear your thoughts on the subject. Thank you for that. It makes me happy that you get the same feeling out of the experience. Sure, its about patriotism for most of the people there, but its also like a coming together of all the fans’ energy, in anticipation of the battle about to be fought by the team we are so passionate about, in our country that we are so proud of living in. I know what you mean by that feeling of smiling and laughing, some get goosebumps, or well up with tears. I’ve had all those happen at different times, some all at the same time. You’re right, it just feels good; but it is very difficult to explain to someone who hasn’t been there firsthand. You can try to explain, but it only makes sense when you take that person to their first game, and during the anthem you look at that person and they look back at you, and you can see it in their eyes, they know.
I just regret that some ’Hawks fans never got to experience the anthem at the old Stadium. The building would fucking shake like it was going to crumble to the ground.
Oh man, the old Stadium … that’s one thing on the time machine agenda. As soon as I get one I’m going. Gonna get Stosh and Chico Maki’s autographs, too, and Dirk Graham’s on my second trip.
www.mjt.org
time machine
When you get your time machine I’d like to rent or borrow it from you for a trip or two. There are a couple things I’d like to see.
I read a decent sci-fi story a number of years ago
where people had equipment to allow viewing of the past – and the most common single item the general population viewed was their own conception.
sort of the point of the story
like how porn/smut drove the business/financial establishment of many new technologies – e.g. the printing press, polaroid cameras, video recorders and cameras, internet
And to the Canadians...
…I feel the same way when I see that clip of the Oilers fans just taking over the anthem from the singer against Anaheim in 2006. That was pretty frigging sweet. I love our tradition, but…that was pretty frigging sweet.
by GenPabloSecobar on Mar 10, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
I'd never heard that about the '06 Oilers/Ducks game
So I looked it up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meLpuF9UMvk
Wow, you were right…pretty frigging sweet indeed.
That.
Was.
Awesome.
"...about six feet from the moose's butt."
by The Fearless Freep on Mar 10, 2010 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
this numbskull
will apparently be on wgn tomorrow morn at 6:30…tune in – i hope there is an on air raping
It used to be Ottoman
but…
(Feel free to fill in the rest. Chicken dinner to the winner)
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 9, 2010 6:07 PM CST up reply actions
When did the guys from Detroit get to be the voice of reason
They’re trolling over here telling us we not sophisticated. It’s ironic.
Have to make a point about “The Star Spangled Banner”. It’s my favorite, not the whole song just the first verse. It’s the perfect song for the humble superpower we aspire to be today. It reminds us that there was a time where our very existence was in doubt. A time where after a night of being attacked on our soil by a foreign aggressor, we waited to find out if we were still a free nation. Did the fort hold? Did we have to surrender? Is our flag still flying? When he belt out “Oh say does that star spangled banner yet wave” I get chills every time.
I got chills reading it when you wrote it
It gets taken for granted and people don’t really think about what Key was saying when he wrote it. Nice to be reminded.
My boss up here
Nice guy, but he went into this rant one day about how the US anthem is a ridiculously bellicose. I’m not entirely sure what his point was, other than that he didn’t agree with US policy/culture, but his exact quote was, “Name one other anthem that has a line like, ‘Bombs bursting in air.’”
To which I responded, first of all, there are a lot of very violent, very jingoistic anthems in this world, and if you’re going to attack the US anthem, then what can you possibly say about France’s? Secondly, I asked him if he knew that they weren’t our bombs. It was pretty clear he’d never listened to the lyrics, or read the history of the song.
Why... Why are you never funny?
I'm not sure
what part of Canada you’re in. Anyway there is a line in the French version (Car ton bras sait porter l’épée) that translates to “As is thy arm ready to wield the sword”. It might not sound as violent as “the bombs bursting in air” but as you pointed out they weren’t our bombs
Competitive violence, that's why you're here!
I'm in Quebec
and he’s French-Canadian. It seemed weird to me, especially since he was serious (although he said it while good-naturedly ribbing me).
Why... Why are you never funny?
We were at WAR!
Of course he’s going to mention bombs, they were going off while he watched. It’s nice to know it’s not only Americans who think they are knowledgeable about everything when they really aren’t.
by Katherine215 on Mar 10, 2010 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
I know
I never said (or thought) they were.
My point was that, regardless of who was bombing, it was written while Key was watching a battle. Mentioning bombs in his poem doesn’t make it (or the US) bellicose or especially violent, whether they were our bombs or not. It was more what applied to the imagery of the moment.
by Katherine215 on Mar 10, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
and I caught that you had a good handle on it
it was, as usual, the douchenozzle complaining and whining that was totally off base factually.
I'm also a former Army vet...and I love the tradition.
I get chills every time. I took my dad to a game last season, his first since 1970, and when asked his favorite part of the whole game:
“The Anthem”
Everywhere else the anthem is a time for quiet reflection. At the UC, you feel the unbridled love of country in every yell, clap and scream. There is nothing else like it.
I swear I was at last week’s Edmonton game, cheering my head off and I couldn’t help but think of my buddy from the service. We met at Fort Sill, but he was a Chicago native and a big ‘Hawks fan like I was. We became fast friends. We served three years together in the 3d ID at Ft Stewart GA. I left the service while he stayed in. He died in 2004 in Iraq on a tour he volunteered for, somewhere he didn’t have to be. I know he would have loved to have been at the UC, to experience the national anthem. He would have understood what it meant. So I cheered even louder….for him.
I’m with BigC up above. I didn’t swear to defend the flag or an anthem. I swore to defend the consititution and our rights as Americans. And just as I defended this assclown’s rights to publish this crap on the internet, I defended our right to cheer the national anthem. He exercised his right, I will continue to exercise mine….
by KingTalkyTiki on Mar 9, 2010 5:25 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
I am former Army,
I was with the 123rd sig in Wurzburg Germany, back then it was the home of 3rd Inf Division. After that I went to Ft. Huachuca, where I served in the Honor Guard for 10 months. Our job was to raise and lower the flag every day, and to perform Military funerals for veterans. When I hear the anthem played, I think of the 263 funerals that I was a part of, as well as my fathers funeral. I also think of the friends that I lost in Desert Storm, and the fact that I almost became another number for CNN to report while I was there. ( Thank God for the squints that created Kevlar Helmets, or the bullet would have gone through my head.) I have stood in the UC during the anthem, and cried. The cheering that reverberates through the building is truly one of the greatest emotional highs in my life. I hope to hear it over and over again.
Fuck-face Otto can kiss my ass, I for one know what the cheering is for. His loss…
/Note unceasing sarcastic laughter in background.
by burpchelischili on Mar 10, 2010 8:29 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I was also
with 3rd ID during my active time at Ft. Stewart. I went over for the first go-round in Iraq, and we lost 3 soldiers over there. When I came home on leave and got to go to the first game, I thought about those guys and cried. I also attended NIU, and one of the shooting victims from Valentine’s Day was in the veteran’s club with me. When we had the time off school for them to figure everything out, my release was going to the hockey games that week. I almost bawled after the Anthem thinking about her. For me, when I go, every time it is a time of reflection of what I’ve done and gone through, and the people I knew that aren’t around anymore. It is comforting to hear everyone going nuts, instead of sitting in some silent arena like a funeral.
He's the one they call Dr. Karpotsev...
by deathmonkey on Mar 10, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Assbag was just on ESPN 1000
He has never been to a Hawks game! I think it was Harry said “You’d think as a journalist you’d want to experience something before commenting.”
They invited him to the UC April 11 to experience it firsthand.
by 300LevelBleacherBum on Mar 9, 2010 5:44 PM CST reply actions
Seriously?
Because I’m pretty sure NBC didn’t air the anthem on Sunday.. meaning he couldn’t have even seen/heard the anthem recently. What a fuckstick
Said he was listening on the radio
And the Detroit TV never shows the anthem. Meaning he’s never seen it on TV, let alone in person.
by 300LevelBleacherBum on Mar 9, 2010 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
Call to Screams!
IF this Ass-hat is going to be at the game on 4/11 then those in attendence need to scream/roar/whistle, whatever it takes – to completely blow the roof off of the UC!
Bigger & louder then last years playoffs even!! I couldn’t even hear Jim’s booming voice over the cheers – I was a sobbing mess at the end of the rendition!!
Joe McCarthy descendent
obviously.
When in Rome we shall do as the Romans, when in Hell we do shots at the bar.
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Mar 9, 2010 5:47 PM CST reply actions
This guy wins
I can almost guarantee he doesn’t give a shit about the anthem at all. At a time when the Blackhawks are the hottest team in the NHL and actually garnering some mainstream sports media attention, this guy is the kind of whore to exploit it for his own interests. He is getting put on the radio and WGN? That’s his whole goal, get more exposure. If he’s lucky then it will snowball, ESPN, NBC during intermission on Sunday, etc.
EVERYBODY LOOK AT ME!
..."He's good."
by it'snotsomuchmeasitisroenick on Mar 9, 2010 6:09 PM CST reply actions
America, the Blackhawks and the National Anthem @ the UC
FUCK YEAH!
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On the subject of the military...
My dad served in the army – in ‘71 my parents had to move to Virginia where he was stationed. Being season ticket holders they missed the Cup Finals that year – I still don’t think he’s decided whether that was a curse or a blessing.
In any case, I can’t think of anything more disrespectful to your fellow Americans than having to sit next to a Scum fan who has a stinky ass Octopus hidden in their shirt for three periods of hockey. Yeech!
"FACEOFF!" "Makes the pass." "FIGHT!" - 8 bit hockey
Thank you Rob "Fuckhead" Otto...
For the word vomit you spewed all over your little corner of the internet. At least now we’re not talking about our alleged goalie controversy. By the way, having family in the military doesn’t make you an expert on patriotism. Hawks fans are cheering for America when we cheer during the Anthem.
But look on the bright side, the goatee/leather jacket combo you’re sporting in your photo on your blog indicates you will be seen on “To Catch a Predator” very soon. So you got that going for you… which is nice.
P.S. BLACKHAWKS – I mean AMERICA – FUCK YEAH!
by Cristobal the Cat on Mar 9, 2010 7:10 PM CST reply actions
Im getting a group of people together to go find this ass-bag........
there have a lot of people talking about the 1991 All Star Game. I remember watching the game. As I mentioned before, half of Chicago has sent me the link, so I watched the Anthem again today.
You know what’s happening in that video? A huge group of people not realizing they are disrespecting the Star Spangled Banner.
Rob Otto- A new ass-bag of hockey
Tremendously Tremendous!
by the way thats his response to a comment fyi
Rob Otto- A new ass-bag of hockey
Tremendously Tremendous!
by Mr. CheeseHead on Mar 9, 2010 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
You know
he’s gotten exactly what he wanted with this column: his 5 minutes of regional, if not national, fame. People are talking about his article, writing about his comments, putting him on the radio to run his idiot mouth, driving up his page hits, everything he hoped would happen by writing that shit.
I vote we stop giving him the satisfaction of talking about the article. Everyone worth caring about knows the intentions behind the cheering.
LMFAO
You’re not buying anything, you live in Michigan.
Funniest thing I’ve heard in a WHILE
BTW my thoughts exactly and rec’d
JoeFlah
How can you have
a “misdirected show of patriotism?” I mean, what does that even mean? Short of removing someone’s rights for “patriotic” reasons (e.g. if someone were to beat a Muslim following a terrorist act), how can a heartfelt display of patriotism be “misdirected” or disrespectful?
Why... Why are you never funny?
I've been thinking about this article all day
I went to a hockey game. I ate some Korean food. I forgot to buy a ticket back to the US. I had a couple beers with some guys from Halifax. And through it all, I was thinking about Otto and his otticle.
My thoughts boil down to this: He’s right. No matter how spurious his analogies are (the swearing at Wolverines games and the Scum fans shouting “Wings” over “glare”), his basic point stands. The cheering at the UC is in violation of the US code.
Do you know what else is in violation of US flag code? Having a flag fly during inclement weather. So, if you have a Stars and Stripes flying, and it starts to rain, you need to lower it or else you’re violating the code.
And who the fuck cares about that? Because, ultimately, the average American feels it’s more important to have the flag fucking flying (!) than to keep it dry.
Similarly, we Chicagoans feel it is more important to vocally (and with applause) show our patriotism during the anthem than it is to remain silent. It is a tradition of our city, and one which we hold onto dearly. Hawks fans know that they are not cheering on the team, which is an important distinction; the applause are for the flag, the anthem, and the nation.
At its heart, isn’t that what America is all about? The 13 colonies said “Don’t Tread on Me,” not “We Would Prefer to Be Treated Fairly.” Davy Crockett, a great American hero, famously said, “You may all go to hell and I will go to Texas.” He then died at the Alamo. American patriotism is, and always has been, equal parts braggadocio and reverence. To throw a hissy fit over a heartfelt patriotic display is, in my eyes, ignorant of both the reasons behind the display and the history of America.
Why... Why are you never funny?
it multiculturalism in action!
it is how Chicagoans do honor the anthem & flag & America.
Do you think this asshat would go into a Southside Baptist church and tell the congregation to shut up & sit still during worship? No, that would be racist and all that shit. Would he go to an Irish wake and insist that they put away the booze and stop telling loud stories about the deceased? Hell no (well, maybe only once).
Well, same thing here. This is Chicago, we do it our way. No one gets to tell us precisely how we express our respect, or patriotism.
by krome on Mar 10, 2010 7:23 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I could also make an argument
that it may teach some to be respectful of the anthem and flag.
I’ve been to many car events which always include the national anthem. I’ve seen way too many (for my tastes) continue to do what they were doing, chatting with each other, keeping hats on, etc. while at these events.
If some of those people saw everyone with their hats off and facing the flag, they may learn something.
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There's still meatheads
at the UC that insist on keeping their hats on or attempting to run up the aisle while the Anthem is going on. But it’s far fewer than I have seen other places, and most people in fact run up to the concourse to watch everything.
He's the one they call Dr. Karpotsev...
by deathmonkey on Mar 10, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
I was reading the comments on mlive.com
Apparently even Scum fans are standing up to Otto, telling him he’s full of shit…this guy is a douchetard, no wonder people try to leave michigan
I love the Anthem tradition
It seems obvious to me that, if anything, the tradition taps into a vein of hyper-nationalism. I’m not saying it’s quite fascistic, but it draws from the same well.
Suggesting the tradition is disrepectful or unpatriotic is an utter misinterpretation and could not be more wrong.
Oh yeah Rob Otto?.........
Well, my dad drives a Hostess truck, so twinkies taste better to me than they do to you.
"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."
by hackerar on Mar 11, 2010 11:10 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Honestly?
I thought this discussion was thoroughly thrashed out at 100 comments. Yet here I am, coming back to read more. And Rob Otto, that fucko, still doesn’t have a last name.
This fucking Douche Bag Rob "I like sitting on Dildos" Otto was just on Fox and Friends.
Wouldthis fucking cum dumpster just shut the Fuck UP! He has no Fucking Clue of what he is talking about or about what FREEDOM really is. In this shit head’s eyes you free to do what you want provided, HE likes what you intend to do. This Whores value of Freedom is shallower than his researching a product, admittingly never had gone the UC but will spew this shit.
Why does this Ass Clown feel it nessecary to make an issue out of Pride and Tradition? His sense of Freedom is more pure than yours. He cites the US Code, but forgets the US Constitution is supreme to that.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances”
Trust me, if I even felt for a second what happens at the UC was TRUELY disrespectful to the Flag or the United State I would be all over it. That Honor and Pride is sacred in my eyes, and is worth defending, but is not under attack here.
Anyways got to go to work, doing that whole defending the Country thing, thanks for letting me rant.
BTW
FUCK ROB “Cock Holster” OTTO and FUCK SCUM
If it works don't go and F*** it up!
"SQUIRREL"
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Mar 12, 2010 5:35 AM CST reply actions
"Wouldthis fucking cum dumpster just shut the Fuck UP!"
Why would he, when he’s getting all this attention and outrage?
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
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by chiblackhawks on Mar 12, 2010 6:52 AM CST up reply actions
all the attention (even negative) feeds his "center of teh universe" self-focus
and probably makes him feel even more self-important and significant

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