Back To The Issues That Really Matter
Anyway, back to the ice, which is what we really care about. According to Jesse Rogers, Antti Niemi will start tomorrow's game against LA. In my mind, Niemi then must get almost all of the starts from here on out. Otherwise, Coach Q is needlessly points-chasing, which helped get us in this mess in February. These 17 games left are all about getting the team in playoff shape. First and foremost is getting one of the goalies into a rhythm and finding confidence. They're cemented in the #2 seed, and I don't know of anyone who thinks it's vital to have the #1 seed. Sure, it sounds cool, and the idea of starting every series at home appeals. But you might do that anyway after another San Jose crash and burn, and even if that doesn't happen the Hawks don't require home-ice to dispatch those softies. You're not going to catch the Caps for the President's Trophy. Their conference and division especially are far too weak for them to drop enough points to be caught. So if Q's going with Niemi or bust, that's fine. If this is more goalie-jockeying for points, then I'm going to have to object.
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My hope...
…is for Q to give Niemi somewhere around 8 of the next 10 games and just let him go.
If he doesn’t take hold, you basically know it is going to be Huet and you’ll have 7 games to get him ready for the playoffs.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
He will...
given on how Niemi performs on Wed against a solid LA team. They can score, the D is fast moving and there goaltending has been pretty consistent this season w/ Quick (score 1 for my fantasy team)
Hockey is life! Lets go Hawks!
Given that Huet is the vet & ought to be the #1 guy
If I were in Q’s place, I’d be focusing on him for the first half ot the remaining regular season games.
I’d sit him down and tell him he has the helm and will get all the time (except the weaker opponent of back to back games), the shepherd’s hook is gone and Huet is lashed to the crossbar to work it out.
If he consistently shits the bed through that stretch under that scenario, drop a couple hundred bucks in Melrose Park and have him whacked – then it would be up to Niemi and Crawford to see who can channel the spirit of Ken Dryden from 1971.
Agree with this
except for the whacking part. he has kids.
Huet’s shown that he can get out of a funk earlier in the year which led to a pretty nice November and December. However, I think Q’s definition of a “hot goalie” is different than mine if he thought Niemi was hot leading up to the Olympic break. I thought the team was just good enough in most of those games to win, with some luck and shootouts thrown in.
the whacking part was - mostly - facetious
at $5 a year, he ought to have insurance (nah, I just won’t pursue that line of snark).
When I coached the kids’ team, I was more of the split games mindset – but that is youth sports where I thought everyone ought to play at least a little. I would frequently have the goalies split each period roughly evenly (so neither would entirely cool down – and I didn’t go too long a stretch without having the opportunity to discuss what had gone on in his playing time). But the Hawks ain’t youth sports (where mom & dad are paying fees and driving a lot)
I know, I was kidding
Kids sports is totally different. Of course, they should all get a chance, especially young kids.
Exaclty what I said yesterday
I thought Q would come right back with Huet and give him time to show he can take control. If he fails, you still have time to get Niemi sharp before the playoffs.
In the back of my mind, I’m thinking Q’s preference is for Niemi to take charge here and run with it. Huet is a veteran, and you basically know (for the most part) what you are going to get with him. Q may think Niemi has a higher ceiling, and his floor is probably not any worse than Huet’s.
Who can forget Dryden from 71. He was the main reason the Candians beat two teams (the Bruins and Hawks) who outplayed the Canadiens in both those series.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Q's preference
I agree with you. I think he’s really been hoping Niemi would just take it over. Why else would he keep playing him leading up to the Olympics? Those were not “hot goalie” wins to me.
I agree
Even about the whacking.
I also like that Ken Dryden was brought up twice in one day. (even though he was on the hated Habs that broke my 11 year old heart.)
He broke my...
…10 year old heart in 71.
He was damn good, but he got a little lucky as well – Bobby Hull’s shot off the cross bar that would have made game seven 3-0 and it would have been all over.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
4-5 years ago...
…I took the kids to meet Bobby Hull at Fox Valley ice arena during an autograph signing. I asked him if he remembered that shot, and he said he has vivid memories of it. He said one inch lower and the flood gates would have been open and they would have won the game going away.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I just turned 11
when this happened. This was and always will be the worst sports moment in my life.
Competitive violence, that's why you're here!
I was 11 as well
and my brother and I cried ourselves to sleep that night listening to Lloyd Petit describe the eventual victory for the Habs after we had this game and Lord Stanley’s Cup in our hip pocket. Or so we thought.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
I was trying to remember
why I was listening to them on the radio instead of watching them on TV. Were they not televised or was our only TV monopolized by one of my older brothers? Lloyd Petit was the best! (Sorry Pat)
Pettit...
…is the best play by play man I have ever in any sport, bar none.
Foley is good, but he is not nearly as descriptive as Pettit was, which is why Foley is much better on TV.
Game 7 was broadcast on CBS during prime time, but Wirtz blacked it out all around Chicago. During the 71 playoffs, certain movie theaters showed the Hawks games via close circuit and the demand was incredible.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Old Dollar Bill blacked out the Chicago TV market
the “organ-I-zation” was deferring to the delicate sensibilities of the “season reservation holders”
Asshole.
I thought Arthur was still in charge in 1971
but I’m old and the memory is fading.
However, I definitely remember the blackouts now. Hard to imagine their thought processes.
You might be right
Arthur & Bill run together in my mind (there was little of substance to distinguish them for me).
The current Wirtz in charge? Long live Rocky!
Here here!
Long live Rocky!! Best thing to happen to Chicago sports since Jerry Vanisi and Jim Finks.
quibble - "Hear, hear"
From Brit parliment usage, but I’ve already done one history lesson today, so I’m at my quota.
Everyone hates lawyers.
We don’t exactly have a real “lovable” function in society.
And the field draws (and rewards) a lot of pretty toxic personality traits.
Do a google search...
…for videos under Lloyd Pettit and you will find a 10 minute highlight reel of several big games (a few of the 71 final games).
It’s very very good.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I've never heard anyone better than Pettit.
And for baseball, I grew up with Vince Lloyd and Lou Boudreau. Those guys were just fun to listen to.
there have been a few that were similarly excellent
and if I had listened to them over a long period, I could concieve of the idea that I might hold them in the same regard.
I new a guy that played for Boudreau in Kansas City, and hated him passionately.
I can still hear the clamk of that shot
I was 13 then.
by krome on Mar 9, 2010 7:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I have watched that film...
…a million times. I bought it originally in the mid 70’s when it was on super 8 film and you ran it on a projector.
My brother and dad went to this game, and I remember the first thing they mentioned when he got home was Hull’s shot off the cross bar and then how the mojo changed a few minutes later with Lemaire’s long blast.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
the 70s porn soundtrack backing the old newsreel announing was a hoot
but watching opened some very old, very deep heartache.
I was totally crushed by that loss.
Let's hope
today’s kids don’t experience that. (I’m not trying to start up anything again but I’ll point out that back then we lost and we had Tony-0 in goal…)
Was that the ice fog game?
I happened to be across the aisle with Keith Magnuson coming back from a business trip. Started talking with him….great guy. He said they had fog on the ice that game and once in a while they had players off the bench to skate around and dissipate it. Before that center ice shot, the Hawks asked the refs to skate around and were refused. Tony didn’t pick up the shot from center until too late.
It was the fog game...
…the temp was in the 80’s that day and the Stadium AC was far to inadequate to handle the situation.
From all the interviews I have heard about Lemaire’s shot, most guys don’t blame the fog, they say Tony just missed it.
Esposito’s achille’s heel was always the long shot throughout his career. He wore contacts, so you know that had to have something to do with his ability to pick up shots from a distance.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Especially with the quality of contacts at that time
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 10, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
Weren’t they made of glass back then? And had frames? And they sat on the nose?
Why... Why are you never funny?
Believe it or not...
1508 Leonardo da Vinci illustrates the concept of contact lenses
1823 British astronomer Sir John Herschel conceptualizes practical lens design
1887 First contact lens manufactured from glass, and fitted to cover the entire eye
1939 Contact lenses first made from plastic
1948 Plastic contact lenses designed to cover only the eye’s cornea
1971 Introduction of soft contact lenses
But yeah, they were considered hard contact lenses back then and not comfortable or good for sports
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 12, 2010 1:01 AM CST up reply actions
I love the tangential history lessons here
but I think we’re supposed to footnote and all that shit.
Ha!
touche!
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 12, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
I certainly don't care
but some people get all twisted about stuff like that (you didn’t think I’d remember … ‘cause I’m like, old and stuff)
Instead of having him whacked
maybe someone can revoke his working visa
Competitive violence, that's why you're here!
There wouldn't be a Cap hit
They wear Berets in France.
Sorry – that’s really bad.
Competitive violence, that's why you're here!
by cdz3210 on Mar 9, 2010 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Holy balls!
Humor is a religion; puns are a cult.
Occam's Razor keeps the cutting clean.
by russellguldin on Mar 9, 2010 4:56 PM CST up reply actions
I've always said hockey is a cult religion
so punning would just fit in as appropriate cult activity
by krome on Mar 9, 2010 5:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What I got out this entire comment string
is that you guys are old!
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 9, 2010 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
men ... mature? oh, please!
now your just tossing complete bullshit around
by krome on Mar 9, 2010 7:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
it is sometimes hard to tell wisdom
from a simple reaction to just having been hit in the head with the hammer too often.
but, I guess that is a form of wisdom itself.
Who knows
with Q? Maybe he’s still got a high BAC from that DUI a couple of years ago, and it’s effecting his thought process.
He's the one they call Dr. Karpotsev...
Quenneville is fucking the end of the season up!
Hopefully this is his final decision, but if he needs a lifeline, he knows who to call.
"All questions must be submitted in writing"
BLou?
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 9, 2010 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
ummmm, doesn't quite look like it
"Antti started before the Olympic [break] and he got a little bit of the last game [against Detroit]," Quenneville said. "This gives him a chance to get back in the net. We’ll see how he responds."
[…]
"It’s important that somebody establishes himself and takes charge. I think both guys can play. We’re not blaming [Huet] for last game; I just think Antti gets a chance to grab the net," said Quenneville. "We’ve got back-to-back games this weekend and a lot of tough opponents as well as a condensed schedule. They’ll both see some time here and we’re looking for both of them to take charge."
(From the Blackhawks’ Official Blog)
Sooooo he’s still waiting to see which one has the hot hand, I guess.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
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can't blame Coach Q...
he is just looking for someone to want the starting job more and step up his play accordingly. I think that in the next 17 games Huet will step it up and take firm grip of the starting job. Then all we’ll need is for the D-men pull its collective head out of its ass.
by Cristobal the Cat on Mar 9, 2010 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
My hope is the way all this seemed to come to a head sunday
the team as a whole will rally around the goalie and tighten up defensively.
I last had that thought after The Collapse In Minneapse, however, and not much changed.
Picture bloodbaths and elevator shafts
Like these murderous rhymes tight from genuine craft
You think these guys are already just making time...
…waiting for the playoffs to start? I certainly hope not. It’s one of the reasons why running away with a division or conference championship can lead to problems. You can’t ratchet up intensity with a wave of a hand, when the playoffs begin.
Q and the Hawks have to find something to play for – I like the idea of not playing for the President’s Cup – kiss of death there. Really appears as though the intensity has dropped off a bit, especially when playing lesser teams (Islanders as an example). Limping into the playoffs is no way to get into post-season play…er, well, you know what I mean.
Maybe when Burish starts playing the intensity will pick up. In the meantime, Huet or Niemi, whenever you guys think it might be time to start picking it up, we’d certainly appreciate it. And when it does happen I would not be surprised to see the confidence and intensity from rest of the team pick up.
"...about six feet from the moose's butt."
by The Fearless Freep on Mar 9, 2010 2:33 PM CST reply actions
About that something to play for
I agree to the sense you sometimes find that when you run away w/ the division that it’s tough to get motivated (see SJ). However…I think if you need to find something like the presidents cup to get yourself motivated then do it. I dont really care as long as we can turn it up a notch or 2.
The Hawks are a very talented team and sometimes being spoiled by that knowing how good they can play when they have a rough month or so can really feel like a kick in the ass!
Hockey is life! Lets go Hawks!
Don't Sell The Farm Quite Yet.......
Did any of you happen to see the Vancouver game on Friday night? Maybe it was just me, but I thought that the 1st period had as much energy as I’ve seen from the Hawks and the fans as I’ve seen all year. Minus the 6-5 comeback win against Calgary. I do agree that there are stretches where they do not have as much jump as others, but so it goes. Every team in the NHL goes through the same thing. This team has proved to me that when it’s time to answer the bell, it will. Have faith. I realize that we don’t have Patrick Roy and Dominik Hasek in net, but most teams don’t. Saddle up and support whoever it is that will be in net come April.
by Grampa on Mar 9, 2010 2:47 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I guess i am
in the minority group wiht my thinking but,i still dont get why people want Q to pull the trigger on a number 1 goalie right now….Imo its up to the goalies to win it…if Niemi shows he can be stable ,give it to him,if Huet shows he has the confidence,give it to him…there are 17 games left,imo that is enough time for them to figure it out….if 7 or 8 more games go by,and there is still no clear cut no.1 goalie,then i expect Q to pick the no.1,as i believe 7 straight games at the end of the season will be enough for a goalie to get used to playing consistently
I think what a lot of us are thinking
Is that we need to pick our no. 1 now, so that he can a lot of consistent playing time and get into a rhythm. With that rhythm, hopefully comes more and more confidence. Up until now, I think Q’s plan of switching back and forth was sound; with the idea that one of the other would grab the no. 1 spot. Obviously neither Huet or Niemi grabbed no. 1, so IMO I think its time to pick one (flip a coin, I don’t really care) and go with him, so he has that rhythm and confidence by the time the playoffs start.
I get what u
r saying….i figured that by now we would know who our goalie is….i figured one of the two would pick up their play and start running away with the no.1….imo i there is still enough time for one of the goalies to get in a groove and gain some confidence…when there are 8-9 games left in the season and their is no clear cut no.1 i want Q to flip a cion pull a name outta a hat have them two draw straws,whatever!!just to pick one and give him the 8-9 games to get into a rhythm
by csm on Mar 9, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
okay so we're pretty much in agreement
The only difference is how long we think it takes a goalie to find his groove. If it takes 9 games to find a rhythm, cool, then I’m all for tinkering around for a few more games. I just don’t know what the right number is; and I suppose it is different for each individual goalie.
Agree w/ CSM
Thing is, what a lot of people seem to give up on Niemi about is his lack of experience. That is EXACTLY why I think he needs to get a string of starts with a little slower hook. Huet has experience and unfortunately I think we’ve already seen his upside. I hope like hell he’s playing way below his capabilities and comes through if needed in playoff time, but I ain’t calling Vegas and betting on that happening. To paraphrase Dennis Green, he is what he has shown all season he is…occasional streaks of very good…mostly inconsistent…. and at times pretty damn bad. Why anyone would expect the unexpected from him to change all of a sudden into a consistently above average goalie I don’t know. Niemi has also had his good and bad moments, but he IS inexperienced. Give him the experience and chance to go more than a few games w/o a quick hook and see if he grows and rises to the challenge or not. I doubt giving Huet a 10 game string of starts has the same upside, given he’s already a veteran, that giving 10 to Niemi will do. And if Niemi falters…..yeah well give the nod to Huet last 7 games and playoffs and hope like hell the D turns the calendar back to January. With Huet’s experience, 7 games ought to be enough to get where he can get to. Not sure I’d say 7 at end of year is enough for Niemi. But if Niemi takes the reins during that 10 games and keeps playing well the rest of the season….. well maybe I WILL call Vegas and wager on the Hawks winning the cup this year.
Experience
I totally agree. Everyone keeps saying that Niemi doesn’t have the experience. How can you get the experience if you are not allowed to play?
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
This has been Q’s M.O. his entire coaching career. He is a goalie confidence killer…and I think that is why he usually has problems come playoff time. I guess I don’t like the “hot hand” approach…when neither hand is hot
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Yes but
Niemi is a rook, Huet is a vet. Huet can get into a rhythm at the very tail end of the regular season if Niemi completely bombs. For now, Q is and needs to be focused on finding out what exactly we have in Niemi. The more starts for Niemi, the better.
Imagine putting yourself in Huet’s shoes (I know it’s corny). He knows he has a well above average team, fighting for the cup this year, not next. He also knows he is the weak link in the chain. Anyone who could tell themselves otherwise should be in an asylum. I think Q wants Huet to realize he has to saddle up.
If Niemi flies then we ride him. If Niemi dives all we got is Huet. I think Q is trying to play into Huet’s psyche more than we give him credit for, like, now is your chance buddy, we got no one else riding the pine back here better than you.
Worst case scenario we ride Huet all the way into the playoffs and he has major meltdown after meltdown, we got this untested, inexperienced, nervous as hell novice.
What do you prefer?
BOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!
Disagree...
…there have been plenty of rookie goaltenders that have played well in the playoffs. Sometimes when you don’t know any better, it can be an advantage – don’t think, just react.
What we don’t know is Niemi’s ceiling, but we have a good indication what Huet’s is. The next thing you worry about is their floor, and I’d bet it’s not worse than Huet’s.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
73...
…was the year the Martin, Pappin and Hull line really kicked ass.
The Hawks regular season record dipped a bit from previous years, but they surprised folks by getting back to the finals, and taking a superior Canadien team to 6 games.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Pit Martin was my favorite player from then
I recall writing a fan letter to him (I was about 14), and he sent a very nice (and surprisingly long) letter in reply – with an autographed picture. He was a truely classy guy.
Without him, Pappin and Hull were frequently next to useless on the ice.
Dennis
was pretty much riding his big brother’s coat tails… Not entirely without talent, but you’re right, Martin definitely raised his level. I’ve mentioned it before, but #9 was my hero back then and for some reason I was also a big Bill White fan. I wore #2 throughout most of my playing days.
I used to occasionally skate with several Hawks during the summer (mid-70s)
Bill White was a very classy guy, and a good role model. He was very gracious with us young guys that shared the ice with them.
He was a very long time minor leaguer (played for the infamous Eddie Shore out east in Springfield) who became an NHL all-star.
Gunzo's
My friends and I used to hang out in Gunzo’s all the time to drool over the best equipment and in hopes of getting some autographs. We would periodically run into a Hawk player there and at one time I had several autographs including Bill White’s. I wonder what became of that stuff… I have my 1971 Blackhawks hockey cards framed, none autographed. Wow, I’m really sounding like a geezer now. LOL
from skating with them
my favorites were Jon Marks, Pit Martin, Bill White< Stan Mikita and Pat Stapleton. I didn’t particularly care for Eric Nesterenko (and he had been one of my favorites before that).
Marks used to sit on the bench between shifts and really get into teaching us – it was no surprise to me to see him have some good success later as a minor league coach.
Which rink was that?
My “home” rink was Ridgeland Commons in Oak Park. Back then it was not fully enclosed where the roof met the walls and we’d have the occasional blizzard blowing snow onto the ice. More than once I lost the puck in snow, almost like playing outside. In the spring we’d also have soft ice and of course there was no ice in the summer. We also skated a lot at Twin Ice (in Hinsdale maybe) which I think went out of business years ago.
Stapleton was (I don't think he still is) part of the Downers Gr. & Carol Stream ownership
Along with several Ontario rinks. I played Midget level travel hockey at Downers Grove.
When I played in high school...
…the Downers Grove rink was our practice facility for one year. If I’m not mistaken, the dimensions were exactly the same as the old Chicago Stadium – 188 X 85.
The next year we practiced at the Willow Ice Chalet which was previously owned by Dennis Hull and and I think Cliff Korrol.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
As I understood it - none of them "owned" much of those places
they got very minor minority shares, essentially in exchange for being on board to be the celebrity owner for publicity purposes.
Although thanks for the reminder – Cliff Korrol was/is a really fine gentleman too – nice, friendly, down to earth.
I'm sure your right...
…just like you see with celebrity restaurants. The actual celebrity puts up little dough (if anything) and they just use his name to brand the place.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Downers and Carol Stream were deliberately "no frills" places
but I do notice that they are still in business, while a lot of the fancy places went belly up and are now other things.
Carol Stream
We used to rent the ice there on Sunday mornings up until a few years ago. BAD ice… thin. You want to talk about no-frills? You ever play at the old Polar Dome in Dundee? The locker rooms were freezing and they used nails pounded in a plank on the wall for hooks.
I had Northbrook
then Glenview.
When my bro played at other rinks I couldn’t believe the differences.
Even Naperville’s rink sucked (in comparison) about 20 years ago when I took my son there for skating lessons.
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Yep - I played (or ref'd or coached) in all of them
It is a real wide range of nice to wretched as far as amenities and ice quality goes.
Are you still playing anywhere?
Occasional rat hockey in Crystal Lake
but blew out me knee at age 45 and haven’t played seriously in about 5 years now. I read in today’s Daily Herald that Burish contemplated playing rat hockey over the past couple of months because he’s been going nuts not playing. He held off though.
I've been wanting to get back into some rental group for a while
I did one at Centre Ice DuPage and Addison for aout 10 years, haven’t been at it for about 7 years now.
Somewhere in that area now would be great
I think Martin...
…was a very underated player for many years – great speed and he had good vision on the ice. Pappin was had incredibly good hands and was deadly around the net (he scored an incredible goal in the 71 finals by stick handling through several guys).
Dennis Hull needed to be set up so he could capitalize on his shot, and that is what he had with Mikita and than Martin after that. In the 80’s, Dennis Hull used to come in my families restaurant once a week for pizza like clock work. He was and is an incredibly funny guy.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I liked Dennis a lot - very personable and friendly
but he had a tendency to slide into uselessness way too often.
and when he wound up to shoot – not even the organist was safe, and no one in the building (even Dennis himself) had the slightest idea where it was going.
Q's mind games
don’t seem to be working. Huet played best when he was the guy earlier in the year. When he struggled, Q started using Niemi more. Huet sees less consistent playing time and the struggles don’t end. He looks like he did last year when he and Khabby alternated. He wasn’t comfortable then, but he was when Khabby was injured in Nov/Dec or whatever it was.
Disagree
Last year from what I remember Huet was very good alternating with Khabby. But when Khabby got injured and Huet HAD to carry the whole load, that’s when he fell apart after 6 or 7 games.
Mind games or not, I believe we have seen Huet’s ceiling….and so has the rest of the league. I believe that Bowman DID try and trade him (and not cause of that utterly ridiculous ego reason some have put forth). Frankly, I don’t think anyone wanted him.
What makes most sense?
Case 1
a) Q is not a good coach and can’t fairly evaluate goalie talent in front of him
b) The Hawk’s management team would prefer going with a rookie goalie in games and playoffs.
c) Huet has been really good….except when the D was bad or when he faced less than normal amounts of shots and let softies in as a result. But then so would every other goalie in that situation.
d) Many teams wanted to trade for Huet and offered great players in trade….but the Hawks management team thought he was too good to let go and didn’t want to ruin the team chemistry Huet’s presence provides….only to start Niemi now.
e) Most hockey media downgrade the Hawks on goal tending and therefore are not knowledgeable sources.
f) If Q and Bowman (young B and old B both) knew how to evaluate hockey talent, they would just put Huet in and be comfortable that after a few games w/o the pressure of the hook, he would be a very good goalie. But they are not competent enough to do that .
OR
Case 2
Huet is just not very good.
Maybe I’m a minority, but I would choose Case 2 as more probable myself and as a result give Niemi the chance to show he has what it takes. If he can’t….well…then I hope I am really really wrong about Huet.
In either case I hope along with most of us one or the other steps up and leads us through the finals.
I think you are generalizing
in both your cases. I don’t have time to look up the specifics of the winning streak the team went on last year while Khabby was out (I iwll later if I have time and still care), but I’m remembering it differently. The truth likely falls somewhere in the middle of what we’re both remembering.
Anyway, I still think Huet has played better when he’s getting consistent starts.
by Katherine215 on Mar 10, 2010 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
Let me know
Yes, please check. What I am going by memory from is that when they rotated there was no clear “best” goalie. Both played pretty well. Then when Khabby went down, Huet played pretty well for like 5 or 6 games. Then pfffftttttt. I believe Crawford even got a few games in as a result. But if you check, let me know.
Looking at the 9 game winning streak I was thinking of,
Huet won 5, Khabby 4 so that must not be the right time because Khabby wasn’t injured (neither played more than 2 consecutively during the streak).
Without knowing the dates Khabby was out (I can’t find where they’re spelled out), it’s hard to say when we were thinking of. Khabby was out for the first half of that hideous March, maybe that is when you’re thinking of. I must’ve been thinking of a stretch in Feb where Huet won 4 in a row.
I don’t know. At this point, I just want them to win and be done with this goalie crap.
by Katherine215 on Mar 10, 2010 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
actually, Khabibulin went down end of February
From Feb 13-27, Huet took rein, until he was pulled from the Feb 27 game against the Pens and we saw Antti Niemi for the first time. (This was the double hard hat trick night, thanks to Captain Serious.)
We went 4-3-1 in those 8 games, which included 2 back-to-backs. From Feb 14 on, though, we were also missing Patrick Sharp.
Anyway, Huet’s GAA was 2.25, SV% .910 during that time span, I believe. First 5 games, he had a 1.4 GAA and .944 SV%. Last 2.66 games (he was pulled after 2 periods) he had a 3.66 GAA and 0.853 SV%.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Mar 10, 2010 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks!
I should’ve just asked you in the first place. do you figure this stuff out yourself or do you find in on the Hawks’ or another site?
Also, didn’t Khabby go down twice? I thought there was a shorter time earlier in the year.
by Katherine215 on Mar 10, 2010 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
anytime :)
Huet’s 08-09 game log can be found here and I just compared the dates to the schedule last year to figure out where he played consecutive games. Then I clicked on the recaps for each game—they list the goaltenders for the teams.
I don’t remember that, if it happened.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Mar 10, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
After Feb 11th game he went down
I guess I still have a ways before serious memory loss strikes.
Huets games from Dec 7 to Feb 7 while he was alternating resulted in 25 GA in 14 games….1.785 GAA. Take away New Years Hangover game……19 goals in 13 games for a great 1.461 GAA. Very good goaltending, when alternating.
Then when he was THE man, his 1st 6 games he gave up 1,2,3,0 1,2 goals for a 1.5 average, so he was still very good.
However, when forced to continue the full workload, his next 8 games he gave up 5,4,2,4,2,4,4,4…29 goals in 8 games or 3.62. Didn’t do very well as THE guy then.
On the Goalie
what Sam said.
On the Hawks if you look at the Islanders game and the 2nd period against Detroit then the sky is falling. If you look at the Vancouver game and the 1st &3rd periods against Detroit then the Hawks are the best team in hockey. I wouldn’t put too much stock in either point of view.
hey
at least we can go 1-16-0 and still conceivably make the playoffs.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
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by chiblackhawks on Mar 9, 2010 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
then we're
SOL
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Mar 9, 2010 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
1 - 16? what are they, the '69 Cubs
and all this 1971 nostalgia is really running my heart through the meat grinder.
looking at that thing
why are the leafs so bad?
apparently
truculence doesn’t guarantee you wins in games.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Mar 9, 2010 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Enough with the "Veteran" hooey on Huey
So he’s a veteran player. Big damn deal. “You know what you’re getting with him” sez some. Yeah: a mediocre goalie who’s had several years to prove he’s something better, but hasn’t.
As to Niemi, right now, also a mediocre goalie. But maybe he CAN be something better. And that’s what we have to find out. NOW. Before the playoffs start.
If sitting destroys a player’s confidence, he shouldn’t be in a pro sweater.
teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wings fan at a time.
Hooey Huet, ohh baby, oh no, me gotta go
Aye-yi-yi-yi, I said
Hooey Huet, oh baby
Me gotta go
Fine (?) little goalie waits for me
Caght a ship across the sea
Sail that ship about, all alone
Never know if I make it home
CHORUS
Three nights and days I sail the sea
Think of goalie, constantly
On that ship, I dream he’s there
I smell the soft goals let in from there.
CHORUS
Okay, let’s give it to ’em, right now!
GUITAR SOLO
See France, the moon above
It won’t be long, me see he glove
Take it in my arms again
Tell him I’ll never play him again
CHORUS
Let’s take it on outa here now
Let’s go!!
by krome on Mar 9, 2010 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
another song crippled by Krome
nicely done !!!!!
rec-ed
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
by ccm on Mar 9, 2010 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
that was my first song parody here
and dashed off very quickly.
Someone else gets the blame/credit for the others that have gone up here.
by krome on Mar 9, 2010 5:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Quenneville assessed his goaltending this season...(today)
"Goaltending had, I’m going to say, an ordinary start," Quenneville said. "I thought it had a really strong, strong segment there. I think recently it was not as strong as it was. I think that would be a pretty fair assessment of our goaltending."
…everytime i read this, it comes out sounding like Mayor Quimby…or Dan Quayle.
It says something when your city
doesn’t even have a close 2nd in TIFs outside of Califronia – and they’ve done well, eh?
I'm not anti-social; I'm just not user friendly
remember too - Illinois has more units of local government than any other state
California has slightly more than half our number (with four times our population), and no one else is even close to half our number.
Translation:
Goaltending was mediocre, than it was good and now it sucks.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I think Coach Q
started the competition for playoff goalie when he gave Niemi the back to back starts against Calgary and Vancouver during the long road trip in January. Once they returned home after this trip, he has changed the goalies after a loss. (With the exception of the 2-1 SO loss to Phoenix) I am fine with that. However, what I find alarming about the other 3 losses during this time is that the Hawks have been outscored 12-0 in the second period. (St. Louis 3-0 / Islanders 4-0 / Scum 5-0) I don’t see how this problem can be blamed directly on the goalies.
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The team D...
…has been poor at times, which could account for the 2nd period doldrums.
With Huet though, I really don’t like the way he has trouble fighting off screens and takes some real poor angles at times. As a veteran, you wouldn’t think this would be an issue.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
We need Sopel back
….his catfish demeanor on the ice pulls the team together…he is the missing link
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
Genetically speaking
He may be the missing link as well.
by NKLHD on Mar 9, 2010 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe that’s why he hasn’t been playing. He’s on exhibit in a museum in Belgium.
by DemonHawk on Mar 9, 2010 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh yah
He’s also second from the left on the National Geo cover of modern man
"Call Detroit, tell dem... BULLSHIT!"
I heard that too
There was a shooter involved who was behaving quite forward. Upon seeing that, Sopel got defensive.
Did I just write that? Blahhh
I'm not anti-social; I'm just not user friendly
Post
For the Sopel avatar
...Feeding Rene Bourque his own dick since 11/19/09
by Hjammer of the Gods on Mar 9, 2010 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
bring up
Corey Crawford, haha.
When in Rome we shall do as the Romans, when in Hell we do shots at the bar.
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Mar 9, 2010 5:42 PM CST reply actions
some dumbass
actually said this to me at the game on Sunday when I was defending Huet. I couldn’t believe it. I stopped talking and moved away to not get infected with stupid.
He's the one they call Dr. Karpotsev...
another dumbass
I heard some guy comparing “trading” Khabibulin go to the Mark DeRosa trade…yes, he said “trade”. I was going to go knock some semblance of sense into him, but, like you, i was afraid of catching the stupid virus that is spreading amongst the corridors of the UC
Not to mention the fact that Khabibulin is out for the season
with a back injury but why let facts get in the way of a good rant?
Khabby
Was god awful. I don’t understand how fans love him now. He was painful to watch, he played as if he was half in the bag with his reaction on blasts from the point when he first started with the Hawks.
Personally, I don’t like how they are handling the goalie situation, stick to one or the other. No one is going to workout there issues when they are getting jacked around by their coach. But then again I am not the almighty Q
When in Rome we shall do as the Romans, when in Hell we do shots at the bar.
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Mar 12, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
he looked good in the last year of his contract
but overall, over the term of the contract, it wasn’t a good signing.
Really?
He looked like shit for the most part in the playoffs.
When in Rome we shall do as the Romans, when in Hell we do shots at the bar.
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Mar 12, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
I think Q knows what he's doing
Earlier I was thinking about how this must be screwing with both goalies, not getting consistent playing time and taking every other game off. Then I realized we were in a very similar situation last year and by the end of the season, Q knew who he was going to take into the playoffs and I thought he made the right choice.
It may be tough to swallow now (that’s what she said) but I think everything will work itself out come playoffs. There’s no way a team this young and hungry will just try to coast once the real season starts.
How about?
I just want who gives us the best chance to win…. to start…
This shit is making my sack hurt.
How about
I want it to be April 12th and all of this shit will be decided and the playoffs will be starting and then I will have something real to worry about rather than all of this goalie nonsense.
by Katherine215 on Mar 9, 2010 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
how about...
we just use the big cardboard thing from the Shoot the Puck contests as our goalies. And get Kustok to distract the other team’s shooters with stupid questions.
So, I went to the Habs game tonight
And Matt FUCKING Walker scores his first goal of the season
Why... Why are you never funny?
.....was a big fan of Matt "fucking" Walker.....
a role player who wasn’t a hack
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
a year ago everyone said the hawks were too inexperienced to win a series
and we all know how that worked out. I don’t care that neither goalie has playoff experience…I think regardless who wins the role, they will up their game (not that that is hard to do from where they are at right now)
And for all the goalie debate, what happens if there is an injury (or someone gets whacked)? the other guy will have to take over. Even though Huet didn’t start the postseason last year, I think he played respectably after Khabi was injured, and I have no doubt that either guy could keep us in a 7 game series.
Cause I have a brain like Huet's glove
(just kidding, not about the brain part though) – which goalie has played better against the teams we’re likely to see in the playoffs?
In my gut, I think it’s Huet, with a little dose of Niemi here and there if needed.
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I think...
we might get a mixture of both! I know Niemi is 25 but if he can get back or Huet can get that confidence back we are in for a surprise. It worries me with the fans in the playoffs. Can they stick behind Huet if he allows 1 or 2 goals in the playoffs? Can either of our goalies make a mistake without 22 thousand fans yelling at them! I think come that time if we can get out of that first round then anything can happen. With expectations so high I hope we can live up. I know this is still a young team that can flip the “switch” on at any moment, they just have to want it!
Huet we know what he brings and we have seen this confidence in him. Niemi we have seen but truly we don’t know what we have. I think you have 2 average goalies which is fine but who can take that #1 spot will be determined soon. I’m all for supporting either goalie b/c it’s all about that ONE GOAL !
Plus if we don’t straighten up soon I think my heart can last more than another 5 weeks…or longer when playoffs come around
Hockey is life! Lets go Hawks!
Is this totally Q's call?
I’m wondering how much of the goalie decision is coming from Q. My guess is that this and all healthy scratches are a brain trust decision of Q and Big & Little Bowman. Heck, McD might even be in on it.
And this may also be in part to wake up the team defense and get them playing well again. Put the rookie in goal and everyone has to raise their game a bit more.
Put the rookie in goal and everyone has to raise their game a bit more.
You know, I thought that was the case earlier in the season and part of the reason why Niemi started out so well. I think now the team has pretty much said fuck it, we’re playing the same no matter who’s in goal now, which might be part of the reason why Niemi’s play has started to level out
by Katherine215 on Mar 10, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
I'm sure there is/was pressure from above to play Huet
There is always pressure to play highly paid players in any sport no matter how bad they’re sucking (ex see: Chicago Cubs – Bradley, Milton; Soriano, Alfonso)
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 10, 2010 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
dear god, it's happened
Even Rick Morrissey has started to try and be the voice of reason.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
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the headline writer totally fucked up the line
it’s “tenterhooks” not “tenderhooks”.
It is bad when the editorial staff at the newspaper are illiterate.
one time, the phrase on tenterhooks would have evoked an image that was immediately understandable.
It comes from one of the processes of making woollen cloth. After it had been woven, the cloth still contained oil from the fleece, mixed with dirt. It was cleaned in a fulling mill, but then it had to be dried carefully or it would shrink and crease. So the lengths of wet cloth were stretched on wooden frames, and left out in the open for some time. This allowed them to dry and straightened their weave. These frames were the tenters, and the tenter hooks were the metal hooks used to fix the cloth to the frame. At one time, it would have been common in manufacturing areas to see fields full of these frames (older English maps sometimes marked an area as a tenter-field). So it was not a huge leap of the imagination to think of somebody on tenterhooks as being in an state of anxious suspense, stretched like the cloth on the tenter. The tenters have gone, but the meaning has survived.
Tenter comes from the Latin tendere, to stretch, via a French intermediate. The word has been in the language since the fourteenth century, and on tenters soon after became a phrase meaning painful anxiety. The exact phrase on tenterhooks seems first to have been used by Tobias Smollett in Roderick Random in 1748.
I think they were trying to be funny
goal"tender"-hooks
It took me a minute too, which does not bode well for the ignorant masses reading the article.
by Katherine215 on Mar 10, 2010 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
did you just
tell us how old you were? ;)
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
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by chiblackhawks on Mar 10, 2010 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
having mentioned a few times
that I was 13 when the Hawks droped the Cup to Montreal in 1971, I think I’ve rather let that cat out of the bag (at least for the non-math challenged here).
No he told us he knows how to use google and cut/paste
on tenterhooks origin
Plagiarist! (unless of course your name is Michael Quinion and you live in England, then my apologies ;)
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 10, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
sorry - I didn't link (or provide citations/footnotes)
I don’t remember all that shit well enough to spout it at length (I have trouble remembering precisely what I had for breakfast).
Do you want citations in Harvard Blue Book style from here on?
To avoid litigation
of course
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 10, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Fuck
Im still balls drunk
Are we still having a goaltender debate?
My theory, pick one and go with it…until they fuck up, then switch….wait, we already do that
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any way you cut it
thats still a fucking loofa
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by BigCSouthside on Mar 10, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
I was hoping we would get a 400lb sumo wrestler
pad him up, and throw him in goal
So I guess what Im saying is id like them to sign Marty Brodeur
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by BigCSouthside on Mar 10, 2010 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
you guys are onto something
Find a human so big and tall that all he has to do is plop down in the butterfly and block all openings to the net.
Lets go to the bandwagon
and recruit Vince Vaughan
Seriously this is a genius idea
Someone get Scotty on the horn
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by BigCSouthside on Mar 10, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe this guy?

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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 10, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Fucking brilliant
rec’d
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by BigCSouthside on Mar 10, 2010 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
perfect
Yep, I think he would work just fine. Put pads on him and I’m pretty sure the net will be completely sealed off.
That's what the snacks are for
to seal off the cracks (bad pun intends, unfortunately)
He doesn’t have enough padding as it is?
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 10, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
I can hear Foley
FAT SAAAAAAAVE!
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by BigCSouthside on Mar 10, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
That looks like
Jay Zawaski!
Cheers! From your friendly hockey board troll.
by Goon-Squad on Mar 10, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
I know people can say pretty much whatever they want
and I’m fine with that. If I don’t like something here, I usually try to skip past it.
But that comment is rude, whether it’s meant as a joke or not. There’s no reason to make insulting personal comments about a new poster.
by Katherine215 on Mar 10, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Just read Goon-Squad's profile
(well the first three lines until you get bored) and you’ll have an idea of what mind this is coming from.
Pay no head Jay Z, I don’t think that looks like you. Now, if I would have posted a photo of a teddy bear hamster…
All joking aside, I did two google searches this morning (before Jay Z joined) on different topics and both searches pointed me to Jay Z’s Red Light District, so I thought that was pretty cool seeing his FanPost today. As someone in the media industry, I’m sure he has thick skin. I guess it must be a Cubs/Sox type of thing. Some people like ESPN 1000, some like The Score 670. I get better reception and prefer the more local broadcast on 670 myself.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 10, 2010 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
It's not so much who the comment's made about specifically
more that it’s slimey and stupid and shit like that doesn’t belong here imo.
I did read his profile and could tell the kind of person who was writing it, but I think silence on something can be interpreted as condoning it and I don’t. So I spoke up. Now I’m shutting up about it as my point has been made.
by Katherine215 on Mar 10, 2010 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
unprovoked personal attacks are low, and constitute classless douchebaggery
although I view prolonged idiocy (a la McGuire) to constitute provocation enough to justify cheap shots.
McGuire is different
he really is a douche.
Seriously, though, he’s not an actual person visiting this site. I doubt most of the personal Pierre comments that are made would actually be made if he were here and interacting with us as a person rather than a talking head on tv.
by Katherine215 on Mar 10, 2010 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Point taken -
I don’t know specifically (I try to just skip/ignore things from folks that peeve me), but we’ve had a few people here who might well provoke me to nastiness if I had to endure them for very long.
And if McGuire were playing here, he might inspire the same level of vitriol from us (me at least).
I truly can't stand his commentary
but as was pointed out to me before, he does know a lot about hockey.
I may not like everything he says or how he ass-kisses every name in the league, but we’ve no way of knowing he’d be that obnoxious if he were a regular guy posting here.
Obnoxious people can be shot down without personal attacks.
by Katherine215 on Mar 10, 2010 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
really obnoxious peopl over time, make me want toe
engage in personal attacks.
and if we all had absolutely nothing else to do, and his access to all the insiders, we’d be able to “know” as much and more – and likely understand it all better. I thought him a rather poor team exec – sort of good at learning on paper but poor real world application.
by krome on Mar 10, 2010 6:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Huh?
Jay is a new poster on here?
I was unaware of this.
So, what exactly is rude, the pic, or my comment???
Cheers! From your friendly hockey board troll.
by Goon-Squad on Mar 13, 2010 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
can Jabba be more consistent then Huet or Niemi
and can we fit him under the cap
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by BigCSouthside on Mar 10, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
Yes hold on for the updated photo
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 10, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Now he fits inder the cap

I knew I was forgetting something
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 10, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
Nope...
…it still looks like Jay, only now he’s holding a sign.
Cheers! From your friendly hockey board troll.
by Goon-Squad on Mar 13, 2010 8:54 AM CST up reply actions
The sign is just there
in order to edit you out of the pic
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 13, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
Regarding consistency
He better be because Q can’t pull him mid period, only between periods.
They need the Zamboni to drag him out on the ice.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 10, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
For anyone saying stuff about Crawford:
I went to the Icehogs game here in San Antonio on Sunday. Crawford looked horrendous, and let in 4 or 5 goals before the 2nd was over. (forget when he got pulled)
Game was almost the same as the Hawks game too. Icehogs scored 2 quick in the first, Rampage scored 5 unanswered to make it 5-2 after two. Third period though, Rampage added 2 more for a 7-2 final.
Sunday was a bad day for Chicago hockey…
VERSTEEG!
Chris Chelios Called up by Atlanta Thrashers
HAHAHAHA
48 years old
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=4982207
September 26, 2007 The day a Franchise was reborn.
24 Not 7
He is going to wear 24 with Atlanta. Looks like 7 was just a Chicago thing for Cheli.
"Whats your location Chief?"
"Well, Im on a road. Appears to be asphalt. I am directly under the Earth's sun......now."
didn't he wear 24 in Montreal?
I don’t recall for sure, but I’m thinking it was in the 20s somewhere
He wore 24 in Montreal
He wore #7 here because Doug Wilson was still on the team.
Competitive violence, that's why you're here!
He's another good example of long term persitence and desire
winning out over early indications of raw talent
Hawks Goalie Debacle
Sunday’s Hawks/Wings play by play announcer said it best. Huet is playing way to tentative. If I may add, not only is he playing tentative but is often unprepared. Latest example is the Friday nite Kessler goal. Huet was daydreaming for a moment and was moving into position as the shot was on its way. The shot surprised me too as Kessler had the D right in his face but I dont get paid $5.6M per year to be prepared. Bottom line is Huet gives up too many SOFT goals. That is his downfall.
The truth is, Niemi is fundamentally sound between the pipes. He is by far the best choice today and in the playoffs. His potential is high. His lack of experience is a weakness that we cannot correct. The next best thing however, would be to play him as much as possible til the regular season concludes. Then we need to play him in the playoffs also.
Huet will never amount to anything more than a backup.
Huh??
I don’t even know where to start… I can’t argue with “the truth”
Uncle
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 10, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
I tend to agree...
…Huet clearly has stretches were his concentration is lacking. You see it in goals like Kessler scored and also in the poor angles he takes on shots.
I’m not so sure this simply won’t be a drill on figuring out the risks of playing each guy and making a call. Chances are Niemi has a higher ceiling than Huet and probably is no worse on the downside.
I’m betting it will be Niemi’s net come playoff time.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I guess when someone states
“The truth is Niemi is fundamentally sound” I know at that point nothing I say to try and educate them will change their opinion. It’s basically thinly veiled Huet hate. The book on Niemi is that he is an athletic goalie, definitely not fundamentally sound. Maybe it is partly due to youth, but he gets caught out of position quite often and his athleticism gets him out of trouble most of the time. Quite the opposite of what was stated.
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 10, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
Absolutely OT
Not like I’m needed here (or wanted for that matter), but for anyone who worries or whatever since I do post a lot: I am having some vision troubles, which aren’t related to my glasses, and may not post for a while, since I can hardly read anything right now anyway.
I’ll be fine, just need to take eye drops for a week.
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I thought you were pretty high on the popularity scale here
I’d certainly miss you if you took a break.
I hope the eye problem is very minor and resolves quickly and painlessly on its own.
Awww thanks
I thought people were just afraid of me. ;)
Should be no big deal (corneal cyst), eye drops for a week and hopefully as soon as I can see clearly again and without the light bothering me so much, I’ll be back to my usual post-whorish nature.
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I don't lump on you because you don't provoke me
and I usually don’t really disagree with you to any significant degree
yikes, hope you come back soon
who knows what CNS and meeshak will be up to next, if you’re not around to give them a mommy paddlin’?
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
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by chiblackhawks on Mar 10, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
ahh yes, the difference between the Marines and teh Boy Scouts ...
is that the Boy Scouts have adult supervision
Bwwaahhaaahhaaa!
I was already plotting my next sinister act, but I couldn’t figure out how to sneak out of the house undetected. Mom’s on vacation, problem solved! I just hope she doesn’t notice if I crack her crystal egg… ;)
Hurry back Trix before anarchy runs rampant!
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 10, 2010 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
Don't break any vases
Cause you know Katherine will tell on you.
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ME?!
I’m no tattle tale! They admitted it themselves, mom. I’m the good kid.
by Katherine215 on Mar 10, 2010 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
I was gonna ask what do Boy Scout leaders have?
but the answer “Prison time” quickly came to mind.
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 10, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
Talk about
cheap, offensive personal attacks!
I see that you and Kath are up each others asses around here.
Must be nice…
Cheers! From your friendly hockey board troll.
by Goon-Squad on Mar 13, 2010 8:57 AM CST up reply actions
I can see that I missed something in this thread. Evidently Goon-Squad got pissed off by Katherine215 calling him out?
Why... Why are you never funny?
I was?
I commented that the pic of the fat ass looked like Jay Zawaski, yet it was deemed to be offensive.
(The pic itself and the comment about Boy Scout leaders are not, however.
Cheers! From your friendly hockey board troll.
by Goon-Squad on Mar 13, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
Well, I had a Boy Scout leader
who sexually abused a couple of my friends. I thought CNS was just stating an insult based in fact.
Does the pic look like Jay Zawaski? I’ve never seen him. I thought it looked more like Jim DeRogatis, assuming Jim doesn’t post on here.
Why... Why are you never funny?
Apparently
Jay is a member on here…
…somewhere.
He’s another blow hard self proclaimed die hard Hawks fan that does nothing to promote how good the Hawks are doing, but rather picks ’em apart and dogs ’em out every chance he gets.
I believe he may actually be a cry baby Pens fan, judging the by the crap spewing outta his ass mouth.
Cheers! From your friendly hockey board troll.
by Goon-Squad on Mar 13, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
And you just happened to pull his name out of a hat
on a photo that looks nothing like him. OK, assbag.
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 13, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Oh I forgot
Per your profile rant, you “can tread water for three days in a row.”
I think we’d all like to take you up on this…
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 13, 2010 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
Not needed or wanted?
You’re one of the keys to this site! I thought you stopped posting because Krome was hitting on you.
I sure get (falsely) accused of hitting on a lot of people here
is it the lawyer thing, we’re just assumed to be out to screw everyone?
by krome on Mar 10, 2010 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It is an unsavory crowd (several unsavory crowds, I suppose, for that matter).
but I’m really just a generally friendly guy (when I’m not in curmudgeon mode, or on the clock at work).
I was wondering where you've been lately
Granted, i haven’t been here all that long but it seemed like you’d been absent lately.
Hope you are feeling better quickly! You can still see color, right? So you’ll know when CNS and meeshak get rambunctious again and can have someone lay down the law for you. :)
by Katherine215 on Mar 10, 2010 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
LOL
Yeah, actually I couldn’t figure out why that thread hurt my eyes so bad, which made me really realize something besides just getting old was wrong, haha. Honestly, it’s not serious and I will be fine soon.
Thank you everyone for your concern and caring! You’re all doucheflowers in my book.
So I have been doing less reading/posting as it has been bothering my eyes. I don’t know how fast the eye drops will work, and it’s not like I have to be completely gone, it’s just getting worse and I won’t be able to keep up with GDTs. As you can see, I’m already having a hard time with withdrawal symptoms from the blog here….
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Fundamentals
I tend to agree Niemi’s strength right now are his reflexes and leg speed. He could improve some of his fundamentals for sure…..but that’s where I hope he can have 10-12 more games of experience before the playoffs. If he gets a little better at some angles and positioning, with his athleticism, he might wind up being very good. I AM starting to wonder about that shot just above his gloved hand though…..
Huet seems to falter on fundamentals. Start of the year he was a swimmer, diving down on the ice as soon as it looked like someone might possibly think of shooting (remember the goal scored while he was swimming in the face off circle?). He also seemed to be averse to standing next to the goal post and let quite a few in between the post and him (hard to forget that one bouncing off the glass/boards and hopping in). Then he seemed to “get it” finally and I thought Waite really did a great coaching job. I think his best games were when he didn’t flop immediately and played his position well. But lately he seems to have regressed to the flop and goal post aversion style again. When he does THAT, I’m not sure his fundamentals are better than Niemi’s.
So what you're still basically saying
is that Niemi is the better shootout goalie and Huet sucks, right? (oh you thought I forgot about you!)
On a serious note, I’m assuming this was possibly a reply fail to my post above? If so, my point was solely about Niemi’s fundamentals, not as compared to Huet. I do disagree though that Huet’s fundamentals- even when at his best – are worse than Niemi’s. That statement makes my head asplode. But ultimately it’s our own opinions.
It just seems you want to reduced Huet to an orange traffic cone to support your argument. He’s a swimmer, he’s a flopper, he has post aversion, he’s fundamentally unsound and use two very bad examples to support this. Yes, he’s having a bad season in terms of SV% and he does look very bad at times, but throughout his career he has been what I will call a slightly above average goalie and there is a reason for that – he has above orange-cone-level skills.
So the alternative is Niemi. He’s been playing hockey since his childhood. I know he played in the juniors from 2000-05 and in the pros in Finland for 3 yrs before coming to the Hawks almost 2 yrs ago. After at least 10 yrs of organized hockey at the goalie position, I just don’t see, after all that time, how 10-12 games is suddenly going to convert him into a superstud. Hopefully someone will emerge though.
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 10, 2010 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
basically saying....
Yeah I think Niemi is the better shootout goalie and Huet sucks?…depends what context. As an NHL backup up goalie I think he’s pretty good. As a starter……..well if we put all the starting NHL goalies names in a hat and started over by drawing names out of the hat, yeah I’d be very very happy to put Huet in the hat and I’d be damn disappointed if I drew his name out for my team. Hard to think of 5 starting goalies I’d walk away from in a straight up trade for Huet. Does that mean he sucks? Don’t care. Let’s just say I don’t think he is or will ever be in the top 50%; i.e. above average. Doubt he makes top 25, but that’s opinion
Why bad examples? Both examples are when he was out of position and let goals in. And yeah, he drops to his knees faster than a French hooker in a Paris alleyway when he’s not on.
Niemi…played pretty darn good tonight (just came home from the LA game). That’s one out of hopefully 10. Yeah he played juniors and Finland. Is your point that experience in juniors and Finland match the learning that happens in NHL games? Talk about head asploding statements. Take that argument and put it on Huet. He’s PLAYED in the NHL and what has he learned? Is 10 games going to make HIM better? I say 10 games will do a lot more to improve Niemi than it will do to improve Huet. I’ve seen Huet’s ceiling. You think you’ve seen Niemi’s? I hope I haven’t. And if Niemi DOESN’T come thru, then yeah…put in Huet, cross your fingers and hope he rises to the occasion. But when and if that happens, IMO we got ourselves 2 very mediocre goalies. Can we win with them? Boy I sure hope so!
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Okay... let's get this thing going
Extremely happy to have Burish back. If last year’s second round is any indication, he can elevate the energy of this team in obvious as well as mysterious ways. Also, hoping someone other than a goalie has a horrendous night (and we still win) because all this focusing on one position is like terrible sex. Gonna pour a game time rum now.
"Call Detroit, tell dem... BULLSHIT!"
Ride one guy the rest of the year?
This was never the plan, due to the compressed schedule, and Q has said both guys will get plenty of work down the stretch.

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