Safe To Buy Your #4 Sweater - Blackhawks To Match Sharks Offer On Hjalmarsson
by Killion on Jul 12, 2010 2:23 PM CDT
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The Hawks announced today via twitter that they're going to be keeping Hammer as they'll match the Sharks offer on the young blueliner. We all expected this to happen but of course it's a relief to finally see it made official. The Hawks are now on the hook for the 4 year, $14Million deal.
Also announced on Twitter was that Stan Bowman doesn't see the Hammer/Niemi situation as an either/or thing. They're continuing to negotiate with the Finn and his agent and an arbitration date has been set for July 29th. The Hawks are of course free to ink Niemi to a deal beforehand but with the money now due to Hammer it's going to harder to find the cash. Rogers has said that there isn't much activity between Niemi and the Hawks so it's likely they'll just wait for their date at the end of the month.
I think it's pretty safe to say the Hawks will let Niemi find his money elsewhere. There are still several free agent goalies available (including Turco, who I think is the one Sam, McClure and I all want to see signed for a bonus-heavy one or two year deal.). St. Louis may have set the price for Niemi far higher than the Hawks can afford with the Halak deal.
One way or the other though - the Hawks are going to have to free up some money somewhere. According to Pierre LeBrun, he's hearing rumors that Campbell could be moved. I seriously doubt anyone would want to pick up his massive cap hit though - he'll likely be a Hawk for quite a while unless they can find some sucker to take his money or put him together as a very attractive package deal. In a fun little game of telephone, LeBrun also said Rogers thought Sharp could be on the move. Man-crushes aside, this simply can't happen. He's too good and too cheap. The Hawks can find someone with a low price tag to replace Ladd, Eager and Byfuglien... maybe even a new Versteeg. They're not going to find anything close to what Sharp can bring though.
So Hammer's getting paid and we're still on wait and see mode with Niemi. Carry on
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Now let's go Troll the Sharks site
…on second thought, better to let them stew in their own feces. Pathetic amateurs coming on to talk trash on a farking offer sheet?!!
As for Sharpie, Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo…….
As for Campbell’s contract, what’s Glen Sather doing these days?
Maybe a little Shark's Fin Soup wouldn't be all bad
Perhaps I’ll stir the pot a bit.
Well
There are still a few teams looking to hit the Cap floor. There are worse ways to do that than taking on Campbell…
Islanders…..I like the Campbell to Edmonton for Souray deal that I saw proposed somewhere…
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
All I'm going to say
is he has a NTC. Who the hell wants to go to Edmonton? And why do we want Souray?
by Katherine215 on Jul 12, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Souray is fragile
We all saw what happened to the team in March when Soupy was out. I’d think twice before moving him, regardless of the cap hit.
I'm not superstitious. I'm just a little stitious.
by AirTrafficAJ on Jul 12, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
If we sent someone else to Edmonton
at least Frazz wouldn’t be alone. Steeger will feel at home in Canada and everyone else went together to Atlanta. Frazz needs a buddy too.
How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?
only if he doesn't go to jail
How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?
i was thinking this
but i really wouldn’t want to wish this on poor Soupy. He deserves so much better…..
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
by puppetmasterp on Jul 12, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Something tells me teams looking to reach the floor
and the teams that’ll be on his 8 choices are mutually exclusive.
Who was talking trash?
I didn’t see it… if a Sharks’ fan was talking trash then go give ’em hell… but most of what I saw was fairly respectful.
I thought this might happen and I’m sure the Sharks did, too… They’ll move on… as will the Hawks, with a MUCH tighter cap situation.
…still… it will make it a bit more fun when the teams next meet.
(I wonder if we can finally win one, then?… you know… when it doesn’t really count as much.)
Cheers!
the fuckin' fratellis
Campbell on the move?
I’m hearing here in Ottawa (remember this is the place of ‘Malkin to the Kings’) that Sather has been lurking for a trade partner for Marc Staal (current RFA) and that he has shown interest in Brian Campbell (because Redden and Rosival have worked so well haven’t they?).
If this were to be true then the ’Hawks would be forced to take on the Brashear contract (that you could just put him on waivers and/or send him to hell if you like) and possibly a guy like Erik Christensen ($925,000 for the next 2 years).
Make note that this has to be the 4th different rumour I’ve heard in the last calendar year, so take it for what it’s worth.
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This cannot be true. If there was an inkling of truth to it Stand would have had the mob go convince Campbell to waive his NTC. There’s no way. Sather takes on Soupy’s 7 million to go along with Redden and Roszival? And Staal’s the one he gets rid of? Simply not possible, no matter what other ingredients are involved.
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It’s from Ottawa so it probably isn’t. The only reason I think it could be is that this is Sather we’re talking about who is the same GM that gave Scott Gomez a 7-year/ 51.8 million dollar contract. The guy is well known for bad contracts and taking them on so who knows? I don’t believe so.
Staal is not in love with Sather right now and vice-versa. It’s become a bad marriage that may result in Staal being dealt out of ‘the Big Apple’.
2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS
It's been a long journey but in the end it was all worth it, and I wouldn't have ever changed a thing. The feeling is so surreal, yet so real.
great news! time to wait and see how we handle the rest of the cap
I’ll probably stay in a mild form of panic until we get all of our lines sorted out and signed…but at least my swede is safe.
I can't wait to dive into a pool and end up in a jacuzzi
Good news atlast!
But I think I will literally be in tears if the team ditches Sharpie. Here’s to praying to all the gods he stays.
He's too consistent to let go ...
and he frees up a lot of space for Kane by being a secondary scoring threat that teams have to consider. Sharp is the difference between competing to win the division all season or slinking into the playoffs without home ice advantage.
by Billy Charlesbois on Jul 12, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Sharps gotta stay
he’s just gotta stay…..worried……
by Special Agent Dale Cooper on Jul 12, 2010 2:34 PM CDT reply actions
the thing with sharp that makes him untouchable
is the value of his contract relative to the quality of his performance. Why would you want to trade away a $3.9m cap hit for a player like him? He’s a friggin’ bargain and just the kind deal that’ll help keep us competitive this season.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
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You and I seem to agree on
Sharpie….he is very productive and very cheap-agreed!
by Special Agent Dale Cooper on Jul 12, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
most everyone here has the same opinion, I think
but we’re all freaking out because Rogers thinks Sharp would be on the trading block. He didn’t say someone from the organization told him that, it’s just his opinion. And with all due respect to him, he’s entitled to that opinion, but people shouldn’t be treating it like it’s someone’s inside information.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Jul 12, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
not even
LeBrun thinks Rogers thinks Sharp might be trade bait.
Until I hear it from a friend of a friend’s second cousin who knows this guy, I’m not even gonna give this a thought.
Our Cup.
exactly; thank you
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Jul 12, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Sharp would probably be just about the easiest player to move
but I would be very upset if it happened.
How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?
easy, yes
but moving him won’t be the smartest thing in terms of building a cap-manageable but talented team.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Jul 12, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
the only way you do it is to acquire a couple of young studs who are cheap
I dont see it happening. Sharp gives the team outstanding performance in addition to intangibles the team just doesnt have without him.
Trading Sharp would be horrendous.
by DunstontoSandbergtoGrace on Jul 12, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting
that many said we needed to keep Hjalmarsson over Niemi because Hjammer makes Campbell so much better and now there’s rumor that Campbell might be traded. I’m a Campbell fan, but I would love to see that contract moved. It’ll hurt in the short run, but longterm it’ll allow us to keep a lot of the young talent that we will hopefully be developing in the next couple of years.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 12, 2010 2:38 PM CDT reply actions
Hawks Sent Dale Tallon a Cup Ring
To be delivered by Campbell and Huet just in case he misses them.
Gotta keep Sharp. Gotta keep Sharp. Gotta keep Sharp.
That’s my mantra.
I wish we could just send Huet to the minors and be done with it. Damn you rules and regulations.
RIP Bob Probert
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.
A lot of people seem to think we can dump Huet to Rockford today...
and start signing others. If my understanding is correct, we can’t send him until Pre-Season ends. Alas… rules and regulations.
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
True
But the Hawks can be 10% over the cap until that time also, which actually works out to be just a pube above what Huet’s cap hit is.
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I’ve been stuck a little on this. Can we be 10% above the 59.4? Or is 10% our actual bonus-constricted cap of 55.2?
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Sweet, thanks, so for signing purposes the “cap” until opening night is 65.43 … but opening night it scales back to 55.2.
Mike Modano? Paging Mike Modano?
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Niemmi?
Does Niemmi get what hes asking for,or what the Hawks are offering only? Or can the arbitrator pick another number?
There are
several criteria that are weighed in the arbitrators decision such as:
“Comparable” RFA goalie signings (right now there have only been 2, Halak & Backlund)
NHL & team experience
Team contribution
Leadership skills
Illnesses/Injuries
Public image and perception (believe it or not this actually is taken into consideration)
Things that do not matter are:
UFA goalie signings
Team salary position
Team salary cap situation
- the 2 RFA goalies that are “comparable” average 2.275 mil/yr which I think may be out of the realm of possibility and that would probably be the lowest number
II Can Finally Die Happy Now!
Hammer's contract is great for us.
Maybe not for this years cap issues, but 3.5 per for the following three years leaves us in great shape for the future. We will have the money for Seabs next year (from the $4.1 M in bonuses we will not be paying) and our defensive core is intact for several years. Then, when Soupy’s contract is up it is adios. One of the present up-and-coming youngsters (Leddy, Lelonde) takes his place much cheaper and we are in great shape for years to come.
you make it seem like Soup is up in a year or two
he’s got 6 more years. Things will look very different in 6 years.
Ditto for CNS
Even if you hate his cap hit ...
Campbell is the difference between an elite defensive corp and an average won. We won the Cup with a Sopel Hendry/Boynton 5/6 D-pairing. Which means we can pretty much plug a fern and a hibiscus in that spot and still be better on defense than most teams. For that edge alone, I say keep Campbell and take your risks on goaltending and offensive depth rather than leave a gaping hole in the transition game.
by Billy Charlesbois on Jul 12, 2010 2:41 PM CDT reply actions
Wow, I agree with you.
I think I should write this date down somewhere!
by Katherine215 on Jul 12, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
we don't want to have cap issues for the next 6 years though
Soup has alot of value to this team, as you mention, but as long as his contract is on the books, we’re going to be tight against the cap without much flexibility to fix whatever problems occur over that duration
Ditto for CNS
That Hibiscus
has a good stay at home mentality, and is a great playmaker in transition ;D
II Can Finally Die Happy Now!
That's why
I didn’t mention him as he is unlikely to even make Rockford anytime soon!
II Can Finally Die Happy Now!
I like Sopel ...
but for every 5 shots he blocked an offensive chance was given up because he simply wasn’t fast enough to get into position. I don’t think he had all that much hockey sense either, as he was a former offensive minded defenseman figuring out how to adjust as his career went into a new phase. I don’t think our new #5 defenseman will be as good he is, but I don’t think the drop down is going to cost this team all that much.
However, your point is well taken. Sopel was as good as anybody about eating up the clock, blocking shots, sacraficing his body, looking funny, reaching out to the gays, lurching, and just being an all around cool guy. He will be missed!
by Billy Charlesbois on Jul 12, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Sopel's hockey sense was fine
his speed at getting to where he clearly knew he needed to be is his issue.
Our Cup.
That one game against Vancouver ...
The clock was winding down before the second period was over … Sopel has the puck behind the net with like 7 seconds left and no forecheck, just sit on the puck, right Brent? Sopel throws it blindly across the boards to a Canuck who takes a step in then feeds in across the high slot to some asshole who scores on a weak wrist shot from 25 feet away. I’m in an apoplexic fit. Then the play were Brouwer caughed it up at the blueline against nashville and Sopel had an opportunity to pick up the trailing man but just skated right by the net. Ugh.
by Billy Charlesbois on Jul 12, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure
and Kane’s no-look centering pass to the Preds in Game 5 that led to a shorty for Nashville mean that Kane has no hockey sense.
Good god Billy, every player makes stupid plays occasionally. To suggest that these two examples “proves” your point is ludicrous.
Our Cup.
argument by example
I don’t remember if it had a fancy Latin name.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Jul 12, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, comparing Kane making a bad play ...
is a lot different than a defenseman. Kane’s supposed to be making higher risk/reward decisions because his skill allows him to make them at a high rate of success. I’m not trying to crucify the guy for a few mistakes, I just don’t think he was the smartest player on the ice (not that he should have been either because he played a different game in Van and NYI).
On the other hand, I’m not sure what other evidence you’d like me to supply. He was a plus 3 last year on a team with a huge positive goal differential? I understand my examples aren’t conclusive, but I’m just not sure why they are totally off limits to mention in making my point.
by Billy Charlesbois on Jul 12, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
My point
was that I easily recall a half-dozen very smart hockey plays he made despite his physical limitations. Which to me means he’s got good hockey sense, but makes some mistakes just like most players — especially your bottom-tier guys — and gave up the body to bail his goalie out at a far higher rate than most.
Our Cup.
Maybe no hockey sense was the wrong phrase ...
because I agree with what you’re saying. More than anything I was trying to emphasize that it was impressive how he has moved from being an offensive defenseman to a pure stay at home shut down guy. I think saying a guy has a lack of hockey sense is probably harsher than I meant to capture with my original statement.
by Billy Charlesbois on Jul 12, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
How much was Versteeg making last season?
It is the RFA fuck up that is causing a lot of this problem this season. Don’t lose sight of that. If that was not for that fuck up, we may still have Versteeg or Buff.
I can’t wait until October.
Holy Crap!
The Brouwer deal looks fucking awesome though, getting him at $1M per for another year.
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Oh! because his cap hit
is cap friendly? As opposed to the other guys’ high cap hits? ;)
by Katherine215 on Jul 12, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope.
If he had signed for something similar to Versteeg, and we had space for one $3.5 million contract, it’s Versteeg sticking around.
by Katherine215 on Jul 12, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe it was somewhere in the vicinity of ~$600K
if that. Could have been $500+K
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Jul 12, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
So because of the fuck up he went from 600K to 3 MIL?
He had a geed year, but this is the shit that cost The Hawks some great talent.
This is why Tallon is in Florida.
Holy Crap!
We can never tell how much the Hawks would have offered those RFAs
if they didn’t end up hitting free agency w/o QOs. But Tallon was always afraid of offer sheets, apparently. Wasn’t that the reason behind raising Buff’s contract to $3m?
Tallon had an eye for talent, fine. But the management of the cap under his tenure w/ the Hawks definitely wasn’t one of its highlights.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Jul 12, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm as big of a Tallon fan as anybody ...
and I was sad to see him demoted/move on, but I’m glad we have somebody else handling this situation than him. He made the best of those high picks and made some shrewd deals, but he really went for the gusto with this whole cap situation. Seeing all these players moved immediately after winning the cup is just a little too painful, so it’s kind of nice to have somebody else come in and clean up the mess.
by Billy Charlesbois on Jul 12, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, the pain kinda hits you
when watching the game replays on CSN…..and you know those guys aren’t here anymore. Will be more fun to watch in 5 years I think.
i was watching game 5 last night
with the same feeling. trying to get one last glimpse of the team before we see it in some other form next fall
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
by puppetmasterp on Jul 12, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I’d always heard that Stan was our cap man. I know Tallon may have engineered the deals and lobbied for certain numbers, but if the cap was going to be an issue, Stan, I’d think, is not as far from sharing the blame as comments seem to suggest.
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I agree, Chico
I, like everyone else am not privy to any inside information, but numerous sources have stated the QO’s were Stan’s responsibility, besides cap management…
Oops! At the very least, there’s something very fishy about the whole thing. I’m not saying Dale is without sin, but I believe there is more to the story than we will ever know.
It’s like the Cubs being saddled with Soriano’s contract for years to come, and the Hawks being saddled with Huet’s contract for years to come…
There’s got to be a common denominator, but I can’t figure it out…
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
Also, that whole “winning the Stanley Cup” fuckup, and Toews being supremely awesome fuckup, really hurt you with those bonuses :)
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 12, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Whoever you are
We know we won the cup. It was because of the deals Tallon made and didn’t make. A gigantic mistake was made last year that cost him his job this year. That mistake will cost The Hawks this year.
Holy Crap!
This year is this year and last year is this year
I we can get it all done this year we will be OK this year
Holy Crap!
It was meant in jest. Just trying to say a number of things contributed to the problem. It is somewhat ironic that had you not won the cup, you’d have been able to keep at least one and probably two more pieces of your team together.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 12, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm confused.
//drinks
I'm not superstitious. I'm just a little stitious.
by AirTrafficAJ on Jul 12, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I’m not sure I get what that means???
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 12, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he's making fun of you because you obviously don't know what irony is
What you described is simple cause and effect
/pushes up glasses
//studying for the LSAT
Does this reply rise to the level of irony?
by Bobby Tables on Jul 12, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
And good luck studying for the bar. I did NOT have fun doing that.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 13, 2010 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I would say you obviously don’t know what irony is, or you don’t understand what I’m trying to say.
Winning the Stanley Cup is the ultimate prize for a team, but by winning the cup your bonus payouts went way up, which as a result means you had to dismantle parts of your team. That is ironic.
Achievement of ultimate team goal being a source of team disintegration = irony.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 13, 2010 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Good luck on the LSAT though. I had fun doing them.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 13, 2010 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions
ummm.....
are you still being grumpy?
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
by puppetmasterp on Jul 12, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Not grumpy til January
just watching this all happen and wondering how Q is gonna not explode next season.
Holy Crap!
There are still several free agent goalies available (including Turco, who I think is the one Sam, McClure and I all want to see signed for a bonus-heavy one or two year deal.).
Just so you know this is not possible. In order to sign a bonus-laden contract, you must be entry level, a veteran coming back from extensive injury, or 35 years old prior to the start of free agency (i.e. by June 30). Turco doesn’t turn 35 until August. Therefore not eligible for bonuses.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 12, 2010 2:46 PM CDT reply actions
Ahhh
Didn’t know when the 35+ cutoff was. Thought it had to be within a window of when his contract was signed. My bad.
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by Beantown Canuck on Jul 12, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
haha, don't worry
we’re all getting very much acquainted with the CBA ourselves over here.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Jul 12, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
This all seems like an issue with the CBA...in a lot of the cases dealing with
chicago, players taking extra money contracts has ended up hurting in the end. Because of Huet’s big deal, he’ll be relegated to the AHL…so his chance at redemption will never be known, and thanks to the bigger contracts signed out of last year’s RFA messup, steeg, and barker are now too expensive…so instead of being able to take less money and stay with a cup contender, they are relegated to the atlanta and toronto, where they will probably become obscure again…all because you can’t restructure..
I can't wait to dive into a pool and end up in a jacuzzi
Reasoner
Fifth Feather says Hjammer being matched probably means no Reasoner.
Can someone explain the link?
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
Jake Dowell can probably center a 4th line for cheaper
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Laughing with the enemy
One guy over at Fear the Fin commented that he was hoping the Hawks would just forget to match the offer sheet like they did with the RFA’s last season…
Snarky, but funny.
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
I guess now we know
why Bowman confirmed it today instead of waiting for the Sharks to sweat it out some more…
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Jul 12, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Beach only has 6 AHL games under his belt
He may possibly see time halfway through the seaosn, but his Cap hit is kind of high for my liking. As for Lalonde, he’s only played 8 AHL games. Hardly NHL-ready.
No D-men, really
apart from Vishnevskiy, who we got in a trade; he’s played a few NHL games. There’s also Stalberg from Toronto, who’s a speedy guy we could probably use on the 3rd line.
ironically
Vishnevsky is Russian for Wisniewski.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Jul 12, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
How does Campbell all of a sudden become so expendable?
Everyone was running for the damn window ledge because we might lose our 4th best Defenseman, but losing our 3rd best Defenseman is great?
I get the whole contract thing, but hasn’t that been balloon-boy-coverage-beaten-to-death already?
As always I am open to discussion.
The less a man makes declarative statements, the less apt he is to look foolish in retrospect.
"I get the whole contract thing"
that’s it, that’s the thing. If it weren’t for that contract causing cap problems for the next 5-6 years, I don’t many people would be talking about getting rid of campbell.
Ditto for CNS
wait, so now it's
Soupy’s $1.75 million dollar overpayment that is causing the cap problems? Huet’s contract and the RFAs also play a roll. and Toews and Kane are each at $6.3, which is a fairly big chunk. It’s not just Soupy, which I thought you agreed with but maybe I’m wrong.
by Katherine215 on Jul 12, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
*ugh, ROLE.
apparently, I’m hungry for a dinner roll.
by Katherine215 on Jul 12, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
oh, yeah!
and the bonuses! those are really what’s killing us.
by Katherine215 on Jul 12, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
oh yes
i believe he even admitted on camera to “not even trying to score” on that last shot.
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by puppetmasterp on Jul 12, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't say Campbell's contract was the only reason that we're having cap issues
He asked why everyone is so quick to get rid of soup and then said he get’s the whole contract thing, but………. Soup’s contract is the only reason people want to get rid of him, it’s not the only reason we have cap issues. Did you misunderstand my reply?
Ditto for CNS
further
sure Kane and Toews contracts eat up a lot of our space, but I don’t quite get what you mean. You certainly wouldn’t rather have Soup than Kane or Toews.
Ditto for CNS
No, I was just saying
that they eat up large chunks of the cap space, too. It’s not just Campbell’s contract taking up the space. We can stop now, really.
by Katherine215 on Jul 12, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably
That’s why I added that last sentence, I thought I was probably missing something.
by Katherine215 on Jul 12, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
That alone does not explain...
How losing our 3rd best Defenseman instead of our 4th makes us a better team. By that logic one is essentially saying that replacing Soupy is easier than replacing Hammer. I simply disagree.
The less a man makes declarative statements, the less apt he is to look foolish in retrospect.
This is a pointless and circuitous discussion
Campbell’s skillset is rare…….check
Campbell is tough to replace…….check
Campbell’s contract is part of the reason we’re strapped…….check
We’re not going to be able to trade him anyway.
Ditto for CNS
How losing our 3rd best Defenseman instead of our 4th makes us a better team
Campbell is NOT the 3rd best d-man on the team. He is the 4th best d-man playing defense on the team. Hjammer plays on the PK and would be better, imo, on the PP then Campbell would be on the PK. And without a player as good as Hjammer is defensively makes Campbell a liability.
You can’t afford to have a player like Campbell on the team without a partner like Hjammer. And at this point, I’m not sure you can afford Campbell if Hjammer is on the team.
A second D-man being paid 7 & 1/8th M/year is almost 4 M/year more then you can reasonably afford. Trading Campbell and a whole lotta draft picks for a lesser paid second line d-man really solves a lot of the Hawks problems.
At this point, I think Bowman needs to just fix all of Tallon’s screwups and just get it over with. Get the pain all done in one lump instead of excruciatingly trying to make it all fit. He has two big contracts on the team more then you can reasonably have. I think both need to move this year…
At trap-busting
Campbell is the #1 guy. His reputation in the defensive zone is exponentially worse than his actual play. The faster the pace of the game, the more effective Soupy is. Sure, he can get knocked off the puck and has a give away here & there…but who on the Hawks doesn’t?
In case you forgot, there were quite a few games where Campbell was the TOI leader and dozens of games where he played 24min+. Campbell is overpaid by $1m at most. Look at the contracts given to losers like Phanuef, Bouwmeester, Hamrlik, Redden, and Jovanovski – you think that’d be money better spent?
Campbell is one of the best at his job and he’s paid like it. Aside from the ‘09 WCF, one could argue that he was Chicago’s best defensemen in ’09 playoffs (no way we get past Van w/o Soupy) and was a phenom this past postseason despite playing w/a shattered shoulder.
fine then pick somebody else
Toews, Jonathan " NMC
Kane, Patrick " NMC
Keith, Duncan " NMC
Hossa, Marian "
Sharp, Patrick "
Campbell, Brian " NTC (
Fine you can’t afford Huet and at least one more of the guys above. Pick somebody else if it is NOT Campbell.
Send Reasoner off...
Sign someone, anyone, to an Osgood-like contract. Spend less than $1.5m on the 6/7th D-man (Visnewsky is on 3rd pair). Call up Dowell, Bickell, Klinkhammer (awesome fucking surname!), and sign Skille to a 1yr/league minimum contract and you’re under the cap.
Whoever is on a line with Toews/Kane & Sharp/Hossa is going to do just fine. The Bolland line will be a collection of spare parts b/c it’s what has worked and the 4th line will see limited minutes.
John Scott will be in the pressbox eating flesh of some sort and Huet will be in Switzerland enjoying a fine tax rate and finer chocolate.
"no way we get past Van w/o Soupy"
hell, i’m not even sure we would have gotten past Nashville without soupy coming back when he did.
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by puppetmasterp on Jul 12, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I almost think it was more
a player coming back early from a major injury that was the motivator rather than Soupy himself, at least in game 4. And it was me getting shit on by that bird before that game that helped too. :)
by Katherine215 on Jul 12, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
do you think the bird shit will help with the capocalpyse?
Maybe it’ll bring luck, making the outcomes you wish to be come true. If so, go stand under some trees.
NO.
It is for luck in the playoffs only. I already told someone I’d find a bird come 2011 playoffs, but no sooner.
…
But if it means saving Sharpie and Campbell, I could probably be persuaded…
by Katherine215 on Jul 12, 2010 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
just make katherine wear
a hat made of birdseed.
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by puppetmasterp on Jul 12, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I predict.....
…If the Hawks get rid of Soupy without having a puck moving defenseman in the deal or in the system ready to replace him in the 2nd D pairing then the next thing everyone will be screaming for is….wait for it…..
A PUCK MOVING DEFENSEMAN.
Do you remember what this team was like BEFORE we got Campbell?
When this team is ready to replace Soupy I would be more than open to discussing it. But with some the salaries being commanded by similar (some quite older) Defenseman I do not see that happening anytime soon.
As an aside…by defenseman standards Soupy is right in the middle of his prime age…and as a great skater he should remain valuable for the duration of his contract.
The less a man makes declarative statements, the less apt he is to look foolish in retrospect.
okay...not "everyone"...but you catch my drift.
The less a man makes declarative statements, the less apt he is to look foolish in retrospect.
That 4th best D-Man
could very well be the 2nd best D-Man by three years from now. That’s the issue.
Our Cup.
then talk about it in 3 years...
but now…with this team, we have to deal with reality….not what “might” happen.
The less a man makes declarative statements, the less apt he is to look foolish in retrospect.
Its all Hossa..
If I hear anyone else say Marian Hossa is the reason for our problems again I’m going to fucking lose it and a water dispenser in my office is going to have to pay..
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
HjammerTime is actually Big Z? Who knew Carlos was a hockey fan with a soft spot for Swedes.
Our Cup.
by 334Rules on Jul 12, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Why isn't Rat's name being talked about in trades?
Sharp showed he was fully capable of a number 2 center
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by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Jul 12, 2010 3:10 PM CDT reply actions
Sharp hates playing Center and they would’t dare trade the Rat. He is far too valuable int he playoffs..Toews cant be out there to take every draw.
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
And Rat is good at the dot?
you high?
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by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Jul 12, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
He was better than Sharp!
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
Not by much.
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by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Jul 12, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Bolland
is a good center, and that is something this team sorely lacks
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please
I love Bolland and think he can show flashes of brilliancwe. As of right now though he sucks at the dot, he was delagated to the 3rd line and he has never eclipsed 50 points in a season. So why is he so invaluable?
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by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Jul 12, 2010 4:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Go ask the Sedin brothers and Joe Throrton….they could explain it better than us..
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
Joe Thornton said that hacking thing was just a faceoff-taking style...
he didn’t really MEAN to hit Dave on the wrist with his stick, honest!
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
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by chiblackhawks on Jul 12, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Joe Thornton finally decided to sort of show up
This postseason. Just a little.
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by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Jul 12, 2010 4:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
you're right Rat was the whole reason
Not the Norris trophy winner and the other bum that plays with him.
If you think he is that huge because he mindfucked a few dumb asses then that is ludicrous.
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by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Jul 12, 2010 4:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
His success at mindfucking
did free Toews to focus on something other than having to match up against the other team’s best line.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
i think you're missing the point here.
But okay, continue to pay a guy 3 mil if he plays the 3rd line. Smart thinking.
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by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Jul 12, 2010 4:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You know, I was thinking again about this. I definitely agree that the stats don’t really bear out in terms of showing a stellar checking performance.
But equally important is the team’s perception. When they’re on the bench and they see Daniel Sedin and Joe Thornton being outplayed mentally by Bolland and taking seriously stupid penalties, that’s a massive lift even though it’s pretty much statistically intangible. Whether the stats would buoy him up or not, I think the perception was that no one could beat him, or beat that line, and that goes a long, long way in helping a team to keep an even keel. The Cup Final was a different thing altogether, for both teams, but the middle two rounds especially were Bollie’s coming of age. He’s due for a career year next year.
I know you’re not necessarily arguing otherwise, but ya, that’s all.
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Bolland is a good
Center…..but he was not better at the dot than Patrick Sharp….in the playoffs Sharp was at about 50% and Bolland at 40%….i think the Rat is a big time playoff player,and if he didnt have back surgery i’m sure his season will have been much better…..however ……..this guy needs to get his act together at the dot,especially since they lost MAdden…..but i do agree with anyone who says Bolland isn’t appreciated enough
by Special Agent Dale Cooper on Jul 12, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Come on.....
Seriously?
The less a man makes declarative statements, the less apt he is to look foolish in retrospect.
I've said it before and I'll say it agian....
Dave Bolland is the most underappreciated player on this team. I just don’t get it.
The less a man makes declarative statements, the less apt he is to look foolish in retrospect.
by Overserved on Jul 12, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
you get a rec just for that
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by chiblackhawks on Jul 12, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
So if it came down to Bolland the oft injured third line center at 3+mil
and Sharpie you’d pick Bolland?
I don’t know about that one.
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by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Jul 12, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I feel like you're looking at this wrong
just because someone thinks Campbell or bolland being moved for cap space might be a good option, it doesn’t necessarily mean that we don’t like them as a player.
Ditto for CNS
Exactly.
I love Rat but for 3+ mil and being injured quite often he isn’t worth. Especially if he winds up on the 3rd line again.
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by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Jul 12, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't
really think he has been injured OFTEN, wasn’t it always the back? Now that that is fixed (supposedly) let’s see how he does with a whole season to play
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the back this year
also throughout most of last year, by the looks of it. So he’s been playing in pain.
He broke a foot last year too or something? Or was it the year before that? Not too sure.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
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by chiblackhawks on Jul 12, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm with you
IF the Hawks HAVE to move one more big salary, I’d go with Bolland leaving….but hoping it doesn’t happen.
But we are trying to have the best team in the league....
Not the best team at the cheapest price. If you can give me comparable players for less money than fine, let’s do that. But if it were that simple evryone would be doing it. This reminds me of a fighter trying to cut weight; at some point he is fighting the scale and getting his ass kicked in the ring when what he should be doing is moving up a class.
The less a man makes declarative statements, the less apt he is to look foolish in retrospect.
Bolland has proved 1 season to us.
I am not saying we should dump him but what would you suggest other than that? Campbell is more than likely staying because the contract. What other guy besides Bolland or Sharp can they trade?
If Bolland gets hurt again or ends up on the 3rd line then that is not good.
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by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Jul 12, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Niemi
will walk and no none else will be traded. The young guys will be called up to start learning and the chips will fall accordingly. We will be competitive, maybe even win another cup, but either way those guys get the experience they need to make another serious run in future seasons!
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Jiri Hudler
reminds me of Rat somewhat but smaller. and Cheaper.
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by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Jul 12, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok, let's move up to the next Cap class
heavyweight salary cap – 70 mil. I’m down. Instead of getting rid of players and trying to piece together our best values, let’s just move up a class. That solves everything.
Ditto for CNS
I think you are on to something....
and I believe if a TV deal is reached for the 2011-2012 season the cap will go up 5 or 10 million and we will be just fine…solid core…stacked pipeline of talent and picks…and more cap room.
The less a man makes declarative statements, the less apt he is to look foolish in retrospect.
Yeah it's an interesting thought
you have to wonder if, at least with contracts signed that long, that some future planning considers this in the hope we can keep some guys that we would’ve let go if we were sure the cap wouldn’t increase
OR
just do it the NBA way……you can go over the cap to resign your own players but not free agents.
Q loves him, too.
I personally think Bolland deserves a shot at coming back fully from his surgery. If he’s not better after tihs coming season, I say we part ways.
by Katherine215 on Jul 12, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Versteeg, Buff, Barker, Brouwer, Bolland, Burish, Hjammer, Niemi etc.
They all came up from the AHL and had success (some more than others). This is how it’s going to be. You can’t keep all the players. Decisions have to be made. Guys gotta go.
We all missed Havlat and Khabby, it worked out fine
Holy Crap!
Anyone else feel like the Sharks might jump on Niemi if the arbitration doesn't work out?
I kinda thought that was their plan all along. Try to get Hjalmarsson. If that fails, there’s a good chance you get a goalie instead with a similar cap hit.
Also, don’t forget that a few teams are under the cap floor and would be willing to take a player like Campbell just to get there. The Islanders have most of their team signed and are still under. They could be a potential trade partner. I thought Campbell had a no-trade clause though? Any confirmation on this?
He does have an NTC.
Which means he can give a list of I think 8 teams he will agree to be traded too and the team has 45 days to trade him to one of those 8. I somehow think the Islanders and Oilers wouldn’t make the list.
by Katherine215 on Jul 12, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
But he can be asked to waive his NTC, can't he?
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
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by chiblackhawks on Jul 12, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Waive it completely
and go to any team? Or asked to give the list? I’m not sure which is your question.
by Katherine215 on Jul 12, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
waive it to go to any team
I’m obviously no lawyer, but my understanding is that 8-team limit is part of the clause, whereas waiving the NTC could potentially happen if the Hawks manage to find a team who’ll take his contract. I’m not saying I’d want them to, nor that he’d necessarily go ahead and waive it, but it’s a way around the fact he’ll never put the Isles or the Oilers on his wish list. The Hawks could arrange that trade then approach him to see if he’d waive the clause to go there.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
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by chiblackhawks on Jul 12, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you're right
but isn’t that why players get NTCs? So they have some say in where they’re traded and don’t end up on an Oilers/Isles type of team? I guess it would be a way around it but only if he was willing to actually go there once the deal was in place.
Wasn’t there all kinds of drama with Heatley’s NTC last year and where he was willing to go? I don’t remember the details.
by Katherine215 on Jul 12, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Oddly enough
I remember Edmonton being one of the teams he refused to go to, despite a deal being in place.
Ditto for CNS
oh yes, there definitely was
he demanded a trade out of Ottawa and only the Oilers were interested at first. Heatley refused to waive the no-trade clause so the Sens were on the hook for his $4m bonus on July 1 last year. Massive pissiness all around until the Sharks got him.
I guess what I was getting at was the Hawks won’t necessarily have to ask him for a list of 8 so much as try to see what deals can be made around the league, then go back to Campbell and see if he’ll waive his NTC for the trade or not.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
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by chiblackhawks on Jul 12, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
If NHL player contracts
are treated like any other contract, any contract term is waivable by the party that would otherwise benefit from that clause. So, Campbell could waive his no-trade clause and be traded to any team if he wanted to do that.
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If it really came down to it
and I’m not saying it will. See Puck Daddy’s article on Marc Savard and Dan Boyle. Guys with NTC that the teams waived outright. Maybe someone picks up Campbell. If they are that cap strapped they go that route and basically “Huet” him. No need to find a trade partner
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I've read the pieces
and I feel confident that the Hawks will be able to move Campbell and get valuable players or picks in return.
Seriously doubt it.
I'm not superstitious. I'm just a little stitious.
by AirTrafficAJ on Jul 12, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Who knows
Maybe the Islanders will give him a bigger contract than we did at some point?
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6 years from now
he’ll be 37. Maybe he’d get a bigger one but that’s pretty doubtful.
by Katherine215 on Jul 12, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe I'm a little gullible
But I do honestly believe that the Sharks are happy to go with Nittymaki/Greiss this season.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
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by chiblackhawks on Jul 12, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think you are...
but add Stalock to the mix… we have a veteran in Nitty and two young ones in Greiss / Stalock.
I seriously doubt Niemi enters into it… but I’ve been wrong before (see: WCF… ouch.)
the fuckin' fratellis
Tittymaki
Was pretty solid behind a Tampa team that played D like the opposing player had Ebola. He may end up being your best signing.
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by AirTrafficAJ on Jul 12, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
He egregiously bad in Philadelphia where he was the constant whipping boy at the Wachovia Center and for good reason.
This is the Nittymaki that the Sharks hope not to get. If they do they could be in serious trouble.
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It's been a long journey but in the end it was all worth it, and I wouldn't have ever changed a thing. The feeling is so surreal, yet so real.
Agreed on the Niemi part.
When I first heard about this last week, my first thought was “They’re after Niemi”…
Think about it – we’re forced to match it, maxed out, with the arbitration hearing coming up.
We’ll see.
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
I think they’ve made their goalie moves. Why sign Nittymaki if you know you’re eventually going after Niemi? Plus, Greiss is in there and played really well for them. That’s a solid platoon. If Niemi came in, you wouldn’t put Greiss back down after being back-up last year, and why sign Nitty to a 2yr/4mil contract for the AHL; or why bother signing him as a UFA just to trade him?
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I’m confused, if we move Campbell (to where, again?), doesn’t our D look like this:
Keith/Seabs
Hammer/?
?/?
Even with the cap space, who do we find to fill the defensive hole?
Campbell may not be traded right away...
But rather sometime this season. Trading Campbell results in cap space and a potential playmaker who could have more upside (Campbell is 31).
I don’t think the Hawks should trade him, but I think they will at some point.
this assumes
that he’ll get traded to a contender, or a near contender that needs that final push. I wonder what teams fill that position?
Several playoff teams from the 09-10 campaign could have used Campbell's services
And I suspect demand will be high in 10-11 as well. Teams often lack a winning, playoff experienced puck moving d man and there’s a pretty good chance they could overpay for what they don’t have.
With the way
D men were moving this FA period and at the prices they were being offered, who knows what could happen come push time
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i would agree with you
if there was only 3 years left on his contract. The length of the contract is the poison pill.
in any regards, which teams in your opinion will have the cap space to bring him on?
Yeah but
who will want to pick up that kind of salary? Not many teams I presume
I'm not doing anything at work. Consider this statement as present-continuous.
and for 6 years...
I can think of one scenerio where it might work. We could feasibly trade his bad contract for a pair or more of bad contracts. If what we get back plugs in a few needed positions (goalie and another D man) it could work. Especially if the length of the contracts we’re getting in return aren’t as lengthy as 6 years.
Cap freedom is the main reason for the deal...
CapGeek lists several teams with the cap space to pull off the move – Phoenix, Colorado, possibly Florida or NYI. My point is simply that the chance that a contender wants him is pretty good.
some of those teams
have young teams who won’t want to hamper themselves with Soupy’s larger than life contract. Off the top of my head, I’m certain that CO and FL will not take his contract. They’ll be more interested in using the extra cap space to sign their most productive youngsters when the time comes.
The Islanders? Maybe.
CO may want him for a playoff push, FL is obviously more speculative
Florida has productive youngsters?
FL
will have a host of them in the coming years making their way through the system. Players such as Jacob Markstrom, Ellerby and Repik. Add in all the talent they drafted this year, and 5-6 years for Campbell might be the wrong move (check that, it would definitely be the wrong move).
Trading one bad contract for multiple bad contracts
sounds like a bad business plan to me, but I get what you’re saying. I would just be worried that we would be on the hook for 2 or more shitty contracts on top of having players that are not as skilled as Soupy. I would rather keep Campbell and his unholy contract than have a couple slighly better contracts with less skilled players, if that makes any sense…..which it probably doesn’t.
I'm not doing anything at work. Consider this statement as present-continuous.
instead of one bad contract eating up $7.5mil bucks, you could have 2-3 bad contracts eating up $7.5 mil bucks. It frees up space to spend more elsewhere. That would be the main reason for it.
not taking sides on an argument here
but 1 bad contract at 7.5mil and 2-3 bad contracts at 7.5 mil total still means you haven’t freed up any money that you didn’t have before.
Ditto for CNS
Hes saying
that instead of investing that kind of dough into one player, we can use that money to get 2-3 guys who can fill vacancies left from our dear departed friends
I'm not doing anything at work. Consider this statement as present-continuous.
I get that
but do we want 2-3 guys with bad contracts taking up roster spots? Campbell’s bad contract is different than other bad contracts. As has been well documented, Campbell is an important player, he just makes a bit too much money. I doubt you’ll find a campbell-for-2-3 bad-contracts trade bringing back 2-3 players that we actually want playing for us.
Ditto for CNS
not saying this is the way to go...
but it opens up options you didn’t have before. 3 contracts at an average of $2.5 million does effectively give you more money to put resources elsewhere.
Here’s a hypothetical – if you get an average goalie that’s being paid $4.5 million and get an average d-man that’s getting overpaid at $3.5 mil for the next 4 years, you’ve effectively figured out the goalie situation (bye bye Huet), replaced Campbell’s spot (even if he’s not better) and taken some years off the cap hit. It may also make it easier moving the other contracts or eating one of them up over the course of fewer years…
I’ll repeat myself on this point. While it might not necessarily make us better, any such move might lessen the long-term impact of Soupy’s contract. I am a huge Campbell fan, I’m just presenting options.
I think you have to keep Campbell...
we lost a decent amount of offense this offense, so getting rid of a vital player like Campbell, one that makes us more dangerous would be a huge mistake.
Glad we kept Hammer. 4 years is a good contract, as it will hopefully allow more time for our young guys to mature.
I agree
even though his salary is outrageous, look at what he brought to the team as soon as he recovered from Ovies cheap shot. I think Campbell gets a bad rap most of the time. Im so glad we kept Hammer, that kid is going to be a beast next year, even more so than he was this year. Cant wait for more Ikea commercials!
I'm not doing anything at work. Consider this statement as present-continuous.
Is it bad that I'm highly tempted to post this on FTF?
by Germware on Jul 12, 2010 3:26 PM CDT reply actions 7 recs
I'm a Sharks' fan.
That’s fair game. Do it. (though I doubt it will have the impact you think it will. They were hoping for him… not convinced it was a done deal.)
the fuckin' fratellis
Your lame for not posting it already……..and post a picture of the Stanley Cup right next to it just for good measure.
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
It makes me feel powerful…
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
They deserve to lose those 200 bucks.
//// Clings to Hossa Jersey for deal life..
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
I've still got my
Bobby Orr and Stan Mikita Sharks jerseys…
DAMN YOU non-existent Sharks team and free agency!!!!
the fuckin' fratellis
Bolland stays
Who did as good a job on the other team’s top lines in the playoffs? It’s worth it to keep Bolland just to see him get into the Sedin’s heads next year – and while I hate talk about a player’s “clutchiness,” he sure came up big in every series. The guy can do it all.
Keep Bolland ...
if nothing else because I want SOME players carrying over from last years team. I’m not the sentimental type but c’mon! Jermaine Dye is still a free agent. Lets sign him so we can get some of that 2005 Sox nostalgia going too.
by Billy Charlesbois on Jul 12, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Bolland stays...
he’s a dangerous player when healthy. Extrapolate Stalberg’s numbers and figure in full-seasons from Hossa and Bolland (knocks on wood) and we’ve made up all the points lost with Steegs, Ladd’s and Buff’s departures.
Get used to this
bull shit for the next few years. Or until they can unload Huet or Soup’s terrible contract.
According to CapGeek..
Campbell’s annual cap hit through 2015-16 is $7,142,875.
Seabrook’s hit for next year is $3,500,000. Thus, moving Campbell could pay for Seabrook’s modest raise, plus another player in the $2-3 million range. To me, it’s something that has to be explored when the time is right. Many teams need a player like Campbell (however, too many are willing to linger in mediocrity – damn feels good to win the Cup).
All I know is
it makes it much more bearable having the Cup under our belts already. Can’t even imagine the panic this would cause if we were closing in on 50 years
by Chris Roberts on Jul 12, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
in other news...
Kyle Beach knocked Matthis Olimb out for 4 months. WELL DONE, BEACH.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
Was it a punch to the face
or a clean hit during a scrimmage that Olimb couldn’t handle? Big difference.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Does anyone have the phone number
for Zambrano’s anger management therapist? I think Beach can use it. Wtf.
by Katherine215 on Jul 12, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Was it a cheap shot?
Or is Beach just trying to make the team and somebody got in his way?
Holy Crap!
I think they fought? Not sure. Didn't watch Prospect Camp
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Jul 12, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Do we have any sort of facts about the injury? All we know is Beach knocked him out. That could be with a clean hit or a routine scrap.
Id wait to convict until after we have the facts..
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
Rogers says:
“They fought twice over weekend and beach kind of jumped him 2nd time. Shoulder I think. Foreign media actually reported it”
by Katherine215 on Jul 12, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Olimb didn't drop his stick or the gloves
He never wanted to fight.
Link?
Chicago Blackhawks - 2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Things have changed forever, we're the Ramblin' Boys of Pleasure
I meant of the video of Beach beating ass.
Chicago Blackhawks - 2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Things have changed forever, we're the Ramblin' Boys of Pleasure
Cannibalizing other prospects
is not the way to make the big club. What’cha think; Beach gets shipped off to the East or sent to the ECHL?
He’ll get murdered in the NHL with the shit he pulls.
Apparently Stan liked him
Check out the vid on the Hawks main page. He didn’t seem like he thought there was much wrong with Beach’s style of play.
I see him going to Rockford.
You really think
He’s going to poison the well by calling the Beach a sociopath? I liken it to parents calling their kids cute when by any standard their kid is uglier than sin.
He's going to Rockford for sure
To raise his trade value if anything.
Stan said he likes the edge he has. The complaint was knowing when to use it, which he said can be coached.
as much as i like what i hear about beach
we don’t need stupid players like that. that just screams moron when you take out fellow prospects.
by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Jul 13, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
cuz Big Z’s got those emotions under control.
by Chris Roberts on Jul 12, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
It was a joke, people!
And Big Z just started going after his last tantrum, so give the poor therapist a chance. Uh, yeah, whatever.
by Katherine215 on Jul 12, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
can the Bulls
borrow him when they play the Heat?
Damn it, Beach.
What kind of jackass gets in a fight serious enough to injure someone at a prospects camp? I’m not even sure that Olimb got his gloves off on that one.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jul 12, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
My thought exactly
Why would ANY fights happen in prospect camp. Am I missing something? I mean, i get checking and such but an actual fight? What an idiot! Although, admittedly, I’ve never paid attention to prospect camp much before this year so maybe this is more common than I think.
Well, if you're planning on auditioning for a 3/4 line enforcer role
I could see how you might scrap a bit to plant that idea in the coaches’ minds. But don’t throw those punches to seriously maim someone (no face, no kidneys), and don’t pick on a guy the size of Kaner to prove your point. That just seems like common sense to me.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jul 12, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Happens in football all the time
Coaches actually like it….unless of course someone gets injured.
Isn't this pretty much
the same reason Stan was willing to deal Aliu?
"I'll keep it short and sweet: Family. Religion. Friendship. These are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business."
I love a good fight
but Beech acted like a bitch there. He will become a side show for sure
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
This is good.
As far as other guys:
As it’s been said, Sharp needs to stay.
If Campbell is moved, let’s get something NHL-proven in return. I don’t want draft picks and prospects, i.e. hopefully-he’ll-be-good(s), but at least one person in the deal with years of experience and proven decent performance at the NHL level.
If Niemi is awarded $3-$4 mil per year…best of luck to ya Antti.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
If Soup is moved
you have the $$ to sign Niemi and a good 3-4 d-man.
by Chris Roberts on Jul 12, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting point
Campbell’s value may be at his highest right now, rather than before the deadline
the problem is
finding someone to take 7+ mil for that long. I’d honestly take him for a bag of beens at this point if we can get a solid d man and keep Nemo. Don’t get me wrong, I love Soup, I just hate his contract.
by Chris Roberts on Jul 12, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Even if Cambell is moved
and we have the money, I don’t think an effective way to spend it is to sign Niemi for a ton of money. I’d rather see him walk and get a less expensive goalie, and spend the remainder of the money on decent D and a center.
I could probably live with that
I was just making the point that Campbell’s spot can’t be exchanged for picks and prospects. That, to me, would be unacceptable.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
If Campbell is moved
it will be next season. We’ll have a better idea of what we have in the wings, D-wise, and we’ll be able to deal more from strength than desperation.
Our Cup.
I don't see Campbell
being moved during the season as far-fetched. A team making an unlikely run at the playoffs could become desperate enough to try and trade for Soupy.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
Beach sounds like he's stuck on stupid
Good Lord, you put another teammate out for four months..at prospect camp? Unbelievable.
This is distressing
Although I’ve never seen him play, all the descriptions (except for the stupid part) pointed to a valuable Hawk. I just always assume the chance to play at the highest levels will turn a guy around. Hopefully that still proves out with Beach
With him
and Soupy on the same d-line, their heads may explode. Or they will pass out from trying to boo both at the same time.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
Think I have footage..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCg04RlbRhs
Is this the fight where Beach injures Olimb?
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
probably
If he’d injured him in the 1st fight he wouldn’t have been around for the 2nd one.. :|
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Jul 12, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Its unclear to me if he was injured in the second fight or if they fought twice in a previous session then went at it again….
Compadres! It is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season......And by that I mean it’s time for the worker of the week award!"
i think there were only 2 fights
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Jul 12, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Holy shit Beach is a tool there
That’s like Brouwer picking a fight with Kane during practice. As a matter of fact, I think Beach should take on Seabrook and/or Brouwer during training camp. Then we’ll see who the big dog is.
Fucking tool.
Holy Crap!
second this.
Was at camp on Sat. and thought Olimb showed real skill that would help sooner rather than later. Hope this doesn’t set him back too much.
Do we really need another mental midget head case on the team? Hope Beach stays far away from this team and locker room. Seems like just the kind of locker room poison we don’t need.
"Life is a long lesson in humility."
- James M. Barrie
total fucking tool
Its like going to a job interview and getting in an argument with a potential coworker. Who does that?
‽ ⅋ ‽
i like this suggestion
two options if that happens
- he actually fights and gets his ass beat by Seabs or Brouwer
- he runs like a dog with his tail between his legs
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
by puppetmasterp on Jul 12, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
but if he actually fights, that just makes him stupid
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
by puppetmasterp on Jul 12, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, Olimb
didn’t even drop the gloves. Beach is fucking stupid.
by Katherine215 on Jul 12, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
what a fuckhead.
How big is Olimb anyway? He looked tiny in that video. What was the point of that fight?
I guess
It’s just that Beach is 6’3" 205 that makes him look so small.
Wow
Just wow. He looked like had the ref not stepped in he would have pummeled Olimb while he was on the ice. And then for a sec he looked like he was going to take the ref on.
Hope you have a nice pair of swimming shorts Beach – you’re gonna spend a lot of time at Magic Waters.
"Kane is skating as if his mullet is on fire." - 6/9/10, 10:06PM CST
hahaha I gotta head over and look
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Jul 12, 2010 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey CNS
How bout a teal #4 Jersey with “NO WAY JOSE” on the back for our Fear the Fin friends?
I wouldn't
They’re bitching up a storm about us commenting over there. They don’t understand why we aren’t here talking about what this means for our team and why instead we choose to go to their board to comment on a post about a player of ours.
Isn’t it funny how when the Sharks made an offer on Hjalmarsson, it was ok for them to come here and post on our blog but the reverse is an outrage?
EXACTLY!!!!
Revenge is best served cold.
A lot of them over there are pretty knowledgeable and sharp. One guy saw through my BS about thanking DW right away…..but he couldn’t understand why I congratulated him on his analysis…lol. Others still call us band wagon fans, can’t believe we swept them and try to justify booing Campbell another year. I have no problem tweaking those souls a little bit over there……especially AFTER they posted Hammer in Teal over here.
Complete side note - I know the Illitch family owns Little Ceasar's
But I’d still like to see more of them in Chicago. Of course my passion is deep dish, but $5 hot-and-ready’s really are clutch
Little Caesar's?
About the only thing that could make me vomit faster would be hearing Toews is wearing a SCUM jersey. UGHHH!!!
It's all about value
I can get a large cheese pizza in my neighborhood (Edgewater) for $7 + tax but Little Ceasar’s is better and cheaper (plus more topping choices). Value is key.
But it literally tastes like cardboard
…well at least it did when my kids were 10 and 7.
When I was 7
I was a huge Little Caesar’s fan. Probably because I couldn’t taste the difference between pizza and cardboard.
Wut?
Kaberle wwill be a Shark by the end of the offseason I guarantee it.Oh and Sharp will be a Leaf by the end of tommorow I also guarantee that
GO SHARKS GO
…wut?
Can't imagine that happening (the Sharp part)
we’d have the Blackhawks South (Thrashers) and Blackhawks North (Maple Leafs) if it did though.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
Yeah, that's the part I was focussing on
I’m not sure why you’d “guarantee” something like that when Sharp=$3.9mil & Plekanec=$5mil, and we’re a Cap-strapped team.
Same guy who already spent $150 for a Hj jersey
I told him he can rip the letters off, buy a WYE and put NO WAY JOSE on the back and have a perfectly good #4 jersey.
Some relief from cap shenanigans:
Have a picture of our captain being… himself. It’s Toews (complete with mild Toewsface), his younger cousin, and Lord Stanley on a city bus, riding to his next appearance with it. At least he pulled out a Corvette for the parade that Winnipeg held.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jul 12, 2010 4:55 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
love the image
The SC on a public transit bus, in Winnipeg, Manitoba. Crazy cool. Reason 1,001 to love Toews.
Not sure if this has been mentioned
but this tweet from Dan Rosen: “The Toews Golf Classic today raised $100,000 for the Children’s Rehabilitiation Foundation. His parents are speechless.” Like you needed another reason to like the Captain.
"I'll keep it short and sweet: Family. Religion. Friendship. These are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business."
my favorite tweet
was when he asked his mom where his gold medal was, and then said he hoped the car was locked when he learned it was in the car.
by Katherine215 on Jul 12, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't have any answers to the cap problems.
But I don’t like Niemi leaving. Huet was a sieve WITH our fabulous defense, WHEN we played our very best in the regular season. Niemi let in very, very few soft goals throughout the time he played. Is there another goalie out there as solid as Niemi?
"....we have to find a way to win. And good teams do that."
Tomas Kopecky May 29, 2010
Read the threads
Niemi’s ilk are a dime a dozen out there…and Huet won 26 games.
One thing WAS pointed out to me though….we can’t play Huet unless we clear 5.6Mil for him. So the Huet option seems pretty dead to me.
Seems like all of a sudden Turco is the savior. I’m personally hoping that if Niemi DOES leave, Crawford vs. Niemi last pre-season really WAS a toss up.
"Niemi’s ilk are a dime a dozen"
Surely you jest.
Not the greatest and maybe not technically pretty.
But great temperament and think back – as I remember, very few weak goals.
"....we have to find a way to win. And good teams do that."
Tomas Kopecky May 29, 2010
Sarcasm button please
I’d have without any doubt signed Niemi vs. Hammer IF it comes to that choice. But read the threads……just about 99% of the bloggers here would easily let Niemi go given that choice or even Niemi vs. Bolland. That’s the dime a dozen sarcasm there. My feeling is if we lose Niemi it will be long regretted.
I'm glad about this.
Keeping Hjalmarsson is awesome… I don’t know about moving Sharp, he’s a huge part of this team. I definitely don’t want to see Niemi leave but I’s rather have Hammer for a few years over Niemi. Campbell, I don’t see anyone taking that contract but I’d hate to see him go either, he was big when he came back and was a huge reason we took home the cup.
Haven't scrolled through the thread yet
…so, sorry if this has been raised, but would there be any market for Huet + boatful of picks for Turco and one or two lesser picks, or some similar deal? There has to be a break-even point, and I think we have enough in the picks department for a while to allow for some movement.
(BTW — our draft position is likely no better than 20th for next few years if all goes to plan. So first-rounders may be overrated at this stage.)
WAIT FOR THE WHISTLE!
by Sec 326 Bureau Chief on Jul 12, 2010 6:28 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
ADD
From what I’m hearing, Kyle Beach might be expendable in a situation like this. Particularly a club run by dumbasses.
(No, Mr. Wang, I wasn’t looking at you when I said that.)
WAIT FOR THE WHISTLE!
by Sec 326 Bureau Chief on Jul 12, 2010 6:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Turco is a free agent...if we want him we just sign him...
The less a man makes declarative statements, the less apt he is to look foolish in retrospect.
HA! Nice!
The less a man makes declarative statements, the less apt he is to look foolish in retrospect.
See, my brain swiss-cheeses after a hard day
Apologies for dumbassery.
WAIT FOR THE WHISTLE!
by Sec 326 Bureau Chief on Jul 12, 2010 6:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
See, my brain swiss-cheeses after a hard day
Apologies for dumbassery.
WAIT FOR THE WHISTLE!
by Sec 326 Bureau Chief on Jul 12, 2010 6:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Jelly gets stored in the cabinet
for four years. And the Sox are in first place. All in all, not a bad Monday at all.
"I'll keep it short and sweet: Family. Religion. Friendship. These are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business."
Sox in first? How the hell did that happen?
Amazing, considering where they were… long way to go though.
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
i had the same thought
when i realized this morning where they were in the standings. i mean i’ll take it….but still confused a bit.
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
by puppetmasterp on Jul 12, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
May have been answered before but if we move Sharpie does Beach go back to center?
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