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So Long, And Thanks For All The Fish

We knew it was going to happen, and the components were not a shock, but still, two weeks after a Stanley Cup victory, losing three key contributors from the roster can be jarring. From all reports, Stan Bowman has completed a deal to send Dustin Byfuglien, Brent Sopel, Ben Eager, and Akim Aliu to Atlanta for Marty Reasoner, prospect Jeremy Morin, and the 24th and 54th picks in Friday's draft.

Everyone knew that the Hawks needed to jettison some salary coming into 10-11, and Buff, Sharp, Versteeg, and Ladd were the prime candidates among the already crowded corps of forwards. Buff made himself the most expendable by underperforming during the past two regular seasons, and that he was (occasionally) a force during the playoffs this year allowed Bowman to sell high. Additionally, the Hawks have Kyle Beach ready to make a grab at a roster spot, and he's younger and cheaper, something the Hawks need to become. In trading Sopel, the Hawks do lose a very valuable penalty killer, but the fact of the matter is that his $2.2 cap hit is just too much for a #5 defenseman even on a team without cap woes. Eager is a restricted free agent, and Bryan Bickell seems primed to step into that role at a discounted rate after performing admirably when he had the opportunity this year. That Aliu was thrown in is not only an endorsement of Beach as they both do effectively the same thing, but also damning of Aliu, as he had regressed in his development and spent much of the year in the ECHL. He may pan out in the long run, but he's someone else's headcase for right now.

The lone roster player coming back is Marty Reasoner, a career serviceable 4th line centerman with a very friendly cap hit of $1.15 million, and he's likely to replace John Madden on that line. Morin had 40 goals in the OHL last season, so he's got a scorer's touch, but he's still likely a couple years away, which is obviously fine. Getting the picks was a real coup for Stan though, as that's what he was rumored to be asking for for Buff - a first rounder and a prospect, and that's what he got, and he was able to shed even more salaries with the other bodies involved as well. Keep in mind too, that those two picks are those that the Thrash received for Ilya Kovalchuk back in March, so they had house money in the draft to play with. That Atlanta GM Rick Dudley worked here for 5 years with Bowman made this an ideal match on all fronts, and it's easy to see why a deal got done.

My initial take on this is that this is a fantastic deal by Bowman. While no one can coach Byfuglien's size, the fact of the matter is that there are far more willing wingers on this team to go to the net in most situations, and all of them are more mobile than Buff. While yes, he has been a playoff "killer", keep in mind he did that killing against very inferior defensive corps in Vancouver and San Jose. The instant someone with as equal skill wants it more than Buff, he disappears, as evidenced by Games 1-4 of the finals, and pretty much every regular season game. I'll be thankful for his contributions, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it. As far as what ramifications this move has, it appears that the Hawks will now be able to qualify Andrew Ladd, one of the aforementioned willing wingers, who's only due a slight raise from his $1.6 hit. This also all but seals John Madden's exit, which is fine, as we all knew he was likely a one-year and done guy with the Hawks last July. It also makes Patrick Sharp even less likely to be moved, and it appears they're going to commit to him as the full-time #2 center. I'd still prefer a bona-fide second line center for he and Hossa, but that might not be doable given the fiduciary bind the Hawks are in, unless something really creative happens. Kris Versteeg can breathe a little easier as well, though if I were him I wouldn't go buying any lakefront property just yet. There's still more money to be shed, and losing guys like Burish or Fraser won't bring enough of a relief. Don't think for a second that this is the last move of the off-season, but as of right now, the Hawks got a very good return on some moveable assets, and didn't hurt their chances at a Cup defense, which is all that we can ask of the man named after the Chalice. Stan Bowman gets high marks from me on this one.

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I knew the team was going to break up

I didn’t think I’d be most broken up at losing Sopel – not because of his play, but because he’s just so awesome as a person. I’ll definitely miss all three, but teams need to keep moving or die stagnant.

Is Beach really ready to grab a roster spot? I was under the impression that he was still a year or two from making the leap.

by ahnfire on Jun 23, 2010 10:26 PM CDT reply actions  

i agree...

i think the sops thing is the worst. I could really care less about buff going, he only really showed up in the playoffs and on the west coast. i am also completly confident in ladder or brouwer taking his place and doing as good if not a better job then he did for a lot less money. we got that 5 mill sal. dump we needed and got some draft pics back for it. which will be good and help us rebuild for the future

fisting barry rozner with every goal!!!

by soupy's spin-o-rama on Jun 23, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

what's up soupy?

we were just all talking about what happened to you today – how’s arizona?

How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?

by stacie7 on Jun 23, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Az. is good

100 plus degrees and sunny every day. got sun posioning, it takes a little time to get used to the sun and heat here. u know, cried and ran a muck all across phx when the hawks won, got center glass tickets to the 2 hawks games down here, and thinking of getting season tickets so i can get my hockey fix.

fisting barry rozner with every goal!!!

by soupy's spin-o-rama on Jun 23, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

oo center glass tickets

your new job must be paying you well :P

by ahnfire on Jun 23, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol... nope

140 a ticket

fisting barry rozner with every goal!!!

by soupy's spin-o-rama on Jun 23, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

damn

I’ll look for you on tv during those games :P

by ahnfire on Jun 23, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

so we weren't really that far off

next thing we know, we’ll be graced by a snake-throwing ‘Yotes fan named shane’s amazing-Doanface

by VerStig on Jun 23, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol...

no i will always be a hawks fan, and will keep my sig. but i wouldn’t mind throwing a snake at some point. i might go to the game against the wings just so i can. lol

fisting barry rozner with every goal!!!

by soupy's spin-o-rama on Jun 23, 2010 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Glad you are having a good time (minus the sun poisoning)

I said the Coyotes probably brainwashed you into wanting to “throw the snake”.

How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?

by stacie7 on Jun 23, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol not yet...

but the really annoying thing about this city, is for a city that says the LOVE hockey and want to keep a team here, u can’t find a single piece of hockey equipment newhere, its super annoying.

fisting barry rozner with every goal!!!

by soupy's spin-o-rama on Jun 23, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

well it's not like you can wait till winter & then play pond hockey

you have to go to a rink, so they probably only sell that stuff at sports stores or ice rinks.

by ahnfire on Jun 23, 2010 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

i went to like 5 sport stores...

plus roller hockey exsist, or atleast i thought so

fisting barry rozner with every goal!!!

by soupy's spin-o-rama on Jun 23, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was just going to ask about roller hockey

maybe too hot for that there?

How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?

by stacie7 on Jun 23, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

who told you that?

I didn’t think Arizona had enough paved areas for that.

or maybe I’m confusing it with New Mexico…

by ahnfire on Jun 23, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're alive!!

how are you doing out there in the desert?

by ahnfire on Jun 23, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

its good...

hows the chi? hows the crazy t-storms and what not

fisting barry rozner with every goal!!!

by soupy's spin-o-rama on Jun 23, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

crazy cloud bursts aside

it’s pretty much the same. Although the number of males attending meetups has dropped significantly since you & BigC moved.

by ahnfire on Jun 23, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

damn straight!

Italian beefs >> Cheesesteak

Regardless of the Series outcome, Chicago dominates on the important points.

by meeshak on Jun 24, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

holy shit

you got the sand out of your keyboard finally?

Italian beefs >> Cheesesteak

Regardless of the Series outcome, Chicago dominates on the important points.

by meeshak on Jun 24, 2010 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

As to Sopes, McClure nails it
his $2.2 cap hit is just too much for a #5 defenseman even on a team without cap woes

I’d love me some Sopes staying if he was at 1.something, but alas.

Our Cup.

by 334Rules on Jun 24, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

we'll

find out about Beach’s readiness soon. If he can keep a level head and stay out of the penalty box, he could be a pretty solid rookie next year.

by aeroplane on Jun 23, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rumor has it

his discipline improved greatly throughout last season.

Our Cup.

by 334Rules on Jun 24, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've been reading..

Fifth Feathers minor league reports throughout the season and it sure seems like it.

by XxMJ20xX on Jun 24, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anybody else get the feeling

that the secondary purpose for Sopes was to get Hammer up to speed? Seems like Hammer became a man during the finals under the influence of Sopes.

by hairhelmet on Jun 23, 2010 10:28 PM CDT reply actions  

funny

it seemed to me that Hammer was the guy who got Soupy up to speed.

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by cliffkoroll on Jun 24, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sopel, not Campbell

though I am glad I’m not the only one reading it wrong half the time

by shinkicker on Jun 24, 2010 6:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

nah I got it

I was suggesting that Hammer’s manhood came much earlier.

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by cliffkoroll on Jun 24, 2010 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe during the regular season

but wasn’t Soupy our best D man in the playoffs last year?

by VerStig on Jun 24, 2010 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know that’s the “popular” version of what went on there. And a lot of people like to believe that. I wish I could, but I was “there”. I wasn’t here in a class room, hoping I was right, thinking about it. I was up to my knees in rice paddies, with guns that didn’t work! Going in there, looking for Charlie, slugging it out with him; while pussies like you were back here partying, putting headbands on, doing drugs, and listening to the goddamn Beatle albums! Oh! Oh! Oh!

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by cliffkoroll on Jun 24, 2010 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think so

and he was pretty darn good at a lot of points during the regular season tihs year too. Hjammer is a good complement for Soupy, I think they’ve probably learned from and played off each other.

by Katherine215 on Jun 24, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Love the move!

Buff as said here many times is a part-time player and for sure not worth 3 mil in today’s game. Love Sopel beyond belief. Such a tough player, leader, etc but just like Madden we gained a lot of leadership with our long run this year. Eager was frustrating and never lived up to his potential. Having with stacking picks and yes I do see more movies. Steeger, hopefully Huet and probably one other minor deal. Regardless the core is intact and we will be right there again. I don’t see Beach just yet and frankly couldn’t we bring back Frasor for cheap and that would allow us to keep Kyle down at Rockford? Hope so.

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Derrick Rose will lead us back to the promise land.

Tommy T is a defensive wiz!

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Laddddddddyyyyyyyyyyyy

by DRose#1 on Jun 23, 2010 10:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Awww

So was Buff the big fat dolphin to our favorite fish? At least it looks like we’re keeping the rat.

by VerStig on Jun 23, 2010 10:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Anyone got the cap analysis after these moves?

How much did we clear? How much more to go? I’m thinking Versteeg is next on the trade block.

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by Preacher000 on Jun 23, 2010 10:59 PM CDT reply actions  

bingo.

I think/hope he’s next, andd the rumor is that the islanders are interested

by blackhawkeyes on Jun 23, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe it was $4.18 mil cleared.

by Ban on Jun 23, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

They have close to 6 million in cap space

but only have 13 players signed.

Here’s some more info from Capgeek website

http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=11

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Jun 23, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's leaving as assistant coach

to become assistant coach? I wonder why he’d be interested in a lateral move.

by ahnfire on Jun 23, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

especially with a team

not likely to make another Cup run! Torch, I’m disappointed in you.

by Katherine215 on Jun 23, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

almost makes me wonder

if this wasn’t entirely his decision?

by VerStig on Jun 23, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

an excellent observation

and if it’s true, powerplay issues may have doomed him

Ditto for CNS

by Hack on Jun 24, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Atlanta Thrashers

have now become Chicago Blackhawks South East

How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?

by stacie7 on Jun 23, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

and here we were all convinced it would be Florida

but with an ex-assistant GM it’s not so far off, huh? maybe somebody really is working on that “use another team as your farm team” approach, behind the scenes

by VerStig on Jun 23, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Old man...

Chili too!

Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"

by HjammerTime on Jun 23, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Those Florida/Altlanta battles

may now be worth paying attention to. Time to re-up the Centre Ice package.

"It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man." - Jeremy Roenick

by The Fearless Freep on Jun 24, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah that is odd

though i was right in thinking that Torch would be heading to the ATL after the trade today, but not exactly what i was expecting

by puppetmasterp on Jun 24, 2010 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

wow!

Well, at least he got to take one very large piece of his power play with him…

But for all the crap we gave him, I’m pretty sure Torch made a huge contribution to our success just the same. He will be missed as well.

by VerStig on Jun 23, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

we shall see

make sure to pack the clown shoes.

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by cliffkoroll on Jun 24, 2010 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

thats what i dont get

this move makes no sense to me other than that he wants to be around rick dudley

by sec. 317 on Jun 23, 2010 11:09 PM CDT reply actions  

forgive me if my alzheimers is acting up

but isnt that way higher than it was projected to go up?

CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS-2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS!

by elpjuly4 on Jun 23, 2010 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

depends.

At one point, the CW was that the cap could fall a few million dollars. Then it was thought that it would stay the same and then it was thought that it would go up $2mil.

Having it increase by 5% was a very fortunate thing for us.

by aeroplane on Jun 24, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's cool when winning teams sell assets at highest perceived value

especially for youth and draft picks. Bodes well for the team’s future when the GM is pruning and re-shaping. I’d be happy if I were a Hawks fan.

by flyersfaninchicago on Jun 23, 2010 11:30 PM CDT reply actions  

This trade isn't bothering me nearly as much as I thought it would.

OK, I thought ANY trade would bother me a lot, but this one isn’t killing me inside. Though I really did like Buff. I think Eager and Sopes are easy to replace.

It’s the next trade that will probably get to me. And if it’s just to dump salary I’d expect it to be Steeger, though I think we’ll miss his great hands. And you just know that he’ll be dumping the puck in all the time for his next team.

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by Preacher000 on Jun 23, 2010 11:35 PM CDT reply actions  

RFA's...

Let’s get Nemo and TOFTBO locked up long term on the relative cheap. But more important, let’s hope Stan isn’t too short sighted with the signings.

To me there is no player that’s an RFA/UFA right now that is more important that Biscuit’s RFA year next year. Let’s make the moves to ensure we can lock him up long term next year while still being able to defend our crown effectively.

by Stan Mikita's Donuts on Jun 23, 2010 11:48 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm with you on that one ...

I know it’s a ways out and there are already enough balls in the air as it is, but I think they should definitely have that on their minds when they are making moves this offseason. Having Keith, Campbell, Seabrook, and Hjalmmerson locked up means having one of the most versitle defenses in the league. I think that is much more important than say, re-signing Ladd or clinging onto Versteeg for another up and down year.

by Billy Charlesbois on Jun 24, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m a Sopes fan for life. Nothing but the best for you in life.

by aeroplane on Jun 24, 2010 12:04 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

same here. and may i add that if ANYONE deserves to have a really hot wife, I have to say it’s him.

by puppetmasterp on Jun 24, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm surprised that's the move that upsets me most

I know it makes sense, but it stings a little. I hate this time of year.

The sun never sets on a badass

by Trixietrx on Jun 24, 2010 2:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Same here

While Sopel can be frustrating at time, he’s a major part of why the PK has been so good. Add to that the fact that he’s just good people, and I’m sad to see him go.

I will miss Buff somewhat, but I won’t miss the frustration of his regular season performance. And while I’ll miss making Sesame Street jokes, I won’t miss Eager’s time in the sin bin for stupid crap, and I definitely won’t miss watching him call the opposing teams’ players faggots when he gets riled. :P

by rsncrntz on Jun 24, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

No more

Eager SMASH. That’s all I’m sad about with Eager, especially after the things you listed that had receded in my memory

by Katherine215 on Jun 24, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I will just remember

his pretty playoff goal (and the Eager SMASH, i suppose, that was fun to watch).

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark

by gwood on Jun 24, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Hitchikers guide to the Galaxy" shout out.

Maybe we can use an improbability drive to fix the rest of our cap woes. McClure, You’re turning into a penguin. Stop it! Anyone who has not read this book, should do so now. And no the movie DOES NOT do this book any justice. Anyway, congrats Dunc. Thank you, and good luck, Buff, Sopes, and Eager. Stan, So far so good on turning chicken shit into chicken soup.

by alive again on madison on Jun 24, 2010 12:12 AM CDT reply actions  

Space is Big.

Really, Really Big. If you thought the trip to the corner chemist was a long way, well that’s nothing comapred to Space. You just wont believe how Big Space is.

by northernsails on Jun 24, 2010 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

That line just drips with its English worldview.

Italian beefs >> Cheesesteak

Regardless of the Series outcome, Chicago dominates on the important points.

by meeshak on Jun 24, 2010 1:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh god! I'm watching Blazing Saddles

“Scuse me while I whip dis out”

So effing funny!

by northernsails on Jun 24, 2010 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

but Owen Wilson had a similar line in Armageddon

something like “Yeah, we’re in space. But we’re not even in outer space yet.”

Also Bill Bryson’s “A Short History of Nearly Everything” is an amazing layman’s take on the history of science, which includes a couple of pages that put the whole notion of the size of Space into perspective.

Too much fucking perspective, some may say.

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by cliffkoroll on Jun 24, 2010 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

What makes the line from Hitchhiker’s so English is the comment that “you thought the trip to the corner chemist was a long way,” because it’s so true. Distances in Britain are tiny, and they are universally considered huge. “Oh, God,” they’ll say, “you want to had to drive from London to Nottingham? Why, that’s almost two hours! I certainly hope you didn’t have to go on a Sunday.”

I’ve read Bryson’s book. It’s very good, probably the best popular history of science.

Italian beefs >> Cheesesteak

Regardless of the Series outcome, Chicago dominates on the important points.

by meeshak on Jun 24, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, two hours is also a long time

for people on the east coast. Well, on weekends anyway. The rest of the time that’s the norm because of the traffic.

by VerStig on Jun 24, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

The East Coasters I knew in Britain thought the British were ridiculous, so I think there is some difference.

Italian beefs >> Cheesesteak

Regardless of the Series outcome, Chicago dominates on the important points.

by meeshak on Jun 24, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I read a saying somewhere

“Americans think 100 years is a long time, the British think 100 miles is a long distance.”

I’m probably mangling it, but you get the gist

by shinkicker on Jun 24, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like this

I like it a lot

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by cliffkoroll on Jun 24, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know

just looking for somewhere to plant the Owen Wilson and Bryson stuff, and your comment seemed like a good place.

I agree with the quintessential Englishness. I mean, chemist; that shit is just precious.

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by cliffkoroll on Jun 24, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m glad you did make that comment. Bryson’s a genius. Have you read Notes form a Small Island? I don’t know if it’s funny if you haven’t traveled/lived in England, but that book is like a window into British idiosyncrasies.

by meeshak on Jun 25, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've recommended "Notes form a Small Island"

to friends and the people that liked it had been to England. “Mother Tongue” is another book by Bryson that I’d recommend to anyone who has spent time in England.

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Jun 25, 2010 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hear, hear

Any and all of Bryson’s stuff is fucking awesome.

Just bought The Lost Continent (more Americana-ish) for my dad for Father’s Day, and by Tuesday, I’m like “Finished yet? Cuz I haven’t read that one yet.”

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by cliffkoroll on Jun 25, 2010 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

also...the title of the thread

is, i think, the fifth book in the Hitchhiker series.

by northernsails on Jun 24, 2010 1:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh now that's quick Joel

You always been so quick?

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by cliffkoroll on Jun 24, 2010 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

heh

Italian beefs >> Cheesesteak

Regardless of the Series outcome, Chicago dominates on the important points.

by meeshak on Jun 24, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

First time posting

But found it humorous that on the the Thrashers site they cited Eager as: Ben Eaves.

by BodomSlayer on Jun 24, 2010 12:17 AM CDT reply actions  

um....am i the only one

who thinks that sounds like a porn star screen name?

by puppetmasterp on Jun 24, 2010 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe a FAILED porn star.

I mean, who’d want to do a scene with the guy?

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by Preacher000 on Jun 24, 2010 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I got Crabbs

…but think of the potential double entendres!?!

I’m sure there’s a market somewhere for itchy junk porn.

Schadenfreude ist die schönste Freude (denn sie kommt von Herzen)

by bobby h on Jun 24, 2010 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I got Crabbs

Oduya?

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-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)

by HungryHungryPanda on Jun 24, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

He eez zee cousin

of Buster le Body Crabbe.

We thought he was lost in zee kerosine floods.

Our Cup.

by 334Rules on Jun 24, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

for Cheech & Chong reference

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Jun 24, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Joey Crabb might be a porn star

He has played with the Chicago Wolves (cups of coffee with the Thrashers also) for about the last 3-4 years. My daughter says he’s a bad boy and she also says he’s kind of hot.

LUigi was found dead at the scene, murdered by a Chelsea Dagger.

by pucknut on Jun 28, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

5.5 Quake

So I didn’t see it in any other threads with all of the trade talk, but Ottawa got hit with a 5.5 quake today. Anyone know if the Senators organization and buildings are all good? Would be a big shame if it hurt them in any way =\

by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Jun 24, 2010 12:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Haven't heard anything

And a 5.5 isn’t that bad. One about that size hit Northern Mexico/San Diego last week and there was little to no damage

by shinkicker on Jun 24, 2010 6:58 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

We just had one here not long ago.

A little west of Geneva, 4 .8 I think but could be wrong. Freaked the crap out of me at first, couldn’t sleep so was laying on the couch watching TV at 3:00 in the morning.

by CaptDirk on Jun 24, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've slept through more earthquakes than I've been awake for

But I’m from the San Francisco suburbs, “retrofit” was a vocabulary word in the 3rd grade.

by shinkicker on Jun 24, 2010 9:20 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

remembering that Ricter Scale is an exponential scale - 5.5 is not bad

An 8 is 10 times worse than a 7
A 7 is 10 times worse than a 6
A 6 is 10 times worse than a 5

Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Jun 24, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

my mirror was shaking

here in nYc. Live in a rather old building, so for a second I thought the structure had finally given up and was more than happy to fail.

by aeroplane on Jun 25, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

i've slept through 2 earthquakes this year

and barely missed witnessing a major volcano eruption. im good for the rest of the year….i hope.

by puppetmasterp on Jun 24, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Sens are a team that don’t need an external, actual earthquake to be shaken to the core … it happens due to mental weakness about every other month.

www.mjt.org

by ChicoMaki on Jun 24, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Everything is fine here in Ottawa.
Cumberland was the worst hit of all areas but nothing substantial.
It definitely was a weird feeling that’s for sure.

2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS
It's been a long journey but in the end it was all worth it, and I wouldn't have ever changed a thing. The feeling is so surreal, yet so real.

by hawks61 on Jun 24, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

nothing is over

I’ll applaud Stan if he can hold onto Versteeg, which I think means something creative on the Huey sitch.

Delivering all key players other than Buff and Versteeg is not, IMO, a great GM accomplishment.

All others (Nintendo, Nemo) are probably safe at ths point.

Also, good point on Biscuit next year- clearly a core guy.

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by cliffkoroll on Jun 24, 2010 12:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Is that the question? Shit, the computer finally figured it out and no one even realized it.

Italian beefs >> Cheesesteak

Regardless of the Series outcome, Chicago dominates on the important points.

by meeshak on Jun 24, 2010 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Starting to look to me

after the Frazzle trade, that we may only have to dump one of Ladd and Versteeg. I will be very disappointed if either leaves, but much better than losing both!

by VerStig on Jun 24, 2010 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

There are only 13 players

on the Hawks roster right now and they only have 6 million in Cap Space. I think the Hawks still need to dump about 7-8 million dollars of the current payroll so that can fill out a 21 man roster.

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Jun 24, 2010 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

ugh

now you’re making me feeling like charting this out myself…

Are the numbers on capgeek.com the cap hits for players?

by VerStig on Jun 24, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes the numbers

are from Capgeek. I put a together an estimated roster of players and salaries. I came up with around 65 million to have 21 players. By the way, the roster isn’t all that pretty.

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Jun 24, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

VerStig gets sucked in

muahahahahah!

/kicks back, hands behind head, waiting

Gentlemen! I have invented...this thing!

by cliffkoroll on Jun 24, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

As of right now I feel more like making other people answer the hard questions for me

Like, how much room we should expect to have after bonuses — anyone figure that out yet?

by VerStig on Jun 24, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

other teams' fans are doing a lot of it for us

the blogger on Jewels from the Crown (Kings site) has put in a lot of work on it, there’s an article up on their main page.

by puppetmasterp on Jun 24, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe I'll stick to statistics

I just discovered that there even bigger stats nerds than I am out there, and they’ve already tried most of the stuff I thought was new, like logistic regressions (which I now think are too obtuse to be of much use).
http://hockeyanalytics.com/

by VerStig on Jun 24, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dude!!!

Get on it man. We want you to be THE best stats guy on ANY blog. ;-)

by husler777 on Jun 24, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

kind of a stats novice

but I just used a logistical regression analysis for a demographic forecast at work.

It was so cool- for a couple days, I knew what it felt like to be VerStig.

Gentlemen! I have invented...this thing!

by cliffkoroll on Jun 24, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

You should take over

I had to learn it to write up that FanPost… and I haven’t touched it since

I should just find a way to quantify the “eye test”

by VerStig on Jun 24, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like the article though

Very concise and very clear (link). Their numbers for re-signing our RFAs look about right. My only complaint is advocating buying out Soupy is idiotic, but short term AND long term.

I’m fairly certain either Ladd or Versteeg is gone. Or if we’re getting something back, maybe both. After that I think the rest of the moves are small, unless we do a trade involving big players.

by VerStig on Jun 24, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

By my figures

If we were to sign Hammer, Niemi and Ladd each at $2
Burish at 725k (same as last year)
Hendry at 715k (minimum qualifying offer)

Then we would be at 18 players with a -1.422 mil Cap position

We would, realistically, need to clear out about $4 to 5 million more to respectably round out a 22 player roster.

If Versteeg goes, that’s $3 million (of the needed 4 to 5) cleared – less whatever Cap comes back in the trade

Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Jun 24, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

And those figures don't have any carry over penalty for this year's bonuses

because I can’t find any real, reliable confirmation as to what – if any – that is

Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Jun 24, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm

Still color me very confused, but we can go over by 10% for now, right? Worst case if we’re still over, we’ll have to dump Huet in Rockford later. But 10% over the cap is what we have to work with for now, is it not?

by VerStig on Jun 24, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the report (below) is correct as to bonuses putting us $3.7 over 2009-2010 Cap

then we’re still needing to clear about $7.5 to 8.5 million to get a respectable roster, along with keeping Hammer, Niemi and Ladd

that is an extremely tall order if Huet can’t be moved – and doesn’t leave us any real (or significant) tagging room

Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Jun 24, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

So

this means another deal sometime over the next week?

*shudders*

by VerStig on Jun 24, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m gonna rec this so cap numbers might get thrown around a little less willy-nilly.

www.mjt.org

by ChicoMaki on Jun 24, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm going to check through all those numbers again...

Because if no one beats me to it in the next few days, I want to make an official fanpost for everyone to play GM for a day. I figure I’ll put up all the applicable numbers from Cap Geek for an accurate baseline, then let people go from there, as far as estimating RFA raises, returns from trades, free agent signings, etc.

by Hjammer of the Gods on Jun 24, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

It can only be an estimate anyway. Very few people outside of the Hawks organization are going to be able to post anything completely accurate.

I could spend a day on capgeek … the ability to play around with numbers there is a really great option.

www.mjt.org

by ChicoMaki on Jun 24, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe send an email to Tallon

Hey Dale? Wha’d ya sign all the boys for last year?

by husler777 on Jun 24, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm close enough to these numbers to say we're essentially agreeing

Capgeek showed us at $55,414 right now
nhlnumbers showed us at $53,382

I’ve been using nhlnumbers figures.

Huet is on our books until jut a couple weeks before the season starts – and represents $5.625 of the $5.940 cushion of tagging room

Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Jun 24, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

my own chicken scratch

included Ladd, Nintendo, and Nemo for $6 million total. Is this realistic?

Huey’s contract seems roughly in line with the 10% cushion, so mebbe the Hawks can sign the RFAs, then send Huey down before the season and keep Versteeg if they round out the roster (including #6 d-man) for something like the minimum.

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by cliffkoroll on Jun 24, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was assuming $2 mil each with my "try to be realistic" projecting

and several no (or minimum) raise and 500k scrubs to fill out having 22 player under contract and rostered for the season

If we have no bonus penalty carryover – we’d still need to shed about $3.6 million to meet Cap (so the Huet strategy could work)

If we have bonus penalty carryover of $3.7 – we’d then need to shed about $7.3 million to meet Cap (and the Huet strategy is not enough)

Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Jun 24, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even -1.422 under the cap, though, is not enough. Our cap next year is roughly 4 mil less than the actual number … due to this year’s performance bonuses counting against it.

www.mjt.org

by ChicoMaki on Jun 24, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry - that was $1.4 OVER the Cap - NOT UNDER

Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Jun 24, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, you did say

-1.4 under, so, being of mathematical mind, I read it as 1.4 over anyway…

by Germware on Jun 24, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

A lot of work

But not a lot of brains. Today’s conclusion was to buy out Campbell. Reading too much of their ongoing dipshittery on the Hawks cap issues will make your brain resemble Eager’s. Though in Atlanta, he might be considered an intellectual giant.

by Hjammer of the Gods on Jun 24, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

i find it reassuring

esp when people come on here and tell us how much we’re screwed, how much we should be resigned to having a team that sucks next year, how much they want to poach our players (including crazy amounts of wishful thinking for Patrick Sharp), etc….

It makes me feel better to go and see what others think are solutions/likely moves for us. and some of the crazy solutions they suggest make me feel better, b/c it shows they don’t necessarily know any more about the situation.

by puppetmasterp on Jun 24, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup

I think their most recent post is maybe the 5th or 6th in a series. If I were to correct all the cumulative errors and ridiculous statements in red pen, my monitor would be unreadable. Don’t get me wrong, if you want to check the stats of the situation and report on what you find, great, but do more than 10 cents worth of research on the players before playing GM.

by Hjammer of the Gods on Jun 24, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah but they don't have Buff gone

At an admittedly quick glance trying to sort out the mistakes, I think after we move Huet we’d only need to move Ladd out to be right there.

Rod Stewart aside, the last cut is the deepest methinks.

by husler777 on Jun 24, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rod Stewart?

i was thinking it was Sheryl Crow

by puppetmasterp on Jun 24, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm an old guy

Well…maybe not THAT old. Waiting for someone to call out Cat Stevens…..

by husler777 on Jun 24, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was going to call out Cat Stevens

until I read your comment. After all, he did write the song.

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Jun 24, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

First cut, but close enough.

39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.

by Badgerdano on Jun 24, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't even notice

 the “last” cut. I just saw Rod Stewart & Sheryl Crow.

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Jun 24, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

well yeah

I meant last cut. We will eventually get down to needing ONE more guy cut to make it…and that one will hurt the most I think (Sharp? Ladd? Vesteeg?)….the last cut.

See what I did there?

by husler777 on Jun 24, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see what you did

and I agree any of those 3 will be the deepest. What if the last cut is either trading or sending Huet to Rockford? haha

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Jun 24, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

all of the posts are in chronological order

and all of the facts are correct. let’s see what you’ve got.

I’m quite sure what you think are mistakes of mine are actually, well, not. But, please, be specific.

or else retract the insults

you’ll notice I haven’t been calling you crazy etc…

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jun 25, 2010 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think he meant facts per se

but rather the assessment of the players, maybe qualitatively? As in who we think remain good fits for the team, versus who we can afford to let go.

Of course, there’s always going to be at least a twinge of homerism in these kinds of discussions.

by VerStig on Jun 26, 2010 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

totally

and, just to underline, I wasn’t making any particular assessment of anyone, other than to say

untouchable: Kane, Toews, Keith, Hossa, Seabrook
bad contracts: Campbell, Huet, Sopel
contracts that will clear real space if moved: Sharp, Versteeg, Bolland, Barker, Byfuglien

also, i f-ing hate contracts that make a good (or great) player less attractive, which is what happened in Campbell’s case. I agree he’s an excellent player. Same with Kopitar, in the Kings’ case; he’s very good and getting better, but $6.8MM is a big chunk of our cap space. You can only afford so many of those guys.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jun 26, 2010 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

ibid re the "a lot of work but no brains" comment above

Do the math. Show me your solution. Or don’t, because it’s all going to come out in the wash over the next several weeks.

I wouldn’t mind knowing what you’re talking about when you say “it shows they don’t necessarily know any more about the situation…”

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jun 25, 2010 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

take it easy, and take the posters one at a time, not as a whole

i don’t necessarily prescribe to the insults above (i didn’t reply in agreement to them. my next post had to do with Sheryl Crow after all). I’ve clearly been reading your posts, and haven’t found them idiotic, or else i wouldn’t have recommended them to other posters here who were looking to crunch cap numbers.

I do agree with some of your solutions. especially anything that involves trading some combo of Sharp, Ladd, Bolly, or Versteeg. I personally think they wont get rid of Sharp if avoidable (i.e. last) b/c his price tag/cap hit is so unbelievably cheap for what he brings to the table. we can plug him in any offensive position we need (center, wing, any line). The team has indicated recently that they have no intention of moving Bolland — so I’m expecting Ladd or Versteeg to go next. ACTUALLY, i expect both.

Trading Hossa is POSSIBLE, i just don’t think it’ll happen. He adds so much to our offense, not just personally, but in making other players around him better. And the way they structured his contract, spread out over the number of years (despite being front-loaded) does present benefits, and supports the idea of not moving him.

The buyout of Campbell is what I see as completely improbable. He does in fact add a lot to our defense, and for many reasons brought up by others here (maybe not all on this thread, but a bunch over the last week), it just doesn’t seem to add up to a smart financial decision, either short or long term. this reply is already getting really long, but if you want, i can try to pull together a list of such reasons tomorrow or something.

so all of the above means this: essentially you came to a bunch of conclusions that i did, in addition to suggesting conclusions i find highly improbable (this even after considering the fact that in our situation, not much is really off the table). Now considering i came into this whole “cap debacle” feeling like i didn’t know a whole lot about it, i find all of the above reassuring, both in my understanding of the cap situation (i’m not as far behind as i thought in understanding it), and in my fear of getting caught off guard by something management does in the next couple week.

i can’t speak for the others, but that’s all i meant. Though i do stand by my “wishful thinking for Sharp comment.” I’ve honestly lost track of the number of blogs on which i’ve read “hey, we can still get Sharp i hope,” or something to that effect. Everyone wants him, everyone thinks they have leverage to get him, and i don’t think we’re likely to move him except as an absolute last resort. but hey, i could be wrong.

i do enjoy your posts in general, btw

happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!

by puppetmasterp on Jun 26, 2010 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

+2010

Agree with every point here. I think a Hossa trade is just as improbable as a Campbell buyout (if anything, a Huet buyout is more probable than this, but not by much — I don’t think that is the best option either).

I’ve been afraid to say so but I think you’re right that both Ladd and Versteeg are gone. But I have my fingers crossed in the hope that Stan will use some of Kaner’s black magic to make something work.

by VerStig on Jun 26, 2010 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn't directing anything personally at anyone

mostly because I don’t know anybody here. I didn’t mean to round everyone off to one big angry red tomahawk.

I concur 100% that buying out Campbell (and trading Hossa) are improbable. What’s interesting about this particular situation is how quickly one arrives at improbable solutions. It just emphasizes, I think, how likely the first couple solutions are (trading some combination of Byfuglien, Sopel, Sharp, Versteeg, Ladd or Bolland).

When I was writing about this a year ago, I decided the plan was Cup or bust and then trade Huet at peak value. Add the rise of Niemi to the list of improbable outcomes.

Frankly, I thought the Byfuglien to ATL trade was kind of brilliant.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jun 26, 2010 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Buff to ATL

WAS completely brilliant. I hope it works out well for ATL in the future, but in the here and now, it worked out amazingly for us.

happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!

by puppetmasterp on Jun 26, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, that was one of a handful of options

A Campbell buy-out saves you over $4MM. Keep him, and that’s another of Sharp, Versteeg, Bolland, Ladd (if he gets qualified), you will lose. I mentioned Hossa because trading him solves lots of problems. Or you can not re-sign Niemi and have two goalies making $700K. I’m not making suggestions just to annoy people; but I also don’t have any special attachment to any of these players (which may make it easier for me to sacrifice players). The assumptions I made were Bowman’s, that Toews, Kane, Keith, Hossa and Seabrook were untouchable and everyone else was in play. I came back to Hossa because “untouchable” or not, he’s played a season in CHI and it’s a long contract.

Seriously. Read the post(s). Do the math yourself. (Use Capgeek, since they’re more accurate.) Go with a minimum 20 man roster. Assume the best case scenario for the bonus cushion penalty ($3.7MM). Show me an option that is less painful than the ones I out-lined.

You can say “not a lot of brains” all you want, but at least I (a) know what’s in the CBA, and (b) can add.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jun 25, 2010 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

2 things
  1. i think they’re more likely not to resign Niemi than lose Hossa. I think after last season, theres more confidence in the idea that if you keep the defense as strong as it is, you can worry much less about who’s in net.
  2. Bolland has been put on the untouchable list recently, i believe. Sharp may have been as well. Seabrook has been explicitly listed as one though.

happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!

by puppetmasterp on Jun 26, 2010 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

If we lose Biscuit

Dunky may go crying to Doughty’s arms the next time they meet

by VerStig on Jun 26, 2010 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

A suggestion

You need a glossary of nicknames in a fanpost somewhere.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jun 26, 2010 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

agreed and agreed

Bolland and Sharp were on the list, as I realized as soon as I hit “post.”

I’m not advocating losing Hossa. (in my post, I lean toward buying out Campbell — because it solves your cap problem now and five years from now; but I get that it’s a fairly radical move. I guess I just like Sharp, Versteeg et al more than Campbell.)

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jun 26, 2010 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

i see your point about liking Sharp and Versteeg more

but Campbell, despite being overpaid, is an integral part of our defense. The best evidence for this is how desperately we missed him after the Ovechkin hit — we had SO MUCH trouble moving the puck out of our zone in the Nashville series while he was gone. An there aren’t that many other defenseman in the league who could fill this void for us right now.

Everyone knew we had great offense, but our D is what really raised eyebrows at the start of last season. Plus, we can get the offensive strength back through the farm system in the next few years too (an idea supported by our drat picks today). We have enough forward depth that we can afford to lose some of it in the short term, but the same CAN’T be said of our D. It’s why we need Campbell, and it’s why so many of us see signing Hjammer as the biggest priority right now.

happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!

by puppetmasterp on Jun 26, 2010 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

the first pass is so important

and frequently you don’t know it until it’s gone and you want it back

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jun 26, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

typing fail

i meant Seabrook (i.e. Biscuit) has NOT been explicitly put on the list….but i think you got my gist.

happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!

by puppetmasterp on Jun 26, 2010 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think we're talking about different articles

I got my information from the Hockey Independent article, so it’s still just a rumor. However, knowing the kind of PR-style president McDonough is, I doubt he would’ve let Sharp go to the NHL Awards if he wasn’t one of the people expected to be around next year.

by ahnfire on Jun 26, 2010 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

look, heres my take

17 goals, 17 assists, minus-7 +/-

  • we made up $5M
  • we definitely broke even in terms of overall talent, potential or otherwise
  • we moved pieces that, while i will sorely miss them, were very moveable. (see above…those would be byfugliens regular season stats. forgive me when i say that i dont think losing that line kills our chances next season.)

once we get past all of the sentimental values of buff, eager, and sopes, its pretty clear this was a phenomenal trade, given the circumstances. do i expect the thrashers to be cheered upon taking the ice in the uc? yes. just checked, they dont come this year. but you get my point. we will always be grateful to these three, and they will always be cheered inside our walls, no matter their colors. 15 years from now when theyre all retired, theyll want to be remembered as hawks. i have no doubt. but today, june 24 2010, this better than the best envisioned start to the “capocalypse”. goodnight.

CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS-2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS!

by elpjuly4 on Jun 24, 2010 12:38 AM CDT reply actions  

ive been trying to explain this to all my friends

who watched the playoffs only and thought byfuglien was equivalent to a deity of some sort. so that was my rant. now, to lighten the mood: enjoy

CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS-2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS!

by elpjuly4 on Jun 24, 2010 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was at Wags

and saw a ton of Buff t-shirts. Wondered who the fools were who were going to buy those.

The sun never sets on a badass

by Trixietrx on Jun 24, 2010 2:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Its impossible trying to explain this to some

thats why i love this site

2009-2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Chicago Blackhawks

by Jrs23 on Jun 24, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Best aspect

is that it’s an EC team that’s highly unlikely to make the SCF, so we’ll see him max 1x/year.

Our Cup.

by 334Rules on Jun 24, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you nailed it ...

I love that Buff came alive for the playoffs and maybe we’ll miss him in the muck and mire in April of next year, but the guy has been dragging ass for two straight seasons. It’s a rare thing to so be able to so clearly recognize that a player is on the ice ham and eggin’ it. Of course, his strong playoff performance means I’d keep him if we could, however, under the circumstance he’s the one i’m most comfortable with leaving.

by Billy Charlesbois on Jun 24, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Torchetti is gone

How much Cap space does that change?

1961 is a long time ago.

by HawkJaw on Jun 24, 2010 12:55 AM CDT reply actions  

oh the dogs that may be saved next year

BigC may be able to give up the cloning

How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?

by stacie7 on Jun 24, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Officially?

All I see are the articles talking about the Thrashers “eyeballing” him?

by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Jun 24, 2010 1:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Can anyone tell me again

How much of a hit we would take if they buy out Huet’s contract?

Live, Love, Be... Progressive in all things

by Nens on Jun 24, 2010 1:19 AM CDT reply actions  

half

or the remainder of the money divided by the years in length if I remember correctly.

by runningquicklynowhere on Jun 24, 2010 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's something like

2/3 of the remaining money spread out over double the remaining length. So instead of paying him $11mil over 2 years, we’d now be paying $7.3mil over 4 years.

I think.

by Germware on Jun 24, 2010 3:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

interesting ccomment i saw on the Thrasher's site in response to the trade

This just in…
The Thrashers will have more black players than the Braves.

don’t know if that’s true, but if it is….

by puppetmasterp on Jun 24, 2010 1:24 AM CDT reply actions  

They said Evander Kane generated a lot of interest in Atlanta

So Buff might be a good marketing pick up for them, too.

by shinkicker on Jun 24, 2010 7:01 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I didn't want to say anything for fear of a fatal misstep

but I wonder if two black players have ever been included in an NHL trade before.

Also, isn’t Atlanta sorta the unofficial capital of black America? (Disclaimer- almost everything I know about Atlanta I learned from Tom Wolfe’s “A Man in Full”).

And is it ever a bad time for a Chris Rock quote?

Basketball, baseball, football, golf, tennis, and as soon as they make a heated hockey rink we’ll take that shit too.

Gentlemen! I have invented...this thing!

by cliffkoroll on Jun 24, 2010 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

we're not the only ones

who would speculate Buff being a hockey marketing tool in ATL. Throw Ailu into consideration for the trade, and it makes sense. Atlanta is a capital of black urban culture in the US, so that’s a huge part of the market if you want to expand interest in hockey there, and seeing African Americans succeed in new areas does help gain fans in the African American community.

Example: how important has Chicago-born Southside-raised Shani Davis been for spreading interest in speed skating among underprivileged communities of color?
Answer: about 2 or 3 times as important as anyone before him.

by puppetmasterp on Jun 24, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

2 or 3 × 0?

Italian beefs >> Cheesesteak

Regardless of the Series outcome, Chicago dominates on the important points.

by meeshak on Jun 24, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Buff is Minnesota

He is half black, but his personality, speech, etc. reminds me of a character out of the movie “Fargo”. Hopefully he adapts to SE USA, and is able to promote the game. He is charismatic in his own way.

by HappyPony on Jun 24, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

i never got the

Fargo dialect from him. Always sounded like a dude that would crush my skull by just breathing on it.

by aeroplane on Jun 25, 2010 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

From Rosenbloom, on the Buff trade:

“Bowman gets points for moving decisively, and I’m sure even he isn’t happy he had to do it. Fact is, the only person who is sure to smile over this is Roberto Luongo.”

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by Preacher000 on Jun 24, 2010 1:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Rosie eh?

/grudgingly conceding this is pretty good

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by cliffkoroll on Jun 24, 2010 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

What a Frigging Robbery!!!!!!!

Holy Moly! Hard to believe so much good done for so little.

1) Atlanta front office must not have had time during the regular season to watch Hawks games. Nice they tuned in during the middle rounds of the playoffs. Good luck getting Buff motivated in Atlanta.

2) Here’s what Morin did:

Morin, 19, tied for fourth in the Ontario Hockey League with 47 goals and ranked 12th with 83 points in 58 regular-season games with the Kitchener Rangers last season.

So we give up a guy that plays about 2 games during the regular season and get a 19 yo 47 goal scorer???!!!!! Baby!!!!!!

3) And WE get 2 extra draft picks???? Remember this ain’t Lovie and Angelo picking players. Think Bowman and Quinnville have a shot at a few keepers? I do.

4) BONUS No more clown shoes power play! Write it down!: – Torchetti. Why would he take a lateral??? Well chances are he ain’t gonna be a head coach soon and maybe one of the Bowmans’ actually DID notice the clown shoes? Hmmmm??

5) OK. I liked Sopel too. So now instead of a shot blocking #5 2M+ defense man we need to get a skating faster or clear the crease/checking <1M ish #5 defense man. Gotta be doable.

6) Eager or Bickell or eventually Beach. One good Eager shot to the head and he’s wearing blindfolds in a quiet room with Johnnson.

OK so assuming we dump Huet and Madden what do we have left?:

1. Brouwer Toews Kane
2 Kopecky Sharp Hossa
3 Ladd Bolland Versteeg
4 Burish Reasoner Bickell

1. Keith Seabrook
2. Hammer Campbell
3. Boynton Hendry (yeah this could hurt a bit)

Niemi Crawford

But that’s all BEFORE any possible minor league call ups (Dowell, Skille, Beach, Cullimore, Lalonde).

Yeah, maybe another guy has to go, but still…this ain’t bad given we HAD to move players!

by husler777 on Jun 24, 2010 2:17 AM CDT reply actions  

I still want Madden back another year

It’d be cruel to make his children switch schools, after all.

How long was Boynton’s contract for?

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by Trixietrx on Jun 24, 2010 2:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mr. Boynton...

is an UFA. I doubt we’ll see Madden back.

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by G8K33P3R on Jun 24, 2010 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

If not as a player

Can we keep Mad Dog on in some kind of coaching/advisory role?

by VerStig on Jun 24, 2010 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Madden will still play another season or two

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by krome on Jun 24, 2010 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would add Dowell in that mix

I was impressed with him in the few games we saw. I hope he gets a shot if somone else has to go

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by Jrs23 on Jun 24, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

From Bowman's conference call
“I think we’ll have Jake Dowell in the lineup.”

link

by VerStig on Jun 24, 2010 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought I read they made Madden an offer that he didn't accept

He was going to try to get more money elsewhere.

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by stacie7 on Jun 24, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

After the Limo fiasco in Vancouver,

Madden’s wife probably won’t let him sign here.

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Jun 24, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

shouldn't she be

more opposed to Vancouver? Or is it she doesn’t want him around those bad influences, Kane and Versteeg?

by Katherine215 on Jun 24, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's the bad influences

Madden won’t sign here or where ever Versteeg ends up.

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Jun 24, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

You'll want to check those numbers

Assuming conservative raises for Hjalmarsson (2 mil), Ladd (2.25), Burish (850k), Hendry (800k), and Bickell (650k), and factoring in a FA 6th defenseman for about 1.2 mil, you’re already at 55.5 mil. That doesn’t include any goaltending, and it’s my opinion that they need a veteran backup rather than Crawford. It also doesn’t include the 4-plus million they lose in cap space from deferred bonuses this past season. At least one more player needs to go, sorry.

by Hjammer of the Gods on Jun 24, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I said that at the end

Unfortunately I think you’re right. Though I DO disagree with the Crawford thing. At the start of the season I actually thought he was the best goalie on the Hawks. Apparently he was equal to Niemi in pre-season, but went down due to some waiver to the minors complication with Niemi. So if he IS in fact in Niemi’s skill class, why do we need another guy?

by husler777 on Jun 24, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

If we had more cap room we could look for a veteran backup, but we don’t have that luxury this year. I’m comfortable with Crawford as our backup.

by VerStig on Jun 24, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just get scared of assumptions with little sample size

We’re assuming Niemi can replicate his late season success over the course of an entire regular season. We’re assuming Crawford won’t be the guy that lost his starting gig in Rockford for awhile last season, and that he’ll display better puckhandling prowess than we saw in his start in Anaheim this year. Since there will be a bit of a drop-off in skill across the board for the Hawks skaters this year, the goalies will be tested more too. The saving grace here is that the market is over saturated with free agent goalies this summer. If you want one going into the season, you can find something cheap. If you want to start the season rolling the dice with 2008’s Ice Hog tandem, and it backfires, there should still be some guys available.

Either way, in case of emergency, deploy Hannu Toivonen

by Hjammer of the Gods on Jun 24, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think I agree

but that was a lot of words and I’m tired.

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by Trixietrx on Jun 24, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

Look at Philly — SCF aside, they managed to pick up Michael Leighton mid-season and he backstopped them pretty darn far.

by VerStig on Jun 24, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, expect the expected

Yeah, you start with the assumption that Niemi can do. My only fear last year after I saw him a few times was whether he can handle a steady workload and not break down. I feel pretty good about that now.

I have to judge Crawford by what I saw in him the few NHL games he had. I saw a good positioning goalie with pretty good reflexes. Given 10 games or so experience, I don’t see why he wouldn’t be fine. As to Rockford…..well…given all defense men down there are worse than Hendry, how much can you judge Crawford vs. his time with the big boys?

by husler777 on Jun 24, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

His defensemen are worse

But so are the other teams’ offenses. Wax on, wax off.

by Hjammer of the Gods on Jun 24, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

MMmmmmmm dunnnoooo

Shots are shots and with bad D more get through. Yeah you don’t have Ovechkin on a break away, but I’d guess GAA are worse in minors than in NHL….but that’s just a guess.

by husler777 on Jun 24, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

How do you assume

Niemi can replicate his successes for an entire season? He played fewer total games than some starting goalies did and those starting goalies (Luongo, Anderson, Nabby) were too tired by the playoffs to play at the same level they had during the year.

Niemi was fresher than many of the goalies in the playoffs, and that definitely contributed to his success. He looked a little tired to me by the SCFs, too. Splitting time for goalies does not strike me as a bad thing at all. I hope Niemi and Crawford and Huet and Toivonen (don’t fall over the net!) and whoever can do a great job as a team.

by Katherine215 on Jun 24, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Niemi and Crawford

make me at least as comfortable going into next season as Huet and Niemi did going into last season.

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by cliffkoroll on Jun 24, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

What he said!

Because Niemi was an unknown this year, Q had to play him late in the year to give him much needed experience. Next year we might have the luxury of resting him late since we know already what he can do. So if we can get a serviceable goalie that can play 20 games that should be fine. And given this year’s close pre-season race between Niemi and Crawford, how does ANYBODY know if Crawford really is or isn’t better than Niemi? I don’t. Let’s see him play 5-8 games early. Wouldn’t THAT be a kick if he bumped Niemi to backup??? I doubt it too, but heck, most didn’t think Niemi could play better than Huet at the start of the year either. Never know until you see.

by husler777 on Jun 24, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great time to move 'em

Buff will not live up to the hype. Sopel was steady , there is lots of steady out there. Eager is a banger…a time a dozen. Big thank you to all of them. and of’course they should thank the team for the "Cup. Pure salary dump. more to come. How many first round draft picks do we have this year?

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by ccm on Jun 24, 2010 5:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Two, I believe

And two in the second round

by shinkicker on Jun 24, 2010 7:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

It was originally New Jersey's right?

So between that and our 30th pick, they’re not high, but it’s still 2 first rounders.

by VerStig on Jun 24, 2010 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Both of the draft choices

we got from Atlanta are the picks the received from New Jersey in the Kolvachuk deal.

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Jun 24, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Now what about Huet?

Worse case is he goes to the minors/or is cut. What happens to his salary?

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by ccm on Jun 24, 2010 7:23 AM CDT reply actions  

IMO

if he doesn’t get traded, he should play. Just cause Niemi pulled it off doesn’t make Huet a bad goalie. Why pay all that money for him if he’s not gonna play?

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by Trixietrx on Jun 24, 2010 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

this

but either way, if we’re sending him down to the minors I don’t think we’ll hear about it until the fall; plus we still have to cope with tagging room issues

by VerStig on Jun 24, 2010 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I guess a buyout is the other option

why would be pay a guy over 11 mil to not play when we could pay him 7.5 mil not to play. I know that the buyout still gives us a 1.9 mil cap hit, but Rocky might just tell stan that he has to deal with the cap hit. I’m not 100% sure on this, but if we buy him out, we can get that tagging room immediately, right?

Ditto for CNS

by Hack on Jun 24, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

it is Cap space doodling - in the minors, we don't have Cap hit during the regular season

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by krome on Jun 24, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

well, I know that

but if we need the tagging room now, we could buy him out. If we can get away with not having to buy him out then we can go the minors dump route.

I don’t know what Rocky’s finances are, he’s one rich dude and he isn’t his dad, but If I were in that situation I would certainly consider telling stan bowman that I don’t want to burn the extra 3.5 million dollars (minors – buyout) and that if he wants to get rid of Huet, he needs to go the buyout route and just deal with the cap hit.

Ditto for CNS

by Hack on Jun 24, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Huet

will be a great goalie coach in Rockford.

by aeroplane on Jun 25, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

People always forget Huet did a lot of good things for the team during the year.

by Katherine215 on Jun 24, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I’m trying to forget at least….Wonder if he’s athletic enough to play soccer goalie? Seems like the French World Cup team might need a few good players.

by husler777 on Jun 24, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, would you like to give back

his 26 wins? Those were all forgettable. We sure didn’t need them to get in the playoffs, or to keep Niemi fresh for the playoff run. Brilliant response.

by Katherine215 on Jun 24, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd like to COMPLETELY forget him

Niemi and or Crawford could have gotten 30 wins at least from those 26. He basically is a decent to mediocre 2nd string goalie with a 5.4 Mil cap problem who will probably play in the minors next year where he belongs. How’s THAT for brilliant?

I thought we were done with the Huet bleatings once and for all. That is one guy I hope I NEVER see again in a Hawks uniform, because if I do, we are in trouble talent wise AND team cap wise. Of the whole playoff team I will not miss him one iota if I never see him again.

 BUT just my opinion…..and Bowman’s who dying to dump him….and Quineville’s who benched him EVERY game at the end when it mattered….and all the other general managers in the entire NHL because not even ONE will trade for him no matter how desperate we are to SOMEHOW, SOMEWAY dump that anchor.

Off the ice though, he seems like a nice enough guy. And he didn’t ruin team chemistry when he was demoted to 2nd string. I respect him for that.

by husler777 on Jun 24, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

sorry husler

but I can’t even respond to this. I think you’re just plain wrong.

by Katherine215 on Jun 24, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

And I totally respect your right to do that.

It’d be pretty much a miracle if everybody on a blog saw things the same way.

by husler777 on Jun 24, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think he's totally correct

Except the fact that I like him a lot as a person. I don’t like his play, or his positioning but off the ice, he’s a stand-up man.

by aeroplane on Jun 25, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't you see the way he opened doors during the Stanley Cup run?!

You can’t quantify how many too-many-men-on-the-ice penalties he prevented

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by Scotty Ballgame on Jun 24, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

I KNEW I had underestimated him somewhere.

by husler777 on Jun 24, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really don't want to get into the Huet debate

but I think it’s safe to assume that someone else would have picked up those 26 wins. The defense at the time was pretty outstanding.

by aeroplane on Jun 25, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

someone else may have picked up 26 wins during the regular season,

because like everyone’s said, we can get wins with a mediocre goalie due to our defense and outrageous shot differential.

However, if Nemo was #1, and let’s say Crawford was #2, Nemo would have started more games. That would worry me, because it looked like he was losing steam by the SCFs with bad rebounds and such.

Anyways, we won the Cup with the Huet/Niemi tandem, and I would love to see a solution for next season, but I’m starting to think we’ll be seeing these two again

by blackhawkeyes on Jun 26, 2010 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Question

If we do keep Huet on the big league squad next year — is dumping Ladd and Versteeg enough to keep us under the cap? Can we sign Hjammer still? No crazy buyouts or anything?

by VerStig on Jun 26, 2010 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not really sure

since I haven’t put a lot of time/effort into figuring out the cap. It seems like from what I’ve read here (from people who know far better than me what they’re talking about) that moving those two should solve a lot, but it all depends how much Hammer and Nemo get offers for and if we decide to match them.

The thing with Huet is, since he’s probably not being traded or bought out, we have to wait until the season starts to move him and his cap hit down to the AHL. So, he basically is the 10% cushion that the team can work at before the season starts, and the rest of the roster has to be right at the cap.

and just to anyone, if I’m wrong here, let me know! Like I said, I’m no cap expert

by blackhawkeyes on Jun 26, 2010 1:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

i don't see how that's possible

dumping Ladd and Versteeg wouldn’t be enough. You’d probably have to dump Sharp + Versteeg to make Huet work, no?

by aeroplane on Jun 26, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

and then

you’d still have to shed some more salary. Sharp + Versteeg + Hammer, perhaps or Ladd.

by aeroplane on Jun 26, 2010 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

~4.5M more after replacements....

Everything I have read needs 3M saved from Huet (Huet in minors plus a replacement) and another 3M guy gone to make things right. If Huet stays its probably 2 – 3M guys plus Ladd that needs to go…

Remember you have to replace guys that leave, so 6M savings on two guys is actually more then 6M savings on three guys.

by DaleHalas on Jun 26, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think it’s nothing more than cap space. I agree in principle with you if the money could be found elsewhere to ice a full roster. But getting 5.6 million off the cap is more than enticing, it’s codly necessary to get that full roster.

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by ChicoMaki on Jun 24, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

His salary

If they end up Rockford-ing him, his money counts against the cap hit until about a week or two before the season starts. Problematic, because you can only go over the cap by 10% during the off-season when making moves.

by Hjammer of the Gods on Jun 24, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh no! I didn't know that.

But isn’t 10% about = to his salary? So we just need to match up the rest of the team with the exact cap if I understand you right.

by husler777 on Jun 24, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

The cap space we have is lower than the actual number, because with bonuses this year we went over by about 4 million … and that counts against this coming season’s cap. Our cap next yr is the actual cap number minus roughly 4 million. I don’t have the numbers at hand, just the general rule.

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by ChicoMaki on Jun 24, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Chico- I just read it was officially announced at 3.7 mil.

Husler- You’ve got the gist of it. The problem is that you need to make sure to clear sufficient cap space (well, cap space plus 10%) before making any moves. That’s why the Buff trade had to happen first, in order for them to be able to make qualifying offers to the RFAs. If that hadn’t happened, they wouldn’t have had the space to even make offers. Other teams not wedged up against the cap wouldn’t have to worry about that, they’d be able to issue offers, then take their time working a trade. This of course goes for trades, FA signings, etc. as well. It’s not a prohibitive problem, but it kneecaps you when it comes to a quick-strike type move, as you’d have to do a lot more work to get all your ducks in order prior to doing anything.

by Hjammer of the Gods on Jun 24, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

is there some link to the "official announcement" for the $3.7 penalty?

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by krome on Jun 24, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looking for it now

I’ve read 30 or so cap articles today already.

by Hjammer of the Gods on Jun 24, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jumped the gun on "official announcement"

Mirtle has it at an even 4 mil, Darren Dreger is tweeting 3.7

by Hjammer of the Gods on Jun 24, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Times like this I am glad we got Bowman vs Tallon. Not sure how well Tallon would have navigated waters like this. So far so good on Bowman.

by husler777 on Jun 24, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sopel is a speed bump

What’s with all of this love for Sop’s? You are all nuts. I grant you that he was loved by his teammates, and must be a quality off the ice guy, BUT he was nearly the death of us all season in our end. Our fortunes completely turned back to the positive when he went back to playing 8 minutes a game and Soupy returned to his normal ice allotments. Sopel’s issue is that he just can’t move anymore. The game is way too fast. He can’t turn and go for the life of him, so our puck control “speed coming back up the ice at you game” reverted to try to make a deep pass out of our on zone game which didn’t work nearly as well. A team committed to the fore check eats him up, and his best move becomes lying down in front of 90 MPH’ers. I’ll miss his little dance during the National Anthem and his Alice Cooper good looks (?), but not much else. You guys that love his game are the ones booing Campbell. Would’ve hoped that we all would have learned that this game has moved to speed and puck control. Stan is the Man for this deal!

by NiemiNation on Jun 24, 2010 8:39 AM CDT reply actions  

He was a 5th D, certainly, but a good 5th D (compared to the rest of the league)

he contributed a lot to the penalty kill and stepped up big in a number of important games.

He wasn’t a Kieth or Seabrook, but he was a good veteran presence on a young team that needed it, and played above his expected talent level in important games

Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Jun 24, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sopel has a body made of Kevlar

Have you seen his shot-blocking skills? If you watch carefully, he really does have good shot-blocking form (it’s not just positioning and people shooting into him — he knows how to turn to maximize the effect).

For somebody who can’t skate anymore he’s adjusted his game admirably, which has done loads for our penalty kill. He may have cost us once or twice in the regular season but without Sopes, we may have never killed that 5 minute major and advanced beyond the first round. And Marian Hossa would be a goat.

I’d already resigned myself to losing him (he’s paid too much for what he does) but I hardly think it’s nuts to realize how significant his contribution was this year.

by VerStig on Jun 24, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

agreed

he finished with a flourish, but the 3rd d-pairing was urine for most of the year.

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by cliffkoroll on Jun 24, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice research Chico

Sopes steeped up big time this post-season with more shot-blocking than he had already been doing a shitload of. I know that Sopes is gone, but if I hear anyone boo him or Campbell next season I will punch them right in the face. Props to every single player on this 2010 Hawks team, every single one of them stepped up at one point or another. It is crucial that we do whatever it takes to keep Sharpie and Ladd.

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by pucknut on Jun 28, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sigh
You guys that love his game are the ones booing Campbell.

It has been a running joke all season long on here that we laugh at all the idiots who boo Campbell, because we recognize how much the transition game hinges on him.

Aside from that, see Chico’s post, I have nothing to add.

by Hjammer of the Gods on Jun 24, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Some caller on the SCORE

yesterday was whining about the trade and asking why we didn’t dump that useless Campbell guy instead. Sheesh.

by husler777 on Jun 24, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

What the hell

I’m gone for one night and all hell breaks loose. Kaner has sex, Duncs wins the Norris, and half the fucking team is traded.

I had a feeling Buff was gone. He is a good player that is giving us great value in return based on his outstanding performance in a few playoff games. Not to mention that salary needed to be moved.

Sopel will be missed but I think more for his gritty, shot blocking than for anything he really does with the puck. Again, he was getting paid too much for 8-9 minutes a game.

I didn’t expect Eager to resign so it is what it is.

We should all be greatful to get something good in return for what was a necessary salary dump.

That being said, I’ll never forget the contributions of these players on the way to winning the Cup. And I’ll be rooting for them in their new home.

by Chris Roberts on Jun 24, 2010 9:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Buffy,

From one 6 foot 4, +259 lb hockey player to another- I’ve always appreciated your contribution and understand your struggle to constantly find the energy to put your ass in motion. From getting out of bed to backchecking….fuck man, it’s even hard typing about that shit. But it’s amazing what a little adrenalin kicking in during playoffs can do, huh? Especially during those clutch, game-winning situations!

Sad to see ya go. Good luck chasing around the speedy Caps and Bolts in the Southeast. I’m glad the Hawks wont be seeing much of you. Muscle those Thrashers into the post-season and shine again.

Sopel & Eager….loved you guys too. Thanks for the cup, and good luck!

by Grimbert on Jun 24, 2010 9:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Little draft piece on Morin

-Matt Cooke is a turd burglar. He burgles ALL the turds.-

-At least he's not Cam Janssen. What a bag of dicks that guy is.-

by G8K33P3R on Jun 24, 2010 9:35 AM CDT reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlJwWNSwxxk

ugh!

-Matt Cooke is a turd burglar. He burgles ALL the turds.-

-At least he's not Cam Janssen. What a bag of dicks that guy is.-

by G8K33P3R on Jun 24, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

For what it's worth

Birdwatchers Anonymous was saying Reasoner was their best PK guy all year.

by Hjammer of the Gods on Jun 24, 2010 10:38 AM CDT reply actions  

I like hearing that.

www.mjt.org

by ChicoMaki on Jun 24, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Which makes him 3rd or 4th best for the Hawks?

Hossa
Toews
Bolland?

It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted

by Scotty Ballgame on Jun 24, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Depth is depth. Depth won us the cup this year.

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by ChicoMaki on Jun 24, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Totally agree

just implying that I didn’t think the Hawks would be hurting on the PK even with the loss of Madden

It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted

by Scotty Ballgame on Jun 24, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Madden and bolland

were usually the first 2 PK forwards out. Have to replace Madden’s role for sure.

by Katherine215 on Jun 24, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

keep going

Sharp
Versteeg

Basically, he fills in for Madden.

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by cliffkoroll on Jun 24, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does anybody else

picture Eager sitting at a bus stop with a box of chocolates looking like Forrest Gump?

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Jun 24, 2010 11:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Ya, but just switch the box of chocolates for some broken glass and pennies he found on the street.

www.mjt.org

by ChicoMaki on Jun 24, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Vancouver Sun editorial on trade

Funny, Canuck fans obsession with Hawks.

by HappyPony on Jun 24, 2010 2:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Vancouver fans are obsessed

All we want is for the Nucks to beat the Hawks in the playoffs, and now without Buffy it is going to be easier.

Who cares about the regular season…………WHY would you trade a playoff monster? Now lets see if Gillis can sign Ladd away and bring him home to Vancouver

by thegreek on Jun 24, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why would you trade him?

well, you have to get to the playoffs first. and you may have heard, we have this silly little cap issue to deal with. And really, if Buff can get into Luongo’s head, it must not be that difficult.

by Katherine215 on Jun 24, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's all you want?

Canuckleheads will be satisfied if they beat the Hawks in the first round and lose in the second. Bill Wirtz would have loved fans like you.

39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.

by Badgerdano on Jun 24, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I were a Vancouver fan

I’d first have to shoot myself and then I’d pray for a trade with anyone involving Luuuuu.

39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.

by Badgerdano on Jun 24, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't forget

to put on the green full-body suit first.

Our Cup.

by 334Rules on Jun 25, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we beat the Hawks we go to the cup

I don’t see any other team getting out of the West except the hawks or the nucks………..plus we have cap room now that demetra and mitchell are gone clearing 7.5 million to shore up our defence.

by thegreek on Jun 24, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

disagree

defense wins championships. The nucks were a bit beat up, but their blueliners are a bunch of turnstiles. By far the worst defense the Hawks saw in the playoffs.

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by cliffkoroll on Jun 24, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Both Vancouver and San Jose

think they had better teams than the Hawks this year and could DEFINITELY beat the new cap challenged Hawks 2010-2011. I HOPE you 2 play each other in the 1st round. That would be beautiful irony. Hate to be the city that loses THAT one…LOL.

by husler777 on Jun 24, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

San Jose played us tough

and they would’ve given the nucks a tough series as well. Plus, there are no guarantees that Detroit won’t have a bounce back year or that LA won’t be even tougher next year.

Ditto for CNS

by Hack on Jun 24, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

ha!

what a fucking joke. thegreek, do you not wonder why byfuglien everyone hates the canucks?

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by elpjuly4 on Jun 24, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

to be fair,

even Canucks fans dislike Tony Gallagher. And with good reason, he can’t write for shit and he’s an ass. This article is just further proof.

by Katherine215 on Jun 24, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually....

I won’t comment on the writing style, but the article is spot on I think. Like my post said above, this trade was a frigging robbery by Bowman. And now I understand why this trade was absolute debauchery of the Thrashers. After reading all the cap space stuff and rules about tenders and only being able to be 10% above the cap at any time and Huet counting full until a few weeks before the season….the Hawks were TOTALLY screwed before the Buf trade…..TOTALLY. If a few teams made free agent tender offers on 3 or 4 Hawks (Niemi, Hammer, Madden…whoever) the Hawks would not even be able to counter those offers because it would have put them ABOVE the 10% cap allowance. They WOULD have lost KEY players….like how about Niemi and Hammer going to Tampa and us having to play Huet kind of screwed. And without cap space, I don’t think we could have saved more than 1 guy. So Atlanta relieved ALL that burden on the Hawks, gave us a #1 and #2 draft pick AND a 19 year old 48 goal scorer!!!!!!! And for what? Buff???? There are probably a LOT of GM’s who were planning the pillaging of the Hawks that want to choke the living daylights out of the Atlanta GM. And I bet the pressure on Bowman was so big to act quickly that any GM worth his salt could have gotten MUCH better from the Hawks. Hell yeah the toilet not only got flushed on Atlanta, but the spray hit a lot of other team’s GM’s right in the eye to boot!

Way to go STAN!!!! Let’s hope Bettman doesn’t grow balls in the next few days all of a sudden.

by husler777 on Jun 24, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

dude, i agree with everything. it was a great deal for the hawks.

it too was a great deal for the thrashers. while i believe we got the better end, you cant say it was uneven. the only reason youre saying it is is because youre taking outside circumstances into account. if you want to view the fairness of a trade, you cant do that. look at the trade itself. ill call it even…both teams got what they wanted, and gave up what they could afford to give up. great. lets move on.

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by elpjuly4 on Jun 24, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

How can you say great deal for Thrashers?

Eager Sopel Buff??? Dumb, slow and lazy. I mean what is Atlanta’s angle here? They gave away 2 draft picks and a 19 year old to get some experienced players so I assume they aren’t in rebuilding mode. Are those 3 going to put them over the top? They didn’t get Eager and Buff for leadership. Were they looking for a slow shot blocking D man and a mediocre tough guy? Only thing I can figure is they fell in love with Buff’s size and playoff crease ability. But do they think he’ll carry them to the playoffs by standing in the crease during the reg season and leading by example hard work? Good luck with that.

by husler777 on Jun 25, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure what you guys are talking about... pillaging of the Hawks

There isn’t a competent GM out there that thought the Hawks would be status quo on July 1st. All of them knew that Hawks would make some trades before that.

Now the important thing to remember is “just because the Hawks need to make a trade doesn’t mean they need to make a trade with YOUR team.” The Hawks were OK because the other teams still needed to compete with each other. If you want a Hawks player you can get one but you still need to make a better offer then the other teams.

by DaleHalas on Jun 25, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

so he's their rosenbloom?

fair enough

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by elpjuly4 on Jun 24, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

again, to be fair,

Rosenbloom doesn’t do an awful job on the Hawks. I’m fairly certain he lurks SCH. :) His tendency to beat a dead horse to a bloody pulp is what irritates me about him (i.e. his Lovie/McCaskey hate, his Piniella hate, etc.).

by Katherine215 on Jun 24, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

im just getting all over your bad side, huh?

=]

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by elpjuly4 on Jun 25, 2010 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh, no, not at all!

I get seriously annoyed with Rosenbloom more often than not. It’s just that he does pull out a gem or two once in awhile. His articles immediately after the Cup win were extremely good, imo, and my impression of Gallagher is that he’s just an ass. So I thought the comparison was a little unfair to Rosenbloom.

by Katherine215 on Jun 25, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sure whatever

For whatever reason, for two years in a row Buffy killed us. Destroyed Luongo and our tiny defence……………so from a canucks perspective, this is a good deal for us in that we don’t have to deal with that monster anymore. For whatever reason Buffy hated the nucks and played like a man possessed against us, all 270lbs of him.

by thegreek on Jun 24, 2010 2:50 PM CDT reply actions  

I like this:
For whatever reason, for two years in a row Buffy killed us.

The reason would be that your defense was soft and small, so Buff didn’t really have to work that hard and frankly how can you not take every opportunity to bring forth Lu tears?

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by 334Rules on Jun 25, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

keep thinking that…

by aeroplane on Jun 25, 2010 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

What is the deal with Aliu?

Everyone keeps ragging on him. Does he lack hockey smarts or something? He fought Steve Downie (admittedly his teammate and team captain at the time, but if what I read is true, he deserved it). Is he just not a good hockey player?

PS. I fucking hate Steve Downie.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 24, 2010 2:55 PM CDT reply actions  

you've read

the situation correctly. Downie had his coming. Aliu was perhaps one of our top 2 or 3 prospects on offense and he’ll be a good NHLer. He has progressed slower than expected, however.

by aeroplane on Jun 24, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well I think

He’ll have a place in ATL

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 24, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I heard from a few folks who saw him this year

that he had a lot of problems keeping passes on his stick, leading to lots of turnovers.

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by 334Rules on Jun 25, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

The right move was made.

and the fact that we got a first rounder for no one who is worth a first rounder, that’s not too shabby.

And while Anahiem returns to the locker room, Todd Bertuzzi is cuffed and returns to the squad car.

by Detroit Must Die on Jun 24, 2010 8:19 PM CDT reply actions  

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