Navigating The Windward Passage - More Game 3 Afermath
by McClure on Jun 3, 2010 6:48 PM CDT
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Thanks to GMH for the pinch-hit recap. Hopefully we won't have to press her into duty too often as it's unfair to her, and plus she just made the three of us look REALLY bad. Taking nothing away from anything she wrote this morning (all of which I completely agree with), I have a few more points of discussion as we count the seconds until a critical game 4 tomorrow night (and for the 785th time, we'll be at the Bottom Lounge - bring your Stadium Pal).
- Regarding Brent Sopel's minutes, particularly in the third, it's become glaringly apparent that Catfish is Q's safety blanket. While I understand he's defensively responsible and a shot blocking machine, watching Sopel under duress from the Flyers forecheck handling the puck this entire series has looked like a 17 year old trying to fingerbang with oven mitts on, goal notwithstanding. It was a tie game for all of 20 seconds of the third, and taking a defensive posture isn't going to do anyone any good in the playoffs. Furthermore, this was at the expense of Campbell's playing time, who was having a terrific game to that point transitioning the puck, and his CORSI numbers bear that out, being the only + defenseman not named Keith or Seabrook, and was far from a defensive liability - not to mention the effect his limited playing time has had on Hammer when he's partnered with Sopel. The way to make that type of forecheck pay is to make it miss and transition quickly the other way while its caught deep - now which of those two blueliners have doing so when the team's in need of a goal? Think about it. But I highly doubt Q stops grabbing for his binky any time soon.
- As was pointed out during the broadcast, Patrick Kane started breaking the puck into the Philly zone on his left and proper wing with greater frequency when Pronger was out there against he, Toews, and Buff. While it does limit some of the black magic he can wield relative to coming down his off wing with the puck toward the center of the ice when on his forehand, I much prefer his chances against Matt Carle than Chris Pronger if he can get isolation one on one with only marginally fewer options given Kane's high skill level and offensive IQ.
- Speaking of Philadelphia Dick Cheese, while he certainly hasn't left Buff alone as I (stupidly) predicted, to me it still hasn't been the epic battle the media has made it out to be. That being said, Pronger has rendered Buff mostly ineffective, and has gotten a few "star calls" from their battles in front, one of which (barely) ended up behind Niemi last night.
As I'm sure has been suggested in the comments, it's time to get Buff off that line, and force Laviolette to decide where Pronger is going to be needed, preferably for Troy Brouwer, who seems to have regained his stride after an understandably tough start to the playoffs. Assuming Lavvy keeps matching up Pronger against Daydream Nation, Brouwer is far more mobile than Byfuglien, and will make him skate more in the defensive zone rather than just engage in crease battles, which could have postive effects in the third period, as Pronger has already shown signs of wearing down as the game goes on from logging such heavy minutes. In the unlikely scenario that Laviolette would have Pronger follow Byfuglien to whatever line he lands on, that would presumably leave Braydon Coburn and Kimmo Timonen, who are already getting their balls gnawed off by Marian Hossa, out there against Kane and Toews. YES PLEASE.
Either way, it seems that getting Buff off that line gives Quenneville more options and puts the onus back on Laviolette. And yes, for the record, a writer of this blog is advocating jumbling the lines. - In keeping with the theme of the Hawks forwards against the Flyers defensemen, continue the monitor the gap between their blueliners as the Hawks forwards enter the offensive zone. As long as the Flyers continue to concede their blue line and not deny entry, my outlook on this series will remain positive.
- At the other end of things, Hawk forwards need to have better discretion in when they choose to help their defensemen at the hash marks and below, as they are leaving alleys for Flyer defensemen to shoot at will. Three of the Flyers' four goals last night originated from point shots - those defensemen need to be fronted better and forced to dump the puck back down low, particularly during the penalty kill.
- The power play is once again fucking clown shoes. How a team this offensively talented can't figure out how to consistently work a two-man isolation play between the half wall and the goal line I'll never understand.
- If Andrew Ladd can go tomorrow, Burwood needs to sit.
- And if the Hawks are going to be that matchy-uppy tomorrow, tighten up the fucking changes, boys.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 3, 2010 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
"grabbing for his binky"
that’s going into my personal lexicon whenever Sopel is out on the ice at some totally inappropriate moment. Thanks, McClure.
I think it was Hack who first advocated switching up Buff and Brouwer, and I totally agree with him and you both. They play similar enough roles (crash-bang guy who goes in front of the net), while still exhibiting the slight differences in their game (Brouwer’s speed, Buff’s snarl) that might make such a change successful.
One of the reasons why we won all those games on the road against Vancouver and San Jose was because of tight line changes, so it’s not like they’re not capable of executing better judgement on the fly, they just need to … get back on their horse, or whatever. I’m out of metaphors for the week.
the bad line changes
make me cry. maybe b/c it’s such a basic thing, and doesn’t have anything to do with Philly’s skill in play — well, except for the part where they effectively take advantage of bad line changes. But we open the door for them there, not that they punch the door open. So many other things that Philly does well, we don’t need to help them further by making simple mistakes.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 3, 2010 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
didnt the equalizer and game winner come from bad line changes?
oh, and McCreary is an amazing asshole, and I would think the same if I was wearing orange, how does that guy still have a job?
Also can the Hawks please stop pretending that they are the Flyers, it would be appreciated. Im all for physicality, but why lay a hard check and take yourself out of a play, they didnt do that against Vancouver. just please go back to Blackhawk hockey, please…or Ill shoot this dog, im totally serious this time
ps. Pierre McGuire needs to be beaten senseless with 9 iron.
Hossa's Attorney says:
TAKE OFF THOSE CLOWN SHOES OR I WILL SHOOT THIS DOG!
by BigCSouthside on Jun 3, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah i think so
part of my reason for crying
by puppetmasterp on Jun 3, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
yes
both were bad line changes of faceoffs with Q trying to get the perfect match up
by runningquicklynowhere on Jun 3, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Pardon me sir
but I believe this hole calls for a 5-iron.
teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.
I didn't come up with the Buff for Brouwer swap
but I think it is a good idea and DDN with TBrouw was my favorite line all year. What I’m not a fan of, yet, is wholesale changes….such as moving ladd (if healthy) up to one of the top two lines and Buff down to one of the bottom two. If we head back to chicago 2-2, then maybe we think about some bigger changes, but as winners of 7 of the last 8, I think a subtle Buff for Brouwer swap could work out.
Ditto for CNS
ps.
I’m glad to pinch-hit whenever you guys overexert yourselves with the drinking or generally feel too brain-dead to mash on your keyboards … having something to do soothes my insomnia.
Pronger is a donkey
The power play is still f**king clown shoes
Everybody...HIT SOMEBODY! ~ the Chicago Rush are back!
Here's the pic...
"Everything I know about life, I learned from my father watching the Blackhawks. It can all be summed up in 2 words, 2 simple words that ring over and over in my memory. Detroit Sucks!!! Detroit Sucks!!!"
by DetroitSucks! on Jun 3, 2010 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Brouwer & Buff
I posted the regular season stats, but in case anyone was wondering about the playoffs (I don’t have the TOI data yet, so take these with a bag of salt):
m+/- Toews Kane Sharp Hossa
Byfuglien -2 -3 -3 -2
Brouwer -1 -3 +5 +5
mCorsi Toews Kane Sharp Hossa
Byfuglien +45 +57 +20 +22
Brouwer -4 -5 +14 +7
also
QoC might have some effect on Corsi numbers. Buff likely had softer matchups than Brouwer for most of the season.
by gmh on Jun 3, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, probably
And the effect is ridiculous on checking lines (either that or Bolland is our worst player with a 82 for the playoffs). Fun fact - Niemi (approx. the whole team) is a +1 for the playoffs in Corsi.
Of course, I’ve already stated my reasons for losing faith in Corsi altogether…
its a funny relationship between Hockey and Stats
Hossa's Attorney says:
TAKE OFF THOSE CLOWN SHOES OR I WILL SHOOT THIS DOG!
by BigCSouthside on Jun 3, 2010 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
What are these numbers?
Is this 5on5 only or including Power Play and Power Kill?
Brouwer really hasn’t played with Toews and Kane since the beginning of the playoffs. You have the whole getting over his family problems thing going on there.
Buf’s positive 5on5 numbers were primarily from the Sharks series. Not sure when he has even played with Sharp or Hossa, though.
Like I said -- bag of salt
I know that that these are affected by Brouwer’s issues and Buff on D for a little bit. That’s why we didn’t do this matchup before.
As for the numbers; +/- is defined to be based on even-strength but includes shorthanded goals, while Corsi is even-strength only.
clearly
another victim of confirmation bias. Time to nut up and listen to the almighty numbers.
Gentlemen! I have invented...this thing!
This is why my good friend, and mentor, Tom Waddle
is a big believer in the “eye test”
Ditto for CNS
I may be wrong
but I believe Buff earned most of his minuses during the Nashville series where he was a 4 while playing defense. So I’m not sure how much you can rely on Buff’s +/, unless you take it from the Vancouver series going forward.
by EamusCatuli23 on Jun 4, 2010 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions
wow, not sure how that strike through happened
but it says he was a 4 while playing defense, so I’m not sure how much you can rely on Buff’s +/
by EamusCatuli23 on Jun 4, 2010 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I give up
Ok, stupid minus signs both end make a strike through happen, it should say MINUS 4 and +/-. The preview button is my friend.
by EamusCatuli23 on Jun 4, 2010 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions
"a 17-year-old trying to fingerbang with oven mitts on"
1. It’s incisive, detailed hockey analysis such as this which brings me to this site again and again.
2. If we can’t teach our kids basic skills we will surely be an empire in decline.
by flyersfaninchicago on Jun 3, 2010 8:11 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
well if you want to be that "one flyers fan in the SCH crowd"
consider coming to BL on friday
by puppetmasterp on Jun 3, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I see nothing but violence coming from this
Hossa's Attorney says:
TAKE OFF THOSE CLOWN SHOES OR I WILL SHOOT THIS DOG!
by BigCSouthside on Jun 3, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
yes, but i tend to incite violence when i can
as evidenced by my threats to spill blood over the calendar bullshit in the other thread.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 3, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
This is the image I have of you in my head right now
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
LOL
it would look great
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
now you have the avatar to back up your threats
I would say it looks cute, but that would defeat it’s purpose.
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
Pretty good avatar. Calendar photo, not so much.
I’m honored by the invitation but much as I enjoy wading into enemy territory I am heading to Philly tomorrow. I’m told by a friend that I have a ticket for either Game 4 or Game 6 (apparently his wife for some reason can’t go to both but can’t decide which one to give up). If it’s tomorrow I’ll insist on a BL rain check for Game 5. I’ll leave my Bobby Clarke jersey at home.
by flyersfaninchicago on Jun 3, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
nice
have fun! (not too much fun though…the Hawks still need to win….)
by puppetmasterp on Jun 3, 2010 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
You know you should lighten up just a tad (but no more)
I’m here for the hockey and I made some jokes about that calendar. If you make a big deal about it someone (not me) is going to do it. If you just let it go, it will go. It was funny and lighthearted conversation. I’m done.
You do realize that noone is threatened by you right?
Chewing gum?
"Alex didn't cause Campbell's injury, the boards did."
are you being serious?
b/c you know i’m not right? Unless the sarcasm has gotten pushed to the point where i just can’t tell…now THAT is worth noting. I’m 5 feet tall, of course i don’t threaten anyone. That’s why i love the internet, is so perfect for making semi-anonymous empty threats.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 3, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
It's the size of the fight in the Hawk
by flyersfaninchicago on Jun 3, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
i apologize to all or being so needlessly belligerent. far be it from me to kill a good racy-calendar joke.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 3, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I knew you were kidding
We were all having fun with that. I think little Stevie Laaarmer wasn’t paying attention when he responded. last.
it that case, i take back my apology
FUCK ALL OF YOU!!!! YOU CAN ALL GO TO HELL!!!!!
whew! sooooo much better…..
by puppetmasterp on Jun 4, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Mind your own fucking business
Fucking badgers. Fuck you bucky!
Chewing gum?
"Alex didn't cause Campbell's injury, the boards did."
Most of my HS buddies went to Wisconsin
I was the sole Spartan.
I road tripped from EL to Madison for a game in 1985. I think there was 10 inches of snow that day. Lorenzo white torched the Badgers for 1,000 yards in that game.
I bought a “fuck em Bucky” shirt while I was there.
My mom never liked it.
Chewing gum?
"Alex didn't cause Campbell's injury, the boards did."
at least 1,000
I cout all the yards, not just the actual yards. They run sideways sometimes.
Chewing gum?
"Alex didn't cause Campbell's injury, the boards did."
by laaarmer on Jun 4, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
you may be grumpy,
but you’re a funny grump.
by Katherine215 on Jun 4, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Belligerance is never needless
I’m only serious here about hockey. Everything else is just not very important
Chewing gum?
"Alex didn't cause Campbell's injury, the boards did."
oh good, i was scared there for a sec
that seriousness was getting in the way of the usual asshattery
by puppetmasterp on Jun 4, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
People, people
it’s a hockey blog we are on here. Noone is threatened by anyone, unless they are threatened. Nobody said they were coming to my house to kill me (unless I missed that part), and if they are, well then come on.
Anyway, the Hawks lost in OT last game so everyone just wipe the slbber off your face and get ready for the next hockey game
Chewing gum?
"Alex didn't cause Campbell's injury, the boards did."
of course no one's coming to your house
because we’re having the duel in Indiana, halfway between IL and MI. I pick the site, you pick the weapons. BigC explained it all below, and he might even moderate it i think.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 4, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Gary
Michael Jackson’s house. Right after the game. I’m bringing some King Cobra.
Chewing gum?
"Alex didn't cause Campbell's injury, the boards did."
Oh I pick the weapons.
Rubber bands and paper clips
Chewing gum?
"Alex didn't cause Campbell's injury, the boards did."
done and done
i’m just glad you didn’t pick the monty python dead fish. I’m sure Ahnire will be willing to be my second. If not, then my next choice is KtG and her hooker boots.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 4, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm soaking my paper clips in deer fence liquid right now
Chewing gum?
"Alex didn't cause Campbell's injury, the boards did."
i'm treating mine
with my aunt’s homemade red-chile curry paste…that shit burns on contact, and will errode the inside of your nostrils as well.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 4, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I do not intend to spend my afternoon reading the Geneva Conventions provisions
on chemical warfare
Confusion will be my epitaph.
that's kind of awesome
i feel so much pride in my people
by puppetmasterp on Jun 4, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, what DO they do anyway? BigC, where’s that dueling rulebook of yours?
by puppetmasterp on Jun 4, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
depends
Each party would name a trusted representative (a second) who would, between them, determine a suitable “field of honour.” It was also the duty of each party’s second to check that the weapons were equal and that the duel was fair. In the 16th and early 17th centuries, it was normal practice for the seconds as well as the principals to fight each other. Later the seconds’ role became more specific, to make sure the rules were followed and to try to achieve reconciliation, but as late as 1777 the Irish code still allowed the seconds an option to exchange shots.
so I have to retreat from my prior assertion
latter day seconds don’t fight – only paleo-seconds fought
Confusion will be my epitaph.
but just in case you didn't think i was joking
never take anything i say seriously. EVER. that would be utterly silly.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 3, 2010 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
fuck it
pistols at dawn, it is the only way…..
Hossa's Attorney says:
TAKE OFF THOSE CLOWN SHOES OR I WILL SHOOT THIS DOG!
by BigCSouthside on Jun 3, 2010 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
fine
who’s providing the guns and ammo?
by puppetmasterp on Jun 3, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
according to the laws of dueling
as the issuer of the challenge you pick the location, and your opponent choses the weapon
Hossa's Attorney says:
TAKE OFF THOSE CLOWN SHOES OR I WILL SHOOT THIS DOG!
by BigCSouthside on Jun 3, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
the things i learn here......
excuse me while i go scout locations (which im assuming would have to be in Indiana to be an adequate half-way point).
by puppetmasterp on Jun 3, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
dueling was never allowed in Illinois
so yes, Indiana would be a suitable place
Hossa's Attorney says:
TAKE OFF THOSE CLOWN SHOES OR I WILL SHOOT THIS DOG!
by BigCSouthside on Jun 3, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting historical side note
Lincoln was challenged to a duel, and chose Cavalry Sabres as the weapons since he had a longer reach. His opponent, seeing how absolutely ridiculous the duel would be, called it off, and they remained friends until Lincoln died
Hossa's Attorney says:
TAKE OFF THOSE CLOWN SHOES OR I WILL SHOOT THIS DOG!
by BigCSouthside on Jun 3, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
who was the friend?
not that i’ll remember if you tell me anyway, but at least it’ll be captured on SCH archives for all of eternity.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 3, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
James Sheilds
Hossa's Attorney says:
TAKE OFF THOSE CLOWN SHOES OR I WILL SHOOT THIS DOG!
by BigCSouthside on Jun 3, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I think so
probably not the same dude though
Hossa's Attorney says:
TAKE OFF THOSE CLOWN SHOES OR I WILL SHOOT THIS DOG!
by BigCSouthside on Jun 3, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
If I'm not mistaken
the cross street at 35th Street (now known as Honorary Bill Veeck Dr.) was named for Mr. Shields.
teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.
Lemme fix that confusing wording:
The cross street for 35th St where Sox Park is located — as in 35th & Shields (now Bill Veeck Dr.) — was named for the James Shields BigC identified.
teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.
now that is a cool story
classic Lincoin. If I was Bill or Ted, I’d definitely party with that dude.
Gentlemen! I have invented...this thing!
Actually, I believe
this would be the proper form of dueling for SCH.
teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.
dude
you are one edgy fucker the last few days.
You go to bed lookin’ for a scrap, you wake up lookin’ for a scrap.
I like it.
Gentlemen! I have invented...this thing!
Stanley cup finals man
I’m living the dream right now. If I didn’t have hardwood, I’d lace em up during the games. I just might wear my helmet tonight.
Chewing gum?
"Alex didn't cause Campbell's injury, the boards did."
You should wear your gloves
they might make a commercial out of you trying to pick up the tonic bottle (you’re drinking tonic now, right?).
by Katherine215 on Jun 4, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Someone tries to interrupt you during the game
and you drop the gloves!
teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.
They really do smell bad though
Also, they are red. I don’t know what I was thinking when I bought them. It must have been price, because they are ugly red Easton gloves
Chewing gum?
"Alex didn't cause Campbell's injury, the boards did."
what, you wanted Flyer orange instead?
Red is good!
by Katherine215 on Jun 4, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Wings wear red gloves
I make up for by wearing Hawks red socks
I actually found a pair of Hawks pants for sale for only $60.00. Taklas with the stripes on the side. My size. Couldn’t buy them, b/c my current pants are still good and well I like my marriage.
Chewing gum?
"Alex didn't cause Campbell's injury, the boards did."
I'm out of the beer leagues, too old and not conditioned
These younger guys are taking it way too seriously, and I don’t want to go to jail or get hurt and not be able to work so us coaches have an “adult clinic”. It’s an hour and a half long. We drill (mostly drills for the kids that we want to run) and then we scrimmage eachother for about an hour. Our ACE director runs the thing for us. #24 for Grand Rapids Griffins is retired. Travis Richards. ’92 olympian. Awesome coach. We have a lot of fun and the beer is great afterwards
Chewing gum?
"Alex didn't cause Campbell's injury, the boards did."
To answer your actual question
The Edge in Holland, MI
Same owners as The Edge in Bensenville
Chewing gum?
"Alex didn't cause Campbell's injury, the boards did."
I'm looking for a "rental group"
the same set of guys, getting a set block of ice weekly for scrimmages
the basic rat hockey/beer league concept – but with a small set pool of guys (with the psychos weeded out and everyone undertanding what ‘no check’ means and doesn’t mean). I did that for about 8 years
Confusion will be my epitaph.
We have an over 40 laegue that is similar to that
Teams are drafted each session, so mostly guys rotate and no team is “dynasty”. Rough play is immediate removal and if it’s twice you are done. This is the only league I would play in, but with the coaching and managing of one kids team, and the Travel for the tier 2 kid, My wife will be unhappy if I go to the rink 2 more times per week.
Pick your battles, eh?
Chewing gum?
"Alex didn't cause Campbell's injury, the boards did."
Our group was similar - but smaller
we showed up for our ice slot and “cut the cards” as we checked in (to determine if you wore white or red that night)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
c'mon
based on the kids’ schedues alone, ya gotta be at the rink 5 times a week, right?
Gentlemen! I have invented...this thing!
At least
Last two years they were on the same team. This year I’m not so lucky. 4 practices, two power skates, and if they both have tournaments on a weekend up to 10 games.
It’s gonna be brutal. It’s the most fun I have ever had though.
"Grumpy Fuck"
Ohhh
you guys are forcing me to recall some great times. Used to play in 2 ice and 1 inline league and coaching my son’s team. Hockey 4-5 nights a week. That was over 10 years ago. Turned 42 then finally had to give it all up after the 2nd hockey related surgery.
Now I golf. Sheet. Sonovbeech.
Thanks for the memories.
by chefofthefuture on Jun 4, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Golf? White.
Hockey? Koho Red/White/Blue.
by chefofthefuture on Jun 4, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I generally sported Montreal patterned red/white/blue
Coopers, then Jofas
But I had a lot of pairs of gloves.
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Way back in the day,
I actually had a pair of Rawlings. Color: yep, baseball glove tan. Got them on Maxwell St. $12. But they were the first pair I actually paid for myself with my paper route money.
by chefofthefuture on Jun 4, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I set that up for about 10 years
The worst part was collecting money from some of the guys, getting people to show up at 6am, and getting goalies to show up even though I never charged them. It was very frustrating. Then I blew out my knee 5 years ago playing racquet ball and that ended my hockey career too.
It was a joke, krome.
Wings are golfing, so anything red is good in my book.
by Katherine215 on Jun 4, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
sadly, I'm not much of a fashionista. :(
by Katherine215 on Jun 4, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, she has enough clothing for both of us
unfortunately, we’re not the same size so I can’t take advantage.
by Katherine215 on Jun 4, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Do I sense some disappointment?
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
by shinkicker on Jun 4, 2010 12:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
not from me
I grew up with sisters, I saw far more girlfights than I ever wanted to see (and fail to see the allure to begin with)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
now, it's not a big deal
and there’s only a few things I can borrow.
when we were younger, she stole a few of my things a time or two. Blood was shed.
by Katherine215 on Jun 4, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
You can dye/color leather - if they're leather
I got some overstock NHL custom gloves once apon a time – Nordiques baby blue, they colored a pretty respectable navy blue quite easily (and without too much mess)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Why yes, it is time for my tonic
Chewing gum?
"Alex didn't cause Campbell's injury, the boards did."
i get so confused when i go away for a few hours
first it was a calendar, now we’re talking about a duel?
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Jun 4, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
something about who gets to be the centerfold, or something
I’m a little fuzzy on that
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Changes are a reoccurring theme in the playoffs.
After winning 10 out of 11 it’s hard to start pointing fingers and start reinventing the wheel. Afterall, nothing really looks out of sorts other than Sopel seems to have Q thinking he’s the second coming of Brad Park – which he’s not. Campbell needs to play more as I’m sure Scotty “Hello, I’m here to make an appearance” Bowman has already told Q and thus it will happen Friday.
The Brouwer and Byfuglien switch looks inevitable. Let’s see how that pans out.
Last night CBC interviewed Dale Tallon, who was at the game, and it appeared to me that although he was ecstatic about the ’Hawks chances of winning the Cup a part of him, and justifiably so, still seems bitter about what and how everything went down this summer. Great guy. Wonder if Dale and Scotty shared a few words last night?
2010 PLAYOFFS: STANLEY CUP FINALS
HOSSA'S REVENGE: Will the 3rd time be the first time Hossa hoists Lord Stanley's chalice?
the conversation probably went something like this
Scotty : Thanks for building my team
Dale: Suck ass and die
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
by stacie7 on Jun 3, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
and it continued with
Scotty: Like my trade for Johnsson?
Dale: Who?
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
by ccm on Jun 3, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
followed by
Scotty: You know the Dead Guy we got for a First Round draft guy!
Dale: I’ll be sure to call you!
ART.I§8-11; AM I-XXVII
James Madison is my Hero!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 3, 2010 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I like everything you said.
But that’s just me
Chewing gum?
"Alex didn't cause Campbell's injury, the boards did."
Well, watching Q's interview today, he doesn't seem too worried.
And that worries me. Honestly, we’ve been getting dominated pretty hard out there for a huge chunk of most games and being up 2-1 shouldn’t make anybody, fans or players, happy. We drop Friday’s game and that 2-0 lead after 2 is insignificant.
It seems like Q won’t be moving Buff or anyone for that matter. The only possible change I can see him making is tossing Ladd back in the line-up if he’s ready to go. Q even said Buff has been playing well which I completely disagree with. He really hasn’t done much all series and has probably hurt us more than anything, with the stupid penalties in game 3. Just because he’s been good against Vancouver and San Jose doesn’t mean he should be kept on the top line expecting to produce at the same level.
Should he look worried for the media?
I would feel worse if he did. You can’t let the Flyers think we are running scared (and we aren’t). He has every reason to be confident and you know there will be a couple of line changes by tomorrow night.
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
idk
I think have someone to an “OMG!!! OMG!!! WE’RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!” press conference might be nice. just for a change of pace from this “composure” crap.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 3, 2010 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I could see Burish doing it as a joke
Captain could never pull it off
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
I actually get really depressed
whenever Toews gives a sad interview.
by gmh on Jun 3, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Depressing yes
But Captain Serious earned that nickname (as you wrote). When Captain Serious gets angry, little bunnies start dying!
ART.I§8-11; AM I-XXVII
James Madison is my Hero!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 3, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
SI Article
ART.I§8-11; AM I-XXVII
James Madison is my Hero!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 3, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
He shouldn't look worried
I guess I was more thrown back by the fact that he’s happy with how the team has played. There were several turnovers last night and horrid clearing attempts (at least one of which resulted in a goal if I remember correctly). He’s not addressing the obvious problems.
Hopefully he’s just keeping mum for the media and has already talked to the boys about tightening up their game.
by Ban on Jun 3, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I keep thinking
Damn we are playing like crap and have won two (almost three) games. Just think what would happen if they all decided to bring their A game again.
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
My concern
is we are bringing our A game and their game plan against it is working.
don't tell me I have a pessimist on my hands
you’ll give yourself a heart attack or a stroke that way
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
A game? seriously?
Our faceoffs? Our power play? Our penalty kill?
That’s our A game for those segments? Ohh I fear for our chances now.
Perhaps you could take a nap and not get so depressed about one game.
by northernsails on Jun 3, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Toews had a good quote
I posted it in the other thread but he basically identified the zone clearing problem and said they had to be better about recognizing how much time they had.
I suspect
that Q is one of those coaches that is never truly happy with how his team plays. He seems the type to analyze everything to death. I also suspect his comments to the media are meant for the media (and any morons in the Philly Organization dumb enough to listen/read them) and not the team.
by runningquicklynowhere on Jun 3, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm a newbie
Hi folks. I’m worried. Buff isn’t getting it done imo. Toews looked better but has been basically a non-factor and if you guys come to Vegas I’ll buy ya a beer.
Welcome
Try not to worry yet. We are still up a game. Lots of hockey to be played.
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
I'm trying not to.
Actually I think we looked sharper last night than at home. Bad break with Hendry but I know he was just trying to make a play. I still think we should be playing our game instead of falling into the trap of trying to outhit them. Let em’ play their perceived tough guy bullshit. We’re getting out of our game I think.
Nothing is fucked here dude
Hossa's Attorney says:
TAKE OFF THOSE CLOWN SHOES OR I WILL SHOOT THIS DOG!
by BigCSouthside on Jun 3, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
calmer than you are dude,
calmer than you are
Hossa's Attorney says:
TAKE OFF THOSE CLOWN SHOES OR I WILL SHOOT THIS DOG!
by BigCSouthside on Jun 3, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Fuckin reccd
this was all i could think of after reading all the blogs, news, people who know nothing at all about hockey pretending they do now, really ties my feelings together here
Not a lot of players do get it done against the gap toothed guy
He is a great hockey player. I think he could be beaten with speed. Certainly you are not bothering him by playing his game. Buff is nowhere near the player #20 for the flyers is.
Chewing gum?
"Alex didn't cause Campbell's injury, the boards did."
My eye test says
Pronger and Hossa continue to be the dominant players in this series- except that Hossa has been under a fuckin’ microscope going back to Vancouver. He can’t look sideways at someone on the backcheck without landing hisself in the box. w. t. f?
Semi-related- PP clown shoes not too surprising. Philly has a very good PK. When #20douchebag goes in the box, though, we gotta fuckin’ capitalize right now!
Gentlemen! I have invented...this thing!
I would like to see
Hossa shooting (SHHOOOOOOOT!) more. He has been masterful to watch this series (and entire playoffs..this man is a beast) but I must say I am missing the Hossa who will wind up from 15 ft like he did against the Sens earlier in the year and just overpower the netminder. He has been our best player all series and I would like to see him steal the spotlight from that big dickhead #20.
Make that pea-brain spastic child of a coach over on the other bench actually fucking coach a bit and get Buff off the top pair. Brouwer all night tonight and we will begin to see the pronger that chases his tail and gets abused like he did against the Hawks during the regular season last year.
BL should be epic tonight. looking forward to it.
"...can i have a glass of whiskey and a slice of bread?"
by west_fulton on Jun 4, 2010 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
“The way to make that type of forecheck pay is to make it miss and transition quickly the other way while its caught deep – now which of those two blueliners have doing so when the team’s in need of a goal? Think about it. But I highly doubt Q stops grabbing for his binky any time soon.”
Mmmmhm. That about sums up my feelings on Sopel. Love him, but for God’s sake, move that puck.
Buff does need to leave that top line. He’s not the only one who’s put up numbers with Daydream Nation, we all know that. And like you said – make Philly decide who Pronger skates against – Buff with Shooter and Marian, or Daydream Nation. Either way, it’s a win for the other line.
Kane-Toews-Brouwer
Byfuglien-Sharp-Hossa
Versteeg-Bolland-Ladd
Eager-Madden-Kopecky
Good stuff, McClure
Yeah, it’s weird . . . to be advocating line shuffling. Be careful what you ask for.
But, this team plays best under pressure. No reason to doubt them now. Refs aren’t calling Pronger because Buff elicits little sympathy . . . he’s so big.
Also, I’d like to recommend Aphex Twin (Richard D. James) for beard of the day.
Until tomorrow,
It looks like they've exorcized their dragons.
Fratelli coming to Chicago
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
You gamblers.
Why would the odds for tomorrow (-110 P / +100 BH) be less in Phil’s favor than last night (-120 P / +105 BH)?
Seems odd, after a loss.
"....we have to find a way to win. And good teams do that."
Tomas Kopecky May 29, 2010
Odds are about keeping the bets even on both sides.
They have nothing further to do with expected outcomes of games.
watch me rip up your prize tulips with my bare hands!
you grumpy old fuck!
by puppetmasterp on Jun 4, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
but people put their money on games based upon some sense of outcome
leaving aside some small contingent of ‘fan boy’ bettors going with sentiment.
Confusion will be my epitaph.
I appreciate that,
but I’m surprised there’s more money bet on the Hawks in this game than Wednesday’s.
"....we have to find a way to win. And good teams do that."
Tomas Kopecky May 29, 2010
So...
I didn’t read the comments. Just a quick blurb before I go to bed…
Is anyone else still in the mindset that the hawks (shouldn’t) lose the series? Last night, in my opinion, the majority of the team played like ass. Niemi was a bit off, Sharpie was god awful. The entire defense had their thumbs up their butts with the puck, buff was back to being useless, etc etc. Yet… if coach Q didn’t fucking murder them in OT, the hawks may have stolen this game. If the hawks can play that badly, yet minus a coaching issue, come that close to winning… I can’t see how they could possibly lose this series unless something happens.
c/d?
Anything can happen
We’re the better team on paper and we should win, but anything can happen even in a best of 7 and anything can change the outcome of a game. One stupid penalty, one giveaway, one takeaway, one BS call by the refs.
My problem with all that you said is that the Hawks don’t always play like they did in OT, and that can cost them.
Sopel needs his minutes cut down
we only need two more wins to end this season, let Campbell out
He should be suspended. That is a flat-out, absolute disgrace to the umpiring profession, what this guy has been doing. West doesn’t care. -Hawk
Because he’s a f—-ing a—hole, that’s what he is. - Ozzie
Anyone think Campbell might be injured?
I personally thought he played like shit the last couple of games though, even though the general consensus around here seems to be that he had a solid game or two, so that’s my reason for it. Just wondering what the rest of you think the cause of his decreased playing time is if it’s not his play.
this
it is the only logical reason I can see for all the ice time Sopel is getting
by runningquicklynowhere on Jun 3, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
i said this
some time ago but that got shot down. now it looks more and more like that is the case.
by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Jun 4, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
i sure hope not
i’d rather chalk it up to Q having one of his short term less-than-lucid moments that he will (he had better) soon snap out of, rather than actual injury to Soupy.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 4, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
If he isn't injured.
Q isn’t coaching like he has all year. He’s playing safe and not trying to utterly destroy the Flyers. Playing D for the entire 3rd period of game 2? Yeah, somethings up. With Q, you just don’t know what he was trying to do until it’s all done and over with.
by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Jun 4, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Chicago sports media?
I’m starting to really like this guy — most of what he writes has been spot-on. It’s also strangely similar to, well, everything I read on SCH…
http://www.csnchicago.com/06/03/10/Hawk-Talk-Half-empty-or-half-full/landing.html?blockID=246773&feedID=625
This is the same guy
who busted out that “clown car” reference a couple days ago… makes you wonder, doesn’t it? I mean, I like that it’s better than anything else I read outside of SCH, but…
Time to get my detective kit out
and figure out which one of you is secretly a comcast reporter…I’d prefer that to an article stealer.
by blackhawkeyes on Jun 4, 2010 2:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Look I even found you a patch
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
haha!
I should definitely get one! Although I don’t want to blow my PI cover, and I think a patch would just put my intimidation factor over the top…
by blackhawkeyes on Jun 4, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Have we found the last bastion of competency in our major sports media converage?
Who IS this guy?? Nice article, and thanks for the link. I especially like this part -
Yes, it’s all the rage to point out that the Flyers "are back in it" ad nauseam. Well, sure, in that they’re not down 3-0, the Flyers are back in it.This, along with the rest of the article, is especially refreshing to read from a major sports news analyst/journalist/whatever from a network one wouldn’t assume would have the most level headed objectivity in its reporting.
Truth be told, I was hesitant to even turn on NHL on The Fly today for fear of exposure to hot garbage being spewed through my screen regarding The Flyers being “back in it against all odds”, and how The Cup Finals have essentially become The Chirs Pronger Show since Chris Pronger is the end-all-be-all to superstar hockey athletics even tho he STILL is a dirty prick and that not one of these “experts” or even the officiating for that matter has the balls to call him out on it (I mean he fucking STOMPED ON A GUY with his SKATE for Christ’s sake!). Well, as it was my fears were confirmed & it resulted in all three talking heads at the table picking PHI to win tomorrow. Ugh …
I know it’s ridiculous to put any stock into the predictions of “experts” paid to say things more extreme & gripping than moderate & objective (Really NBC? Q changed his D pairings around in Game 2 because Dan Carcillo was in the lineup?? Um, have you been huffing paint again, Pierre? Be honest), and as frustrating as it is to not have our Hawks get the much deserved press that they should (ie the linked article above) regarding their success that has gotten them to where they are (UP 2-1 and only losing their FIRST GAME IN 8 PLAYED!), if I were in that locker room, I’d say “Fuck it, dude. Lets go bowling”.
This Blackhawks team knows how to win in practically any situation because of how they play their game. So I say unto you Men of Four Feathers, go out and play your game and let the national media write you off. What else do you have to loose? Let us all breathe a sigh of sanity as we remember that the pressure is STILL on Philly or this series becomes less open than every Philly leaning “expert” wants to harp on about, and thats no matter how much shit Chris Pronger wants to do or say to distract everybody from that fact.
PS – Sorry for the length everybody, but I had to get it out PLUS the link VerStig has up is really worth reading (no offense gmh, your recap was tip-top, but I expect that here).
LETS GO HAWKS!!!!!!
it is
I agree on the “coincidence” in the tone and perspective between the two pieces. I hope this guy doesn’t make it a habit of lifting his observations from others. maybe gmh is his muse who knows? I mainly just appreciate how a major sports network (can i call Comcast that? im not sure) can give a sane, level headed observation than the usual sensationalism that is passed around like so much bread.
Yeah
I’m not saying that he blatantly copied or anything. I just found it odd that after discussing these points for a day, I see an article that contains these same points.
But like I said, I am starting to like this guy; a welcome relief from most of the other outlets.
I figure gmh would look more kindly on this
if the guy was splitting his check with her (or signing it over entirely?)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
by krome on Jun 4, 2010 7:19 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
"Q changed his D pairings around in Game 2 because Dan Carcillo was in the lineup??"
The one who keeps saying this is Eddie O. I’m kind of surprised he hasn’t figured out that Q is putting 72 against the other line because they were the more dangerous scoring line. I don’t think Q is afraid of Carcillo at all.
I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.
I don't know about you
But I’m not too scared of a guy who gets a whopping 0 minutes in the last half of the game. If Q taylors any part of his game plan around Carcillo being in the building, we are more screwed than 20 sheets of drywall.
I'm not superstitious. I'm just a little stitious.
I don't understand why anyone cares what Carcillo does
I don’t understand why NBC devoted their Game 2 coverage to him. I can’t imagine Quenneville thinks of him other than for a good laugh.
Maybe Laviolette is playing him so that he’s a distraction. Some people in the press think that Pronger’s post-game treasure hunts were a distraction. If so, then Carcillo must be more of one because what he does is even more silly.
Can’t really imagine the Hawks are thrown off their game by this but every other explanation makes even less sense.
by flyersfaninchicago on Jun 4, 2010 2:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Well in a sense, he did move 72 because of carcillo
But because Carcillo makes them LESS scary, not more.
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
by shinkicker on Jun 4, 2010 7:32 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Edzo
was on 670 the other day saying that exactly. Get 72 against the more dangerous line which has clearly been Briere’s. Pierre was the one I heard going on and on and on about Q trying to protect 72 from carcillo. i thought it was hilarious. “Protect” 72 and throw that guy with his collarbone attached by a piece of string out there against him…. makes perfect sense
"...can i have a glass of whiskey and a slice of bread?"
That's how you know it was stupid,
PM said it.
teaching respect for the Indian, one Red Wing fan at a time.
"The Chirs Pronger Show"
It’s sometimes nice to get an outside perspective of a game and series but most of those shows on NHL network and VS are horrible. All they are are paid mouths and it’s their job to stir the pot or in fact say nothing of value at all and just babble about things that aren’t actually happening. Also, the last people I want to hear about are Pronger and Carcillo, Pronger still plays decent hockey but is still a thug and Carcillo is just Carcillo, nothing much there but a journeyman minor leaguer who gets paid to be in the NHL because he’s a madman and can stir things up now and then.
CSN's had him for at least this season.
He did some writing for NHL.com last year; I remember this because he wrote an article that so incensed me I was forced to create an NHL.com username and password so I could tell him what a fucking awful article I thought he’d written. I believe it was on Huet.
He’s very much a homer for his favorite players in my mind. He has some interesting color stories but I’m not a huge fan. And he totally stole gmh’s entire recap and all of the ideas floating here.
Hey its almost tomorrow here
Which almost means that Game 4 is today!
Things are starting to brighten up now!
ART.I§8-11; AM I-XXVII
James Madison is my Hero!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 3, 2010 10:47 PM CDT reply actions
as long as the hawks go in Viking style tomorrow
and kill and burn everything and then enslave any survivors
Hossa's Attorney says:
TAKE OFF THOSE CLOWN SHOES OR I WILL SHOOT THIS DOG!
by BigCSouthside on Jun 3, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
"enslave any survivors"
“Women and children first!!”
…Wait a second…
by northernsails on Jun 4, 2010 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm all for a viking funeral for Pronger.
Toss him on a pile of sticks and let it burn.
I'm not superstitious. I'm just a little stitious.
Let me check.
//takes pulse, feels 20 bpm rise
Yup, It’s gameday.
I'm not superstitious. I'm just a little stitious.
Completely OT but needs to be said
I want to cave the 5 hour energy guys face in with a jack hammer
and now back to your regularly scheduled programming
Hossa's Attorney says:
TAKE OFF THOSE CLOWN SHOES OR I WILL SHOOT THIS DOG!
That "you know what 2:30 feels like" guy
I loathe him too
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Jun 4, 2010 2:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Brouwer on the Top Line
I’d like to see this change and agree that Buff is out of his element against Pronger. Buff is a decent player and he worked magic in the VC and Sharks series but has not faired so well against the Flyers so far. Moving him down could force changes from the Flyers and possibly allow Buff to work his magic on a different line and also open up the Toews line to providing their own magic.
If Ladd can go get him out there. I want to see Soupy with more playing time as well.
Hope Nobody Is Hitting Panic Button
1. Wringing hands over bad line changes and Soupy vs. Sopel ice time is all well and good (and probably justified), but the big difference in this series has been the failure of the top line (Kane’s goal notwithstanding) not only to produce, but to play well defensively and give the Hawks the puck possession that feeds their style of game. Patience is a virtue here. Let’s not panic just because we’re not going to sweep.
2. Line shuffling this late in the process presents a host of uncertainties that might be better left in the “what if” column, although I certainly agree that if Ladd is available it probably merits some juggling on 2-4 lines and I’ve seen enough of Burish this series, thank you very much.
3. Let’s remember that by staying within themselves and playing their own style when it counted most, the Hawks were able to eke out an OT winner against Nashville when the series was tied 2/2, thanks in large part to a nice shot on goal by . . . Sopel (on which Hossa gathered up the rebound)
4. IMHO Hawks have made a mistake by trying to match Flyers’ physical game. Finishing checks is nice, but I do think some of our guys are taking themselves out of plays for the sake of finishing checks when they shouldn’t be.
Have at it/me.
Didn't I have a helmet when I came in here?
by Tomas (not Kopecky) on Jun 4, 2010 7:37 AM CDT reply actions
Not worried
I fully expect a top effort by the Hawks tonight. They’ve had 2 nights to fester about the loss,Pronger’s dickyness and the Buffalo Wild Wings refs.
My 3 wishes for tonight
1. Get 51 phantom and Ham sandwich back out there as the 2nd pairing.
2. Put Hoss on Toews line some.(the monster need to be on the ice).
3. Heal Ladd,Heel Burrish.
Is anybody sharing my concern
about the Hawks not having their “A” game for the past three games? It’s easy to say, yeah, they’re up 2-1 and they haven’t played their best. But when ARE they going to play their best? I am getting a little wary that the Hawks haven’t had their best because Philly has found a way to neutralize the Hawks best.
Not wanting to sound the alarm, but I must admit this is something that concerns me. On the other hand, if it’s true, then the Hawks don’t deserve it – Philly would have earned it.
"...about six feet from the moose's butt."
by The Fearless Freep on Jun 4, 2010 9:06 AM CDT reply actions
I'm not worried
Just because we haven’t brought the “A” game, doesn’t mean we are not capable. They have to play the full 60 starting tonight. If we see a repeat of the 3rd periods then there might be concern. I still trust Q to make the right moves and make sure the team is composed and ready to play. Lets just get excited, enjoy the ride because “this will not be easy….”.
Put together a solid game tonight, work hard, better passes, clear the zone and maybe we all will be in a better mode hungover on Sat
I find it interesting
how different people are interpreting what has gone on so far in this series. There seem to be two groups of people, those encouraged by the fact that the Hawks are up 2-1 having not yet played up to their potential and those that are discouraged by this same fact.
I understand your concern, but don’t share it. I think that the Hawks are too good to be held down. We figured out how to handle Nashville (who seemed to play the most similar style to Philly) and I think we will figure out how to consistently handle the pressure that Philly’s applies too.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
What worries me
Niemi has been very solid and spectacular at times and my worry is if the Hawks don’t bring their A game and Niemi has just a so-so performance then the Hawks could be in trouble.
I’m thrilled they’re up 2-1 at this point not having played their best. But I also fear they may rely to heavily on Nemo to stymie the Flyers when it should be up to the guys skating around doing that instead. I’d love to see one of those dominating performances we all were seeing earlier in the season, holding the opposition to 20/25 shots while the Hawks pepper Leighton with 35/40.
Tonight is certainly a pivotal game, for both teams, and if the Hawks come away with a victory I’d imagine they would be coming out for the kill on Sunday.
Let me fix that for you
I’d love to see one of those dominating performances we all were seeing earlier in the season, holding the opposition to20/250/1shotsgoals while the Hawkspepperperforate Leighton with35/405/50.
I'm not worryd
1. After three games, 2-1 Hawks sounds about right.
2. I gotta wonder how many of the last 800 comments would have been written had the Hawks won the other night.
3. In particular, “CLEAR THE FUCKIN’ PUCK!” is equivalent to “dump it out, allow Philly to regroup and attack again.” Not an unusual strategy, but not what the Hawks have done all year (kinda the opposite of puck posession.) No one seemed too pleased with this strategy in the 3rd period of Game 2.
4. Very physical Wednesday. About halfway thru, I thought: “Andrew Ladd would be nice.”
5. Deep offenses put pressure on 3rd d-pairings. The Hawks have done this to teams all year (Philly seriously shortening d-bench in response.) The Hawks are gettin’ a bit of their own medicine here. Fuckin’ pricktease Johnsson!
6. The Hawks should shoot more. Their game has changed subtly lately- they used to never get outshot. Stop waiting for the perfect play- shoot and crash the net. It’s fuckin’ Leighton!
7. The only 2-goal lead in the series was during the 2-1 game, and it didn’t last long. Some great hockey- both teams showing amazing resiliency.
8. Q- too matchy-uppy.
9. Shaping up to be a great series. All I ask is that the Hawks continue to bring a great effort.
Gentlemen! I have invented...this thing!
by cliffkoroll on Jun 4, 2010 9:11 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I would have written the same things I wrote Cliff
Small changes should be made but nothing drastic.
If Versteeg hits the net, and/or Toews and/or Kane hit the net and we don’t make two bad changes, Hawks are up 3-0. Yeah sound familiar? Like The Flyers trying to convince themselves that they should have won game 1 and 2?
Carter missed an open net and so did Richards.
If scoring goals was easy everyone would do it.
Play the same game with some minor personnel shuffles, wait for the stretch pass to be there (don’t force it), and shoot the puck while someone drive the net (not standing their in front) it’s all good
Chewing gum?
"Alex didn't cause Campbell's injury, the boards did."
Point #6 - Hawks should shoot more
Agreed, with one addition. The “crash the net, get traffic in front of Leighton” is the right move in some circumstances, but more important based on what I have seen is that that Leighton has now shown that he is very vulnerable on shots from the point or from between the circles. I’d like to see more shots from that area, and more focus on clearing shooting lanes from that area.
Didn't I have a helmet when I came in here?
by Tomas (not Kopecky) on Jun 4, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I like all of this
And, for whatever reason, I’m starting to take comfort whenever I see Cliff write: “I’m not worryd”. Its like a pacifier, and it decreases my stress level.
‽
those guys talk a lot of sense
when not making love to their models.
Gentlemen! I have invented...this thing!
A 3 goal lead would be a thing of beauty
For the hawks that is. Then play the physical game, and shove it up their oompa loompa’s
Chewing gum?
"Alex didn't cause Campbell's injury, the boards did."
Philly Turnaround or blind eye from the refs
5 vs 29..
What’s the point of regular season when the post season is a completely different game. Buff needs a flack jacket down low against Pronger.
Better he be 90+% healthy rather than
1. Hurt the team w/ a crappy game.
2. Risk reinjuring himself.
"....we have to find a way to win. And good teams do that."
Tomas Kopecky May 29, 2010
All of you who think it's (I'm ) too edgey these days
Quit being so sensitive. I’m not Pronger. Quit pissing me off too.
Chewing gum?
"Alex didn't cause Campbell's injury, the boards did."
Fuck off, I am just so totally and absolutely "not sensitive" it will make your head spin
I don’t know, the comment just seemed to scream for such a reply
Confusion will be my epitaph.
I think its more an observation
people are making. I don’t think people are being overly sensitive. Everyone likes you being here, including myself, but lately you really seem like, well, a grumpy fuck.
‽
I am a grumpy fuck
You just never realized it until now.
But I’ll calm down, if it makes you all feel better.
Chewing gum?
"Alex didn't cause Campbell's injury, the boards did."
well....now that we've got the who "grumpy fuck" thing cleared up
i think we all feel much better
by puppetmasterp on Jun 4, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
clearing that up takes so much pressure off of the rest of us candidates for that title
Confusion will be my epitaph.
I come from a long line of grumpy Irish and short tempered Italians
It’s a bad mix, but how much more fun can you have than with a grumpy irishman that looks Italian.
Chewing gum?
"Alex didn't cause Campbell's injury, the boards did."
What a horrible combination
I am cursed with the same thing.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
it would certainly do great wonders for my equilibrium
2 more Hawks’ victories in this SCF will be conclusively determinative of healing all
Confusion will be my epitaph.
No calming down
it’s game day. Keep the edge.
"Great story. Compelling, and rich." ~ Ron Burgundy
"...and Gary Cooper slides into second base with a stand up double." ~ Ralph Kiner
lol! No, no need to calm down for our benefit. I think we’re just concerned about your well-being…you know how they say stress is unhealthy and all.
‽
You try growing up in Chicago and winding up in Holland, MI
The things I do for my kids.
Chewing gum?
"Alex didn't cause Campbell's injury, the boards did."
umm I'm on record
as approving of your wild behavior. Keep it up.
Gentlemen! I have invented...this thing!
Not ecstatic that there will be a game 5, but...
If Sara is going to be as amusing as she was after game 2, it might be worth the price of admission… Antti’s doing his best “No Thanks” face.
by MrBeeg on Jun 4, 2010 11:45 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
this picture just screams for a "write the caption" contest, doesn't it?
maybe not
Confusion will be my epitaph.
A jewel in the rough from my Game 2 photos
It’s so awesome, but I don’t know what to do with it…
Hot Dog, you're ANNOYING!!!
Perhaps she'd enjoy one of Pronger's Creamy Dongers?
(from the pic at the top of the thread)
Hot Dog, you're ANNOYING!!!
the literal "tongue in cheek" thing
isn’t that the international sign for blowjob?
Gentlemen! I have invented...this thing!
by cliffkoroll on Jun 4, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
sure, but after enough of them, she's making that face in the backseat of some guy's car again
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Why are some letters written by Leonardo and others normal?
Something is not right here
"Grumpy Fuck"
Let's all be glad
this isn’t McGuire interviewing Crosby.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
I'm feeling pretty good
about tonight’s game. Drop the puck already!
I'm in Python mode and this sketch is hilarious
Naughteus Maximus and bigus dickus = Pronger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPGb4STRfKw&feature=related
"Grumpy Fuck"
Pronger has relatively small feet (size 9 skates) - maybe not Biggus Dickus after all
Confusion will be my epitaph.
ACTUALLY
It allows him to have a smaller rocker on the blade, which lets him have a tighter turning radius, as well as wear a lighter skate – it’s not necessarily small feet. Paul Coffey used to do the same thing
And I can empathize somewhat – I’m 6’5" and wear a 14 shoe, and go all the way down to an 11.5 skate.
It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.
Nah
They’re about 7 year old Grafs, who led the way in heat contouring the boots and these were one of the first of those style of any make to come out, so they were basically microwaved when I got them, and then I got my foot in there to have it molded nice and snugly. It also helps that Grafs accommodate my very high arches, so I was able to get the tightest fit possible.
It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame.
I wore CCM always, but I bought some Vapor XXV last year from Hockey Giant
best thing I ever did for skates
"Grumpy Fuck"
I've gone back to wearing the old "pump" Tacks - pumps in both tongue and ankle
I had the blades pulled and replaced with Tuuks, which are rockered with a short forwards arc but with a defenseman’s balance point
Confusion will be my epitaph.
I have a 9 1/2 shoe and a 7 skate - at 5'9"
The small rocker would indeed aid in manouverability but result in less straight out speed
But Pronger at 6’6" is 2 1/2 skate sizes down from you. I’m just sayin…
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Dunc kinda sounded like that immediately after Marleau lit the lamp in his mouth
Hot Dog, you're ANNOYING!!!
Power Play
My iPod broke so I’m sitting here trying to drown voices out and my head is about to asplode… but has anyone noticed that everyone (outside of here) is singing the praises of the Flyers PK after limiting us to 0-for-6? Yes, I know that they have a good PK, but first off, for something that you don’t expect to be much higher than 20% in the first place, how is 0/6 such a big deal? Even if you leave out any observations (like our horrible setup, way too much passing, etc.), just one PP goal would’ve made that a perfectly normal stat.
Also, I’m inches away from ripping on the idiot Philly fans (thankfully there are very few of them, but daggummit are they LOUD) who keep insulting our “entitled,” “clueless” etc. fanbase.
Guh.
I noticed it too
But paid it no attention, for the reason you said 0/6 is not really off average, really minus 1, not too much. I ignore those bully fans, they are tards.
ART.I§8-11; AM I-XXVII
James Madison is my Hero!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 4, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Ma'am
When it’s 2-1 who gives a shit what they say. they know more than us why? Because they suck as bad as we do for almost as long?
They sure do like to talk. They don’t have anything to talk about, but they like to talk.
"Grumpy Fuck"
a 2 for 2 PP game puts is at 25% and all of a sudden we're world beaters, eh?
the Philly fans clearly don’t know that we wear clown shoes on the PP to lull opponents into false confidence
Confusion will be my epitaph.
hate to be so blunt
but who cares what some idiotic Philly fan says. It’s clearly not an original talking point. It’s something that person(s) picked up elsewhere and parrot without really thinking about what they’re talking about.
If that’s what they want to waste their time talking about, so be it.
the ironic thing about accusing a fanbase of being entitled
is saying “they’re idiots for thinking they can sweep” and then following it up with “Flyers in 6” which, um. Means 4 wins in a row. Which is what a sweep also is. Which begs the question— where do you draw the line between entitled and confident? Is it entitled as soon as you enter the Illinois state borders and merely confident when you enter Pennsylvania’s? C’mon.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Jun 4, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
you are definitely entitled to your opinion
and I totally agree with your statement you confident lady
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
people who feel entitled are the kind of people who will accuse others of being entitled. Does that make sense?
Its called projecting.
Thinking that others think the same way you do. Most humans do it all the time.
confidence generally bears some semblance, more than tenuous, with reasonability
The fans there thinking Flyers in 7 – maybe confident
Those at Flyers in 6 (at this point) are bordering on the same level of delusional as the pre-series Hawks people predicting the 4 game sweep
Confusion will be my epitaph.
If someone is going to pick the Flyers
they really have to “in 6.” Would the Flyers really have a chance in a Game 7 in Ch’go?
To be clear, I have no problem with a fan if he thinks his team is winning the next four games
What I find weird is how that fan considers his behavior acceptable (either because he has faith in his team, he’s confident, whatever) but is quick to label that same behavior/belief as entitlement when he encounters it with fans of other teams.
It’s a little pot-meet-kettle-ish.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Jun 4, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I have no problem with a fan having these kinds of opinions of either team
I have a problem when they bring the fanbase into it. Like when they’re laughing at “oh, look at all those comments on SCH, Pronger’s getting into their heads now!!” Um, last I checked, none of us are dressing for the game.
Every fanbase has its meatheads. But to project that onto visiting fans is, well, what you said.
"Um, last I checked, none of us are dressing for the game."
thank fuck. we’d probably end up brandishing swords and talking about Mordor otherwise.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too."
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Jun 4, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
skating up and down the ice
screaming “Release the Hounds” and “To the Cliffs”
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield
I'd go "Bobby Clarke" Pronger's ankle and end up in a battle to the death with whatever orange jersey arrived first
and probably get monumentally Frazzled by him
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Flyers in 6
Are you kiddin’, that’s nothin’.
They have a blogger over there figuring out which Flyer is going to win the Conn Smythe Trophy.
Last night, NHL Network said Pronger for sure if PHL wins
They also insisted that Pierre isn’t a walking penis, so I don’t think I can believe them on anything now.
Hot Dog, you're ANNOYING!!!
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