Right-catching goalies may or may not enjoy negative frequency dependent perceptual advantage against the Hawks...exciting!
Gmh has proven once again that she is not only smarter than any of the three of us that write for this site - but she's also got a hell of a lot more skill in the photoshop/graphic department too. This is a bit of a long read so we wanted to make sure we put it up on a non-game day so that it wouldn't get pushed down too quickly. It's another great read - enjoy and a big thanks to GMH. - Killion
Yes, this is a post about goaltending (no, it's not that kind of post about goaltending).
Intro/background
First, a list of all the small things that have led to the conception of this fanpost: Going straight to the root, I was born left-handed. I first learned how to write with my right hand because I went to preschool in the basement of a church and that's just How Things Were Done. I do practically everything else with my left hand, though, like using scissors, bowling, stirring cake batter, and giving shitty drivers the finger -- and a few years ago, I relearned how to write with my left hand, so for all intents and purposes I'm ambidexterous (which, funnily, does not mean "two-handed," but "equally right-handed").
A few months ago, I read this mind-blowing fanpost over at Athletics Nation (This Message Is Brought to You By Curtis Granderson), which argues that the number of left-handed pitchers in baseball (28% of the MLB) is not justified by any sort of statistical dominance. Handedness obviously isn't nearly as significant in hockey as it is in baseball -- coaches pair up two left-shooting defensemen together all the time, and wingers aren't confined to either side of the ice.
But what about goaltenders? In the 2007-08 season, there were only seven goalies who didn't use left-handed gloves (the stick side is considered a goalie's strong side). The Hawks played five of them. What's interesting, though, is that since that season, three young right-catching goalies (RCG for short) have made their NHL debuts. Six of the eight current RCGs either play or have played in the Western Conference, which means the Hawks see them quite a bit.
Aside from this article, there isn't a lot of insightful literature on the rareness of RCGs, and even this piece is rather vague
To Tomas Vokoun, one of the lefties, the difference gives him an edge, a slight one to be sure, but an edge nonetheless. And we all know how goalies love those advantages, however small. "It's a little bit easier for me to stop left-handed shots and most of the players in the NHL have left-handed shots," said Vokoun, the Florida Panthers’ top goalie. "Although, I don't think it's a significant advantage. I don’t think a goalie that catches with his right hand has a significant advantage."
Right-handed catching goalies do have more trouble with players that have right-handed shots because that leaves their stick side susceptible to a shot from the player’s strong side.
"Righties are a little bit tougher for me because a goalie's natural weak side is his blocker or his stick side and that is what the righties are facing against me," Vokoun said. "It's tougher to make a save on the stick side, but fortunately, most of the players in the NHL are left-handed (shots), even though there are more and more right-handed shots in the League."
So Vokoun is basically saying, yeah, I can see some shots better but some are tougher for me and while being a lefty has its advantages it's not a real advantage and ... followed by a bunch of quotes from NHL players about "adjusting their game." Pretty nonconclusive.
What was conclusive, though, was the Hawks' 5-6-1 record and measly 7.3 shooting percentage against RCGs in 2007-08, despite the roster being around half right-handed shooters that season (Vokoun states in the NHL.com article that he experiences some trouble with right-handed shooters coming from his weak side).
I needed to dig deeper. So I did. Three weeks, four spreadsheets, three text documents, and approximately 329048 Photoshop layers later, these are my results, broken down from both the RCG and the shooters' perspectives.
(For the record, the third thing that made me want to take on this long and mind-numbing project was my angsty yet unabating obsession with Jonas Hiller.)
Goaltender data
I made infographs so this part wouldn't be all WALL OF TEXT, TOO LONG DIDN'T READ. Fact: Clipping hockey players in Photoshop without using a mouse (and with perpetutally sweaty palms) is a massive pain in the ass.
MATHIEU GARON, EDM/PIT/CBJ (click for full-size version)
JOSH HARDING, MIN
JONAS HILLER, ANA
STEVE MASON, CBJ
JOSE THEODORE, COL/WSH
TOMAS VOKOUN, FLA
- I only included results from the 2007-08 season until the present, both to preserve my sanity and to keep the data set palatable. The Hawks dressed over a dozen rookies that season, and it was the start of the renaissance, which is also pretty fitting.
- The Hawks played less than 15 minutes against RCG J.S. Aubin in a 6-3 blowout of the L.A. Kings on December 12, 2007. Aubin gave up goals to Ruutu, Havlat and Keith and was promptly pulled. The sample size was so incredibly small that I did not include that game in my spreadsheets (also, the shot summary page for that game seems to have been eaten by a black hole, aka the NHL database, which makes it difficult to track individual shots).
- I didn't make a graphic for Jeff Deslaurier (although his numbers are included in the final tally, unlike Aubin's), since he's only faced the Hawks twice in his young career, and behind a spectacular trainwreck of an Oilers team. His numbers against the Hawks can be summed up as "pretty shitty." (For anyone who's interested: Deslaurier has given up 9 goals on 67 shots for a 0.866 SV% against the Hawks, and Toews has been lethal against him, scoring 3 goals on 7 seven shots.)
Um, wow, we dressed some absolute dogs in 07-08, but the good news is, there's definitely been an upward trend both in terms of personnel and shooting percentage against RCG. From the extremely poor 7.3% logged by the likes of Samsonov, Bourque, and Martin freaking Lapointe, the Hawks improved less than a point to 7.9% in 09-10, but they also played two less games than in 07-08, and saw all but two RCGs only once (in Garon's case, only half a game). Hiller and Mason posted 0.935 in three games and 0.917 in four games against the Hawks, respectively, both at or above their season SV% (0.919 and 0.916, respectively).
Another thing to keep in mind when looking at season-to-season changes is the quality of the opposing team. In 07-08, out of the five RCGs we played (Vokoun, Harding, Hiller, Garon, and Theodore), three were on teams that made the playoffs that season, and we only saw Vokoun's non-playoff Panthers once. In 08-09, three out of six RCGs were on playoff teams, Vokoun again was a one-night stand, and Garon (still with Edmonton at that point) didn't even last a full game.
This season is a different story. The Hawks have been outshooting their opponents on a nightly basis (something that wasn't true of the previous two seasons), and their 9.1% shooting success vs RCG is very very close to their season overall of 9.5% (through 79 games). Not only are they carpet-bombing the opposing goalie at times, but all of the Western Conference RCGs are on non-playoff-bound teams. Theodore, with the Caps, is the only playoff-bound RCG this season, and teams like Minnesota (had issues transitioning to a different system), Columbus (basically abandoned their trusted system), Florida (pathetic) and Edmonton (ten-car pileup) were out of the race before New Years.
Also interesting, although a bit irrelevant -- from 2007-10, RCGs have almost all performed at or better than their season SV% when seeing the Hawks more than once per season. Only this season, Deslaurier, with two games against the Hawks, and Theodore, with one, performed worse than their season average. The sample size of 4-to-6 games is obviously smaller than 82+ games over the course of the season, but there's a reason why we dread seeing certain names: Hiller, Vokoun, and Harding have all played exceptionally well against the Hawks over the last three seasons, as seen in the infographs above.
Shooting summaries
Okay, so this is the part where I try to make sense.

Earlier, I mentioned that the Hawks have a lot of right-handed shooters. I couldn't find the exact split for the entire league, but my guess is that righties are less prevalent than lefties, although slowly gaining ground. Most young hockey players simply learn to shoot from the left side, it seems. For the Hawks, from 2007-10, the split has been 21 RHS to 22 LHS, although the difference in shooting percentage hasn't always benefited the righties when it comes to RCGs, as you can see by the season summary chart.
In 2007-08, righties carried the load, which is what you'd expect from a group that has a natural positioning advantage over RCGs, like Vokoun described in the article. I mean heck, even Sopel got in on the action with an hysterically skillful end-to-end type deal against Harding (I'll never forget it). Toews and Keith were two of the lefties who didn't have much luck against RCGs, although their fates would diverge, if you will, in subsequent seasons.
There were two areas of improvement between seasons. Firstly, the fourth line (which was an integral part of the 2008-09 season, in my opinion) contributed offensively all season. The second was Captain Marvel finding his scoring touch against RCGs: He went from 1-for-30 to 4-for-26, while righties like Bolland and Sharp came down to earth a bit after logging great shot percentages the previous season. Notable non-scorers in 2008-09 were Buff (0-22), Barker (0-10), and Keith (0-23), who continued his bad luck against RCGs.
This season, as you can see by the annoying double columns in the chart, we had a ton of contribution from all across the board. Guys like Bickell, Dowell, Kopecky, and Madden are chipping in, while Buff seemed to finally find his touch. Toews continued to improve his success rate against RCGs, as well, and Hossa proved that pandas can snipe from pretty much anywhere. Combine the Hawks' firepower with lack of quality in the opposing RCGs' teams, and it's not that surprising that their shooting percentages have risen so dramatically in the space of two seasons.
One last infograph, with three-year totals, and shooter and goalie rankings:

After poring through three seasons' worth of data, it might be fair to say that while there may be a difference in perception when facing right-catching goalies, it isn't something they can take for granted, since good goalscorers can make those little adjustments -- shooting at the stick side, or getting into a different shooting position -- that negate the advantage that RCGs have. I think looking at Toews's numbers as a lefty had been the most enlightening. Righties like Bolland, Sharp, and Versteeg have enjoyed fairly constant success against RCGs over the seasons, and Kane, a lefty, has also been steady, I suspect because he's a right winger shooting from the weak side.
Also, because so many RCGs play in the Western Conference (CBJ employs two this season, Mason and Garon, which to me is a wonderful oddity), the Hawks have more opportunities to make those adjustments. This season, excepting the three hours that Rick Dipietro emerged from his cocoon of marshmallow pillows and velveteen coverlets only to remember that the real world is no place for a fragile butterfly like him, the East's only RCGs are Theodore and Vokoun, and the Hawks saw Theodore often enough when he was in Colorado two seasons ago.
That's what makes Jonas Hiller so frustrating to play against. He's never had the best defense in front of him (this season it's been Scott "Greybush" Niedermayer and five pieces of driftwood dressed in Ducks jerseys), and he's only had three seasons of big league experience, but he manages to play the Hawks tighter than a nun's hoohah. Every. Single. Freaking. Time. Having practically stalked Hiller since he was a rookie, I can say that part of it is due to his excellent glove hand (that's what she said), but whatever the reason, he's been one of the boogeyman goalies for the Hawks lately.
Anyway, this is one of those things that might not have any widespread significance, because I'm unable to incorporate stats from all across the league for fear of my laptop and/or brain exploding. It would be really cool to see how well Vokoun plays against the East as opposed to the West, whether RCGs really do give up more goals to right wingers who shoot from their weak side, etc. In the meantime, I feel like this is pretty interesting with regards to the Hawks' fortunes over the last three seasons. Not only was it a nostalgia trip (anyone got a Magnus Johansson rookie card?), but I found it kind of rewarding to isolate and chart this one aspect of the team's ongoing development.
OH THANK GOD FINALLY THE END!! (If anyone is interested in seeing the raw data to do some number crunching of their own or to print out and use as a dartboard, I can do that.)
Thanks to: NHL stats page, Blackhawks game stats archives, Wikipedia, and a lot of Easter candy.
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Holy dude!
That is an epic FanPost… I can’t believe you sacrificed watching the game to post it. I’ve only read the first couple of paragraphs and looked at all the admittedly very pretty pictures but this is going to be prime material when I get to work, and I get the feeling it’s quite the insightful piece. So, in advance — well done!
my internet wasn't going to let me watch the game anyway
it’s only insightful if you’re 1) obsessed with goaltending, 2) like reading things about left-handed people, 3) like pretty pretty pictures. Hope you can get something out of it, haha.
"Handedness" in hockey is no great mystery
The top hand is generally the person’s top hand – such that one’s hockey classification for shooting is most often the opposite of one’s “handedness” (as for writing, throwing, etc.).
The important thing to remember is the “generally” part, becuase (a) shooting in hockey with the non-dominant hand on top is not uncommon and (b) US players are much more likely to shoot with the non-dominant hand on top (the therory I’ve heard being that non-hockey parents often buy “right handed sticks” for right handed kids not knowing that the kid probably ought to shoot “left handed”.
Stick sales world wide (and in the US) bear that ought.
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Did you mean that
the top hand is generally the person’s dominant hand?
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
yes
right handed person, with stick held at top with right hand = left handed shot
left handed person, with stick held at top with left hand = right handed shot
Caveat – not everyone holds stick at top with dominant hand and US kids do so less than those elsewhere)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The ‘right handed person = left handed shot and vice versa’ thing isn’t difficult to understand if you watch how players handle the stick, but it does get really confusing in newspaper articles or on blogs, where sometimes writers refer to the person’s stick handling preferences when they talk about a player being left handed, and sometimes they refer to the person’s actual hand dominance, regardless of how they shoot. I actually had a reason to go looking recently to see if I could find a reference to what hand Thornton shoots with, and discovered that reporters described him as ‘left-handed’ and ‘right-handed’ with about equal frequency. I actually had to go to youtube and watch Sharks clips to see how the man was shooting.
Which does nothing to diminish the accuracy of your above description, but is just to say buyer beware when it comes to trusting reporters to get hockey details right.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Apr 7, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I talk to reporters a lot
they often know nothing about what they’re writing on (and get a lot just plain wrong)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
I don't talk to reporters a lot,
but that’s the sense I’ve gotten from reading their articles about hockey.
Regrettably, with the marked exception of team beat writers, most journalists just don’t know enough about the sport to do it justice. Especially those goat-gropers over at the AP who write game summaries, and occasionally manage to fuck up who the starting goalie for the team was, or who scored what goal. One wouldn’t think that reading the box scores the NHL puts out (the ones that say “GOALS: Player X (Assist: Player Y, Player Z”) would be difficult for someone with a degree in journalism. One would be wrong.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Apr 7, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
So I'm left confused
As to whether or not I’m right or left handed when it comes to hockey.
At the last SCH meet up I participated and won in the puck shooting competition. Soupy’s Spin-o-rama helped me figure out how I wanted to shoot, as being a lefty all my life, but with right-handed family and the pressures from teachers way back when, led me to do some things right-handed. I shot with my left hand on top. Then again, I broke my left wrist last year, so I don’t know if that plays into my difficulty in still using that side.
Ahh well, very awesome post, very very interesting, thanks for the work gmh, you are awesome at this shit! (Even if you haven’t provided me true statistical analysis ;) .)
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I can’t do statistical analysis because I never took stats in college and I fail at functions past plain old arithmetic. :(
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but it would be cool if some stat geek can do some analysis. I don’t have any programs, and forgot everything I learned (not that I was ever real good at it, but I knew some basics).
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yeah, that would be nice. i wonder what stat geeks are around…
(170 g) * (3x10^8 m/s)^2 = 1.5x10^16 J
Being a stat geek
is basically what I do for a living… at least, until I become unemployed and probably become a computer geek instead.
I’m not sure what you mean by “analysis” though, I don’t know if sports statisticians really do much beyond linear regressions and coming up with fancy arbitrary formulas.
I'm always looking
for the P. I want to see if there’s significance to any findings.
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by gmh on Apr 8, 2010 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Hahaha
You’re selling yourself short. Everything I’ve seen you do is of interest to many.
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Stop fighting
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mom doesn't love you as much
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by gmh on Apr 8, 2010 3:28 AM CDT up reply actions
wow, I learned something new again on this site
I never knew hockey players generally shot with the opposite hand. I’ve only handled a hockey stick a few times since floor hockey in gym class in high school, but I’m right handed and usually shoot with my left hand on top.
Why do they teach little kids to shoot with their dominant hand on top of the stick? Doesn’t the right hand do most of the actual shooting? If I used my left hand, the puck would go who knows where (my left hand is mainly there to ensure my watch doesn’t fall off, not for any usefulness).
but no - the lower hand doesn't do most of the actual shooting as far as control/finesse goes
Confusion will be my epitaph.
it is the more natural tendency to hold the stick dominant hand on top
and, if you’re holding the stick with the proper grip and all, the top hand is the “control” hand (the bottom hand supplies some power, and setting the fulcrum point around which one shoots).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
I would put my right hand on the bottom
and my left on the top (which is what I do when I bother to sweep). So this makes me a weird US kid?
you'd be less common than more common
but US kids are more uncommon in this regard than kids from other countries
Confusion will be my epitaph.
I totally agree with your handedness
I’m righty and (although i don’t play hockey) would put my right hand on the bottom. it just feels right when I shovel/ play fake hockey with a broom
by blackhawkeyes on Apr 7, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Crazy, I'm learning this for the first time too
But as far as being “natural,” isn’t it the opposite of other “stick” sports like baseball and golf? And sweeping, I guess.
It probably makes a lot more sense to somebody who’s played more than broomball and P.E. class floor hockey, but the only thing I can think of is maybe it’s the fact you’re not following through as high… but to be honest I’m still pretty confused about it.
I’d disagree. Especially in the States where baseball is the opposite of what you stated. RH-hitters are generally RH-throwers. The dominant hand is on top (analogous to the bottom on a hockey shot) and the non-dominant hand is at the bottom of the bat. When I started playing hockey, putting my dominant hand (RH) on top felt unnatural, just as swinging a bat lefty felt unnatural. I play net now and to this day, as a LH-catching goalie (same as in baseball), I struggle with the shooting/passing motion because it is a dominant hand on top forehand shot for me.
The Avalanche, clearly, are down with No PP.
I'm a True South Paw including Hockey (Well so I thought, I guess)
When holding a Hockey Stick my Left hand is Low, a present the same body aspect to the puck as I do the Ball while holding a Bat or Golf Club. I feel this is more powerful and better controlling, since the low hand is more for the fine mechanics of stick control, while the high is basically the fulcrum or pivot point.
BUT, for some reason when getting tire I catch my self shifting to the opposite hand position in hockey. I think it may be, from learning how to golf at a young age (I did not even start skating until 18) All the was available was Right Handed Clubs. Today I now play Lefty with more power, but the fine mechanics are more precise from the right side. So I can hit it 250+ yds Lefty, but slice into Tuesday, or Righty I can hit it 150-200 yds, but fairly straight.
But now this is going to make me rethink this. Shooting from left to Right I have more power, Right to Left slightly more control (Left to right still not bad). Now you got me thinking.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 10, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
that's why I used RHS and LHS
although I think I gave that up later in the post, oops? Yeah, I heard the same thing about US players going opposite from conventional hockey wisdom, and maybe it’s because I’m a bit ambi, but I find shooting from either side weird in different ways. Or maybe it’s because I’m athletically challenged.
I disagree, handedness in hockey is a mystery
to me, the hockey slapshot is similar to the golf shot and somewhat similar to the baseball swing…in which the left hand is the power hand and leads through the swing.
The issue in hockey, as you say, is that for stick handling and wrist shots you need your control hand in that position. See what I mean?
Ditto for CNS
This is what was confusing me
I swing righty and (mini) golf righty, so why not the same for hockey? Krome has made me sort of see the error of my ways, but still. It is not logical to me.
I suppose some of the confusion is that hockey isn't as dramatic about it
and there are a lot more people who ‘crossover’.
Note how often a left shooter works with only the left hand on the stick against how often with just the right hand on the stick. A leftie stickhandling to the backhand side often goes for a fairly long time with just the right hand holding.
And you should watch a good player goofing off and shooting with only the top hand (with the middle of the stick fulcrumed on the shinguard)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
I would just want to move my right hand up the stick
and stickhandle one-handed that way. Well, if I could skate, that is. It probably doesn’t work in real time, though. Ok, I get the why more now.
(ok, I tried to make the subject line less dirty but I’m drawing a blank.)
I was just giggling
thinking boy she set herself up on that one
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
.......and then she wakes up from her dream
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
one handed stick handling
it takes skill, practice, and a fair amount of luck to pull it off. it’s not as easy as Burish makes it look
(170 g) * (3x10^8 m/s)^2 = 1.5x10^16 J
I wasn't thinking it was easy
just if I were to ever try it, that’s what I would do. Hockeywise.
I’m exiting this conversation now.
oooo kayyy
To skip past the tension-filled moments of comments above. Now that I think of it, isn’t this exactly what a two-handed tennis backhand is like? I actually have a much better tennis backhand than forehand, so it now makes more sense to me how it would translate to hockey. But just for me…
my comment(s)?
did not mean to be tension-filling if you were referring to me, sorry if something I said came off that way!
by Katherine215 on Apr 7, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
ha ha
Ok, so I dug out my broom when I got home last night and tried to pretend I was shooting a puck (I used a dog toy). I think I get what you’re saying about the top hand pulling back. It felt awkward when I tried it the “right” way but that’s probably to be expected since I’m not used to it. I finally get the idea behind it though.
I had figured that this site would be gone by now - but no!
http://www.exploratorium.edu/hockey/
The shooting section has some great slow motion analysis of how shooting works. Maybe it will help illustrate things so as to be further enlightening.
The site in genreral is well done.
Confusion will be my epitaph.
cool site
I especially liked the slo-mo of the goalie glove-save. I’d like to see somebody do something similar using today’s ultra high-speed/high definition camera technology.
Try calling "Time Warp"
on Discovery channel. I have no doubt that they can do it as well, if not better than, anyone else.
/Note unceasing sarcastic laughter in background.
by burpchelischili on Apr 9, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
OK - perhaps this helps some
The crux of shooting is the top hand pulling back, not the lower hand pushing through.
When you watch the lamest of the “shoot the puck” selectees, they are pushing through with the lower hand.
The lower hand is there to set the fulcrum point, the upper hand pulls back and flexes the stick – from the end on ice around the fulcrum point at the lower hand – and that is where your main power comes from, as well as the main fine control.
It is counterintuitive, but it is.
Confusion will be my epitaph.
this
makes me legitimately want to learn how to play hockey
by blackhawkeyes on Apr 8, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?
Watching the Blackhawks makes me want to learn how to play hockey… a description of the physics of shooting a puck… um… I’ll stop it right there.
of course watching makes me want to learn
but it seems like a more realistic endeavor when I know how its sipposed to be done. plus, i’m an engineer, so I have a sick fascinaton with how things work and move
by blackhawkeyes on Apr 9, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
the "science of hockey" series (link appears above) is very informative
The San Jose Sharks were involved with the group that created it – it was featured on the Sharks website in the early days of the franchise (I suspect it was part of an effort to plant the hockey seeds in that market).
I liked the series because it was accurate, informative, doesn’t treat new fans like dummies and it was done with some flair.
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Stick Sales Article
I’m amazed that a newspaper article is actually getting all these details, and it’s the NY Times no less. But from what was said (maybe there’s some American bias), I’m now even more confused — it seems like you could argue either way to be more “natural.”
I guess there’s nothing quite like doing it hands-on though. Gives you the best “feel.”
Can anyone explain to me the dig
at the beginning of the article about Canadian-American differences over ketchup?
(170 g) * (3x10^8 m/s)^2 = 1.5x10^16 J
I believe it's that Canadian ketchup is sweeter
due to the use of sugar vs high fructose corn syrup.
I think the article backs up all that I said before
even the speculation (for the therwise unexplained split) that US kids are righthanded shooters more because the parents buy righthanded sticks more often to start the kids off (not knowing they ought to be buying lefts)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
I shoot left-handed
and the reason might be that in our neighborhood we played all positions. We used our baseball gloves as a catcher. Since I throw right handed, the glove was on my left hand and I controlled the stick with my right arm. The more I played the better I could control from the left side.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
but that is the way you ought to shoot anyway, as a righthanded person
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Actually
I started off shooting right handed like I would (and still) bat in baseball. It was only after playing goalie that caused me to switch. Not that it was a big difference, I had a better slapshot shooting righthanded and better stick control, accuracy and wrist shot lefthanded.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
Krome, you are absolutely correct. (re: right handed sticks)
I feel that curved sticks should be banned for younger players for that reason. Give them a chance to figure it out.
I went to several stores before I could find a straight stick for my granddaughter (to teach her how to stick handle). It pissed me off no end!
"My name is Byfuglie33, and I am a RCG..."
My dad didn't let me use any curve until Bantams (and then only the slightest)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
That's really interesting!
Thanks for compiling all of that. I can definitely say that I’m going to be paying a lot more attention to this while watching games from now on.
if I had alllll the time in the wooooorld
(and also access to video archives), I would have gone back and watched all the goals we’ve scored against RCGs and charted how each goal was scored, whether there was a bias toward shots from the right wing, etc. Alas.
Wow
This is some great stuff…well done! When I get some quiet time, I’ma come back to this and really comb through it.
Holy Shit!
That right there is some INFORMATION.
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I rec'd it due to pretty pictures.
Still working on the words.
Side effects may include: Thrifty Knuckles, Sexual Nightmares, and Sleep Crime
Speaking of pretty pictures
Are some of the big ones cut off for any of you? Or am I just imagining things?
Finally did read through the post though. Definitely something that interests me as well. I’m kind of tempted to pull some of the “statistical analysis” Trixie seems to want, if I can think of where to start.
Oh they show up
It’s just the right-hand part of them get cut off. It seems to be dependent on how wide my browser window is. I need a wider screen =/
I switched over to narrow and it did crop the pics
so apparently that is what the problem is
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 8, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Ah, that's what it is
I don’t like maximizing my browser window — makes it too hard to multitask.
I haven’t said this enough, but — those graphics look amazing. Like they could be in a brochure of some sort.
damn, that's a lot of work right there
It would be interesting to see just how much it affects things league-wide, though I do wonder whether the sample size is reliable or not.
Slightly tangential to this point: All my best friends—from grade school to college to now—are left-handed.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
three years probably isn't quite enough
I’ll probably keep spreadsheets for the next few seasons to see if there’s any variation, and I also think looking at where goals get scored on RCGs would be valuable, so yes, this monster will EVOLVE!
by gmh on Apr 7, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So you're taking this idea and running way too far and way too obsessively with it?
I love you. :) Rec for fellow OCD-like coolness!
true story
my mother got me evaluated for OCD when I was younger.
by gmh on Apr 7, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
When I was a child there wasn't a lot of concern about those sorts of thigns
but if I was a kid today I would be doped to hell and back for ADHD and OCD. I’m perfectly functional, just a bit fidgety and rather uptight about things being neat and orderly. Oh, and I count things and sort my M&Ms. All signs of higher intelligence, right?
I sired a hockey player and a gymnast
ADD and OCD both run in the family.
In the old days we were just eccentric and active and fidgety and particular – now it is drugs
Confusion will be my epitaph.
I grew up right before Ritalin became a hot-button word
thank god. I have enough trouble functioning as it is without zombie drugs fucking up my system even more.
by gmh on Apr 7, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
The term we're looking for is FULL RIGHT for such goalies
Matt Cooke is a turd burglar. He burgles ALL the turds.
At least he's not Cam Janssen. What a bag of dicks that guy is.
no goalie is "fully right" - they're all at least "a little touched in the head"
Confusion will be my epitaph.
great post
I think I speak for everyone when I say that we really appreciate the time and effort spent.
I too love me some Jonas Hiller.
Ditto for CNS
To me, that's the one unanswered question in the post ...
Why would anybody appreciate Jonas Hiller? Isn’t he the ugliest of the three brothers?
by Billy Charlesbois on Apr 10, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
... Did you acctually
just get a Jonas brothers refrence?
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by burpchelischili on Apr 10, 2010 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
Did you make a life line call to the younger Niece/nephew?
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by burpchelischili on Apr 10, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't have the will power you do ...
the most impressive thing about your 7,500 word article is that some how you resisted the urge to make one.
Although you made a “that’s what she said joke.” So you don’t have completely unclean hands.
by Billy Charlesbois on Apr 11, 2010 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Right vs. Left
Well 90% of the population is roughly right handed. It always boggled me that the left handed shot seemed to dominate hockey since baseball/golf you see a much larger number of righty swingers. I think it was krome whom pointed out that US parents seem to buy the wrong sided stick for their children…linked is this article on how Canadians sell more left-handed (lefty shot, right hand dominant from krome’s explanation I read) sticks, where in the US they sell a disparaging amount of right handed sticks (righty shot, left hand dominant). The article says they do not know the reason for it. I think we may have just figured it out. I know my parents bought me the ‘wrong’ sticks then when I was a midget.
did you also notice that outside of North America, the stick sales were as lopsided to "lefthanded shots" - if not more so - than Canada?
The line about the great USSR (CCCP) teams sometimes having almost no righthanded shots really caught my eye
Confusion will be my epitaph.
I think the reason the U.S. has more right handed shots
comes down to baseball being played at an earlier age than hockey. Right handed kids bat right handed and that carries over to how they shoot in hockey.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
Interestingly
I believe there are a decent number of players who do bat the other way (as opposed to normal or switch) from their dominant hand
I commented above that as a kid I started off
shooting right handed. That changed when I was put in net and used my baseball glove for the catcher. I found I had better control of the stick from the left.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
right - the folks start them out thinking they ought to be that way
without the depth of the sport’s background to know better (and not being as inherently clear cut as with so many other things, like throwing, the kid doesn’t instictively rebel and switch).
And the kid then learns it from the start.
Confusion will be my epitaph.
it seems like the handedness of the shooter
and the culturally-influenced nature of someone’s shooting side is even more interesting than the handedness of the goalie!
I apologize
Sorry gmh, my post was off topic. Your information was stunning and it was a good read. It just got me thinking and went off on a tangent slightly. Just more cool hockey idiosyncrasies.
GMH, you changed my life forever...
I now know I am a RCG… (or was, anyway)
As for being a lefty, I do recall a 4th grade teacher giving me a hard time due to my inability to operate right handed scissors!
I was probably 20 when I learned of the miracle of left handed scissors!
Great post! Thank you!
"My name is Byfuglie33, and I am a RCG..."
I actually am incapable of using left-handed scissors even though I cut left-handed.
I’m glad I could inspire your personal revelation.
I also write left handed,
and my teachers tried to force me to write right handed. I started writing words backwards with my right hand, and correctly with my left, alternating on every other line. Once I started that the teachers gave up and left me alone. As it turned out, this set a horrible precedent for my later schooling.
I have said it before, and I will say it again, I truly am sorry Mrs. G. a student should never make a teacher run from the room crying.
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by burpchelischili on Apr 11, 2010 11:56 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
It was horrid back then
To this day I can’t use left handed scissors, I get confused about which hand I use for different things, and this is really weird, I can only mouse right handed at home (used to share one computer with righties) and left at work.
But it’s not bad making a teacher cry.
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The sun never sets on a badass
If a teacher is shitting on you for being left-handed...
Let me put it this way… it’s like making Luongo cry…
"My name is Byfuglie33, and I am a RCG..."
Nah,
Mrs G was my Frosh English teacher, and after spending half the year correcting her spelling on spelling tests, and her pronunciation on Shakespeare. It was noticed that she was wearing a wig, I made a classless comment about a possible reason why she needed a wig. The principle told me later, after I sat in his office for an hour of so, that it was because of Chemo…
The apology was 3 pages, single spaced, and extremely sincere. ( It was an EPIC whipping from my dad. The marks from the whipping were still visible when I turned the paper in.)
25 years later, she says that I was the absolute worst student she ever had, and that she was just like me when she went to school.
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by burpchelischili on Apr 13, 2010 7:03 AM CDT up reply actions
So far,
but I do go back and see the old school every year. Mostly just to laugh at all the rednecks that said I would never do anything.
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by burpchelischili on Apr 13, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Hah!
You are talking to the new Service manager of R D McMillen Enterprises!
The company fixes Dishwashing machines and Industrial Laundry machines. I will be in Chicago next month on the second Tuesday. So I hope to be able to meet someone then.
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by burpchelischili on Apr 13, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
congrats on the job!
maybe we can have a mini-meet up if there’s a game.
by Katherine215 on Apr 13, 2010 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks,
I am hoping we can.
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by burpchelischili on Apr 13, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks,
Like every other job I’ve gotten, I got it through a friend.
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by burpchelischili on Apr 13, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Dad was...
different. He was a vice pres of a company and was in charge of 350 women. He still made the choice to go to work 18-20 hours a day rather than spend time with the 10 of us and mom. I don’t say that I blame him, at all, especially with mom there… Other than that… he was a true blue dyed in the wool redneck from the mountains of Oklahoma. So yeah, he could beat down a kid with the best of them. :-P
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by burpchelischili on Apr 13, 2010 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
"10 of us"
as in, you have 9 brothers and sisters?
by Katherine215 on Apr 13, 2010 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, and No, uhhh...
Mom took foster kids, and ended up adopting 7 of them. She had Three of us and I am not only the middle kid, but I am also the omly lefty in the group. (See what I did there? now the thread is legal! LOL)
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by burpchelischili on Apr 13, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
You got linked by Yahoo WTG
"SQUIRREL"
Get off my Land!
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 12, 2010 4:29 PM CDT reply actions
And you started a support group for left handed people...
We need a t-shirt slogan…
"My name is Byfuglie33, and I am a RCG..."
How about
“I’m lefty, you’re wrong”
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 12, 2010 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I like it!
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by burpchelischili on Apr 13, 2010 7:04 AM CDT up reply actions
It Pinky and the gmh!
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by burpchelischili on Apr 13, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Question concerning Hiller's glove
Do you think he keeps vaseline in that thing?
(170 g) * (3x10^8 m/s)^2 = 1.5x10^16 J
by meeshak on Apr 12, 2010 4:57 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

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