If Tim Hardaway Were Here, He'd Say We Got Skille-s...
...but then he'd probably talk about how he hates gay people. But that's another story.
Anyway, Stan got Jack Skille to essentially take a 50% pay cut, signing him for 600k today. So, to the big board!
Will Skille's signing, and the utter assurance he has to play with the big club this year (seriously, if he's not ready by now than he's the Wings-version of Ville Leino, though I doubt he'd go somewhere else and tear it up) the Hawks forwards look something like:
Brouwer-Toews-Kane
Stalberg-Sharp-Hossa
Kopecky-Bolland-Skille
Reasoner
That's not what the lines will look like but you get the idea. The Hawks still only have their top 4 d-men, and if we go with the "have the cap room of Huet and Scott", well, Skille's new deal and Scott's are basically a wash. So the Hawks need 3 forwards, a goalie, and 3 d-men with about 4.8 to play with. Bickell and Dowell are almost certain to fill out a couple of those, at no more than 1.2. So 1 forward, a goalie, and 3 d-men with 3.6. If you want to throw Lalonde or Vishnevsky on the roster, then it's 2 defensemen and a goalie for about 3.
However, there's every chance the Hawks could elect to not have Reasoner start the year here, or be here at all. Which means filling out four forward spots, 3 d-men spots, and a goalie for 6.4 million (Huet, Scott, and Reasoner's space minus Crawford's). Bickell, Dowell, and Skille take that down to 4. Lalonde/Visnevsky plus another d-man for let's say 700k puts you at a goalie, a d-man, and a bonus forward for 2.6.
Basically, there's no way Kyle Beach starts the year here, or is here before the All-Star Break, though he might need the development mentally. We shall see.
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Marty Turco
For about 1.5 will look nice in a hawks sweater
I'm trusting Sam's math
And that means that we would have 1.1mm for a D-man and forward. I assume that’s fine if we’re talking about players that will typically be healthy scratches.
by warrenjm2006 on Jul 15, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Sam's 2nd scenario is the most realistic
How can the Hawks possibly send down Huet now that he’s on an EA Sports game cover??
Oh…
I FanShotted this too, but no one reads FanShots it made the photo really small.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 16, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 9 recs
thanks
when it refreshes in a while, there will be a puck zinging past Huet too. Just had to add that!
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 16, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
C'mon, stop piling on poor 'ol Huey.
I’m really feeling bad for the guy.
(But truth be known, I couldn’t post this until I managed to stop laughing.)
"Life is a long lesson in humility."
- James M. Barrie
Seriously, I like the guy
He proved to be a good clubhouse person. I mean he was given that big contract for some reason and then he was asked to ride the pine for this young upstart. So what does Huey do? Take him under his wing and help him along.
by northernsails on Jul 16, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I like the guy too
He’d probably be someone I’d enjoy have a beer (a wine?) with. But with his cap hit and what happened to him last season, he’s really stuck between a rock(ford) and a hard place.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 16, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
sad but true
And that part was Tallon’s fault, wasn’t it? And we still like him a lot, too.
by northernsails on Jul 16, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Or McD's
depending on who you believe
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 16, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
guess so.
point is, it’s a sad situation involving a lot of really good people who made mistakes or got the short end.
by northernsails on Jul 16, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
This is a situation where being able to renegotiate contracts would come in handy.
I’m sure Huet would rather take much less money and continue playing in the NHL as a backup than play in Rockford for the foreseeable future.
Plus, and I’m probably in the minority here, I’d love to have him as the backup next season. I don’t think we could do much better.
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- James M. Barrie
I doubt
he would give away his money. Maybe he would play for less in the NHL after his current deal is done.
by stanfordron on Jul 16, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure you're right.
But my pollyanna view(hope?) in my little fantasy is that his pride as a professional athlete would outweigh his greed as a professional athlete.
(It’s my fantasy and I get to make the rules dammit!)
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I'm sure you're actually in the majority
Hell, I’d take him as the starter if we couldn’t resign Niemi – but it all goes back to the cap hit.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 16, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
i'm not sure I'd go that far
he seems to contract Rebound-O disease at the worst times and becomes a headcase.
I’m not stepping away from what I said about him as a person, just saying that I might take Crawford first.
by northernsails on Jul 16, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Personally I believe the only reason Crawford makes the bigs is because of our cap issues. I don’t see him ever being a full-time NHL starter. But I’m probably biased. I’ve watched him live a handful of times and although he played “well enough” there’s something about him that concerns me about his mental toughness. I hope he proves me completely wrong on this though.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 16, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
This might be his Only Shot
From all the years, I’ve feel like he’s been in the minors; I hope he takes advantage of it just so we can unload him the following year (wheres that sarcasm button)
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I prefer no contract renegotiations
If you allow contract renegotiations, you end up being like the NFL. Every summer there are idiot football players holding out of camps because they want renegotiated deals. If the NHL allowed renegotiations, you’d have way more “I want more money now” than “I would love to help the our cap strapped team and take less money”….and I mean way more.
People can talk all day long about how hockey players are “different”, but at the end of the day pro athletes are still pro athletes.
Ditto for CNS
you'd have to have a shit-ton of rules in place
on what you can and can’t due if it were to work, otherwise yeah you have that same issue. or you can have the opposite and owners threatening players with trades if they don’t renegotiate…huet’s condition is sad, and while it would be great in his case, in the long run probably causes more harm than good
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by desertindian on Jul 16, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Well....
Since Turco already turned down $2MM a year for two years with Philly because he wants more money, I sure don’t see that happening.
by Return of the Roar on Jul 15, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
On the other side,
nobody has offered that to him yet (as far as we know).
I thought the rumor was
Turco was offered less than Leighton’s $1.5m/yr?
Thanks
It’s all coming back to me now.
by warrenjm2006 on Jul 15, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
from Toronto
The Hawks received Viktor Stalberg, Phillipe Paradis, and Christopher DiDomenico in exchange for Kris Versteeg and Bill Sweatt.
by Faustus1500 on Jul 15, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
What do we see in Stalberg that the Leafs don't
Don’t get me wrong, I hope he certainly becomes the kind of player that his potential hints at – but why did they give him up instead of their top two prospects instead? As for Scott, not sure what kind of skills Lurch has – maybe bring Beach up and have them both be on the Goon Line.
I actually sort of agree with Waylon here. Everyone just assumes because Stalberg has speed that he automatically is a 2nd liner. Dare I mention Ken Yaremchuk?
I hope he works out too. But I’d like to have a much closer look before I feel comfortable with him playing opposite Hossa.
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Stan may have insisted
on an NHL ready player with a relatively low cap hit to make sure he could fill out the roster. Other than that, I couldn’t tell ya’.
his production in the limited time he's played, plus the prior scouting analysis, might warrant this
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the leafs also didn't necessarily dislike him
Leaf fans over at PPP were very high on him….they were just much more thrilled (overall) about getting Versteeg
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by puppetmasterp on Jul 15, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
He's a 2nd liner
because we need someone to play on the 2nd line with the other 2.
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Beach is not coming up
at least until/unless somebody goes on IR and clears some cap space. He is just too expensive for us right now.
he's soft
for one. He has size but he rarely uses it. Sort of like Rick Nash when he’s not competing for a gold medal. I’m assuming this is why Burke soured on him. Maybe Q and staff can teach him it’s ok to play the puck when a defender is near him. I guess we’ll see.
tremendously tremendous
by Crease Monkey on Jul 15, 2010 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
a big guy can be a bit soft
if he has other positive features.
even if it is a rare bust of truculence – it is always a possibility that today is the day.
a little guy is always little
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by krome on Jul 15, 2010 9:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
From the video
I have seen and the articles read, he has amazing speed, good hockey IQ, decent hands and a pretty quick shot.
He performed great in pre-season and had some good showings in the regular season until he suffered a “big” hit from someone I can’t quite remember at this time. I have seen the video of the hit and it didn’t look that bad, no where near Mitchell’s hit on Toews.
Ever since that hit the scoop has been that he seemed to have lost his nerve and plays too careful now.
Hopefully his psych can clear up by playing with the good mix of veterans and young guys the Hawks will have on the ice this season. If that happens I could see him on a line with Sharpie and Hossa where his speed could be fully exploited.
Then again there were a lot of “what if” scenarios in that comment, but we can always hope!
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This is good news
I certainly don’t expect skille to fill the void left by Versteeg (as they are somewhat different players), but at 600K, I like Skille on this team. Holes in the lineup are slowly getting filled, is it the 29th yet? I’m looking forward to “The Finnish Decision.”
Ditto for CNS
As long as he doesn't stand up and say
“I’ve decided to take my talents to South Beach and, uh, play for the Florida Panthers.”
John Scott is a part of the 2010-2011 Blackhawks
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by El Duque's Raft on Jul 15, 2010 12:28 PM CDT reply actions
It definitely seems like it
I doubt Stan would have grabbed him on a 1-way deal without the intention of having him as at least a number 7 D-Man.
And he did average about 10 minutes a game with only a -3 for a low scoring team. He’s not going to be great and will probably scare the shit out of us more often than not, but it looks like he will be suiting up. At least he’ll probably beat the hell out of a few guys.
Just having him on the roster
will probably stop loads of crap vs Kane or Toews. I see him beating the crap out of the 1st one or two players who breathe on Kane (assuming they don’t pass out 1st from the alcohol breath) during exhibitions, and then sitting in the press box saying, “Who wants some?” all season long.
John Scott, according to
My old man and brother, both Wild fans, seem to think he is “adequate and serviceable.” He can play F. Old man says he is incredibly tough.
That being said, he won’t play a lot. And maybe, Q can stretch a little out of him the way he has with Sopel, Hendry or Walker.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jul 15, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
John Scott stole Sam's lunch money in middle school.
When Sam objected, Scott slammed him into the lockers and stumble-skated away. Fair to see why Sam tries to deny Scott’s existence at this point in life.
I tend to agree
Probably as the 21st man since he is able to play both Def and Forward.
able to play both Def and Forward.
He’s our new Buff!
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- James M. Barrie
yep
don’t be surprised to see Scott suit up more at F than D.
tremendously tremendous
by Crease Monkey on Jul 15, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
This shit
is making my head spin. I’m gonna wait til the Niemi deal is done or arbitration is over before I try and wrap my brain around what needs to be done to fill the roster.
I recommend drinking heavily
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by BigCSouthside on Jul 15, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
that's a standing recommendation around here.
by Katherine215 on Jul 15, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
You should listen to him. He's in Pre-Med.
by northernsails on Jul 15, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
or was the line "What's the difference?"
by northernsails on Jul 15, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
no he just stays at a Holiday Inn
How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?
I didn't realize "not drinking heavily" was a realistic option
never seriously crossed my mind to be honest with you
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by krome on Jul 15, 2010 9:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
This is pretty much what i was thinking.
I figure Stalberg is up on the 2nd line, moving Kop down to the third.
the 4th is the line that seems like a black void to me. it could very well be Pylon-Reasoner-Pylon with all of 3min of playing time per game, for all i can figure. OR maybe we can just get someone, anyone, to “play” on the 4th line by coming on and taking a penalty once or twice a game to give us more short handed opportunities to score….
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As I read this
I noticed the headline that says “Kustok laces up skates…” over on the right sidebar.
I haven't been able to
bring myself to read it. It’s like reading the soap opera magazines while in line at the grocery store: I don’t want to do it but I just can’t seem to stop myself.
by Katherine215 on Jul 15, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Not gonna lie
I just watched this today about 2 hours ago. She’s skating at Eddie O’s youth camp. I’m at work so no audio
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Kustock should be signed to play against Vancouver
I’d love to see a hair pulling cat fight between her and Burrows.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
did you see her CSN commercial?
the one at the guy’s office? Kustok’s got a wicked check!
by northernsails on Jul 15, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
not especially bright, but one tough southside broad. you probably wouldn’t want to fight her — or try to outdrink her.
Our Cup.
She's from Orland Park
Not exactly what I’d call the tough southside. That said, she scares me with her mannish mannerisms.
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by HungryHungryPanda on Jul 16, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Honestly.....
Stalberg might go up to the second line,but in the end it wont matter…..Q will mix and match and juggle his lines after the first period of the first game…lol
by Special Agent Dale Cooper on Jul 15, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
so true, so true…
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by puppetmasterp on Jul 15, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Fuck it - It's time for open tryouts
Vince Papale has to be out there somewhere. Niemi will eat up at least 2.5.
Looking at the possible lines...
how are they defensively? I know we’re looking for goals, but what about all these new guys and their back-checking skills (or lack thereof)? We played solid team defense along with the whole puck-possession thing. So how are the call-ups and newly acquired guys when it comes to getting the puck back and being responsible in their own zone?
(And pardon my ignorance but is Sam saying Beach won’t play because of his skill or his cap hit?)
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pretty sure Cap Hit
..but that a little AHL “seasoning” wouldn’t hurt
by NesterenkosGhost on Jul 15, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I would think a mixture of both
Being maturity and the cap hit that comes along with him. He needs to work on a few “anger” issues and also that 1.24 cap hit (always forget his cap hit)
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Beach will be AHL for a while due to both Cap hit & mental instability
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injuring teammates
probably doesnt help
by SergeiKrivokrasov25 on Jul 15, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Jordan Hendry
Does he not fit in to the Hawks plans? Wasnt he pretty solid, or at least serviceable for his salary?
I thought they were working on a deal with Hendry
UFA or RFA? Someone here will know.
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Hendry
is a UFA
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UFA but cheap, flexible, and experienced with this team's system.
I think he’ll be back with more mins
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see what I mean!
I thought UFA, but been trying to work out a deal to keep on the team
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Jack Skille is coming for "The Pearl"
Holy shit the poor guy has to take a pay cut to make the NHL club. There is quite a bit wrong with the current system. It should work just the opposite.
Holy Crap!
at this point it's like taking a shitty job just for the experience
even if he performs well, most likely he’ll be traded when his contract comes up…probably just trying to make any sort of splash in the NHL so he can get picked up…good call on his part
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by desertindian on Jul 15, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I like this as well
Wish more players did this, but then again, hard to turn away from the bucks when you already have them banked. Would be great if the kid finally lives up to his potential. Which is another reason why the Niemi thread earlier is so tiresome – yes, he could be a great goalie…someday. You can’t pay everyone based on just their potential, especially with this craptacular cap now.
on the same note, wasn't one of Skille's knocks, that he had the
regular season don’t-give-a-BUFFshit attitude? this should go a decent way to fixing that
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by desertindian on Jul 15, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Being ice-level at the UC
And watching a few banners rise on opening night may influence his play. I think following the ‘09/’10 Hawks throughout the playoffs and being there in the locker room w/a new piece of silverware would be a kick in the nuts for someone who is a step away from being on the big club.
Hell, taking a low-ball contract says quite a bit about his attitude. Think Kovalchuk would do something like that in order to be part of something special? Fuck no.
dead on about Kovy
he could make the Kings unbelievable if he went there, but he’s giving them a plenty hard time b/c all he really seems to want is the money.
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by puppetmasterp on Jul 15, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Kovy going to the Kings would be very good for us.
He will be a virus.
Really want to agree with you here
But his level of talent makes that tough to do.
I fear that once he gets the $ he’ll start focusing on the things that actually matter, and this concerns me. Much better if his selfish ass stays out east… or far east.
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by Campbell32 on Jul 16, 2010 1:51 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
When I hear teammates talk about him I’ve only ever heard good things, that the guy has a drive to win like very few others, and that if anything his desire to win gets a little too intense and can sometimes lead to frustration.
I’ve heard he’s a good teammate.
Ray Ferraro, for one (the kind of player I implicitly trust) was glowing about him on TSN during the Devils first round.
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This
(I always wanted to reply with that – er, this)
From having watched Skille, I don’t think that the effort is lacking. He also seems to be a decent leader in Rockford. I hope you’re right.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 16, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I should add
I don’t believe it’s a question of effort, I think it’s more a case of Versteegitis with Skille. He’s great one period and looks lost the next.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 16, 2010 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I think just about every player in Skille’s shoes would have taken this kind of cut. He’s had a handful of games, showed that he can play up here but not necessarily with consistent production. The only reason the pay cut is there is because he’s been making loads down in the AHL on his first contract as a 7th overall pick.
Not very many players looking for their second contract are going to make much more than 600k when they’ve had as few games as Skille. I really don’t think this was a steel or a discount situation; it;s what he’s worth right now.
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I know
It just seems wrong that it works that way. I hope he wins Calder and fucks everybody next year.
Holy Crap!
Especially since he is not on a entry level contract
so there will be no Calder bonus to screw with our cap next year.
Good point
I honestly didn’t understand the entire financial situation – hope he figures it out and sticks with the big club.
Skille's
getting a raise, he only made $50K last year – he was on a 2 way deal. His NHL salary was $850K + $425K in performance bonuses.
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Chances of seeing Kruger as 4th line center
Bowman seemed pretty high on Kruger. Any chance he gets brought up as the 4th line center for 700k cap hit.
man i hope so
but i’ve read rumblings on this site as well as other blogs where people were quoting “experts” or even Kruger himself that he very well may be returning to Sweden next season to “round out some more”. apparently the kid is very dedicated to improving his game (great attitude), and thats after coming off a campaign where he was nominated for Rookie of the Year in the Swedish Elite League!
I really hope he makes the big club and contends for The Calder this coming season (high hopes, i know). from all THE REPORTS i’ve read on him, he seems to have a high level of hockey IQ with some really nice hands, plus it would really help solidify our depth down the middle … but at the same time, we’ve had centers like Dowell stewing in Rockford just itching to come up, but with guys like Fraser and most recently Madden in the lineup there has been no need … i hope we can put Sharp back at wing and Bollan back at 2nd line center, this way Stan has at least two Center positions needed to be filled with cheep talent (and really, its only 1 center position seeing as how unless Dowell completely screws the pooch in training camp hes going to be centering the 3rd or 4rth line) …
how hum, slow day. I really hope to see this Kruger kid in the near to not-so-distant future (don’t even get me started on how eager i am to see Morrin get NHL ready)
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Everything
I’ve heard about kruger (here and elsewhere) is “going to be good…. in a few years”. Basically, he needs just more time to develop.
Put him Hjalmarsson's basement
and give the kid an I-PASS for his trips to Rockford.
With the new contract, Hjalmarsson should have a pretty swank pad w/plenty of IKEA shit.
just make sure he gets plenty of
meat-ball!
by northernsails on Jul 16, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I just moved to a new place, and I totally bought the JokkMokk dining set!
Now every time I eat at the kitchen table I think of Hammer and I am happy.
by blackhawkeyes on Jul 16, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I've had the JokkMokk dining set for 4 years!
Still going strong, and looking better and better with each passing day, just like our Hjammer. I also own a Toftbo.
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toftbo's are critical
you cant build a house or home without one.
by northernsails on Jul 16, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
We've been spoiled
by Toews and Kane stepping right into the NHL and being productive from day one at such a young age.
Fact is most players just aren’t ready to step into an NHL lineup at age 19, 20 or 21 and be productive. We have to give these kids some time to mature before expecting competent NHL level play.
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- James M. Barrie
I agree
that Toews & Kaner spoiled us, but I also think that there is probably a greater number of kids that are NHL ready at a young age, but the teams they play for usually have veterans filling out their lines already which allows these clubs the luxury of letting these kids get a little more seasoned in the minors.
Not saying that these kids would be stars like our 2, but certainly able to hold their own.
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Wow StanBow, props on the excellent signing.
I think everyone would be happy to see Skille get a shot at the big club, but everyone (including, apparently, him) knew his paycheck was prohibitive. So this way we all get what we want: Skille gets his NHL debut, the club gets a great forward, the cap doesn’t take a ginormous hit. Most excellent. Respect to our GM for this one.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jul 15, 2010 3:38 PM CDT reply actions
i can only take this Skille news as
he REALLY wants to play this season. I think we can all agree he’s payed his dues in ockford long enough. Good for him and good on Stan. Skille’s and Makarov’s signings make us steps closer towards being done with all the cap/roster nonsense.
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So, we look something close to this?
2010-11 CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Troy Brouwer ($1.025m)
Marian Hossa ($5.275m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m)
Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m)
- Jack Skille ($0.600m) / Marty Reasoner ($1.150m) / Robert Klinkhammer ($0.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Duncan Keith ($5.538m) / Brent Seabrook ($3.500m)
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Brian Campbell ($7.143m)
Shawn Lalonde ($0.773m) / * Jordan Hendry ($0.550m)
John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS - Antti Niemi ($2.300m) / Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 21; CAP:$59.4m; CARRY-OVER PENALTY: $4.158m;
PAYROLL: $59.775m; CAP ROOM: $-0.090m; BONUSES: $0.285m
Still not under the cap (this doesn’t even use beach, who stan seems to be high on). I think it comes down to which goalie we can convince to come to chicago for under 2 million.
you have 7 Dmen, but didn't include a 13th forward
and we’re still over the cap. There just doesn’t seem to be a way to keep Nemo without trading someone else.
Ditto for CNS
perhaps he's working on the assumption
that the 7th d-man will also be the 13th forward?
by northernsails on Jul 15, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm also
90k over the cap. Even not using beach (who has a 1.17m cap hit for the next 3 years), and using klinkhammer and dowell, who aren’t our top prospects (but are our best-cheapest guys), we can’t fit under the cap. Scott, as a D/F 7thD/13th F, is the most economical way to get a spare guy for F/D.
Basically, what I’m saying is, is that we aren’t home yet. we need to answer the goalie question, and that will frame how we get a roster of 22-23 players that we can head into the season with.
"Scott, as a D/F 7thD/13th F, is the most economical way to get a spare guy for F/D."
That’s what I thought you were saying.
by northernsails on Jul 15, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
As a rule
of thumb, I would set aside a maximum of 2 mil for a goalie (most likely not Nemo) as I really can’t see the Hawks spending anymore than that especially after winning the cup with a cheap goalie last year, they may feel like “we did it once, we can do it again”
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we can
add bickell, so we have an actual 13th Forward in bickell and a 7th D in scott, and we have a roster, but at about 600k over the cap, which means whoever we get as goalie needs to come in at about 1.7m. Somehow don’t see Niemi signing for that.
Complete speculation, maybe the management could get him for 1.7 for 1 year? That would put us in a position of getting him re-signed (again) at the same time we go after seabs.
I think, based on his performance in the playoffs
that you have to include Bickell. He’s a relatively cheap contract and has the experience and size the team needs. Plus, I’m sure q is a fan of keeping him.
by northernsails on Jul 15, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
depending on what happens wtih Niemi
there’s still a chance Reasoner gets dealt if the cap room is needed.
tremendously tremendous
by Crease Monkey on Jul 15, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
FORWARDS
Troy Brouwer ($1.025m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Jack Skille ($0.600m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.550m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Robert Klinkhammer ($0.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Duncan Keith ($5.538m) / Brent Seabrook ($3.500m)
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Brian Campbell ($7.143m)
5th D-man ($0.900m) / Ivan Vishnevskiy ($0.822m)
Jordan Hendry ($0.625m)
GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
????
ROSTER: 20; CAP:$59.4m; CARRY-OVER PENALTY: $4.158m;
PAYROLL: $57.386m;
CAP ROOM: $2.079m
I figure
If you really need to pinch pennies; Hendry is the 7th D & 13th forward
$2m in cap space to sign a starting goaltender…and you’re outta $$$. I shipped off Reasoner b/c he was acquired prior to Hjalmarsson getting and offer sheet and Antti going to arbitration. John Scott is shipped out b/c he’ll end up being waived eventually like May & Brashear.
Figure $1.5m for a starting goalie and you have $600k for I-PASS users in Rockford should something go terribly wrong. Not a big cushion at all.
Maybe Stan makes a trade for a low-buck goalie like Ellis or Biron? Beach+Niemi’s rights?
Who the hell knows. It’s also a mystery of how much EXACTLY Stan has to work with. I don’t think anyone really knows how much accounting magic was done last season and how much of Toews/Kane performance bonuses are applied to both seasons.
The $4.158m bonuses is a worst-case scenario. If Stan is good, he’ll go all ENRON and clear up this mess before October.
I think
a scenario where we ship scott is a bad one. Yeah, hes a mediocre-at-the-very-best forward/D, but he has actual experience and is tougher than a bag of hammers (and probably dumber than one too, on the ice). For 500k, i don’t think a better 21st player can be found.
If you can't afford the bag of hammers
you don’t even care how tough they are.
That’s why I’m thinking Hendry could be used as a reserve D-man/forward just like he was last season. Perhaps they’ll experiment with John Scott in this role. Who knows…
i don't understand your point
scott is a multirole player who costs 500kish a year… how do you get cheaper than that?
Scott can't skate...
Having a goon on the roster is a luxury a team in a cap-crisis may not be able to afford.
21 man roster
If we have a roster of 21 with Hendry being the 13th forward and 7th D, and we are still against the cap, we will have zero flexibility to bring players up.
I don’t know all of the rules regarding cap hits and injuries, but if a couple of players are not on LTIR, but are out for a couple of games, Hendry could fill in for one, but would we be allowed to exceed the cap to bring another guy up?
Ditto for CNS
I don't think so.
I think that’s why you can go up to 22 players. I’m pretty sure (but still could be wrong) that you can only replace salary if someone goes on LTIR; otherwise, you have to be cap compliant. Didn’t we only go with 21 at the start of last season?
by Katherine215 on Jul 16, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
who is this klinkhammer guy?
some hero of Hogan’s
/ducks from the flying boos
by northernsails on Jul 15, 2010 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Its a type of Fly Fishing fly
works well in spring
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by BigCSouthside on Jul 15, 2010 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
hmm...i've fished before
never fly fishing though.
something to consider at least
by northernsails on Jul 15, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Kinkhammer

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by BigCSouthside on Jul 15, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
odd
though I’m mostly used to fishing with worms and cheese as bait
by northernsails on Jul 15, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions
that thing is smaller than a dime
but you can get 25" fish on it
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by BigCSouthside on Jul 15, 2010 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I caught the biggest trout of my life on one of these

It’s smaller than a pea
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by BigCSouthside on Jul 15, 2010 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I really need to find some decent fishing places closer to me.
the last one was turned into an apartment complex :(
by northernsails on Jul 15, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, but when you
boat a big ass tarpon or trout on a fly you tied after a perfect cast, its all worth it
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by BigCSouthside on Jul 16, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't get me wrong
I would love to fight a big ass tarpon or even a nice snook on a fly rod, that would be a blast! Closest I get to that is when I kayak out into the surf and catch kingfish an inshore rig (Shimao Curado reel & Falcon Topwater special rod) there have been some interesting moments while being pulled out towards the first rigs by a big ass King, but it sure is fun!
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It's been a long week
I read that as “bas ass tampon.” Needless to say I was confused – Sheesh.
Have a great weekend everyone – wooo Friday!
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KLINK!!!!
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.
What number were you planning on ordering for Reasoner?
He sure as hell isn’t going to wear his old #19 in Chicago …
Or were you just joking?
For that matter, what number is John Scott going to wear? His #36 is taken.
by Don'tToewsMe on Jul 15, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I think
he just missed the sarcasm button.
This is what I got...
2010-11 CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Troy Brouwer ($1.025m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m)
- Bryan Bickell ($0.500m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / * Jack Skille ($0.600m)
Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / * Mark Cullen ($0.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brian Campbell ($7.143m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Shawn Lalonde ($0.773m) / * Jordan Hendry ($0.625m)
John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS - Antti Niemi ($2.500m) / Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 21; CAP:$59.4m; CARRY-OVER PENALTY: $4.158m;
PAYROLL: $59.400m; CAP ROOM: $0.285m; BONUSES: $0.285m
Where did Reasoner go?
bye bye? I’m still not sold on Lalonde being #5 Dman ready but I seem to be in the minority on this so I give up there.
by Katherine215 on Jul 15, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
you can plug reasoner in instead of cullen
but then the lineup goes over the cap
by northernsails on Jul 15, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
well, yeah, but he's signed
so I was wondering what you did with him.
by Katherine215 on Jul 15, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
hrm...
AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES
FORWARDS
Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m)
Marty Reasoner ($1.150m) / Troy Brouwer ($1.025m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m)
- Jack Skille ($0.600m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / * Bryan Bickell ($0.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brian Campbell ($7.143m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Shawn Lalonde ($0.773m) / * Jordan Hendry ($0.625m)
John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS - Antti Niemi ($2.500m) / Hannu Toivonen ($0.550m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 21; CAP: $59.4m; CARRY-OVER PENALTY: $4.158m
PAYROLL: $59.800m; BONUSES: $0.285m; CAP ROOM: $-0.115m
by northernsails on Jul 15, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Replace Reasoner or Kopecky
with somebody with a lower cap hit and I’d be happy with that team. Plus it might let us toss in Crawford instead of Toivonen.
maybe its nostalgia
But I really like kopecky. Rather not get rid of him. (suppose since i can’t cite specific evidence as to why we shouldn’t get rid of him, it is nostalgia)
i like that
one year makes nostalgia. We must have had a really great year for someone like Kop to become “nostalgic”. ;)
uh...
how exactly are we “replacing” either of them?
by northernsails on Jul 15, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
so they sit on the bench then?
I mean what do you do with the players being “replaced”?
by northernsails on Jul 15, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont mean to sound rude
but as Katherine correctly pointed out to me, they are both signed with the team. We have to either include them or trade them.
by northernsails on Jul 15, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, that would be what I was getting at.
You trade them and replace their spots with cheaper players. I figured that was assumed.
Who is it assumed we're trading them for?
because something’s coming back, and are teams really going to give up draft picks just to get Kop or Reasoner? Not very likely, so we’ve got a new person to put somewhere if we trade either of them. It’s just not as simple as get rid of Player X or Player Y to Team Z, who will be oh so happy to take X and Y when WE don’t want them.
/frustrated rant. Is it October yet?
by Katherine215 on Jul 15, 2010 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Breathe, Kat, breathe.
We don’t want them because of cap problems, not because they’re terrible players. I don’t see why a team in need of a 4th line center or 2nd/3rd/4th line winger wouldn’t take them. And obviously we wouldn’t be getting picks. We’d be swapping players essentially, but probably taking slightly less skilled players with a lower cap hit.
Getting rid of them wouldn’t be as hard as you might think. To us their 1 mil salaries are big but there are plenty of teams out there with the room that would be willing to take slightly better players than their current 4th liners at a 300-500k premium.
I'm breathing perfectly fine, thanks.
My point in that rant is a lot of people here seem to think it’s SO easy to just dump a player that doesn’t work in their lineup when they play with capgeek and it’s just not that simple. “Dump Kop” or “Dump Reasoner” is easier said than done.
by Katherine215 on Jul 16, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
There are 29 other teams.
A trade partner CAN be found. It’s not as hard as you think.
I agree
I think that if we had to, finding a trade partner for either Kopy or Reasoner could be pretty easy since we wouldn’t likely be asking for much in return.
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i agree with Kath
easier said than done. Even with much gentler contracts like Reasoner and Kope. A whole progression of things have to happen.
by northernsails on Jul 16, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
And we have to WANT
what the other team is going to give us in return. I’m not saying it can’t be done, just that people throw around these trades like they can happen overnight, no problem. Sort of like how we refer to salaries, “oh, it’s just a million dollars.” Reality gets suspended.
by Katherine215 on Jul 16, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Reality gets suspended.
That’s the beauty of these blogs.
We get to have all the fun of throwing around theses ideas and playing make believe with none of the responsibility.
Sort of like being 12 years old again.
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- James M. Barrie
Do you think
the Hawks’ organization has a guy/girl that sits around all day checking out the fan posts and then taking the best ideas up to Stan & Scotty to be reviewed?
Sounds far fetched, but it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if it has happened before.
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Couldn't hurt really.
There is no such thing as a monopoly on ideas in this world, so even the ‘unwashed masses’ can get it right on occasion :D
by northernsails on Jul 16, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
for shits and giggles
how much worse are we with a Crawford / Toivonen than we were last season with Huet / Niemi?
are we talking catastrophic disaster difference?
We get to be Stan-for-a-day
Alright then. Here’s a scenario. Lose the Reasoner and Kopecky salaries. Sign Modano and Wellwood. Bring Nemo in at $2m. And you might have this:
FORWARDS
Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Troy Brouwer ($1.025m) / * Jack Skille ($0.600m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / * Mike Modano ($0.610m)
Igor Makarov ($0.552m) / * Kyle Wellwood ($1.000m) / * Bryan Bickell ($0.550m)
Jake Dowell ($0.525m)
DEFENSEMEN
Duncan Keith ($5.538m) / Brent Seabrook ($3.500m)
Brian Campbell ($7.143m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
- Jordan Hendry ($0.625m) / Ivan Vishnevskiy ($0.822m)
John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS - Antti Niemi ($2.000m) / Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 22; CAP:$59.4m; CARRY-OVER PENALTY: $4.158m;
PAYROLL: $59.461m; CAP ROOM: $0.004m; BONUSES: $0.065m
WWTD?
A more realistic roster
at this moment might look like this:
FORWARDS
Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / * Bryan Bickell ($0.550m)
Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Troy Brouwer ($1.025m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m)
- Jack Skille ($0.600m) / Marty Reasoner ($1.150m) / Igor Makarov ($0.552m)
Jake Dowell ($0.525m)
DEFENSEMEN
Duncan Keith ($5.538m) / Brent Seabrook ($3.500m)
Brian Campbell ($7.143m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Ivan Vishnevskiy ($0.822m) / * Jordan Hendry ($0.625m)
John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS - Antti Turco ($1.250m) / Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 22; CAP:$59.4m; CARRY-OVER PENALTY: $4.158m;
PAYROLL: $59.401m; CAP ROOM: $0.014m; BONUSES: $0.065m
WWTD?
I dont know if we can get either Turco or Nemo for that little
we should be so lucky though.
by northernsails on Jul 15, 2010 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry
but the concept of a Crawford-Toivonen goalie pair causes me to double over in Salo-type agony.
WWTD?
ouch
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by BigCSouthside on Jul 15, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Trade someone else.
"....we have to find a way to win. And good teams do that."
Tomas Kopecky May 29, 2010
who and to where?
and what’s coming back?
by Katherine215 on Jul 15, 2010 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
sharpie
i’m starting to resign myself to the fact that he may need to be sent packing. If they do so, I would want a good goalie in return, and I’d like to see Niemi sent packing.
We need to set ourselves up for a few years down the line and I’d rather go through the deep pain of losing Sharpie by setting ourselves nicely in a position we’re very weak at at the AHL/minor league level.
If we ship out Sharpie
we would have the cap room to sign Niemi. I don’t see the reason for saying “bye” to Niemi if we now have the cap room to sign him.
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I'm not big on proposing trades
because I’m never sure how realistic they are from the other team’s perspective
But what about trading Sharp and a high prospect or two for Jonathan Quick and Wayne Simmonds. With the Kings being high on Bernier in Goal, maybe they’d do something like this.
If you get Quick, you let Nemo walk, and this way, with Quick’s 1.8 cap hit over the next 3 years, you have plenty of money for Seabrook, Brouwer, and Simmonds (who will be an RFA).
I know this would really hurt our depth at center, but we’d have enough money to go pick up a decent 3rd line center if we don’t think Reasoner can get it done.
Sharp is a much much different player than Simmonds, but Simmonds is so young and he can replace some of the power forwards we’ve lost.
Commence telling me this is stupid. Which it probably is if the Kings wouldn’t get rid of Simmonds.
Ditto for CNS
The Kings
are already such a dangerous team. I would be really scared to send them Sharp. I’m sure the kings would do it in a heartbeat though because it means that they could completely walk away from Kovy.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
Losing Sharp would be rough
and Quick may not end up being a better goalie than Nemo, but I’d rather pay Quick 1.8 than I would Nemo 3-3.5. Quick didn’t have the best series against Vancouver, but he started way too many games last year. I think if he would’ve been a bit more rested, he would’ve been better.
Sharp is versatile, a great teammate, a leader, and a beautiful man, but our cap situation is so F’d right now that we have to do something drastic. I’d like us to have some cap flexibility going into next year so that we don’t have to do this all over again.
In limited viewings, I love what I’ve seen from Simmonds and would like to see him in the indianhead.
Proposing trades is silly though, it’s not like we have any influence on what Bowman will do, but they are fun to talk about.
Ditto for CNS
I think this is very reasonable.
Would be very beneficial, though painful, to us.
The only thing that gives me pause is I’m not sure L.A. would give both Quick & Simmonds with only one proven player coming their way.
I’m thinking they might want more than a couple prospects in addition to Sharp.
I’m thinking maybe add Niemi to the deal as a sign & trade? But I don’t know what L.A.’s cap situation is. Could they afford Niemi if he gets big $$ in arbitration?
"Life is a long lesson in humility."
- James M. Barrie
They definitely won't want niemi
Since Bernier would be the man in goal. I think if the prospects were good enough, they’d really consider the trade.
The big thing is, they really want a sniper, but Kovy money is going to hurt them since they are worried about re-signing Doughty. Sharp would give them a sniper (and maybe better two way player than Kovy) while allowing them the necessary cap space going forward. LA would be adding a relatively young veteran who helped lead a young team to a cup.
Ditto for CNS
Makes sense
But Bernier is an unknown/unproven quanitity. Wouldn’t they like the insurance of a guy who backstopped his team to the Cup?
But like you said, this is just all fantasyland stuff. Fun for us fans to play with!
"Life is a long lesson in humility."
- James M. Barrie
Trading Sharp sends a bad signal
JMHO here – but if they trade Sharp then most of their newbie fans (and some longtime ones) will realize that they’re basically conceding next year, if they weren’t doing that already. The new fan base could probably handle it, but I wouldn’t recommend taking that chance – they’re already going to have heart attacks when Niemi’s gone, can you imagine the shrieking if Sharpie’s dealt? Not to mention he does so many things well – one of the best two way players on the team. I pass on this scenario.
passing on it from a hockey standpoint
is understandable. Passing on it from a fan reaction standpoint is stupid. Upper management needs to do what is best for this team to keep it competitive in the future (I’m not saying that the trade 100% does that). I’m afraid that the Hawks are going to get backed in to a corner and have to trade sharp and I’d rather have them pick up some NHL ready talent than a bunch of really high prospects. Plus I hate the idea of paying Nemo anything north of 3 mil.
Trading sharp for high prospects so that we can overpay Nemo would make me unhappy.
Ditto for CNS
when I say upper management
I mean front office. Sometimes I get real job confused with sports job.
Ditto for CNS
I would be amazed
If we see any movement of players (outside of soupy) before we have a decision one way or another on Niemi – either a deal prior to arbitration or at arbitration. If we get niemi cheap, we can come in with a full roster under the cap. If we can’t get niemi (or turco) then its time to look at a trade.
I think if stan gets an opportunity to make a good deal on soupy… it happens. He’s an amazing player, but the contract is crap. I don’t want to lose him, but dropping that 7ish cap hit solves our problems for the next few years.
by oregon_hawk on Jul 16, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
asking soup to waive his NTC to go the Isles
Soup: You want to trade me where?
StanBow: The Islanders
Soup: Where??
by northernsails on Jul 16, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
they’re basically conceding next year
Have to disagree on this part.
Quick & Simmonds coming here in this scenario actually gives us a boost because it would give us a bit more cap flexibility for maintaining the quality depth for next season that most seem to think was one of the major keys to the Hawks success.
"Life is a long lesson in humility."
- James M. Barrie
People are going to hate this but at the cost of Patrick Sharp I would take Quick and Simmonds in a second.
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by HjammerTime on Jul 16, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Sharp
Is my 2nd fav. player on the team after the Hoss – I’d hate to lose him. But, cap solutions don’t often involve those considerations.
by oregon_hawk on Jul 16, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Simmonds is an idiot
The guy plays hockey like there’s rocks in his head.
I’d rather have Wellwood…
what?
You’d rather have Kyle Wellwwood (@ age 27) than Wayne Simmonds (soon to be 22)?
Wellwood is never going to be much more than he is right now, Simmonds has a ton of untapped potential. Simmonds had 40 points and was a +22 last year, for comparisons sake here are Versteeg’s numbers from last year – 44 points and +8.
With Wellwood being a center and Simmonds being a right winger, I’m not sure why we’re comparing them anyway.
Ditto for CNS
Simmonds is dumb @ 22
and will continue his room-temp IQ into perpetuity.
Simple commands, such as ‘go over there’, fly over the guy’s head. Watch a few LA games and especially notice set faceoffs. The guy is a moron…talented…but still a moron.
the folks over at Jewels from the Crown
seem to like Simmonds, do you watch more Kings games than them?
So if you were the LA GM, you’d do a wellwood for Simmonds straight swap?
Ditto for CNS
Well...I did live in CA
Since Wellwood is a UFA and Simmonds is an RFA…straight swaps are not possible.
Simmonds has no use in Chicago as long as Brouwer, Kopecky, & Bickell are in town. They’re all smarter and have the same skill set.
Jesse Jackson says hello.
Kopecky hit a whopping 21 pts this year, his career high. Bickell hasn’t played more than a few games, but I’d expect him to come in similarly to Kop.
Simmonds had 40 points last year. Not bad. In fact, he is most
directly comparable to Brouwer (who also had 40, a bit more goal-heavy) but why is it bad to get another player with this skill set?
It would be nice to have 2 of Troy Brouwer now that Buff and Ladd are gone. Plus Simmonds fills in the important token black guy role.
Not that I think trading Sharp is a good idea. It isn’t, at least not for anything which includes a goalie. But you could do a lot worse than Wayne Simmonds, especially with the Hawks style of play.
by Canseco's Roid Party on Jul 16, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
the other thing you guys aren't factoring in
is cap hit. Bickell has a much lower hit than Simmonds. Do I think he’ll produce 40 points next season? Maybe, maybe not. But he’s a cheap contract who had some decent playing time during the playoffs last season. That will always factor into any GM’s decision.
by northernsails on Jul 16, 2010 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Canseco
left wing lock – that’s Bowman/Q hockey.
If you look at the Hawks, you’ll notice that the left wings tend to be bigger, defensive minded, and smart.
Simmonds will fail in that system b/c he’s a moron. Unless Q goes on the ice w/a can of spray paint and sprays a big fucking arrow that says “move here” – Simmonds will be a liability.
LA does not play Quenville hockey. They’re much different animals.
And Jesse Jackson can kiss my white ass…when he’s done spitting in the food that is.
Wow
You really hate Simmonds. Every game I’ve seen him play he’s been impressive. Reminds me a lot of TJ Oshie.
Simmonds isn’t going to dazzle anyone with highlight reel plays, but I think he’d do phenomenal digging pucks for either of out top 2 lines, and he’d chip in, too.
www.mjt.org
It's the other side of the puck
where he fails.
And it’s not just a brain-fart either; the dude doesn’t understand the game aside from “get the puck”.
People always talk about the guy, he skates well & works hard, so I always paid more attention to him. Set plays; he’s clueless. If someone else has the puck on his team – he doesn’t ‘lose himself’ or head to the net…he just kinda stands there.
He was rushed into the NHL. Not his fault, but it is what it is.
NO friggn way! Sharp has to stay. That guy was my MVP for the playoffs. Not only were his stats impressive but his goals were often very timely. That guy is more than worth his contract.
I like Niemi too, but to much importance is being put on him when in fact the Hawks defense was quite strong and blocked many shots and cleared many rebounds for him..
Completely off topic....
Love the avatar. Archer cracked my ass up. Thank God it got renewed. Can’t wait for the new season.
"Life is a long lesson in humility."
- James M. Barrie
well...
unfortunately for us, we need to figure out a way out of this cap hell that will position us for the future.
If it has to be Sharp, I’ll live with it, as long as the pieces in return make sense for us. I’m no longer in defensive mode at this point. I want us to build a team that’s going to destroy the rest of the league in 3 years, and do it for multiple years. I’m not certain that Sharp will be one that fits our long-term plans. Although I truly love the player and leader he is.
STOP IT RIGHT THERE!
Without Patrick Sharp, the Hawks are not defending champs.
He made THE crucial play for the team this year- Game 2 against Vancouver (the Hawks lowest ebb.)
He’s THAT kind of player- a bit mercurial, up and down (see Versteeg), but much more consistent this past year, did what the team asked (PP point, center), no problem being overshadowed, but a core player nonetheless.
And a guy who rises to the occasion. – playoff MVP in my book.
All you guys with priapic Hossa-issues, the thing about that cyborg is his one speed (see , to a lesser extent, Toews.) It’s frickin’ amazing and crucial over a 82-game season, but…
You see, most blokes, you know, will be playing at ten. You’re on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you’re on ten on your guitar. Where can you go from there? Where?
Maybe this isn’t quite right, but I had to throw it in. Maybe Sharp only plays at 8 or 9, unlike cyborg, which is why he’s a level below elite, but damn, he can turn it up a notch, and knows when to.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
you yelling?
and yeah, I’m past this type of thinking. If the pieces that come back to us are right, I’m willing to take them.
it’s not that it’ll be impossible to win another championship next year, it’s just very unlikely. Plus, the reality of our situation says we need to shed salary.
Now, the team could feasibly think that keeping Sharp is in our best longer term interests of the team. We can instead plan on letting Seabs go next year to give us some flexibility to address other needs. That could work, considering we’ll be ushering in some pretty good prospects on D in the coming years. But keeping Sharpie means we’ll suffer in terms of cap space this year and continue to be hamstrung going into the next few years if we decide to keep both Sharp and a resigned Seabs.
The problem is
the “right pieces” that you mention will probably either have a higher Cap hit than Sharp (if we’re getting an equally talented player or 2-3 fairly good players) or will be pretty good picks/prospects/young players (P/P/YP) that teams will be reluctant to part with.
Sharp’s $3.9mil Cap hit is low for a player of his skill & versatility; trading him isn’t sensible Cap-wise, unless you’re taking the aforementioned P/P/YP, which almost certainly means writing off next season.
That said, something has to give, esp. with Hjammer’s resigning and Seabs’ upcoming extension. I think StanBow might trade Sharp for some very promising P/P/YP and hopes they become good enough for 2011/12 or 2012/13 (or both!) to be our year.
painfully so...
I’d hate to see Sharpie go, but realistically, there are few options right now that don’t hurt us short and long-term. The one alternative that could save us is Soupy getting moved, but as we all know, he’s not going to fetch the same interest as Sharpie, for obvious reasons.
In any regard, I agree with everything you say in terms of Sharp being a bargain for what he brings, I’m a huge fan of his. I’m not sure I ever understood how awesome he was until I saw him in live action.
I haven't seen him live
and probably won’t be able to, depending on when I finally manage to go to Chicago, but the only proof I need is the tying goal to make it 3-3 in Game 1 of the SCF and that awesome 6th goal in Game 5 of the SCF. Those two shots were fucking unreal.
seriously
they might as well merge the Wolves and IceHogs since they’re practically the same organization.
by northernsails on Jul 16, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Salo the movie reference?
Wow that bad?!!! Well, at least you didn’t “Martyrs” like agony.
...now THAT is some pricey stuff you be smokin there
puff puff pass, dude?
by northernsails on Jul 15, 2010 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
On Lalonde
I’m not sold either, but looking at capgeek…. i don’t see a lot of options. I’d like to have boynton, but hes a 1.5m UFA, so he’d have to take a hefty pay cut too, to come back here.
I'm not sold on LaLonde
but maybe, just maybe, he’ll get spurred into trying to make a difference like Skille apparently is. Maybe.
hmm…we might be able to reconcile that last one by replacing Hendry with Cullimore…
by northernsails on Jul 15, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, it works...barely
we’d wind up with a total of $10,077 of cap space.
by northernsails on Jul 15, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not his motivation that worries me,
more the lack of experience (8 AHL games!). Is that Vishnevsky (spelling?) guy closer to NHL ready I wonder? Or someone like Hendry from Rockford?
by Katherine215 on Jul 15, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Vishnevskiy has a higher cap hit than lalonde
so you want to replace lalonde with hendry and then what? scott as his partner?
by northernsails on Jul 15, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Possibly.
We don’t know what Scott can do and he is cheap. I would like to see a lower cap hit for the starting goalie (Niemi or someone else). This is why I don’t make the decisions!
by Katherine215 on Jul 15, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
believe me, i get the need to stay below the cap
that’s how I worked that capgeek thing. But are you really willing to entrust a young guy like hendry to being partnered with an immobile goon like Scott?
by northernsails on Jul 15, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
well, he was with
the immobile Sopel…right? RIGHT?
I GIVE UP.
by Katherine215 on Jul 15, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
wow, frustration really set in today, huh?
good thing it’s almost friday….
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
by puppetmasterp on Jul 15, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I figure why stress over all of this
There’s nothing I can do about it anyway. It’s not like I make the deals and sign the checks. I just want it all done so I can see who we have signed and know exactly what our roster is.
How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?
Little bit, yeah.
I just was so annoyed reading through all these random “trade this person for that person” scenarios that I lost my head a bit.
And then this morning, Eric and Kathy were talking about the Hawks on the radio when my alarm went off and first thing I hear is Eric, hockey pro that he is, virtually guaranteeing the Hawks wouldn’t walk away from Niemi because he’d won the Cup “and it would be a PR disaster.” I pulled the blankets over my head.
by Katherine215 on Jul 16, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Your alarm is set to the mix!?
No wonder you’ve been cranky lately ;)
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jul 16, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I like the Mix!
Except when they talk about hockey. Then even I want to kick puppies.
by Katherine215 on Jul 16, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Okay, fine
But their billboards really make me want to kick puppies, and I work in the pet care industry.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jul 16, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I hate their billboards.
And Kathy is very often useless. I enjoy Eric and Mark Suppelsa but they would have no one to make fun of if Kathy and Melissa were gone. I’m very particular about my morning radio, as you can see!
by Katherine215 on Jul 16, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
hrm...
not sure why you’d even give any credence at all to the rantings of someone in Music radio. it’s not in their job description to hold intelligent sports conversations on-air.
by northernsails on Jul 16, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh, I don't.
I was saying that that’s the stupid shit I woke up to this morning. I don’t listen to them for their hockey talk, obviously.
by Katherine215 on Jul 16, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
ah gotcha
I still wake up to the sun’s rays. Not at dawn, mind you, it just wakes me up more consistently than my alarm.
by northernsails on Jul 16, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Let’s take solace in the fact that we haven’t seen Stan Bowman cry in public yet. And also int he fact that he’s smarter than us when it comes to ALL of this shit.
I’m not concerned, really. I mean, it’s fun to speculate, but Stan and Bob LeDonne have got this. They’ve thought through the various scenarios and have a coherent plan for each.
www.mjt.org
almost exactly
Let’s take solace in the fact that we haven’t seen Stan Bowman cry in public yet. And also in thefacthope that he’s smarter than us when it comes to ALL of this shit.
If it weren’t for Hi I’m bob LeDonne, I’d be VERY nervous.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
Who's to say
WHy can’t we save the 300k cap room and have toivonen as our backup goaltender
i tried that, yeah.
I agree with oregonhawk. if Niemi stays for less than 2.5 (i’m wishing there) then they should be able to field a good team that stays under the cap
by northernsails on Jul 15, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
is it the 29th yet?
id like to get all this over with please.
"It's The Chicago Blackhawks, man." ~ Jeremy Roenick, June 9th, 2010.
who am i kidding? IS IT OCTOBER YET??
i can’t stand to watch anymore baseball … anyone see THIS? im thinking about going, at least for the signings.
"It's The Chicago Blackhawks, man." ~ Jeremy Roenick, June 9th, 2010.
Interesting list of players signing autographs.
Looks just like the list of players “one of whom may have to leave” if we keep Niemi at too high a price. Coincidence or are the Hawks sending a message?
I wondered that too!
You have to think someone else could do it if there was ANY chance one of them might be leaving. But maybe I’m just hoping.
by Katherine215 on Jul 15, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed on the baseball
Even though the sox are doing welll; it just bores me. Maybe because I finally got to see a cup instead of watching scum or someone else win it that it’s REALLY taken my attention away.
2009-2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Chicago Blackhawks
For me baseball has taken a back seat
Because I remember how much fun professional hockey is to watch, better than all sports. this had been forgotten back when I saw inconsistent effort at best some years. Let’s say hawks don’t even make playoff next year, at least I know they’ll be physical and put forth exciting effort every game. When that was lacking, it was easy to carr about baseball. Hell, I even watched the bulls for a season there
by OMFS88 on Jul 15, 2010 5:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Hrm..
Kinda thinking about driving over to Chicagoland for this from Iowa… Bolland is my favorite “non-headliner” player now that Ladd is gone.
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Jul 15, 2010 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
okay so new question
lets say we fill out the roster and its fairly recognizable. we’re looking good, we’re about 19 cents below the cap…and someone gets hurt, and we need to call someone up. what’s the rule, in terms of the cap? would the call up be required to have a salary less than or equal to the injured player?
example:
we’re literally just below the cap, and skille and his 600k contract get hurt. are we not allowed to call up player x making 1M?
CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS-2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS!
I shouldn't do this
But with no actual evidence and only 2nd hand knowledge of the CBA, i believe we are required to be cap-compliant at puckdrop every night. so… the answer would be yes. If we are literally at the cap and a 600k contract goes down, only a 600 or less contract can come up.
And here’s a handful of salt, to go with my answer.
that would mean we could potentially sign a high-level free agent
if one went down with an injury. But what happens when the injured player comes back to full health. Can we simply not suit him?
by northernsails on Jul 15, 2010 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
this is a never ending circular question
and its making my head hurt.
if oregon_hawk is right, that would mean that it is a complete necessity to have 2 or 3 guys in rockford playing for no more than $500K, whose roles are 100% “fill in for x amount of games while a blackhawk is hurt, then go back down”.
CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS-2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS!
actually, the question was mostly said tongue-in-cheek.
but I guess there isn’t a button for that.
by northernsails on Jul 15, 2010 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
And this is only if we put the player on LTIR
Which means they are out for 10 games at least. Players put on LTIR can be replaced by someone with the same cap hit or less and the original player’s cap hit still counts.
If someone is only going to be injured for a couple of games and we don’t want them sitting out 10 (like Toews, Kane, Hossa, etc.), we wouldn’t be able to bring up another player to replace them. This is why we need to fit at least 21 players, if not 22 under the cap. I think they will shoot for 21 players, with Scott and Hendry both able to play F and D.
I’m wondering if we could give an I-Pass to someone like Brouwer, so that he is only on the roster on game days and we only carry the 20 player minimum the rest of the time. Doing it with Brouwer would give us more relief than one of the other Rockford players. But I’m not sure what rules they have regarding practice.
Brouwer
Brouwer has a one way contract. So he would have to pass through waivers both ways. Not doable.
The only guy that is (so far) on a two way is Stalberg. You would have to look at what his waiver rules would be. I thought he wasn’t immune to waivers either but you would have to check.
well if we didn't have the cap
to argue about, erm…“discuss”, then we might be posting stories like this.
Though I think Bluliner’s umbrella story beats it. We have plenty of comparable stories, they just don’t become mainpage articles…hee hee.
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
lol!
wow…the schadenfreude is bubbling up in me now.
by northernsails on Jul 15, 2010 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
If we can't re-sign Niemi...
Would anyone consider Ray Emery? He only made $1.5 mil last year, and since he’s coming off an injury, maybe would take a cut to play with the defending champs. He performed decently on a terribly underachieving Flyers team last year (well during the regular season at least).
Emery has an iffy locker room reputation
I’d be concerned about him – but don’t know precisely what his personality issues are so as to opine decisively
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
by krome on Jul 15, 2010 9:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ahhhh....
See, now I was unaware of that. To me that’s a big deal. So if he’s a wanker, then pass…
by ProgMichael on Jul 15, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I read something somewhere
that the Flyers were leery of how well he’d recovered from the injury which is why they didn’t sign him. Maybe?
by Katherine215 on Jul 15, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Avascular necrosis
Poor blood supply to his hip kills bone tissue. Genetic. Career-threatening.
Reportedly he was a positive in the locker room, contrary to his rep.
He was their best goalie last year when healthy. Quick.
by flyersfaninchicago on Jul 16, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions
AVN would definitely be a career killer for a goalie
From what I understand it can be extremely painful and affects your mobility.
How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?
and eventually
leads to early hip replacement, right?
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
by puppetmasterp on Jul 16, 2010 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I know it's been said before, but...
This CAP shit needs to be altered a bit. This punishment for winning shit… This forcing teams to offload everybody to promote parity…
I just don’t like it. It makes it very difficult for players to stick with one team. I’m not advocating some sort of screwed up MLB/NBA system, but we can surely do better than this. I’m hoping that Russia will force the NHL to tweak things a bit to stay competitive in the free agent market.
It's the Chicago Blackhawks man...
by Campbell32 on Jul 16, 2010 2:03 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I don’t know how it works, but I do like the discount NBA teams get for keeping the players they draft. That’s right, isn’t it? I’m not a basketball guy, but I think that’s it.
www.mjt.org
we screwed ourselves
with our contracts. Hoisted by our own petard. 7m for soupy and 5ish for huet? whatever. Those were mistakes, big time, and now we pay the piper by having to deal with it.
by oregon_hawk on Jul 16, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
the cap is not at fault here. everyone has to deal with it, everyone is under the same gun.
the issue is players second contracts. the entry level deals keep salaries low and pay bonuses for playing very well. when someone hits all their bonuses you’re not upset about paying the money because of what it means (a stanley cup). but its the second contracts that can make or break a team. palyers are rfa’s and are generally un-poachable. the power rests with the team and it’s up to the team to get the best deal possible. handing out $3mm contracts based on potential (buff) or a clerical error (barker, versteeg) is not the way to go. it’s better to get players for good low number and force them to continue to prove themselves until they’re part of the core or they’re not. brower is a good example of a solid second contract.
the hawks mistakes with their second contracts, combined with having to overpay free agents to come here when the team was coming out of being very very bad (huet and campbell) has put them in this situation. they have nobody to blame but themselves.
there was always going to be turnover. i read somewhere how scotty bowman always liked to turn over some part of his roster after a championship to avoid complacency. you want new blood and a new spark in the room.
sorry that was long winded but blaming the cap isn’t right. blame management. and from what i see this management (stan) has inherited a bad situation and done well with it so far. the key will be over the next few years to manage the second contracts of those players that pan out well (beach, hayes, lalonde, etc) and not hamper the team.
I don't think anyone (well, maybe some) is blaming the cap
and although I’m not an NBA fan, I do like the whole “hometown discount” concept they have when you resign one of your players. It might help bring more stability to the rosters, which in turn could help increase interest.
I personally have no problem with the bonus hits. Hell, they were part of the negotiated contracts and had the Hawks not won the Cup or Toews and Kane got other additional performance bonuses, they would have worked in our favor.
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 16, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
i go back and forth on the nba thing.
the nba has a soft cap where if you go over the cap you pay a luxury tax up to a hard cap. so if a team is doing well they can spend a little more and pay the tax. this year i like that idea because we could have gone over and kept a player or two. but at the same time it could cause more ridiculous (scott gomez) contracts.
i also like the hometown thing, but other then hearing about “sign and trades” during the lebron debacle i’m not up on how that works.
Thanks modnar,
Good explaination. I’m not all that in the know with the way all this cap stuff works, but this was pretty easy to make sense of.
It's the Chicago Blackhawks man...
by Campbell32 on Jul 16, 2010 10:51 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with you mostly, modnar, but it’s pretty tough to compare Brouwer’s 2nd contract with Versteeg’s and Barker’s. Brouwer was an AHL scorer who seemed to demonstrate he didn’t have an NHL touch, while Versteeg was a Calder nominee and Barker was a 3rd overall pick who was qb’ing the power play. A second contract for those kinds of young players is going to be higher than most … I doubt even without the snafu that we’d have been paying less than 2.3 or 2.5 for each.
www.mjt.org
Taking some solace
In the fact that we didn’t just sign Mikko Koivu to a 7 year extension worth 6.75 per year. There sure are some terrible GMs in this league.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jul 16, 2010 11:11 AM CDT reply actions
There sure are some terrible GMs in this league.
Makes you wonder what what said when we signed Campbell?? There’s making a splash in the free agent market – and then there’s the “cannonballlll!”
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 16, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
The Koivu contract just seems weird, though
They didn’t really have to make a splash, he was already their guy. I just think it’s weird to give a guy who isn’t really a cornerstone type guy a cornerstone contract. Then again, it’s the Wild.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jul 16, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Their blog thought Kop would be an upgrade on their 1st or 2nd line!
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 16, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
our boy Barker must be licking his chops.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jul 16, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
i remember an article from last summer by alan muir (si.com) talking about the hossa contract being an albatross that the hawks would regret for years to come.
Personally,
I think Panda’s contract is okay. Because of the cheap years at the end its cap hit is reasonable considering his talent. The problem contracts are Soupy’s plus the extra few mil Talon gave to last year’s RFAs. If it wasn’t for those, we would have no problems.
by stanfordron on Jul 16, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking about that same article today as I read his bullshit about our problems just beginning.
Fuck Sports Illustrated.
19-88-81-2-7-10-36-4-51 : The Hawks
by HjammerTime on Jul 16, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Hawks are rolling the dice on Niemi
Here is what I conclude…..the Hawks can’t trade Campbell, don’t want to trade Sharp and really like Niemi. But if a deal hasn’t been struck with Niemi by now then the Hawks are rolling the dice and this thing goes to arbitration, where they cross their fingers that the process results in no more than a $2 million salary. Anything greater than that and the Hawks are forced to walk away and let Niemi become an unrestricted free agent.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Jack Skille is not good
The 2010-11 season is a year of transition no matter how you slice it. To even be thinking of Skille as a regular on the 2nd or 3rd line makes me ill.
Here is to the 2011-12 season and beyond. At least we won the Cup to tide me over for a year or two.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
So we'll see you then?
Did you think they would win the cup last season?
Skille didn’t get his shot last year because $$ had a lot to do with it. Who would have thought Versteeg would turn out to be what he was?
This is why they play the games. Watch it. Enjoy it! I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
Holy Crap!
10+ goals 20+ assist and +/- 0
That is my prediction for Skille. Bookmark it. We’ll see how it plays out.
Holy Crap!
Duly noted
Friday, 16 July 2010, laaarmer makes bold prediciton concerning Skille. Factotum, note accordingling in the Tome of SCH
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by BigCSouthside on Jul 16, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
accordingly*
fuck you computer for thinking you talk gooder than me
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by BigCSouthside on Jul 16, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I will buy myself many drinks in celebration of my accurate prediction
If he’s traded, the flogging may begin, but still watch the stats.
Holy Crap!
I thought it was a beer
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jul 16, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
yep
its made by Honda, they are really diversifying
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by BigCSouthside on Jul 16, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
BLou: the eternal pessimist
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jul 16, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
give psych patients shotguns?
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by BigCSouthside on Jul 16, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Shooting imaginary clowns
is better than what you threatened to do to the puppies.
that was a shrewd negotiating tactic
you should recognize this as such, counselor
FOR SALE: pair of shoes, red, size 32 1/2 wide. Please direct all bids to Joel Quenneville, Chicago Blackhawks. Clown horn sold seperately. Also for sale: 328 dogs+1 pistol (bargain price for Leafs fans!)
by BigCSouthside on Jul 16, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Until somebody calls your bluff
and puppies must pay the price.
Off-topic: Time to get off the keyboard and on the ice
I think I can find 13-18 skaters who are devoted fans of teams the Blackhawks vanquished in the playoffs. Can we gather the same number who are SCH regulars for two hours of ice time sometime in the next month or so at some rink not too far away?
- No-check (I know, it sucks)
- Co-ed
- Balanced rosters (ringers; can-barely-skaters)
- You all wear your red Hawks jerseys – because they’re so pretty – and we’re in white
- Salary cap at $99.95 for both sides.
It’s understood that judging skill level is subjective so let’s not get too hung up on it. Obviously if you can play in the NHL you’re probably a ringer. If you can play for the Maple Leafs then probably not.
by flyersfaninchicago on Jul 16, 2010 5:22 PM CDT reply actions
that sounds interesting - but I'd likely be out of town if it is any time soon
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Once we get the contract with Versus we'll have chances to play later
I think their show “Vole Hunting Kalashnikov Style” is not being renewed this fall.
by flyersfaninchicago on Jul 16, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
interesting thought
and by interesting i mean “potentially hilariously comical…..” I mean i’m willing, but i can’t stick handle for my life and somewhat skate. so i guess you could all have a few laughs at my expense.
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
by puppetmasterp on Jul 17, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
hmm...
well, I haven’t skated in years (oh god, blisters again…), and have never played ice hockey – only floor hockey.
Otherwise, I’d be willing just to come for the lolz & take pictures of everyone playing. Maybe scream for blood on the ice and pound the glass for good measure as well. :)
I would be up for this part!
I can’t really skate much going forward, and backward is out of the question (unless I’ve somehow lost control and am sliding backwards on my ass to the boards). But I can cheer and swear with the best of ’em!
by Katherine215 on Jul 17, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I played broomball in college
Does that count? I haven’t skated in a decade :P
"Kane is skating as if his mullet is on fire." - 6/9/10, 10:06PM CST
Been trying to find skating lessons
because when I try to stop I end up falling or doing a figure 8 or a classic t-stop. I can go forward, backwards no way. Working on my stick handling but need to get better because it’s been 17 years since I really played and me no good anymore
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Chicago Blackhawks
great! ok, so it's you and puppet.
and a cheering section.
why did i think there was a prodigious hockey-playing contingent among you?
well, it was worth a try.
by flyersfaninchicago on Jul 19, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
well i think there is to a degree
but a few of them are out of state (i believe laarmer plays, but he’s in michigan, and probably at least one other), and krome plays but sounds like he’ll be out of town or something in the near future. McClure also plays, but have no clue on participation availability
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
by puppetmasterp on Jul 19, 2010 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
summer is tough
try again when it’s cold and hockey is in the bones
by flyersfaninchicago on Jul 19, 2010 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Back to Reasoner and Kopecky...
I’m still trying to figure out why the Hawks accepted Reasoner and his $1million plus contract in that trade??? I’m thinking Jake Dowell for 4th line center instead.
If it’s my call, I would definitly try to trade Reasoner and Kopecky. I realize that Kopecky has some raw talent but he just seems sloppy on his skates and inconsistent( Plus thats another $1 million + off the books).
Why Reasoner
I thought I understood Stan’s logic here. If you are going to go young on the wings, you want the Centers on these last two lines to be experienced.
Basically, you had Madden as your fourth line center last year. Played him with Bolland in your zone draws. Its a far dropoff from Madden to Reasoner but not as far as a dropoff as it would be from Madden back to Fraser.
As for Dowell you need a fourth center just in case of injuries. If you are going to start with Sharp as a center then you are already using your backup plan…
To me the problem with Stan’s plan is that he wasn’t expecting DW and the Sharks offer sheet. That really did “gum up the works”, imo, of the Reasoner and Scott moves. He’s got a lot less money to play with then he expected…
Can Reasoner fill a spot on the PK?
By my count, the Hawks are down two forwards there (breathe easy- Toews, Hossa, Bolland, Sharp) with few obvious candidates in sight.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
Reasoner on the PK?
You might want to ask the C&B guys but I thought the synopsis for Reasoner was “a checking line center known for his PK skills.”
Reasoner seemed to be an economical version of Madden
Madden-lite for play and Cap hit
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Reasoner
may have been a “must” part of the deal for Atlanta to do it; something like, OK we’ll take so and so and give you so and so, but you have to take Reasoner. I have my doubts that Stan demanded he get Reasoner in that deal, but I could be wrong.
II Can Finally Die Happy Now!
Stan demanded he get Reasoner
I’m thinking he wanted Reasoner to be honest.
The C&B guys regretted it when he left their team and wasn’t adequately replaced. So basically, I’m thinking the Hawks viewed him as a Madden-lite.
Like I said,
I could be wrong. It’s happened once or twice over the last 4 decades
II Can Finally Die Happy Now!
Bathroom
What would you like to discuss?
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 16, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I don’t want to begin a discussion, I just want to chime in once it’s begun. I want to read all the interesting things people have to say about him.
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Hot Chicks Room
I just want to keep naming rooms that need remodeling in my house.
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 17, 2010 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bastard. I can’t view Comedy Channel things up here where I live.
Wanna talk about cars?
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Damn, really??
You’re in Canada right? And most of the shows on Comedy Central are Canadian. /scratches head on that one.
Geez, you can’t even watch Ass Pennies? You have to find a work around for that issue.
Cars are a sore spot for me right now. Just got done taking our minivan (insert ceaseless laughter at my plight here) to the dealer 7 times in two months to finally get an O2 sensor related issue resolved. And now my Jeep has major drivetrain issues. I may need to call BigC to come over and put her down.
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 17, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can see the shows, we get the channel on cable, but I can’t watch things on their website unless I go through a proxy. It’s the dag-gone internet.
Cars … I’m about to buy my first one ever in the next couple weeks. I’m gonna go used, I think, but my brain has been rendered into porridge by the choices available.
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P.S. I had seen Ass Pennies, I think that’s on youtube, too. But no comedycentral.com link works here.
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Cars
If you have time to research, look for cars that use Bosch or Denso as their electronics supplier (think main computer and the stability/ABS nannies). Bosch would be ideal but the Denso stuff usually is pretty stout and well designed.
If you’re going cheap on a used car; shop for 1995 and older vehicles. These are what they call OBD1 cars and do not have to meet Illinois State emission requirements. Sure, they’re old, but they’re much less complicated which means they’re less expensive to maintain/repair.
I had a ’95 VW Passat w/a V6 – fucker lasted forever (200,000+ miles) w/o anything major going wrong.
REC REC REC!
All things linked to UCB auto rec’d. This should all be green.
Pure genius.
It's the Chicago Blackhawks man...
How did you wind up in NS
Always wanted to travel there and check out that area – looks spectacular. Are you a native?

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