Day 1 Thoughts
by SamFels on Jun 26, 2010 10:03 AM CDT
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You can tell I'm off for the summer because I can't think of any clever titles any more. Anyway, to it.
-Look, I'm not Canadian. I'm not other bloggers. I don't spend my time watching junior, college, or high school hockey. I don't read any draft prospectuses (prospecti?). So past Taylor Hall (who is an unfortunate looking human being) and Tyler Seguin who I saw in the World Juniors, I can tell you exactly fuck and all about any of these guys. And I prefer it that way. Usually, past the top five it'll be a year or two at least before you see any of them. As for the Hawks pick of Kevin Hayes, it just looks like this was their guy. Though projected for the second round, Stan must've thought he wouldn't be around when the Hawks picked in that turn, so they grabbed him when they could. He already knew he was punting #30. So if this is Stan's guy, we'll see how Stan's eye is Wow, that was lyrical
-Stan's contention that the Hawks don't need to make any more trades is posturing at his best. He must assume we all can't count or add, although to be fair to him that's a pretty fair assumption. Right now, the Hawks have 13 players under contract with 6 mill of cap room, and that includes Huet. If we subtract him, that's 12 players with almost 12 million in space, leaving the Hawks to complete a roster (12-14 more players) at less than $1 million per. Uh, no. In fact, I'm sure Bowman was trying to package some of his picks and Versteeg to move up, but just couldn't pull it off.
-McClure's been beating the Patrice Bergeron drum, which would be pretty awesome. I've been wondering about Marc Savard, who would turn either Sharp or Hossa into a 40-goal guy again, depending on who he played with. But I don't think their money works, and I'm not sure the B's won't just go ahead and move either Seguin or Bergeron to a wing for the season, which both can do.
-With all these picks and some moveable parts, could a run at one Jarome Iginla be out of the question? Be still my heart. Actually, be very still,, this is a pipe dream. But it's fun to live in for a couple seconds, no?
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Noticed a lot of Americns went in the 1st Round…MERICA! FUCK YA!
Jack Campbell goes to Dallas. Hockey in Dallas still pisses me off.
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
Wow. Any three of those players would be too good to be true.
And probably is.
"Showin' her my Toews-face!"
Savard would be great.
I’ve had a pretty massive man-crush on the guy since he was mic’d up at the last all-star game.
[Tornado] sirens just went off...I grabbed another beer.
no more trades? preposterous
or else Stan is planning some executions.
we don’t have enough spendable money to sign out a full roster – without somehow dropping some current guys (cough ‘Versteeg’ cough ‘Huet’ cough). it can’t be realistically be done otherwise
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
by krome on Jun 26, 2010 11:06 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
maybe he plans
on burying Toews and Hossa in the AHL this upcoming season? This allows us to keep Steegs and Huet in Chicago, and gives us a bit more economic flexibility with the remaining cast of goons
The one & only?
Am I the only one on this site that doesn’t think Versteeg should be traded? How come everyone is so anxious to get rid of a 20 goal man?
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I don't think it's a "want" to trade to Versteeg
it’s a matter of salary and lack of cap space.
I’m sure if a poll was held here, just about everyone would want Huet and his salary traded above anyone else. I’m sure there are also a few who wouldn’t trading Campbell because of the size of his contract.
Based on their performances and the money they are making, I don’t see why anybody would want Huet or Campbell
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
no one's excited about getting rid of him
he’s a great player and we all know it. it’s just a pragmatic perspective. We still have cap issues, and have to get rid of someone. so of the likely candidates, there are the players who’s contracts will be really hard to move b/c they’re overpaid and no team wants to take on such a huge contract (Huet, Campbell) and the ones who are not Toews/Kane/Hossa/Keith but good enough to garner interest elsewhere.
The prime trade bait in the latter category are Sharp, Versteeg, Hjammer, Ladd, and Niemi — especially the first three. Sharp is an absolute BARGAIN or us to keep, and I think a lot of people see keeping Hjammer as integral to keeping out defense strong. So that leaves Steeger as the most likely to go — he’s the best of whoever’s left (so other teams really want him), but we have enough other forwards that can produce offense that make Steeger less important to keep.
just my take on it though.
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by puppetmasterp on Jun 26, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Bolland is another possibility
but seeing as how we are a tad thin on true centerman, and Bolland has sooo much upside to the organ(i)zation I really dont see us moving Bolland unless we get a center back in return.
Drink it up!
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yea kinda figured that would be the case
I honestly think though if your stan you need to at least hear out some offers for any of your players. They may say Bolland is on the untouchables list but in reality the only players in my mind that are untouchable are toews, kane, hossa, and keith! Then you have a list of players that are on the “only if a once in a lifetime deal one sided deal comes up would I move these guys” Bolland, Seabrook, and sharp would prolly fall into this category. They are very important players to your organization but if the perfect deal fell into place you would move them.
Drink it up!
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Seebs has to be untouchable
His passing and offense generally improved a lot as the season wore on, and, even in the new NHL, a big d-man can bring something to the table that the “new breed” (i.e. Keith) can’t.
And Sharp has proven time and again what a big game guy he has. The shorty in Game 2 against Vancouver was probably the biggest goal of the year, and it was all #10.
On the untouchable list, Bollad is clearly the bubble boy, but, I gotta give him the nod over Versteeg (fucking Sophie’s choice, that.)
If Kris Versteeg kills us, he'll be wearing a lesser sweater.
by cliffkoroll on Jun 26, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
In my book, Sharpie gets the nod just because of how solid he turned out at center.
This team needs someone who has chemistry with Hossa, and right now, Sharpie is that person. Hossa is a key piece for the next decade, ergo, Sharp stays also, if only to dish the puck to our favorite Slovak Panda. His own scoring upside is certainly advantageous also.
Versteeg, love him though I do, just doesn’t have that certain chemistry with any of our key pieces, and doesn’t have quite the versatility that Sharpie does to play wing and center with equal poise. So agreed, if I’m getting rid of someone, it’s got to be Versteeg on the block before Sharp.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 26, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I would trade Kane
if we could get a team to pull a “Toronto” with us.
Add Seabs to the 'untouchable' list.
In addition to keeping Keith happy (no small consideration, the thought of trading the only partner your Norris D-man has trusted for the last five years), Seabs brings the size and the willingness to lay on the body that we don’t really have in any other D-man.
People need to quit tossing his name around; Seabs isn’t going anywhere. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him get a contract next year that keeps him here for nearly as long as Keith. As long as those two keep playing like they share a brain, he’s in no danger of moving any time soon.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 26, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
It's more a matter of the depth chart.
I’d love to keep Versteeg, but I think Sharp’s more talented and versatile and we need Ladd’s physical presence. So Steeger, with his 3 mil contract becomes the quickest way to free up some good cap space and not do serious damage in a position that we have depth at.
If Stan could really keep them all and not make any more trades, that would be wonderful! It’s highly doubtful though.
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by Preacher000 on Jun 26, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
TBH
I could easily live without hammer. He had some crucial turnovers in the playoffs, stanly’s in particular. To me, he is replaceable.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 29, 2010 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
you are not alone
Versteeg is also a very good two-way player, and his deficiencies are correctable.
I’d definitely keep Versteeg over Ladd, but Ladd is cheaper and, as has been noted, the Hawks are now a worryingly small team.
If/when Versteeg goes, I’m gonna puke all over my shoes, but it’s increasingly looking inevitable.
If Kris Versteeg kills us, he'll be wearing a lesser sweater.
by cliffkoroll on Jun 26, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Bolland would have been
The first guy I would have traded.
by Bellwether Meltdown on Jun 26, 2010 12:00 PM CDT reply actions
why is that?
Because he is a player with massive upside? He is amazing on both ends of the ice? just curious because he would personally be one of the last people I would trade.
Drink it up!
In Stanley we trust! 34,38,61, and finally 2010!!!
agreed
a bit worried about his weak back, but the organ-i-zation would be nuts to make him untouchable if they weren’t very comfortable on this score.
If Kris Versteeg kills us, he'll be wearing a lesser sweater.
by cliffkoroll on Jun 26, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
read my post above
I kinda put my 20 cent on the whole untouchable thing.
Drink it up!
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read my post above
I kinda put my 20 cent on the whole untouchable thing.
If Kris Versteeg kills us, he'll be wearing a lesser sweater.
by cliffkoroll on Jun 26, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Because
Sharp has emerged as a viable center, meaning you’re paying him 3.25 million to play on your 3rd line.
Because his lack of success at the dot suggests he’s still hurt
Because he’s on the books longer than any of the other guys you might actually trade.
Because despite the narrative, the numbers show Thornton and Richards torched him in even strength chances.
and because he’s probably never going to be more valuable in a trade
by Bellwether Meltdown on Jun 26, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know if I agree with all of that..
I think they’re still hoping that Bolly will be a 2nd line center once he’s fully recovered – I think this season is where they’ll see if Bolly really can turn into the 2nd line center they’re hoping he’ll become, otherwise, he’ll be traded mid-season or next year.
And re: the narrative argument, I could care less about the numbers if this narrative repeats.
"the numbers show..."
I’m curious as to what numbers Bell’s referring to. C&B’s? Because I believe Verstig’s numbers showed otherwise and that the narrative was indeed statistically the truth.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 26, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I looked at both C&B's and Verstigs
All I got from Verstig’s numbers was that Bolland’s line was “sufficient” against HTML, which is fine, I’m glad we had that line out there doing what they did, but that’s it, he’s an above average player, not this “amazing on both ends of the ice” guy that was played up during the last two series.
When he’s eating up 3.25 million a year for the relevant future and you’ve found out that Sharp can indeed center a line, I’d rather spend the money elsewhere.
by Bellwether Meltdown on Jun 26, 2010 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I definitely agree with your other points
I’ve been barking for the Hawks to trade Bolland this summer for months. I’d prefer a guy with a questionable back not being on our payroll eating up so much cap. Even after a pretty good postseason, I have my doubts that he’ll ever be the player we had hopes of him becoming.
We would need to find a deal in which we could pick up a cheaper yet solid 3rd line center though if Bolland is to be traded. I think the odds of this are low, so Versteeg or Ladd might be the one gone next.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 26, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
My money is on Versteeg
I think if you have to move someone, you benefit the most from moving Versteeg. Especially with us being somewhat depleted with centers and stacked with tallented forwards. I also think that Bolland was still recovering from back surgury last year. Its really hard to strengthen your back with therapy when you are playing games every other day and on the road. That is an injury that you really need an entire offseason to get over. We shall see next season tho.
Drink it up!
In Stanley we trust! 34,38,61, and finally 2010!!!
My concerns regarding Bolland is that back problems often linger throughout one’s career.
My head says to trade Bolland
Common sense tells me it’s probably Versteeg
My gut tells me it’s Ladd
If/when one of the three gets traded, I’ll tell everyone “I told you so!”
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 26, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Bolland as a number two or getting traded...
I can’t see Bolland being viewed as a number two guy. If he was then I would think the Hawks would try and keep Fraser.
In the same vein, I can only see Boland or Sharp getting traded for better true Second or third line centers. They would be upgrading the team type trades as opposed to cap relief trades.
WAIT!!!
We’re allowed to actually UPGRADE the team during this offseason??
I was not aware of this. What a concept.
I haven’t read any of the comments for the past three days until today, but by trading Fraser it looks to me like they’ve decided on Sharp as the 2nd line center. Therefore Bolland is overpaid as a 3rd liner (at least short term. Sharp will be an RFA and could be gone after next year). So yeah, like I said, the Hawks need to find a solid replacement or you can’t trade Bolland without significantly weakening the team.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 26, 2010 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don't think I worded it very well
But my conclusion was basically that Bolland’s line was sufficient against HTML in their own end, and ended up scoring more than expected — and that’s what made them look so dominant (and since people cast them into the “checking line” role, people just interpreted it as dominant in a shutdown sense).
Bolland is a center. We need centers more than any other position.
Do you have suggestions for a similar 2nd line quality guy who knows our system, is young enough to gel with our youthful core, and comes cheaper than Bolly will? No? Okay then.
Bolly is only getting better. Even after a devastating back surgery, he came back and was happy to excel in a role-player capacity if he could help the team. He’s not going anywhere if management can help it, unless they get a ridiculously good deal for him.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 26, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Only if the 'Hawks were deep at centre
which they are not, regardless of how many guys Stan signed out of the SEL the past week or two.
Just win the next game...!
God is anyone else excited about all of the
big trade rumors flying around (not just talking blackhawks) There are some huge names floating around, more than usual!
Drink it up!
In Stanley we trust! 34,38,61, and finally 2010!!!
I'm fairly convinced
that the organization already has worked out or is close to working out a way to make Huet’s cap hit disappear. That’s the only way that Bowman could legitimately say the Hawks don’t need to make any other trades. They were talking on the draft last night about sending Huet to Russia and having a Russian team pay part of the salary— does anyone know what the Hawks would be on the hook for in terms of cap hit? Is it the equivalent of a buyout, or would it make the whole thing disappear as if he were sent to the minors?
But if all or most of Huet’s salary disappears, this team can fit under the cap while keeping Hammer, Niemi and Ladd.
this may be completely delusional
but I like this:
That’s the only way that Bowman could legitimately say the Hawks don’t need to make any other trades.
Comfort food for the brain.
If Kris Versteeg kills us, he'll be wearing a lesser sweater.
by cliffkoroll on Jun 26, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I love this too, but, am I getting delusional too?
I just read this here:
Chicago GM Stan Bowman says that the Blackhawks do not need to make any more moves to get under the salary cap for the 2010-11 season.
Wtf, really? Just like that, the Capocalypse is over? Does that mean Stan has some magic trick up his sleeve to make the rest of the problems go away?
Using CapGeek's calculator...
this is what it looks like if Huet’s cap hit disappears (so if he “retires” and plays in Russia, becomes the wealthiest man in Rockford, or enters the witness protection program.)
2010-11 CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Troy Brouwer ($1.025m)
Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Kris Versteeg ($3.083m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / * Andrew Ladd ($1.550m)
Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Marty Reasoner ($1.150m) / * Bryan Bickell ($0.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brian Campbell ($7.143m) / * Niklas Hjalmarsson ($0.643m)
Shawn Lalonde ($0.773m) / * Jordan Hendry ($0.625m)
GOALTENDERS
- Antti Niemi ($0.826m) / Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 20; CAP:$59.4m; PAYROLL: $54.032m; CAP ROOM: $5.588m BONUSES: $0.220m
So that would leave five and a half million to give big raises to Niemi and Hammer and mild raises to Hendry and Ladd. While Lalonde might not be ready, you can plug in any other cheap 6th D Man’s name there.
Has there been any official word yet as to whether or not Toews’ Conn Smythe bonus counts against the cap? And aren’t there some situations in which bonuses can exceed the cap?
by StillLostinNC on Jun 26, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
All of it?
Frick. Why couldn’t they have made Jordan Hendry the MVP?!
by StillLostinNC on Jun 26, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Toews bonus...
…does count against the cap but nobody has actual information on whether Toews bonus put the Hawks into the Bonus. And if it did for how much.
or Buff
If Kris Versteeg kills us, he'll be wearing a lesser sweater.
by cliffkoroll on Jun 26, 2010 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Clarifications...
You can only use the Bonus room for actual bonuses. It can’t be used for normal salaries. Does anyone know if any player still has a bonus in their contract? Not sure if anyone is still on their original contracts…
Also unless he gets traded you need around 1.4/1.5 for Huet. At least for most of the scenarios that you described.
some help
from the Globe and Mail … which I’ve been using as a kind of benchmark in my own figuring.
Mirtle’s a great hockey guy, and I trust his articles on complicated matters more than I do most others.
www.mjt.org
I don't see how
They afford all three of Ladd/Hjammer/Niemi
Even if all of Towes bonus went on last year’s cap and Hendry only gets an extra 100K you’re still looking at less than 3.5 per for Hjammer and Niemi. Niemi’ll get in for that but I’d be shocked if someone doesn’t try to break the bank on Hjalmarsson
Reasoner looks like he might be ticketed for Rockford.
This also makes that 1.2 million on Kopecky look like quite the albatross.
by Bellwether Meltdown on Jun 26, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's what I came up with
I didn’t futz with any of the lines, just wanted numbers
AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES
FORWARDS
Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Kris Versteeg ($3.083m)
- Andrew Ladd ($2.000m) / * Jack Skille ($1.275m) / Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m)
Troy Brouwer ($1.025m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / * Bryan Bickell ($0.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brian Campbell ($7.143m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / * Niklas Hjalmarsson ($2.900m)
Shawn Lalonde ($0.773m) / * Jordan Hendry ($0.725m)
GOALTENDERS - Antti Niemi ($3.200m) / Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 20; CAP: $59.4m; PAYROLL: $59.338m; CAP ROOM: $0.282m BONUSES: $0.220m
Now I don’t really know what Ladd/Niemi/Hjammer/Hendry are worth on the open market, so I pulled numbers out of my ass.
So that’d leave the team with 282K and that assumes a best case scenario in which none of Towes money counts on this cap and you can somehow make Huet’s entire cap hit evaporate.
Sorry, don’t see how this actually works. Someone else has to go, I just hope to god it’s not Sharp.
by Bellwether Meltdown on Jun 26, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Pretty close numberwise what I would like to see
I think we end up getting hammer at around 2.5m cap hit and niemi somewhere around 2.7m. but I could see niemi getting close to where you are. I would estimate hammer at less because I think they will lock him down to a 5-6 year deal and using that to help get his cap hit down as well! We shall see but that is cutting it a tad close with the money thats why I think they still have one more move left in them. They seem to be about 2-3 mil away from realistically getting it done.
Drink it up!
In Stanley we trust! 34,38,61, and finally 2010!!!
And there's an extra 125K there
cause for some reason I ticked Skille and unticked Reasoner, but obviously lost count of my centers along the way
by Bellwether Meltdown on Jun 26, 2010 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
It sounds like Hammer has received a QO
and that Ladd has not. Maybe they’re going to let Ladd walk and have that be enough?
My guess is that the team would like to deal Verbeauty right about now, but I’ve got to imagine they’ve got a contingency plan. Otherwise they would have unloaded him at a discount on draft night.
As far as your numbers go, the more I look at it, the more I’m starting to think those Hammer and Niemi numbers might actually be low.
Fuck it, I’m done thinking. Someone send me a correct roster in October.
by StillLostinNC on Jun 26, 2010 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
They're not letting anyone "walk"
without getting something in return.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 26, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
ESPNChicago says that
Hendry and Ladd are yet to receive QOs. You know, not that that’s stopped us in the past.
by StillLostinNC on Jun 26, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
They will most likely get QO's in the next few days
if they’re not traded. No hurry on the Hawks part if they’re still shopping them.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 27, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I actually think Niemi will sign for far lower, 2.0 to 2.2 kind of thing, possibly lower still, in the 1.5 to 1.9 range. He’s a rookie Cup winner, ya, but he’s never been a number one through a regular season, and his limited experience in that respect will drop his contract value, imo.
Hjammer is an interesting case too. I think I said earlier, the Hawks will want to reward him for a job well done, but they’ll also be looking at comparables in terms of numbers, and his offensive stats and +/- will be used there, along with the fact that he is a 4th d-man. I can see him also at 2.0-2.5. Dunno. May be wishful thinking.
www.mjt.org
The compensation is what makes the situation not as dire as people seem to believe
Sure, sign our guys for big numbers. We’ll take the draft picks. It might weaken us in the short term, but we’ll still have a very competitive team – and watch out in 2-5 years when these draft picks start working their way onto the team.
You might not be able to win consecutive Cups very easily in the salary cap era, but you sure can set yourself up to make a run at in the near future if you don’t make shortsighted decisions. I really can’t say enough about how well the Hawks management has handled the situation, going back to the Toews, Kane and Keith signings.
When I say I don’t have an ounce of worry regarding the Capocalypse, I’m dead serious. I’m actually very excited, almost like I was a few years ago when Toews and Kane started their careers. I feel like I’m watching this team get reborn all over again – and we have a Stanley Cup under our belt this time. Life is good!
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 27, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
agreed. whether or not this team defends its championship
it will still be a powerful playoff contender. and with the abundance of prospects and picks Bowman picked up, coupled with The Core sticking around for a good long while, this will become the team to be feared for an indefinite period in the near future.
by northernsails on Jun 27, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think Nintendo's market value is as high as we might think
shhhhhh!
If Kris Versteeg kills us, he'll be wearing a lesser sweater.
The only thing we’d have to worry about is an offer sheet, and whether or not we can match it. Strictly based on comparables we’d be able to sign him at something under 2.0, imo. His market value is very high, I think, in terms of willingness to pay him dollars … but whether or not teams will want to sacrifice the picks and the inevitable salary, that’s a different story.
www.mjt.org
The Hawks will not sign Niemi for over $3.0M
If a team offers him that, I see the Hawks parting ways and taking the 1st and 3rd round compensation picks for him, from the signing team, same with Hammer and Ladd. I would be surprised to see Niemi offered over $1.9M by another team, Hammer slight Chance up to $2.9, but doubt over $1.9M by another team, Ladd surely not over $1.9M. This is based off of the compensation picks the Hawks would get in return.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 27, 2010 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions
exactly
Also, does anyone have a clue what this years salary basement is to get a 1st and 3rd rounder in return for an RFA?
Last year, the bottom was $2 million. I’ve read from one source that this offseason, that number has been raised to $2.5 million, but seems way high.
The CBA has fixed numbers on this
I read nothing about a floating index for this type of compensation.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 27, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
The 2010 Salary list hasn't been released
It will probably be out on July 1st to coincide with free agency.
Below is the list from 2009. The numbers for 2010 will be higher than this. I’d guess that the 1st / 3rd draft choice will be 3.1 – 3.2 million.
$994,433 or below None
Over $994,433 to $1,506,716 Third-round choice
Over $1,506,716 to $3,013,434 Second-round choice
Over $3,013,434 to $4,520,150 First-round and third-round choice
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
$3.1 million
for a goalie with 50 games under his belt behind a defense that’s probably a lot better than your defense?
or a top-4 defenseman that’s kinda below the radar?
I could see teams giving up 2nd round picks for these guys, but I’d be surprised if anyone offers Nemo or Chalmers $2.5, even less for Ladd.
Mebbe throw in the “this is a fucking awesome team” discount and sew these guys up for $6 million.
If Kris Versteeg kills us, he'll be wearing a lesser sweater.
Agreed. I see Nemo and Hjammer going for the $2-2.5M range.
Certainly not three. They’ll need a few more successful years to earn that much. Both of them are very young for their respective positions, and haven’t played that often in the NHL. I’d be happy with the Hawks offering 2.2-ish each. And I think that they’d accept on those terms; they both want to be a part of this team, and they both know how quickly this roster is going to be in Cup contention again.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 27, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Rationally, I agree with this
but somehow I would not be the least bit surprised to see someone bite big on Super Nintendo or Niemi. A lot of talk is about teams adopting the “Blackhawk” model; two years ago the Blackhawk model was to offer irrationally large salaries to free agents. How much real success had Huet had when we threw that salary at him?
The picks might be prohibitive, but there’s got to be someone else out there that thinks one of these guys is worth 3 and a second.
I’m backpedaling a little bit from my earlier thoughts. Maybe Steeg or Ladd needs to go in order for the rest of the team to fit into the clown car.
by StillLostinNC on Jun 27, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I've been running my numbers games figuring $2 million for each of those 3
I may be off on one (or all) but I think $6 million for the 3 is a reasonable working figure
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The Issue with these numbers I see is
The Hawks are carrying about $3.6M in Performance bonuses (Kane and Toews) on the 2010-11 Payroll. You only address $220,000. This difference lowers you Cap space by ~$3.4M to $2.1M, with Niemi, Ladd, and Hammer at 2009-10 Pay Rates. Those three alone should easily combine to $4-5M in pay raises from 2009-10. You may be able to cover 1 with this Cap Space, but would be deafly close to Cap limit before the season, very much limiting call if needed, especially if a lower paid player gets injured. $3-5M needs to still get shed, which Versteeg just happens to fall into (not an untouchable).
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 27, 2010 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I didn't address
anything in those numbers. It was just meant to look at what money we had available to give in raises and bonuses. What are the other bonuses owed to Kane? For some reason, I thought that olympic bonuses were covered this year, but then again, I guess that’s not necessarily information that’s publicly known.
by StillLostinNC on Jun 27, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Kane and Toews
Combined for over $4.25 Million in Performance bonuses last year. With the Hawks only being about $600,000 from the Cap this past season, the rest of the bonuses are counted against this years Cap. So even though the Cap is $59.4M, the Hawks only have $56.1M to work with, about $300,000 less than last season (Buy out from Curtis Brown was about $400,000 from the $56.8M Cap). The Hawks can go up to a combined $65.34M during the offseason on payroll (Cap +10%), but have to be below the combined $59.4M by Game 1. I do not believe prospective Bonuses (Skille and Beach) are taken into account during the Offseason, but are at the beginning of the season until considered “unlikely to occur” at which time the team can use that Cap Space. This $65.43M Cap is huge in play right now, since at no time can the Hawks Payroll and 2009-10 bonus carry over go over this limit, which includes tendering Qualifying Offers to RFA’s (they are immediately considered in Cap Calculations). Violations of this will result in severe fines to the Hawks of Millions of Dollars and probable Draft loses.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 27, 2010 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
So is this why
we can’t tender an offer to Hendry right now? I think that gives us a big clue as to the state of the numbers right now.
What makes it worse
Unless the Hawks move Huet, his $5.5M counts until Game 1, even if he is sent to Rockford. So really the Hawks are playing with $50.6M on 20 players, and even with the 10% + Cap, when you account for bonuses and Huet, the Hawks have only $56.24M for 20 roster spots.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 27, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Bonuses
Again the amount the Hawks used the bonus cushion is purely speculative.
Capgeek and such sights could literally be 2M off in their estimates.
I’m still thinking you take 1.5M off the top of the cap to cover Huet and build a 20 man roster with the rest.
How do the 'scratched' guys work in determining an NHL roster?
Is there a set level of guys that count against your cap during the season, or is it just that you have to watch that you don’t call up an expensive Rockford guy if someone with a cheaper cap hit is out for the night?
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Jun 27, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
20 - 23 active roster
During the season the active roster (20 – 23 players) is used to calculate the cap hit. So the active roster includes up to 3 guys “scratched” for the night. You figure out what their salary is for the year and then take a days worth and add it to the accumulated cap.
What matters for a Rockford callup is over the next years summer. Two way players count their NHL salary prorated per games played. So they count for tagging room over the summer.
Got it, thanks.
So while I’m sure they wouldn’t go with just 20 or 21 for the new season, at worst they should be able to wait for the opening game, when the Huet gambit would open up the cap breathing room to round out the roster.
But we really should be thinking in terms of leaving an extra $1.5m for those last three men in the skybox.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Jun 27, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
You also need to factor in
A call up to replace a guy on IT/LTIR (Hossa, Burrish) do not count against the Cap if they are making less then the injured player.
All this considered, everytime I work it out the Hawks are sitting at about $60-60.5M combined (Salary and bonuses) for 2009-10, about $3.2-3.7M over the Cap limit. The reason it is over and not a penalty is the bonuses, which a team can go over by a certain amount only off of bonuses. Since all this does not fit under the 2009-10 Cap, the rest carries to 2010-11.
Also buying out Huet I think would be a mistake. It saves a little to be able to wiggle for the summer, but it costs 4 years of a Cap hit. It is better for the Hawks to sweat it out this summer, and keep the room in the future, considering the large long term contracts all ready in play through that term (Hossa, Keith, Campbell, Toews, Kane).
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 28, 2010 4:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Make that
IR/LTIR
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 28, 2010 4:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Just to make sure we are on the same page...
… 1.5M is NOT a buyout. It is Huet’s cap hit for the year for being on the payroll during the summer.
tendering
My understanding is that the Hawks could tender him but don’t want to give him a raise. They don’t think anyone else will try to sign him and I think they are correct.
You can tender at the minimum
Only if you can stay under cap. If the player were the accept, is the reason why just tendering counts against. But yes, you can tender for the minimum to retain rights, and then negotiate.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 28, 2010 4:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I think you're right on this - they don't think there's a danger of losing him
and they may not want to give him the raise – hell, his QO is higher than Hammer’s!
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I heard this KHL theory being floated at least 2 months ago...
I am not a “Hu-ater” (or however you say it) the dude won 26 games, and I wish him the best.
But even if he were 100% awesome, that salary has got to go.
I’m picturing Rocky and Scotty in trenchcoats walking near the Kremlin for a clandestine meeting with a suitcase full of large bills…
“Time to trade Moose for Squirrel”
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
by Byfuglie33 on Jun 26, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by northernsails on Jun 26, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
fictitious quote
“Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat.”
- Bowmanwinkle
If Kris Versteeg kills us, he'll be wearing a lesser sweater.
by cliffkoroll on Jun 26, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am no cap genius....
but doesn’t Huet’s cap hit disappear if they send him to Rockford and just leave him there?
It would at least be gone for the regular season
but I’ve read that he can’t be sent to the minors until the beginning of next season, which would mean his cap hit would still create headaches for offseason signings. I have no idea what degree of truth there is to that.
by StillLostinNC on Jun 26, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
360 degrees of truth.
He’s on the roster, along with his cap, until 12 days before the season starts. At that point they can put him on waivers and keep him in Rockford for the year; and his cap hit stays there with him unless and until we bring him up.
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now does the AHL have a max cap?
I wondered that… if they do would moving huet down there cause them to have issues?
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GREAT!!! Ship his ass down!
I still think they move Versteeg just so they have enough room to move before huet’s cap hit comes off the books.
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Cap no
But Veteran players yes. Can not recall off the top of my head, but I think it like 5-7 players only.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 27, 2010 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions
one clarification...
If Huet clears waivers he still counts against the cap until the day before the season. There is NO distinction between a minor league and major league one way (SPC) contract until the day before the season starts.
It's either Steeger or Sharpie.
No one wants to make these moves. They have to. Huet has to go at $5MM/ year. Not even debatable. Does anyone know if his numbers count if they were to move him within the NHL and paid some of his ticket? How about to Montreal (where he had some success and they now need a back up) and the Hawks paying 3 out of the 5 owed? Does that work or do you have to then count the 3 contribution against the cap? If it counts, his only option is out of the NHL and eat it with no cap considerations.
The “Tallon/ Postal Fiasco” Foursome (Barker, Buff, Steeger, and Bolland) are all guys that went on the list that you need to pick from at $3MM/ year. Add Sharpie, Hjammer, and Niemi as the other menu items. Of those options, it really is a choice between Sharpie, Steeger, and Bolland. You take your best deal of the three. I would rather move Steeger cause he has significantly more mental mistakes (turnovers), is less versatile than Sharp (who as a “A” is also a key locker room guy), and has less upside than Bolland. The Rat eats up the other teams top lines (remember how good Bolland, Havlat, and Ladd played in 08/09 where they were our best line all year). He also had more Junior A goals than people think.
Let’s not panic. Our D is set with Hjammer signed. Let Boyton stay with Hendrey. Need Niemi and Crawford battling. And our new lines could look like:#1) 19,88, and 22. #2) 10, 81, and 82. #3) Bolland, Ladd and Bickell or Skille, and #4) Reasoner, Bickell or Skille, and Beach. And this doesn’t even take into account of all of the experienced talent that may want to sign a 1 year deal to take a final shot at a cup. Net, we’re fine if we move Steeger and Huet.
i’d try to put one of the rookies (skille or beach) on the second line with Hoss and Sharp.
overall, our lines are still really good. Other teams have gotten better (mainly st. Louis and L.A.), but we should still be in the top 4-5 teams in the conference and be ready to make another run at the Cup.
NHL doesn't allow sending cash in a deal
nor can a team partially pay a contract as part of a trade.
about the only way to totally clear him now is retirement (or death) – and the partially clear is buyout ($1.875 cap hit for 4 years).
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by krome on Jun 26, 2010 1:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
$1.875 mil a year x 4 is probably better than any cash deal anyway...
Is that the actual numbers for a Huet buyout? The numbers I heard were much worse.
Like they would have to spread over more than 4 years…
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
You can only spread over twice the length of the remaining contract.
And you only save 3.5 million to buy out the contract and it is a bigger cap hit for twice as long to do it. I’m still thinking loaning Huet to the other continent is what is going to happen. You only need 1.75 per year from somebody to make it even. Then that cuts the cap hit and to only two years.
With apologies to Huet, I sure hope they can pull this off.
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Patricia Bergeron? Iggy? and beating the "Versteeg will be gone" drum.
C’mon now McClure that would be a horrific waste of cap space to acquire a guy with a bad history of concussions and various injuries, not to mention he’s well known to disappear when the games matter most ie., the playoffs and the Olympics (yah, he was there … I know hard to forget with his Ryan Parent ice-time). I think our cap space left, as little as it is, could be spent in a better way. He’d be better in Pittsburgh alongside his boyfriend Sidney Crosby.
Iginla is going nowhere – ever. He’ll remain a Calgary Flame and continually lose to the Blackhawks all 4 times he faces them again this year. So sad, but true.
Versteeg may be gone today. That won’t bother me as this saga has gone on for too long now to the point I don’t really care anymore. Will a team trade a kid they just drafted less than 24 hours ago to acquire Versteeg? Who knows at this point but chances are good that it could.
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McClure?
Hey Sam, for my money “Day 1 Thoughts” is one fucking insipid inspired title.
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by cliffkoroll on Jun 26, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Kevin Hayes
First test for young Stan. Does he have Tallon’s eyes?
From today’s Daily Herald:
“The criticism was he didn’t play against good competition, but that’s not his fault,” Bowman said. “I saw him play last summer in a tournament in Slovakia against good competition and he played very well.”
Seems like a small sample size, but we shall see.
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Anyone know when the second round starts? And if it's televised?
I haven’t been able to find a listing so far.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 26, 2010 12:53 PM CDT reply actions
its already started
and its on the NHL network. If you dont have it, follow this: http://twitter.com/espnchihawks
Ludvig Rensfeldt might just be the best name of the draft.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 26, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
wasn't he Dracula's valet/errand boy?
the guy who ate bugs and all?
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by krome on Jun 26, 2010 1:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
By my count
that’s 4 guys. Didn’t they have five picks in the 2nd? Did they trade one?
by Bellwether Meltdown on Jun 26, 2010 1:06 PM CDT reply actions
to Toronto
for some dude they haven’t told is being traded yet? I’m not entirely clear on that part, but yes, we traded #43, I think
Got both brothers now within the organization.
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Haha, that's awesome
I like that we have both on the team. It’d be great having a chance with your brother.
Crazy how they’ve already changed his team on NHL.com so quickly after it happened. I think they did it even before the prospect was announced.
This makes it sound
like it was the plan all along.
Could we possibly get Calgary to part with Keith Seabrook?
Roll, roll roll
in ze hay
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The World Cup
would be much improved if U2 was not involved
and if we got Savard or Iggy I’d piss myself
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 26, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
How's everybody feel about the Hawks' love for US players
Seems kinda odd to me. I understand the US rocked the tournaments this year, but still seems a slightly risky move to me.
aside from having the best player in hockey
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 26, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm curious as to when they'll start having trouble convincing players they drafted to come over.
As the KHL gets better, the obscene money there will start looking better and better. I’m wondering if the Caps’ Russian strategy won’t backfire on them in the next few years when it comes to convincing draft picks to actually come to the States.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 26, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Gearing up for Round 4
and aw, they listed Hjammer as one of the Round 4 picks who ended up being notable in the NHL.
Also, if the Hawks are going to take a goalie, expect them to take him in the next few rounds. Common wisdom (and statistical evidence, and experience) says that you shouldn’t pick goalies in the first two rounds, but round 4 seems like a likely time for clubs to start picking their netminders.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 26, 2010 1:24 PM CDT reply actions
Yup
We already got a goalie. I was hoping we’d pick up Pickard but I could tell as soon as he was nabbed that the management would grab a goalie in the next pick, and they did. I think they wanted Pickard but didn’t think he’d get picked when he was.
Yeah, Simpson's a goalie.
We drafted him at the bottom of round two, which I thought was a questionable decision on the club’s part, but oh well. He was ranked top three among North American goalies, so I guess the Hawks didn’t want to take a chance that he’d get snapped up before the third round. Given our lack of depth at the position, I still wouldn’t be surprised to see us take another G before this thing is over.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 26, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Completely out my ass...
but wouldn’t Bobby Ryan for Versteeg (plus?) be a major upgrade, at like only 1.5M/yr more? Assuming Huet’s 5.625M/yr is knocked off the books, this could work, right???
"I saw [Watson] coming at me from the side so I wheeled around and cleaved him from the top of his forehead to the bridge of his nose, for 35 stitches. Without any remorse at all." - B. Hull
Sure would, but it won't happen
We can’t afford to add much salary right now. If we get rid of Versteeg it’ll most likely be for future picks/prospects.
Yeah, Ryan for Versteeg would be a huge upgrade.
But unless the Ducks have a sudden attack of the stupids, it’s not going to happen. We can’t afford more salary, and they can’t afford to lose Ryan.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 26, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Who the hell is Joakim Nordstrom?
And why did we take him in the 3rd round when he was rated at 208 by the source I saw? Apparently he’s a center? I don’t even know, I couldn’t find much about him in a cursory google search.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 26, 2010 1:39 PM CDT reply actions
Round 2 picks bio's
Ludvig Rensfledt
Justin Holl
Stephen Johns
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Ludvig Rensfledt
Ludvig Rensfeldt, LW — Brynas IF J18A
The big Swede has been steadily rising all season but being able to showcase his abilities in front of so many scouts was not something he had really had the opportunity to do as of yet. Rensfeldt has a terrific shot that can really cause trouble for goaltenders, especially when he fires it off the rush through screens. His big, strong body allows him to fend off checks and maintain possession down low and he is always a threat from every area in the offensive zone. Rensfeldt has pushed his way up the charts and now looks to be a late first-round to early second-round prospect come draft day,…..April 10, 2009
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Kent Simpson. Very impressive numbers in the WHL last season. Could be quite the steal at that time of the draft.
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according to Jesse Rodgers
Philly and the Hawks are closing to making a trade… which is odd since philly has pick 119 and the hawks has pick 120
Hayes Brothers Reunion
Not sure if that was mentioned yet but the brother of the first pick we selected was traded for the 43rd pick from Toronto
Overcome
Here a cool plaque of Antti Niemi as he hoists the Stanley Cup. Every day it feels more and more real.
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Antti Niemi becomes the first Finnish Goalie in NHL history to win the Stanley Cup
We just made Mikka Kippersoft cry… again.
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
Hi meeshak, how are you?
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huet...
I thought if Huet got sent to Rockford we would still pay his bloated salary, but it would NOT count against the cap…So that frees up dough to sign Niemi…Does anyone else think our goaltending is so fucking solid? So Crawford comes up? Can we get Mason from St Louis? HELLO?
by Fully Kreusened on Jun 26, 2010 5:29 PM CDT reply actions
a lot of the problem is timing - we can't get Huet off the books until almost the start of the season if he goes to the AHL
and we’ll need to wrap up a lot of the other contracts before then
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First, you gotta get rid of Huet...
Then, you figure out who’s gonna back up Niemi…
Proceed to pick up pieces from there.
Strap it up, and hunker down.
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
Tell me more about that Flames guy...
It gives me a spot on chub just thinking about it….If we can’t get Jerome, can we get another guy the size of Buff to terrorize Vancouver? Just thinking out loud for Chrissakes..
by Fully Kreusened on Jun 26, 2010 5:31 PM CDT reply actions
I was thinking the same thing...
Akim Aliu was the biggest dude we had in the minors.
But we moved him from Rockford to the ECHL? and now Atlanta (Wolves)?
Golly, Walleye, now I’m really gonna get it!
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
Aliu was crap (in my limited opinion)
Reminded me slightly of a Buff Jr. I watched him play a few games and to say I was underwhelmed would be an understatement.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 27, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
then I'm glad I never caught much of him
sounds like we got the good end of that trade.
by northernsails on Jun 27, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
2 wingers, 2 goalies
3 centers, 3 defensemen. If nothing else, a well-rounded draft.
For what it’s worth, the NHL Scouting rankings of the Hawks picks -
Kevin Hayes – 26
Ludvig Rensfeldt – 5Euro
Justin Holl – 47
Kent Simpson – 3
Stephen Johns – 35
Joakim Nordstrom – 37Euro
Rob Flick – NR
Mirko Hoefflin – 23Euro
Nick Mattson – 134
Macmillian Carruth – 16
Flick not ranked but there are a few you tube vids of his fights.
Waiting for a qualifying offer to Hammer.
"Usually when I wielded a hockey stick, it meant somebody was going to get hurt." - Stan Mikita
Wasn't Flick the dude that licked the flagpole in Christmas Story?
And wasn’t Ralphie’s mom in Slap Shot?
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
flagpole thing always bugged me
wouldn’t some warm water do the trick?
If Kris Versteeg kills us, he'll be wearing a lesser sweater.
rumor is Jelly got himself an QO
This means we keep him, yes? I can relax about the possibility of losing him now?
This means that they extended him a contract offer (which is good) and it allows us to match any offer a team gives him.
but if he decides its too low and the bottom falls out and he signs somewhere else than we at least get compensation for him (draft picks). Its a really good sign and I honestly dont see the hawks letting him get away. Im interesting in knowing what kind of deals money and years wise they offered Niemi and Jelly!
Drink it up!
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Plus, I doubt they extended a contract offer to him
without pretty much securing the deal in advance. Sounds like good news (hopefully the numbers are good too!)
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 26, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Hammer is someone I could see giving us somewhat
of a discount when it comes time to ink the deals. I think he loves it here and why would you want to leave the team you just won the cup with and has all of the pieces in place to win it multiple times in a 5-6 year span! Unless Stan the man gives him a insulting offer or something.
Drink it up!
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I actually doubt there’s a great deal of contact between the player (and his agent, naturally) and Hawks management. They’re bound by the CBA to offer him 110%, of course, but even though they’d want to avoid arbitration it’s purely numbers right now, especially in our tight situation. They’d look at comparables, I’d think, and try to get him at around that number for 5 years or so.
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Sweet.
Hammer needs to stay. Edzo considers him the third best d-man and I agree.
Am I alone in thinking it might be a good time to shop Soup?
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Nickle for your thoughts
Anybody think that maybe we should have taken a chance on Kirill Kabanov? He was ranked as high as the top 5 on many draft boards, but then had some problems that were supposedly caused by his parents and slipped to the 3rd.
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Nope. This team has chemistry.
No need to screw that up with a kid who’s know to be a bit of a prima dona, and a problem in the dressing room. When your major juniors team and the Russian national team no longer want you and your agent laughs in your face before hitting the door on the way out, no way do we want to take that chance either.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 26, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions
All this Capocalypse talk over the past weeks/months/season is driving me bonkers
It’s not over, but from what I’ve seen so far, we’re still looking damn good. Sorry to all you other teams that were hoping we’d become Toronto – we’re still better than you.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 26, 2010 8:04 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Hell yea we are!
Toronto is screwed with their lack of good picks this draft! They cant rebuild because they have nothing to rebuild with!
Drink it up!
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Kabanov
Yeah I was thinking about that also, but I had seen a draft special about Kabanov the other day, and I gotta tell you the kid has got some serious offensive skills, but also some serious problems with his pops and keeping an agent, and tattoos for some reason go figure ( and I’m talking an obscene amount of tats like full body) but I digress, he just caught my eye and I was curious as to how far he would fall from where he was at the start of the season.
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Just curious...
Have the Hawks said if they’re going to make an offer to Burish?
by Bellwether Meltdown on Jun 26, 2010 8:35 PM CDT reply actions
I doubt it
but I guess he could be a cheap replacement for some of the younglings who arnt ready to wear the big boy undies yet!
Drink it up!
In Stanley we trust! 34,38,61, and finally 2010!!!
BTW
11 straight for the Sox. FTW. Sorry Mighty Cu fans.
"Usually when I wielded a hockey stick, it meant somebody was going to get hurt." - Stan Mikita
yeah they've really picked things up lately
in somewhat surprising ways. but mostly against national league teams. at some point we’ll actually have to play american league teams again….
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by puppetmasterp on Jun 26, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
as long as the pitching holds up
Im ok with that
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 26, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
While I agree they havent been playing very many good teams
The Braves were one of the hottest teams in baseball and were on an 6 game win streak when we swept them. I think that they will continue to win series and will now be hanging around the top of the division the rest of the year. Say what you want about the teams they have played lately. The starting pitching is finally getting it figured out and that is scary!
Drink it up!
In Stanley we trust! 34,38,61, and finally 2010!!!
Jake Peavy and Gavin Floyd were filthy in their last two starts
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 26, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
hey i'm not saying the Sox haven't played well
but despite the Hawks winning the Stanley Cup, i’m still a chicago fan after all. I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop. But I’d love for you to be right. And nothing in baseball makes me happier than seeing lights out pitching.
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by puppetmasterp on Jun 27, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions
The last time that happened...
1961.
Interesting indeed.
2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS
It's been a long journey but in the end it was all worth it, and I wouldn't have ever changed a thing. The feeling is so surreal, yet so real.
a good year to break 49 year streaks
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 26, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Somehow, I just knew Paulie was gonna crank one in the 8th...
And Visquel hoists the cup!
(Paulie said he was the oldest player on the Sox that had never hoisted the cup)
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
No more trades??
If Bowman says they don’t need to make any more trades to get under the cap, I would bet the lint between my toews that Huet is an Icehog. That is the only way he could truthfully say that (if he was being truthful)
II Can Finally Die Happy Now!
so how many good goals have to be discounted?
before FIFA realizes how stupid they look without replay to at least decide goals? even if they don’t use relay for fouls or cards. yeeesh.
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Almost as many as SCUM had taken back
That’s just a guess though.
ART.I§8-11; AM I-XXVII
James Madison is my Hero!
1961 is so Two Cups ago!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 27, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, England was down 2-1 (still are)
but about a minute after the first England goal, Lampard (English midfielder) nailed one off the inside of the crossbar that bounced down over the goal line. German goal keeper picked it up quickly and the ref called no goal, even though it was about 2 feet over the line.
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by puppetmasterp on Jun 27, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd love to see England or any team that
gets screwed by these calls just walk off the pitch and tell FIFA to go fuck themselves.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
well England will losing b/c they’re playing badly, as it’s now 4-1 anyway. but still…they should be losing 4-2, to be fair
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by puppetmasterp on Jun 27, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I should have made it clearer
that England walk off after the deficit became 3-1. That ended up being a swing of two goals. If the goal for England would have counted, I doubt they would have been playing so aggressively.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
Puck Daddy lists Hawks as one of the handful of "winners" in the draft...
Chicago Blackhawks
The Dustin Byfuglien trade with the Atlanta Thrashers was a productive salary dump. Then, in the Draft, the Stanley Cup champions had 10 selections including five in the first two rounds, which is outstanding. LW Ludvig Rensfeldt, taken at No. 35, was the fifth-ranked European skater via Central Scouting. ’Hawks fans should be happier than Patrick Kane(notes) in Vegas with the last week for Stan Bowman.
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 27, 2010 2:04 PM CDT reply actions
Also, I believe we actually had 11 picks, no?
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 27, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey
Not to toot my own horn (ok, that’s a lie), but, a few days ago, vancitydan was moaning about the CHI-VAN series and I hit him with this. No replies, but the Ace Ventura tie-in was (kissing sound), no?
Now most of what I say is deservedly ignored, but I saw BigC drummin’ up business for his kick-ass SCF fanpost the other day, and he’s already get like a billion recs, so wtf?
If Kris Versteeg kills us, he'll be wearing a lesser sweater.
is this a new one?
I did?
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 27, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm just being a baby
you made a passing comment to someone who hadn’t seen your post (you’ll appreciate ths- as my dad told me he learned in the Army, 10% never get it, right?)
I chose to portray your comment as you shamelessly hawking your product, in furtherance of my own craven designs.
If Kris Versteeg kills us, he'll be wearing a lesser sweater.
+1 for use of "craven"
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 27, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't feel bad cliff
BigC won’t comment in or rec my fanposts either. Maybe I should put a placard on my scrubber and stand in the middle of a Columbus off ramp.
I think this is only the 2nd thread that I’ve read the comments to since the Hawks won the Cup, otherwise I’m sure I would have of course rec’d it ;)
But if you just want to continue being a baby and play the crying game…
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 27, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't call me a baby!
Wah!
Oh wait, I called myself a baby.
Look, all I’m asking for is something like this:
heh. dude, you torched vancitydan. Pure genius, that. That Ace Ventura scene with the loony parents. Hah. nailed it. And his name is Dan! Laces out! Too fucking much.
That’s all.
If Kris Versteeg kills us, he'll be wearing a lesser sweater.
i'm on double rations of stupid today
not grokking Stebey (Google nonplussed.)
don’t tell me this is another Ace Ventura reference.
If Kris Versteeg kills us, he'll be wearing a lesser sweater.
worth the link
If Kris Versteeg kills us, he'll be wearing a lesser sweater.
and you completely missed
my Ace Venture tie in
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 27, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
waaaaaa!
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 27, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
fuck me fuck me fuck me
i deserve nothing!
If Kris Versteeg kills us, he'll be wearing a lesser sweater.
i see what you did there
and all you had to do was circle it with a big red marker.
auto-rec! ;-)
If Kris Versteeg kills us, he'll be wearing a lesser sweater.
What the hell, I rec your stuff, I even sent an email
on your photoshop orgy that you just put together
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 27, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I also like
Lord Stanley beats all the teams in the yard. I never thought I would see a reference to that song on this site, in fact, it made me feel kinda dirty
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 27, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry for kinda starting this incipient imbroglio
/impishly points out zero comments from BigC on “milkshake”
If Kris Versteeg kills us, he'll be wearing a lesser sweater.
hey just because I dont comment
doesnt mean I didnt read/try to understand CNS’s old man humor, and rec accordingly
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 27, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
grow up people
nobody loves any of us anyway.
that is all.
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by puppetmasterp on Jun 27, 2010 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh i remember this
bitching about our “diving” that was kind of stoopid of him
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 27, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
unrelated
as VerStig said, you’re freaking me out with the constantly changing title of your fanpost.
As so often, the vsion of your “command console” pops into my head.
If Kris Versteeg kills us, he'll be wearing a lesser sweater.
Im going to start changing mine randomly to screw with you guys
to something like “Patrick Sharp streaking down the Las Vegas strip” that’ll get all the girls (and possibly McClure)
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 27, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Marketing 101
“Free” and “Sex” are the best attention-grabbers. Variants of “Booze” can be pretty effective too.
If Kris Versteeg kills us, he'll be wearing a lesser sweater.
I hope this does not happen
If Kris Versteeg kills us, he’ll be wearing a lesser sweater.
Though I think he will be in a different sweater.
ART.I§8-11; AM I-XXVII
James Madison is my Hero!
1961 is so Two Cups ago!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 27, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
just building on
the alcoholics’ (and D’artagnian the stoner’s) motto.
If Kris Versteeg kills us, he'll be wearing a lesser sweater.
I caught that
Just don’t want it!
ART.I§8-11; AM I-XXVII
James Madison is my Hero!
1961 is so Two Cups ago!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 27, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
all I'm saying
is, if Versteeg is in an Indianhead, it’ll be the booze that kills our fearless leaders.
that is, if I’m remembering my logic (you know, the contrapositive.)
If Kris Versteeg kills us, he'll be wearing a lesser sweater.
I can deal with the booze killing us
Or Versteeg being Country Stupid once in a while in an Indian Head Sweater. If he is in a inferior sweater, we need to ensure we also send the “do not dump the puck”, and “look at me, I’m Marian Hossa………oh shit, maybe not” stuff too!
ART.I§8-11; AM I-XXVII
James Madison is my Hero!
1961 is so Two Cups ago!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 27, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
gmh
that is totally unfair.
or maybe not.
If Kris Versteeg kills us, he'll be wearing a lesser sweater.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaand
gotta rec that, on the strength of “possibly McClure”.
If Kris Versteeg kills us, he'll be wearing a lesser sweater.
we traded a couple of them
for other draft picks as well as Jimmy Hayes, the brother of one of the guys we drafted.
Umm, is this for realz?
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5333896
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ART.I§8-11; AM I-XXVII
James Madison is my Hero!
1961 is so Two Cups ago!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 27, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
c'mon
if Bron and Bosh came to Chi, you’d be excited
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 27, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm with ya
imagine what the rockin’ on the west side could be like the next few springs.
If Kris Versteeg kills us, he'll be wearing a lesser sweater.
I feel like the only person in Chicago
that HATES LeBron James.
it's entirely possible this isn't sarcasm
I understand
LeBron is amazingly talented…but he seems like an egotistical ass. Then again, I don’t follow basketball anymore, so what do I know?
I like LeBron
he would be good here, as long as he is fine living in MJs shadow
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 27, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
THIS EXACTLY
Everything that goes right is because of him and everything that goes wrong is everyone else’s fault. He’s a drama queen and a poor sportsman. Any time anyone so much as touches him he acts like he was the victim of strong-armed robbery.
it's entirely possible this isn't sarcasm
Let's be honest, Chicago glorifies Jordan, and it's not like he's a saint.
Just look up his hall of fame speech to see his lack of modesty in action.
I would be happy to see King James in Chicago because I love winning! I think by adding James+Bosh to the Bulls core, we’d have a chance to create a dynasty
by blackhawkeyes on Jun 28, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions
when you are the bet to ever play the game
fuck modesty, there was a shrine built to the man after he retired the first time then he came back and won three more. If it was me making that speech in his shoes, it would have been
“Yeah, Im fucking bad ass…that is all”
also would it be crazy to have two potential dynasties occupying one building?
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 28, 2010 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Jordan was the greatest, and I love seeing the 6 banners in the UC
I guess he does have every right to say, “fuck all of you who thought I couldn’t do this”, but he shouldn’t have to. everyone knows. How about thanking some of the teammates and coaches who cemented your legacy and leaving out the BS.
And on the other point, I would love to see 2 dynasties in the UC together! although the ice might be more like an ICEE with both teams playing until June…
by blackhawkeyes on Jun 28, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
there isn't much to be modest about
when you’re Michael Jordan.
it's entirely possible this isn't sarcasm
I agree with you
I had lost respect for Jordan quite awhile ago. As great as a player that he was, his lack of gratitude & class during his HOF acceptance speech will be his legacy to me. Also, he was horrible as a GM. He made Mike Milbury look good. I’m sure he won’t be much better as an owner.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
+1
Thanks for the memories and the banners MJ. Since then though and that HOF speech…
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 28, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
NBA
infinitely less than NHL
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
but
I just want all chicago teams to kick ass, it would be nice to go around collecting hardware for the next few years
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 27, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm all for the hardware collection
I just have no interest what so ever in basketball anymore.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
i'm with you on
this 100%. Nothing makes me happier than Chicago being able to rejoice in total sports domination.
I've been listening to The Score and ESPN more than usual lately
and when you weigh all of the rumors, it’s sounds more than likely to be true. The Bulls have really put themselves in a position to load up like the Celtics did a few years ago.
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 27, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Im just remembering how
a few years ago people were saying we might get Kobe, but that never was close to true
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 27, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
there's a betting line on this
a couple weeks ago, Cleveland was the overwhelming favorite, but Chicago was the overwheling #2, and that was before Heinrich.
Also, something about this being a “basketball” decision from the LeBron camp today. New York’s been flogging its “we’re the most amazing city on the world” shtick, but the guy’s already worldwide outta Cleveland, so this “basketball” comment seems like a snub of the “glam” suitors..
LeBron, Bosh, Rose, and Noah underneath. THAT looks like a basketball decision.
If Kris Versteeg kills us, he'll be wearing a lesser sweater.
yeah
that would be insane
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 27, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
more rumors!
Ladd got a QO for 1.65million (via Darren Dreger’s twitter)
apparently the Hawks want to resign Hendry without giving him a QO…how does that work? Let him becoming a UFA then sign him again? (via Jesse Roger’s blog)
…I feel like such a rumormonger. When does the trading/signing period end? I like to know when I can stop wondering about these things.
rest assured
when this ends, there’ll be the next thing: how to round out the roster.
Convention, mebbe some drunken stupidity flap over the summer, and next thing you know, it’s pre-sesaon.
/fingers in ears. there’s no such thing as baseball.
If Kris Versteeg kills us, he'll be wearing a lesser sweater.
Hendry's minimum QO would be higher than the minimum to Hammer
and who else is going to sign Hendry?
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Mrs. Hendry does
Actually, I do feel like he could still develop into a fine puck-moving defenseman… I would love to have him back.
he’s just not necessary though. I think he plays way too small for his size.
While I’m not sure what D-men will be available for next to nothing, there’s gotta be a guy that’s comparable to Hendry for the same price. Especially if it means they’ll have the opportunity to play for a contender.
I don't feel that the Hawks have anyone who is as good and/or ready in the system
so it’ll be Hendry for at least a year, unless as you suggest they make a trade or sign a FA.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 28, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
For laughs I sometimes read the comments after Trib stories on hockey
like the one today reporting Ladd’s QO:
dale tallon had great drafts for the last 4 or 5 years and picked up good free agents.but signing huet for over 5 million was stupid and brian cambell for 7 million per was insane. so they need to get rid of cambell and huet and or hossa.instead of getting rid of all these roll players.and bring up more of those stud rookies,and hope that niemi gets better and more consistent.
It’s shit like that that makes this place so awesomely awesome.
Our Cup.
Seriously
Personally I found Sharks fans’ fear of Dale Tallon amusing:
I love Vokoun, but I fear DW will get raped in a trade with Tallon.
you left out a bit
… I’d trade Campbell in a heartbeat if I could…
. . . replace him with someone just as good for $3Mil/year less.
Which you can’t. There are only a very few with his puck movement skills and they are unlikely to be available, and at that would only save you maybe $1-$2Mil. Campbell’s overpaid, yes, but nearly impossible to replace at this point for any significant cap savings.
Our Cup.
"replace him with someone just as good for $3Mil/year less"
No, I’d trade him for a guy “worth” a 3M/year contract. I’d take the lesser but more cost effective player on my second D-pair. When you are starting to talk about half your team needing to be entry level players to fit under the cap, I’d trade Campbell in a heartbeat if I could…
I agree
I love Campbell as a player. He’s one of my favorite Hawks. Unfortunately with the current situation, I’d trade Campbell for the ability to sign 2 or 3 veteran players – but I will add, only if there is solid 2nd line d-man available.
Maybe someone like Mike Green. (See what I did there?)
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 28, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
This is what every Hawks fan needs!
This is pretty hilarious!
The Chicago Blackhawks -- 2010 Stanley Cup Champions!!!!!!
"I can't stop crying and laughing." Preacher
what the...
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 27, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
From a technical standpoint, it's not up to your video standards, Big C...
but it is freaking funny!
The crying Flyer is great!
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He is not a Happy Panda
ART.I§8-11; AM I-XXVII
James Madison is my Hero!
1961 is so Two Cups ago!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 27, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
that was hilarious
and the one black lego guy for buff
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 27, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
My 12-year-old daughter asked, "Buff is black?"
The younger generation really IS color blind.
The Chicago Blackhawks -- 2010 Stanley Cup Champions!!!!!!
"I can't stop crying and laughing." Preacher
real question
does Toews have a funny face
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by BigCSouthside on Jun 27, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes!
And Kane has a mullet.
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 27, 2010 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
And since I'm not in Chicago
Is this picture for sale there? I really like it! I’m thinking of getting it unless I can get a better quality one somewhere else. (And don’t y’all buy them all up before I can!)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380246524146&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
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repost: OT fanpost question
put this up in the last main thread, but…how do you insert text boxes in a fanpost?
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
Do you mean like this?
I am a quote box!
To do that, I use the blockquote tag. It works like this:
< blockquote> I am a quote box! < /blockquote>
Take out the spaces inside the brackets, and poof, boxes.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 27, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
well i know how to do it in comments
but having more trouble in the fanpost. esp with ending the blockquote where i think i’m telling it to…..SIGH, i suck at this.
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
by puppetmasterp on Jun 27, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
nevermind
i see my problem, thanks!
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
by puppetmasterp on Jun 27, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, Sopel
I love you but for your contract. Sopel at the Pride Parade, from Puck Daddy. I love this quote from Wysh:
If we had a Hot Tub Time Machine, we’d travel back to opening night in Oct. 2009, show Sopel this video and count the seconds until his brain exploded …
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jun 28, 2010 1:03 PM CDT reply actions
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