An Inch Above Sand - Hawks 2, Sharks 1 (Hawks lead series 1-0)
by McClure on May 16, 2010 10:10 PM CDT
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So to try to describe the back and forth of the entirety of the game would give us all undue heartburn and night terrors, so here's the cliff notes version - both teams trade chances in the first, Hawks take too many penalties, Sharks convert on a shot with eyes from Jason Demers, team trade even more chances, Sharp buries one on a rush, Niemi makes key saves, Hawks take control of the play in the third, Buff pounds one home off a draw, Niemi hangs tough. Just how they planned it right? Right.
Observations
- Once again, Antti Niemi answered even more questions regarding his playoff readiness. After allowing a deflected shot on the power play from Jason Demers that it could have been argued that he should have had, he was an absolute rock in the crease, making numerous key saves, none bigger than a diving save on the ice sweeping the puck away with his left arm to save a goal.
- The second period was quite possibly the best period played in the league the entire season by any two teams. Chances left and right with key saves, excellent passing, and physicality. 31 of 32 shots were stopped by both goalies. Six more games of this may very well send us all to Arkham Asylum, even though it was entertaining as shit.
- Duncan Keith finally looked like a Norris trophy finalist after April. He was everywhere, controlling pucks in the defensive zone, keying the play ahead, and logging big minutes in all situations. He finished with 27 minutes played, an assist on Sharp's goal, a +2, and four shots on net.
- If the fourth line can continue with what we saw this afternoon, the Hawks will put themselves in a very good position as the series wears on. Because San Jose really only rolls 3 lines, if the fourth for the Hawks can be physically disruptive and keep it 200 feet away from Niemi, that will keep the other forwards that much fresher. Ben Eager in particular was a physical force, playing with the speed and the edge that's necessary for him to be a factor.
- As far as team speed is concerned, by and large for the entire game, the Hawks seemed like the faster team when it came to closing on loose pucks, rebounds, and generally all of the 50/50 plays.
- Newly minted playoff legend Joe Thornton was -2 with one shot on goal. Just sayin'.
- Coach Q shockingly didn't seem overly concerned with matching his forward lines, as the Sharks big line of Thornton, Dany Heatley, and Patrick Marleau saw time against all of the Hawks top three lines. However, Keith and Seabrook were out there for the vast majority of their shifts.
- While there was a lot to like this afternoon, I would have liked to have seen more bodies toward Nabokov's net. A few more sticks and bodies in shooting lanes, even if the shots are coming from the outside, would have been far more preferable as well. The Hawks will not survive this series allowing 45 shots a game, or anywhere close to that.
- Thanks once again to Mike, Steve, and Dino the bartender at the Bottom Lounge for having us for the game.
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I'm hoping Niemi can be something a little more than just "ephemeral."
Uh, that’s all I got for now.
helluva game
if this shit keeps up, im not long for this world…I should also lay off the drugs
Hossa's Attorney says:
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unfortunately catnip
doesnt do it for humans (if it did Id be rolling that shit into philly titans all damn day)….big fan of the vicodin or however the fuck you say it though, apparently there is a reason why they say you shouldnt take it with alcohol
Hossa's Attorney says:
TAKE OFF THOSE CLOWN SHOES OR I WILL SHOOT THIS DOG!
by BigCSouthside on May 16, 2010 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
It's looks like I picked the wrong week to give up sniffing glue.
I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.
by Preacher000 on May 16, 2010 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
it looks like Eager took up sniffing glue
instead of eating it
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
by stacie7 on May 16, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
or taking his flintstones vitamins
Hossa's Attorney says:
TAKE OFF THOSE CLOWN SHOES OR I WILL SHOOT THIS DOG!
by BigCSouthside on May 16, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Carbona not glue
They brought their fuckin' TOYS with 'em!
by ZootSuitZombie on May 16, 2010 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought Madden got caught flat footed a few times ...
Maybe the long season is finally catching up to him? Of the Hawks’ penalty killers he’s the one I have the least confidence in.
by Billy Charlesbois on May 16, 2010 10:20 PM CDT reply actions
hawks
Unfortunately, I was unable to devote full attention to the game.
I may be wrong in my observations but:
It seems 5 on 5, Hawks controlled the pressure. Sharks had some good pressure 5 on 4 but were only able to put only one past the Finn. The other Fins will be in trouble next game, as the Hawks will get opportunities on the PP. I see Hawks up two coming home, and then blowing one of those games but winning in five.
I may be too fucked up for this
but it was a solid, dominating effort for 45 minutes from the men of four feathers tonight, but we got goddamn lucky. 5 penalties cannot happen again, and the boys need to defend their zone like its fucking Sparta. They need to dictate the pace fo the game, if they can do that, then they are in their zone
Hossa's Attorney says:
TAKE OFF THOSE CLOWN SHOES OR I WILL SHOOT THIS DOG!
by BigCSouthside on May 16, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah that SBN Sharks blog has a typo in their name
Should be Fear the Finn!
Sorry, couldn’t resist.
by VerStig on May 16, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
ziiiing
Hossa's Attorney says:
TAKE OFF THOSE CLOWN SHOES OR I WILL SHOOT THIS DOG!
by BigCSouthside on May 16, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotta love that!
How ’bout dem Finns?
Mikka, Pekka, Tukka, Antti…
Damn, any Finnish goalies named Shemp?
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
i'm pretty sure goalies
are Finland’s top export right now.
That, and a shitload of amazing snowboarders.
by puppetmasterp on May 17, 2010 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions
your confidence is nice
but I fear this will be a much tougher road. I’d love to see the traditional Shark-fold-in-the-playoffs, but certainly am not going to count on it.
The Sharks controled the play a lot – we were fortunate to get out with tha win. We ought not get cocky or complacent.
Confusion will be my epitaph.
by krome on May 17, 2010 9:06 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Tuesday will be tough
I hope the Hawks come out with the confidence but keep the intensity. Don’t get slow. Need to keep the pace of the first. They will come out desperate because they dont want to lose 2 at home.
The Sharks will throw everything at us in the first 5 minutes
Weather the storm.
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
I wouldn't mind that either, but based on Verstig's comments...
About their top two lines getting heavy minutes, run ’em in the first, and go to the whip in the third.
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
I was thinking the same thing
but part of me wonders how close game 1 was to SJ’s best punch. This was a much better team than the Hawks saw in four meetings this year.
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by cliffkoroll on May 17, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I feel the same way
They probably won’t match the 45 SOG, 5-0 in PPs, 57% at the dot, and they played extremely uptempo. I doubt any of these will/can continue except for the FO%. I also feel the pace was their biggest downfall. An indication of this was the 20 to 5 difference in turnovers. When you are forced to play at a faster pace, mistakes are often made. Surprisingly SJ seems more than willing to play a style that favors the Hawks.
The Sharks must also be reeling from the fact that they got completely out-muscled by the Hawks – which was supposed to THEIR GAME. The fact that Chicago had 32 hits to their 30 should be alarming, but the QUALITY of those hits was also dominated by the Hawks. Kudos to Eager, Buff, Seabs, Hammer and Hossa for some of those. I believe Brouwer had 7, but he still didn’t appear to be very physical IMO.
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on May 17, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
They didn't just get outmuscled in the hits department
for most of the third until after the Hawks scored and the Sharks were desperate, the Sharks weren’t able to knock the Hawks off the puck. For all the size of the Sharks, for the Hawks to control the play not with quick puck movement, but by winning board battle after board battle was pleasantly surprising.
Also, on pace, I agree that the Sharks don’t necessarily want that fast a game, but are they really capable of slowing it down? They appear to be a good transition team and if the Hawks give them the puck, aren’t they going the other way at full speed? I get the sense that these teams are in for a track meet whether they like it or not.
On your last point
that’s why I feel this was SJ’s best effort. I’m not saying they can’t win a game with a lesser effort, but I would argue that a lot went their way and they threw everything they could at us – and still lost another close game to the Hawks.
SJ is a good transition team and I don’t think they can slow it down too much. That being said, the Hawks are the best transition team in the league IMO and if you are SJ and have no other options, you’re screwed. Unless SJ can out-muscle the Hawks going forward, they’ve entered a track meet against a much faster opponent.
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on May 17, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe a lot went their way, but a lot went ours too
Scott13 put it best:
I’m sure not every Sharks shot was high percentage but they certainly seemed to have a lot of shots where I said "holy shit how did that not go in"
I agree the game could have been 6-5 Hawks or even 6-2 Sharks
but I don’t think they’ll see that many scoring chances again. Can they score 4 or 5 in a game against us? Sure. But I don’t think we’ll see a repeat of that barrage from game 1. If they want to play at that pace, I also don’t think we’ll only see 2 goals from Chicago though.
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on May 17, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
The refs were just giving us another game
to be able to compile more pictures so we have them on hand.
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by deathmonkey on May 16, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Three lines? How about two?
Actually, it’s funny we say this, because none of the Sharks had less ice time than Burish and Eager, and Madden only had as much as he did because of all that PK time.
But, remember the Sharks are going with 11 forwards, and out of their bottom 5, only Malhotra got significantly more than 10 minutes (Mitchell got 10:01). As Powerfwd37 was saying in the GDT, having their top 6 play defenseman-like minutes is going to kill them… if they don’t adjust, it hurts them later in games, and perhaps later in the series.
Also, I really dug the performance our 3rd D pairing put out today. Aside from Catfish’s usual puck magnetism (and that huge save!), there was Hendry channeling his inner Bobby Orr (as per gmh), and I thought they were pretty responsible in their own end with some solid board work. Sopes also got double shifted a lot (Soupy only had 17 minutes? weird), and while he did have some hiccups I thought it was good work from the back end there.
Not to take away from Marlboro 72 or anything. Great to see they’ve mended their relationship!
oops
I independently made the same point after yours but before I read ithis. No disrespect intended.
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Hendry
My 14 year old daughter wanted to know who that was carrying the puck up the ice. She couldn’t believe that was Hendry either.
Everytime...
Hendry touches the puck I can’t help but scream Get off the fucking ice Hendry!…. Except for his end to end.. I was screaming Go hendry go! (in my head of course. I would never encourage him to touch the puck out loud ;0 )
I didn't get to see the third period.
What were the shots on goal?
From what I did see it looked like the Hawks were the better team, with more puck possession when it was even strength. The penalties absolutely killed our momentum a couple times. (And it would have been nice to see more shorthanded scoring attempts—not to be greedy or anything!)
This game could have been 8-7 or 6-0 if the goalies aren’t freakish. I thought Niemi looked better than Nabby, though only because the Sharks had the better scoring chances. The Hawks need to do a better job of limiting those.
How did Hossa play? What about Brouwer? Watching the feed for a period and a half, it was kind of hard to see all the extra stuff.
I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.
third period sog
CHI 18—14 SJS (12 EV, 2 PP). The pace was pretty frenetic in the final frame.
Brouwer had an assist on Sharp’s goal, and 7 hits. We rolled our three main lines pretty well, I’d say. They all played against HTML at some point and all held their own.
Thanks for the recap.
My evening sessions as this conference went well. Lots of laughing. But I just kept thinking about the Hawks. I was afraid to come back and check the score.
I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.
by Preacher000 on May 16, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
This is the man of the game:
"If you've only got one day to live, come see the Toronto Maple Leafs. It'll seem like forever." - Pat Foley
Section 324: We're on the list.
a broken link?
confused
Hossa's Attorney says:
TAKE OFF THOSE CLOWN SHOES OR I WILL SHOOT THIS DOG!
by BigCSouthside on May 16, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Is it showing up broken?
On my screen I have a picture of Niemi.
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by deathmonkey on May 16, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Something fucked up, see if this one works.
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by deathmonkey on May 16, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Niemay... spelled backwards is... IMIEN!
by VerStig on May 16, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you say his name three times
like Beetlejuice, does he suddenly appear?
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by deathmonkey on May 16, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
bingo
the pelican has landed
Hossa's Attorney says:
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by BigCSouthside on May 16, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
That is one classy photo-shoot.
This next goalie asked me not to read this, but Goddammit, I’m going to read it anyway, because I wrote it, and it’s the truth-
I. FUCKING. LOVE. THIS. PICTURE. IT IS THE BEST PICTURE EVER.
PERIOD.
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
This picture
makes me realize how happy I am that US sports (except for NASCAR) don’t do what many European sports do in selling advertisement space on the jerseys/sweaters themselves.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
it's coming
Major League Soccer is doing it. Hell, they even have a TEAM named after a product (Red Bulls). I say we roll with it. Perhaps the Scum can be sponsored by Dow Bathroom Cleaner?
by Coachtrenks on May 17, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Soccer almost feels like an exception...
…since all club teams have had advertisements on their jerseys for about as long as I can remember.
On the other hand, didn’t the NFL just approve advertisements for their practice jerseys? Next step, game jerseys
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KANE is unbelievable
nobody opens up the ice like him. Buff’s goal was just as much his. I’m so glad we have him for 5 more years.
1961 is a long time ago.
It's like magic
It’s awesome watching Toews and Hossa control the puck out there… but it’s almost like Kaner has a personal force field around him and the puck because of how much opposing teams have to respect his stickhandling/passing/shooting threat.
He was a beast today
on the backcheck. He’s been doing it all year, but I’m glad to see that even this late in the season, he realizes how important it is that he does that. I drool with anticipation for the coming years when he finally fills out to see what he’ll be able to do.
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by deathmonkey on May 16, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
The improvement of Kane's backcheck
is one of those sweet dividends of signing dat Horsa guy.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
Yes
“Personal Force Field”
This is the best description Ive ever heard for Kane. Hossa has the same technology.
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
by HjammerTime on May 17, 2010 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
He is stronger this year too,
and seems to be able to win a few board battles now. I still don’t know why teams give him the room they do, especially on the powerplay (if we ever get one again, you’ll see how he can stand there at the half wall for several seconds with no one going after him). The Scum used to attack him when he had the puck, but no one else seems to do that.
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by Preacher000 on May 16, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I was wondering this too
Kane isn’t the biggest guy out there. I’ve always been curious why opponents don’t put a body on him so he can’t linger with the puck along the boards like he does. Is it as simple as his puck handling/passing/shooting skills as VerStig mentions?
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the answer is rather simple
they are waiting for Kane to make the first move, which is what you should do when you are defending against someone you know is faster than you. It may look like they’re letting him linger along the boards, but the alternative you suggest (putting a body on him) requires you to commit to a direction.. and the milisecond you do that, Kane is gone in the opposite direction. And if someone moves in to take one of those escape directions away, the typical price for doing that is leaving the near point open and unguarded.. and Kane has the most accurate pass placement of anyone in the game today. This is one of the joys of watching #88 do what he does best, which is make bigger, stronger players look flat-footed and foolish. You can’t pronounce dilemma without saying “duh”
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by Gate3anuhHalf on May 17, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Thank you for
the explanation. I am still learning the intricacies and strategies.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
oh thanks
I’d always wondered that myself. Good to know it has to do with Kaner’s speed and puckhandling.
I got a block of wood to carry around, it soothes my superstitious soul. If the knocking doesn't help I can just beat myself over the head with it until I don't care anymore.
it's entirely possible this isn't sarcasm
actually, you could pronounce it "de-lem-muh" instead of "duh-lem-muh"...
just teasing. ;)
That’s interesting, I never really considered that – I think it goes to show just how fast hockey is and how quickly these athletes make decisions. I remember someone once asking Hossa why he decided to shoot in a certain area on a SH goal, and I swear, his explanation was a minute long. Then you realize he did all that thinking in a span of 5 seconds and it’s like…wow.
As an old D guy, I learned that letting the forward make the first move is fatal
the real trick is forcing him to choose the move you want him to make
Confusion will be my epitaph.
the D should also be playing the F as much as the reverse
but deking a feinting, the D can get the F to choose the move the D wants him to take – just like the joisting action between goalie and forward on teh shoot out.
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Yep
My natural postion (so I always thought) was forward but in HS they move me to D (most of the time) because of my size. I enjoyed them both. .
that's true
when you are defending against forwards as they gain the blueline.. not so much when defending them after they’ve set up with their back to the boards and a full view of the zone. make the first move then and you’re burned.
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by Gate3anuhHalf on Jun 2, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
And I swear I saw him
lift a couple sticks and create some turnovers. I love when he’s pissed off.
by Katherine215 on May 16, 2010 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I have an issue..
With Kane though, I feel that even someone like me could defend him. Every single time he gets played to the outside he finds himself stick handling to the point. From there he does the same 2 things over and over again. He either does a sloppy behind the back pass or brings it straight along the blue line. And every time these playoffs that I can remember that he took it along hte blue line, he has stick handled himself into submission, either into the defender or just out of the zone on his own accord.
He needs to move the puck quicker/sooner either back down low or across to the other point because right now all they need to do is step up on him when he gets into this mode and hes done.
Thornton had some trouble with Kane
right before Buff scored, so maybe it’s not as easy as it looks.
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
LOL Yes, I don't think any of us could defend Kaner
even in our prime. But I do get what Dranearian is saying. He does often follow the same line off the boards. I just wish he’d skate toward the net more and shoot the damned puck! LOL
kane reminds me of ronaldinho circa 2006
he’s a brazilian soccer player, he probably had the best touch of any player in my lifetime. he could take the ball straight through a defense. what ended up happening was the entire defense would collapse on him and hit would force a turn-over.
but he was still the most dangerous player in the world that season because occasionally a defender would make a mistake.
(170 g) * (3x10^8 m/s)^2 = 1.5x10^16 J
good analogy.
also, ronaldhino had an addiction to strippers with big boobs. whereas kane…..
by puppetmasterp on May 17, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
better than the Brazilian Ronaldo
who had an addiction to hookers with penises, not that there’s anything wrong with that.
by EamusCatuli23 on May 17, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
It...
wasn’t a literal, I could defend against him.. But a more of… If hes going to do the same thing every single time he doesn’t get inside space, it should theoretically not be hard to defend against. The problem is just the same thing over and over. He would become so much more of a threat if he didn’t react the same way every time. Granted… when he gets the inside lane he doesn’t do the same thing.. But once you take that inside lane away, you could almost cheat to the center-point as the defending offwinger because like I said, more often than not he tries to stickhandle his way across the blue line.
I mean shit, obviously kane would just skate around me when I fell on my ass since I am not a great skater.. :p
you can defend against him
9 out of 10 times, but you can defend against anyone 9 times. kane’s going to have offensive zone possession probably 20 times a game. maybe more, especially if there are power plays. if you have a problem with kane, you’re not paying attention.
(170 g) * (3x10^8 m/s)^2 = 1.5x10^16 J
From Fear the Fin
Surprisingly, it was the defense in front of Niemi that was porous, as many of the shots allowed were from good scoring areas.
Ehhh.. not really. Sure they got alot of shots on him and had some good chances but they can keep crashing the net… the Sharks can score from the perimeter and that was shut down
Agreed
A lotta talk about the pressure from Clowe/Seto/Pavelski, and Clowe did have a glorious opportunity, but I thought these guys settled for low-percentage shots a lot.
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Sharks postgame
I know we don’t normally listen to anything from Hockeybuzz, but this postgame podcast really isn’t too bad if you want to listen to it.
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- Rodney Dangerfield
Sharks fans continuing to underestimate Niemi..
Granted, he was totally on point today, but if they are counting on him being the weak link then they are going to have some problems.
The guy has played well for a majority of the tournament…
Really looking forward to seeing the adjustment Q makes on Tuesday…
they are still underestimating him
they feel that he will become a sieve that they can exploit in the coming games
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
yeah and its a sign of idiocy
As long as he continues to cover up his rebounds and our D continues to stand strong in front of the net then we should be fine. We can transition better then they can and that is one way to exploit it
what's wrong if they keep thinking that?
i’m all for it.
by puppetmasterp on May 16, 2010 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Nothing wrong, it is just idiotic
They can keep thinking that all they want, however I’m sure the Sharks staff is not sitting waiting/counting on Niemi to “crack”…
Sharks fans seem to think they're going to run us out of the building like they did to the Avs
I couldn’t help but laugh at some of the comments they were posting over there. “I’d much rather lose 2-1 than 5-1.” “Their defense will break down.” “We’ll solve Niemi and put the pressure on him.” “I just rimmed Dany Heatley.” “Anyone who questions our mental toughness needs to watch our series against Colorado.”
I know it’s greedy, but I really won’t be satisfied unless we’re walking out of HP on Tuesday night with a 2-0 lead. And what a wonderful time for Duncan Keith to go into “I am taking this puck from you whether you like it or not” mode.
Duncan Keith = 2010 Norris Trophy Winner
Lotta Niemi/Anderson comparisons on FTF
The problem is: Anderson was the key to Colorado all year. Solve him, and the Avs are in trouble.
I’d like nothing more than for the Sharks to spend the next 37 hours focused on how to solve Niemi.
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very good point
Vancouver spent all that time trying to focus on Buff… how’d that work out for them?
That said, I don’t want to count on that kind of performance again… I think the game was scarier than all our feel-good recapping tells us, and even if the Sharks’ shots were largely low percentage (or just whiffing a lot), some of those will go in if we can’t find a way to limit those chances.
oh the game was definitely scarier
but i think we’re all also feeling exceedingly good that we finally won a game 1, and want to enjoy it. Come time for the puck to drop tomorrow, i don’t think anyone is going to being sitting there with anything but a swarm of butterflies in their stomach.
unless they smoked some excellent weed beforehand.
by puppetmasterp on May 17, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I was expecting to lose game 1 (again)
So yesterday was a nice surprise, and I was really zen through the whole thing, except maybe the last two minutes.
Yeah, that’s not going to happen again. I won’t be that calm ever again this series.
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
by shinkicker on May 17, 2010 10:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I was very much the same way
pretty calm throughout, and once the Hawks scored I was just yelling “now get it deep” (that’s what she … nevermind) and didn’t really lose my cool until they had to kill the penalty.
Also, once I saw Bolland on the ice I thought something was weird, but I didn’t realize the Hawks caught a break, I assumed that someone else was charged with an even worse infraction before they got Bolland on the trip. So then my mind was racing with all kinds of horrible things assuming the guy in the box was serving a major, and how things could really go bad, etc.
32 in box
I thought perhaps 36 got a 10 minute too. It didn’t make sense and then there he was on his own PK! LOL That is the first time I recall seeing THAT in a game.
And then when McGuire pointed it out
at that point the Hawks had just got away with a too many men call and I thought that’s what lucky break McGuire was about to point out. The puck came out of the Hawks zone and into the neutral zone and one of the Hawks on the bench stepped onto the ice, but the player he was planning to change for never came to the bench so he quickly jumped back up. That’s when McGuire jumped in and I thought he was going to call the Hawks out for too many men. We caught a few breaks in that final minute.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who was gearing up for a loss
And was beyond pleased to be wrong.
I got a block of wood to carry around, it soothes my superstitious soul. If the knocking doesn't help I can just beat myself over the head with it until I don't care anymore.
it's entirely possible this isn't sarcasm
Not me
I haven’t been posting much lately, but also didn’t want to be over-exuberant about my confidence in the Hawks this series for fear that the SCH internetz police might beat me down. I completely expect the Hawks to win in 5, at most 6.
I also feel that SJ is by far the best team we have or will play in the playoffs.
So at first my statement may seem contradictory, but I have been rooting for the favorites since the start of the playoffs. Why? Because as I have been stating for months, the Hawks play up and down to the level of their competition. Throw the stats out the window. I assure you the Hawks aren’t taking SJ lightly – and that will be SJ’s downfall.
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on May 17, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
You mean Norris trophy candidate Keith?
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on May 17, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
We were all worried
that, while Niemi was certainly good enough, he wasn’t going to be able to steal one for us.
But he just did. And that’s important for a few reasons (not the least of which is that it actually was a W).
I think Sharp had a great quote yesterday about Niemi, too:
"It’s funny, we keep talking about (Niemi) like he’s surprising people,‘’ Patrick Sharp said. "If you haven’t figured out he’s a great goaltender by now you’re not watching the games. He’s been rock-solid.’’
teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.
I'm sure not every Sharks shot was high percentage
but they certainly seemed to have a lot of shots where I said “holy shit how did that not go in”, so I don’t know that we should start adopting thise meme that the Sharks had low percentage shots. They had plenty of quality opportunities.
my comments here...
…pertained mostly to Pavelski’s line, which generated 18 shots. Heatley had two prime chances and Marleau at least one.
Gentlemen! I have invented...this thing!
by cliffkoroll on May 17, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
the game was scarier
but it was scarier for both teams. the sharks lost, but they only lost 2-1, and that scoreline really shows superb performances from two goalies.
(170 g) * (3x10^8 m/s)^2 = 1.5x10^16 J
One of the guys on FTF
Suggested that the Sharks take a look at video of Niemi and try to find his weakness and exploit it. Why is this man not coaching an NHL team I ask you?
by Ban on May 16, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I saw that and
I think its a very interesting concept… Perhaps they should call this sort of preparation “Watching Film”
Be nice
Considering the fact most Sharks fans still hate Belfour and Brian Campbell, they still haven’t figured out how this “free agency” thing works in hockey.
Most, mind you. I know a couple of fair minded Sharks fans that actually understand the game.
by Brandon Bibb on May 17, 2010 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions
the booing is going to drive me insane
they have DANY HEATLEY.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
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by chiblackhawks on May 17, 2010 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions
seriously
it gets old and for no good reason.
I mean Dany Heatly killed someone! Any else notice that it seems like Ladd might be getting under his skin a bit. 1st period they were jawing, pushing, shoving at least 4 times and that was in the 1st alone.
September 26, 2007 The day a Franchise was reborn.
I noticed it too
And it’s why VerBolladd is my new favorite line. All three can score (Versteeg was a monster yesterday), and all three are gritty and tough. Ladd was certainly in Heatley’s kitchen all day yesterday (or at least as close as you can get to Heatley’s kitchen while he’s wearing THE BIGGEST FUCKING VISOR EVER MADE!)
I’m not sure the Sharks have the answer for this line. I don’t see anyone on their team playing this gritty, annoying style of playoff hockey. Clowe is certainly gritty and tough, but he seemed to be off his game yesterday. He put himself out of position a handful of times while trying to make the big hit. I think we can exploit this grittiness advantage.
by HungryHungryPanda on May 17, 2010 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Clowe was pissy
after he was destroyed by a clean hit from Eager, at first glance i thought he was getting a boarding penalty for it. Eager was a machine yesterday, huge hits, great forechecking. Good to see the pressure from the 4th line
September 26, 2007 The day a Franchise was reborn.
Agreed
This is the most effective the 4th line has been in the playoffs. Fantastic game by Eager and Burish; not only were they physical, but they also had some prime scoring chances.
This is the most effective the 4th line has been in the playoffs
Yea, but if the Sharks aren’t going to put up a traditional fourth line then I want Kopecky playing with Eager and Madden instead of Burrish. I’d like another scoring line that will help tire out the Sharks three line attack…
Have been very happy with that 4th line all play-offs
….delievering hits, delievering verbal crap, delievering ocassional scoring chances while not acting like a typical 4th line
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
Oh man
When Eager snowed Nabokov and then threw up his hands and skated away all “I DIDNT TOUCH HIM. THAT WAS MY GOAL THERE, the STOPPING not that giant wave of ice I just sent at him.”
I about died laughing.
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
by shinkicker on May 17, 2010 10:19 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, for once Eager's play on the ice
backed up his antics.
Ben Eager in Bananaman: The Snowman Cometh!
Don’t ask…
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on May 17, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
VerBolladd has always been my favorite line
GTFO of my bandwagon!
(Not really. Please come join me. I need someone to help tally the times Versteeg dumps the puck or something.)
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
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by chiblackhawks on May 17, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
lovin' the beard
VerBolLad makes this a fully operational battlestation.
Gentlemen! I have invented...this thing!
by cliffkoroll on May 17, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes you can
anything said by Jar Jar is a huge FAIL
September 26, 2007 The day a Franchise was reborn.
Good point
But I don’t consider the 3 prequels to be “real” SW films. It’s much nicer to just entirely forget they exist & feign ignorance when anyone brings them up.
“The Phantom Menace? No… doesn’t ring a bell…”
Come on... That's like knocking Shakespeare
Yousa thinking yousa people ganna die?
It’s a longo taleo buta small part of it would be mesa… clumsy
Ye gods, whatta meesa sayin’?
Wesa got a grand army. That’s why you no liking us meesa thinks.
Give me a point in life that those don’t apply to
Schadenfreude ist die schönste Freude (denn sie kommt von Herzen)
even a lot of sharks fans
over at FtF admitted it was old, before the puck even dropped. i guess at this point it’s just like a new tradition?
by puppetmasterp on May 17, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
ooh, no, but I'm gonna watch for that.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
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by chiblackhawks on May 17, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
haven't had a chance to check GDT since I left it this afternoon but
I find it pretty ironic that in a game where the Sharks saw 5 powerplay chances to the Hawks’ 0, there’s a potential controversy brewing on how the refs managed to send the wrong Blackhawk to the box and let the guy who committed the penalty help kill that penalty.
Also, to all the Wings fans saying things like “Dear Chicago, welcome to Gary Bettman’s world of Sharks Ass-Kissing. We know how you feel too.”: STFU. We are not like you, and never will be. PLEASE NEVER INCLUDE US IN YOUR DELUSIONS EVER AGAIN.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
why in god's name would the NHL try to "fix" the series so the sharks make it to the SCF?
because west coast games are so easy to schedule/draw so many viewers?
because people have really strong opinions about the sharks and will watch to cheer them on/hope for their failure?
those people are fucking crazy. I don’t think the Sharks played the game completely within the rules but penalties are called by refs who are fallible. And I won’t be surprised if next game there are “make up calls”.
I do wish NBC had, you know, shown replays of the penalized actions/told us what the player was in the box for.
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
You picked up on that, too!?
Ha. “Exorcising the dragons.” When I heard that, I turned to my brother and said, “Missing out a Red Wings-filled Western Conference Final is starting to take a toll on Pierre.”
Duncan Keith = 2010 Norris Trophy Winner
ha!
yeah, we all started talking about that. “uh, pierre, it’s demons” or was it milbury?
(170 g) * (3x10^8 m/s)^2 = 1.5x10^16 J
exorcising the dragon
chasing the dragon – he was just confused because he wanted his drugs
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
No, I am pretty sure it was that little bald-headed weasel Pierre
If it had been Milbury, it would’ve sounded like this:
“This game is losing it’s spectacular level of violence. Goaltenders are pussies. I say we make ’em play without masks! Fuck you, Pierre. You guys know I once beat a fan with a shoe, right?”
Duncan Keith = 2010 Norris Trophy Winner
by DKeith2 on May 17, 2010 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
try asking that to the wings fans
the ratio of wings fans to hawks fans complaining about Bettman’s Conspiracy Favoring the Sharks after today was somewhere in the vicinity of 1238013098103:1
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on May 17, 2010 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
who the hell is that one dumb hawks fan?
by puppetmasterp on May 17, 2010 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions
see below, LMAO
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
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by chiblackhawks on May 17, 2010 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions
this is why I love SCH
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on May 17, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Even though I did not get to watch the game
I gotta say those fucking refs blew several calls that should have gone against the Sharks. Wonder what their friend “Gary” had to say to the refs. I mean how do you put the wrong person in the box? This is all set up man! But like I said this is just my Opinion from not watching the game.
Get off my Land!
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James Madison is my Hero!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on May 17, 2010 5:45 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL
And there’s our one
/presses sarcasm button
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on May 17, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
This baby is off the charts... mm-hai!
Schadenfreude ist die schönste Freude (denn sie kommt von Herzen)
yeah but he used to be on our side
what with our penalty-less games against LA and New Jersey… or was that Walsh who officiated those games?
Hang on, I gotta call Uncle Gary again.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on May 17, 2010 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
one of them happened
right after the Anaheim game, so Devorski probably worked the LA game, yeah. NJ was Walsh, I believe.
Because people are dumb
Tons of people in Tampa Bay are convinced the MLB “Front Office” is in an active experience against them.
Plenty of people also think the NHL is conspiring to see the Hawks win as well… I mean if you are a paranoid tin foiler then I could see how you would think that
"I mean if you are a paranoid tin foiler then I could see how you would think that"
What makes you say that? The Hawks were the ones who took the 5 penalties, so your comment is confusing me a bit. Wouldn’t the Sharks have gotten called 5 – 0 if they were conspiring to see the Hawks win? Or are you referring to the Vancouver series? Because I can’t really see that either, as the Canucks just came undone in some of those games.
by Katherine215 on May 16, 2010 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Because
Some people think that the NHL are conspiring to place the Hawks on top…
They are a young and exciting team, they are gaining popularity outside of the sport of Hockey, Chicago is a big city…
Its not happening, but if you are a conspiracy theorist then you take those things and convince yourself.. rather then accepting that you got outplayed.
btw
I wasn’t calling you a paranoid tin foiler… however, I urge you to not obsess to much on the officiating.
most of the Hawks penalties were deserved IMO… two of them were dumb ones as well.
I think I was not clear.
After the Hawks took 5 penalties to the Sharks 0, how are people saying that the NHL is conspiring to see the Hawks win? Wouldn’t it be the Sharks they’re conspiring to see win?
I enjoy a good conspiracy theory every now and then, but this is not one I believe in. While NBC rarely replayed the penalties which contributed to some confusion, I don’t think the NHL or the refs are out to get us. And if they are, it’s up to the Hawks to overcome it.
by Katherine215 on May 17, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
And they showed
yesterday that they could overcome. I don’t think there is a “conspiracy theory” because thats just non-sense. Who knows maybe that Bolland call was a make up of some sort but it’s not like steegs is a bad Penalty killer.
Yep, unlike in game 4 of last year's WCF
So I’m happy to see the growth and maturity. I like to think of the Versteeg/Bolland switcheroo as karma’s way of balancing out the game. Though Versteeg isn’t a bad PKer
by Katherine215 on May 17, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
On this.....
Who knows maybe that Bolland call was a make up of some sort….
Never underestimate the ability of officials to just plain get it wrong.
"You don't wanna show me nothin'. But you're tellin' me everything."
oh, but see
that IS what the Wings fans are saying. The NHL is conspiring to let the Sharks win. Why, I have no idea. This doesn’t match up with “East Coast Bias” and the Sharks don’t have Crosby or Ovechkin.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on May 17, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
I can't imagine pumping a drier well...
….than a Sharks/NHL conspiracy. Profoundly absurd.
Gentlemen! I have invented...this thing!
by cliffkoroll on May 17, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, but 815Sox was saying
people think they’re conspiring to let the HAWKS win. Not the Sharks. This is where my confusion is coming from. I could see Wings fans (and others) thinking there was a Sharks conspiracy but I don’t see what is making people find a Hawks conspiracy.
I’m stopping now. I think I’m just missing the point all together.
by Katherine215 on May 17, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
actually, I think you're illustrating the absurdity PERFECTLY
to some fanbases, there always seems to be a conspiracy against them, but for anyone who was twisted enough, 9 times out of 10 you can probably “prove” conspiracy for or against any given team.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on May 17, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
well, at least I'm illustrating something perfectly
I feel like I’ve lost all communication skills otherwise.
And I pretty much think this whole topic is absurd. I mean, it’s fun to joke about (a la Calling Uncle Gary), but come on. So much would have to go into a conspiracy theory like this, I can’t see that it would be very feasible.
by Katherine215 on May 17, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
wel, given that we don't score on the PP
but we do score on the PK …
Confusion will be my epitaph.
by krome on May 17, 2010 10:34 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
there's a conspiracy theory for that?
I was thinking more along the lines of aliens in Roswell or a second shooter in Dallas.
by Katherine215 on May 17, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
At least two shooters...
That pristine bullet, the change of direction in mid-air mind you… oh never mind.
want to explain why jordan left a three-peat basketball team to try his hand at minor league baseball?
there’s a conspiracy theory for that.
(170 g) * (3x10^8 m/s)^2 = 1.5x10^16 J
He didn't just die
Not that I believe the conspiracy theory, but it was a hell of a lot more traumatic than “his father died.”
(170 g) * (3x10^8 m/s)^2 = 1.5x10^16 J
let see: how about “murdered so some punks could steal the championship ring he had on him, the one that MJ gave to him…which ultimate made him a robbery target.”
more accurate?
by puppetmasterp on May 17, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
that is traumatic
I hadn’t heard about that before.
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
i’m pretty sure that’s what i remember hearing, once they actually caught the guys that did it (and i believe they caught them b/c one of them was trying to show off the ring).
by puppetmasterp on May 17, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
If you really want to get conspiracy theory on his ass you can point out that it was a conveniently timed “leave of absence” for someone secretly suspended for one of various illegal actions. Actions which, if made public, would have destroyed Jordan and in result the NBA since Jordan WAS the NBA at the time.
Think about it :p
i'm not saying it wasn't the gambling
i think it was too. but it’s also hard to argue his father wasn’t murdered when they found a body in the woods or something….
by puppetmasterp on May 17, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
he was shot
in his car, and then the body dumped in a swamp. no matter how you look at it, that’s murder.
(170 g) * (3x10^8 m/s)^2 = 1.5x10^16 J
I thought it was his father's death.
is the conspiracy something with krause or his gambling problems? I could probably be persuaded to believe those, too.
by Katherine215 on May 17, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
If it wasn't soupy's theory below,
I could see on a theory on the shady characters he was associating with due to the gambling.
Michael Jordan’s star has fallen pretty far in my eyes the past few years.
by Katherine215 on May 17, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember hearing that
he got into a lot of trouble with his gambling and was faced being suspended. The stint in the minor leagues was a sham to cover it up.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
one positive
he chose to torture white sox fans and not cubs fans.
by Coz_Bulls_Fan on May 18, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
gambling...
that is what he did instead of “taking” the suspension, and ruining the NBA for D Stern?
fisting barry rozner with every goal!!!
by soupy's spin-o-rama on May 17, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
A new profile pic
for all of you young conspiracy theorists out there.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
by cdz3210 on May 17, 2010 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I find this
hilariously hilarious.
/Note unceasing sarcastic laughter in background.
by burpchelischili on May 17, 2010 6:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Sharks Culture
Kudos to Fear the Fin and Sharks fans in general for not getting bitchy about that Bolland-Versteeg screw up. Vancouver fans would have lost their minds entirely.
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
by HjammerTime on May 17, 2010 12:18 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Just got back from Rockford...
Decided to attend my daughters college graduation… (no decision really, but…)
Got to the car just after Buff’s goal, and nerviously counted down the final seconds.
Niemi looks awfully good on the recording so far (still 0-0).
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
it's definitely a fun game to watch!
and it only gets better after the 1st
by blackhawkeyes on May 17, 2010 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Did you just graduate too?
I asked Stacie that a few days ago, I believe I got the South Park avatars mixed up…
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
I did just graduate on Saturday.
And I’ve been meaning to change my avatar, but I don’t want to make any changes until the end
by blackhawkeyes on May 17, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Yup! Coronado.
Right after the marathon – actually, there were still stragglers running as we queued up in line…
I spent a lot of time in the lobby, because my granddaughter was acting up. missed all those great speeches… got updates on the hawks game from friends. And of course got to see my daughter graduate later.
I love my little granddaughter! A little get out of jail free card!
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
Just want an opinion on this
I know it will be hard for us to be impartial, but did anyone think that the NBC commentary / announcing was extremely pro Chicago? The Sharks fans are all having fits over how much Chicago was mentioned and especially that Edzo was used as an announcer. I personally thought they talked about the Sharks quite a bit and I’m going to rewatch the game on NHL network to see if I missed something.
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
isn't Edzo always used for NBC broadcasts, though?
I mean, most hockey fans know about his bias, so it’s like, I don’t know, just deal with it? It’s not the end of the world, in my opinion, and Doc is about as neutral as it gets. It’s hard to expect Edzo to NOT talk about Chicago, since he covers us on a daily basis and knows us inside and out, whereas his knowledge of the Sharks might not be as in-depth, but that’s what Pierre is there for: the deep anal probing.
Edzo was a lot more of a homer
than I’ve ever heard him be before. He seemed just, I don’t know, really really really excited by the game and that the Hawks were back in the WCF?
(170 g) * (3x10^8 m/s)^2 = 1.5x10^16 J
Today's game
was too fast for Edzo to remember who he was broadcasting for.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
Me thinks Edzo is a big fan of the "Hawk"
….good for Eddie, he sounded pretty proud of his team.
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
I watched a recording when I got home
Eddie did seem a little “Homey”…
When they were dissecting Niemi’s puck handling gaffe, he commented how they made a big deal out of his “one mistake all game”…
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
he's only a homer
unless we’re playing the Wings.
I mean, the game had so much action on both ends, and this is the best the Hawks have played since the start of the playoffs. Do you blame him for being excited for us?
did i sound like i blamed him? because i did not mean for it to come off that way.
(170 g) * (3x10^8 m/s)^2 = 1.5x10^16 J
I get it now
I’m surprised Edzo didn’t just fall into his purest homerism, but maybe he’s saving that for a Game 16 victory
(170 g) * (3x10^8 m/s)^2 = 1.5x10^16 J
Yeah, I noticed that too!
I thought he just happened to bring some of Foley’s stash with him and like cdz said, forgot
I wouldn't consider the broadcast
to be “extremely” pro Chicago. It might have seemed bias but Niemi and the Hawks were making more plays than the Sharks.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
I didn't think it was pro-Chicago at all
And even if it was, I’d chalk it up to NBC having to make it up to Hawks fans for making us listen to McGuire and Milbury engage in Red Wings-fueled sword fights during the WCF last year. I thought McGuire was going to literally ejaculate during the second intermission of Game 4.
Duncan Keith = 2010 Norris Trophy Winner
NBC has always seemed
to favor the team that has the run of play. The Sharks had that for the first 10 minutes, and then the Hawks slowly took over, and Doc switched his attention to Chicago sometime in the second. I remember being pissed that they were so Sharks-centric, but felt appeased by the end. I can only assume Sharks fans experienced the exact opposite.
(170 g) * (3x10^8 m/s)^2 = 1.5x10^16 J
Well even the pre-game was really focused on the Sharks
BTW the whole “Will you be my hero” shit was so stupid.
But I felt the same way… of course its going to feel worse to the Sharks fans because their team lost.
I would say
Doc seems to pretty much scream when the sharks got the puck in the hawks zone. I have never heard a crew pro Chicago in my life. And, does Pierre have any idea that no one gives a shit what stupid comments he interjects with?! Doc: “Hey Pierre how’s Ovi’s jock smell?” D-bag: “Ohhh man, not as good as Crosby’s! I totally drafted him!”
in conclusion I need sleep, but I still very much hate undeserved smugness
by Buttfudge on May 17, 2010 3:34 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
yes, it was very pro-Chicago
but only because I made that call between the 1st and the 2nd. But don’t tell Sharks fans that!
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on May 17, 2010 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions
don't be calling Uncle Gary too much
he may not listen if we really need something down the line
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
oh, no, I'm not
I was calling Uncle Colin.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on May 17, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
sounds like I need to clone Chi's phone
she has all the good numbers
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
I thought Edzo
passed up a lot of opportunities to discuss things about the Hawks that he could have. Again he seems to be overcompensating to fend off this criticism.
However I thought McGuire was very pro-Hawks. Some of that obviously comes from the second intermission where he simulated coaching the Hawks, but I thought his sideline comments, especially late were pro-Hawks.
I would say McGuire was
more “pro edzo”.
Hey Edzo
Edzo what you think about the Hawks doing…
Edzo did you see that…
Edzo…
Edzo….
There were a number of time
where Edzo just ignored him again. That would make a great highlight reel, if someone could just string all of those together with some sad love song playing in the background.
an instructional guide on bad relationships
Do you ever feel like your partner just doesn’t listen to you anymore? Is unresponsive? That you’re wasting all your time and energy trying to get his/her attention?….
by puppetmasterp on May 17, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Best line of the game was from Emrick
“And the ice rink that supposedly is so loud, isn’t so loud.”
Seemed the Shark Tank became more like the Fish Bowl.
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on May 17, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
How did the world stay intact on its axis?
PAVELSTEEEEEEEG—THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE AT THE END OF THINGS.
by gmh on May 17, 2010 1:21 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
That's awesome because Q kind of looks like Sean Connery's character in "Highlander"
Duncan Keith = 2010 Norris Trophy Winner
Put Pavelski in the box
Next time Bolland trips someone
by HappyPony on May 17, 2010 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Seabrook is a +7
thus far. Just sayin’
When in Rome we shall do as the Romans, when in Hell we do shots at the bar.
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on May 17, 2010 6:50 AM CDT reply actions
The guy's a rock
he forgot who he was for large parts of the season, but something happened after he came back from that Wiz hit and he’s really found it again. It’s a lot of fun to watch.
after that rough period in Jan-Feb, I can’t get enough of seeing him play like he’s playing now. This is actually where my true hawks-crush lies.
by puppetmasterp on May 17, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
It was just too weird
After Bolland’s tripping penalty Versteeg cleared the puck and then went to the box where they were captioning Bolland serving a penalty.
Seems like even NBC knew who should serve but then after a couple of plays Pierre notices who’s on the kill and enlightens all to the proclamation of “great pick up Pierre”.
Have to figure Eddie must of known but kept his mouth shut.
Hawks win, whatever.
I noticed it right away
but second guessed myself, then I saw Bolland on the ice…
really do not think it would have made a difference for San Jose though
from Versteeg:
“I was a little surprised, but that’s what happens,” Versteeg said. “It’s just who they saw; they didn’t know at the time so I decided to go to the box. … My heart was pounding through my chest but (goaltender Antti) Niemi came up with a couple big saves.”
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/05/officials-mix-up-hawks-versteeg-bolland-on-ice.html
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on May 17, 2010 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Sounds like Versteeg got confused
headed to the box and no one corrected him.
He must’ve been rattled after coming face to face with his twin. Or just tired after all the costume changes
Watch it with the jinxing!
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by shinkicker on May 17, 2010 8:08 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
or thought
shit I can’t make any mistakes if I’m in the box
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
Self punishment
for not dumping the puck into the zone all those times.
Although in the 3rd i was yelling at him to dump the puck and he split 3 Sharks and got a decent shot off too. Slippery lil bastage
September 26, 2007 The day a Franchise was reborn.
If he converts that
it’s the biggest highlight of the playoffs.
Johnny Knox is so fast he lives in the future
by jasoniniowa on May 17, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
The flying goal was against the Preds
I made a video of that one for the series
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 18, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Both awesomely awesome goals
But I still like the Preds Fight Song video the best for hilarity…
ding ding ding dingdingding ding ding ding dingdingding ding ding ding dingdingding ding ding ding dingdingding ding ding ding dingdingding ding ding ding dingdingding ding ding ding dingdingding
if he were "smart"
I’d assume that he knew exactly whathappened and deliberately went along with it because Bolland is a more primary PK guy (he took the seat in the shame box hit for the team).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
by krome on May 17, 2010 9:26 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Bolland owes him a limo ride then
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
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by chiblackhawks on May 17, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
er. not necessarily with him. I mean with girls.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on May 17, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
or, you know. I don't judge.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on May 17, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Our team is very...close
we don’t want to make them self conscious.
Watch it with the jinxing!
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by shinkicker on May 17, 2010 10:22 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Electric
With a couple of exceptions (5-0 in penalty calls and Pierre McGuire’s existence), a game like this one is the reason why there’s nothing better than playoff hockey. Trying to figure out how I’d be feeling about it if we’d come out on the wrong end of the score, but I’m pretty sure I’d still be able to say “awesome game”. If we’re in for 6 more of these, I’m going to need to search craigslist for a deal on a defibrillator.
IMO, SJ is making a mistake if they want the games to be played at that pace. That was the closest to a track meet I’ve seen yet in our three series, and I don’t think there’s any doubt who that favors. Niemi took care of the guys skating in front of him this time, and I believe they’ll be returning the favor in game 2.
Dat Horsa guy was terrific even without appearing on the scoresheet, but would it have been too much to ask for him to have gone top shelf on that 2-on-1 after Buff’s goal, so I wouldn’t have had to white-knuckle the chair for the last two minutes? Looked to me like Nabokov gave away the high stick side, and I really worried that not cashing that one in was going to come back and bite us.
"Eighty-five percent of the fuckin' world's working. The other fifteen come out here." - Lee Elia
by TenMinuteMisconduct on May 17, 2010 8:09 AM CDT reply actions
It looked like he went 5 hole
which is a pretty common move for him on an odd man rush. It seems like his philosophy is to force the goaltender to make a save rather than risk missing the net. Sometimes he’ll go to one side or the other, but he usually keeps the puck under a height of about 2 feet.
Nabby's one legit weakness
is high stick side.
That said, Hossa’s tendency to go 5-hole on odd-man breaks is rooted in the theory that even if he doesn’t score, there’s a good chance for a rebound available for his teammate crashing from the other side. It’s a sound, high-percentage strategy.
teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.
meh, it's a fine line
You pay 3rd and 4th liners to make the high percentage plays; you pay your superstars to make the low percentage plays when there is a good opportunity. I’m certainly not a fan of missing the net, but in that 2 on1 situation, Hoss probably needed to but a better shot on nabakov.
Ditto for CNS
Not looking for the cloud in the silver lining, really
…but to finish the thought on this and put it behind me, I don’t want a percentage play there, I want a backbreaker. It’s not like he’d have been trying to do something he isn’t capable of, and a goal there ends the game. If SJ scores in that final minute, we could be looking at that missed chance as a turning point in the series, not just the game.
All that said – if the effort is this good top to bottom all series, Hawks win. And Hossa was too good in all other phases of the game to crawl up his ass for that one play. Is it Tuesday yet?
"Eighty-five percent of the fuckin' world's working. The other fifteen come out here." - Lee Elia
by TenMinuteMisconduct on May 17, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's the thing.
I’m not sure whether he was in a position to elevate on that drive or not. Maybe the puck was dancing a little, or he felt like Nabby had a good look, or who the hell knows.
But I do know that Hossa generally plays smart hockey. Which suggests to me that the shot he took was the best shot he had (or that he at least thought so). So I guess I’m just saying that I’m not sure it was the “mistake” that some are suggesting.
teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.
I'll defer to Hossa's hockey smarts
and decision making every time as opposed to our after the fact, hyper-analytical arm chair quarterbacking.
The guy is playing at the most elite level in the world. I’m going to assume he’s making the right decisions a vast majority of the time.
"You don't wanna show me nothin'. But you're tellin' me everything."
On this particular play,
Nabokov wasn’t in a very good position and there was a lot of room for Hossa to go high stick side.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
Weird
If you do a Google search for “An inch above sand,” this page (or links to it) take up 2 of the top 3 slots. Congrats, guys, you’re more popular than Pelican (kind of).
I don't think the Sharks will get off 40+ shots/game either
So hopefully he won’t have to.
I don’t think any of us expected this kind of steal from niemi, so I’m taking it as a treat and preparing myself for the next barn burner.
Watch it with the jinxing!
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by shinkicker on May 17, 2010 8:59 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh, absolutely
Just making the point that if the Sharks continue to play like that, we can’t expect to win every game. As you said, it was kind of a steal.
The really important thing
Is that it was a W
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by shinkicker on May 17, 2010 9:26 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I was thinking the same...plus 5 PP to boot...
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
Exactly.
I actually think that’s about as good a game as they can play against the Hawks, and yet they still lost. Granted it had a lot to do with Nemo playing an amazing game, but that’s got to get them shaking their heads a bit.
It’s not like they can sit there and point to anything they can improve upon, really. And can they really keep that up for 3 or 4 more games?
teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.
With the kind of minutes they're putting up? No, but
I see McClellan moving players around at some point… balancing out the lines might help them.
As for what they can improve upon… uh, not failing when you’re staring at an open net? I actually thought Niemi got caught out of position a few times, a couple of which he had to call upon his athleticism (which he hasn’t had to do for a while now) and a couple of which his D bailed him out (Sopes’ save, Seabrook’s hit). There were also some bouncing pucks and whiffs.
The Sharks are getting more chances than I want to see — this needs to stop.
The Sharks played well enough to win
they just didn’t get any breaks. Let’s not get overconfident, that’s when the Hawks play their worst hockey. Plus there was just too much weird shit in this game to divine any trends.
I'd say they got a few breaks
Like the power play split, but I’ll take the 5-0 there and not in the net.
Watch it with the jinxing!
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by shinkicker on May 17, 2010 10:59 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I can gaurantee you
that many sharks fans are asking the same question about us. Both teams probably think they can play better.
Ditto for CNS
Nope
they’ve seen better from the Hawks already this season.
Gentlemen! I have invented...this thing!
Wanted to share this!
This great picture is hand drawn on the chalk board at one of my favorite watering holes!! Got to love a place that draws things like this, has chicken wings and will serve you Maker’s Mark and diet in a pitcher!!
Hi Ogie. Buy you a soda after the game?
by VerJesus32 on May 17, 2010 8:42 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
That's funny, but disturbing
What with Illinois being a pregnant, female Indian with an implied penis and all.
by HungryHungryPanda on May 17, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Or they hit up a special toy store
Plenty of them in Chicago and San Francisco
Watch it with the jinxing!
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by shinkicker on May 17, 2010 9:02 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Lol!
Isn’t this the reverse of one of the photoshops they have up at FtF?
But chalkboard drawing >>>>>>> photoshop
I wish I had photoshop!
I also wish I had the password for this site. I can’t get in from home unless I use my work computer. I wanted to share the joy of the game…fucking open logins
Great pic, great game. Happy all around minus it’s Monday but a little easier to take in after a win.
Can you have your work computer tell you what your password is?
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
by shinkicker on May 17, 2010 9:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
maybe...just maybe
I’ll have to figure out something, just don’t want to log out and then not be able to get in at all.
If you have a 2nd Browser
on your computer, open SCH on there and you should have to log-in and the you can recover your password.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
If you use firefox
Go to tools >options >privacy>saved passwords (or something like that) and select show saved passwords. Don’t know about IE or Chrome. Or Safari.
Watch it with the jinxing!
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by shinkicker on May 17, 2010 9:15 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It's really useful for stuff like this
Or when you’re switching computers and don’t know half your passwords, because they’re all stored
Watch it with the jinxing!
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by shinkicker on May 17, 2010 9:24 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Or when you’re switching computers and don’t know half your passwords,
Big fan of the KeePass freeware tool. I keep all my passwords in there and then use “My Dropbox” to store the KeePass file. That way all the passwords are on all of my computers…
There is a special place in Hell
for people who put Diet soda (or anything but Ice a and a splash of water, actually) in a good bourbon like Makers.
I’m thinking this is why they sell Beam or Early Times.
teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.
My uncle
used to take my Grandfather’s Glenfiddich & put Irn Bru in it. He’s probably going to hell even without that indiscretion, though.
I LOVE Irn Bru
but you just can’tdo that with a good bottle of Glenfiddich.
Hmmm…now i’m thinking i need to get a case of Irn Bru shipped here. It really IS heaven for a hangover.
by puppetmasterp on May 17, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Irn Bru is a Godsend (as is Glenfiddich)
But it’s illegal in the U.S.. Something to do with the orange colourant being banned by the F.D.A. or something. I’ve heard of them getting round this by changing its colour to purple, but that might be in Canada.
REALLY????? I did not know that. that sucks.
The radioactive orange color is just so comforting. b/c i’ve definitely brought back individual bottles in my suitcases.
I MEAN NO I HAVEN"T (looks around for US Customs officials)…..the last thing I need is another reason for customs and immigration to give me a hard time when i reenter the country. After my last experience, i’m beginning to think they don’t want me….citizenship or no citizenship.
by puppetmasterp on May 17, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, the UK version isn't legal.
But Barr have started making an FDA-approved version (I love Wikipedia). Link.
thank you!
nice to know. Barr it is then….we’ll see if it really tastes the same.
by puppetmasterp on May 17, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Pretty sure
my bf has smuggled Irn Bru back from Scotland. Along with haggis.
"But I like to have fun!" - Meatball
Haggis is some nasty stuff
IMO
Get off my Land!
ART.I§8-11; AM I-XXVII
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on May 17, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Dunno, it's repulsive.
The haggis tin sat in the cabinet for three years or so. I think he likes the thrill of smuggling in strange foods from other countries.
"But I like to have fun!" - Meatball
Haggis in a tin?
For fuck’s sake, that’s even worse, it sounds less pleasant than having forks jammed in my eyes.
thow a nice fried haggis
in your luggage, and you’ve got a terrible problem w/airport dogs. I’ve done the same with tinned meat pies from Britain.
"But I like to have fun!" - Meatball
at least meat pies are delicious at some point
I don’t know about tinned, but a good meat pie is awesome.
…now where can I get one in Chicago because I’m craving one.
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
uh-oh
they been misbehaving again?
Oh….brats (rhymes with knots, not hats.)
Carry on.
Gentlemen! I have invented...this thing!
really just amusing
to watch my meathead friends eat them for sport, upon losing a bet, or as a drunken meal.
"But I like to have fun!" - Meatball
i've HAD decent haggis
not often, and i’ve definitely had awful haggis as well…..but it is possible. Kind of like watching the chefs on Iron Chef make you believe that, in the right setting and when prepared properly, even mushroom basil ice cream can sound delicious….
by puppetmasterp on May 17, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I did not know such a thing as good haggis existed!
But haggis is good for one thing. If you are drunk off your ass in the cold & pouring rain propped up by a railing (somewhat) waiting for the van to pick you up, it will be sure you get your business done quickly when shoved into your nearly passed out face!
Get off my Land!
ART.I§8-11; AM I-XXVII
James Madison is my Hero!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on May 17, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
there may or may not have been a similar scenario
when i had the good haggis.
by puppetmasterp on May 17, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Sticking it to them
with our St. Louis?
by stanfordron on May 17, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
More like
we just gave SJ a venereal disease
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 17, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Geez, I use to hang out there 20 some years ago
Is it still a shit hole?
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 17, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Ladd has been a stud!
He’s always there… driving the other team nuts.
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
NBC broadcast
Is it just me or does NBC mix their sound so poorly that it’s tough to hear the announcers over the crowd noise? McGuire tends to mumble and I can barely understand what he says.
Trust me
the less you hear McGuire the better.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
At one point
they were talking about Hammer, and McGuire came in with something along the lines of “he reminds me a lot of Kronwall from the Red Wings.”
He literally can’t STFU about them, can he?
he's physically incapable of it
I got a block of wood to carry around, it soothes my superstitious soul. If the knocking doesn't help I can just beat myself over the head with it until I don't care anymore.
it's entirely possible this isn't sarcasm
yeah i was ready to see how much force it would take
to put my hand through the television…pierre is a waste of good oxygen….then resorts to trying to curse the blackhawks by comparing them to shitty washed up red wings….
I also swear i thought i saw keith roll his eyes at mcguire on his way off the ice at the end of the game.
by desertindian on May 17, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
.....and Neimi jus misses the only one that goes in!!!
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
I was really hoping Bolland would pop a shortie
while Versteeg was in the box
just to give us a couple of days of interesting bloviation over the ref’s error
Confusion will be my epitaph.
by krome on May 17, 2010 9:31 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
That really would have been beautiful
Watch it with the jinxing!
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by shinkicker on May 17, 2010 9:47 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Correction
SJ did not even “roll 3 lines”. They basically rolled seven forwards (top 6 AVERAGED over 22 minutes, Mahotra 16, no one else more than 10.)
Some of this was PP, but even 5-on-5 the top 6 averaged almost 18.5.
Hawks top 9 averaged 16.5, w/ Toews leading at just over 19, and Madden was #10 at about 12.5.
Q deserves a lot of credit for sticking with his plan.
These numbers tell me the speed game should lead to good 3rd periods.
Gentlemen! I have invented...this thing!
I think I posted this up top
But yeah, even my eye test was telling me they had their top two lines out there constantly.
this will make a big difference if SJ tries to continue this
playoff hockey is high intensity/speed/impact stuff. the luxury of rolling 4 lines (even with #4 getting lower minutes) against a team with a short bench is HUGE. If SJ tries to do this, watch for the HAwks to greatly up the physicality of play to wear on them even more so.
Confusion will be my epitaph.
by krome on May 17, 2010 10:47 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ramp it up...
I’ll take it.
Apologies to the Fabulous Thunderbirds
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
It should really make a difference
starting with game 4. An extra day of rest between 2 and 3 gives each team a bit more recovery time, but a switch back to the standard every-other-day format after game 3 (with a 4-hour flight between) should start to benefit the Hawks if McLelland continues to whip his top two lines.
teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.
I'd like to see minutes...
From the previous series. I can’t imagine them rolling 2 lines the majority of the games, maybe more in game 1 hoping to get the early jump. If those minutes keep up they will be worn out by game 3, though they did have a week off, but in the heat of battle those minutes take their toll.
Scheduling...
…They had what, 8 days off coming in? And a long two days before game 2 followed by two off-days before game 3 so I imagine they will try to press the minutes on their top 2 lines thinking they can get away with it.
That said, if we are rolling all four of our lines and Burish/Eager/Madden can be effective and physical for 6 or 8 minutes a game, that could really take its toll by the end of the series.
Schadenfreude ist die schönste Freude (denn sie kommt von Herzen)
Hawks also had a layoff...
…but distributed forward time pretty evenly over top 9.
It’s an admission by SJ of a significant drop-off after the top 6. Kane had a quote before the series along these lines (two top lines v. Hawks depth), but it really clicked for me as I watched the game yesterday.
If VerBolLad can even come close to neutralizing Mt. Olympus, look out.
Actually, if I’m McClelland, I think about dropping Marleau back with Mahotra.
Gentlemen! I have invented...this thing!
by cliffkoroll on May 17, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
True.
I’m not justifying it. I feel much more comfortable splitting time among the top 9 with a few minutes to the fourth line than I would splitting among the top 6 or 7. I think the extended layoff gives McClelland at least a little bit of leeway, however, where he can get away with it for a while.
I do think, that it could end up costing him late in the series or late in game (esp. OT) if the Hawks play fast and physical.
Schadenfreude ist die schönste Freude (denn sie kommt von Herzen)
as mentioned elsewhere
I think the “in-game” impact will likely be more significant.
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by cliffkoroll on May 17, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'd make an argument for it being more of an in-game factor
This is the playoffs, so extended minutes are expected and people deal with it. But within a game it could get tiring… (like a reliever pitching a 2nd or 3rd inning, perhaps?)
Still, the Joes’ minutes in the Scum series:
Game Big Lil
1 20:00 23:24
2 23:11 22:44
3 (OT) 25:04 22:36
4 (7-1) 14:31 17:27
5 19:21 20:14
by VerStig on May 17, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
...it does read that way?
Or there’s punctuation I’m missing on the tiny screen.
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by shinkicker on May 17, 2010 10:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ahhh
There’s courier font but no gray box in the mobile view. I seriously kept going back and forth between them trying to figure out how they were different
Watch it with the jinxing!
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by shinkicker on May 17, 2010 11:01 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The Hawks are already up 1-0 in 3rd periods
I would be shocked if this does not continue. In the pregame thread we were talking about how it was absolutely key to make sure the Hawks got the 4th line ice time in the first two periods and pushed the pace. Over the course of a 7 game series this is a key strategy.
Is it Tuesday night yet?
Watch it with the jinxing!
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by shinkicker on May 17, 2010 9:58 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
true story
Decided to check out what was being said at FtF. Went to the address box, and without meaning to, typed in fuckthefin.com.
Sigh.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
Did that take you to a Led Zeppelin fansite?
(Those of you who don’t get the joke, I wouldn’t recomment Googling it)
That story is classified as "Sort of"
on Snopes and it was a Mud Shark.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
I just saved I don't know how many more people the trouble
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on May 17, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
I admire your dedication to sparkle motion
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
by shinkicker on May 17, 2010 11:49 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Well Done!
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
Mindboggling stat of the playoffs courtesy of BoC's Earl Sleek
Chicago’s record in games where they score at least 2 goals is 9-0.
San Jose? 8-0.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
This whole series is threatening to destroy the universe
It’s a battle of teams that couldn’t win a Game 1, a team that always wins at home vs a team that always wins on the road, and Pavelsteeg playing against himself.
Wow. I’m not sure “mindboggling” is a strong enough word…
*cue Twilight Zone theme*
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on May 17, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
and there is the captain obvious quote of the day for Monday
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
Wow ...
That’s crazy. And cool.
What are the records of both teams when they let in 7 goals or more?
www.mjt.org
They're both undefeatless
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on May 17, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I've also noticed...
In Hawks playoff games, That whoever scores the 2nd goal of the game is a key.
Only in one game did the hawks go down 2-1 and still won. (and the goalie wept)
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
Actually
there’s some research showing that the second goal is the most important in hockey.
teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.
this I'd like to look deeper into
Should really get into learning Python. How does this apply to the regular season? The playoffs?
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on May 17, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you going for the reward? :p
I can rig my mutual +/- script for this since it basically slurps the game summaries for goals… if you can get me all the game IDs for playoff games I can try to get you the numbers.
Yay! How do you want the data?
Can I send them in Excel form or would you prefer some other file type? :P
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on May 17, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I just feed them in as text files
like:
030161
030162
030163
030164
030165
030166
The idea is which team scored which goal, right? Not which player?
yeah, which team scored the 2nd goal specifically
and whether they won it or not.
Anyway, I’ve emailed you the text file. It’s got all the game IDs for all the games in the playoffs so far… let me know if you need to separate the data by series or team or something…
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on May 17, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm, I wish SBN had a PM feature or something
I can’t check my e-mail at work, is there some other way we could exchange?
Otherwise I can just do this when I get home (which is what I ought to be doing, hehe).
haha, no rush or anything
I can upload it to a file-sharing site like YSI.com and you can download it from there, but I don’t want you to get into trouble.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on May 17, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
It's probably blocked anyway
Incidentally I’m writing code at work anyway, and I’m at that phase where I get to twiddle my thumbs every time I fix something and re-run it… oh well, I’ll manage — thank goodness for SCH.
true, true
meanwhile, I need to step away from SCH now… haha.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on May 17, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Just in
Backstrom been signed by Caps for $6.7mil/year. Seems to me like they got him for a very reasonable price. Link.
That's cheap,
Ten years long, but the structure of the contract is back-loaded: he gets $6.5M in the first year, and $8M in the last. Interesting, most other long contracts we’ve seen have been front-loaded and decrease as the player gets older.
by spokeinthebandwagon on May 17, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
it's because he's so young
he’ll be hitting his peak years (28ish) more than halfway into his contract.
Cap hit question...
My understanding is that with long term deals like this, the cap hit is the average $ over the number of the years, correct? So Backstrom’s contract would count for $6.7M each year, rather than $6.5M in the first, $8M in the last, etc…
Does the cap hit continue if the player is no longer playing? Obviously, Backstrom is likely to play 10 more years, but Hossa, for example, isn’t likely to play 12 more…
Just curious, as this came up in bar conversation over the weekend and I wasn’t sure of the answer.
Schadenfreude ist die schönste Freude (denn sie kommt von Herzen)
ugh...reply fail...
was supposed to be a response to spokeinthebandwagon
Schadenfreude ist die schönste Freude (denn sie kommt von Herzen)
Your understanding is correct
If I sign a player for 2 years at $5mil one year & $10mil the next, his cap hit is $7.5mil over both years.
I think that if, say, Hossa retires in 10 years, there will be no Cap hit for the remaining year of his contract. That’s why the ‘Hawks got into a bit of trouble, because it wasn’t terribly likely that Hossa would play for 11 seasons after this one, so they sneakily got around the Cap.
Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, anyone.
Unless the player is signed after he turns 35 years old
in that case, the cap counts regardless of whether or not he retires. This is the problem that the Flyers are facing with Chris Pronger.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on May 17, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
yep
but Pens can’t use the same loophole (signing extreme long term to lower the cap hit) for, say, Gonchar, because he’s over 35.
Actually, the Flyers thought the rule applied to when the contract was signed, but it’s actually applicable to when the contract kicks in, which is how they got the Pronger problem. He’ll be on their books til his contract’s done.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on May 17, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
and then they fired their legal counsel…right?
by puppetmasterp on May 17, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
if they win the Cup they may not care
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on May 17, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
One can only hope.
My firm prosecutes malpractice suits, and if that’s not ripe for a great malpractice judgment, nothing is. OTOH, what the hell was a firm specializing in contracts (because they did hire a firm specializing in contracts, right? RIGHT?) doing if they somehow missed that loophole?
Unless they didn’t miss the whole ‘date of signature vs. date of effectiveness’ thing, warned the Flyers, and Flyers management did it anyway. Wouldn’t be the first time that somebody’s done something asinine against advice of counsel.
by spokeinthebandwagon on May 17, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
The MN Wild
have in house attorneys that do all of their contract work. A classmate of mine worked with their legal department for awhile. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Flyers have something similar. If they do, that whole department should get canned for missing that one.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
and the Panthers hire him
Confusion will be my epitaph.
by krome on May 17, 2010 2:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Correct
Total value of the contract divided by the number of years. For example, Hossa’s cap hit is 5.275 mil/year (every year), but he is taking home 7.9 mil this year and only 1 mil in 2017.
Ditto for CNS
Thanks everyone on the replies....
…That’s what I though, on the average cap hit and that it drops off all together once they retire (like with Hossa)….just wasn’t positive on whether it dropped off in the later years.
Schadenfreude ist die schönste Freude (denn sie kommt von Herzen)
not too many complaints
-Geez Hendry, where has that been all spring? He made solid decisions all night and was skating the puck out of trouble a lot. Is Hendry hitting his stride or was it just one good game? If the former, then the Hawks will be in good shape with their third pairing.
-1 game sample size, but I could see Kane playing that well all series. I think the kid can see what is on the horizon for this team, and he played as good a two way game as he’s played all postseason. Kaner was flying all over the place, dominant with the puck and really good without it.
-Kind of a so-so game for Toews. He’s never bad, but he wasn’t dominant in the offensive zone. His great games are still to come in this series. McClellan better focus his brain on getting Jumbo Joe away from Toews….
-I thought Madden and Sharp were pretty average (despite Sharp’s big goal). Hopefully they’ll be better in game 2.
Ditto for CNS
you hear edzo almost shit himself when hendry decided to go end to end?
by desertindian on May 17, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
That was awesome!
gmh called that Bobby Orr-esque, I believe… I was totally pulling for him to take it to the net; alas, we have to settle for it contending with Steeger’s play for the title of amazingly awesome play that almost was.
i was trying to imagine Q's face
when versteeg opted out of another dumping opportunity and decided to walk half of the shark’s team in one move…someday he’ll finish on that…..someday soon…
by desertindian on May 17, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Verbolsky?
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
by shinkicker on May 17, 2010 2:06 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Rumor has it Dale Tallon is the new Panthers GM
Must not like getting paid to do relatively nothing in Chicago…
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Dale-Tallon-to-replace-Randy-Sexton-as-Florida-G?urn=nhl,241549
there ya go
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
Good for Dale
Wish him nothing but the best.
by Northside_Dan on May 17, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Sweet game last night. It took a few days for my head to clear and finally respect you guys again. You’re a great team and I think if you didn’t always beat us (because you’re too fucking good) it would be very easy for me to really like you, especially with all your players from British Columbia. I pick you for the cup, but it’s still hard for me to cheer for you, my heart is still sore.
by Beantown Canuck on May 17, 2010 1:13 PM CDT reply actions
Not my habit
…to pick on other players’ failures, but notice that Thornton (1) had 0 points, one SOG, and was a -2, (2) lost the draw to Toews that resulted in the game-winner from Buff, and (3) practically whiffed on that one-timer in the final seconds that was their last chance to tie. Does another bad outing from him tomorrow point him directly toward the downward spiral that everyone comes to expect from him at playoff time? Just sayin’….
"Eighty-five percent of the fuckin' world's working. The other fifteen come out here." - Lee Elia
by TenMinuteMisconduct on May 17, 2010 1:50 PM CDT reply actions
Amazing isn't it?
I know he’s scored 11 pts in the playoffs so far, but is that really enough from your big man when you’re essentially only rolling 2 lines? (“Hell no” is the answer) I think Sharks fans are grasping at straws and looking for positives – as we probably would too. The guy’s a -8 in the playoffs. Doesn’t matter how many you score if you give up almost twice as many.
Let’s just hope Joe and his line continue their disappearing act. They didn’t look that bad last night despite being -2. The Sharks 2nd line though was pretty awesome.
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on May 17, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
not the most defensize minded.
I noticed on their line, when the pucks in their own zone, they tend to have problems
They’re a powerful offensive group, but I noticed all three lines having some of the best cycling I’ve seen in awhile when they were out…course once they do breakout, be careful cause they can score in a hurry, but from a defensive perspective,(and i think someone mentioned earlier) marleau is about the only one who backchecks and plays solid in his own zone
by desertindian on May 17, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
And yet
for all of our dangerous cycling, we didn’t generate a lot of dangerous chances from it. The first goal and the Hossa 2 on 1 were transition chances, and the second goal was off the faceoff. Toews did put a weak shot off the post from a centering feed, and there was the one Kane trickled off the far end of the post, but the Sharks didn’t give up a lot of dangerous chances off the Hawks O-zone offense.
I just finished the last podcast
I forget who, maybe Sam (or was it the Hockey Independent guy?) was making the point that our cycling is sometimes a bad sign, because it means we’re being kept to the outside.
It was refreshing for me to see its return last night, but I feel like if you start to notice it too much, it means that it’s happening as much out of hesitation to shoot or try to find open space, as it is out of crisp passing and good puck possession. Like, 10 seconds of cycling good, 20+ seconds of it bad.
88 has opportunities to go in at times
It makes me nuts when I see Kaner making yet another pretty pass while passing up a free lane to skate toward the net. He’s not alone, other Hawks make the extra pass at times too but Kaner especially seems reluctant at times to “SHOOT THE PUCK”. I love the guy and I love seeing him skate and pass but man, when those lanes open up, skate in and put the biscuit in the basket!
right
He seems to have made it a habit to wait along the boards for a passing lane to open up, or else he skates up to the top of the circle and then dishes to a defenseman. If players know 88 isn’t going to ever drive to the net, it takes away a whole dimension they don’t have to defend against, which will make Kane much less effective once they catch on to this.
I think I know exactly what you're talking about
because I had those same thoughts last night. It’s hard to score or make a play when your back is to the net.
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on May 17, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
And when the Hawks did get out of the corner
it seemed to always find them on their backhand. Even the centering feed that Toews put off the post he had to turn it around. I’ll chalk that up to bad luck but it just felt like we could never get anything going.
Not to be a superstitious dick
The two of you have couched your language carefully, but IMO, the less said on the subject around these parts right now, the better.
That line did generate some excellent chances yesterday.
Let’s just say Sammy Davis Jr. is a very talented performer and leave it at that for now.
Gentlemen! I have invented...this thing!
I think we've pretty much established that
MOST of us are superstitious dicks to one degree or another… So don’t sweat it.
/hears the sirens off in the distance, escapes by quickly logging out of the matrix
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on May 17, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
we can only hope
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
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