So Where Do We Go From Here? Just About Anywhere...
by Killion on Jun 13, 2010 10:22 PM CDT
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First of all - sorry none of us have been around lately with anything to say about the game and the celebrations. Like you, we're still in shock. We also recovered from our hangovers from Wednesday only in time to do it all over again for the parade. We have quite a few plans for the summer so we'll let you know more about them when the time is right. For now, here are just a few quick thoughts and ideas:
- Hard to believe - but the NHL Entry Draft is just under two weeks away. Like we did last year, SBN's hockey blogs will be doing our own Mock Draft starting on the 16th. Check From The Rink for more details when the time comes. Last year, we picked Joonas Nattinen with the 28th overall pick. We were maybe a bit high on that kid since he didn't actually get picked until the 3rd round, 65th overall. This year, we obviously get the 30th overall pick so I hope you're ready for us to randomly select some kid you've never heard of... because prospects aren't our strong suit. We're up for ideas though - if you've got a can't miss prospect that will make us look intelligent, let us know in the comments.
- Speaking of the draft - we know the Hawks will be making some moves this summer and this could be the first time we see some action from wonder-kid Stan Bowman.
- And hey, speaking of the front office - Adam Burish certainly made it easier for the Hawks to say goodbye to him with comments like these. Nice one there, Burwood. Burish is a UFA this summer, along with Madden, the corpse of Kim Johnsson, Nick Boynton and a few others. The big RFA's are Andrew Ladd, Niklas Hjalmarsson, Antti Niemi, Jordan Hendry, Ben Ea... jesus christ there are a lot of them. We're going to have a lot of fun talking about this situation all summer, aren't we?
- Want to have a lot of fun? Go re-read the comments in our OT game thread and post-game thread for Game 6. Want to have almost as much fun? Go read the game thread over at St. Louis Game Time. Just skip ahead to the OT though, they're pretty butthurt about the whole thing and I guarantee it'll make you laugh.
- I still haven't trimmed or shaved my playoff beard - I'm having a hard time saying goodbye. Anybody else having this problem?
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I was sad when I shaved mine
however might have been crying if I had to shave it due to a loss
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I didn't grow one this year
because of how sad I was last year after the WCF loss to Scum. Luckily, I didn’t jinx us. Or perhaps my powers are just not as awesome as I had thought!
Our Cup.
I trimmed Thursday morning.
Got laid Thursday night.
I like boobs.
by G.S. Clam on Jun 13, 2010 10:32 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Wifey chased me around with a razor
until I shaved mine
by warrenjm2006 on Jun 14, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
It was a tough goodbye on sat
but it finally happened that I shaved it off
2009-2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Chicago Blackhawks
Gone
Drunk in the shower at 3:00 a.m. Can’t stand the things. Something about tasting last night’s last shooter first thing in the morning that motivates the smooth cheeks.
2010 Stanley Cup Champions. Booyah.
Hendry, Boynton, Johnsson, and maybe Eager are pretty easy decisions...
But after the comments that Huet’s situation needs “work” you’ve got to wonder what will happen there. I don’t even know what’s possible…I mean, no one wants that contract.
2 teams traded for Vesa Toskala last season.
by Original Six on Jun 13, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
how did that dysentery case get $4 million a year?
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
that must have been one hell of a bender
I mean Tallon and the Huet deal was a gamble gone wrong, but Teskala?
How was that ever going to be a good deal?
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Huet will clear waivers and be in Rockford.
The surprising thing to me is Nemo’s agent saying that Antti may not want to come back here. Of course, that could just be agent bargaining talk, but it seems strange to make a comment like that so soon after the Cup win.
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by Preacher000 on Jun 13, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
From a snippet on Puck Daddy, quoting another source: Antti's agent
“You have to make a smart hockey decision,” Zito said. "Where does he want to play? Does he want to be part of this thing?
“This city, it’s unbelievable now. But he might say ‘no.’ In fact, he’s the kind of guy who might say, ‘I don’t like it.’ "
“The other night, we were all going to dinner and I was like, ‘Hey, we’re going to one of these Mexican places, do you want to go?’
“Antti says, ‘No. Too many people will see me.’”
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by Preacher000 on Jun 13, 2010 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I could understand that
He looks pretty shy. I thought during his interview after the cup game and at the rally he looked more comfortable and that maybe he was getting used to some of the attention.
How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?
If he is that shy, he ought to sign with a southern team - he'd be utterly anonymous
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
well he was pretty anonymous here too
aside from hard core hockey fans. that was until he decided to, you know,….play well.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 14, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's the link
How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?
LOL
was just getting ready to post that when yours pops up! HAHA! Quick fingers!
Drink it up!
In Stanley we trust! 34,38,61, and finally 2010!!!
It took me a bit to find it
I’ve been reading way too many articles lately and I can’t remember where I got them half the time.
How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?
yeah, me too
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I love Patrick Kane, that ugly son of a biscuit.
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by jesus christos on Jun 13, 2010 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
And the original article
http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/Chicago+Niemi+costly+problem/3146983/story.html#ixzz0qf6ZCC7j
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by Preacher000 on Jun 13, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
If you read the Montreal article, it's pretty clear the agent is just yakking.
He’s throwing things at the wall to try and get leverage. I’m not all that concerned about our ability to keep Niemi in net if we want him. Puck Daddy pulled a quote that sounds worrisome, but the whole context of the article is basically the agent spouting off. He admits that he hasn’t even talked contracts with Niemi since the season ended.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 13, 2010 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
It’s agent-speak for, “I want to get rich(er) off this Fin bastard!”
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Thanks, a little inside
info feelings on Niemi. I would love to have him back next year but, if he don’t like the reconition, and he experienced a bunch of nasty reconition against Huet when he was flopping around in the crease, then so be it. Thanks for the Cup Antti! And so we need to start drinking already for next years ride with Huet? I can’t take that!
"You didn't think you were just gonna tilt nipple to a bunch of no rank fuzz butts did you?
by thepuckstopshere31 on Jun 14, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
They could always
buyout Huets’ contract – the cap hit would be $1.875 million for the next 4 years…
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.
I think it’d be a lot higher than that actually… like 2.65 Million I believe
Second City Hockey
June 9, 2010
Nope - $1.875 million for 4 years is Huet's buy out hit
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
it had been previously discussed enough around here that I figured we could dispense with it
I even quoted at length from the CBA at one point.
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
well yeah, but Matthew has been around a while
and he must have missed this lengthy discussion you reference, therefore, I felt the link would be helpful.
Ditto for CNS
the link doesn't specifically show....
the 66% number. As long as the contract isn’t a 35 plus contract, 66% of the total, over double the term, is the buyout cap hit.
Ditto for CNS
How much do people think Niemi would cost?
Assuming he wants to come back, of course. I agree that the stuff above is more agent than Nemo, but if we can’t have him next year, I wonder if I’m the only one who thinks that we may be better off going with Huet than buying him out / burying him in Rockford and taking our chances with a replacement and however much he costs (it’d have to be on the cheap, to make such a move worthwhile).
My question is
is Crawford really so bad that would couldn’t take a flyer on him if necessary? I don’t know much about him other than the couple games he played for the Hawks earlier this year.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
I'd like him as a backup
I’m not sold on him being a starter. Of course, you could’ve said the same about Niemi… but my thinking is we sign Niemi up to the point where it’s worthwhile doing whatever to Huet, maybe his current hit minus $1.875mm minus Niemi’s current hit.
Hjammer may have inflated his cost with his playoff performance, but I think Niemi may have played his value down a bit in the finals. Could be good news for us.
Remember
That we were a coinflip between Niemi and Crawford last year during the preseason. Crawford is a pretty good goalie, and if Niemi doesn’t want back, then give Corey the reins.
by warrenjm2006 on Jun 14, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
The Niemi who took the reigns for the team in the playoffs
and the Niemi who scrapped with Crawford for the big club job in October were two different goalies, in my mind. Give the guy credit (and the goaltending coaches even more credit), he improved massively over the course of the season, especially with regards to making huge stops and cooperating with his defense to minimize the impact of his tendency for rebounds. I don’t think the Niemi that we saw at the beginning of the year could have made that stop on Carter in Game 6.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 14, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
No way, Huet
For two years in a row, Huet came into the season as the anointed one, and for two years in a row, he lost the job. Buy him out, send him to the Hogs, urge him to commit seppuku; I don’t care, but unless all of our goalies are dead, there’s no way he should be playing in Chicago.
by HawkInExile on Jun 14, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed, Although he appeared to be
a very good sport and support to Niemi and the rest of the team during the run, (why not, a chance for his name on the Chalice) I get the feeling that the rest of the team don’t have a lot of faith in him and his bloated salery! And personally I DON"T LIKE THE MAN FROM FRANCE!
Dump em, trade em, bleed em, Johnsson him whatever!
"You didn't think you were just gonna tilt nipple to a bunch of no rank fuzz butts did you?
by thepuckstopshere31 on Jun 14, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Niemi made the big stops when he had to.
But I don’t think you can honestly put him in the top tier of NHL goalies. And I don’t think any GM out there would pay him at that level.
He is, however, absolutely good enough for a Hawks team that plays great defense in front of him and can put goals up in bunches. I hope we can keep him at a reasonable price.
Our Cup.
Agreed
I know this will be a big topic of conversation in the coming weeks, but he did make the saves when he had to. He wasn’t stellar but he was the goalie that was capable of stepping up when the team in front wasn’t on there game. I hope for a decent price he stays.
And figure out what to do w/ Huet
2009-2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Chicago Blackhawks
He could be our Grant Fuhr!!!
or something.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.
Well, I'm still rooting for the Texas Stars in the Calder Cup...
…there’s one (or hopefully two) games left in THAT series. Some playoffs are still going on. Uh, I’m not going to make a follow-up comment to that.
Funny, I’d been thinking recently how I need to read the game threads from game 6 (I only commented early in the game). Need to read the parade ones too, I guess…it was nice to be away from the computer and actually attending things again!
I feel alone saying this, but I have zero interest in discussing salary and draft stuff—here or on Twitter or other blogs. Of course I’ll read about them because I care about my team(s) and want to be informed. But I’ll be blogging (and maybe fanposting) photos from hockey travels this year…I like having time off to catch up.
So people hung out after the parade? I knew about that, but with that weather I just wanted to go home and pass out/die. Wednesday night and Friday afternoon celebrations—how about a weekend one sometime? A season wrap-up party? Goddammit, I still haven’t had a chance to make Stanley Cup cookies!
…sorry, that comment was as long as the original post…
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Go Bears
I’m less than 2 hours away from Hershey and get to go to games a couple times a year (one of my Vendors owns a suite on the blue line) so I never pass it up.
by Chris Roberts on Jun 14, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I wish I could have seen Calder Cup Finals
…but it was at least $300 RT (by bus!) to either Austin or Hershey. I’d see a lot more AHL (& other minors) if the teams weren’t often in places that are hard to get to. It’s easy to get to Milwaukee games but I dislike the team after seeing them beat Chicago and Rockford badly in some games this year…
I have nothing against the Bears except I’m tired of them winning so much, and I have family connections to Texas/Iowa so I don’t mind a team that was there succeeding…
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I coached a current Hershey player - so - Go Bears!
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
nice
They’re a team I’d really love to see…of course I was hoping I’d be seeing them in the finals, in Rosemont…
The only Stars fans I can find are, well, Dallas Stars fans. Everyone else is rooting for Bears, or all “Hockey season is over!”
a little chippy: a blog, mostly hockey
I saw some Hershey games on that Adhte (or whatever it was) website
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Hammer is an absolute must
in my opinion! He is one of our best defense men and with a little work on his accuracy he could be lights out with that shot! Ladd does soooo much right and I really hope we can make a little room in the cap to sign him! I’m torn on Niemi…. don’t get me wrong he was fantastic throughout the season and the playoffs and he certainly deserves a raise but I still don’t think we have seen enough from him to flat out offer him a monster deal! (see Huet or Luongo) Just thinking about it in my head I would like to see the hawks sign him to a 2 year deal for maybe 2.5 mil per year cap hit… I think that’s fair seeing as how we haven’t seen how he handles the number 1 spot over an entire season and with a 2 year deal at least we wouldn’t get burned if he didn’t pan out. I’m sure his agent would disagrees with me but that’s what he is paid to do
Drink it up!
In Stanley we trust! 34,38,61, and finally 2010!!!
Yes
Hjammertime agrees with this line of thinking. Boy would I look dumb!
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
by HjammerTime on Jun 13, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
I decided long ago that, if he’s signed, I’m going to splurge on one of those super expensive sweaters with his name on it. If he isn’t, then I’ll flip a coin between Keith and Toews, although now that he’s won the damn thing, Hossa is very tempting.
No matter what, I’m going to overspend sometime on a new jersey.
Italian beefs >> Cheesesteak
Regardless of the Series outcome, Chicago dominates on the important points.
That's all to say
I only spend money on specialized jerseys for players I think are worth it and need the recognition. Hjammer’s my first pick, assuming he’s resigned.
Italian beefs >> Cheesesteak
Regardless of the Series outcome, Chicago dominates on the important points.
jersy angst,,
I’m planning on hitting up a jersey too: want Seabrook or Keith.. hopefully Brent will be still with us.. Chicago needs to sort out this cap thing so we can buy overpriced merchandise!
by mightymike D on Jun 14, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Make it a
Sweater!
"You didn't think you were just gonna tilt nipple to a bunch of no rank fuzz butts did you?
by thepuckstopshere31 on Jun 15, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions
i was thinking the same actually, i'd love to by a Jelly jersey next season
but my brain says he played a little TOO well these playoffs….i.e. he got enough people’s attention to become plenty valuable….
by puppetmasterp on Jun 14, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
It wasn't just the playoffs
He was nails most of the season. If anything there were a couple times he dropped off in the playoffs. But, he also picked it back up — so you’re right. Hence my confusion at seeing figures like being able to re-sign him for less than $2 million. If it were up to me, I’d gladly pay him more than that, maybe as one of those long contracts to spread out the cap hit.
yes, he played well all year, WE saw that
but i think the stage of the playoffs made others take notice of him where they hadn’t paid attention before — since Keith and Seabs took so much of the attention around the league regarding our defense
by puppetmasterp on Jun 14, 2010 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions
At the end of the day,
defenseman are paid based on their numbers. His are run of the mill, nor is he a top pair or top draft pick. I would expect a modest raise but anything over $2 million and you may as well have kept Tallon.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 14, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Not top, but how about 2nd?
I would imagine some team (the Stars?) may value him highly enough to give up a 2nd round pick. Which would translate to $3 million.
Stranger things have happened
but I would venture to guess no one’s going to come calling on an offer sheet that large for him.
FifthFeather.com
by El Duque's Raft on Jun 14, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
In looking at Hammer's numbers
you have to realize that he spent most of the year covering for Campbell. And that’s not a knock on Phantom, only a recognition that he spends a lot of time jumping into the offensive play (which is where his value is), leaving his partner with a fair amount of extra work.
I HOPE other teams only look at his raw numbers.
Our Cup.
a lot of scouting staffs see value to a good defensive defenseman - who has some offensive upside in the long run
It would not stun me to see someone offer him $3 million per season for a few years
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
I'm kind of greatful that he lost his shit
in games 3 and 4, maybe we can knock a few hundred K off the price tag.
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
He wasn’t totally on in Game 5 either.
Italian beefs >> Cheesesteak
Regardless of the Series outcome, Chicago dominates on the important points.
I still need to rewatch the last two games
I got distracted by baseball this weekend (and attempting to make the season last just a little bit longer)
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
Niemi won't get as much as everyone is suggesting
He’s only played around 61 games with us this season (regular and post season). He hasn’t really proven himself and hasn’t shown a level of consistency. If he is more concerned about winning than he is about the money, the Hawks should be able to sign him for a pretty good price and he should be the leading man next season. However, if he’s about the cash, he’ll probably bolt and try and make it with another team.
IMO, the guy will be our starting goalie next season. Huet will be gone one way or another. Niemi and Hjalmarsson will take smaller contracts for another shot at the cup.
What more does Niemi have to prove?
He beat out a 5 mil veteran goalie
He won the cup basically as a rookie.
He made a save on Carter late in the 3rd period that of game 6 in the cup finals that, in my mind, makes him the real deal. Keep in mind I was very skeptical of Niemi during the reg season. Just ask Esquire02.
I like the 2 year 2.5 Mil I saw up the post and the Huet buyout.
I like the buyout because it’s not my money and if he is waived and somebody does pick him up, The Hawks are on the hook for 1/2, which is more than the buyout, correct?
Holy Crap!
I agree with most of what you've said
but I think Niemi still has some fundamentals to work on. He gets rebound happy and can be out of position sometimes, and I think his athleticism has made up for those things so far. That, and having a pretty good team D in front of him. This is not to take anything away from the fantastic job he did this year, just pointing out that he has some things to improve on.
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
What do you call an athletic "reflex" goalie?
An AHL all-star.
Niemi has some things to work on if he is to be a long term mainstay goalie instead of a brief, one hit wonder guy. A big contract is not appropriate at this point – perhaps a 2 year deal at middling money (or if both are willing to gamble on where he is headed career wise – a one year deal).
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
"long term mainstay goalie instead of a brief, one hit wonder guy"
Exactly. He brought it to close out this year. But bear in mind, he tailed off there a bit at the end. And it’s his long term stamina that’s never been tested. How well does he fare in a playoffs after an entire season as the #1 guy? I’m hoping/guessing, probably alright. But nobody really knows the answer to that, since it’s never happened.
It's the Chicago Blackhawks man...
I'm concerned
that Niemi might turn into Chris(?) Mason – stellar when he was with CBJ but really sucked after that when he played with STL.
"It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man." - Jeremy Roenick
by The Fearless Freep on Jun 14, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
two different goalies
steve mason was a 21 year old wonder in 08-09 winning rookie of the year. he still played for cbj last year only at a much lower level. signs are he’ll bounce back as he’s way young and has a good pedigree.
chris mason was the goalie for the blues (and before that nashville). he’s thrown together some nice hot streaks (08-09 to get the blues into the playoffs and 06-07 (?) for the preds).
Ah...Bach!
Still, didn’t Steve have an off year after doing so well the year before?
"It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man." - Jeremy Roenick
by The Fearless Freep on Jun 14, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Or a Cam Ward
After his Cup year, they signed him for big bucks and he is a no show now.
Maybe a good thing the Hawks are in this position with teh cap. Need to cautiously sign players.
"You didn't think you were just gonna tilt nipple to a bunch of no rank fuzz butts did you?
by thepuckstopshere31 on Jun 14, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
this is my main point with him
Huet played a ton of games this year, and if you look at the goalies who really ran out of steam down the stretch, Leighton aside (i’m thinking Brodeur, Lu, Nabokov,etc…) they were goalies who put in FULL seasons.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 14, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not saying he doesn't need work.
They all need to improve. Even Keith could use some work on his happy hands sometimes.
Holy Crap!
The biggest thing Niemi has to prove in my mind
is that he’s got the stamina to #1 a team for the whole season. He basically only played the back half this year, and while he was good for us, I’d still like to see him take the #1 position with some sort of veteran backup who is content to be a backup and a mentor, but who will be good for 35-ish games on the season, so that Nemo has a chance to work more slowly up to taking a large share of the games.
Goalies tend to peak in their thirties, so he’s still got a couple of years of improvements left, and he already looked like a different goalie in the playoffs than he did at the beginning of the year. I like the idea of the 2-year contract while we figure out what we really have on our hands, in the roughly 2M range, which gives us a chance to buy out Huet, and still be sitting under where we are now. I don’t like the idea of trying to slip Huet past waivers. With the Hawks picking up half his salary, he’d be a pretty good deal for some team that needs help between the posts.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 14, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions
If Huet were to be picked up on waivers
I understand that we’d be paying half of his salary but would it count against the cap?
Insert huge 'my understanding of cap physics is not complete' clause
As I understand it, yes. The part that we have to pay would still count against cap. I’m not a cap expert, though, so there could be nuances there that I’m missing.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 14, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
If Huet were to be picked up on waivers
Teams claiming a players being sent down on waivers are responsible for the players entire contract.
Teams claiming a player going through re-entry waivers back into the league can pick up the player for half his salary.
After the season the players in the minors don’t have to go through any waivers to rejoin the team. But all one way contracts that are being resent to the minors do have to go through waivers again…
I didn't think Niemi
played all that great during the SC Finals. I’m not ripping on him but I don’t think he’s proven enough. I think Niemi may have benefited from poor marksmanship by the Flyers. Also he may have beaten a couple of high priced goalies (Luongo & Nabokov) but he also beat out a 5.625 million dollar goalie for the starting job.
I think with a little more work (especially on rebound control) he’ll be a decent starting goalie but with the cap situation being what it is, I don’t expect the Hawks to offer him anymore than 2 – 2.5 million per year.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
Niemi's standout games
Were definitely not in the SCF, but he did enough to get us four Ws. I’m down with the 2 yr/$2 Mil plan. Now where’s my pen? I’ll just draw this up and…oh damn.
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
SOMEONE GET TALON..UHHHH I MEAN BOWMAN ON THE PHONE STAT!!!!
let him know this is the LINE!!!! HAHA
Drink it up!
In Stanley we trust! 34,38,61, and finally 2010!!!
I think Nemo is more of a priority than Hammer
…maybe…I don’t know. Here’s my reasoning.
First and foremost, who is ready to be called up to the big show, and who can they replace? It’s unlikely that the organ-I-zation would start Huet, and Crawford is probably as big, or bigger, of a question mark than Nemo was at the beginning of the season. He don’t really have someone that is ready to replace Niemi, and we won’t be able to pick up someone in free agency. I think (hope) Nemo will only get better, because there are some clear things he needs to improve on, but he has an excellent mindset (at least according to what we hear from Hawks players and coaches) to be a long-term goalie at the NHL level NOW, and that shouldn’t be overlooked.
So, who is ready to make the jump up to the big boy roster? Beach? We’ve all wondered whether or not he can do what Buff does. Despite some of his off ice stuff, he’s shown that his work ethic on the ice is legit. Can this guy be Buff, not just in the playoffs, but all year? I don’t know, but I think we’re about to find out.
What about Bickell? Not flashy, but solid. Performed well every time he was given a shot. I think he’s a lock to be up here next year.
Skille? He was also solid, when called upon. Is he better than Hammer? At this point I would have to give a resounding “hell no,” but he doesn’t suck, and given the cap situation, I think he’ll be up in Chicago taking some D-man’s roster spot.
I hate our salary cap.
by HawkInExile on Jun 14, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure I understand your reasoning.
You’re talking about forwards taking Hammer’s roster spot – who is playing D? Our farm system seems to be substantially weaker at D than at forward. A defenseman like Hammer is far more important to me with that in mind than our goalie situation. We have Crawford and Huet if things can’t get worked out with Niemi. Not saying they are the best answer, but they are better than the options we have at D.
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I started with one point
but got off on a tangent and started thinking more globally about players who could move up. Admittedly, I have no idea how the players I mentioned would impact the cap, so I’m kind of talking out my ass.
by HawkInExile on Jun 14, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh? We have forwards to spare. I wouldn't be shocked if we traded Skille.
We far weaker on D, and Hammer is a 23-year-old who isn’t even starting to hit his prime yet. We’d be crazy to give him up without a fight.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 14, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree.
Especially since Skille has a cap hit of over 1 million, if I remember correctly.
Whatcha got there? Words?
by pointmesouth on Jun 14, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Skille is an RFA
his Cap hit was $1.275 mil (due to bonuses) but his salary was “only” $875k
To resign him would take a qualifying offer of about $918,750
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i expect teams will be asking for Skille in any package deal
he’s very developable…at least over the next couple years.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 14, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I was just the right level of drunk and shaved it right after...
But I did have that twinge of pain as all the hair came off.
Also, my decision to not post on SCH until after the playoffs were over worked wonderfully. Superstition? I don’t think so.
I trimmed after I got home Wednesday night
But I kept I swept most of it up from the sink and put it in a plastic baggie as a keepsake. Gross?
yes, thats
odd to say the least
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 13, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
That sounds like something Duncan Keith would be obsessed with.
Italian beefs >> Cheesesteak
Regardless of the Series outcome, Chicago dominates on the important points.
I was going to say it sounded like a serial killer's trophy
but yours works, too.
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
Just read the OT thread at St. Louis Game Time
That was so fucking entertaining. You can feel their rage coming off the screen. Thanks for the recommendation.
by hawkswin!hawkswin! on Jun 13, 2010 11:20 PM CDT reply actions
A lot of Patrick Kane
is a punk/bitch/ass/pussy
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 13, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I can understand the Kane hate
But I was more surprised that some of them thought Captain Serious was not deserving of the Conn Smythe. Granted his scoring dropped off in the finals but you can’t argue with his points total and his faceoffs percentage was highest in the playoffs, I believe. Plus I kind of take it for granted that as much as other hockey fans hate Kane, most of them have tremendous respect for Toews.
by hawkswin!hawkswin! on Jun 13, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm guessing their opinion of Tazer was colored by their hate for the Hawks.
After all, they were also rooting for Pronger to score the game winner. That’s just wrong.
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by Preacher000 on Jun 13, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
the only other three people who could have gotten it
Keith, Niemi, Briere, but Tazer was strong in all rounds, on the scoresheet and off
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 13, 2010 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I still think
Bolland could have gotten it.
by stanfordron on Jun 14, 2010 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions
If it were measured by performance over expectations
Weapon would’ve won it, hands down. Well, Buff could’ve given him a run for his money. But Bolland’s contribution was huge (C&B has an article about the numbers of all the opposing top-line centers we faced — they were all minus players in our series).
I wouldn't quote C&B's research when discussing Bolland
they’ve pretty much made it their life’s mission to prove that Bolland’s contributions were highly overrated as he was bitchslapped in every round except the Vancouver series.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 14, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions
That's what makes that article so interesting
They almost admit that they were wrong! It’s kind of telling, how the results differed from what their scoring chance analysis was saying.
I commented in that thread that part of it has to be the fact that Bolland was taking over 70% of his draws in the defensive zone. When you add to that the fact that he lost most of those, it’s pretty obvious that he’d get outchanced — making the fact that he was outscoring his opponents even more remarkable.
I’d say something about playing with Marlboro 72 being a big reason for that, but they also cite that their QoT (quality of teammates) stat as being low as well. Then again, I think this is a limitation of QoT because I think that’s determined by Corsi too, and considering who they were facing, it’s not surprising the results would end up that way.
I took from it
that Antti Niemi was important than anything Bolland did.
To me, Bolland should be one of the most expendable Hawks this summer along with Sopel and Versteeg.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 14, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
more important, that is
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 14, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
His line scored enough
to make some pretty intimidating top lines become minus players. Niemi gave them a chance, but he wasn’t the one doing the scoring.
Looking at who else it could’ve been — Biscuit did pretty well, and certainly D2K has had some offensive flair. Ladd brought some presence but this continued when Buff was on that line.
That leaves Bolland and Versteeg. I think both of them had a much better performance this playoffs than anyone gives them credit for. You’re going to get outchanced when you start out with the other team having possession in your own zone all the time. To take that and score a bunch of goals is huge.
I think the argument is
if you receive top-notch goaltending, most capable NHL players will become plus players. You can keep saying he started off in his defensive zone all those times, but he was atrocious at face-offs and that certainly didn’t help matters.
I’m not arguing Bolland and Versteeg weren’t important. All I’m saying is the only question we need to ask is “Was Dave Bolland more valuable than Patrick Sharp or Dustin Byfuglien?”
The answer is no, imho.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 14, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
How about Toews being a minus player in the finals?
Does that mean that Leighton outplayed Niemi, but only while Toews was on the ice?
No
it was because the Briere line was that good against him in the first 4 games. Plus, Niemi wasn’t any great shakes.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 14, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Bolland's line was no slouch
He was on the ice for 8 out of the 25 goals scored by the Hawks in the series (scoring 3 of them himself). So, for all the talk about being a checking line, they did their part offensively. Given his lack of PP time, I wonder if Versteeg’s numbers are even higher.
I don’t think Coach Q would’ve kept sending him out to lose faceoffs in the defensive zone if it wasn’t working. The results speak to that. The reason why I’m reacting to the reaction (Bolland = overrated) to all the media stories about the Rat (Bolland = omg awsum) is because I don’t think people are looking at his scoring. They’re just saying, oh, he didn’t really shut down other top lines as much as you think — but my response is, does it matter, if he outscores them?
I’m not saying that Bolland deserved the Conn Smythe. I’d agree that Sharp was more important, and at least for the middle two series, Buff was at least as big a factor. But for a guy with his scoring talent (I know, it may not materialize — but you pay for a combination of past results and projected results), ability to play center, and be quite effective on the PK, you have to give him his due. All due respect to Niemi, Dave Bolland was good because of Dave Bolland.
Well, and Keith, Seabrook, Versteeg, and Ladd.
You and I need to catch up during the summer
and try to figure out what’s wrong with the scoring chance analysis. Because it doesn’t jive with what we saw on the ice, and it doesn’t jive with who won games.
I have a sneaking suspicion that something in the math is awry, but I haven’t put my finger on it yet. Maybe that’s my project for the doldrums between draft and October.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 14, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
It's the zone start
He’s taking draws in the defensive zone and losing them. How can you get scoring chances off that? Given that his line outscored their opponents, their conversion rate on those chances must be astronomical.
Look at it this way. Bolland = 130 pt player in the minors. Versteeg is an underrated two-way player but we generally think of him as a scorer. The other guys they played with are versatile, not just checking-line types — Kop, Ladd, Buff. These guys can score.
As people like to say: sometimes the best defense is a strong offense.
what’s wrong with the scoring chance
I’ve been looking into the C&B scoring chances and yes I have all kinds of problems with what they are doing over there.
I’ll try to put a fanpost up eventually but I wouldn’t take what they are doing on faith…
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by chiblackhawks on Jun 15, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we're pretty much in agreement
The overrated talk is silly and so is the Bolland=awsum. I was just pointing out the analysis of Bolland’s game on C&B which you were well aware of.
What’s really starting to burn my hide is all this talk about how Sharp is the most obvious to be traded because he’s so good. ???
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 14, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
It’s serious cost/benefit analysis on the matter of Sharp. In my mind, all man crushes aside, while shedding that cap hit would be beneficial, the return value of any trade involving Sharp does not warrant him being moved. The Hawks don’t have any prospects in the pipeline that can do what he does, namely play 5 of the top 6 forward positions, and play them well.Furthermore, while there are worse ways for other teams to spend their money, Sharp’s cap hit would escalate for another team if he were moved, as the remaining years on his deal give him incremental bumps in salary.
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by McClure on Jun 14, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
His cap hit is 3.9 regardless if he gets moved
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 14, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
In a trade, the remainder of a deal is pro-rated to the team receiving the player. With cap hits of 4.1 and 4.2 left, any team taking him on would be 4.15. It’s only a marginal increase, but an increase nonetheless.
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Find that in the CBA and you can call me a liar
Otherwise, cap hits don’t change.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 14, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
http://nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=CHI&season=0910
Look at Johnsson’s cap hit of 1.483. If it were the same regardless of trades, it would have been far higher. That’s how the Hawks were able to trade for him with Barker, who’s hit was about half of what it was Johnsson’s was with Minny. Same deal with Pahlsson the year previous.
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It's pro-rated when a trade is made mid-season
however, if a trade is made prior to the season starting, a player’s cap hit is his cap hit.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 14, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
that very line item indicates that Cap is stable despite trades
Johnsson’s salary for this season was $5.3 million but he carried a Cap number of $4.850.
The $1.483 proration to the Hawks was 59/193 times the $4.850 figure (the fraction ws 59 days of the 193 day regular season that Johnsson was with the Hawks).
If the Cap number had been refigured with the trade – his proration would have been $1.62 million
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I'm just glad you guys understand all this Cap crap.
I’ll just sit on the sidelines and see where we wind up next fall.
I'll sit next to you
I understand bits and pieces of it, but not enough to hold an educated conversation about it. My theory is the team will make the necessary trades and I hope my favorites are still here next year, but we will all just have to wait and see.
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by thepuckstopshere31 on Jun 14, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Cap hit remains constant over the life of the contract - regardless of trades
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i see your point
but to me there’s also some consideration to what other teams want. they know we have to shed pay roll like a molting bird, and that may mean they drive a hard bargain if push comes to shove. and LOTS of teams would want Sharp.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 14, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
But those are contradictory
Yes, we are desperate. But if there is a lot of demand, it drives the price up, too.
Of course, that doesn’t exactly help our chances of keeping guys in general.
i think the faceoffs were also a bit misleading
many of our best games were where we had less than remarkable faceoffs stats. i kind of chalked that up to “hey we lost the face, but we forced a turnover shortly thereafter….” and did that pretty often.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 14, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
give them their due
Briere’s line was remarkable and single-handedly kept the Flyers in the series.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 14, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Briere was on the ice for
Game 1: 3/5
Game 2: 0/1
Game 3: 3/4
Game 4: 1/5
Game 5: 3/4
Game 6: 3/3
Total: 13/22
of the Flyers goals. Wow.
EXACTLY
they essentially forced a game six with Briere, Leino, Hartnell, Pronger, Timonen….and a bunch of guys in support
by puppetmasterp on Jun 14, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
With 4 years left
at 3.375 million per year I think Bolland should be one of the first to go. With Seabrook becoming an RFA after next season, I’d much rather plan for that money to be used up to help sign him than keep Bolland.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
Bolland probably isn't going anywhere
Are you guys taking into account that we are way deeper at wing than we are at center? So if Madden is gone, and we get rid of Bolland as you are proposing, where do we go from there?
I honestly believe Sharp would be dealt before Bolland (and it’s not based on talent), but I also think Buff and/or steeg would be dealt before Sharp.
Ditto for CNS
Agreed on Bolly being a valued center.
I don’t see Sharp moving for the same reason, though. He transitioned into the kind of center that was getting production with Hossa, one of our most valued and locked-in assets. Sharpie’s versatile and has proven he can play productively with Hossa? In my book, that says we try really hard to keep him.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 14, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Not based on talent?
Then what will the Hawks be basing their decisions on? Madden was a fourth line center. Jake Dowell or Colin Fraser should fill that role pretty well.
You can find a third line center for a far cheaper price than Dave Bolland’s and a lesser contract length. Unless, of course, you’re willing to hedge your bets on a 23 year-old coming off major back surgery.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 14, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Bolland was always projected as a #2 center
the back surgery sidelined his development – but we saw him progressively get better as the comback went on.
I don’t recall him being that bad at faceoffs before the surgery – and would expect faceoffs to be one of the last things to come back into place after (along with the offensive touch, which improved steadily as time went on).
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 14, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
indeed - but other than his surgery downtime, he has been on the projected arc
and ashis rehab has progressed, he seems to be getting back to where he left off before
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I thought sometimes
he was just more interested in something other than winning the face – such as tripping his opponent afterward when the ref was not looking
by stanfordron on Jun 14, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't believe a professional center
would not be very interested in winning face offs. That’s a little silly to think about.
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
winning the face
It’s not only hard to win face offs with a bad back it is hard to practice winning faceoffs with a bad back.
Your going to have to see what happens next year to determine Bollland’s future faceoff ability…
Or maybe
he was concentrating on getting into a guy’s head so the guy would slash him before the puck even was dropped and take a bad, key penalty
I'm sure he was thinking about that
but not to the exclusion of his centering responsibilities. Both are a part of his game, I can’t see him thinking mind games are more important than defensive zone draws.
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Sharp getting traded before bolland is based on a lot of things
….and not talent related.
1) Sharp’s contract is more tradeable than Bolland’s
2) Bolland’s recent surgery makes him less tradeable than Sharp
3) Bolland is younger
4) Do we even know if Sharp wants to be our 2nd line center for the next 1/2 decade (assuming he’s resigned if we keep him)? He’s been a good soldier, but he’s not shy about saying he prefers the wing.
Ditto for CNS
I haven't heard Sharp breathe a word about preferring the wing since last season.
I’d find it highly unlikely he’d rather get traded and play wing than stay on the Hawks as a center.
It’s a no-brainer in my world. You keep the better player.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 14, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you're reading my comments wrong
I’m not saying I’d rather have Bolland than Sharp, I’m just saying that I think it’s more likely that Sharp gets dealt.
Ditto for CNS
And I'm just saying your reasons are arbitrary.
You keep the better player.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 14, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
so you don't think what the team gets in return
is going to be a factor when discussing moving Buff, Steeg, Sharp,or Bolland?
You’re making it seem like teams are going to be lining up to take Bolland’s remaining 4 years at 3.4mil per. I’m not sure if this is the case or not.
I just think you’re making it more cut and dry than it is. Sure “you keep the better player” sounds easy enough if teams are interested in both players.
Ditto for CNS
I thought I remembered something
where he hinted at it, but he’s never said it explicitly. For what it’s worth I found this:
Sharp is asked often about preferring wing over center but never takes the bait. His teammates, however, tend to "out" him. Brian Campbell said Monday on “The Afternoon Saloon” on ESPN 1000 that Sharp has told him he likes wing better. Sharp’s response?With stuff like this, of course I hope we keep him. I’m pretty sure we’d all rather keep him over Bolland if we had to make a choice.
"My teammates are idiots," Sharp joked. "They really don’t know what they’re talking about. I really don’t care. It doesn’t matter."
I think what he meant is
of course I’d rather play my natural position, but if continuing to win shiny silver things means I have to play center, then point me to the friggin’ face-off dot, my friend.
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yeah sharpie contributes a lot off the ice as well
I’d think buff would be one of the first to leave, of course ladd would be easy too..you just don’t need to sign him, and we have a lot of wingers
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by desertindian on Jun 14, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
With Bickell & Beach
at the minor league level, Buff will probably be the first to go. I’d rather not see Bolland go, but like I stated above the 4 year hit is too long when you look at the big picture. The Hawks have to open multi-year cap space for Seabrook.
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Not deep enough at centre to do that
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by blackhawk24 on Jun 14, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I could see Keith, Niemi or maybe Buff getting the MVP
Buff because he had flashy goals at the right moments (what was it? 5 game winners?).
Niemi because he came in as a total unknown and was brilliant in flashes when the team needed him to be.
Keith because he was an absolute rock out there, total consistency.
I think Capt. Serious got it because he had a combination of flash and total consistency. And on both offense and the D.
Just so long as it was a guy wearing the four feathers.
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by Preacher000 on Jun 14, 2010 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions
In some ways
I thought it was almost an individual award cast as a team award. I actually thought Konerko would get the WS MVP when they won it for the same reason. Toews is the heart and soul of this team.
Of course, you can go the tin-foil route and say it’s a conspiracy to make our capocalypse that much more painful.
Yeah, and I thought
Soriano would get it in ’08 when the Cubs won the World Series.
Italian beefs >> Cheesesteak
Regardless of the Series outcome, Chicago dominates on the important points.
Capt. Serious also gets a bonus
from the Blackhawks for recieving the Conn Smyth. I believe it is in excess of $1 million
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by thepuckstopshere31 on Jun 14, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
$1.3M and it may count against the 10-11...
cap since they were close to over the cap in 09-10.
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by blackhawk24 on Jun 14, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
may count against the 10-11...
Ok, here is my question on that. The Hawks had three players on long term disability. You are allowed to go over the cap to handle that situation. I’m not sure what the “top level” salary cap was for the Hawks this year.
I’m thinking Mr Bowman jr. took that into account and I’m not sure what carryover there will be for next year…
I believe I heard on the Score
yesterday that it would’t count against the cap because it was in his contract. But I have been wrong before!
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by thepuckstopshere31 on Jun 14, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
there is a logic fail there somewhere
all bonuses are in the player’s contract (they are permitted to pay them otherwise).
performance bonuses do count against the Cap, and the Hawks were right at (to over) Cap as it was. So I am assuming it will ding us next season.
One of the Toronto papers noted that the Hawks various bonuses put them $4 million over Cap for this year – to be subtracted from next year. We are looking at an estimated @2 increase in the general Cap figure – which appears to leave the Hawks with $2 million less than last year to work with.
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$4 million over Cap for this year
Again, I think their Top level cap this year is actually higher then other teams due to having players on long term injuries. The numbers you are getting from the Internet are generic not specific to each team…
Good points
Cap expert please! Paging a cap expert!
I have no idea how LTIR affects this. If anyone should know it’s Stan, right? He’s the guy here to fix Dale’s cap mistakes.
Just win the next game...!
LTIR is an in one season matter
we won’t have carry over into next season on it
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LTIR
LTIR I think only helps keep the bonuses out of the bonus cushion.
If the cap is extended at the time of the long term injuries to cover those costs, then for these considerations, you have to take those salaries off of the standard top level salary cap. If that is the case then there isn’t a carryover from this season to next in salaries…
Wasn't Stan the cap guru
before becoming GM?
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
let's hope he worked at the post office in his past too
by blackhawkeyes on Jun 14, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
that's what gets me:
as Assistant GM, shouldn’t HE have been responsible for mailing stuff rather than Dale? Or even some minion somewhere. everyone blames Dale, but it just seems odd to me that the GM of an NHL franchise is responsible for stamps.
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
definitely. I just don't get how that happened.
sending out the offers seems like a high priority for the entire front office, and I can’t believe no one was really checking up and making sure everything was on track. Even an intern could have been like “dudes, July 1. get on it”
by blackhawkeyes on Jun 14, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
odd to me that the GM of an NHL franchise is responsible for stamps.
Actually, I’m assuming some secretary messed up mailing the offer sheets. The GM is ultimately responsible for everything that happens, though.
To me, Dale was let go because of the change in philosophy needed in the new salary cap era. It’s not do I want this guy cause he can help the team win at any costs. It’s will the guy help the team in the ratio that he counts against the cap?
I agree with your reasons for his dismissal for the most part
It just baffles me when people actually blame Dale for the RFA snafu. Of course everything is ultimately the GM’s responsibility, as any boss he is responsible for the work of his employees, but it sometimes seems like people actually think he didn’t mail them on time himself.
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I was there.
Dale stood at the mailbox, getting ready to send then was like, “ya know what, I’ll wait a weekend”.
soooooo totally his fault. Everything.
well, why the hell
didn’t you grab them out of his hands and throw them in the mailbox?! ahnfire, I’m disappoitned in you.
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
i agree, also it seems like it was part of mcdonough
changing the guard….savard got let go when the hawks had a slow start..and quennville was picked up that offseason as a scouting talent…so you know the pres was looking for a time to replace savi, i think the same was with tallon, i think John honestly wanted stan to eventually take over for tallon, the RFA snafu just gave him the opening
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by desertindian on Jun 14, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
the main difference I see with savvy
Is that the switch was necessary. Savard was too much of a friend to be the coach. I think lot of people probably recognized a different coach was needed to take the team to the next level. It’s like Gretzky in Phoenix, sometimes gret players don’t make great coaches.
Tallon on the other hand seemed like a change made to give the Bowmans more control. Not really needed, but something a few guys wanted for a changing of the guard, as you said
by blackhawkeyes on Jun 14, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Toews epitomizes MVP:
he makes every single player on the ice with him better.
I wouldn’t have had a beef with Buff, Keith or Niemi, but I think the stronger argument over all others is Capt Serious.
Our Cup.
not entirely true
they admit they are bitter, and i admit they know a LOT about being bitter. In fact, they “out bitter” me, and I have held that prize for a LONG time among most people I know.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 14, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
what really baffles me is the "Kane was useless in the Olympics" thing
because without him, we would’ve been shut out in the gold medal game.
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not to mention
that a major component of Canada’s defensive strategy was to cover the fuck out of Kane. I mean Foley even mentioned that Canada’s defense was right through him when asking if it was weird to have Duncs and Seabs go after him.
it's entirely possible this isn't sarcasm
"Kane was useless in the Olympics" thing
I think the Americans had the same problems dealing with Kane that Chicago has. He is such a unique player that who you play with him (especially at center) really matters. Toews adjusts his game when he plays with Kane. Didn’t see anybody on the American team that could duplicate that.
That other American forward had a little bit of similar issues, but he had a linemate from his NHL team on the squad…
I thought this too
but someone pointed out that it’s not just the other guys who have to adjust their games for Kane; he needs to adjust a little for them, too.
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Kane; he needs to adjust a little for them, too.
Yea but exactly how is he supposed to do that? He is a little guy playing center from the RW spot. It’s not like he can become 4 inches taller and gain 40 pounds to adjust to a different responsibility.
His American teammates
weren’t used to him holding the puck so long, for one thing. He could’ve adjusted that, and I’m sure other small facets of his game that my ignorant eyes aren’t aware of. Heck, he may even have done some of that stuff. It’s a lot easier for 1 person to adjust than 20.
I certainly don’t think, and never said, he should’ve attempted to change his size and play a different game. Just make small adjustments.
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
And that adjustment is hard to do with one day of practice
And why he and Toews (and our D, he mentioned missing having them as options on the ice) are awesome together. Sharp and Ladd played with him well enough in 5&6, but they obviously have more experience with him to begin with.
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Actually, I personally think Sharp and Kane
have more chemistry together than Kane and Toews.
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Toews-Hossa gets me excited
I wonder if this makes sense since Kane is a winger who plays like a center and Sharpie is a center who’s a natural winger.
Maybe, that's a good thought
I always liked them together when they played with Toews too.
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Toews - Hossa
with almost anybody else on skates is going to give most other teams absolute living nightmares most shifts. And as noted before with absolutely no exaggeration, I believe they could kill a 5-2 penalty situation if they absolutely had to — maybe without ever leaving the other team’s zone.
Interestingly, I think when you have DDN + Hossa, you have the rare situation where the combo is LESS than the sum of the parts. You get more bang for your buck putting Kane with players at the next level down, talent-wise, because they will get more chances (once they learn to play with 88) while opponents try to chase him around.
Our Cup.
I tend to agree,
but sometimes it seems like Sharp waits for Kane to make a play while he’s at the goal. I’d love to see Sharp play the game he plays without Kane, while he is with Kane. That was really confusing, but hopefully someone here gets what I’m going for.
I do like Toews and Kane though too, they just have an awareness for each other. I like them on the PP
by blackhawkeyes on Jun 14, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree Sharp waits for Kane
to set up the play which I think he does less without Kane. I completely understood what you said. :)
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Spot on. Sharpie doesn’t move around without the puck as much when Kane has it, Kane has spoiled him with those perfect tape to tape passes!
"They've done studies you know, 60% of the time it works Everytime."
by anActiveStick on Jun 14, 2010 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I completely agree
It even goes back to last year when 19-10-88 was a line for a while. 10 and 88 seem to have a thing (Day of Our Offense?). I hope they can be paired together next year (and then Toews can be on a line with Hossa).
how sick is it that we have 2 #1 lines,
that just about any team in the NHL would kill for?
by blackhawkeyes on Jun 14, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's wait till next season...
before saying that again.
"Lord Stanley's new address is Sweet Home Chicago!"
by DetroitSucks! on Jun 14, 2010 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, Toews and Kane know each other so well that they form a single unit
when they play together. None of the other Americans seemed quite sure how to use him to best potential. Which isn’t to say he wasn’t effective, he and Parise shared ‘most effective US forward’ duties in the Olympics as far as I’m concerned, but they certainly didn’t deploy him to best advantage, the way the Hawks do.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 14, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't understand how anyone can say he was useless...
he got off to a slow start, but finished strong against Finland and Canada
Ditto for CNS
I was going to make that comment too.
He wound up huge by the end of the Olympics. I just don’t understand all of the Kane haters. He’s only 21 years old. Some of his immature antics are because HE’S NOT MATURE YET. OK, I’ll quit ranting.
my perception was that he was really hopping from the start
but took a little time to jell with teammates’ styles
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I was gloating when scum lost last year
So I can’t begrudge them their hate
by hawkswin!hawkswin! on Jun 13, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Mr. Dirt is right: the St. Louis OT thread is pretty hilarious
if you like seeing people writhing in pain. The anger is amazing.
The Chicago Blackhawks -- 2010 Stanley Cup Champions!!!!!!
"I can't stop crying and laughing." Preacher
My favorite
2 comments up and 2 minutes before the GWG:
can i just say
i hate the fucking quick whistle in the NHL
heh
Italian beefs >> Cheesesteak
Regardless of the Series outcome, Chicago dominates on the important points.
almost... ALMOST as good as the FtF comment before the Boyle own-goal
“Who are you guys picking to end this? I’m going Boyle.”
that one comment
is how i learned to specify all the wishes i post here…..
by puppetmasterp on Jun 14, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Think about it though...
The Blues suck, the Rams suck and if you’re not a Red Birds fan and you’re living in ST. LOUIS, you have to generate as much will as possible from slashing your wrists in the most heinous fashion…!
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jun 14, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Wherever we go from here
…I’m coming along, every mile of the way. I love this bus and all the people on it!
"Eighty-five percent of the fuckin' world's working. The other fifteen come out here." - Lee Elia
by TenMinuteMisconduct on Jun 13, 2010 11:33 PM CDT reply actions
Reading that OT thread was incredible
I can’t wait to go to St. Louis for a Cubs/Cardinals series wearing my Hawks cap. Every time someone heckles me at Busch (which isn’t often) I’ll just point to my Hawks hat and say “Thanks for drafting Eric Johnson!”
What about the possibility of packaging Huet and Versteeg in a deal? Make it so that if a team wants Steeg they have to take Huet., similar to how the Marlins made the Red Sox take Mike Lowell in order to get Josh Beckett.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
"He has a gift. And his gift is Mario Kart." Troy Brouwer talking about Niklas Hjalmarsson, the day before the Chicago Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup.
by Curtain Jerker on Jun 13, 2010 11:46 PM CDT reply actions
That OT thread
was a life-sized chunk of incredible.
by CraftyLefty2126 on Jun 14, 2010 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
It's possible..
I’d also say Sopel is a likely candidate to be packaged together with someone like Versteeg. Sopel’s contract is a lot easier to take and right now he’s probably a lot more attractive for some teams rather than the headcase that is Huet.
Please note that’s the only time someone has called Sopel attractive.
Second City Hockey
June 9, 2010
I'm just not sure Sopel ought to be dealt.
Given his value against the Cap hit, and his replacement cost (what competent D cost these days) he isn’t that urgent to move.
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Confusion will be my epitaph.
It's a 2.33 cap that can, almost certainly, be cleared entirely off the cap.
He can fetch a mid-round draft pick and gives you some room to manuever. 5th d-men cannot take up that much cap space on a cap-strapped team.
FifthFeather.com
by El Duque's Raft on Jun 14, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, Boynton was a $1.5 million guy
I would rather have Sopel at $2.33 Cap hit than Boynton (or equivilant) at $1.5 million
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The Hawks don't really have that luxury
Sopel was found on the scrap heap. Get your scouts out there and find a veteran who will play for the minimum. Hendry, Lalonde, or oompa loompa Connelly can nab the 6th spot.
FifthFeather.com
by El Duque's Raft on Jun 14, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
actually i don't think it is
the only time someone has called Sopel attractive….if i’m remembering a few GDTs correctly….
But yes, i agree he’s gone as part of a package trade. i mean, who wouldn’t want a 2nd goalie on the ice during a PK?
by puppetmasterp on Jun 14, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I trimmed my beard
I didn’t shave it off because I had the beard before the playoffs even started.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
My beard is gone unfortunately
But man was that rally crazy. You wanna hear about an experience check this out (http://feeldapaign.com/2010/06/12/mayhem-on-michigan-avenue/)
Feel Da Paign Sports Blog
http://feeldapaign.com/
i transformed my beard
into a horse-shoe mustache, but after my fiance saw it…..we laughed and ten mins later i was a baby face…GO HAWKS.
This is pretty funny
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2010/06/11/pronger_slur_photograph/
Lets go Hawks! Detroit Sucks!
I watched this just recently
And for the first time I shed a tear. I was so happy when we won the cup and even when I saw this video a few days ago, I didn’t get teary-eyed, but watching the last few seconds of the video, seeing everybody posing for the team picture and seeing the joy on everyone’s face, realizing that some of these Hawks won’t be here next year, I shed a tear.
I'd forgotten that our "congrats on the cup" background
Made mobile.sch.com illegible. Black text on a dark grey background. Oh SBN.
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by shinkicker on Jun 14, 2010 7:08 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I can't read the site on my phone anymore either
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I'm hoping they take it down sooner than later
Because there’s a reason I prefer the mobile version on my phone. The full site takes forever to load. (I do like having new comments highlighted though)
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Iphone and no, no Z key
No keyboard unless I’m in a text box
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Oh, right
I wonder if it’d work on a Droid. I’m thinking about getting the Droid 2 when it comes out.
Still can't see the site
Reading black letters on a black backround makes my eyes hurt
2009-2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Chicago Blackhawks
I meant the "z" key on the full site
I thought shin switched to www. instead of mobile. in order to view…
I did indeed
can’t work an 8 hour day without some entertainment. It’s weird though, I have my mobile viewing skills down pat, this full site is strange.
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when's Droid2 set to come out?
i’m considering the same
by puppetmasterp on Jun 14, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Shaved Thursday morning
hung over, ended up being not such a good idea. Just about cut off a mole on my cheek. The fuckin thing won’t stop bleeding. Got a hair cut Saturday morning, haven’t drank since the clincher on Wednesday night. Today, Monday I feel I am now totally out of the man cave. A bit sad that it is all over but, we can hopefully do it again next year!
"You didn't think you were just gonna tilt nipple to a bunch of no rank fuzz butts did you?
by thepuckstopshere31 on Jun 14, 2010 7:42 AM CDT reply actions
I shaved most of my beard
now I’m left with the Jim Rome (I have dark/short hair)…meh, whatever, fuck it…I can’t completely part with the beard yet.
Am I the only one who didn’t give a damn about Burish’s comments? I mean, that’s him. No filter. He’s caught up in the moment of being on a championship team, the entire team hated Pronger, and he was just the one to voice it publicly. Yeah, of course, you’re not going to hear the same thing from Toews or Keith, or perhaps even Buff. But, ya know, I thought Badger was the right guy to tell Pronger in so many words, “You lost. Fuck off buddy”.
And I know, Burish isn’t half the player Pronger is, blah blah, I get it…but Pronger ran his mouth and did plenty of douchey things. So, Burish calling him an idiot and getting chastised for it? I don’t get it. Pronger doesn’t get a pass because he’s Pronger.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Had Pronger done/said anything after the game
I’d be shaking my head at Burwood a lot less. As it is, it looks like sore winning and proof that he was in their heads.
Anyone else think it’d be hilarious if some how he ended up a flyer?
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Your boys certainly aren't lacking in personality
I think the rest of the team would end up tossing them both in the Delaware.
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Not bent out of shape about it, it's just...
Why? There’s no reason at all for those comments. Game’s over. Hawks won. We’re all happy. Burish didn’t even play for the last 3 games.
I get it. It probably just slipped out. Burish is all happy, some dude asks him some shit and he just spouts that off the cuff. Fine, whatever. But it was still completely unnecessary, and honestly I’d expect the guy to have a little bit more restraint.
I still love the dude, but Pronger absolutely owned him with the counterpunch.
It's the Chicago Blackhawks man...
The Indian hangs his head...
Absolutely moronic comment. He represented the Indian poorly on that one. Making matters worse, he didn’t even dress in half the Finals games. Last but not least, if Burish punched Pronger in the face he would get the living shit kicked out of him after Pronger was done laughing.
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
The word Douche comes to mind
regarding Burish that is.
League minimum at best is the offer he should get
Holy Crap!
Now, I’m not saying “Yaaaaaaay Burish! You tell that mean ol’ Pronger what’s up!” I still think it was a little bit sore winner-ish, but since it was directed at Pronger, I don’t care. If it was directed at someone like Richards or the Flyers team in general, yeah, that would be completely uncalled for.
I guess I just think it was the right Hawk directing it at the right opponent.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Way over played, IMO
I’m not just saying this because of the Badger thing, but I can’t believe how upset everyone is over his comments about Prongwad. It was just said off the cuff and with a big smile on his face, tongue in cheek. Everyone around the country is all up in arms over the “is gay” on the white board. Geeze, people don’t have enough to worry about I guess. Whatever.
White board thing is just absurd.
Getting mad at that is unfathomable to me.
It’s a bunch of kids in a locker room for fucks sake.
It's the Chicago Blackhawks man...
I don't care either
That’s what Burish does. It’s not like he said anything that wasn’t true. I know, take the high road, etc. etc. Pronger got away with a lot of shit during this series; if he’d been at all a respectful, decent player, I would be bothered. It’s not like any of our stars can say the shit that Burish did.
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah it's just Burish being Burish...
but when John McDonough has the players practice interviews, coaches them on PR tactics and wants them being respectful and classy in front of the camera, you know those words coming out of Burish’s mouth was the last thing he wanted to hear. I agree that that interview just might’ve been the straw that broke the camel’s back as far as Burwood returning next year.
"Lord Stanley's new address is Sweet Home Chicago!"
by DetroitSucks! on Jun 14, 2010 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think that Burish is gone because of these comments
he’s cheap, loves Chicago (because it’s so close to WI), and seems like a great teammate. If he is gone, I think it will be for a different reason than him running his mouth.
by blackhawkeyes on Jun 14, 2010 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Not saying what he said is the sole reason he won't be back next season...
Just saying I don’t think it helped him any, at least not in the front office’s eyes. The players, and most of us fans, could care less and get a laugh out of him. I’m sure we would all love to have him back but I just don’t see room for him on next year’s roster.
"Lord Stanley's new address is Sweet Home Chicago!"
by DetroitSucks! on Jun 14, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
A request....
….any plans for a podcast to wrap up the season? I would love to hear your opinions on what you guys considered highlights/lowlights/turning points of the season, and in general of the whole post season.
"It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man." - Jeremy Roenick
by The Fearless Freep on Jun 14, 2010 8:25 AM CDT reply actions
It’s coming.. McClure just shared the intro he made and needless to say – it’s pretty triumphant.
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June 9, 2010
Wasn't on this board last year but...
Were Hawks fans really calling for the murder of Scum players last year? There’s hate and then there’s posting like that…geez. I have to admit that I would have loved to see some of those Blows fans in person as that goal was scored. I wonder what became of the guy that was on the official Hawks board in October saying that the Blows would have 115 points and the Hawks were going to finish last in the Central?
I miss hockey so much
that I watched game 7 of the 2006 Edmonton-Carolina SCF on NHL Network last night. I really thought the Oilers were going to pull it out at the end.
How can anyone miss hockey right now? I get it if the Hawks had, you know, not just won the Stanley Cup, but they did!
Italian beefs >> Cheesesteak
Regardless of the Series outcome, Chicago dominates on the important points.
How can you not miss watching the Hawks play?
I would be happy if they played together forever.
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I watched Mystery, Alaska on Friday
Because I needed some kind of fix
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It's nice to know I'm not alone on that one
Now I need to go buy Miracle on Ice too so I don’t wear out my Slapshot and Mystery Alaska DVD’s.
How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?
I don't think DVDs wear out
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I must have been having flashbacks to VHS tapes breaking
How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?
They can get scratched and dusty
I got mystery for $4, I love Reckless Records.
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good handling practices can make scratches rather unlikely
and they can be cleaned of dust and such safely
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They do wear out over time, though
Playing them doesn’t do it, but just natural degradation causes the layers to delaminate. So, they’re real durable when handled well, but they don’t last forever.
so whether one plays it or not is largely irrelevant to its longevity, yes?
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I love Miracle.
It’s actually what got me interested in hockey to begin with. I cry every time at a couple spots. The best part to me is that it actually happened!
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I miss watching them play
but not the stress that comes with a playoff run. I’m going to enjoy these few months like no other summer. 3 full months of just smiling whenever my mind slips to hockey and the fact that they won is enough for me right now.
by Chris Roberts on Jun 14, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Guess I just don't want the party to end
That and I had zero recollection of that final and the ’07 finals between the Ducks and the Senators.
It's nice to see
That none of you are having any more luck than I am, kicking the SCH addiction. I love it.
Don't you have to
want to kick the addiction? I have no desire to do that. :)
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
But this is when it starts getting fun, talking about the draft and free agency.
These are some of my favorite times (outside of winning). There will be a lot to post about here in the next several weeks.
by warrenjm2006 on Jun 14, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
that’s why I don’t want to kick my addiction!
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I love my addiction
to SCH!
"It's a game of redeeming features." ~ Bob Murphy
"God said, 'Thou shalt not pass.'" ~ Mookie Wilson
I WAS addicted to SCH...
…but like I said upthread in a post everyone quit reading after the first paragraph, salary/draft stuff is important to know about, but I have no interest whatsoever talking about it. I don’t know why. Am I a bad fan? And I was away from here for most of the playoffs, so I missed out on that.
All I’ve got are some travel/game photos and interesting old stuff to post in fanposts, maybe.
a little chippy: a blog, mostly hockey
I think I speak for a lot of us
when I say I’d love to see of that stuff, if you can afford to post it. As absorbed in the cap stuff as we might get, I’m pretty sure that everybody is going to be tired of it before long. If not on a cliff about it.
I shaved
Thursday evening. That was the first time I’d ever grown facial hair other than my stubble I grow out every couple days. It took a while to get used to it, hell I never got used to it and couldn’t wait to get rid of it. I had my girl take some pre and post pics that I’ll get up sooner or later.
It was so odd having nothing to stress out about this weekend. After the last 2 months of constant ‘OMFG OMFG OMFG’, to have it be over was surreal. I did record the Cup being awarded which was awesome because it went back 17 minutes (must’ve been right at 11pm) to the start of OT. Watched that a couple times this weekend. I cried again
Is Beach going to be stuck like Skille because of his contract?
I’m looking for my Cap printout.
Holy Crap!
I can't find one either
But I think there’s a good chance he’s stuck if my memory serves me correctly. But we have a lot of dominos that will fall before we find out who’s stuck.
by warrenjm2006 on Jun 14, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
In Burish's defense, I'll quote Elliote Friedman from before Game 6 SCF
If I was a Canadian team’s GM, I’d take a long look at Adam Burish. He’s a UFA making $712,500, so he won’t be ridiculously expensive. One day during the Cup Final, he must have done a 30-minute scrum. I asked him if he saw that as important, and he said yes. “I know (Jonathan) Toews doesn’t really like doing it, so if I can go an extra 10 minutes to lighten his load, it helps.” It’s tougher on a daily basis in Canada, but this country’s teams need players like that.
There’s a reason why Burish is beloved in the locker room, and a lot of it has to do with his very willingness to be candid and entertaining with the press. It does help the team when Toews can skiv off early and not get stressed out before a game because Burwood will pick up the slack and stay longer with reporters. Yeah, he probably shouldn’t have spouted off about Pronger, but one mistake over the course of a season where Burish was one of the most media-friendly players is hardly enough to warrant a statement that he’s talking himself off the team.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 14, 2010 9:59 AM CDT reply actions
Concur.
Again, I’ll echo my earlier sentiment: I love the dude.
But, again, come on Burwood… retarded.
It's the Chicago Blackhawks man...
C'mon folks.
She ASKED him about Pronger. What was he supposed to do (remember, this is Adam Burish, not Jonathan Toews), spool out a load of bullshit about Pronger being a great competitor and how someday he’s gonna be in the HOF so it’s an honor to play and win against him?
Our Cup.
Asked about pronger, Burish replied:
“Whatever, I don’t give a shit about that dude.”
Would’ve been a whole lot better than, “He’s terrible.”
But yeah, issue’s dead to me as of now. I don’t really give a damn.
It's the Chicago Blackhawks man...
He might well have gotten away with "I think he's an idiot and don't care to talk more about him"
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it would sound funny ...
…hearing “he’s the biggest idiot in hockey” in the captain’s 50’s cold war school film narrator’s voice!
...anarchy burger, hold the government!
by EdisonParkVinnie on Jun 14, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Still recovering from the celebrations
And still find it weird that the Rockford team was included in the celebration but no Johnnson
by SergeiKrivokrasov25 on Jun 14, 2010 10:05 AM CDT reply actions
It probably would’ve been pretty awkward bringing a casket on the double decker bus.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
that and Health Department rules about transporting corpses
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Yeah, they’re sticklers.
Seriously though…that Johnsson couldn’t even make it to the celebration…yikes. Anyone else think something pretty major was swept under the rug? Even if he still had “concussion symptoms” or whatever, you think he’d pull it together for the celebration? Or could it be that bad? I’m thinking a “Johnsson had to take care of a/an (extremely private matter)” type of story will be coming out.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
if he still has the concussion symptoms - going to that celebration is the worst thing he could do
travel, noise, light, heat … that would be a disaster for a post concussion syndrome person
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
So, the rave I was gonna throw in honor of the Blackhawks…I should probably expect the “Not Attending” box to be checked. Gotcha.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
I was thinking foam party,
but rave foam party sounds even better!
by blackhawkeyes on Jun 14, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
They said in the Trib
that he got a concussion on March 12 (I think), and that he never felt right. It was when they were talking about all of the players injuries. I’ll see if I can find the link
by blackhawkeyes on Jun 14, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
It wasn't the entire Rockford team
just the guys who were added to the playoff roster, I think. Johnsson is obviously still not feeling well and the heat and noise would not be what the doctor ordered for concussion recovery.
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Johnsson didnt play the
minimum amount of regular season games with the Hawks and obviously didn’t play in the playoffs. Hence, he wasen’t reconized at all. No sence dragging a corpse out of the freezer for the parade & rally.
"You didn't think you were just gonna tilt nipple to a bunch of no rank fuzz butts did you?
by thepuckstopshere31 on Jun 14, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Neither did most of those Rockford guys
but they were still mentioned; I don’t think minimum games had anything to do with it. Johnsson would have been too if he wasn’t injured, I’m guessing. hell, he had more games as a Hawk than some of those kids.
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
The Rockford kids
Were also travelling with the team, and part of the whole atmosphere etc. Johnsson is firmly ensconsced in his tomb
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
Also, mentioning Kim Johnsson's name during the rally
would of taken some of the celebration out of things. Edzo would have needed to stop and have a moment of silence. “An now for what it takes to get this far, If we could all remove our hats and bow our heads for a Kim Johnsson moment of silence”
I truly hope after all the fuckin joking this guy has been taking, he will be all right!
"You didn't think you were just gonna tilt nipple to a bunch of no rank fuzz butts did you?
by thepuckstopshere31 on Jun 14, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
True, but will any of the kids
get etched on the Chalice? I don’t think so unless that minimum thingy was met during the regular season. I think it’s like 38 games or being dressed once in the SCF.
So, sounds like it was just a cool thing to do!
"You didn't think you were just gonna tilt nipple to a bunch of no rank fuzz butts did you?
by thepuckstopshere31 on Jun 14, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
the Rockford kids won't be on the Cup - but the team is looking to develop their young psyches for the future
Johnsson was a rental player and never in the team’s long term plans
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Confusion will be my epitaph.
No, of course not.
Except for Bickell, i think. I’m fairly certain they just announced anyone who was on the playoff roster and in attendance at the rally. Why would they announce Johnsson’s name when he wasn’t even there?
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
41 regular season games
or one Stanley Cup Finals game to get your name on the Cup.
And probably being on the team roster (sorry Barker)
Barker played 51 games
for the Hawks. Shouldn’t he be put on the Cup?
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
for some reason I thought being rostered at the end was part of it
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Confusion will be my epitaph.
That would make sense to me.
Doesn’t seem right, sorry Cam, to list a player who wasn’t on the team for the last half of the season.
I don't know how that part works
but wouldn’t being traded mean you’re not a part of the team anymore? Although I’m sure they could petition to get him on there (as well as Dale)
New to SCH
Howdy Y’all. New to SCH here. I’ve been looking for a place to talk Chicago hockey as everyone I talk to is hockey retarded. I can’t believe it’s taken me this long to find this place. I’ve been reading here for a week and love how you actually talk hockey, not mouth-breathing BS. I’ve ditched the beard and left the stache and my wife gave me the rockenest victory mullet with steps. I’m still trying to wrap my head around the Blackhawks being the best team in hockey.
They're not gonna catch us. We're on a mission from God.
by Kanesmouthguard on Jun 14, 2010 10:07 AM CDT reply actions
Welcome!
You join us at that part of the summer where we all get to wank about contracts.
But the Hawks have won Stanley! No matter what they do contractually from here on out, at the end of the day we can all look at the Cup and feel better.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 14, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Welcome.
Howver, this belongs in a fan post. No, make that a fan shot. Wait, no, you should introduce yourself in a comment next time. Wait, damn, I can’t remember. Meeshak, what’s the rule here?
Hahaha
I’m a rook here, cut me some slack. Just glad this site exists.
They're not gonna catch us. We're on a mission from God.
by Kanesmouthguard on Jun 14, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
don't worry, it's just an inside joke
Assume everything is said sarcastically unless it’s not.
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
That's why i love this place
Full of a bunch of bafoons like myself.
They're not gonna catch us. We're on a mission from God.
by Kanesmouthguard on Jun 14, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow. From the Cubs/Sox game.
This might be the best I’ve ever seen Sopel look. I almost didn’t recognize him.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 14, 2010 10:43 AM CDT reply actions
Argh, image fail on the prior post. Let's try again.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 14, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
The lighting makes Biscuit's hair look kind of grey
He looks like a middle aged professor or something.
And it’s crazy what a shave and a shower do for Sopes, he looks better than the Geico cavemen!
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
No, it unzips
Yes I did just go through 15 pictures on the trib site to figure that out.
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
Even some of the good Canadian boys
putting their hands over their hearts for the National Anthem.
How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?
Am I the only one
not seeing a picture??
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm glad you wrote that
I thought I was going crazy
by stanfordron on Jun 14, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I was seeing it, but now it's gone.
Spooky
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
Hmmm. There was a picture there before (and clearly I wasn't the only one seeing it)...
but I just tried a hard refresh and it disappeared again. Darn it. Let’s try something different.
Here. Picture.
Maybe this will foil what I assume is Twitpix being an ass.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 14, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Victory!
"It's a game of redeeming features." ~ Bob Murphy
"God said, 'Thou shalt not pass.'" ~ Mookie Wilson
God
that fucking trophy is gorgeous, innit?
"It's a game of redeeming features." ~ Bob Murphy
"God said, 'Thou shalt not pass.'" ~ Mookie Wilson
yes. yes it is.
I might even go so far as to say… I don’t remember it ever looking better. Seriously.
2006 Final Game 7
I watched that last night as well. The NHL network has some pretty cool shows and old time games. They had the top rookies of the 1990s yesterday, but I fell asleep before it was on and missed it.
Been watching NHL networ also
Those classic games are great. Seeing the sad look on Pronger’s face was priceless…again. The best was watching the old Toronto vs. Boston regular season game. Every time I watch Orr from back in the day I think about how he changed the way skaters skate today. Flawless.
They're not gonna catch us. We're on a mission from God.
by Kanesmouthguard on Jun 14, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Nice post by Wysh about Patrick Kane's year
He really is my favorite douchey bro of a hockey player.
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
Keeping my beard
I figure the more of my ugly mug that’s covered, the better. I live in a college town, so 70% of the guys here are sporting beards anyways. I guess I’ll consider shaving it and growing a new one for the playoffs next year.
Johnny Knox is so fast he lives in the future
hey anyone think Tallon might go after some of our free agents?
Since he built up the team you know he liked these guys…any thoughts on him trying to buy people up?…maybe we can convince him to take huet with him?
I can't wait to dive into a pool and end up in a jacuzzi
He signed him once!
I wouldn’t be surprised if he were a buyer for Versteeg or Buff, since he’s been high on them before.
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
maybe we can sell him buff only if he takes huet off our hands
wouldn’t mind seeing that..buff is clutch mostly in playoffs…so we’ll only see him if the panthers make it all the way to the cup..otherwise we see him once, maybe twice in the regular season…and if we could dump huet’s cap and buff’s that’s like 7 mil or something a year
I can't wait to dive into a pool and end up in a jacuzzi
by desertindian on Jun 14, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
a package of Huet, Versteeg and Buf would go a very long way in fixing/averting the Capocalypse
but Florida has Voukun for another year at a $5.7 Cap hit (and $6.3 actual dollars for the year)
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Confusion will be my epitaph.
If the team can move Versteeg, Buff, Sopel and Huet
They should have room to re-sign Ladd at $2.145, Niemi at $3.4, Burish or Fraser at $800K , Hendry at $725K and Hjalmarsson at $3.65, numbers that are the average cap hit of players with comparable stats for next season. The rest of the roster can be filled out by Rockford call-ups like Bickell, Dowell, Beach, Aliu, etc. It also leaves about $1 mil free for a low-level free agent like Brett Lebda for the 6th D-man spot. After that, though, the team is really, really tight against the cap.
That's a big if
But your numbers look very realistic. Even conservative enough that we may get them for lower.
Also, welcome to SCH!
Thanks for the welcome
I figure Buff goes to Minnesota for a prospect and/or pick as a thank you for us taking their dead Johnsson of their hands. Plus Buff will be happy that he can terrorize Vancouver far more often from within the division. Steeger to Florida for the same as an apology for his contract from Dale Tallon. Sopel to Toronto for a bag of used pucks, since Burke loves slow d-men. And Huet can take a ride with Dany Heatly. Or just be stashed in Rockford.
Yeah,
Huet is the 800 lb gorilla in the room.
If they can’t find a way to shed that paycheck, and they probably can’t, we’re looking at saying g’bye to a few guys nobody wants to see go.
Our Cup.
I think we're looking at saying goodbye to a few regardless.
and maybe I’m just an optimist, but there’s still a part of me that wants to see Huet come out next year if Niemi has to go/he can’t be moved, and just kill it next season. I know that won’t happen, but we saw some stretches of great goaltending this season.
by blackhawkeyes on Jun 14, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm an optimist with you then
I hope the same thing, though in my head, it works out to be not at the expense of Niemi. I dont’ know how that works either.
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
if Huet is back - I'd hope it was in his best form (which is quite good, but asn't been seen much in our uniform)
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
I just don't think he's as solid between the ears as Nemo.
(maybe that’s a product of not understanding English as well). But Huet seems to take criticism to heart, and the fans at home haven’t exactly been inviting. Plus the fact that Q just seemed to be waiting for him to fail, I get the feeling Huet was mind-fucked this season.
I think when he gets out of his head, he does well. I still think one of the best parts of the season was the back to back shutouts of the wings by 2 different goalies
by blackhawkeyes on Jun 14, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
If he is that way - maybe going back to Europe would be his best option
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
maybe going back to Europe would be his best option
Does anyone know anything about the new agreement with the KHL?
If Huet’s contract gets sold to a KHL team, and the Hawks have to cover some of it, “how much of a cap hit is either part of his salary?”
This is my skeptical face
that Huet would ever go to the KHL. I just don’t see it.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 14, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah the only way i see huet getting moved
is part of a package with someone else…i don’t think anyone will pay for huet’s salary outright…unless we take some other team’s overpaid player, but then we’re back to square one
I can't wait to dive into a pool and end up in a jacuzzi
by desertindian on Jun 14, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
No you wouldn't.
Another overpaid forward on a team where we already have too many forwards helps no one. At least a goalie is a position that we’re not already overstocked at.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 14, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Think about it;
A forward collecting Huet’s paycheck? 5.6M/year? Even if he’s massively overpaid at that price (for a hypothetical, imagine that we acquire Souray at that rate for Huet in trade), he’s still going to be a heck of a deal to whoever wants to claim him on waivers if we try to send him down. Which leaves us minus one NHL-level goalie (even if he’s not a #1) and plus one forward whose contract gives us the exact same problems as we currently have. No, trading for other overpaid players is out of the pot and into the fire. No upside there.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 14, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Any trade we get for him would probably involve at least two players. One of which (at least) is going to be a) past his prime and or b) on a bloated contract. So we potentially gain two to three players for a goalie we don’t want. At lest one of which can be put on waivers without much risk of someone claiming them. Especially since the league is forward heavy at the moment with a good draft class coming up.
No, trading for other overpaid players
Actually, I can see people trading for Huet if the Hawks take back a 3-4M bad contract. Huet has value just not 5.6M kind of value.
And dumping a 3-4M contract in the minors is less money paid and a lower 1/4 of salary summer cap hit. You can save 500-750K on the cap.
Yeah, if we trade down 2M bucks
I could see us acquiring a decent forward for Huet.
Which still leaves us with enormous problems. Because right now, even assuming that we can do something about Huet, we’re looking at moving at least 2 forwards in some sort of trade to dump salary. So let’s assume we acquire another forward, who’s salaried at 3.5M-4M in return for our 5.6M goalie. At that rate, you’re looking at a Sharp-level forward, or if we get lucky and get a D-man, a Volchenkov-type player. Who we then… dump in the minors? No. At that rate, other teams claim a Sharp or Volchenkov for $2M on waivers, which is a steal and a half. So we then have to shed even MORE salary to keep the new guy on the team, because keep in mind the quality you’d be acquiring even if you drop TWO MILLION off Huet’s salary. A $4M player is a quality dude. Even if he’s a little overpaid at that point, he’s no chump that no one will notice if you try to ship him down to Rockford. A $4M player on half-off waivers is a deal. And then we still have to somehow trade two forwards. Ouch.
This is what makes him untradeable. Even if we trade down, we acquire a player that we either can’t (waivers!) or don’t want to bury in the minors, and then we have to shed still more salary to accomodate the new guy. Ugh. Buy him out or send him on waivers. Either way, you’ve got as good a chance at saving cash as if you trade down, then try to slip a $4M forward past waivers when other teams can pick him up as a steal (and then you’ve lost $3.5-4M anyway, because of Huet’s trade discount + what we pay off waivers).
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 14, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Or you trade for picks
or young prospects that won’t be playing anytime soon.
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
The point is,
that this would be a two way bad contract dump. Teams like the Oilers that desperately need a goalie could dump overpaid skaters and take Huet. I was talking more about price point than caliber of play.
of course, Edmonton still has Khabby under contract
if he doesn’t retire
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
you can send him down
and it won’t cost you anything if he is picked up on waivers.
You just can’t get him back during the season without risking losing him and still having to pay half his salary…
I more figured that he might "retire" to a cushy Swiss League postition
that sounds like a pretty sweet/easy life
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
yeah but at this point he has no need to retire...
like matt leinhart he can sit on the sidelines and just collect his massive paycheck
I can't wait to dive into a pool and end up in a jacuzzi
by desertindian on Jun 14, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
the decent guy pride factor kicks in somewhere
he’s already made $10 million with the Hawks, and whatever he’s been paid before
he can’t be needing the extra money that much – and Swiss League guys get a nice franc too. Not as much as NHL, but if you were already fairly rich, the pride and desire to play (and not be booed unmercifuly) micht outweight straight up greed
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
i'd hope so..i'll leave the french jokes aside!
i want to have faith that huet will do the right thing….like i want to have faith that a lot of our RFA’s will agree to smaller deals just to stay with the winning team.
I can't wait to dive into a pool and end up in a jacuzzi
by desertindian on Jun 14, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
They probably will.
If the bulk of this team can stay intact, there aren’t many better options for a deep run next year. Especially with the postseason teams like Washington and Pittsburgh had.
I think the desire to play
might come in to effect. I mean, it’s what he’s been working towards his whole life.
Or maybe he’ll go back to France and start a nice cheese shop.
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
That's without taking into account what the Hawks are getting back in those trades
and if they’ll have to take on any money for that. Also, not sure where you’re getting 3.65 for Hjalmarsson or the comp for that. Needless to say, that’s silly high.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 14, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the secret is out on Hammer
He has potential to be a top pairing guy on about 50% of the teams in the league. I would bet on the Hawks having to match an offer in the $3-$4 range.
They can offer up to $3,091,963
If they don’t want to give up more than a 2nd round pick. I’m thinking this might be the price point.
He's not a legitimate top-2 defensemen
No one makes offers for restricted free agents. I doubt Hjalmarsson is the guy who changes that trend.
Also, not to rain on your parade of money, but if the Hawks sign all those guys for those type of numbers, Huet can’t be stowed away in Rockford as tagging becomes an issue two seasons from now.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 14, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
are you basing the tagging issue on Huet being on the Cap room figures next summer?
I’m still trying to work out precisely how stowing Huet down there would work out
I am still hung up on how we sign anyone during this summer or next summer with Huet’s one way deal on the books
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Yes
Even if Huet’s down in Rockford, his one-way deal still counts toward any of the next two seasons. Therefore, the Hawks essentially won’t be able to commit more than approximately $54 in either of the next two seasons.
At least, that’s how I’ve come to understand the rule.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 14, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Huet’s in the minors...
counts for the cap from July 1st to the day before the season starts (~90days). So about 1/4 of his salary counts against the cap each year even if he is in the minors.
proration of the Cap hit is only over the 193 day regular season
so signing issues aside, if he were immediately demoted, it would hurt during the season (other than tagging issues over signing other people)
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Confusion will be my epitaph.
huh?
Don’t know what you mean. The cap is calculated two ways. One way is over the summer where all one way contracts count against the cap. And two way contracts are prorated based on games played in the NHL.
The other way the cap is calculated is during the season where only active roster players count against the cap.
His whole salary counts during the summer months
once the season starts (or preseason somewhere), they go to the counting days against the 193 day season (193 for last season – I believe they adjust to the actual length of each season).
I was responding to the line:
“So about 1/4 of his salary counts against the cap each year even if he is in the minors.”
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His whole salary counts during the summer months
The teams averaged annual salary is calculated two different ways. One way for the preseason and another during the season. However, the amount that goes against the cap is calculated on a daily basis.
Since the preseason is about 1/4 of the year, 1/4 of Huets contract would end up being part of the cap even if he ended up in the minors.
Good point on the tagging issue
I suppose my analysis is a bit short-sighted. Guess the only option for Huet is a trade to a team with a GM with a death wish or mental handicap.
As for Hjalmarsson not being top-2, I disagree. In taking a brief look at a few other teams top pairings, I think he’s an upgrade on quite a few of those squads.
Huet might
be interested in going to Europe to get his head back in the right place. And I think the “new scenery” theory isn’t all bad, but risking that cap hit on such a theory will probably also require taking the “riverboat gambler” pill, too.
And totally agree that there are several teams where Hammer is a top-line D man.
Our Cup.
Send him south
Where no one will notice what he’s doing between the pipes, good or bad.
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
who in the south has both Cap room and overall budget space for him?
Beuhler?
Beuhler?
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Thrashers have $30 million in space
and no goalies signed. They still need to sign 6 forwards along with two goalies. since they’re not that profitable of a team, I doubt they’d take him unless they were offered a couple of prospects.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
i'm tellin ya, give em buff and huet...
buff will draw a crowd after his postseason antics..
I can't wait to dive into a pool and end up in a jacuzzi
by desertindian on Jun 14, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Get Wadell on the phone
it is still Wadell down there (like anyone really cares)?
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Confusion will be my epitaph.
I think Tom got fired
Good for Atlanta, bad for everyone else.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
"He has a gift. And his gift is Mario Kart." Troy Brouwer talking about Niklas Hjalmarsson, the day before the Chicago Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup.
by Curtain Jerker on Jun 14, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
A legitimate top-2
If you think back to last year, Barker got over $3 million only because A) He was once a top-3 pick
B) There was a snafu with the offer sheets and the Hawks had to give him an over market contract.
Hjalmarsson doesn’t have Barker’s offensive skills nor the draft pedigree therefore anything in the $3-4 million range is just insane.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 14, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Huet played some great games here
and had a role in getting us to the playoffs. It’s not right to forget that.
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
The St. Louis crowd
Based on some of the comments it seemed like they were getting ready to slit their wrists or take a bridge dive. Good to see them in so much pain…
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
i absolutely loved reading that thread
for being fans of a team that didn’t even make the playoffs they talk a lot of shit….makes me love kane that much more
I can't wait to dive into a pool and end up in a jacuzzi
by desertindian on Jun 14, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Especially with uniforms like these
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
Welcome
to how we felt for 10-12 years
by Chris Roberts on Jun 14, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Those years reached new levels of sucktitude.
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
I think the strangest thing
was how angry that one person got at NHL commercials (it’s a green’d comment) and mentions how “the Blues players are all in shadows!” …uhmm that’s because they didn’t get the actual Blues players. Do you really think they’d be able to get both teams for a full day to film a 30 second commercial?
It’s almost Scum-esque, their thinking that the NHL is targeting them to mock.
SLGT
Go Rec the thread, even if you don’t have time to read it. It’s a great read, one of the best things on the internet right now, but there’s no point in commenting on it because the game’s long over. The best thing you can do right now is to go rec it so that it is preserved in their annals of history. Rec the shit out of it.
I think it says . . .
that people in St. Louis are dumb.
When is the Flyer's Eulogy coming out?
I can not wait to read that.
As for Burish’s comments, oh well. He isn’t out there to make friends nor to be classy. He simply takes a few fists to the face and murmurs sweet little nothings into the opponents ears. Pronger is a shit stain, don’t let the fact the Hawks won the Cup change that opinion and it is good to see an actual “player” say so.
And SLGT is obviously the essence of class. Poor bastards. They get the joy of battling for the cellar with the BJs next season.
When in Rome we shall do as the Romans, when in Hell we do shots at the bar.
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Jun 14, 2010 12:48 PM CDT reply actions
It's like they were afraid to crack on them
It’s supposed to be a roasting of the team. Give it to them with both barrels.
How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?
They should have let a Bruins blog do the Flyers eulogy.
At this point, I feel like the B’s are in the best position over the last few years to appreciate the douchebaggery that is Philly.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 14, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
there were parts
that i honestly thought were taking bigger jabs at the Hawks than the Flyers.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 14, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah it seemed like they were picking on philly
cause the hawks were so bad and they couldn’t even beat us.
I can't wait to dive into a pool and end up in a jacuzzi
by desertindian on Jun 14, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Aside from the regular and second seasons, the draft is one of my favorite events of the year. Seeing who might become mainstays on our roster is not only becoming increasingly more popular among the average fan, but it is also indicative of how important every pick can be. As far as this draft goes, I’m hoping the wunderkind in the front office take a good hard look at Alexander Petrovic.
Right now, our system is flooded with depth guys who probably will never fill anything higher than a checking/energy line role (see; Jake Dowell, Evan Brophey, Bryan Bickell, Rob Klinkhammer, etc.), smallish, somewhat-offensively gifted d-men that we’ve accumulated over the past few seasons (Lalonde, Leddy, Connelly), and a few project pick blueliners like the massive Simon Danis-Pepin and Brandon Birch. However, I feel that our prospect pool lacks a clear-cut bluechip shutdown defensemen, and that’s where the 6’4" WHL product Petrovic comes in. This guy has loads of potential and decent skating ability that will more than likely turn out to be a solid top 4 rearguard for us down the road.
The Hawks could also use a goalie, so look for them to maybe select Campbell if he’s still around, or maybe Phil Grubaeur from Windsor in the later rounds.
Yes
“Right now, our system is flooded with depth guys who probably will never fill anything higher than a checking/energy line role” but, as long as we keep Toews, Kane, Hossa, Sharp, 72 and Hammer do we need more than that?
hell, everyone's system is flooded with layers who fit that description
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Probably not in the next few years,
but the objective of drafting isn’t to keep having low-level grunts, it’s to keep stocking the cupboard with high-end youth that can develop into top-6 level guys. Having a wealth of talent, like we do now, is invaluable during the season and allows our team to ice an elite-calibur squad year in and year out.
That’s why the draft has become so important, because the core needs to be surrounded by capable, interchangeable parts. Too much talent is never a bad thing in my opinion.
i wouldn't be surprised to see the hawks get some high prospects
if they trade some of their players, like steeger, buff etc. they’re good picks that’ll do well on a lot of teams. We just can’t afford them right now in our current situation, we get a few high draft pics we can put them in the minors for a bit until we need em
I can't wait to dive into a pool and end up in a jacuzzi
by desertindian on Jun 14, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Hossa trade? Say What?
Jim Kelley of SI believes the Chicago Blackhawks will shop Marian Hossa’s rights this summer after signing him to that long-term contract in 2009. Hell, why not: He’s clearly a good luck charm.
How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?
1 out of 3 is now a good luck charm?
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Well for getting to the finals he is.....
Winning when you get there is another story.
How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?
I think Wysh
was being facetious.
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by HungryHungryPanda on Jun 14, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
NOOOOOooooo
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 14, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I knew this would piss you off
I’m having a hard time believing that they would want to trade him though. How many teams would want that cap hit?
How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?
if he is so focused on going where he has a chance to win a Cup
don’t you figure he’d have some sort of No Trade Clause, or limits built in on being dealt elsewhere?
And once he’s a couple more years out, it may be hard to move him with his age/Cap hit number combo (he makes $7.9 million to 2015-16 and carries a $5.233 through 2020-21). Clearly, the assumption is that he retires well before then (and inflated Cap totals take some of the sting out of that Cap hit)
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Count me among those
who don’t think this is quite the insanity that it appears to be at first blush.
He now has the Cup, which was his whole point of signing here in the first place. He will command an excellent return, ideally in draft picks and prospects. He frees up a large chunk of cap space.
Now, let me emphasize: I DO NOT WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. But I don’t think that’s so far beyond the realm of possibility as some might seem to believe.
Our Cup.
assuming he doesn't have a no trade clause - or would now be willing to waive it
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Confusion will be my epitaph.
I want at least 5 more years out of him
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 14, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed on wanting that.
But under the circumstances, I think we should assume there are only three untouchables on the roster: 2, 19 and 88 (well, probably 39 and 51, too – for different reasons).
The thinking when his contract was signed — as krome noted — is that he’ll retire a Hawk long before the contract is up. (And hopefully with several Cups to his name.)
Our Cup.
I would add 7 in there
im pretty damn sure he stays
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 14, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
after how much has been made of 72
there is no fucking way they will get rid of Seabs. NO FUCKING WAY.
BigC, I will be SO SAD if they trade Hoss. :(
it's entirely possible this isn't sarcasm
This discussion is also assuming a static salary cap
I bet he retires around 16/17 if his name is on the chalice another time or two
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
assuming a normal diminishment of production with age
it will still be a relatively big Cap hit for what he’d be expected to be producing then – unless we have massive inflation over the next several years
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
“Jim Kelley of SI believes…”
I think we all have the ability to do that…however, none of us work for a major publication where belief = fact.
Excuse me while I wait for, “The Chicago Blackhawks announce…”
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
seeing what sticks
i read that and thought of it as being a classic case of some columnist throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks. i’ve seen references on espn and elsewhere to campbell being traded to the devils, sharp going to toronto, buff and versteeg going to florida, etc.
basically everyone knows the hawks are going to have to do something and because there’s no news coming out of the front office (other than celebratory stuff) they’re left to make stuff up.
of course it's all conjecture right now
I would just expect most of the talks to be a little more realistic – not that this scenario couldn’t happen too, it just seems a little more off base than others.
How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?
no way in hell
will that happen. I love Hoss but I have hated his contract from the moment I saw it. No GM will take on that contract
by Chris Roberts on Jun 14, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
why do you hate the contract?
$5.2 million-ish cap hit for a player of Hossa’s caliber? Why is that bad?
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Hossa's contract
is not bad at all for his caliber of play
The length of Hossa's contract is bad news
I know they did it to lessen the cap hit, but is Hoss going to be worth a 5.2 mil cap hit in 7 years? Probably not, unless the cap goes up a lot in those 7 years.
Ditto for CNS
I figure the assumption is that at 37, he's likely to be retiring by then
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I think they expect Hossa to retire before that
while his cap hit will be $5.2M, he will only be getting paid a couple of million to play those years.
They probably think that is going to happen
after 7 years, his salary is down to 1 mil. Hopefully he can stay healthy for 6-7 more years, I’m a little worried about that aspect.
Ditto for CNS
reality may go out the window...
…at least for the next couple of weeks. i fully expect to hear every conceivable scenario surrounding the hawks until they actually do something. we may even see a “they’re going to trade kane because he still doesn’t take his off-ice incidents serious as evidenced by his comments at the parade rally” article.
this
i’ve already heard the “we need to trade Kane b/c his trade value is high” comments before on the radio. before the SCF even ended, actually
by puppetmasterp on Jun 14, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
This is insane
People should realize it IS possible to trade yourself right into dogshit. Really.
They just won the cup, yeah, EVERYONE’S value is gonna be pretty fucking high. That definitely doesn’t mean half the team should go for “young, elite prospects”. It is waaaay too far off a guarantee the next Kane, Toews, and/or Keith is just sitting out there.
Trading the older, more reliable model for a younger, energenic model only works when they’re wives of regal millionaires…and even that’s not fool-proof.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
thats just something I dont even want to speculate about
kind of like what Rosie Odonnel looks like naked
or what its like to be married to Hilary Clinton
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 14, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
With that comment
I wish I was the puppy in your pic. haha
They're not gonna catch us. We're on a mission from God.
by Kanesmouthguard on Jun 14, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't get me started on that guy
At first he wrote that Hossa signed another one year deal because he’s a “mercenary.” After I emailed him and basically said “hey dumbass, he signed a 12 year deal” he slightly changed his story. He’s an idiot.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
"He has a gift. And his gift is Mario Kart." Troy Brouwer talking about Niklas Hjalmarsson, the day before the Chicago Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup.
by Curtain Jerker on Jun 14, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
puppet...if you're still around
I realized I forgot to include Brouwer in my top 5 in the excitement of the cup. and apparently love for Ladd runs in my family…myself, my mom and older sister both had them in their top 3
i'm around now, after some hiatus
yeah, Brouwer was the toss up for me. had to decide between him and Ladd, and I went with Ladd. Though i must admit i prefer bearded Brouwer to bearded Ladd.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 14, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Possibly the stupidest thing I've read since the SLGT thread
For one, his valet/girlfriend/security blanket is signed with us for another year.
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
Kop would be included in the deal, I suppose ...
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
A couple of cap questions
First, how is that cap determined? Is it based on league revenues at all?
Second, would a player’s cap hit be altered if they agree to renegotiate their contract to say pay them the same amount over a longer period of time (a la Hossa and Keith’s contracts)? For example (not suggesting this, just for the sake of giving an example) could Huet agree to take his salary and get paid over six more years to limit his cap hit?
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
The league's cap is driven by leaguewide revenues and players may not renegotiate their contracts once signed
during the last year of a player’s contract (or after that last year), a player may sign his new deal (called an extension) but that new deal is not alterable once signed.
In your example, no – Huet could not do that. The only option is a buy out (2/3 of the remaining money for Huet’s category, with the Cap hit spread over twice the remaining contract length)
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
In Baseball
the union will only let a player renegotiate if they are getting more money. The same thing probably applies here.
I was thinking about baseball
when I asked the second question. I’ve heard/read of player’s deferring money/renegotiating their contract so that a team has room and cash to go after free agents. I thought maybe the same thing could be done here to help Hawks.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
unfortunately, it can not be done in hockey
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
i was wondering that same thing
for example, if Toews would be willing to waive the CS bonus to allow more cap space.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 14, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Or just defer it
so that he is not giving it up entirely.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
I keep saying I couldn't love Tazer more
but if he did that, I would FIND a way.
it's entirely possible this isn't sarcasm
if anyone was willing to do such a thing
we all know it would be him
by puppetmasterp on Jun 14, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Can it be done in the NHL?
Different CBAs, different rules…
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
It can't be done in the NHL
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
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Not sure about the 1st question
but the second is no. Even if a player wanted to, I’m pretty sure contracts can’t be renegotiated. Extensions also do not change the cap hit of the initial contract (i.e. adding 2 years @ $2 million to Huet’s contract would not lower the hit, it would just change the hit after the initial contract ran out).
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
For Huet, an extension couldn't be done until (after) next summer
only in the last year of the term of a contract may one do an extension – though you’re right, it doesn’t change the then curent Cap hit number for the then current deal
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
I didn't realize the last year of the deal part
but I mainly used him for an example for the extension not changing the cap hit. Bad example choice, I think.
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I was drunkly rambling at someone at BL on Friday
About the bonus waiver/contract renegotiation, and they mentioned that Skille tried to do something to lessen his hit so he could play with the big boys, but it was a no go.
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
What a good Badger that Skille is.
Can you imagine a Blackhawk team with three Badgers on it again? LOL, I’ll stop now.
What a good Badger that Skille is.
That wasn’t the problem for Skille. The problem is he has a two way contract. Since his cap hit was too large they didn’t keep him in the NHL. So he was only getting paid his minor league money.
I’d try to re-negotiate that too. Even paying him less on his NHL contract would be more then he was getting in the minors. And it would have been a win win for both. Sorry no can do…
They have video of the Hawks
visit to wrigley up at NHL.com. Boy, the Wrigley crowd really tried to do the UC justice during the national anthem. Pretty cool of them! IMO, the anthem just sounds better that way. Or, maybe it’s just Cornelison.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
Hoo boy.
I know that Captain Marvel did ‘Take Me Out to the Ballgame’ last year (and required cue cards to make sure he got the words right, because he is OCD), but wow. Watching the whole team try to sing gives me vicarious embarrassment every time.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 14, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm sure there's been a lot of group singing in the last few days.....
some of it worse, no doubt, depending on the sobriety levels at the time
by puppetmasterp on Jun 14, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Speaking of video,
does anybody have a link for a torrent for Game 6?
The torrent site I use for my game DLs is currently closed to new registrations, sorry.
You might try this one, though?
The download has a ton of stuff in it (189 files?!?) but among the excess fluff you’ll find what appears to be telecasts of games 1, 2, 5, and 6 (basically, the ones the Hawks won). You can just tell your DL client not to download the other stuff, and pick out the games you want specifically.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 14, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
check the thread before this one
I think it’s there in a green’d comment
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
Why not ITunes?
Not saying torrents cause legal issues, but certainly don’t have to worry about it with itunes.
http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewTVSeason?id=372270473&s=143441
by Bobby Tables on Jun 14, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't actually know that was an option!
sweet.
of course, I also want like, the hour of everything afterwards when they’re just skating around being happy.
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
Theres about 22mins worth
of celebration. but yeah, maybe not as much as a bittorrent
by Bobby Tables on Jun 14, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know how much the torrents have
I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a similar file to this one, honestly.
I’m annoyed that the NHL has up our shit the bed against Minnesota game, but not our kickass comeback game against Calgary from the regular season. Or the make Luongo cry game.
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
The Calgary game is actually here
http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewTVSeason?id=334468545&s=143441
at #8, FWIW.
(No, I don’t work for the NHL, or Apple) My shilling for ITunes will now stop.
by Bobby Tables on Jun 14, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I totally appreciate it
and now I’ve found the USA vs Canada games.
The off seaso just got a little bit shorter.
Not sure whether it helps or hurts, but...
the torrent I’ve got is the NBC broadcast, and switches to VS when the NBC swaps. There’s about an hour of postgame, which is really the stuff I value. I love hearing all the guys give their ’I’m amazed!’ speech!
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 14, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I was outside listening
Right up at the fence they had outside the VIP gate. (Not as crowded as I’d expected it to be…We saw them preparing beforehand (given the weather it was hard for me to get good shots, but I tried). Hjalm., Fraser, & Ladd waved at us, Kane chugged a beer and waved, Kopecky did some weird “dance” with a Hawks flag.
Then I could glimpse them walking on the field with the Cup. I didn’t know what the boos were for till I heard the report later (Ozzie). Then the anthem…that was incredible. People cheering from the Wrigley rooftops. I was hoping some of the players would come out again, but all I could see was that they were behind the gates posing for photos (the police were getting a bunch, it was fun to watch).
I checked with my radio a few times and was amazed WGN radio didn’t broadcast any of that, since they’re the “home of” the Cubs and Hawks. They just kept going with a pregame show. I kept listening to the game and got home just as the (painful) “Take Me Out…” came on. (Sharp was the guest before it.)
Then I turned on Twitter to see everyone flipping out (not that I blame them) that ESPN didn’t include ANY of the Hawks coverage, not even the song!
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ESPN doesn't want to admit the NHL exists
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
Play-by-play guy made a couple comments
proving he had absolutely zero knowledge of hockey and the Hawks. I forget what they were. By last night, I barely had enough functioning brain cells to breath and work the remote. And if there wasn’t a two-way no-no going into the 7th, I’d have been in bed already.
Our Cup.
I saw a picture
of one of the ESPN guys take a picture of the Hawks singing the stretch. So I think they were a little excited, just uninformed like the rest of the country.
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Did anyone see the Macy's "Blawkhawks" mistake?
I took a photo before the parade Friday (it’s been changed since, I heard), posted it on Flickr, sent it to Wyshynski, and it got a whole piece on Puck Daddy (slow news day…yeah, a Sunday). First time I’ve been so much as linked on that site! (They used one photo of mine without attribution once).
Apologies if this got mentioned already (but given that only one friggin’ person on Twitter said anything to me about it, it probably didn’t).
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yeah we actually saw your pic
someone posted a link to it on the other thread (the post-parade one). well done.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 14, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
they even mentioned in that thread here that you took the picture
nice catch
How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?
oh, thanks!
That’s what I get for not catching up on all the 500+ comment threads yet! Well, this proves you guys suck less than people I know on Twitter—see, that’s why I want to make some Stanley Cup cookies for the SCH crowd!
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St Louis=The New Detroit..
Jesus Wept:
I actually ended up reading almost all the comments on the St Louis site.. couldn’t quite convince myself it wasn’t an elaborate hoax.. without a doubt the biggest gathering of six-toed, knuckles-dragging-through-the-trash, foreheads you could put a crazy-golf course on, sister-bothering fucktards ever known to man. That said, their pitiful “onofuknononofukno” and “wft? iz itt ovah?” comments when Kaner did the deed made me chuckle..
One of the more literate ones (he can get all the way up to 29 without going beyond fingers and toes..) said “I’m afraid to head over to SCH.. but I know I’m going to”..
Can I suggest, for next season, the ‘Scum’ tag pass temporarily to St Louis? Detroit has enough problems, with the bank about to foreclose on the entire freaking city.. them sucking at hockey should be a thing of amusement rather than raw hatred.. for anyone not convinced, follow the link and read that site… you’ll need a shower afterwards, though..
Scum is a perfect
description for Detroit. After reading that St. Louis post I think they deserve a moniker of their very own. The word “Trash” comes to mind.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
during one of our games this season
I was forced to watch the St. louis(trash) v hawks game from the st. louis feed….the announcers are a riot…they kept talking about how the old rivalry was back between the hawks and blues…had me laughing for the entire game…right up until the neanderthal jackman thought hockey meant cross checking kane on the ground until head popped off, and tchackuk headed a puck into the net.
I can't wait to dive into a pool and end up in a jacuzzi
by desertindian on Jun 14, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
FUCK TRASH
… eh, doesn’t have the same ring.
by Steven Schweickert on Jun 15, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Honey no.
St Louis has a long LONG way to go if they want to approach Scum for the Hawks rivalry. For one, playoffs appearances. For another, Stanley Cup Finals appearances. For a third, animosity of fans (how often have they sold out their arena recently?).
One of the reasons why everyone hates and envies Scum is that they’ve had a dynasty for so long and that they have indeed been very good. Their fanbase is entitled beyond belief because their team has given them results over the past few years. They have good and honorable players who don’t play a dirty game, even if we Chi-town fans do love to hate them. St Louis doesn’t have any of those things. When St Louis wins a hell of a lot of Cups or Conference Finals, THEN they’ll be the new Detroit wannabes. Until then, they’re just a jealous fanbase whose team didn’t even make the playoffs. Watch us roll our eyes. St Louis isn’t even worthy of the effort that contempt would take.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 14, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
T-shirts
Anyone remember those awesome shirts the Bulls always had after a championship with all the players, and their heads were huge? Any chance we see something like that for the Hawks?
omg, i forgot about those
i had a few of them and they were GREAT
by puppetmasterp on Jun 14, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Guys to target for the draft
Joey Hishon Centre – Owen Sound (OHL)
Smooth offensive Centre. ISS was real high on him but a poor 2010 campaign has raised questions about his durability at the next level… May be a risk but will be there @30.
Ryan Johansen, Centre Portland Winterhawks (WHL)
Puck moving Centreman weights nearly 200 lbs could be a power forward at the next level.
Also here’s the ISS Top 30.
http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=11963
The C
I wouldn’t be at all suprised if the ’Hawks traded back out of the 1st round and into the 2nd round and grab Jack Campbell, the standout netminder from the WJHC.
The ’Hawks have a lot of depth throughout the organization from Lalonde and Olsen on defence to Beach, Aliu, and Skille at the forward position but not much at the goaltending position which leads me to believe that this would be the guy the ’Hawks may target.
2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS
It's been a long journey but in the end it was all worth it, and I wouldn't have ever changed a thing. The feeling is so surreal, yet so real.
that wouldn't surprise me
Hishon and Johansen represent guys that have slipped out of most people’s top 30’s but will still be there in the middle of the 2nd round. Guys that I like that maybe most people don’t.
Campbell is currently rated 21st and
is considered the best goalie in the draft. I think the Hawks would have to trade up to get him. If they do trade up, the deal will probably include one of the 3 million dollar players that have to go.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
You're the man, Hoss
From Jesse Rogers account of the parade:
It was packed up there and the Cup made its way up and down the top of that bus. It stopped long enough near the front so I could take a quick picture with it. My year was complete. I sat with Marian Hossa for a few minutes and he told me he couldn’t believe they were chanting his name. Why him, he asked. I told him it was because everyone was so happy for him winning the Cup after two years of losing it. He understood. He said he’s going to take the Cup back to where he grew up and let the kids play some street hockey and the Cup will be the prize.
Ditto for CNS
by Hack on Jun 14, 2010 5:29 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Awww, Hoss!
I have a massive soft spot for our Panda. I’m so glad that he’s ours for a long, long time!
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 14, 2010 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they cheered for Hossa because of the excellent effort he has made all season.
The media does not get this because they are just interested in statistics.
I think Jesse's explanation to Hoss
sounds a lot less fanboyish than “It’s because you’re such a great player”
Wrong or right, that may have factored into it. We chanted his name because he’s awesome AND because we’re proud he won the Cup with the Hawks on his third try.
Ditto for CNS
right, I was yelling HOSSA GETS THE CUP
at everyone around me, because I was sad for him that he hadn’t gotten it before, because he’s such an awesome player.
Totally cool and expected
from a class act guy. Plus, he hangs out with hot chicks!
"You didn't think you were just gonna tilt nipple to a bunch of no rank fuzz butts did you?
by thepuckstopshere31 on Jun 15, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm having difficulty parting with mine
probably will trim it down to the Jon Voigt from Midnight Cowboy look.
And while Anahiem returns to the locker room, Todd Bertuzzi is cuffed and returns to the squad car.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 14, 2010 5:34 PM CDT reply actions
On the topic of conversations here
Ladies and gentlemen we are the STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS. I could care less right now about out cap situation but since everyone is on this stupid and redundant subject I feel to offer my opinion in true hawks61 form, here it goes:
- Patrick Sharp is going nowhere. Stop thinking he will as you will continue to look stupid.
- Neither is Dave Bolland. Get used to it as he’ll be here for a while.
- Hossa will remain a ‘Hawk until he retires or dies.
- Byfuglien will still be playing for the ’Hawks. Many teams (including the ’Hawks) still debate whether or not that his playoff performance is sign of things-to-come or a peak-of-performance. Either way he is untradeable.
- Niemi, Hjalmarsson, Ladd, and the rest of the RFA class will most likely be re-signed, the UFA’s will not. Outside chance that Eager could return, definite that Burish won’t.
- Huet. Welcome to Rockford. Hope you enjoy your stay.
- Versteeg. Out. (Should get a wicked tan in Florida)
- Campbell may join Versteeg. Don’t want to see this happen but there are 7.1 million reasons why it might.
- Sopel may end up in Toronto as they still try to figure out who or what Jeff Finger really is, and if they have, they’ve buried him along with Johnsson in the desert.
- Hey, it’s Jack Skille. Man, I’m glad that genius Tallon drafted you instead of some bum named Kopitar or long-legged goof named Marc Staal.
- Kopecky will still be here. Stop complaining about him as he did a fuck of a lot more than some of the guys that were making a shitload more cash than what he was making all season.
I think that’s about it. Enjoy.
2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS
It's been a long journey but in the end it was all worth it, and I wouldn't have ever changed a thing. The feeling is so surreal, yet so real.
Couple questions
First, how are you convincing Campbell to waive his NTC and leave a Stanley Cup winning team?
Second, who exactly did Kopecky out play that was making more than him? Buff, Versteeg, Bolland? I’d have to disagree. I don’t hate Kop, but I can’t say I think he outplayed any of those 3.
Third, financially, how are we keeping Niemi, Hjammer, Ladd, Eager (RFA), Fraser, Hendry, Buff, and Bolland (most of those requiring at least 10% raises) while only getting rid of Versteeg and possibly Huet? Doing what you listed (excluding trading Campbell and Sopel) and giving our RFAs only 10% raises (not likely), has the Hawks at the cap with Crawford and a couple AHLers up. It’s not happening. This is not considering Toews’ Smythe bonus, which I am unsure if it applies to the cap or not.
Capocalypse is a bit overstated, in my mind, but you’re not being realistic there.
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's some answers
- I don’t if Campbell would ever waive his NTC but if Florida (and I believe they will) comes calling he may take the bait considering Tallon is there. I know, not much, but still. May I re-itereate that I don’t want to see this happen, but it might.
- During various portions of the regular season you could say that Kopecky did outplay Buff, Bolland, and Versteeg if not all 3 at the same time. The Playoffs were different but Kopecky did more than hold his own in the second season. Just making a case for a guy that was shit on all season.
- Byfuglien is entering his final season of his $3 mil/year contract which makes him untradeable. Bolland is already scheduled for $3.375/year for the next 4 years, so they already count against the cap. Niemi and Hjammer will get raises as well as Ladd. There does lie a small window of opportunity that Eager could come back at a reasonable price as well as Fraser, Hendry and Bickell. Skille will be tricky, but the rest are gone. Hjammer may get the largest raise of all of them but at this point it’s Hjammer at #1, Niemi at #2, then Ladd at #3 on the priority list. Here’s a better look at the ’Hawks financial situation courtesy of CapGeek.
-Toews’ Smythe bonus does count against the 2010-11 cap which means our cap window has shrunk even more {$1.3 million}.
2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS
It's been a long journey but in the end it was all worth it, and I wouldn't have ever changed a thing. The feeling is so surreal, yet so real.
I have a really hard time believing Tallon would be enough to get Campbell to leave the Stanley Cup Champions for Florida. He likes being closer to his family and loves the city. I strongly doubt he’s leaving.
Kopecky may have outplayed Buff during the regular season but that’s about it in my mind. Kop upped his game since the Olympics and you could say the same for the other 3. Bolland is not a fair comparison given his injury. Post season, Kop held his own, but I still don’t think you can say he outplayed the others. He was shit on during the regular season becuase he was ineffective, as was Buff who also got shit on.
My third question was based on what you said in your post – that all of the RFA class would be signed. I just don’t see that happening with only Versteeg and Huet leaving. I’m familiar with CapGeek – I used it to calculate all of the changes you were suggesting, which is why I don’t think what you’ve stated is feasible. Buff or Bolland also has to go, and I would like to see Buff go first. Some GM somewhere is salivating at the idea of Buff’s ass in someone’s crease, even for a year. I agree that Hjammer is the top priority.
Since Toews’ bonus does count, Versteeg and Huet leaving seems to be the minimum that needs to be done.
by Katherine215 on Jun 14, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I would really like to see exactly how far over Cap we are
without that, it is impossible to speculate as to what we need to shed going forward
If Huet could be moved, I think we could do quite nicely with fielding a respectable full roster by moving Buf and Versteeg too. But that depends on exactly how far over cap we are (Toronto papers have indicated that various bonuses put the Hawks $4 million over).
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
I think those 3 would have to leave
at minimum. This stinks.
by Katherine215 on Jun 15, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree Burish should have just let the question about Pronger dissolve itself and not really answered it, or at least answered it with a little more class, however, I really hope it doesn’t punch his ticket out of town. Pronger is a douche-nozzle and it’s hard not to think those things about the guy. Buff even tried to give him a couple kind words in the handshake line and he pretty much brushed by him. He’s an asshole. Next time, Adam, just enjoy raising the Stanley Cup in that guys ugly face.
I have seen the SLGT game thread
I have to say I have never seen a group of fans with a bigger inferiority complex. And it looks like they’re using it as a colossal anal plug…repeatedly…and enjoying it.
And I'm a Cubs fan
so I KNOW about inferiority complexes
by northernsails on Jun 14, 2010 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I know some Cardinal fans from St.Louis and they are just as annoying.
I think they feel inferior because their city isn’t as big or as cool. Packer fans often suffer from the same disease.
never seen a group of people
get so worked up about * another * team winning. I dont get so pissed when the Cards or packers win. Sure I get upset, but not to the point where I’m demanding their heads.
by northernsails on Jun 14, 2010 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Toews on the cover of NHL11
Here’s the scoop courtesy of Puck Daddy. Fuckin’ awesome considering how well it worked this season. Maybe Toews will get the OT goal to win the Cup?
2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS
It's been a long journey but in the end it was all worth it, and I wouldn't have ever changed a thing. The feeling is so surreal, yet so real.
I think that the Hawks
will move Steeger and perhaps Byfuglien as well.
If the head honchos in the Hawks front office believe that Byfuglien has peaked and that this playoffs was indicative of him putting together the best month of hockey he’ll ever play in his life, the Hawks could draw quite a price for him in the trade market in terms of draft picks and prospects. I wouldn’t be surprised if this happened. I think the Hawks saw that a lot of their parts are interchangeable.
I agree that Bolland will stick around.
Of the RFA’s Andrew Ladd is the least likely to be re-signed. Niemi’s a close second. The Hawks have two backup goalies at Rockford (Toivonen and Crawford). If you can move Niemi to a team that needs a goalie that also is willing to pay an outrageous price for him, the Hawks might go for it in hopes that they can lift the cup again in 2-3 years.
Thankfully the Hawks still have a fairly decent minor league system, I would get comfortable with Jack Skille, it’ll be interesting to see if Akim Aliu has made the progress that they expected him to make. Defensively Lalonde might be able to come up and provide some solid 3rd pairing minutes . Brent Sopel and Jordan Hendry will likely both be gone.
I'll be real interested in seeing what our boys in Rockford can do
Am I the only one who thinks that Bowman might just go and pull a semi-blockbuster deal out somewhere? Nobody is expecting it, and for good reason, but if a good enough a swap is possible, addressing defensive or center depth might be a good move, and it doesn’t have to be a bottom 6 or bottom pairing guy. It seems like we may have enough guys we can bring up to ice a full team, even if it’s more top heavy than it was this year.
I'm not terribly comfortable with many of our current prospects
save perhaps Bickell. And that’s only because he accepted the roles he was given. Skille was supposed to be a big guy, big scorer. I know nothing about Aliu, but I hesitate to trust him. That might just be the Cubs fan in me after so many failed products (*ahem*both Pattersons, Pie, Rich Hill).
by northernsails on Jun 14, 2010 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
THIS JUST IN!!!
The Blackhawks are set to trade their entire team to the Cleveland Cavaliers in a sign-and-trade for Lebron James!
"Lord Stanley's new address is Sweet Home Chicago!"
holy shit!
This! You thought NNemo was an athlete, how about a guy 6’8 with those kinda hops who can score from full court on a jump shot?
Oh, there’s ice? Well he’ll STILL be the best athlete in any game.
by northernsails on Jun 15, 2010 1:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know i anyone's reading this threa or the cap comments anymore, BUT
if you are, check out this hilarious take from Battle of California. If you go over though to comment, remember….all just in good fun….
Nice,
Also you and Krome engaging with them is sweet.
"You didn't think you were just gonna tilt nipple to a bunch of no rank fuzz butts did you?
by thepuckstopshere31 on Jun 15, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
WTF
Turned on the NHL network and happened to see they were playing game 4. Watched for a couple minutes and saw Versteeg wait way too long to do anything with the puck and shoot it right at 2 Philly D. What happens next, Flyers go down the ice, shoot the puck off Steegers back and into the net.
I like Versteeg sometimes but not enough and saw too much of that same shit throughout the season and playoffs.
But really, who gives a damn, the Hawks won the Stanley Cup!
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