Take Me To The Other Side....
The boys at On The Forecheck asked me some questions to put on their site, and I'll return the favor by posting Dirk's answers to the Q&A that will appear in tomorrow's Indian.
We've raised the ire of some Preds fans on the blog by calling them a trapping team, but they're certainly not a run-n'-gun outfit either. How will Nashville play this series (please say they'll try and score with us please say they'll try and score with us....)?
I would expect the typical Nashville offensive attack (work the boards and keep the puck on the perimeter, set up a shot from the point and work like hell for rebounds), while defensively, the focus will be on David Legwand's line, which has taken on the heavy hitters all season. Clogging up the neutral zone will certainly be important, but even more so is to attack the Hawks in their own end before they get rolling - particularly until Campbell returns, they need to put pressure on the guys being asked to run the breakout in his place.
Who should Hawks fans keep an eye out for this series?
Patric Hornqvist is like a Tomas Holmstrom who can actually skate. He'll park himself right on top of the Blackhawks' goal crease, and work tirelessly for tips and rebounds. He also has good patience, and doesn't retaliate when opposing defensemen try to rough him up. I'm also looking for big things from Jason Arnott - he's got a significant size advantage over Chicago's centers and D (except for Buff, of course) and he surely senses that he doesn't have too many playoff chances left at age 35. The wild card is going to be rookie Colin Wilson. He has the physical tools to make a big impact on this series, but this is his first playoff experience so you can't be sure what you'll get.
Who do Predators fans fear the most this series?
I'd probably say Jonathan Toews - one of those "Goals of the Year" came when he put an absolutely sick move on Dan Hamhuis earlier this season, and that kind of game-breaking talent is capable of busting through even a solid team effort.
Your special teams are ordinary, is there a particular reason for that?
The power play has stunk for years, so that's no surprise. The consensus opinion there is that the Preds take a pretty obvious plan of attack, setting up Shea Weber for a one-timer. When that gets taken away, the rest of the group doesn't get creative enough to exploit something different. It is unusual to see the Nashville PK doing so poorly this season. That's usually a Top 10 unit under Barry Trotz. There's been some major turnover in the personnel there (gone are Vern Fiddler, Scott Nichol, and Radek Bonk) and the new unit just hasn't gelled.
You're top pairing of Weber-Suter is the envy of most of the league. Is Trotz going to sick them after Toews and Hossa or Patrick Kane?
Weber & Suter usually match up against the top opposing line, but on the road of course you can't always set that up. Dan Hamhuis (and whoever his partner turns out to be, we hope it's not Kevin Klein) also takes on lots of elite forwards, so expect to see him as well.
Time to make yourselves some enemies here in Chicago. Prediction for the series?
The Preds are an outstanding road team (4th best road record in the NHL), and I like their chances to steal a game this weekend. Combine that with an edge in goal, and an advantage in blueline depth (Denis Grebeshkov was an important pickup), and I like Nashville in 6.
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not to be a dick...
but I scoped out OtF just now. In the small sample size of posts, comments and such that I viewed, I got the impression:
1) theres some kool-aid in nashville. Not only do the overwhelming majority of fans seem cult-level optimistic-due to their team’s increased level of play throughout the season, but they’re oftentimes not even considering how fucking awesome the hawks are.
2) the fans really haven’t have time (read: hockey years) to get bitter, self-loathing or jaded. The sarcastic wit seems to be missing too.
I like the post above as it looks at it with some different colored glasses. I, personally, don’t see the hawks sweepin’ em, nor do I think nashville can pull out a series victory. Where that puts me, I’m not so sure. Um. Yeah.
Holy chocolate covered mammary glands, Batman!
Um, that's not chocolate, Boy Wonder
Again, I have little faith in broad-based hockey knowledge among fan bases south of the Mason-Dixon line.
by Ghost Soldier on Apr 15, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I think that's a pretty unfair statement
Particularly since teams from Anaheim, Carolina, Dallas, Tampa Bay, and Florida have all at least been to a cup final, and all but one have won it since the last time any of five of the Original Six other than Scum have even been in a final. You’re telling me absolutely every Leafs fan knows his X’s and O’s perfectly? Please.
Watch the video from Modano’s last home game last week and tell me that Sun Belt NHL fans don’t know their shit.
It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.
by McClure on Apr 15, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or...
just watch <a href="https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D4yLEbSfCxjk%26feature%3Drelated&h=fa0915b55f9f5067512ef4152b174f91" >this if you think Preds fans aren’t passionate
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by Aditya T (smashville) on Apr 15, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
woah
something’s wrong with that link
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by Aditya T (smashville) on Apr 15, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
it's nice to see we aren't the only ones that link fail
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- Rodney Dangerfield
having your team make a Cup run does not squarely translate out to having a knowledgeable fan base
people will, of course, gain SOME degree of knowledge with time/experience watching – but there are a lot of long time spectators in the “shoot!” and “why did the whistle blow” contingents too.
Confusion will be my epitaph.
we need to add an new breed of mouthbreathers
I get yelling things while at the game. I even like to pretend that a specific player can pick out what I’m yelling form the 22,000 other people. It’s complete lunacy, but at least I’m in the same building.
Hearing a table (yes a whole table. 5 guys) yelling “SHOOOT!!” at a bar last Sunday…. now that’s just dumb.
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by Johnny Lava on Apr 15, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
one of the things my dad taught me for coaching
was to limit your yelling from the bench to a repetoire of no more than 7 simple commands (preferably 1 word ones) – all other player interaction is 1 to 1 on the bench after the shift.
Rather like obedience training for dogs
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yeah but goeographic residence doesn't necessarily translate to sports IQ, though it helps
but i know plenty of stupid people and ignorant “sports fans” in the north. (anyone ever listened to majority fans at Wrigley talking?).
by puppetmasterp on Apr 15, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm fairly certain...
From what I can tell, every team has a “SHOOT” contingent.
Worse than that, however are the “I have to miss overtime/shootout/the last 10 minutes/the 3rd period so I can beat traffic” fans…almost as bad as “I missed the first two periods because we were out getting wasted…THESE GUYS ARE PLAYING LIKE CRAP” fans.
My personal favorite, however, are the ones that bitch and moan during the preseason.
interesting
the arriving late and “leaving early to beat traffic” fans are, for whatever reason, never discussed here…but I agree they some of the worst.
allow me to rephrase then...
some people really, really hate the shootout. I just strongly dislike it.
i get that
but do you seriously leave before it starts?
by Katherine215 on Apr 15, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
usually i don't watch the shootout
if i’m at a game alone, especially if it’s not a hawks game, then yes. i left early in ottawa, too, when it became clear the hawks weren’t going to win and i had a 2 hour drive through snow to get back home. i don’t understand leaving with 10 minutes left in the third, but if your team is down and out of it with a minute left, or there’s a shootout (which I don’t enjoy watching), yeah, i don’t see anything wrong with leaving.
and i don’t really see that this makes me any less of a true fan for it.
(170 g) * (3x10^8 m/s)^2 = 1.5x10^16 J
ok, you don't have to be so defensive about it
I wasn’t sure you if you were being serious or not. I don’t understand it, but it’s your business.
by Katherine215 on Apr 15, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, i was being serious
i just don’t find shootouts fun. there’s a lot of tension, but then it’s just a guy skating into a goalie. it’s cool, like, twice. i don’t watch it on the tv, either. i always let you guys tell me what happened in shootouts during the season.
(170 g) * (3x10^8 m/s)^2 = 1.5x10^16 J
I don’t even know where to start.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 15, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, we're much more optimistic this year than every other year we've made the playoffs
But you tell us they we’re drinking some kool-aid, and then you give this comment?
they’re oftentimes not even considering how fucking awesome the hawks are.
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by Aditya T (smashville) on Apr 15, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
you guys have every reason to be optimistic
you have somehow found a way to win enough games to break into triple digits. Do I think you have a hard road ahead of you going through the Hawks? Yes you do. Can you pull off an upset? Sure that’s not out of the question, but of course we will not make it easy for you and I’m sure the Preds aren’t taking the power the Hawks have lightly. We weren’t supposed to make it too far in the playoffs last year and we made it through two rounds. Anything can happen.
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..."and I’m sure the Preds aren’t taking the power the Hawks have lightly."
I’m not so sure and here’s why:
You’re top pairing of Weber-Suter is the envy of most of the league. Is Trotz going to sick them after Toews and Hossa or Patrick Kane?
Weber & Suter usually match up against the top opposing line, but on the road of course you can’t always set that up. Dan Hamhuis (and whoever his partner turns out to be, we hope it’s not Kevin Klein) also takes on lots of elite forwards, so expect to see him as well.
I do not think the Preds have any idea the firepower the Hawks possess. Our first two lines are as good as any other teams top line and the scary thing… the 3rd line is extremely talented and the 4th line can score on anyone.
But all the OMG we’re- so- deep- and awesomely awesome bloviating aside, I simply cannot wait to see the Hammer of the God’s in the playoffs. Since Q put that line together, not one single team has had an answer for it. They simply dominate. Then you get to deal with Kane…
I’m doing it again, aren’t I?
yeah.
good word, btw
Holy chocolate covered mammary glands, Batman!
Um, that's not chocolate, Boy Wonder
by JohnnyBourbon on Apr 15, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Our first two lines are as good as any other teams top line
Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Ovechkin-Backstrom-Knuble
Laich-whoever-Semin
Ryan-Getzlaf-Perry
Smyth-Kopitar-Brown
Franzen-Datsyuk-Holmstrom
I can go on.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 15, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking of AO/Backstrom/Knuble and Marleau/Thornton/Heatley in the regular season. A couple of yours can contend as well.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 15, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
HTM was the first to pop in my head, Followed by Ovie-Semin-Backs
The unfortunate thing for the Hawks has been the “Pull the names out of a hat” philosophy on lines for a good month. But on the flip side, the top 6 have worked with each other quiet a bit, and that may be useful if the time comes.
The Hawks can run an elite line, but I think it is better to spread that talent like they do. They have the talent to do it, and it helps get favorable mismatches.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 15, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
and I'm sure you will
the second line being as good as any other team’s top line was, I’d have to say, a stretch.
But it would not be unreasonable to say that the top 2 lines are as good or better than any other team’s top 2 (the Wash combos you note would be there up there too). It isn’t like so many teams where covering the #1 line leaves one safe.
Confusion will be my epitaph.
100% agreed there. I was contesting his point that your 2nd line is as good as any team’s top line. That was bullshit.
But yeah, as far as top 2 lines go its WSH, CHI, VAN, some days Detroit.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 15, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I like you - you do contribute to keeping things fun here
once you get used to the Wild West atmosphere here, you may well enjoy this place
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It takes me a while ;). Depends on the day, too.
Don’t overestimate how high strung I am right now since learning who we’d play on Sunday and actually playing on Friday. Awful.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 15, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
this place is rather high strung too
which generates even more volitile commentary than our norm
Confusion will be my epitaph.
I guess "good" is relative
By good I mean, Brouwer- Bolland- Kane can put up a lot of points and score a lot of goals as many as a lot of other teams top lines.
It would surprise no one if that line has more points than the top line at the end of this series or if you end up putting Suter-Weber on the ice when Kane’s line is out there by the end of game 3… or hell by the end of the 2nd intermission of the first game for that matter.
I’d say if you compare top two lines it’s WAS and CHI… and everyone else. I think that’s fair. PIT might want to make a claim based just on their Cs but they don’t have the wings to get in the same class as WAS and CHI.
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Samuelsson/Kesler/Demitra isn’t too bad.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 15, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
like i also said...
The sarcastic wit seems to be missing too.
:)
i did preface it with “small sample size” also, which means I’m a douche-at-heart
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by JohnnyBourbon on Apr 15, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
ahh gotcha
not used to it
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by Aditya T (smashville) on Apr 15, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
cult-level optimistic-due to their team’s increased level of play throughout the season, but they’re oftentimes not even considering how fucking awesome the hawks are.
Wait, what? We can’t be optimistic, but you’re fucking awesome. Got it.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 15, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
see my sarcastic wit reply to your cohort regarding the same line, dude
youse guys are making me smile on the inside
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by JohnnyBourbon on Apr 15, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, we can’t expect them to say, “We’re in the playoffs! The Hawks are going to wax us the fuck right out, but hey, it’s the postseason and we’re in it!!! Yay for four extra games!”
They deserve all the positive thoughts about taking the Hawks down as possible. If the roles were reversed, we’d be saying the same shit.
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"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
not if ur a chicago bulls fan
if the roles were reversed, and i lived in nashville, I’d move.
kidding. kinda.
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by JohnnyBourbon on Apr 15, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed...
optimism is the privilege of the underdog. If you lose, you’re just a homer, not an arrogant douche.
I can live with this. Makes me wanna tousle OtF’s hair, maybe give ’em a light chuck under the chin, even a light shoulder knead.
I'll take Preds in 7
because their D can shut down everybody
They score lots of goals
Rinne is the best young goalie EVER in the history of the world.
Niemi is unproven
The Hawks D is overpaid
Hawks can barely score
Hawks are good and they know it
All the underdogs won yesterday
AND any other inane reason you all can think of.
So, definitely Preds in 7
Or possibly Hawks in 5
Chewing gum?
i see what you did there
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Um, that's not chocolate, Boy Wonder
by JohnnyBourbon on Apr 15, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
you forgot they're an awesome road team (4th best in the NHL)
…who hasn’t won a game on the road in the postseason in 10 tries.
Holy chocolate covered mammary glands, Batman!
Um, that's not chocolate, Boy Wonder
by JohnnyBourbon on Apr 15, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
do you mean to suggest that there is a difference between regular season & playoffs?
Tell that to San Jose.
Never mind.
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Yeah, those games definitely have a bearing on this. I mean shit, Chicago has only made the playoffs for the second time in like the past decade. They gotta suck, right?
A pretty girl is like a violent crime.
by Rob Parker on Apr 15, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
thar be sarcasm!
johnny likey, and somehow, im rec’ing this
Holy chocolate covered mammary glands, Batman!
Um, that's not chocolate, Boy Wonder
by JohnnyBourbon on Apr 15, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
You forgot
Kane is Lazy
Toews takes games off, and has poor work ethics
Hossa is selfish
Seabs is distracted by his gold Medal
Kopy is still crying about not gettting one
DK is slow
Buff is well Buff
VERSTEEG! doesn’t know how to dump the puck
Mad Dog is old
Burish will be in the Box the whole Game
Eager will forget how to play the game…………………….again
Campbell can’t take a nudge from behind
Hammer doesn’t speak English
Niemi is too new
Huet is too porous
Sopel is the best shootout player we have
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 15, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
let's see now ...
“Clogging up the neutral zone will certainly be important” but they don’t trap.
Sort of like “he has a long sequence of picking up girls and murdering them” but he isn’t a serial killer.
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by krome on Apr 15, 2010 11:57 AM CDT reply actions 10 recs
RECD!!!
Holy chocolate covered mammary glands, Batman!
Um, that's not chocolate, Boy Wonder
by JohnnyBourbon on Apr 15, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
of course that "deep knowledge" fan base there
knows full well that the “left wing lock” is the version of a “trap” that NJ used in their Cup runs, and many other teams copied in the years prior to the interference crackdown and all.
It’s not a Honda, its an Accord!
Confusion will be my epitaph.
That this comment is green is one of the worst condemnations one could make of the commentariate here. What a terrible analogy. Defending the neutral zone =! trapping. DET doesn’t let anyone get speed in the neutral zone, but they definitely don’t trap. Teams that don’t find a way to slow up the other team in the neutral zone usually don’t win much. Especially when you have offensive problems like NSH.
For a thread touting how much smarter your fans are there sure are some ignorant comments.
A pretty girl is like a violent crime.
if you read enough of our posts
you will notice that there is much joking going on. There is alot of inside information. During the joking there are sometimes ignorant comments that we find amusing. There are many intelligent people here, just like I am sure there are intelligent people over at OTF. Try to do what I tell everyone else here – take it with a grain of salt. We are kidding around with each other and trying to have fun. Sorry if you were offended, but if you don’t like it don’t read our blog. It is entirely your decision.
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See, here’s something. Fehr and Balanced didn’t even remotely come close to saying he was offended. He said it was a piss poor analogy, and it was, besides the fact that clogging up the neutral zone happens very often exclusively from the trap.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 15, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe offended was the wrong term
For a thread touting how much smarter your fans are there sure are some ignorant comments.
This really did sound like an attack on our site. Everyone has their own opinion and that’s what makes all of this great. I have no problem with anyone, I just wouldn’t come into someone else’s home site and make assumptions based upon a few posts.
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I can see what you’re saying. We’re good.
Again, TBH, I just want the damn puck to drop so they can settle this on the ice.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 15, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I think we are all getting a little trigger happy with the wait.
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- Rodney Dangerfield
You are correct. That was over the top. It was more the reception to the comment that rubbed me wrong. An isolated comment is different than one that gets lit up with community approval.
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we're all good
I don’t hold a grudge about anything. I’m trying to be consciencious myself when visiting other sites too. It can be difficult to bite my tongue at times.
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But he's right
There are ignorant comments here. And we don’t have Thor to point them out anymore. But they can turn green. So, being a newbie of sorts yourself, perhaps you aren’t the best at explaining what the “usual” is here.
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I agree that there are idiotic comments here
I was just trying to stick up for the site, but point taken.
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I will will take full responsibility for ALL the moronic statments made on this site!
Except for the ones I did not post.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 15, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
If I'm needed that badly, I can come back.
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NOW STOP IT RIGHT HERE
by mjthor on Apr 15, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
OH DEAR LORD YES!
PLEASE!!!!!! I need you now more than ever. I’m getting so fucking cranky. I was supposed to be good cop, remember?
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good cop is starting to be a sort of a sliding scale sort of thing lately
you need to relax, it could be a long tense playoff ride – have the kids bring you another glass of happy juice
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Last night's happy juice
led to some pretty bitchy comments. ;) I blame it on the lack of narcotics. Damn kids.
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and we do allow the feeble minded to come play here too
if they want to continuosly toss up idiocies, and put up with the replies, so be it
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I know that...
and that’s what made it even funnier IMO. Some here (Hawks fans) will take it seriously I’m sure, but I like you guys cause you add something new and interesting while we wait til tomorrow.
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That’s fair enough, and I can definitely appreciate it. For what it’s worth, my stomping grounds are Japers’ Rink, not OtF. I don’t really have a dog in this fight. We have lots of inside jokes at Japers’ Rink and a newcomer could easily read them seriously and conclude that we are idiots, so I apologize if I misinterpreted. But I do stand by my claim that “clogging the neutral zone” doesn’t necessarily mean a trap. And trust me, I hate the trap as much as anyone and have spent endless time going at NJD fans over the issue. I just don’t think NSH (or DET) are actually trap teams. There are very few left in the NHL after the new rules, and only NJD does it successfully, IMO.
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"Clogging up" is equal to "defending" and thus not "trapping"
are you reading what you are writing?
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Make your argument. I don’t think NSH or DET trap. What’s your definition of the trap, and what’s your evidence that either of those teams trap?
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I haven't watched Det too much lately
but there early Cup teams did use the Left Wing Lock varient of the trap style as their defensive scheme (hell, even Wikipedia recognizes that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_wing_lock ).
I don’t know if they’ve gotten away from it in the last few years though.
What little I saw of the Nashvile games earlier this year looked rather trappish to me (I don’t recall specifically if it was a 3-2 scheme or a 3 – 1 -1) although I’d acknowledge it was not that most egregious 4 – 1 format.
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I understand the left wing lock history, but I dispute that it’s a trap. One of the big virtues of the LWL is that all 3 forwards know which guy is going to be high and defensively responsible. That allows the other two forwards to actually forecheck more aggressively. That is in strict contrast to the trap. The dynamics have also changed with the rule changes because the two-line pass rule allowed the D to step up further in the neutral zone and make it even tighter. You can’t do that now.
When I’m looking for a trapping team in the post-lockout NHL I look for two things. First, when you turn over the puck in the offensive zone, what happens? A trapping team will immediately have at least two forwards retreat to the neutral zone and the third forward applies only a passive forecheck. The forecheck doesn’t even try to force the puck carrier to move the puck; they just try to make the puck carrier pick a side of the ice. Once that happens the trap is set. Second, when not setting up after offensive zone possession (say, after a dump and change) where does the first forward commit to the puck carrier? Do they hang around the blueline and try to split the ice in two halves, or do they skate right after the puck carrier and force a decision. Trap teams do the former. It’s not an exact definition, but that’s how I see it. I don’t think DET plays like that at all. I don’t watch NSH at all but when I have I don’t get hit with the “it’s a trap!” conclusions that I get with NJD and some other teams. Also, from reading what Dirk and Chris say about NSH, it looks like they like to get the puck deep and forecheck. That may or may not be a trap strategy (dump and chase frequently goes hand in hand with the trap) but I tend to take their word that it’s not a trap since they watch them most.
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by Rob Parker on Apr 15, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
great stuff
Also, from reading what Dirk and Chris say about NSH, it looks like they like to get the puck deep and forecheck
David Legwand this afternoon:
They’re skilled, high speed and a great transition team," . "That’s something we got to shut down, get pucks deep and play a full hockey game
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by Chris Burton on Apr 15, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
The only thing is that dump and chase was the primary offensive tactic (aside from “wait for turnovers”) of the NJD when they were in the trap heyday. They would have said the exact same thing. To determine whether “getting the puck deep” is part of a dump and chase trap or an aggressive forecheck (like PIT did to the Caps last year) you have to look at some more qualitative stuff.
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Yeah, I’m taking the Legwand quote in light of how I KNOW we play, though, which you and krome can’t do as well.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 15, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I would love to the Hawks play a FULL Hockey game too!
So your not the only ones
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 15, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
LWL is not just a high forward - it is turning a forward into a 3rd D efensively
if the high forward stays well ahead of the defense so as to be a middle tier to either support the 2 deep forwards OR support the D – then you’re running a very traditional (non-trap) 2 – 1 – 2.
Confusion will be my epitaph.
trapping can be combined with some very aggressive forecheck from 1 forward
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Wiki for those who want to know (edited by me somewhat)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutral_zone_trap
All teams trap to some extent. It’s good sound defense and as long as it is within the current rules. How else are you going to stop an NHL team from gaining your zone? What the argument here is, I think, is that for some reason there is a denial of the use of the trap. If they (predators) don’t run some form of the trap, left wing lock, etc. and run an overly aggressive forecheck, the speed of the Hawks will beat them often and create more prime scoring chances than they will want.
Thank you Krome.
Chewing gum?
I apologize. I did not edit that wiki entry
I had initially posted the entire entry, but decided it was too long.
Mom always says “Preview before you post”
Chewing gum?
How else are you going to stop an NHL team from gaining your zone?
This is my problem; that people seem to think you can’t play D without trapping. NJD fans say that crap to the Caps all the time. The Caps attack the puck carrier all over the ice. If you get the puck behind your goal line, the Caps are coming. Blueline? Caps are coming. They’ll never concede an entire zone so that they can set up a trap in the neutral zone. I think most teams have the trap in their repertoire, and that most will use it in certain situations, but I don’t think it’s a primary strategy for more than 3 or 4 teams anymore. I also don’t think all teams actually do use it with any regularity.
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All teams will try to "trap" their opponent on either side of the Netral zone
3 , 4, or 5 guys. The puck carrier is forced to the boards and the passing lane is cut off. Lots of different variants on this, of course.
So your saying that for WSH 3 forwards will go in and chase the puck carrier. I doubt that is the case, but if it is, that explains the goals against. It is a good thing WSH scores so many goals.
Chewing gum?
Eh, that’s kind of an easy shot at the Caps, but not really accurate. The Caps are actually very good defensively at even strength. Where the Caps goals against gets inflated is on the PK. Our PK blows. Also, there are a lot of goals against that were garbage time goals. We’d go up 5-1 and coast and the game ends 6-4. They all count the same in the stats but those weren’t really meaningful goals against.
See below, nobody sends 3 forwards in hard on the forecheck, Caps included. What the Caps do is send the closest guy to the puck after the puck carrier hard. Everywhere on the ice. Your D gets the puck in the corner and the closest guy is attacking. The second closest guy is either supporting or already attacking the pass-outlet for the puck carrier. They don’t retreat to the neutral zone to set up their defensive system. They don’t concede any ice. You can be aggressive and still be smart. Hopefully the Caps prove that can work in the playoffs as well this year.
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I don't watch them (Caps) that much so it was as you say an easy shot
Good luck in the playoffs
Chewing gum?
I think it’s probably most accurate to say they move between a 2-1-2 and a 1-2-2 depending on how the play unfolds. They are very aggressive on loose pucks so sometimes you see two forwards attack right away.
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1-2-2 passive, 2-1-2 aggressive
I’d say it’s more about the time in the game and who they are playing than how the play unfolds.
I do like it when teams play aggressive, and I hope that happens when CHI – NSH game starts. It would be fun to watch them slug it out offensively and I would drink more vodka that way.
Chewing gum?
ugh. even reading about the trap is boring.
by Katherine215 on Apr 15, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
bite your tongue
No Lou talk here
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
European style play doesn't trap (based out of the Llyod Percival "Hockey Handbook" that the CCCP adopted)
anyone who really want to learn to coach an entertaining to watch/fun to play/build skilled players system should use Percival’s book as his game plan
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Team Sweden trapped heavily back in the day. I don’t think it’s fair to paint “European hockey” so broadly. There are some distinctive styles, especially the Russians, but those lines are gradually disappearing and there are definite counter-examples throughout.
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So - how about the classic Eastern European style (e.g. old CCCP or Czechoslavakia)?
Back then, lesser teams might indeed decide to ‘trap’ against superior teams even over there
Confusion will be my epitaph.
all defensive schemes with a 3 (or worse yet 4) back base are some variant on the "trap" in the way they operate
as opposed to the 2 – 1 – 2 (or 2 – 2 -1) schemes that are more entertaining to watch.
And yes, when sitting on a lead later in a game, even non-trap team’s will place a high forward further back so as to slip into a sort of practical ‘trap’ effect. But there is a difference when a team starts out with a 3 player back base as a defensive scheme
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I don’t think 3 back is a trap, otherwise everyone traps. There’s literally not a single NHL team that doesn’t preach “third man high.” It’s suicide to not have that guy high; you’ll face odd man rushes all game. It’s about when and where you go into the defensive shell. And 4 men back is going to almost always be a trap, I agree.
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Not that I don't particularly enjoy your comments F&B
But don’t you guys have a game to get ready for tonight??? Is there not much currently going on at Jasper’s?
Again, I certainly don’t mind your observations and comments, I’m actually curious about current activity at JR.
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Japers’ Rink is kinda slow today, but it still has some comments. I’m a student and I’m skipping class so I’ve got time before the game. I’m drinking now and leaving for the game in about 15 so you don’t have to worry about dealing with me too much longer.
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enjoy your game
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Thanks. Will do. Wouldn’t mind talking smack over a SCF showdown. Can Hossa make it 3 in a row?
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third times the charm baby
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You guys did realize he was the 4th place finisher in the Olympics as well…
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the Olympics has nothing to do with the cup
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Might have something to do with Hossa choking in big stages…
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by Chris Burton on Apr 15, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn it's too bad he is the only guy on our team that can score.
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He was excellent in 2008
and injured in 2009. where’s the choke?
by Katherine215 on Apr 15, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I wasn't aware that Hossa was actually
in the stage. on perhaps?
sorry to be a d-bag, but I just had to note that SCH-ers aren’t the only people capable of a grammar fail :)
by blackhawkeyes on Apr 15, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
aside from last year (when playing hurt) - he's almost a point/game in the playoffs
not really fair to lable with the choke tag – now, Thornton?
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Flip side
Aside from playing with Crosby he hasn’t done much in the playoffs.
A pretty girl is like a violent crime.
Yeah I’m not buying him as a choker. I don’t buy curses either. But he has been on 3 straight oh-so-close teams.
A pretty girl is like a violent crime.
sure, far better to be on a series of draft lottery teams
he was a big part of both teams getting to the finals – but just fell a bit short
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He was oh-so-close in 2003 in Ottawa.
If the Sens’ win that series they win the Cup. Unfortunately, Friesen scored and the rest is history.
But really bad for Hossa who was hands-down the best player in the playoffs that year only to fall one goal short in the CF.
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Setting yourself up for a big bowl of crow in a month or so based on some spurious statistics. Go Caps.
I blame it on
get ready…
Kopecky!
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just look at the sharks this year! Thorton is playing like a banshee! noticable on the ice …ummm… nevermind
by blackhawkeyes on Apr 15, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha. But he has an Olympic Gold! The Sharks players were on that team so now they are over the hump!
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really?
it’s easy to win when a mediocre cog on the team is invisible than when the top line player on a team is
by blackhawkeyes on Apr 15, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah. I pretty much did
can I blame it on the fact that I am multi-tasking/studying right now, and my serious focus transferred to the blog?
no? oh well, next time I’ll be ready…
by blackhawkeyes on Apr 15, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
edit:
Japers’ not Jasper’s…my mistake.
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No worries. It’s common and some sites make the mistake on purpose (cough PPP cough).
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PPP is just jealous.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 15, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
And in general the activity level at Japers’ Rink is incredibly high. It’s probably one of the two most active SBN sites as far as commenting.
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It has to be the single most active one when it comes to actual hockey talk, PPP is crazy but its mostly blather.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 15, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
That’s how I like to look at it. Lots of OTOT stuff at PPP. They know their stuff and are active but I think our ratio is better.
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A ton better.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 15, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
And I think we get more quality stuff as far as the substantive posts, but that’s a separate issue.
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Don’t get me started.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 15, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh yes. PPP’s ratio of good posts to comments is incredible. I don’t understand how they get so much activity with the amount of substance.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 15, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Not following, unless the right answer is Toronto?
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by Chris Burton on Apr 15, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly. They’ve got tons of fans to pull from and they are funny guys. It makes perfect sense.
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The humorous part is Chemmy, SkinnyFish and Karina aren’t from Toronto (not sure about Julian)
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by Chris Burton on Apr 15, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
"You do know where their fan base is located?"
Try living in Ottawa having to listen to those mouthbreathers. They still Boo Alfredsson over an inside joke with Sundin (the tossing of the stick).
They’re clueless and dumb. Burke believes they’ll make the playoffs, really? And who are they going to knock out? Montreal? What about Carolina, they’ll have a bounce-back season? I’d be suprised if they finished higher than where they did this season.
Dion Phaneuf the captain. That’s worse than Adrian Aucoin, it really is.
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Even their off-topic shit gets off-topic?
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by mjthor on Apr 15, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Strange things are afoot at the Circle K
and at SCH, Japer’s Rink, OTF, etc.
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- Rodney Dangerfield
"third man high" usually connotes a 2 - 1 - 2 scheme (not trap)
but some teams “third man high” is more like a 3rd D in the defense scheme, so as to effectively become a trap (a la the Left Wing Lock type of thing).
It is a sort of subtle difference, but it really does color the team’s excitelment to watch factor
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Completely agree. “Third man high” is very broad. For the Caps it means if two guys are below the goal line you can’t go down there unless your team has clear possession. For NJD it means you never have three guys down low and the one guy is always ready to retreat to the neutral zone.
A pretty girl is like a violent crime.
PS. really do come back
I am learning quite a lot from you and krome.
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by chiblackhawks on Apr 15, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the exchange for sure. Sorry about the rocky start. I’ll be back around.
A pretty girl is like a violent crime.
it's happened before
we’ve all been here too long to realize not everyone gets our kind of humor—and we take advantage of that, sometimes too much. We also very rarely get outside visitors around, so I don’t think we all know what to do with you guys just yet.
Have fun at the game tonight!
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by chiblackhawks on Apr 15, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
But we like
to rec our ignorant comments. Cause it really pisses you guys off so it’s just that much more fun for us.
We take very little seriously, so have some fun.
BTW, regarding our missing Johnsson, did you guys kidnap him? We still can’t find him.
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OH NO
We could pass the Biscuit too…
not sure what’ worse hiding the Johnsson or passing the Biscuit
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 15, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
DAMNIT
WHEN WILL YOU GET IT!
THAT IS NOT TRAPPING!
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 15, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
sort of reminds me of my son at age 3 - stomping his feet and screaming "I am not cranky"
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Didn't OtF
say in one of our earlier threads that he didn’t expect the Preds to win the series, only that Hawks fans seemed to be under-appreciating the Preds? Or was I hallucinating (yes, again)?
As to the whole deep knowledge based on your team winning a Cup. Huh? I think that gets you a broader fan base, but not necessarily one with deeper knowledge of hockey. Northern cities have a fan base with generally deeper levels of knowledge because many of those fans grew up playing the game, if not in an organized fashion then certainly on back-yard rinks, frozen tennis courts and ponds.
teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.
We have people for that.
I just throw shit out there. This is well known by now. It’s how I roll, baby.
teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.
say in one of our earlier threads that he didn’t expect the Preds to win the series, only that Hawks fans seemed to be under-appreciating the Preds? Or was I hallucinating (yes, again)?
I believe it is possible for one to win a series but underestimate an opponent.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 15, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you still hate us?
The worst SBN experience I’ve had is at Second City Hockey. I could step on to a 1940’s battleship and hear less profanity and get better grammar.
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by Chris Burton on Feb 4, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.
Alright!
Chris had been coll since he came over here.
We do swear a lot. We also have poor grammar and spelling most of the time. He is merely stating a fact.
I have no problem with the manner with which he and most of the other Preds fans have handled themselves.
Classy is the word that comes to mind.
However, our hockey team is more better.
Chewing gum?
by laaarmer on Apr 15, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
We is
Way Fuckin’ more betterer! shit yeah motherfuckers! I speak crazy gud
TAKE OFF THOSE CLOWN SHOES OR I WILL SHOOT THIS DOG!
by BigCSouthside on Apr 15, 2010 12:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Thank you BigC
for highlighting my attempt at sarcasm by taking it way over the top. Very surprising that laaaarms thought I was serious.
teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.
You were kinda
sticking up for him. Like I was being a bully or something.
At the end though? I did see what you did there.
teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.
I’s hope he fuckin doesn’t ain’t mean us mother fuckers!?
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by puppetmasterp on Apr 15, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL, talk about stalking; I forgot I even made that comment. Sorry, at the time it was true.
Also, nothing about that comment translates to ‘hate’, as you insinuate.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 15, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
But we're alkies
So hard to keep tabs on the grammar when we’re shit-faced.
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one more thing
Don’t go all Skip Bayless and get personal if you can help it, this place is for hockey talk, not flinging shit.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 15, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
you mean like this?

Holy chocolate covered mammary glands, Batman!
Um, that's not chocolate, Boy Wonder
by JohnnyBourbon on Apr 15, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Pretty much.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 15, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
in that case
id like to think we’re more evolved than that. most of the flinging shit we do is towards each other…and teh scum
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by JohnnyBourbon on Apr 15, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
FUCK SCUM
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 15, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh . . .
one more time: SAR – CASM. I can’t say it any more slowly. (And since I’m typing to start with, it’s already like, spelled out.)
And, please let us decide whether today is hockey day or flinging shit day. Some days are totally flinging shit days. Some days we squeeze in a little hockey.
On game days, we mostly talk hockey.
Tomorrow is game day. As you have noted: much time and energy to burn all week.
I know there are a few here who manage to deal without drinking heavily. I can say, however, that as a general trait it is a big asset.
teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.
Well, that's pretty fucking true.
Believe me, Mr. Burton—any relation to Tim?—I gave up the grammar battle here long ago.
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bad grammar and profanity are a staple
but if SCH is the worst SBNation experience he’s had, why keep coming back?
Ditto for CNS
Cause I have an open mind, we’re playing the Hawks, and y’all are funny.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 15, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
we do enjoy ourselves here (and at the bars for our game watch get togethers)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
BUT I FEAR TOMORROW I'LL BE CRYYYYYYYING
CRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYING
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there's no crying in hockey
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
It's in response to krome's signature.
But he’s too dumb to realize I’m replying to his signature.
Whatever happened to chrome? He was way cooler than this doppelganger asshole.
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i was thinking of that one oldie song
with an extended “crying” in the chorus
by blackhawkeyes on Apr 15, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Roy Orbison
very different song. Totally different head man, totally different head.
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you like us?
you really really like us?
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/puppies and rainbows
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by Chris Burton on Apr 15, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Fucking answer my goddamn question.
Are you fucking related to Tim goddamn Burton, or what?
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Hell no.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 15, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Good. You're not that fucking snowboard guy, are you?
’Cause I hate that asshole even more than Tim Burton, mostly because of the douches that wear his douchey clothing.
(Full disclosure: I have no idea if Burton Snowboards is a family name, nor do I care. That is, unless you’re him, because that would be marginally cool.)
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Nah, no relation to any famous Burtons.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 15, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
You're okay in my book, then.
Welcome aboard, sailor!
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yes, we enjoy being crude and the self-editing is absent
but we seem to be running a 1000 comments a day, even on non-game days.
Think of it as an exuberant, boisterous Wild West free for all (with all of the good – and yes, a lot of the bad – that goes with it).
We enjoy it, and seemingly more than a lot of team’s sites (where the crickets can be heard chirping, and the full Jeopardy music plays over and over between comments).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
I resemble that Naval remark!
Well no comment
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 15, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I recently taught my students how to summarize, so I'll give it a shot myself and try to summarize this thread:
THE SPORTS TEAM FROM MY AREA IS SUPERIOR TO THE SPORTS TEAM FROM YOUR AREA
How’d I do?
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by mjthor on Apr 15, 2010 12:18 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
You did fine.
However, it is all caps. Does that mean you are screaming at us? Or does it indicate importance?
Either way, it’s still a trap.
Chewing gum?
mjthor's with us - it isn't a trap
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He is risen. He is risen indeed.
Game time beer and feeds coming back for the playoffs, good sir?
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Shut your goddamn mouth.
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YOU shut your goddamn mouth when you’re talking to me!
Don’t interpret my inquiry as a demand, please.
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I told you to shut your goddamn mouth because it was going to be a surprise.
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Oh jeez.
I guess it’s suicide again for me.
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Again?
What are you, a cat?
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Yes?
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Moe Syzlak reference, actually.
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Aw, fuck. I missed a Simpsons reference?
I guess it’s suicide again for me.
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hey now - you've already risen from the dead once this week
don’t push the luck
But if you do, any chance you could bring Johnsson back with you next time?
Confusion will be my epitaph.
I bring my Johnsson everywhere with me.
Sorry, that was fucking awful.
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But I've tried
Especially since you refuse to meet us for any events. And have left me to try to clean up the shit around here, which I suck at.
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SCH's Resident Mom
The sun never sets on a badass
Well I KNOW that....
But I’m not the type to do any sort of “’cleaning up.” That’s what Hubbies are for. And the cooking. And the bringing home of the money so I can spend it on my favorite daughters.
2009 SCH Post Whore
2010 Troll Collector
SCH's Resident Mom
The sun never sets on a badass
daughters?
I have competition a sister?
by Katherine215 on Apr 15, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bingo
But she can’t, cause I spoil and do genuinely like the kid’s g/f. But Katherine remains my favorite here and as such shall be spoiled accordingly.
2009 SCH Post Whore
2010 Troll Collector
SCH's Resident Mom
The sun never sets on a badass
whew, that's a relief
I thought I was going to have to defend my title.
by Katherine215 on Apr 15, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
tonight's title bought ...
a mix of welter-weight and bantam-weight.
In this corner, not wearing any pants at all, the challenger puppetmasterp.
and in this corner, the defending favorite daughter …. KtG
Confusion will be my epitaph.
hey is that on pay-per-view?
vegas’s got it at a push
Holy chocolate covered mammary glands, Batman!
Um, that's not chocolate, Boy Wonder
by JohnnyBourbon on Apr 15, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
take it
like i’ve said before, i identify better with underdogs. Lower expectations, and you get away with TONS more shit b/c no one ever pays attention.
by puppetmasterp on Apr 15, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
/laughs sinister laugh under breath
while plotting….
by puppetmasterp on Apr 15, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Only if your Nashville
Then you can guarantee it’s a “trap”
September 26, 2007 The day a Franchise was reborn.
We never tire of the classics.
non se•qui•tur (nŏn sěk'wĭ-tər, -tŏŏr')
n. 1. An inference or conclusion that does not follow from the premises or
evidence.
2. A statement that does not follow logically from what preceded it.
I teach them that daily. Do they learn it? That's a different story.
I could physically move a kid’s fingers on a keyboard and show him how to correctly cite something in MLA format, but he’ll still manage to fuck it up completely the next time he does it.
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NOW STOP IT RIGHT HERE
By the way, is your signature some sort of homage to me?
If so, awesome.
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NOW STOP IT RIGHT HERE
Friday night
Are the Hawks doing any-color-out for the opening game? I heard a buddy say they were doing a black-out but I don’t trust him and don’t want to ruin the whole motif with my salmon scarf and purple sweater
yeah we're burning our old sullivan & dumont jerseys in effigy too
so bring extra underwear or something
Holy chocolate covered mammary glands, Batman!
Um, that's not chocolate, Boy Wonder
by JohnnyBourbon on Apr 15, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh sure
I have a Classic, a Road and a St Patty’s day green sweater, but not the old alt Black.
Screw it. I’m wearing my road White. I had that on in Nashville for a road-trip in Oct and Hawks win, so I’m going with stuper-sticion.
teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.
I am still having rouble adjusting tothe concept of "road white" and "home colors"
I am such a dinosaur sometimes
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Hey Katherine
thanks for the heads up on the tickets this morning. I couldn’t buy them earlier this morning bc I forgot my credit card at home. But after retrieving credit card and trying about five times just a couple minutes ago, I was able to get through and picked up 2 seats in Section 315. Thank you very much.
by EamusCatuli23 on Apr 15, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
you are very welcome!
I can’t believe how many were available, and still are, apparently.
by Katherine215 on Apr 15, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I was bummed that I forgot my credit card this morning
figuring I had not chance once I retrieved it, but seats were still available. I may have gotten some of the very last few seats because I tried at least 5 times with no luck, then got through the very last time I tried. And that was at about 2:10 p.m. Thanks again
by EamusCatuli23 on Apr 15, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I tried and failed
I wanted the cheapest seat I could find but I wasn’t successful, so I’ll be at home drinking and yelling at the tv. Have to find that damn rubber brick i have..
Yeah I went with two $95 tix
which are 300 level center. So that’s my budget for the weekend. I’ll be joining you with my brick on Sunday.
by EamusCatuli23 on Apr 15, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
If the hawks are doing any kind of color-out
it should be red, plain and simple. It seems like everyone does white.
Last year they had red towels for quite a few of the games and then they switched to white, I was unhappy with said change.
Ditto for CNS
As was I
as for tomorrow: @NHLBlackhawks says, “No red or black outs planned. Lots of red towels handed out though.”
by Katherine215 on Apr 15, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Aww I was planning on painting
my face and hands. I’d be like a red smurf or looking silly like they did in PHX w/ the white faces
Hating on optimism and location
isn’t cool.
I also can’t help but think of how Hossa was absent from the first three games (one being the Hawks getting shutout, oh and Toews was missing in that game too.) and the 3rd he was still getting his legs back. I’d even go as far as saying by the last game, Dec. 27th he wasn’t at full strength. Then again one man doesn’t make a difference I guess.
Yeah the Preds have been hot in the second half of the year, then again losing only one game in OT out of the the last day of the regular season is sort of hot, you know ever since Q got the right lines going. WAY after Dec. 27th. The second loss came the game before they played the Pittsburgh Crosbys, perhaps looking past the Preds for the defending champs a little?
The Preds do scare me, but then again so did the Flames last year and the Canucks.
When in Rome we shall do as the Romans, when in Hell we do shots at the bar.
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Apr 15, 2010 12:56 PM CDT reply actions
Your special teams are ordinary, is there a particular reason for that?
For some reason when i read this question, i had to say it in my head with a snotty german accent
VUT IS ZEE FUNKSHUN UV ZIS EYE-TEM?
Second City Hockey Most Postingest Poster of 2009
NOW STOP IT RIGHT HERE
Summary:
(1) The Hawks are the superior team
(2) Nashville could steal the series should lady luck bounce its way in the form of a Jesus-like performance in goal
(3) Hawks fans underestimate/don’t care about Nashville because, well, it’s Nashville and we are the vastly superior team
(4) Nashville fans are pissed that the Hawks fans don’t care
(5) Hawks fans get pissed because the Nashville fans are pissed/because the Nashville fans think the Preds can steal the series
My 2 cents: serious thoughts (i.e., not “if everything goes exactly right”) that Nashville is going to win this series is unabashed homerism, just like serious thoughts that the Hawks would beat Detroit last year were. They are an inferior team, plain and simple. That being said, everyone has his right to be a homer.
I think that’s about it. Christ I hope something interesting happens before the game tomorrow, because I can’t take much more of this.
by illinikc33 on Apr 15, 2010 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I basically agree - with the stern warning that the superior team doesn't always win a given 7 game series
the Cup just simply isn’t always hoist by the “best team”
The Hawks taking this series is the way the smart money would bet – but it is not any sort of sure thing, and it is not going to be easy by any stretch of the imagination.
Confusion will be my epitaph.
maybe I'm too optimistic
but I thought last year we were going to win. Detroit had some injuries, and some of hawks were getting hot. Hot enought for the cup? maybe not, but definitely hot enough for a trip to the finals. A couple of OT bounces and it would have been a different series.
However, I don’t think last year vs. detroit is like the hawks vs. preds this year. Not that bad bounces won’t happen, but based on skill I don’t see nashville winning a 7 game series. Plus we’ll only get better with campbell (maybe) returning and johnsson (maybe) coming back from the grave.
by blackhawkeyes on Apr 15, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Johnsson
the way Q talked about it the other day, he used every word to describe “dead” without actually using the word. I think he’s done for the year. But here’s to hoping we’re wrong!
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
I agree that's how it seems
I’m just hoping whatever it is miraculously gets better. I wish they’d just drop the secrecy…If it’s a concussion as rumored, just say it! If he’s been out this long already, I find it hard to believe he would make it in the playoffs at all, and if he doesn’t play, you don’t need to protect him with the old “upper-body injury” label. If it’s not a concussion, I hope it’s not something else more serious!
by blackhawkeyes on Apr 15, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
the unspoken line on Johnsson almost seems like he's in a vegetative state
kept alive only my machines
I really would love to see him back, but I’m to the point of wondering about whether he has long term life quality issues going
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Since him only being in the lineup
a couple times, he’s “dead” well at least to me. Would of been nice, but I wont count on a return
the more secretive they are
the more i keep going back to the thought of terminal cancer.
by puppetmasterp on Apr 15, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah i am
both in Guatemala, as well as an eternal barrel of sunshine.
my host family here has a decent wifi hook up, but not fast enough for me to stream games from the comfort of the living room couch. Still, it’s enough for me to check out SCH once or twice a day.
or when i don’t want to do work…..umm….
by puppetmasterp on Apr 15, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
cool
good your able to stay in touch. Bummer about the slow wifi though…couldn’t you go down the street to the buffalo wild wings to watch the game tomorrow?
haha
there is a bar here though, owned by ex-pats, that apparently prides itself on having a bazillion sports channels. I dropped in early today and they had a spanish soccer game and the cubs game on (CUBS?? REALLY?? ugh).
I’ll go back later this evening to inquire into the availabilty of versus. Though i may have a tough time single-handedly fighting off the restless Friday night drinking crowds in order to usurp one of the precious flatscreens tomorrow.
by puppetmasterp on Apr 15, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
huh
That is pretty amazing about the Cubs game being on. By the “ugh”, I take it your a Sox fan?
Yeah, it might be difficult taking over a tv for yourself, but who knows maybe there won’t be much on tv to compete with. Maybe, if you have the game on, it will be like a novelty to the locals…they will take interest and you can teach them about the game and convert them into hockey (and Hawks) fans! (buying shots doesn’t hurt either)
yeah sox fan
but i do wish i had some extra t-shirts to try to convert some hawks fans down here.
by puppetmasterp on Apr 15, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I feel like I've read this somewhere before...
by Katherine215 on Apr 15, 2010 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
yes but not everyone reads threads as carefully as you
i was asked on 2 separate threads, the 2nd after I’d already answered once. so i cut and pasted b/c linking is hard here, and my signal cuts out sometimes.
by puppetmasterp on Apr 15, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I was just giving you a hard time!
I would’ve done the same thing :)
by Katherine215 on Apr 15, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
well theres always Red Flag Warnings from the National Weather Service
URGENT – FIRE WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHICAGO IL
1003 AM CDT THU APR 15 2010
…RED FLAG WARNING IN EFFECT FROM EARLY THIS AFTERNOON THROUGH
EARLY THIS EVENING…
.STRONG GUSTY WINDS COMBINED WITH LOW RELATIVE HUMIDITY LEVELS
WILL LEAD TO POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS FIRE WEATHER CONDITIONS. DRIER
AIR MIXING DOWN TO THE SURFACE WILL LOWER SURFACE DEWPOINTS AND
WHEN COMBINED WITH TEMPERATURES RAPIDLY CLIMBING INTO THE 70S TO
LOW 80S…RELATIVE HUMIDITY LEVELS WILL DROP TO LESS THAN 25
PERCENT THIS AFTERNOON.
…RED FLAG WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 1 PM CDT /2 PM EDT/ THIS
AFTERNOON TO 8 PM CDT /9 PM EDT/ THIS EVENING…
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN CHICAGO HAS ISSUED A RED FLAG
WARNING…WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 1 PM CDT /2 PM EDT/ THIS
AFTERNOON TO 8 PM CDT /9 PM EDT/ THIS EVENING.
GAH! ITS FIRE WEATHER OMG WE’RE ALL GONN’DIE
Holy chocolate covered mammary glands, Batman!
Um, that's not chocolate, Boy Wonder
by JohnnyBourbon on Apr 15, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Alright, I’m going to drink before the game tonight. Good talking with you guys.
A pretty girl is like a violent crime.
Later, dude.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 15, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
didn't comment b/c just finally got a chance at work
but I saw the conversation and some good insite you had
and there speling two
but at least we’re good looking. i think.
Holy chocolate covered mammary glands, Batman!
Um, that's not chocolate, Boy Wonder
by JohnnyBourbon on Apr 15, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I couldn't spell if my life was on the line
I fail English. At least I work in payroll where I deal with money, my favorite.
Heaven help us
JR is going to be doing some announcing / commentary for the NBC games. I just loved him during the Olympics.
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
Maybe he will actually punch somebody this time
Hopefully his initials are PM
"SQUIRREL"
Get off my Land!
ART.I§8-11; AM I-XXVII
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 15, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
it's a lock
if PM ever tries to hug JR in an uncomfortable/creepy manner
by puppetmasterp on Apr 15, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Who's got that viedo?
It is “Priceless” while History is being made!
"SQUIRREL"
Get off my Land!
ART.I§8-11; AM I-XXVII
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 15, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
This one?
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
by stacie7 on Apr 15, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thar be the one
"SQUIRREL"
Get off my Land!
ART.I§8-11; AM I-XXVII
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 15, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
One thing about Weber and Suter
I’ll bet they match-up with Kane’s line a lot more than Hossa’s, honestly. Trotz tends to use Hamhuis (and whoever his partner is) against the other team’s top-line so he Weber and Suter can spend more time in the offensive zone (theoretically).

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