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NHL Concussion Policy/Kim Johnsson Hate

Looking at the NHL concussion policy, I of course started wondering about Kim Johnsson.  Whether or not he has a career after this season is becoming questionable and there are rumors abound about him.  So here are a few things about the concussion rule and then some hate directed towards Kim Johnsson (not by me though).

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According to everyone, the NHL is the best at regulating and assessing concussions.  Preventing them, obviously that has been up for debate recently with the slew of head shots we've recently seen.

Currently, the NHL has players do a baseline test during training camp.  Pretty much this is measuring each player's personal "normal" brain levels.  Obviously, Toews would have different brain activity than say...EAGER (Thanks to CNS for that one.  Still continues to crack me up.)

If a player receives a concussion there are normally a few symptoms that are recognizable.  Unless you are Ben Eager.  He got a concussion this year over in Helsinki, but no one noticed till after the flight home (a concussion no-no).  In defense of Hawk doctors and staff, there was no 'defining' hit that was noticeable as concussion causing and it was Ben Eager.  Anyways, when the physical symptoms disappear, the player must take similar tests.  Most are memory and motor related.  In some cases, an EEG or brain scan is given to see if the activity in the brain is also normal.  In the NHL, a player must have a doctor sign off on ALL of the tests.  A player can be free of the headaches, nausea, or light sensitivity, but not be cleared to play since his test results are not matching up with what the player had at the beginning of the year for their 'baseline' test.  They have become much more stringent about these tests when dealing with people with a history of head injuries.  Especially since Boston University conducted a few tests on a brain from a former NFL player after he passed away. 

Now over to Johnsson.  He has had a history of concussions.  Including one instance where he came back too early from one and left in the middle of a game.  In 2005-2006, with the Flyers, he had a "head injury,"  it was diagnosed as a concussion a few days later.  He missed three games and came back.  It was during that game he came back that he experienced dizzyness while on the ice.  He was not seen for the rest of that season, 31 games.  He then missed each game (6 total) of the playoffs the Flyers had against the Sabres.  (That was the series Brian Campbell killed R.J. Umburger by the way.)  Off to Minnesota he went then.  He was pretty concussion free, until the playoffs in 2007.  He missed the elimination game.  It was called a "head injury."  What happened to him with the Flyers is eeriely similar to what seems has happened to him this year.  Then I went to check his wikipedia page, since Dirt recently plugged wikipedia.  Here's a highlighted portion from Johnsson's page.

On February 12, 2010, Johnsson and Nick Leddy were traded to the Chicago Blackhawks for Cam Barker. He then decided he no longer wished to play for The Blackhawks. There was no injury, but he just stopped playing in March 2010. In Chicago, he is believed to be dead. He will surely be traded to another team, because he played for like one month before quitting, and has done nothing for The Chicago Blackhawks.

Here is his page, but who knows when that will get changed/updated/validated.

I lean towards this being an actual concussion.  Concussions don't happen from bone-jarring hits all the time.  Like Eager, he may have just caught one to the head, not even really noticing anything till later.  If he 'quit' the Hawks, the media would be all over that, they would have loved to jump on it and start questioning the chemistry/composure of the Hawks' locker room and then turned it into a conversation about Jay Cutler being a bad quarterback because he gives shitty interviews to them and has a bad locker room presence.  There's no way the Hawks could convince the writers in this town to bury something like that.  There'd be missing beat writers or something.  Even with Johnsson out, he still serves some purpose, freeing up cap after the year is over.  Cannot fault the Hawks for sending Barker away for him.  Plus, that deal wasn't just Johnsson, maybe Nick Leddy will turn into an NHL hockey player in a few years.

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I love Wikipedia

but I think that quote is some bad info. Johnsson won’t be traded. He’s an UFA after this year. If the person saying he quit playing doesn’t even know he’s an UFA, I have to doubt their credibility when it comes to the quitting part.

by Katherine215 on May 15, 2010 6:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah that was obviously fake. The writing was even 14 yr old bad

but it’s still on Wikipedia.

So how did you come up with all this info regarding the concussion testing and Johnsson’s history? I’m very impressed and the thoroughness.

I love and hate that hit from Campbell on Umburger. There’s nothing like a good hit in hockey. That being said, I hate seeing guys get laid out like that, no matter who they play for. That look on Unburgers face is awful to witness. I am quite positve that one day a player in the NHL with die on the ice from one of these hits.

On the flip side, it’s nice to remember that Campbell does have a physical side and the call from the announcers is one of the greatest reactions ever.

Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.

by ChicagoNativeSon on May 16, 2010 12:25 AM CDT reply actions  

That was a terrible break-out pass to Umberger.

(170 g) * (3x10^8 m/s)^2 = 1.5x10^16 J

by meeshak on May 16, 2010 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Concussion policy

It was a brute force internet search. That data did not come from wikipedia. haha Below are a few links to articles I used. It was actually pretty hard to find these, for me, maybe someone else would of had the golden touch of searches so to speak. I thought this was a real positive policy the NHL has and they should be screaming/bragging about it every which way possible to promote the league.

Concussion Prevention – Minnesota Wild Website
http://wild.nhl.com/club/page.htm?bcid=21066

ESPN – Peter Keating – This one is real good. Very interesting read.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3656016

Messier on Concussions – This one is a longer. Highlighting it, Messier talks about new technology trying to be used and endorsed by the NHL for the helmets. There is a little blurb how Princeton University’s hockey team does the testing procedures, something becoming more and more popular.
http://www.metrowny.com/blogs/archives/264-NHL-Great-Mark-Messier-takes-on-the-concussion-issue-75b0xw00d.html

I should have saved this sites. There was a good one about Eric Lindros. Guy had 8 concussions in his career. That one talked about ‘steady’ or ‘relaxed’ alpha brain waves during an EEG.

by RonBarr on May 16, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Campbell will surprise you.

Its not that just one time he’s taken runs at people. Notice though, these are both in the offensive zone. I doubt he’s blowing guys up behind the net in the defensive zone too much.

Campbell hits PJ Axelsson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3_ymdZEfTo

by RonBarr on May 16, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Regarding concussions...

We all know the NHL is taking steps, we all know about the “wheel of justice”, etc…

But I am surprised that I never see any conversation about better helmets. The game has clearly changed, and the helmets must change with it.

Try Googling the Messier Project

"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."

by Byfuglie33 on May 16, 2010 8:13 AM CDT reply actions  

Messier Project

It is pretty cool. Messier says it has a lot to do with coaching as well. Not just the helmets. He thinks players know less about HOW to hit and HOW to take a hit.

by RonBarr on May 16, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Helmet technology has improved greatly in the last 15 years

the teaching of hitting and getting hit safely has deteriorated much worse and faster than helmet tech has improved

Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on May 17, 2010 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Would a better helmet even make a difference

in some of these cases? I thought a concussion also occurred when the brain abruptly shifts forward and backward in the skull. So can the damage that results from a sharp change in direction be prevented by helmets?

by Katherine215 on May 17, 2010 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Concussions just can't be entirely eliminated, but the helmet can make a big difference

in avoiding them or decreasing their severity

Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on May 18, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

The more concussions you have, the easier it is to get the next concussion

This could explain why nobody really remembers the hit that put Johnsson out. It may not have been much. A guy who has had as many head injuries as him most likely doesn’t need the punishing hit that Toews took earlier this year.

I’d much, much rather have Kim Johnsson at home trying to see straight instead of him trying to play hockey when his life is at stake. Hockey just isn’t that important.

www.zekeishungry.com

by thejd44 on May 16, 2010 10:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Other thoughts

Rumor has it that he was asked to leave the team because of some off ice activity he was involved in. Although he may have had a concussion, has anyone seen him at any of the games? When other players are scratches they can usually be found at the games right? Furthermore, there are usually updates as to their status and any progress. Maybe I’m crazy but I think the Hawks asked him to just pack up and get the fuck out. Who knows, maybe he really is hurt. Doesn’t anyone else think that there may be more to the story than a concussion?

by awayne87 on May 16, 2010 6:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Marc Savard

he didn’t show up at a game until right before made his return. Severe concussion symptoms are such that a sufferer is pretty much confined in activity: dark rooms, climbing stairs can cause nausea and fatigue. Johnsson’s absence at games doesn’t point to anything other than a severe concussion.

You’re just crazy. :)

(170 g) * (3x10^8 m/s)^2 = 1.5x10^16 J

by meeshak on May 16, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I won't say you're wrong, but if the concussion is really severe, I certainly wouldn't expect him to travel with the team

It’s possible he was sent home to wherever he calls home.

Still, it’s strange that the Hawks aren’t ever talking about him and no reporters are asking about him.

www.zekeishungry.com

by thejd44 on May 16, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

ESPN's Jesse Rogers

mentioned the speculation on his blog and basically said there was no truth to it. Also, I think Adam Jahns of the suntimes said he was out until further notice at one point, and that basically, if he wakes up one day symptom free, he’d be back.

There’s really just nothing to talk about, I think. Also @NHLBlackhawks still mentions he’s a scratch every game.

by Katherine215 on May 16, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

My older son had a concussion last season

He was bumped behind the net and fell. His head hit the boards and then the ice very quickly. He has a good Bauer helmet and it didn’t look like any big deal. He laid there on the ice for a few minutes. On our team, the head coach always goes out on the ice for the injuries. My son skated off after a few minutes, and he was never unconscious. When he got to the bench, he looked confused. I asked him if he knew what was happening and his response was “NO”. I asked him if he knew where he was and his response was "NO. After a couple more minutes he just started crying (actually more like tearing up). I asked what was wrong and said he was afraid I would not let him go back in and play. I let him miss the next couple shifts. All the while I was talking to him it was like I was talking to a stuffed animal. No lights were on. I called it. Told the coach my kid was done. In the locker room, he was very slow and had trouble with his balance. A couple of the other parents are doctors so they came in to see what was wrong. They advised that if his condition did not improve w/in an hour or so to take him to the hospital. My wife took him directly to an Urgent Care facility (no waiting for symptoms to go away for her). They said no concussion “minor head injury”. Next day I took him to his doctor as advised by Urgent Care. Our doctor said "Call it whatever you want, he had a head injury. "No physical activity (sledding, shoveling, running, gym, etc) 7-10 days after symptom free. If he has a second concussion during the season his season is over, and if he sustains 3 in one year brain damage will likely occur. his symptoms went away w/in 2 hours of the play and we did the 10 days, and he has been fine since.

It was obvious in my sons face, eyes, locomotion, and demeanor that something was not right. It happened to another coaches kid, and he recovered w/in minutes. I said leave him out, but his Dad let him play. His Dad is a dumbshit. I asked my doctor what helmet would have prevented this, and he said maybe a race car helmet, but the way his head went from one direction to the next, he was going to have a head injury regardless of what hockey helmet he was wearing.

What I’m driving at is that it should have been obvious with Eager that he had a problem in Helsinki. It most likely was with Johnson as it was with Lilja from Detroit. It is nothing to mess around with. I would rather Kim Johnson doesn’t play, then see him carted off because he came back too soon.

Chewing gum?

"Alex didn't cause Campbell's injury, the boards did."

by laaarmer on May 17, 2010 1:48 PM CDT reply actions  

He's laaarmer's son.

How OK can he be?

(170 g) * (3x10^8 m/s)^2 = 1.5x10^16 J

by meeshak on May 18, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is true as well.

12 YO boys act like they have brain injuries all the time and mine got some of his chromosomes from me, so his chances of inventing the next computer chip are slim.

I hope I never see this again, but I know I will as long as my boys play hockey.

I’m ready to tell my 10 yo to start wearing a mouth guard when he plays soccer and not for his teeth. I noticed Wayne Rooney was wearing one the other day.

Chewing gum?

"Alex didn't cause Campbell's injury, the boards did."

by laaarmer on May 18, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

"A wonderful book about housecats and their hobbies"

“Mr. Malone, tell us about your book”

/mouthguard

by VerStig on May 18, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't understand what you are saying

Please provide some statistics and/or a chart to show me the meaning of you comment.

Yes I said mouth guard. Is that a problem for you now?

Chewing gum?

"Alex didn't cause Campbell's injury, the boards did."

by laaarmer on May 18, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

a mouthguard trick that you may find useful

Since the guards provide essentially no tooth protection and the kids wear a cage anyway -

                  try wearing the mouthguard on the bottom teeth instead of the top teeth (and get a good one).

It gives the same anti-concussion protection, but allows for much clearer speaking.

Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on May 18, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I get the dentist made mouth guards now

They cannot take them out unless they take the helmet off. The guard locks on the top teeth. No, you cannot understand much and they cannot talk much to each other, which is another problem with youth hockey players. At least they aren’t chewing the things though.

The refs get pissed about my kids guards because they are clear.

Chewing gum?

"Alex didn't cause Campbell's injury, the boards did."

by laaarmer on May 18, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Way back when...

In the early to mid 70’s I had a helmet made by Johnson with an air bladder that you blew up to fit more snugly. It seemed like a good idea but I don’t think it caught on. We also didn’t have cages back then, just a mouth guard held tightly in place by a chin strap. (Your comment about not understanding the kids reminded me of that.) You couldn’t move your jaw to speak with that thing in place but I never lost a tooth. (broke one but that’s another story, kids.)

by Badgerdano on May 18, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had the dentist make the guards, just fit to the bottom teeth instead - it worked wonders for articulation

I had one of the Johnson air helmets. I think they failed to catch on becuse they were so hot (the ventilation/heat build up in them was terrible).

Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on May 18, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now I understand

The sun never sets on a badass

by Trixietrx on May 18, 2010 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

We were the same.

Especially in football. “suck it up” There is some merit to this mentality. It teaches kids that sometimes things will go wrong in life, but you have to keep going. Suck it up as they say.

When you don’t know what is happening around you because your brain is injured, that is not a “suck it up” time.

Chewing gum?

"Alex didn't cause Campbell's injury, the boards did."

by laaarmer on May 18, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

granted, a lot of my teammates were pretty spacey at their best

but we were still in the “when you weren’t still seeing double, you were ready to go back in” mode, which couldn’t have helped much (and in high school when the drug and alcohol abuse kicked in, what hope was their?).

Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on May 18, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wikipedia page changed

Haha, just a few days. I assume a disgruntled Hawk fan put that original (garbage in my opinion), but finally it is down. Oh hey, if Johnsson leaves, and he will, I will punch whomever boos him if he returns with another team (like Campbell for SJ).

by RonBarr on May 18, 2010 5:13 PM CDT reply actions  

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