Tuesday's Gone - Round Up Of An Action-Packed Day Around The NHL
by McClure on Jun 23, 2010 11:50 AM CDT
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So, needless to say, a whole bunch of shit went down yesterday in the NHL. Here's a quick recap and reaction to it
- Scott Niedermayer retired. While he probably still had gas left in the tank, he really had nothing more to accomplish, and with the Ducks now trying to rebuild/reload, the thought of another long and strenuous season was probably enough to have Nieds call it a career. Either that, or he just REALLY doesn't like covering for James Wisniewski. On a personal note, Niedermayer was one of my favorite players, and it's somewhat sad to see him hang 'em up. When rumors started circulating that he was trade bait and the Hawks might have looked into him, Sam can attest that I would not shut the fuck up about it until after the deadline passed and he remained a Duck. I would have bought a Niedermayer indian head sweater in a heartbeat, even if he only played out the remainder of 2010 as a Hawk. But alas, that didn't happen, and we still wish Nieds the best in his retirement, and despite the Hall of Fame being fucking clown shoes (more on that below), he'll be enshrined the moment he's eligible, and for once with good reason. Now would you mind taking Teemu Selanne with you?
- The Sharks are parting ways with Evgeni Nabakov. Not a total surprise, as they have money they need to spend elsewhere, like reloading their blue line and retaining Patrick Marleau, and this year's finals matchup showed a team didn't need a big-money goalie to win a conference or a cup. Someone will give Nabby a pretty respectable deal, but he won't pull the $5.4 mildo he was earning before given his propensity to wilt in April and May.
- Uncle Dale shipped Nathan Horton to the Bruins for Dennis Wideman and the #15 pick. Though he can play both center and right wing, he'll primarily be used on the wing in Boston given the depth they have at center in Marc Savard, David Krejci, and more than likely Tyler Seguin. Look for the B's to move Patrice Bergeron as a result. Horton has a boatload of skill, but never made as much of it as most believe he can while languishing in Florida. He'll have every opportunity to flourish in Boston, and now the Bruins are looking at some scary depth down the middle. In Wideman, the Tallon and the Panthers get a right-shooting, puck-moving defenseman who regressed more than a bit last year after a breakout year in 08-09. He'll have to regain that form for this to be a solid deal for the Panthers- but when's the last time Dale got porked in a trade?
- Brent Sopel will march with the Stanley Cup in the Pride Parade on Saturday with his family, in part as a tribute to Brendan Burke. We give Sopel a lot of shit here, but no one can dispute the fact that he's a prince off the ice.
- Lastly, the Hall of Fame inductions are a joke. I don't know what's more ridiculous - that Dino fucking Ciccarelli got in, or that we have to be outraged that Joe Niewendyk didn't? The induction process needs to be seriously overhauled, or at this rate Fels will get inducted as a builder in 20 years, and if that's not a sign of the apocalypse, then I must've misread Revelations.
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Sure I can
He only reached that number because he hung around long enough. It’s not the Hall of Resiliency. The whole selection process is flawed. That he now has the same distinction of people who were actual legends of the game like Gretzky, Lemieux, etc. is insulting to the very idea of the HOF. Dino is an NHL D-lister (numbers be damned, he did it in an inflated goal scoring era), and the Hall should be reserved for A-listers only.
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agreed, he sucks
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 23, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
If he had been a Hawk, there would probably still be people in Dino jerseys at the UC
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by krome on Jun 23, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can't fucking believe I'm about to defend anything having to do with this fucking shit stain.
But I have to respectfully disagree. Don’t get me wrong. I hated Ciccarelli with a passion. I was probably one of the loudest in the second balcony bellowing “Dino Sucks!” However……
I have always been of the opinion that longevity and sustained superior performance is as much a part of the equation when assessing greatness as any other factor. The scum bag’s production really only fell off during the final few years of his career. And you don’t score that many goals by accident, I don’t care what era he played in. (If you’re going to argue that they were scored in an inflated goal scoring era then that calls into question the numbers of all who played in that era, including the true greats that you mention.)
Plus, many of the players on the all time goal scoring list ahead of him had careers of similar duration.
Like it or not players careers are judged primarily on numbers. And a guy in the top 20 goal scorers of all time is going to get recognized for it.
"Life is a long lesson in humility."
- James M. Barrie
You make some good points.
He is still a complete d-bag though.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
I tend to agree - his sustained performance is exceptional (or else lots of others would have done it)
he appears to stack up to many others in the Hall (although he personal misbehaviors are a point against him)
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Absolutely
The guy was a reprehensible, amoral coward on the ice. But if that type of behavior disqualified one from HOF consideration there would be quite a few empty spots in many sports Halls of Fame that are currently occupied.
Unfortunately, anything short of being an axe murderer (or steroid abuser) seems to be o.k. in the world of sports as long as you can hit/shoot/kick/throw that ball/puck.
"Life is a long lesson in humility."
- James M. Barrie
I think his longevity is made more impressive by the fact ...
that he would stand in front of the net and take a beating to score most of those goals. I say his dirty play is at least partially offset by his ability and willingness to take the absue necessary for a guy with meager talent to score over 600 goals. My biggest mark against him was his unwillingness to drop the gloves after dishing out so many potentionally dangerous hits. In my opinion, guys who play dirty—not physical, but dirty—that won’t fight disrupt the balance to keep that kind of stuff in check. If Ulf Samulesson would have taken off that visor and gotten the shit kicked out of him once in a while, I’m sure he wouldn’t have been “tough” enough to take out peoples knees. Same with Dino. If he didn’t play outside the unwritten rules I doubt he would have potted so many goals. Overall though, because he looks like a guy who took 19 years of abuse in front of the net, i’d say he’s deserving to go in the hall.
by Billy Charlesbois on Jun 23, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Anyone hearing
any trade rumors? Besides that ridiculous Alex Semin deal.
by SergeiKrivokrasov25 on Jun 23, 2010 12:01 PM CDT reply actions
this waiting stuff is awful.
Though if I’m hating it, I can’t imagine how the players feel right now, especially ones whose names have been floated out there. I wish Stan would make a deal already.
by Katherine215 on Jun 23, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Blackhawks rumors
Speaking of transitioning, the rumor mill was rife with speculation Tuesday regarding the Stanley Cup champions. The Chicago Blackhawks have been working the phone lines hard as they attempt to fix their massive salary-cap issues. Our colleague from ESPNChicago.com, Jesse Rogers, has more in his blog.
But I can pass on that three Eastern Conference executives, who shall remain anonymous, told me Tuesday that Kris Versteeg, Dustin Byfuglien and Andrew Ladd are the three players being shopped the most, but Patrick Sharp is not available. At least not at this point.
The price for Byfuglien, specifically, is a first-round pick and a prospect.
“Good luck,” said one NHL GM, who requested anonymity. "No freakin’ way they get a first-round pick. They’re asking too much for all their guys right now.
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God I hope not all three of those guys are gone next season. Thats an entire fucking line.
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by HjammerTime on Jun 23, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
It's gonna happen...
But I’m ok with selling Buff high.. Ladd we can’t even make a qualifying offer on, and Versteeg would be on the team at a lower salary if it wasn’t for a faulty fax machine…
by Stan Mikita's Donuts on Jun 23, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
If Ladd goes to Vancouver Im gonig to be sick. Facing that guy every year in the playoffs would suck. He was a big part of our toughness the last few years.
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by HjammerTime on Jun 23, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe nobody will notice
If we slap a #16 on Buff and send him in Ladd’s place. I’d imagine somebody in their organization opening their mouth to complain, and everybody else saying hey, we’ll take him!
Hahaha
I would love to be a part of making this plan happen…
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by HjammerTime on Jun 23, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm okay with this
Yeah, it pretty much is an entire line, but what are the alternatives? I’m very glad they’re considering Sharp untouchable right now, I hope it continues. Unfortunately the rest of the GMs in the league know the Hawks are floating up Cap creek, i.e. “They’re asking too much for all their guys right now”, so they know they won’t necessarily have to throw the Hawks any serious quality in return.
“Buff for a first round pick and a prospect?” Ummmm, how about a zamboni and some sticks instead?"
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"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Buff is definitely worth a first round and a pick
People see his playoff performance, but we saw the Amazing Disappearing Byfuglien for about 78 games this season. Dont get me wrong, I love the guy, but if we can get that price, TAKE IT
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 23, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Playoff Buff is worth that
too bad Regular Season Buff comes with that. As many have said, I think that’s Stan’s starting point.
by Katherine215 on Jun 23, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't give a 1st Round pick for Buf
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Confusion will be my epitaph.
Stan's banking on the hope that other GMs would
but I don’t think anyone will either.
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by chiblackhawks on Jun 23, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok.
I think someone would if Buff played like this all year. Hell, if he did that, I wonder if he would even be trade bait.
by Katherine215 on Jun 23, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
he doesn't do that though
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Yes, I know.
I did catch a game or two this year, krome. I wasn’t clear. The way he plays in the playoffs is worth that if he played like that all year.
by Katherine215 on Jun 23, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I was pretty sure you'd remember "blah" as being his general MO
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Hopefully we catch
a few GMs in a drinking binge
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 23, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
You’re really harping on the obvious when it comes to Buff, krome.
Italian beefs >> Cheesesteak
Regardless of the Series outcome, Chicago dominates on the important points.
krome has been Captain Obvious
a lot lately!
by Katherine215 on Jun 23, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
too busy for nuanced analysis of late
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
it's always the same old thing with Buf
how wonderful it would be if he played all of his games like the several very good ones he has in a season
it just doesn’t seem that he has the personality for sustained high effort
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
I realize we have cap issues
and therefore I don’t really care if he stays or goes, but I just don’t see that it matters whether he brings it 82 times a year since he does bring it in the playoffs.
Italian beefs >> Cheesesteak
Regardless of the Series outcome, Chicago dominates on the important points.
well, half of the playoffs
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Confusion will be my epitaph.
They have to GET to the playoffs first.
I think he should be playing his best to help get them there if everyone else is.
by Katherine215 on Jun 23, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
This
and quite the selective memory, eh krome? Buff spent the first round playing a position he hadn’t played full time in 2 years. Then was pretty much a monster the rest of the way in.
I submit if Campbell didn’t get hurt, Byfuglien was pretty much a shoo-in for 20 goals this year. People love to complain about Buff not showing up, yet he was far superior in this department as opposed to the previous season.
Not to mention, it really doesn’t matter if he’s ineffective for 30 games or so, as long as he’s fire-breathing dragon in the post-season.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 23, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Good point about Buff on D.
He wasn’t great but he wasn’t completely hideous either. He had moments of bad but over all he played decently.
But to Krome’s point, Buff developed a bad rap for a reason. He plays adequately most of the time but then we see these flashes that are much better than adequate. One can’t help but wonder why he doesn’t play like that all the time. He doesn’t appear to play up to his potential most of the regular season.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
I think this is just a reputation
Byfuglien will never shake as long as he’s in Chicago. I mean, I can think of at least three other players who disappeared for long stretches throughout the season and didn’t receive the scorn that Buff does when he would go away for a few games.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 23, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Versteeg, Ladd, and Kopecky come to mind
It wasn’t so much that no one complained about them when they did poorly but no one ever seemed to complain about them even when they played well like with Byfuglien.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 23, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure we've ragged on Steeger and Kop plenty over here
We’re probably easier on Ladd because we don’t expect him to be a top-6 forward, even if he’s capable of playing there.
Like I said
I realized people ragged on them and realized they were benched for performances. It just seems with Byfuglien, people complain when he’s bad and then complain when he’s good.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 23, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a perception of not playing to potential
They’re angry because we know (or think we know) he can do so much better. But if you don’t think we do the same about Versteeg, just look at the SCH tagline…
Then re-calibrate your expectations and you won’t be as disappointed. It’s not like this was his first year here.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 23, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, I've done that
I’m not disappointed with Byfuglien personally. I’m just trying to explain the general sentiment, which I can understand, if not agree with.
I'm also saying
That paying him a lot of money would be a pretty big risk, because you’re paying a lot for a shorter time frame of good performance. The hot streak vs. consistency argument, if you will.
If we get a good offer, I would not mind seeing him go. If not, his versatility isn’t such a bad thing — it may have saved us this year.
I’m not hellbent on keeping him. A first-round and prospect is more than suffice. It’s just tiresome that people bitch about him being invisible for 78 games or coasting through the regular season when it was clearly not the case.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 23, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Some of that criticism is warranted
Maybe more in a comparison to Kaner sense than a comparison to other guys who’ve drifted around the 2nd/3rd lines. He was a team-low -7, after all. And playing with a ’Hawks team that was 2nd in the conference and killed everybody else on shot differential is going to inflate your numbers somewhat. Brouwer and Ladd both posted better numbers.
For the money he makes, that isn’t quite good enough. But for my expectations for him at the beginning of the season, that’s about what I was looking to get.
I don't think people complain when he's good.
We just wonder why he can’t play that way all the time. I think the difference is that there is a bigger differential between his good and bad play than with the other guys you mentioned.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
Um ok
let me re-phrase then. When he has a bad game, it’s Buff doesn’t care. When he plays well, it’s why doesn’t play like that all the time. If that’s not complaining, then color me confused.
No one does that for any other player on the Hawks.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 23, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
"any other player"
Versteeg skates across the blue line, tries to stickhandle through the other team and loses the puck:
“Steeger is so country stupid!”
Versteeg skates across the blue line, stickhandles through the other team, toe drags and beats the goalie with a beautiful top shelf wrister:
“VERSTEEG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (why can’t you play like this all the time?!?!)”
Right
but in Versteeg’s Hawk Obituary, no one will ever mention how he only showed up when he felt like it.
They will for Byfuglien’s. If you want proof, see above. That’s all I’m saying.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 23, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
If it's not that he shows up when he feels like it,
what else do you say to explain the significant difference in his level of play from regular season to post season? We see flashes from Buff during the regular season but it’s less consistent than other players, in my mind.
He even admitted this a bit himself after the Rangers game. Some reporter asked him where that sudden burst came from and why he doesn’t do it all the time. His reply? (paraphrased) Well, it’s hard to play like that all the time.
by Katherine215 on Jun 23, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
El Duque's Raft = President Buff Fan Club
Which is totally cool.
I agree VerStig, I don’t think we pick on Buff more than anyone else. My point above though is that Buff seems to have moments of great play, even great games followed by many games of not being visible on the ice. A guy with his size and skill should be having an impact, no pun intended, nearly every game.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
I think we definitely pick on Buff more than others. When people bash Buff it’s more for his perceived laziness and lack of effort … which is a pretty damning comment for a pro athlete, it speaks to his character. Versteeg gets more the “dumb decision” comments, Kop gets the fall-down thing.
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A guy with size
and limited skill. I’m turning myself into a Byfuglien apologist when I’m really not. And it’s not a matter of picking on one player more than another.
It’s just become the easy thing to say about him even when it wasn’t true most of the time.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 23, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe people overestimate his skill
He does have a good shot and can skate better than a lot of people think.
But unfortunately how much you get paid is part past performance and part expected performance. If he’s overestimated, he’ll also get overpaid.
I think people generally UNDERestimate his skill.
Until this past playoff season, that is. I think he has very good skills and surprising speed for a big guy. I guess that’s my point. We see flashes of that stuff and think, man, this guy could really be an impact player.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
He nearly won the Conn Smythe (not saying he would've been the right choice)
and was just under a point per game player in the playoffs. How is he not an impact player?
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 23, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
And he was just as effective last playoffs
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 23, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't misunderstand me.
I’m a Buff fan and I’d hate to see him go. I’m just explaining why people, myself included, are critical of him at times. I think the kid can be a great player if he does all season what we see him do in the playoffs.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
I was referring to the regular season.
No question he played very good hockey, for the most part, during the playoffs.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
No one seems to be saying he's not
an impact player in the playoffs. He had nearly half as many points in the playoffs as he did in the regular season – in 60 more games!
That is my frustration with him. We’re going to have more young guys next year, and he needs to step up for the whole year. My frustration is he hasn’t proven he will do that yet.
by Katherine215 on Jun 23, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Right
It’s similar to the question people have about Halak. Is his playoff performance a hot streak, or an indicator of future performance?
unfortunately, past performance
indicates a hot streak. he did this last year, and everyone was salivating for the same performance in the regular season. We ended up fairly disappointed.
by Katherine215 on Jun 23, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
And damn all of you for making me seem like a Byfuglien apologist.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 23, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Welcome to the club
I think a lot of us have been thrust into defending players even though we’re probably similar-minded in this.
I was just a little hungry for some good old hockey debate today.
this is me with Versteeg
CNS with Kopecky
and half of SCH with Huet
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by chiblackhawks on Jun 23, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Buff
I want him to play well. But I think he’s deserving of some of the criticism he gets, whether you call it taking shifts off or give it another name.
by Katherine215 on Jun 23, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
They're all deserving of some of the criticism
but again, with Byfuglien, it’s a reputation he has to wear like a scarlett letter. Doesn’t matter what he does, he won’t ever satisfy.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 23, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
i don't agree
I think he can absolutely satisfy by showing the fire he played with in the playoffs during the regular season.
Do you really think there wasn’t a significant difference in his play from regular to post season? All of them had this to a point, but Buff’s seemed more significant to me.
by Katherine215 on Jun 23, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Significant?
No. I think the Hawks use him differently in the playoffs than they do in the regular season. We’ve seen it two years in a row now.
The style of play he’s told to play in the post-season is absolutely not conducive to the regular season.
If this turns into fire and passion argument, I’m done.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 23, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I can agree with the first part
to a certain extent.
I never mentioned fire or passion, which was a rather condescending response. I think this discussion has been wrung dry for me.
by Katherine215 on Jun 23, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
you said this
“I think he can absolutely satisfy by showing the fire he played with in the playoffs”
And I wasn’t trying to be condescending, merely sarcastic as I twisted what you meant.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 23, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough...
I like Buff, but hope he plays like absolute shit once he leaves the Blackhawks.
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Goalies and position players are an impossible comparison
but I think I know what you mean.
Thank you Katherine for proving my original point. No one complains about Kopecky scoring nearly half as many points in the playoffs as the regular season.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 23, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure I've seen multiple instances
where people have said “if only Kop played like he has since the Olympics…”
I give up.
You’re right, dear, we’re wrong. LOL
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
by Badgerdano on Jun 23, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
We weren't talking about Kop
or I’d have brought his stats in. That’s a cheap way to make your point.
VerStig is right that many people commented that Kop has been a different player since the Olympics.
by Katherine215 on Jun 23, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Remember...
Past performance is no guarantee of future results. Or so we’re told over and over and over.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
Buff Kop Stig
The thing about Buff- his size fills the head with possibilities, like a scout “projecting” a young Billy Beane.
Versteeg is about the dimensions of my 17 year-old. Less of a perceived potential gap.
Kopecky wasn’t up and down- he was useless, then very good, then ok.
All 3 took a pretty good beating around here this year tho.
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I agree with you, 3 mil is a tad on the high side for his role, but I’d say only by about .5 or so max.
A first and a prospect is overpayment for him, and I doubt any GM would do that. If that’s offered, I’d take it. If not, I’d probably pass, especially if the first-rounder is a lower third.
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Not 'til we trade him
to some dreaded nemesis of course. Then he’ll be hell on wheels for 82+. Ain’t that always the way?
Our Cup.
it's like changing lanes
while sitting in traffic. That other lane ALWAYS speeds up right after you leave it.
by Katherine215 on Jun 23, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
the grass is always greener over the septic tank
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Confusion will be my epitaph.
this is true
Was kind of annoying getting the lawn mower all clogged up trying to mow that part of the lawn… and then having the blades miss everything else
I thought I was the only one this happened to.
"Life is a long lesson in humility."
- James M. Barrie
If we have to lose people, those would be my choices to lose
I wouldn’t like it, but if we get a first round pick for Buff, we’ll have done well. The news that Sharpie is not on the market can be nothing but good. I’m gonna love watching him center Hoss again next year.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 23, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we might see him back at wing
Or are we counting on Bolland to fill Madden’s shoes at 3rd line center for all of next season too? Or after jettisoning the rest of our checking line, maybe with a healthier Bolland we’ll have a more Philly-type, higher-scoring 3rd line.
Unless Madden resigns for stupidly cheap
we’re currently lacking a 3rd line center, so I figured we’d ice first line Toews, second line Sharp (which is good, because if for some reason Q decides to move Hoss to the Toews line and Kaner down, we know that Kaner and Sharpie have chemistry as well), third line Bolland, fourth line Frazier. The third line would be an agitator/energy line with some scoring oomph to it.
This all changes if we manage to trade for a lower-line center with a minimal cap hit, of course (in which case yeah, Sharpie to wing), but I’m thinking that’s probably not the highest thing on Bowman’s priority list right now.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 23, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I think
it is going to be Toews/Hossa and Sharp/Kane next year. Sharp plays well with Kane. Kane needs to be a RW in the defensive zone but a center on offense. Sharp allows him to do that effectively on the offensive end. He should be able to do likewise defensively.
I'd be surprised to see Q break up Kane and Toews that quickly.
When they’re on, they’ve got nigh-on telepathy on the ice with regards to tape-to-tape passes, and their chemistry is undeniable. Let’s face it, anyone you put on a line with the kids suddenly starts having career games (cough*Buff*cough), and there’s a reason for that. I like Toews with Hossa, but I’m not sure I’m counting on seeing them together as a regular line. More of a blendertime monkey wrench for the other team if Q thinks we need to shake up the offense.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 23, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Will have to be careful.
Sharp and Kane need a VERY good defensive center. Those guys were not horrible in the defensive zone in the playoffs but both get out of position easily. We know Q was uneasy with Sharp’s defense mid-season.
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
I thought this was with the understanding
that Sharp is centering the 2nd line.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Jun 23, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Q was uneasy with Sharp's defense?
When/why was this? I can’t seem to remember what you’re referring to.
by Katherine215 on Jun 23, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think we'd break up DDN that fast
I still see Hossa/Sharp next year with perhaps another attempt of Bolland as a 2nd line center.
if he stays on that line with Hossa and Kopecky
can we call them the Slovakian Sharpy Sandwich?
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Jun 23, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the SHoK line as a nickname.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 23, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
The Shocker?
Occam's Razor keeps the cutting clean.
by russellguldin on Jun 25, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
So long as Brouwer is on the third or fourth line
my nickname for any top 2 line that features Kopecky on a wing will be – “The why the fuck isn’t brouwer up there-line”, it’s a mouthfull, I know, but direct.
Now if Brouwer is up with Kane and Toews, Kopecky could conceivably be our best option for the second line.
Ditto for CNS
You have to set the opening price high.
That’s the only way you get to find out who the serious bidders are. Everyone knows it’s unlikely to be a 1st round pick for Buff, but you don’t get if you don’t ask.
Our Cup.
Versteeg is the most popular name I'm hearing
With great news about the 2010-11 cap coming yesterday I’m becoming increasingly optimistic about the pieces we’ll be able to retain
doesn't Toews' Smythe bonus
wipe out the cap increase? Or did we never figure that out?
by Katherine215 on Jun 23, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Peanuts
The cap increase was peanuts.
I now dare Rocky to take the next step and take take the penalty and go a bit over the cap. I say this not having a clue as to what the consequences are.
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
by HjammerTime on Jun 23, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Cap will be north of $59MM
In a tough US/Canada economy, that rise in the cap was probably the absolute best scenario
by Stan Mikita's Donuts on Jun 23, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure it is a good thing. It might mean being able to keep one additional player. It will by no means save the current Chicago Blackhawks.
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
by HjammerTime on Jun 23, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought the penalty
was playing with a short bench. I don’t know if I’m in favor of this.
by Katherine215 on Jun 23, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Is this why our system is stocked
with 5’ 10" and 5’ 11" players?
by VerStig on Jun 23, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
rats
If playing with a short bench is the penalty is the consequence then obviously you cant do it….I thought for sure it would be monetary.
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
by HjammerTime on Jun 23, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
It is the truest form of "hard cap" in sports
not lke that travesty in baseball where you just pay a “luxury tax” or whatever they call it.
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Would take it for these Hawks....
I would love to have that luxury tax right now…
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
by HjammerTime on Jun 23, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Am such a hypocrite
Hate the Yankees and that payroll attitude, but I’d kill to have it for the Hawks right now.
by shinkicker on Jun 23, 2010 1:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
so, 4 hours later I decide to post the same response as you
well, at least I added the NBA as an example too
Ditto for CNS
This isn't the NBA
It’s not a “soft” cap like the NBA has, in which owners have a lot more flexibility. The hard cap that the NHL employs has reprocussions.
Ditto for CNS
His Smythe bonus will not count against the 10-11 cap
:cheers:
by Northside_Dan on Jun 23, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
..
Are you sure about this? Ive been under the distinct impression that it would count against the cap.
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
by HjammerTime on Jun 23, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Checking
My buddy told me that there would be no bonus cushion. Some quick googling seems like he might be a dirty damn liar. I’ll keep looking
by Northside_Dan on Jun 23, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
From the internets
Everything I have seen as pointed to bonuses received by kane and Toews from their contracts will hit next years cap.
by Fightin Werds on Jun 23, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
The CS is not a bonus covered in a contract from the organization
it’s a league based bonus; it exists outside of contract stipulations.
Occam's Razor keeps the cutting clean.
by russellguldin on Jun 25, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
A friend of mine told me there is no such thing as a cap.
I’m going to stick with that.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
by Badgerdano on Jun 23, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
That bonus counts against next yr’s cap, which puts us dangerously close to the ceiling. This is why we’re shopping Ladd so hard, because we don’t have the cap space to qualify him. Qualifying Ladd puts us above the 10% cushion that we’re allowed to be over the cap. So if he doesn’t get traded for something, anything, he walks as a UFA.
Toews’ bonus essentially lost us Ladd.
www.mjt.org
What a terrible teammate
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jun 23, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope Ladd calls him a coward
straight to his fucking pig-nosed face.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jun 23, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
This policy
Of a performance bonus affecting next years cap seems to be meant more for a team that is bargain hunting and sand-bagging with an incentive-laden contract. There should almost be a review process to determine if it is reasonable to make the bonus (in this case, SCF MVP) hurt the team the following season.
The title of that is singular - "Revelation"
Sopel does seem to be a true solid citizen sort. With a young team like ours, he likely serves a big role in guiding the kids along.
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
I agree about him being a solid citizen.
I only wish he could skate and stick handle.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
Contract Renegotiation
These should be allowed by the NHL. Other sports allow it. Dam Union.
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
Brent Sopel is now on twitter
His agent, Norton Sports, announced it this morning. Apparently he’ll be tweeting his day with the Cup?
God I hope he doesn’t turn bitter like Havlat did last year. I feel like he won’t, but it’s still a little sad we might have to part with him.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
Well..
Not if it means keep the Superintendent around :)
Havlat’s thing was a one day blow-up. By the way, is he still alive?
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
by HjammerTime on Jun 23, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Would take it for these Hawks...
I would love to have a luxury tax right now…
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
by HjammerTime on Jun 23, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry
Reply fail…Disregard the post above. .
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
by HjammerTime on Jun 23, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I think SCH should sponsor a roadtrip to the HOF inductions
I would love one last chance to call Cicarelli a giant pussy before he disappears into the ether.
I'm not superstitious. I'm just a little stitious.
by AirTrafficAJ on Jun 23, 2010 1:28 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
A giant contingent of Hawks-sweater-wearing gents chanting, “DI-NO SUCKS! DI-NO SUCKS!” would be absolute aces, and well-deserved for that criminal.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
I'm in for this!
Dino Sucks! Dino Sucks! Dino Sucks!
(I always wanted one of the little inflatable dinosaurs to hang from the balcony railing for the North Stars games. It’s one of the great visual memories I have of the old place.)
"Life is a long lesson in humility."
- James M. Barrie
Good summary here
from Sassone today.
Excerpt:
If the Hawks send Huet to the minors in the fall they still must pay him, but his entire cap hit comes off the books.
Is this true? If so, welcome to Rockford, Cris.
I’m gonna say another Cup would be worth (furious scribbling, carry the one- hell, I’ll just mkae it up) $50 million to the organ-i-zation. Eating $5.6 million seems like a no-brainer.
Gentlemen! I have invented...this thing!
one of the other issues is WHEN it comes of the books
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
You can’t send him down until the start of the season … otherwise teams would send players down early, get well under the cap, sign players and deal with the repercussions during the summer. So he’s a part of our cap until Game 1, then he’ll go down.
www.mjt.org
I was under the impression
that the cap doesn’t kick in until the start of the season. During the off-season teams are allowed to go over the cap.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Jun 23, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
you may only go over within the allowable "tagging room" during the summer
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
that damn tagging room
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Jun 23, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm picturing an actual room
with a bunch of kids running around playing tag.
Gentlemen! I have invented...this thing!
I'll do this from now on
just like I think of the mythical alot beast whenever someone mentions “having alot of xxxx”.
Sorry … not a big difference, but teams can place someone on waivers 12 days before the start of the regular season …
www.mjt.org
Saltines!
You kept your promise, and I must say I love this selection. Although some amateurs may call them “plain” or “boring”, I highly disagree. Saltines are a wonderful creation, with subtle nuances of taste, texture and brininess; no two batches are the same. My favorite cracker to pair with sardines and tabasco.
‽ ⅋ ‽
The most ideal situation is that Huet plays in Russia.
Chicago Blackhawks - 2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Things have changed forever, we're the Ramblin' Boys of Pleasure
Whatever it takes.
Chicago Blackhawks - 2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Things have changed forever, we're the Ramblin' Boys of Pleasure
this
if only because, c’mon, there’s no dignity in going to the minors. How the Hawks handle Huet’s contract might influence how players view the organization, and their decision to sign with us should they be courted as free agents. Small thing, but I would feel better supporting an organization that treated its players right.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Jun 23, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And by "no dignity in going to the minors"
I mean for semi-veteran players like Huet.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Jun 23, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
"no dignity in going to the minors"
Passing through waivers means a player can be re-assigned or loaned. If Huet clears waivers I’m thinking he will end up outside of North America. Still can’t find what that means to the salary cap because the league agreements aren’t in the CBA. It does look like Huet counts against the summer cap, though, even if he goes to Russia or Sweden…
There is truth in that...
However, when a player is paid big money and doesn’t live up to it then the shoe is on the other foot. Wasn’t there a Cub, Grace perhaps, who lowered his salary or gave money back or something for not performing up to his contract? Or did I imagine that?
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
tragically, there is no contract renegotiation in the NHL
what I’m saying is, I would prefer if the Hawks tried to work it out with Huet (ie, talk to him about moving to the KHL) or something. I thought the Sharks were pretty classy with how they handled not re-signing Nabokov, for instance, even though Huet was never to the Hawks what Nabby was to the Sharks.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Jun 23, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
*crosses fingers*
Huet retires, becomes our asst goalie coach…Huet retires, becomes our asst goalie coach…Huet retires, becomes our asst goalie coach…
mine are crossed too.
did you get a nice lunch today?
by Katherine215 on Jun 23, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
"Huet retires"
Huet, can’t retire, if he does he is out of hockey for at least one year and out ~11M in money.
The Hawks can’t do a “wink wink” with Huet either because that is specifically used as an example of circumventing the rules. So NO you can’t offer an ambassador position to an active player. You can only make an offer like that after they retire.
who said anything about an ambassador position?
ahnfire had commented before that she wished Huet would retire and become the Hawks assistant goalie coach and mentor Niemi. I was agreeing. My last comment was about something else…
by Katherine215 on Jun 23, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sorry,
I’m honestly confused. Your link was to this blog post…?
I can’t be sure, but I don’t think I mentioned wanting him to be an ambassador anywhere, just retiring to become the assistant goalie coach. And that was just wishful thinking. Anyway, I think we have our signals crossed here.
by Katherine215 on Jun 24, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
link fail
Higher in the thread
in which case
the Hawks could pay him whatever they want, right?
Sorta like the Savard/Tallon precedents.
Gentlemen! I have invented…this thing!
by cliffkoroll on Jun 23, 2010 4:52 PM CDT
Tallon and Savard both worked for the team
That is what we have (jokingly) been referring to, Huet working for the team as a coach. Never mind, it was just a joke. No one actually thinks the team will hire Huet.
by Katherine215 on Jun 24, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
umm....well
i actually think the hawks WOULD consider hiring Huet as an assistant goalie coach. He’s a goalie, has a history with the Hawks, he’s supportive and encouraging, and great to have in the locker room. why not?
by puppetmasterp on Jun 24, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
but right now?
you really think he’d retire now just to take a coaching job with us? I thought it was a pipe dream, but maybe that was just me!
by Katherine215 on Jun 24, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
she went to Schaumburg. i ain’t going to bother with that shit, yo.
Italian beefs >> Cheesesteak
Regardless of the Series outcome, Chicago dominates on the important points.
in which case
the Hawks could pay him whatever they want, right?
Sorta like the Savard/Tallon precedents.
Gentlemen! I have invented...this thing!
classy...
…as in announcing on their website first?
by NesterenkosGhost on Jun 24, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
It would go against everything the organization has done for the players to treat him badly.
by Katherine215 on Jun 23, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
"treating players"
Creation of Payroll Room. Nothing in this Agreement shall
prohibit a Club from creating Payroll Room by Assignment,
Waiver, buyout, or as otherwise permitted under this Agreement
It is part of the CBA to allow a team to waive a player to create payroll room. So that is expected. Where the team assigns the player has more to do with how the organization treats its players, though…
I'm surprised....
that I’ve heard no word of moving Sopel’s Geico salary.
-Matt Cooke is a turd burglar. He burgles ALL the turds.-
-At least he's not Cam Janssen. What a bag of dicks that guy is.-
"no word of moving Sopel’s Geico salary"
Sopel’s contract really doesn’t have value and the only way to move him would be to give up a draft pick (asking price at the deadline was a second round pick). Unless he gets bundled into another trade, I don’t see him moving…
Off topic...
did everyone get their newspapers? Some of you let me know in some format (FB, email, here), but I forgot to make sure everyone did. If you didn’t get them yet, let me know. Otherwise, i’ll assume you did.
I'll check when I get home
My roomies apparently either don’t check their mail or have been using the other door, like me…
wow, yours definitely should have been there by now
i sent it 6/14 and they said no later than Saturday.
by Katherine215 on Jun 23, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think I'm just now realizing
That the pile of mail that’s been showing up on the kitchen table is no longer growing. There’s probably a massive crush of stuff in the mailbox right now.
I don't know...
I thought it would be there by now. i can’t remember what the post office said about yours though. :(
by Katherine215 on Jun 23, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
HoF Debauchery
I’m more pissed that Pat Burns was overlooked. The guy’s probably going to fucking die this year … they can’t get their heads out of their asses long enough to wait a year for Angela fucking James?
www.mjt.org
More evidence Patrick Kane has morphed into David Lee Roth
Shit
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
No shit.
It’ like headlines for onion articles. You know the article will be stellar, but the brilliance can be ascertained just by reading the headline.
It's the Chicago Blackhawks man...
it also saves time
of me deciding whether or not i need to read the article to learn anything more
by puppetmasterp on Jun 23, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Time elapsed until shirtless Kane photo surfaces?
12 days…way to keep up on that parade promise big guy!
FOR SALE: pair of shoes, red, size 32 1/2 wide. Please direct all bids to Joel Quenneville, Chicago Blackhawks. Clown horn sold seperately. Also for sale: 328 dogs+1 pistol (bargain price for Leafs fans!)
by BigCSouthside on Jun 23, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Does it matter?
did anyone honestly think this kid wasn’t going to have a bunch of one night stands? I’m sure he’s not the only Hawk, either.
by Katherine215 on Jun 23, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Really, who DID take the picture?
I hate how nothing is private anymore.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
Burish
it was an Eiffel Tower scenario
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 23, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Please
We prefer to use the term “spit roast” in these parts.
Chicago Blackhawks - 2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Things have changed forever, we're the Ramblin' Boys of Pleasure
Shit when I was 21
through, well, now, I did the same, theres just no pictures (that I know of). Get after it Kaner, just dont be a fool, wrap your tool!
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 23, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess that's why Burish was there.
(Not just to take pictures.)
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
no one cares, unless the woman was insuficiently attractive
then all the uproar begins, right?
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
There you go again
assuming it has to be a woman he’d be with. LOL
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
Umm
Zoom in on that picture… it is not even close to being Patrick Kane.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jun 23, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
That was my thought
Do we know for sure it is him? It could be someone who looks similar and they set up this shot. Why else would there be a third person in there taking the picture? Of course in all reality I’m sure he is getting quite a bit of tail these days so who knows for sure.
How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?
"About 15 seconds passed before anyone in the room realized he came."
lmao!!!!!!!!!
-Matt Cooke is a turd burglar. He burgles ALL the turds.-
-At least he's not Cam Janssen. What a bag of dicks that guy is.-
by G8K33P3R on Jun 23, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
BEST. COMMENT. EVER.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Jun 23, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
WOW
I don’t care if you don’t follow the sport or have never heard of these guys — but Nicolas Mahut and John Isner have passed 100 games in their 5th set at Wimbledon:
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/tennis/livematch/380703.html
Absolute marathon of a match, I think it’s passed 8 hours already.
Holy Shit!
Hats off to these men. True athletes.
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
God, I love the BBC
it’s still on TV here. I think they’ve shown the match in its entirity thus far.
They're lucky there's no lights at Wimbledon
Do any of the other majors have the no-last-set-tiebreak rule?
Lol
This is the commentator’s first tennis match on BBC television. This was meant to be him “cutting his teeth” on an easy 3-set match.
Also, Mahut just got his 92nd ace of the match.
and it's the seconf time they've done this
in THIS match
by puppetmasterp on Jun 23, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
If they'd kept playing continuously last night
the match would’ve still be going at sunrise this morning.
that reminds me of the day I watched Roddick defeat El Aynaoui. still one of the greatest tennis matches i’ve seen
Italian beefs >> Cheesesteak
Regardless of the Series outcome, Chicago dominates on the important points.
Or even Federer - Roddick in the final last year
I’ve only been watching for a couple years so that’s tops for me (I didn’t get to see the Federer-Nadal one that went 5 sets)
that was epic
this is just insanely long….
by puppetmasterp on Jun 23, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I can only watch on the mens side Nadal or that Federererererere
The women however is by far more interesting to watch
2009-2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Chicago Blackhawks
My FB status
“did you ever hear about the tennis match that thought it was a cricket test? It was so long it took 3-days!”
and this isn’t even exaggeration in this case.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 23, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Quick question/opinion poll
If/when we send Versteeg away, do you think Skille could fill the void created? I just thought of it this evening, it’s not a rumour or anything.
i think he has the potential to
but i don’t know enough about how he plays right now to really say
by puppetmasterp on Jun 23, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Plus how much we have in cap space for him
I think he is 1.5 million against the cap though I could be off
2009-2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Chicago Blackhawks
Skille was at $1.275 but 425 of that was bonus money (850 was base salary)
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Skille's next year salary.
You don’t have to match the bonus, you just need to offer more then the base so 900K would be his cap hit for a one year…
since ever penny will apparently count - minimum qualifying offer is $892,500
theoretically, they might not tender an offer and let him be an UFA – and try to sign him for less – but he was a low 1st rounder who has shown decent potential, so another team might snatch him then
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
it's comments/opinions like this
that make me wonder if maybe that 1st rounder and prospect MAY be doable after all.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Jun 23, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
In my opinion ...
I think this is a problem a lot of teams would like to have, especially after winning a cup. We’re stacked with talent and bursting at the seams. It will be sad to see some guys go but that’s the nature of the game. If they all wanted to stay here and keep the team together so bad they’d agree to all take pay cuts to make it work. Since that’s not happening, we’ll have to settle on a few fresh faces. My only hope is that the new guys are young so you can blame their awful play on youth and inexperience. I can’t handle another has-been, never-was like Nick Boyton taking up ice time.
by Billy Charlesbois on Jun 23, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Think that post
had a little too much anti-hawks bias. Would rather have the cup and face cap issues then be the sharks/kings who potentially didnt have the balls to get a guy like hossa/kovulchuk
by SergeiKrivokrasov25 on Jun 23, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Brent Sopel is my nominee.
The category: best dude in hockey.
God bless you Catfish. You’re so fucking classy it hurts. It hurts as much as the net sum of pucks you take to the body in a given year. Which is lots.
I want to buy a Sopel sweater.
It's the Chicago Blackhawks man...
by Campbell32 on Jun 23, 2010 3:16 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Well shit...
Guess I jinxed it with that comment.
Sad to see Sopes go…
Guess I’ll be able to afford that sweater easier (actually, probably not true. Kinda person who buys a Sopel sweater will be proudly rocking it years after the man has left our city…).
It's the Chicago Blackhawks man...
Class act there too...
Some of the best dudes get the worst shakes. I still dig Huey. I hope he winds up dominating the hell out of the KHL or something.
It's the Chicago Blackhawks man...
my background is the team photo on the ice with the Cup
Huey is fucking beaming. Makes me feel good every time I see it.
Gentlemen! I have invented...this thing!
I can't afford more sweaters
but I’m going to go buy myself a Sopel shirt.
hey maybe I can get it on clearance now? (wait, too soon?)
Does anyone know if the NHL awards are televised tonight?
I haven’t been able to find a time or listing for them.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 23, 2010 4:29 PM CDT reply actions
The salary cap
I don’t know if this has been posted already but the limit has been increased a little to $59.4 million this season which is a little more than most of us figured it would be, so a little bit of good news. Article from TSN.
2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS
It's been a long journey but in the end it was all worth it, and I wouldn't have ever changed a thing. The feeling is so surreal, yet so real.
How do you change your handle anyway?
I keep wanting to fix my typo, since I only recently realized that Wayne’s number was actually 22…
It's the Chicago Blackhawks man...
I don't want you to have to do this...
I don’t want him rapping on camera in any other sweater.
It's the Chicago Blackhawks man...
Buff, Sopel, Eager gone?
http://twitter.com/kausatoday/status/16878702732
Byfuglien, Sopel, Eager to Atlanta for first round pick (New Jersey’s), 2nd round pick (new jersey’s), Reasoner and Jeremy Morin.
That would be an excellent trade for the ‘Hawks as Morin is a top-notch prospect to go along with those 2 picks. I’d be suprised that Atlanta would give up that for Byfuglien with only one year remaining on his current contract, but who knows?
2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS
It's been a long journey but in the end it was all worth it, and I wouldn't have ever changed a thing. The feeling is so surreal, yet so real.
That’s with all his bonus’ included. His cap hit (if he should make the team this year which I doubt) would be $850,000 like most entry deals.
2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS
It's been a long journey but in the end it was all worth it, and I wouldn't have ever changed a thing. The feeling is so surreal, yet so real.
That looks like a very good deal
Clears out about $6.3 in Cap hit and only adds $1.15 (plus Morin’s hit IF he makes the team)
Morin looks like a good prospect and we get a couple decent picks
All in all, a good deal
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Bob McKenzie says
Chicago to send Byfuglien, Sopel, Eager and Akim Aliu to Atl for 24th overall pick, 54th overall pick, Marty Reasoner and Jeremy Morin.
http://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/16878942361
Kevin Allen reported the same deal, minus Aliu.
Fuck my life, Eklund actually broke this news first.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
Damn I have to say good deal if its true
so much for catfish in the parade eh?
2009-2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Chicago Blackhawks
Aw, Sopel!
1 year ago, I NEVER would have thought I’d be sad about this.
by Katherine215 on Jun 23, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
me neither
I’m waiting for a link on confirmation but if this is true, I have to say Good job on this trade
2009-2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Chicago Blackhawks
the guy was such a whippping boy all year
if he’s gone, I’m glad he ended on such an up note.
As McClure said, he’s a prince off the ice.
Gentlemen! I have invented...this thing!
He really is.
I learned a lot about hockey from Sopel.
by Katherine215 on Jun 23, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
It's like it was with Barker, but worse
Barker was amazing off-ice too… but I think Sopel earned a lot of our hearts on both sides.
I don’t like tha fact that Aliu has been added to this but getting another 1st round pick and Jeremy Morin is key.
I guess there goes that “if Buff is gets traded” shock. I’m very suprised that a team bit, but new Thrashers GM Rick Dudley (who used to be with the ’Hawks organization) must feel that this was worth it.
2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS
It's been a long journey but in the end it was all worth it, and I wouldn't have ever changed a thing. The feeling is so surreal, yet so real.
They also had
2 sets of 1st and 2nd round picks, so it was probably easier to part with them.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Jun 23, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
McKenzie seems to be the only one reporting Aliu. The others just have Buff, Eags, Sopes.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 23, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I’d go with McKenzie. We should make a fanpost and move this over there.
2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS
It's been a long journey but in the end it was all worth it, and I wouldn't have ever changed a thing. The feeling is so surreal, yet so real.
care to comment on the Buff trade?
OK, being a dick comes naturally to me.
Gentlemen! I have invented...this thing!
Throwin this out there...
Props to Eager too. For being our high intensity bruiser type of guy, the man had a pretty darn enviable amount of skill. Despite his bouts of ADD and psychopathically stupid brainfarts, he could sure put it together for stretches of time. Loved seeing him during these instances – see: late 4th line explosion with kops/frazz/eager, that SHOT that beat leighton from about 12 miles out. I’m gonna miss that goofy, seseme street tivoing, lumberjack beard having bastard. Cheers mate.
Oh, and to you Buff: fuck, I think it’s far to say that we all love you when you morph into Cam Neely. Here’s hoping you do that a whole lot in the future, except for against us… when you morph back into your regular season lazy waste of space.
It's the Chicago Blackhawks man...
Not too surprised
Rumors since last night that the Hawks were seeking a first rounder for Buff. Sope was and is a class act. Who fills Eager’s shoes?
GET OFF MY LAWN!
Bickell, Beach, big aggitator to be acquired later ... lot's of possibilites
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
as long as the possibility can somehow be phrase to start with “B”, it will be considered.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 24, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
adamjahns twitter: Working on finalizing the details. But it looks like Dustin Byfuglien has been traded.
Jahns is the Sun-Times Hawks beat man.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 23, 2010 4:42 PM CDT reply actions
Also from @adamjahns
No official announcement yet, but it looks like Bowman got the draft picks he wanted from Dudley in Atlanta
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 23, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
1st AND 2nd rounder
both New Jersey’s picks, so a little lower in the draft, but I’ll take it.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Jun 23, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Trade.
Buff-Sopel-Eager to ATL
1st, 2nd (NJ Picks), Prospects J Morin (Winger) and C M Reasoner (Center) to CHI
ESPN's got it too, now.
@ESPNChiHawks: If u didn’t hear buff sopel and eager to atl
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 23, 2010 4:50 PM CDT reply actions
Dam
Does this mean Sopel isn’t going to be at the gay parade anymore?
The worst part of this is it could mean Burish is coming back.
I fucking hate Burish.
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
He could still do the Parade.
He still gets his Cup day, and will probably hang out in Chi-town for at least another couple of weeks while he plans a move. So I’m not sure that the plans for the Parade have been scuttled.
I’ll be sad not to see him back on D, though. Dude sacrificed for us this year. I’m glad he has at least one Cup to his name, he seems like a guy who deserves it.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 23, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Burish is a goner as we still need to move about $4 million to get under this season’s cap.
2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS
It's been a long journey but in the end it was all worth it, and I wouldn't have ever changed a thing. The feeling is so surreal, yet so real.
Really?
I mean, dude doesn’t exactly pull down Roger Dorn money. Admittadly, I don’t know the exact numbers, but I feel like for what he brings in a leadership role and to the locker room, we could do worse for his sallary. You’ve got the “untouchables” and the “sellers” … I’d have placed Burish in the “whatever” collumn.
It's the Chicago Blackhawks man...
I am a fan of this
anything to keep #10 in town
by SergeiKrivokrasov25 on Jun 23, 2010 4:52 PM CDT reply actions
Eager's Twitter
Eager and Sopel just opened up Twitter accts. Eager’s now says:
“Apparently opening up a twitter account as a member of the Blackhawks gets you traded.”
lol
Aw. That really makes me sad. Poor Eags.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 23, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
sorry i meant Chiblackhawk's twitter
i’m on crack
by puppetmasterp on Jun 23, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I was all like "Wha?"
Chi is much funnier than Sunshiine. It’s still very funny.
Gentlemen! I have invented...this thing!
Aye, true
It just would’ve been fantastic had Eager himself written the comment. Not least because I would love to see Eager suddenly become Oscar Wilde.
hilarious
remember when Homer had the crayon removed from his brain and became a genius temporarily?
Gentlemen! I have invented...this thing!
Heh, sorry
I just think The Simpsons should’ve ended a wee while ago. Leave on a high, that sort of stuff, you know?
Agreed.
The one I was talking about was long ago anyway (“that thing… for to dig food”)
It was really sort of a reply fail on my part. Would’ve been more applicable tagged onto cliff’s post.
It's the Chicago Blackhawks man...
Haha, oh yeah, I forgot about that one
Man, I forgot just how many great quotes came from the Simpsons.
For sure.
My vocal inflection while using the word “good” gets chuckles out of my little brother, who recalls kent brockman’s llama attacks.
At this point in my life, I can barely even recall which parts of my daily speech patterns are directly stolen from that brilliant brilliant show.
It's the Chicago Blackhawks man...
Like DiMaggio?
‘Aye’ and ‘wee’. Are you Scottish yourself, or just going native?
Gentlemen! I have invented...this thing!
always meant to ask you this, knowing you're Scottish
how is you ended up into hockey, and a Blackhawks fan?
by puppetmasterp on Jun 23, 2010 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Long-ish story, but I'll try to cut it down.
Older brother & his friends were hockey fans (I think from watching Kevin Smith films), and when we went over to Florida on holiday (during the Lockout), my brother picked up jerseys for his friends. He liked the Caps’ jersey, so he bought it & became a Caps fan. We got free hats for buying the jerseys, & I decided I liked the Blackhawks’ hat, so I got it & didn’t think much about the team.
Then when I got back home, I started playing the NHL games, realised hockey was awesome, and decided to stick with the ’Hawks even though they were dire. I followed the ’Hawks online (and only through their own website) so I was under the impression Mark Bell & Kyle Calder were actually good. Then I found out they showed NHL games on TV here (sometimes), and I watched whenever I could. The more hockey I watched, the bigger a fan I became.
by Germware on Jun 23, 2010 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
actually i think you did a realy good job of cutting that down
i’d expect twice as long a response for a “long story”
by puppetmasterp on Jun 23, 2010 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
We need to do a story project on this!
This is way cool.
I forget what the original story project was supposed to be (reactions to winning the cup?) but how people became ’Hawks fans would be awesome too.
Really?
I thought it was kind of a shitty story.
But I s’pose, any story which ends in the ’Hawks winning the Cup is a good story, no?
the original project
was for all the stories of people’s reactions to the cup winning goal. I meant to look into it when the pace of new fanposts slowed down. or maybe i’m just lazy.
maybe this weekend
by puppetmasterp on Jun 23, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, no more "will we be able to trade Buff" talk...
but I’m going to miss Catfish. Although I’m glad they’re all in the EC.
thank god
we don’t have to go through anymore of the “So will Buff get traded? yes, he will. no he won’t! I refuse to talk about this anymore….but no he won’t….” convos
by puppetmasterp on Jun 23, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
funny how we have our ups and downs w/ the players
we yell at sopels speed, buffs lack of energy or everything during the regular season and now that they might be gone; I’ll miss the debates
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haha
I wont miss those, they were more painful than anything since I defended Huet
2009-2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Chicago Blackhawks
I know what you mean
I didn’t get involved, but I felt really sorry for Huet getting strung up like that.
I do not think it will matter which Hawk it is
But it will still kinda be a bummer when you hear “the Hawks traded…………….” or “………….Former Hawk signed with”. All of them made this a special year. Unless I hear the Hawks traded the Dead Guy for like, Alex Semin or Shae Weber, then I may be okay with it.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 23, 2010 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
A warm sendoff is deserved for Buff, Sopel and Eager.
Thanks guys.
by Hi, I'm Bob LeDonne on Jun 23, 2010 4:59 PM CDT reply actions
Definitely...
I had a feeling something like this was going to happen, and I think it’s a good trade even with AA, but it makes me sad. Going to miss playoff-level Buff, Eags post game puck shenanigans, and worst of all, no more “So Easy a Sopel Can Do It” jokes :(
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Jun 23, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh...
and it’s time to search for a new Avatar… :(
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Jun 23, 2010 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Too bad,
I really wanted to see what Eager could do on one of our top lines
On a side note, if we can sandbag Huet
and trade Campbell, maybe we can sign Kovalchuk and Nabby?
by Hi, I'm Bob LeDonne on Jun 23, 2010 5:00 PM CDT reply actions
And Chris Kuc joins the party.
Reports indicate #Blackhawks have traded Byfuglien, Sopel and Eager to the #Thrashers.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 23, 2010 5:01 PM CDT reply actions
So long Catfish
wonder if he still will be in the parade
When in Rome we shall do as the Romans, when in Hell we do shots at the bar.
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Jun 23, 2010 5:17 PM CDT reply actions
Salary Cap announced at $59.4M for 2010-11
More than the 58.6 some of us were using, the difference equating to about 1 entry level player.
ART.I§8-11; AM I-XXVII
James Madison is my Hero!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 23, 2010 6:39 PM CDT reply actions
I see Sharp Dressed Man and Kaner
Found themselves new girlfriends at the NHL Awards Show!
Nice!
ART.I§8-11; AM I-XXVII
James Madison is my Hero!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 23, 2010 6:52 PM CDT reply actions
mmmm
Me thinks it is Kaner. e seems to be in the middle of all that type of stuff.
ART.I§8-11; AM I-XXVII
James Madison is my Hero!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 23, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Congrats to Duncan Keith
Sharp appeared at the NHL awards with Captain, Kaner and New Teeth with the Cup. If he is representing the team, wonder if that means he is staying?
GET OFF MY LAWN!
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