The Dismantling Continues...
by Killion on Jul 22, 2010 3:07 PM CDT
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OnFrozenPond - the twitter account of The Miami Herald's Panthers Blog - reports that... this is hard... Marty Reasoner will be taking his talents to South Beach next season.
In exchange, the Blackhawks will receive Jeff Taffe - he of 7 seasons, 174 games and 44 points. It's definitely a drop in talent/depth for the Hawks fourth line but it also comes with a price tag drop. Reasoner was due $1,150,000 while Taffe makes only 550,000 (just a bit over league minimum). For the math-challenged - that's a savings of 600,000.... every little bit helps at this point.
As Sam says... on to the big board:
The Hawks need 3 forwards, a goalie, and lets say 3 D-men since we don't expect John Scott to be playing that often, even though that means we'll have to find other ways to fulfill our quota for AC/DC references. And assuming Huet isn't around, they've got 5.45 Million to play with now instead of the 4.8 we thought we had last week when Sam went over the numbers.
There's still a need for 3 more forwards (likely Bickell, Dowell and some other guy whose last name hopefully ends in "ell"). Three more D-Men (Hendry-625K last year and ? plus ?) and of course a Goalie. So there's more breathing room but it's still a tight fit.
Plenty of noise being made about the Taffe/Reasoner deal to free up space to sign Niemi but I still don't see the numbers working out unless the Hawks get a serious home-town discount... but that arbitration date is quickly approaching.
Expect us to be playing around with the great new calculator on CapGeek quite a bit in the next few weeks.
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Ahhh Jeeeez
The calculator is fun but frustrating(not a lot of money to play with). I bet Bowman is hitting the gin & tonics pretty hard right now. I don’t see Taffe playing all that often. I do believe this a ploy to get Niemi. Lets see what 600,000 buckaroos gets us.
Harpoon a fat chick. Save a whale.
You know times are tough when ...
you can’t afford Marty Reasoner’s salary.
by Billy Charlesbois on Jul 22, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Hilarious
It’s so clear now, this is like balancing my check book, but on a higher level.
Not being able to afford Reasoner is like having to buy a 30 pack of Milwaukee’s best to make ends meet… (Sh)it happens.
Sooo… when’s the Taffy pulling contest?
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
or downgrading from real food
to generic brand hot dogs for several months just to be able to afford Milwaukee’s Best (true story)
Do we still need 3 defensemen?
I assumed Scott would be the 7th d-man, unless you think he’ll be in the AHL. My thinking was you just need Hendry and someone fill out the 3rd line.
I have
Scott penciled in as the 7th D/13th forward (21st, and last, man on the NHL roster). Means we still need Hendry + another D man.
JAY MCKEE PLEASE
Chicago Blackhawks - 2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Things have changed forever, we're the Ramblin' Boys of Pleasure
He won't be cheap
last season he was being paid by 2 teams as the Blues bought out his $4m/yr contract
He’ll get top 4 money/time somewhere but still take a cut from the $4.8m he made last year.
You know times are tough when ...
A D-man that wasn’t good enough for St. Louis is your wet dream for a 5th D.
They still have Barret Jackman, what a douche!
- And yes, it would be nice to get him, just won’t happen unless Boris and Rocky can send Huet to Minsk.
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
I do not think
Kop is leaving (unless Panda’s new wife makes us get rid of him).
She told Mr. Panda
that she is creeped out by the way Kop keeps leering at her.
II Can Finally Die Happy Now!
Considering the very foreseeable cap issues that were heading our way ...
and the acquisition of Hossa it’s pretty shocking we signed him at all last summer. Dale must have thought Czechs don’t count against the cap or something.
by Billy Charlesbois on Jul 22, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
he should've resigned Marty then
and not Hossa. :P
by Katherine215 on Jul 22, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
*sigh* ...
Alas, the Reasoner Revolution will never happen in Chicago after all.
by Billy Charlesbois on Jul 22, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Trying to choose
a single instance as the top memory of the Marty Reasoner era is just too difficult so I choose to blend all of them into a rich tapestry of warm fuzziness.
Beer. Now there's a temporary solution.
by one timer on Jul 23, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am not sure
the extent of the cap problem was foreseeable. I think the $4M in bonuses, Niemi needing a raise of $3M and Hammer needing a raise of $3M (right?) were not predicable.
by stanfordron on Jul 22, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yep, that $4M is the problem
Silver-lining is that $$ is going to Seabs and Brou (maybe) next season anyway so Stan is getting forced to live within the cap this season.
I’ve got a fresh pitcher of This-Will-All-Work-Out Koolaid if anyone wants to share a glass with me
nothin but smiles
my Captain is better than your Captain
Pour me a glass
and toss in some Grey Goose while you’re at it.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
Well, in a way Neimi's raise issues actually come as a discount to this team ...
Because the Hawks were ready to move forward with Huet as their goalie at a hit of over 5. So paying Neimi 3, cutting Heut out of the picture, and bringing in a back-up at 1 actually comes at discount to the cap of 1. We knew Hammer was going to get some kind of raise, even if the Hawks didn’t win the cup (I think most of us were thinking just about 2 per, so about 1 mil was a surprise). The bonuses were not really foreseeable, so there’s another 4. That being said, we had to cut about 12 million from this team so far, so I think it’s safe to say that cap problems were very clear to the Hawk’s brass (and clear as mud to Dale). You’re point is well taken though, I don’t think anybody thought it was going to be this bad.
by Billy Charlesbois on Jul 22, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
$4M in bonuses...
I’d still like a better explanation of those bonuses. Were they really unforeseeable? Toews winning MVP for the playoffs, maybe. The rest of them, though?
The Hawks took on salary at the Trading deadline (KJ) and ran with a full 23 players at the end of the year.
Seems like there was money to save there. They went 100% all-in at the end of last year and they are paying for it now. I know the Cup is intoxicating but I am still surprised at the “leeway” Bowman is getting for this…
I imagine this has been discussed elsewhere,
but is it Bowman, or should Tallon be getting more of the heat for the situation?
Seems that it was Tallon who signed Campbell (apparently needed to overpay to attract a free agent) who signed Hossa (not such a bad cap hit for that level of talent anyway) and who gave Towes, Kane and Keith extensions to buy out their arbitration-eligible years (short-term more expensive, good deals for the long run)
But mostly isn’t this on Tallon for screwing up the offer sheets, which made guys like Byfuglien $3m players before their time? Seems that Tallon is the one who set up the Capocalypse, and Bowman is the one trying to restructure the team on the fly.
Fair assessment?
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Jul 22, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
not really
Stan was the GM for the extensions to the Big 3
Considering that the Hawks are cool with sending Huet to the minors the only real fault I see is overpaying Soupy $2M or so in cap money. But as we all (should) know that had to be done to get him here in the 1st place. Without him I doubt we get to the WCF in ‘09 and thus don’t get Hossa last offseason and thus no Cup this year.
nothin but smiles
my Captain is better than your Captain
What Johnny said
Also, Buff was not part of the offer sheet situation, he signed the year before. You can blame the offer sheets on Tallon, as he was GM at the time, but I don’t think Bowman should completely skate on that as he had to have had a role in it too. imo, that was an organizational fuck up.
by Katherine215 on Jul 22, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks to you and Johnny for setting that right
What you’re telling me says that when Bowman signed the extensions for the big three, he knew he was looking at his team for 2010-11…
“The Core”
Toews 6.300 – Kane 6.300 – Hossa 5.275 – Sharp 3.900 – Bolland 3.375
Campbell 7.143 – Keith 5.538 – Seabrook 3.500
Total = 41.331, but add in the bonus penalty of 4.16 = 45.491
Leaving 13.9 million to get 7 forwards, Hammer and 2 other D-men, both goalies, and two or three extra guys to sit in the press box.
13.9 million to get 14 or 15 guys – and 3.5 of that went to Hjalmarsson, so 10.4 million to get 13 or 14 players to round out the roster, including both goaltenders.
“Ack.”
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Jul 22, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Good way to look at it.
Concise, very easy to understand.
Not a pretty picture, but that’s how it is.
It's the Chicago Blackhawks man...
look
what was the one thing (other than goalies) (and the cap) that all the “experts” said about the Hawks?
The amazing amount of depth they had compared to everyone else.
It’s time to move past the “They’re aren’t going to be as good as they were!” mindset. No shit. That much talent on one team with a hard cap was an abberation and may never be seen again.
We are now in the position every other team (that can spend to the cap) is in. Suck it up people.
nothin but smiles
my Captain is better than your Captain
Not bitching...
It’s just that putting it that way: “13.9 mill to get 14 or 15” was a pretty harsh reality check.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m still pretty jazzed about the cup, and our core makes me sexually aroused.
I’ll take this any day.
It's the Chicago Blackhawks man...
Come playoff time
the core is what matters most.
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 22, 2010 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty well adjusted by now
It’s just taken time to go through the stages of hoping we could keep Versteeg, to thinking we could at least hold on to Ladd.. to where we are now. I think once the starting G is determined, that ends the Capocalypse issue for this season.
Next year we get the bonus penalty back, and hopefully some healthy raises to the cap makes it easier to do this next offseason.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Jul 22, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Not to mention
prospects like Lalonde & Beach, etc. will all have an AHL season under their belts, making their call-ups more comfortable.
I want
them to sink a good amount of money/smarts into developing/coaching/scouting to sustain a good pipeline. The better our prospects develope the better they will play when called up and the better the return when traded.
Take the baseball approach. The better the farm system the better the Big Team. Teaching is the key.
nothin but smiles
my Captain is better than your Captain
You can't fault Bowman for the big 3
The deal with Kane, Toews and Keith was a great stroke. THAT is where the decision was made to keep all 3 and get to capocalypse later. Most media were sure we’d only get 2 out of 3 and maybe even just one if teams conspired to make synchronized offers for 2 at a time and we didn’t have time to dump salaries 1st so we could match. If Stan made a choice then to sign Kane and Toews and let Keith go, I think we’d have cried a little but said, “Oh well. That’s the best we could do”. Our cap woes would be done with and we coulda kept Niemi AND Versteeg or Ladd too. Instead, we have the current situation that we’re keeping a pretty good core and if Niemi’s arb numbers come in more at “rookie” level vs. “St. Louis Blues goalie mistake” level, we keep a pretty damn good team AND have room for Seabs next year w/o the penalty hit. Not too shabby a GM job IMO.
bingo
Most media were sure we’d only get 2 out of 3
that was a damn good bit of GMing. I’ll take that along with Hossa, Soupy, Hammer, Sharp, Bolland and put that along with whatever chaff against any other team.
nothin but smiles
my Captain is better than your Captain
Do you think that maybe they kept Dale around
to help seal that deal?
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 22, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I never thought about that
If true that’s a scary prospect. Dale does have a way with talking to players so only time will tell if the Hawks will miss/be hurt by his departure
nothin but smiles
my Captain is better than your Captain
At closer glance,
that’s a fair point you’re making about Bowman managing the cap last year with an eye toward not tripping over the bonus penalty, that part would be on Stan.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Jul 22, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Ahhh, what the hell...
This is a photoshop that I had laying around that is the cover of a bigger series with Dale Tallon as Forrest Gump and Bowman as Lieutenant “Stan.” I figure it’s fitting here following your question.
Yeah, I guess it’s safe to say that I’m never going to post anything of substance again. Consider me the class clown…
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 22, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
If you dont start posting things of substance
Im leaving this site, you people are so immature, with your fake fanfic about gay relationships and your photoshops…
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by BigCSouthside on Jul 22, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
and I did rec this
while I think dale is still pretty cool, this is one of your better ones
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by BigCSouthside on Jul 22, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you there
Bomans don’t die.
nothin but smiles
my Captain is better than your Captain
rec'd
for the sentiment expressed and funny tie-in.
picture too big. gizmo (or whateverthefuckhisnameis) would scoff at this photoshopping.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
I actually like Kops now
His celebration after scoring in SCF Game 1 is pure awesomeness.
Plus, who is out there that can play as well at a cheaper price?
nothin but smiles
my Captain is better than your Captain
Even though I am not a fan of Kopecky, you do have a very good point there.
Marcus Kruger and move him to wing??? Anyone heard anything new on this guy if he is NHL ready?
I don't see Kruger
as being ready yet. Maybe he gets a little time here and there, but i can’t see anything more than that right now.
II Can Finally Die Happy Now!
Doubtful on Kruger
He committed to another year with Djurgarden in the SEL and he is still pretty young (20?). Not everyone is like Kane/Toews and NHL ready right away. Kruger put up good numbers but, this was pretty much his first year in the SEL. I would like to see if he can put together another solid year.
I want to say that MK was a near PPG player, but I don’t know how well those stats would translate at an NHL level. Does anyone know how difficult the adjustment would be for players coming in from the SEL? How different is the level of competition and the style of the game?
I’m pretty sure they skate on larger ice over there; so definitely a style difference depending on the players skating speed.
yeah
definitely a style difference depending on the players skating speed
What do you mean by that? I would assume that narrower ice in North America increases the physicality (more play on the boards) and would think that players carry the puck into the zone more in Europe. I could see it effecting the speed of the game, but I’m not sure how the player’s speed factor’s in here.
All I meant was
Players that might be successful over there due to being fast skaters might not adjust so well in the NHL if they don’t have the other skills that are important on smaller ice.
=
Seeing a few different ways to calculate league equivalency but it looks like the SEL number is something around 0.72 if you use the same TOI in the NHL as they had in Sweden, and 0.57 if you assume their TOI decreases by the average amount of all Sweden/NHL transfers- on average the NHL players who came over get 78% of the ice time they got in SEL.
So his season last year was equal to 38 points in 82 gms, using the most conservative method.
Assuming he will get similar time over here, you’d expect 49 points.
Obviously if he put up 38 points in the NHL at this age we’d be shitting our pants, so yeah he is exciting as hell,- but hopefully he’ll develop a bit more and not be one of the guys who can’t translate-
however when people talk about guys who were only good in the Euro style and their numbers don’t translate…well, all those guys were WAY older.
there have only been a few players to ever produce at his rate and age in the SEL.
Zetterberg and Backstrom are two of these, there might be one other star also.
by Canseco's Roid Party on Jul 22, 2010 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting
I’ve seen the Zetterberg/Backstom comparisons before, but I try to take that kind of talk with a grain of salt; especially since Kruger only played 38 regular season & 16 playoff games last year. But yeah – I would totally shit my pants if he put up 38 points in his rookie year.
I like Kops a lot too
he is the mini-me to marian hossa. Not as good as the real thing but has a lot of similarities. He skates hard and plays hard and otherwise shows a lot of effort. Just like you said, for his price, we won’t find someone that does what he does.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
I actually have no problem with Kopecky ...
I thought he provided enough energy and ice rodeo entertainment. He must be doing something out there to draw the attention of Carcillo the way he did in the finals. I’m just curious as to why they took on more salary when things were clearly going to be tight.
by Billy Charlesbois on Jul 22, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Won't disagree here,
but I don’t think a player needs to “do something” to draw the attention of Carcillo. The man’s got a heat seeking warhead imbedded in whatever he passes for a brain. All you need to do is be on the ice… or off it… and have a pulse, and car bomb’s going for the kill. Just ask Carter.
It's the Chicago Blackhawks man...
It'll also be
one of the first things I think of when I need to cheer myself up fast. Other options include Toews raising the Cup and Hossa doing the same.
I just remember John Wiedeman's exhultation and everything is all better
“Lord Stanley’s new address is Sweet Home Chicago!”
by northernsails on Jul 23, 2010 2:48 AM CDT up reply actions
You ask, google supplies.
A thing of beauty and a joy forever.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jul 22, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
My new nickname for Kopecky is "Matador."
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 22, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
HA!
rec’d
hee hee, what an idiot *
*see Carcillo, Dan
"It's The Chicago Blackhawks, man." ~ Jeremy Roenick, June 9th, 2010.
i love that Carcillo
protects Kop from teh big hit Carter is about to put on him. What a classy fuck.
Yes, but I think it's our favorite genre
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 23, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Czech out the big brain on Brad!
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 22, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Austrian eh?
G’day mate. Put another shrimp on the barbie.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
by cliffkoroll on Jul 22, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just when I think you couldn't possibly be any dumber
you go and post something like this…
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 22, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
That's along the lines of
the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor. LOL
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
that's what I was saying
about signing Marty! but apparently nobody got my joke. :(
by Katherine215 on Jul 22, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
oh, it's ok.
I made myself laugh, that’s all that matters.
by Katherine215 on Jul 22, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
The jokes in here are getting a little too esoteric for me ...
you guys are making me feel excluded. :(
by Billy Charlesbois on Jul 22, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Um...
So sorry but my map from 1991 says they are Czechs …
by Billy Charlesbois on Jul 22, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
bohunks?
isn’t that what Jake Ryan was in Sixteen Candles?
mmmm Jake Ryan
How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?
Who's he?
That’s me.
Who are you?
I’m him.
Oh, ok.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 23, 2010 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I think they’re Hmong…
…us.
(insert groan here)
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 23, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
speaking of my dad
there’s malaria in the area.
there’s fungus among us.
at ease, disease.
guy;s got a million of them.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
You could say he...
removes sunglasses
…signed a Czech he couldn’t cash.
YEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHH
by Kelly Reardon on Jul 23, 2010 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
ANTTI NEED-YENI !!!!!!!!!!!
(although I doubt he wants to be paid in Turkish Lira)
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 22, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
if it wont count against the cap
pay him in whatever currency we can get
Not very upsetting.
I don’t guess I ever expected Reasoner to lace ’em up for the Hawks during the season, so if we can save $600k on him with a trade, okay. Though it does leave me curious as to who they have in mind for our fourth center. Pretty sure Reasoner was previously chalked into that spot, and I presume it will be a Rockford guy now, but who?
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jul 22, 2010 4:03 PM CDT reply actions
Isn't Dowell
a center? The Hawks depth chart lists him at center (and actually shows a lot of depth or at least length at center for us)
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
I’m thinking…
Toews
Bolland
Dowell
Taffe
or if Kruger is ready and fits in the cap move him to 3rd line center and then Dowell for 4th line.
This would also keep Sharp at wing where he prefers and plays best.
I still think sharp at center
He played well in the playoffs and doesn’t mind playing it if it means more of “that shiny thing”
2009-2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Chicago Blackhawks
We are a better team
with Sharp at center (given our current roster).
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
Another vote...
for Sharp at center. And may I suggest a 5 year contract extension for the Sharp dressed man. And Taffe will be fighting for a job in camp. My guess is Rockford has a new center this fall.
And did you hear the Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup?
by TrickyDickAllen on Jul 22, 2010 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Just curious
Who were you considering to play 4th line center for the Hawks? I was looking forward to seeing Reasoner because IMO he would have been the only upgrade going in to next season.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 22, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Reasoner was a fine choice...
and then Doug Wilson tightened our belts a bit more. I too thought that Reasoner would be a fine replacement for Madden…oh well.
My guess is Dowell for 4th line center. It will be his job to lose.
And did you hear the Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup?
by TrickyDickAllen on Jul 22, 2010 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
What about the PK?
Best in the league last year adjusted for shorties:
Bolland – Madden
Toews – Hossa
Sharp – Versteeg
Bollie’s kinda sucky at the dot, but serviceable if the other guy gets kicked out. This is important because (a) Q always sent these two out first for the own zone draw, and (b) you can’t break up Toews – Hossa. You just can’t.
Seems like we need someone who can take a face-off to fill Madden’s spot and make this click.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
I too was
a bit excited about Reasoner. It was one place where I thought we didn’t get worse, and might have actually improved.
oh well. I think I’ll dip into my wife’s brownie batter.
If they are the "special brownies"
they should make you feel better.
That's part of it
Although he’s no Steckel, he’s a consistent 52-54% at the dot. He also scores 10 gls/15 assts like clockwork. And he’s got experience, which this team will be lacking again.
Figuring Toews, Sharp and Bolland centering the top 3 lines, I considered Reasoner to be a needed upgrade over Fraser/Burish and a needed anchor for what will likely be a very young 4th line. He also would have been able to back up Toews on own-zone face-offs.
That’s why I never got involved in the trade Kop and Reasoner talk. I thought both of these guys were too valuable to trade compared to their cost. Personally I would’ve prefered to lose Bolland. Yeah, crazy I know. But I have strong doubts that Bolland will ever be a #2 center after his back surgery. He was beyond awful at the dot and who knows if he will ever get back to normal there, even if the rest of his game comes around. You just can’t afford to have a 2nd line center with a 45 FO% if you are depending on your top 2 lines to get you through the season – and that will likely be the Hawks situation for the foreseeable future. Therefore, he’s way overpaid for a 3rd line center and one who’s future is a question mark IMO. Isn’t that the same reason people are saying to not overpay Niemi??
I would bet the farm that Sharp will be traded after next season. If Bolland doesn’t step it up big next year, he won’t be able to fill that 2nd line spot the following year and that will throw a wrench into what appears to be the Hawks longterm plan.
What was the question again??
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 23, 2010 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions
so
Kop and Reasoner over Bolland? I credit you with taking a clear, bold stand.
Um…those guys are, um,…just…guys.
Sharp can move back to wing. FO% would seem to be something you can work on, and Bollie’s pretty young. I’m counting on the organ-i-zation’s opinion of his back (he was included in the “core”).
Don’t underestimate importance of PK.
And I think hard-and-fast “2nd line/3rd line” mentality is a mistake. Look how fluid the situation was last year. This is not unusual in the NHL. And the Hawks (last year anyway) distributed ice time pretty evenly over their top 9. What you need are a bunch of great hockey players.
With all due respect, I question your fitness for continued participation in human civilization.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
This was all based on our cap situation and his questionable back
I just don’t think you can take risks on too many highly paid “question marks” when you’re tight against the cap.
Yes, I understand that those guys are just guys, but now we’re still in a situation where we might need to lose another one of these mid-level “guys.” I would personally prefer to have more of a balanced team instead of our “core” and then minimum salary fill-ins. I considered Brouwer, Kop and Reasoner our only proven mid-level forwards (Brouwer at the higher end of that scale). Now we have one less. You also seem to forget we would get something good in return for Bolland. It’s not like we’d be giving him away for free.
I would love to see Bolland get back to his 08-09 form and live up to the potential he showed in the minors (where his gpg avg was 300% higher (albeit in a different role). He’d break a lot of records.) But his back concerns me, he’s never been good at the dot (he was 39% in the playoffs this year and is at 45% over his career), and although he’s shown moments of brilliance, he’s still far from his expected potential.
Niemi had a great rookie year and did well in the playoffs, yet most (except for husler777) have reduced Niemi down to a bag of pucks because of his contract and our cap situations. Many are saying “if he wants over $2M, fuck him.” Well Bolland is making almost $3.5M and is a bigger question mark in my mind because of his back surgery.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 23, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Quote of the day:
Yes, I understand that those guys are just guys, but now we’re still in a situation where we might need to lose another one of these mid-level "guys."
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
yeah yeah I got all that
you’re still wrong.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
by cliffkoroll on Jul 23, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I hope so
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 23, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
With all due respect, I question your fitness for continued participation in human civilization.
Bolland is an interesting player on the Hawks since he doesn’t really fit, imo, with the rest of the core. The problem on this team’s core will always be Kane.
Who do you play with Kane at center? Toews and Hossa are such a natural fit that long term, imo, you really want them playing together. So that leaves a need for a long term center for Kane. Sorry but in my opinion that will never be Bolland.
That makes Bolland a third line center on this team. And for all his “rat” reputation, third line centers need to be good at faceoffs.
So sorry Cliff but I could easily see Bolland getting traded from this team.
skill at the dot
is not like size or eye color. In fact, it’s got to be the most learnable thing in the game.
Why can’t Bolland fit with Kane? He fit pretty good with Havlat. (Agree that Toews Hossa should be together forever.)
The only issue, in my mind, is the weak back, and I can’t believe he would be considered “core” if the team thought this were an issue.
DaleHalas, you are worse than Hitler.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
by cliffkoroll on Jul 23, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Fight fight fight fight!
So on the one side you got Cliff and he’s really mad. On the other side you got Dale and he’s really mad. So; that’s about it.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
Hahaha!
So true – or Star Wars in regards to SCH.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 23, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
pistols at dawn
its the only way to settle this
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by BigCSouthside on Jul 23, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
use these
Full auto, and the ammo comes in a wide variety of tasty flavors, including HE frag grenades. America fucking rules, doesn’t it.
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by BigCSouthside on Jul 23, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
the best part
you can take two of them, mount them to a remote drone and have fun taking pot shots at the neighbors dog without missing any part of your favorite TV show
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by BigCSouthside on Jul 23, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
More dead puppies?
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
Im more efficient this way
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by BigCSouthside on Jul 23, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
they can be fired one handed
upside down, they are made from a specific type of metal that resists corrosion and jamming. Did I mention the 12 gauge HE grenade rounds? Takes duck hunting to a whole new level.
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by BigCSouthside on Jul 23, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
They are low maintenance and can perform in basically every type of environment.
As for the 12 HE grenades, God bless America.
Is this how they make Chicken McNuggets?
I always suspected as much.
And now, try our new Duck McNuggets.
Buff, are you listening? Sigh. (guzzles beer)
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
not sure what you're carryin' around
but it don’t sound healthy…bud.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
If it's the most learnable thing in the game
then Bolland’s opponents can learn too. At some point skill and reflexes take over and are the tiebreaker. Toews seemes to have enough. Bolland….mebbe not so much.
Based on what we've seen
I think people really overvalue Toews and Hossa being on the same line. The two are great together on the PK, I get that, but what have we seen from them at even strength?
When Toews and Hoss have played on the same line (at even strength) I remember dominant offensive possessions, but very few points.
Think about it for a second………
Toews-Hossa-Kane: Great puck possession, with few, if any goals. Most people blame this on Kane being on his off-wing, which is legitimate, but Toews and Hossa didn’t produce there.
Toews-Hossa-Versteeg: This line didn’t produce. Most people just assumed that Versteeg wasn’t getting it done (myself included).
Toews-Hossa-Sharp (hammer of the gods line): Dominant puck possession, some solid chances, no tangible point production. I even remember McClure or Sam saying that this line was going to bust out and have a four goal night. The potential was always there, but it didn’t happen (relatively small sample size).
Toews-Hossa-Kopecky: Oh boy, the Slovaks together with Toews, this should be good. Nope, more of the same. Think about the last 2 games of the SC Finals, we got 0 even strength points from this line. The fact that people are excited about this line going into this season is somewhat ridiculous.
Let’s switch gears.
Toews-Kane-Brouwer: Money.
Toews-Kane-Sharp: Money
Toews-Kane-Byfuglien: PK…money, even strength…so-so
Toews-Kane-Bickell: Servicable
I get that Toews and Hossa will probably produce over a full season togther, but their shorthanded success has warped everyone’s view of what they’ve produced.
The fact that a lot of people want to take our 2 best puck winners and put them on the same line seems a little silly because it weekens our 2nd line dramatically.
Don’t get me wrong here, I’m not dumb enough to think that Toews-Hoss isn’t going to produce points at even strength, but everyone talks about those 2 being on a line definitively when they have no even strength point production to back it up.
In short, I like Kane and Toews on the same line. Kane has 100+ point potential and I don’t think he’s going to achieve it playing with a solid but not dominant 2nd line center, even if that center is Patrick Sharp. Call it a knock on Kane if you’d like, I call it maximizing the potential of one of the best young playmakers in the league.
Ditto for CNS
This works
until you meet a team willing to target their checking line against an undersized forward and the team captain. There are teams and head coaches out there who will do that. The Hawks beat one of them in the SCF to win it all. And Q did that by mixing Toews-Kane-Byfuglien up and putting Toews on a line with Hossa.
by northernsails on Jul 23, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
you can't really think
that the SCF was the first time Kane and Toews saw a solid defensive line (or checking line).
They can beat checking lines. It isn’t going to happen 100% of the time, but it’ll happen enough. Pronger dominated Buff for the bulk of the series and especially in the first 4 games when Buff was with Kane and Toews, and this had as much to do with that line’s ineffectiveness as seeing a particular forward line did.
Ditto for CNS
Hossa's injury
People talk about Bolland’s injury but NOT about Hossa’s. I think he will be much stronger next year and a much better finisher. As such I think you will see more points from him next year.
My biggest problem with daydream nation is that I feel it stunts Toews’ growth. He has to limit his skills to work with Kane.
To me you get the best Toews with Hossa on that line.
Furthermore teams typically match 1’s against 1’s or 1’s against 3’s. Toews and Hossa on the top line lets Q match either way with NO worries. With Kane on that line there are matchup issues.
Finally, I’d like Toews to go after top defensive forward and Kane to go after top offensive forward. Those are mutually exclusive if they are both on the same line.
Of course, your mileage may vary.
I thought most people were thinking
Kane-Toews-Brouwer/Bickell
Hossa-Sharp-Kopecky
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 23, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know about most
I hear alot of Toews-Hoss even strength love.
If the season starts with Toews-Hoss-Kop and Sharp-Kane-Brouwer, I’m ok with it, it may work, but I haven’t seen proof that Toews and Hoss will be an even strength point producing machine. Not saying it won’t, just saying it hasn’t.
For me, Toews and Hoss are very similar and it’d be a shame not to have that dominant puck-winning-back-checking talent distributed amongst the top 2 scoring lines.
I’ll tell you what will make me angry though, if TBrouw isn’t manning the left wing on one of the top two lines.
Ditto for CNS
I hope it doesn't make you mad
but I think Q is going to stick one rookie/youngster on each of the tops two lines (w/Capn, Kaner, Sharpie and Horsa) and create a “veteran” third/checking line with Bolland, Brouwer and Kop.
by stanfordron on Jul 23, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Q is impossible to predict, but I hope you're wrong about that hunch
Brouwer did spend a decent amount of time at the beginning of the year on a checking line with ladd and madden, but I don’t think Brouwer has established himself as a great checking line winger (whereas ladd had). I think Brouwer has shown a lot more promise as a scoring power forward on a top line than he has as a shutdown checking line forward.
I’d be more comfortable with Q identifying our best defensive winger (of the new and/or rockford crop of forwards) and sticking him down there with bolland.
Ditto for CNS
I agree with that
but, looking over the list, I think it may be that Brouwer (even unproven) is our best defensive winger (not counting Hossa).
by stanfordron on Jul 23, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Sounds like Bickell to me.
I would prefer Brouwer-Toews-Kane, and ??-Sharp-Hossa. (not sold on Kop here, but maybe)
Everyone here has delivered some excellent insights on this subject.
Bickell, Bolland Kop on 3?
Then what’s left? Are Skille and Makarov unofficially guaranteed a spot? Dowell has to be in the mix, 4th line center? Maybe Skille on 2?
Whirrrr (Verstig Q line generator engages…)
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
Toews Hossa even strength
not sure how big that sample size is.
DDN were together most of the year. I agree DDN-Hossa doesn’t work, but we didn’t see a whole lot in the way of other Toews Hossa even strength combinations, did we?
The theory, as I understand it, is that Toews and Hossa are both playmaker/scorers.
Kane is the #1 playmaker on the team, and Sharp is the #1 pure scorer, so they complement each other.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
by cliffkoroll on Jul 23, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
The DDN sample size is much larger than the Toews-Hoss sample size
but even a few points out of Toews Hoss at even strength (last year) would make my point moot.
I think the Kane-Sharp playmaker scorer bromance makes more sense with Sharp on the left wing. I assume sharp is going to be at center, and while I don’t doubt there will still be some chemistry there, Sharp can’t be a pure sniper if he’s at center.
Ditto for CNS
I feel like a lot off the Toews-Hoss love
comes from watching them on PK. We sit there, marveling that we’re a man down yet those two are skating with the puck is glued to their sticks like we’re on the PP. Then we try to translate that over to ES, which may or may not work.
I think we’ll have a better view of this next season, when they’ll have more opportunities to play together, but I agree with you in valuing DDN as a pair over Capt & Panda. I feel like Sharp & Hossa have really good chemistry together, but of course, it could be due to the fact that they played together more often.
For me
I’ve always seen Hossa in more of a non-scoring role, similar to El Capitan. The number of times I marveled at Hossa just trucking the puck through the entire opposing team at their blue line was unbelievable.
When I play with capgeek’s line generators, my lines look more like CNS’s.
Toews and Kane proved throughout the playoffs (and only at home until game 6 of the finals) able to contain the puck in the offensive zone for extended periods of time. The sustained offense they provided was brutal, and for next season, I don’t see a reason they can’t be just as effective.
Hossa/Sharp/someone – those two guys seem like they create a LOT of space on the ice – hossa especially. Similar to brouwer on the top line, put a scorer on their wing and hope he gets lost in coverage over, and over, and over again.
by oregon_hawk on Jul 23, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I think all of you are nuts
(said respectfully of course)
if you think you can figure out Q’s lines right now. We don’t even have the final roster yet or know how the young guys will step up. And even if we did, game to game and shift to shift I’ll take some odds they change. How can you call em today?
Interesting that you mention that
Last year I felt that the Hawks had an overabundance of raw talent in the top 9 forward positions, but the pieces didn’t fit well.
So I wondered if Q’s line juggling was due to this the fact that they didn’t fit well or because they had so much talent that they could move people around and still be successful while at the same time throwing off the opposition. In the end, it was likely a little bit of both.
Going into next year, we probably won’t have as much of that ability to juggle lines. Therefore you really need to have the right pieces in place that click together. Before coming to the NHL, Bolland was more of an offensive forward. Since coming up, he’s played more of a defensive/two-way role. It’s great to see that he’s versatile, but I’d like to see more of his playermaker abilities if he’s going to center the 2nd line in two years. We’ve seen flashes of it, but not on a consistent basis yet.
I also disagree with cliff that FO skill is easily learned or improved. Bolland’s been doing it long enough that he likely will never improve much. I think it was krome who pointed out that you need back strength and naturally quick “twitch” muscles to be successful.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 23, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I love such certainty in regards to opinions
What may I ask is the correct answer? (aside from cliff’s obviously, that’s why they pay him the big bucks)
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 23, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Married?, Married! .....Geez!
I thought dry wit or sense of humor was allowed amongst fellow hawk fans?
Didn’t think I needed to insert “LOL” or “JK”.
What, you didn't get my joke either??
/double facepalm
I think you sir are 3 sheets to the wind.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 23, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
a little early for that, isnt it?
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by BigCSouthside on Jul 23, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Dry wit is often misinterpreted on line
without the eye contact or the tone of voice to help convey it.
Oh, by the way, your humor is worse than Hitler.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
I heard Hitler had a hell of a sense of humor
just not concerning, jews, catholics, homosexuals, gypies, the disabled, the polish, french, english, americans, russians, etc. but other than that….
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by BigCSouthside on Jul 23, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
by "good", do you mean intelligent or not evil?
because if you meant intelligent, then yes, of course. if you meant not evil, then I may need to change my career path…
I meant not evil.
I trust you. How could a Hawk fan and SCHer be evil?
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
Best of luck to you :)
Rather late compared to anyone I know; is it an American thing, or because the Bar exam is kind of after Uni? I’m not 100% sure on how this sort of thing works, either over here or over there.
Good Luck!
I’m in the same boat, and this site is definitely not helping. Good thing hockey season is over or my bar prep would be even more pathetic
by hawkswin!hawkswin! on Jul 23, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
good luck to you too!
just think, next week we’ll be freeeeeeeee! until I get my results back and find out I need to do this all over again. sigh.
I just want to wish both of you good luck...
“We’re all counting on you.”
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
On the big board
The hawks need TWO goalies. Even if it’s only 500K it’s still another roster spot to fill.
by Bellwether Meltdown on Jul 22, 2010 4:07 PM CDT reply actions
The (alleged) Nazi enthusist
have included Crawford from the get-go.
nothin but smiles
my Captain is better than your Captain
whoa!!
that effed up somehow!
should be:
The Triumvirate
nothin but smiles
my Captain is better than your Captain
Whoa...
I think I missed something. What’s the back story?
And did you hear the Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup?
by TrickyDickAllen on Jul 22, 2010 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
an old subject title that was saved by my browser. It’s from a conversation with Trixie about previous F1 president Max Mosley
nothin but smiles
my Captain is better than your Captain
As long as Sharp wears #10
I’m happy. Sign Antti if at all possible, just keep #10.
[goes back to read "My base is better than your base, my base is better than yours]
[again]
A classic internet meme. Potentially THE classic internet meme.
Google ‘all your base’ for the wiki article, then watch the following video, which made the meme famous. Link to video for All Your Base.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jul 22, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
2nd base is the best
you can’t always hit a homerun
nothin but smiles
my Captain is better than your Captain
The west is the best
Get here, and we’ll do the rest
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 22, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Meet me at the back of the blue bus...
"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."
-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851
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by Tomorrows Blues on Jul 23, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
nice call!
-Matt Cooke is a turd burglar. He burgles ALL the turds.-
-At least he's not Cam Janssen. What a bag of dicks that guy is.-
by G8K33P3R on Jul 22, 2010 4:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
we have no chance
to survive make our time.
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
by puppetmasterp on Jul 23, 2010 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, playing around with CapGeek, and filling out a 22-man roster with $650,000 guys
leaves $2,050,000 or so for the netminder Corey Crawford is going to be backing up.
But that doesn’t include the $1.4 million or so that DaleHalas was telling us we still have to pay for Huet’s cap hit from the end of last season to the day he can be buried in Rockford. (Saying that the cap works on a 365-day cycle, not just during the season) If that’s accurate, you’re either going with Crawford/Toivonen, or another domino has to fall.
(Maybe you roll the dice, and hope you can trade for mid-priced veteran goalie during the season?)
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Jul 22, 2010 4:12 PM CDT reply actions
wait, what?
You don’t have to be under the cap until two weeks before the season starts. Until then, they can be 10% over.
FifthFeather.com
by El Duque's Raft on Jul 22, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
that 365 day thing is bs right?
cause otherwise why would GM sign FAs / make trades until much later so they would have more cap room. That makes no sense.
nothin but smiles
my Captain is better than your Captain
It's right but analyzed incorrectly
Huet’s cap hit does count but it counts against a different number, the 65.whatever the cap is during the summer. The Hawks can’t go over that number. The 1.4 Huet accumulates in the summer is completely irrelevant once the season starts and he’s in Rockford.
FifthFeather.com
by El Duque's Raft on Jul 22, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
akkthuppft
This seems so stupid. I don’t want to attempt to wrap my mind around it
badgerdano, I’m joining you in the grey goose’d koolaid
nothin but smiles
my Captain is better than your Captain
$1.4 million or so that DaleHalas was talking about
I’m back to thinking that the argument we had at Fifth Feather is/was wrong. It’s not that the the CAP is accumulated over time, its that newly added contracts depreciate as the season goes on.
So no if Huet goes to the minors before the season starts, its not a hit on the cap…
It's small comfort, but a clusterfuck with a whole new dimension if that was the case.
Thanks for clearing that up, I don’t get to all the threads (where you likely said this earlier).
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Jul 22, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Fifth Feather needs to understand its niche
clear-headed explication of issues. Let’s tighten it up over there.
SCH has the repetittve, rambling, misinformed conjecture department covered.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
the Cap does not work on a 365 day cycle - it is approx 180 odd days
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
On a cheerier note, this made me lol quite hard
by Germware on Jul 22, 2010 4:14 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Even funnier that he appears to be riding the shark
Which reminds me of one of the most dramatic scenes in movie history…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0UJaprpxrk&feature=related
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 22, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I will sheepishly admit it was a passing thought
but naw.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 22, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
That SFX guy
most certainly won an oscar or emmy for his realism. Do you think it was necessary for the ladder to have a sign that says “bat ladder’ on it”?
II Can Finally Die Happy Now!
XD
I really enjoy picturing SJ fan’s faces as they notice this for the first time.
[Tornado] sirens just went off...I grabbed another beer.
If you can get Niemi for 2.85....
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Troy Brouwer ($1.025m)
Marian Hossa ($5.275m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Jack Skille ($0.600m)
Jeff Taffe ($0.550m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Bryan Bickell ($0.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brian Campbell ($7.142m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Jordan Hendry ($0.725m) / Shawn Lalonde ($0.773m)
John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($2.850m) /Hannu Toivonen ($0.550m)
CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $4,157,753
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,649,923; BONUSES: $285,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $35,077
by Bellwether Meltdown on Jul 22, 2010 4:19 PM CDT reply actions
I'll take that line up
but it doesn’t include Huet’s summer cap hit does it?
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 22, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Are people re-writing the CBA?
There’s no summer cap hit. The Hawks can be 10% over until two weeks before the season. Huet’s 5.65 hit is almost exactly 10% of the 59 million
FifthFeather.com
by El Duque's Raft on Jul 22, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
and will be sent away as soon as pre-season starts
or is it right before the regular season? I can’t remember
2009-2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Chicago Blackhawks
I get it now
after reading further up in thread. I’m just a lemming…
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 22, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
screw 2.85
Call Turco and ask him how much longer he wants to wait to get paid 1.85 million next year. Yeah, he turned down 2 million …. 4 weeks ago.
who did
he turn down again? Would he have been a starter?
Philly
And yes… unless they want to rely on Brian “no knees” Boucher and Michael “y’all be hatin” Leighton
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jul 22, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Top Heavy
We have become a very top heavy team with this distribution… or lack of it. To sign Seabrook next year, one of the two between Sharp or Campbell is going top have to go. Or Bolland. I also fear that the math still doesn’t work to resign 31 unless someone else drops as well. This roster with Crawford as a number 1 could be a very scary year.
Next year
the bonus penalty comes off the books, which covers seabrook’s raise and then some. It is not at all uncommon for sports teams to maintain a core and rotate new players in and out rapidly. I don’t think we’ll get a good distribution between core (4-5m$/yr players) roleplayers (1-3ish m$/yr) players and new players until campbell’s contract is gone.
Last year
was supposed to be scary with Huet and Niemi, and that turned out ok. We are just fearing the unknown right now.
Oregon is right about the bonuses, and Seabs is already making $3.5M, so his cap hit likely won’t go up too much more next year (maybe $1.5-$2M). Brouwer and Dowell are RFAs next year, but that’s next year.
by Katherine215 on Jul 22, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m willing to say goodbye to Seabs if his cap hit goes up to $5.5 million. Unless the cap goes up at least 4%
ARRRRRRRRGH
NO
The Hawks are already paying Seabrook 3.5 million, so you have to go over that before it’s going to start eating cap room, of which there’s going to be at least 5.3 million next year. (4.1 in bonuses, 1.2 from Kopecky)
He’s not going to break up with his butt-buddy Keith and he’s not going to make more money per year than Keith either. I’ll bet a dollar Seabrook signs something in the neighborhood of a 10 year/$45-50 million deal by Feb 1
by Bellwether Meltdown on Jul 22, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
technically true
in the sense that I can play the piano and the guitar.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
yeah but.....
It’s nice to have the 13th forward and 7th Dman. If guys get short term injuries, you need the space to bring up 1 or 2 guys from rockford. If we are right against the cap with a 21 man roster, we don’t have much flexibility.
The 22nd roster spot can be a placeholder, just in case.
Ditto for CNS
Not disagreeing, just saying it's possible
They did it with Hendry for awhile last year, didn’t they?
by Katherine215 on Jul 23, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Bolland being on LTIR
for almost the entire year gave them a little more flexibility. They had hendry there for either 13th forward and/or 7th D, but they weren’t limited to that.
Ditto for CNS
Yes. The question is...
What does F stand for and what does D stand for.
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
you carry an extra player after the 12F 6D and 2G
It can be a F or D. As Katherine pointed out, Scott can play both, albeit neither very well.
by EamusCatuli23 on Jul 22, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Hendry can also play both
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 22, 2010 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
technically true
in the sense that I can both paint and operate a backhoe.
(ok- he’s better than Scott.)
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
My point
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 23, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
My judgement of Scott is clouded...
I can’t get past the video of him destroying Bolduc. I mean… he fixes his hair before punching the shit out of him. It is utter perfection, and it is the only thing I am able to think of when people talk about John Scott.
It's the Chicago Blackhawks man...
Hadn't seen this before
Awesome! The only way it could be any better was if it was, say, a Canucks play- oh, right.
Hahahah
I never noticed that before. That is CLASSIC.
by oregon_hawk on Jul 23, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
That was the very first thing that got my attention too.
very classy move!
II Can Finally Die Happy Now!
the hair thing
was something else. I half-expected him to smile and wave to the camera during the subsequent rag-dolling.
The game’s trending the other way (a good thing, imo), but lots of teams, always, will want to get a piece of the Champs, on the scoreboard or otherwise. AND, the Hawks are down Ladd and Buff (and more) on the physical side.
I feel like there will be times when we’ll be glad for a minimum wage guy who can (barely) play two positions and do this.
Plus, w/ Hendry as a 3rd pairing guy/plausible 4th liner…
The 21-man roster is risky, but you can survive a stretch of 6-8 games suiting up 19 guys. I’d be willing to role the dice on this.
It is awfully top-heavy too, as pointed out, but my favorite ginger-haired puck-mover does stick out as the one remaining tall weed in the garden, as also pointed out.
Is Hendry $0.725? Thought he might be a bit cheaper.
Plus, loves Nemo, but his resume is as wafer-thin as our cap space. Nemo =/= Halak. He oughtta be plenty happy with a $2.4-$2.5 cap hit deal. May be able to wring out a bit more flexibility here.
Long live the core.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
by cliffkoroll on Jul 24, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I could see that working
but man that would suck for Crawford. We’d have to keep him in Rockford for the mere fact that he makes .250m more than Toivonen. Also, Cap Geek has Hendry at .625m. Did he get a .1m raise, cause it looks like every penny is gonna matter.
by EamusCatuli23 on Jul 22, 2010 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't see the 21-man roster part working out.
Unless you have the hockey version of supersub Mark DeRosa. It could be John Scott after all, I hear he’s comfortable punching someone from any spot on the ice.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Jul 22, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Now that you've mentioned it
What stops us from going with a 20 man roster since we can only dress 20 anyways. If someone gets hurt or we need an extra player, couldn’t we just do the I-90 shuffle and switch players with Rockford?
by EamusCatuli23 on Jul 22, 2010 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Someone pulls a groin in the pre-game skate?
Or you’re in California when someone can’t go that night?
I’m thinking you pretty much need to carry an extra F and an extra D around all year, maybe the third extra guy can be sacrificed.. but that’s just me thinking.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Jul 22, 2010 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know
If we can do it, which I still don’t know if we can, it seems the money saved would be much more important to us in this case. Teams play short a man all the time either because of an early injury or a game misconduct. Yeah, the Hawks may have to go short a man once or twice this year because of your scenario, but if we can easily call up a player from the Hogs to fill a spot for the next game, why not? In fact, I think we can go with a 20 man active roster because, if memory serves me correctly, didn’t Calgary have to play short some men on their actual game day roster bc of cap issues a couple years ago.
by EamusCatuli23 on Jul 22, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
No idea on what happened to Calgary
but I’ll concede that you might get along with 20 or 21, if there’s an injury you’re short-benched one game even if you have to fly someone out while the team travels from Vancouver to San Jose. You only carry the extra guy(s) when needed.
If the team can live with that, you get to keep the core while waiting out this season and the cap penalty.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Jul 22, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes they did
They used it as an excuse for their 1st round loss to us in 08-09
nothin but smiles
my Captain is better than your Captain
I'm just Saying...
Kane and Campbell to Buffalo for Tim Connolly and Tyler Myers (or Steve Montador as a far distant #2 choice if they won’t cough up the big fellow). I wonder what else we could of kept if we have made an “ugly move” like this sooner… Ladd, Verstegg, Buff, ??? Plus, Myers is a stud.
I know this is crazy-talk but...
If I was a goalie making $800,000 + and previously driving a Zamboni for extra cash, I think I would be thrilled and feel lucky to make $2 Million while playing for a championship team…
The thing is, tho...
He’s only played 37 games. It’s not out of the question that he’s already played the best 37 games of his career. It’s a business like everything else. Now he’s potentialy worth more than he’ll ever be again and he’s gotta cash in. What happens if he’s nice to us(say he takes $2mil) and his hips explode or he starts playing like Huet. Bye-bye chance at the big $$$.
I imagine everyone sitting in an office would agree..
but Niemi’s agent is telling him that Reboundo Luongo is making something like 7 million a year for the next 8 years, guaranteed.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Jul 22, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
we work in a clause in his contract
that says if he is unable to perform at his level of the championship year, and can find no other teams willing to take him on, the UC will offer him work as an experienced zamboni driver. We’ll even throw in health insurance and a very good 401k with 7 paid holidays (American holidays can be swapped with Finnish if he wishes).
II Can Finally Die Happy Now!
Like a hangover that keeps repeating itself
Groundhog Day. I still don’t see how they keep Neimo, so I’m already preparing myself for Crawford and his amazing Post – DT’s and ginormous rebounds (yeah, even worse than Neimo). Do the Hawks know something that we don’t about the guy at this stage?
talk about a d-list transaction.
-Matt Cooke is a turd burglar. He burgles ALL the turds.-
-At least he's not Cam Janssen. What a bag of dicks that guy is.-
by G8K33P3R on Jul 22, 2010 4:39 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Wait until somebody inks Reas to a 17 year deal ...
to make sure they can manage the cap hit.
by Billy Charlesbois on Jul 22, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting move
Marty Reasoner will be taking his talents to South Beach next season.
The bigger question is: will the Panthers ownership and management offer jobs to Reasoner’s entourage of friends?
"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.
Not for sure
but many say it weighed in their decision to choose the Heat. They offered the least restrictions (internally) as far as running the show, and had the most flexibility to pull off the deal of the century. I couldn’t tell you if Bron’s friends got jobs or not; it doesn’t really matter anyways cause he’s got plenty of money to go around his crew.
"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.
I think the Cavs
used to do it for LeBron, not sure if the Heat agreed to it for any/all of them. I read the Bulls flat out said no to that nonsense, so it was probably a factor.
by Katherine215 on Jul 23, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
hearing that
actually makes me feel even better about us not signing LeBron. Yes, he’s talented & omg the possibilities, but more and more he seems like an arrogant entitled asshat. I’ll stick with DRose, thank you very much. And that actually gives more integrity to the Bulls brass, IMO.
my thoughts exactly!
Well, ok, my thoughts after reading that were more like, Fuck you, LeBron, you selfish, egotistical prick, tell your buddies to get real jobs like the rest of us.
by Katherine215 on Jul 23, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
What is a LeBron James?
Sounds like something from the planet Twilo.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
I think it is a chauffer
with some kind of fancy title.
Didn't Chrysler
have a car in the ’80s called the LeBron James with rich Corinthean leather?
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
And a little guy running around the commercial saying
“de plane, de plane”
Yeah, something like that
and some old lady asking where to find the beef.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
or a case of bourbon per start
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by BigCSouthside on Jul 22, 2010 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
You all know
who I’d love to have between the pipes again /points at screen name
"Kane is skating as if his mullet is on fire." - 6/9/10, 10:06PM CST
Aw heck.
Let’s bring back Jeff Hackett
by northernsails on Jul 23, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I was always a Jeff Hackett fan ...
he really stepped up when Belfour let and played decently for a few years. Not the greatest goaltender in the world but rose to a difficult situation (kinda like Niemi).
by Billy Charlesbois on Jul 23, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Hard to believe Panger played in the NHL.
We had a goalie in high school who was about Pang’s height. Sieve, sieve, sieve, sieve…
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
Pang had a "six hole"
It was the space between the top of his head and the crossbar.
"Kane is skating as if his mullet is on fire." - 6/9/10, 10:06PM CST
by chevrier30 on Jul 23, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Exactly
Nice guy, knows hockey, not completely hideous as a color guy, but NHL goalie? Anyway… Where were we?
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
Now that's fuckin hilarious!
Good thing most people in my office are gone for the day cause I just bust out laughing out loud on that one!
And just for the record, I’m only 5’6" and still think that’s tear sheddingly funny!
"Life is a long lesson in humility."
- James M. Barrie
Finally, someone I'm taller than! (barely)
I’m a ‘tender too, albeit a different sport & I haven’t played for years. Made the position a bit more interesting than it would be for most goalies, methinks.
I would love to see
Any of you incredibly smart people on this board (no sarcasm, I am serious) do an analysis and breakdown of what we have right now…as a team, and how that looks for this season as we now stand,.
In my quick analysis
We will need more scoring out of the top 2 lines. We will still compete for the division, many factors (injuries and other unknows) will affect that. But… once the playoffs start, anything can happen
nothin but smiles
my Captain is better than your Captain
agree
the biggest difference will be a few stretches during the season where the Hawks don’t score. Most teams go through this, but we were spoiled last year in this regard, according to my eye test anyway.
I wonder if a “median goals per game” (or e.g. 75th%ile) analysis for last year would show anything interesting.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
We have the bonus
of having Bolland and Hossa for full seasons, which we didn’t have last year. So that should help a bit too. And Hossa having a year of chemistry with Sharp/Toews/whoever will help too.
by Katherine215 on Jul 23, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Hossa
That is one thing I’d bet a lot of us are forgetting. He didnt play for the majority of the season and still was able to jump right in with this team. Having him on board for the start and working with Sharpie will do wonders for that second line.
well, he only missed
about 2 months, actually, but I think it’s more the time it took him to get into full form. He probably wasn’t playing up to his usual speed until January or February, rigth? So at least half the season from him. And he will probably be playing more consistently with Sharpie or Toews, depending on the line generator, so the consistency will be a factor, too.
by Katherine215 on Jul 23, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
But what an entry against the Sharks!
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 23, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
it sure was!
still one of my favorite games of last season. The Sharks just looked shocked that whole game.
by Katherine215 on Jul 23, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I can count well, 2 months doesnt = majority.
Its why I don’t do things with numbers very often.
Anyway, yes that’s what I was getting at. He was out for a good chunk, then took time to round back into form. While I don’t think he will be a Hart Finalist or anything, we should see a noticeable rise in his stats. This would also provide a nice boost to those around him.
Hopefully we get another highlight goal like his whacking it out of the air and in.
hah, I was trying to find a tactful way
of poitning that out. :) I think we are in agreement on Hossa and the increased impact he’ll have this year.
by Katherine215 on Jul 23, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
And
I always felt Hossa was pressing a little bit last year (from the weight of alleged previous SCF failure). He should be relaxed this year. I expect him to kick some serious ass.
by stanfordron on Jul 23, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
And
He just got married which should also help to relax him. I just hope he is not too tired from the honeymoon.
in his salary/status class - he may well be far more rested than normal from now on
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It did seem like he was pressing.
Each time he scored a goal in the playoffs he celebrated not simply because he scored, but seemingly because he broke another scoreless stretch. I hope you’re right and he’ll feel no pressure and score like he’s Marian Hossa.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
its a great idea at the moment, but
we really won’t have a good idea of “what we have right now” until all the whole roster is known and that probably won’t be until after camp. Trying to speculate or project who and/or where, depth wise, our Blackhawks squad will be for next season while we don’t even know the final decision on Niemi’s arbitration seems just a bit too presumptions, IMO.
I don’t mean to burst your curiosity bubble. Hell, Im curious myself!
If anything, we can take solace in (1) we are DEFENDING STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS
(2) Stan was able to sign Toews, Kane & Keith to long term deals, and while we had to make needed roster cuts for even more needed salary cap room Stan has additionally (3) stockpiled our development systems with talented and promising prospects, some who are only one year (Beach, Lalonde) or two years (Morin, Kruger) away from playing with TOP TIER NHL Talent.
And I can say our Blackhawks are made up of TOP TIER TALENT since its not hard to imagine that next season Keith will probably play an average of 27-30mins/game while displaying why he won The Norris Trophy, Kane & Hossa will continue to be offensive dynamos, Sharp will be contending for his 5TH, CONSECUTIVE, 20+ Goal Reg Season, and Toews will be the “Will-Machine” for the Chicago Blackhawks, to quote Mike Babcock. All this while being DEFENDING STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS!!! (never gets old. never)
THIS sums it all up, IMO.
LETS GO HAWKS!!!!!
"It's The Chicago Blackhawks, man." ~ Jeremy Roenick, June 9th, 2010.
From' my vantage point ...
It looks like we are going to have plenty to be excited about and plenty to complain about. In other words, it should be another great year on Second City Hockey.
I think if the players all get the cup for a day, the fans should all day Huet for day. With your day you can have him clean your gutters, babysit your kid, give french lessons, or just hang out. At least his cap hit won’t feel so bad if he’s doing yard work.
by Billy Charlesbois on Jul 22, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Someone needs to frame him for a crime
so that he gets deported or flees the country.
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 23, 2010 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions
#1 funny comment of the day
I’d like to shoot some pucks at him.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
let me go on record as saying
I am also not “incredibly smart”. But I AM “incredibly passionate”.
That has to count for something.
"It's The Chicago Blackhawks, man." ~ Jeremy Roenick, June 9th, 2010.
Im re watching game 6
how is Doc Emerick still alive?
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"What Chaos!"
*Shudders * Please dont remind me.
by northernsails on Jul 23, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Phew
I almost ordered his jersey. Just when you start to think this may be the guy for you…
The sun never sets on a badass
...they go and leave you, right?
First Madden, now Reasoner. So much betrayal!
by Katherine215 on Jul 23, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
has Madden been signed anywhere yet?
do you think he’d be willing to take even MORE of a paycut?
/wishful thinking
Madden's currently unsigned
We can live in hope. There’s a full UFA team here. It’s a bit weak at centre, but overall it isn’t entirely horrible.
In my dreams, he plays for league minimum
reality, not so much. :(
by Katherine215 on Jul 23, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
In my dreams there is no salary cap.
And I talk my wife into sliding into the living on a closet full of walnuts.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
I don't mind the cap
I don’t like the baseball situation and the huge gap in payrolls between teams. Plus, I think it makes GMs work harder and smarter, not just, “sign as many big name free agents as possible and hope the star power blinds other teams into a world series win.”
No comment on the rest of that dream!
by Katherine215 on Jul 23, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
So,
you are not impressed with the Jim Hendry method of free agent selection and team building?
Living ROOM that is.
and I don’t blame you, Katherine. LOL
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
Pay no attention to the UFAs still out there...
Check for your thumbs – Mwa hahaha!
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Jul 23, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Badgerdano
just thanked you for his Laura Petrie moment for today.
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
by puppetmasterp on Jul 24, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
That's a classic!
I have to get that picture blown up! LOL
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
Story of my life.
I didn’t even get to see a shirtless pic of him.
And to other comments, yeah, I keep watching to see if Madden signs anywhere. Wouldn’t league minimum be better than nothing?
The sun never sets on a badass
Would YOU sign for a paltry $550,000/year?
Where is your pride?
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
I'm bored....
can’t wait for the DVD to get delivered. I watched the ’05 Sox DVD almost exclusively for two weeks. I believe the Hawks one may make it to a month.
[Tornado] sirens just went off...I grabbed another beer.
This
would really upset me (from Tim Sassone of the Daily Herald):
Meanwhile, in a potentially interesting development, there are rumors of the Hawks possibly preparing to offer 19-year-old University of Minnesota defenseman Nick Leddy a contract.
I am really looking forward to watching Leddy play for the UofM this year, so I hope this possibility is as vague as Sassone makes it sound (really, he used “rumors” and “possibly preparing to” in the same sentence). Leddy gave me a reason to pay more attention to college hockey. Tim, of course, reads into this rumor as substantiating the other rumors about a possible trade of Brian Campbell because Leddy could potentially take over Soupy’s place on the Hawks.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
The sooner they replenish the pipeline the better
If they wind up keeping all of the draft picks that they’ve aquired recently, Rockford should be a very interesting place over the next few years.
I know
I’m just being a bit selfish because the UofM is a lot easier for me to watch then the Rockford team.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
Leddy
gwood, what is your take on the kid? Would he have any chance in hell of making the big club? I had read previously that he does not look ready at all but this rumor sounds like some people believe he is.
In all honesty
I don’t know. I didn’t get to see much of the U’s season last year and he was only a freshman. The team as a whole had a very disappointing season, finishing under .500, so his stats needs to be read with that in mind. He scored 11 points (3G 8A) in 30 games, but led the Gophers at a +6. He played a lot on the power play, but didn’t play at all on the PK.
Every indication prior to prospect camp was that he would likely need all 4 years in college before he was ready. That apparently has changed, but he should probably get (at least) another year considering how much longer it usually takes for D-men to mature into NHL ready players. I’m looking forward to watching Leddy more closely this year and providing more info during the season.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
this all came up on espn’s rumors page a couple of days ago. it started with a tweet:
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/2kvaop
which discussed some rumors on gopher boards about him signing a deal coming out of prospects camp. then this article kind of debunks everything:
the only reason i gave it any mind was that i heard last year in various places that some of the nhl teams were unhappy with the gopher coach. there were rumors that they didn’t like how prospects were regressing under him. when i heard about the leddy deal that popped into my head and i wondered if the hawks were trying to get him out of the gopher system and develop him in rockford.
gwood, can you comment on the coach at all?
I can only comment
to the extent that I to have heard that there is negativity toward Don Lucia, the current Minnesota hockey coach. Some of what I’ve heard is about how he works the players, but most is in regard to his failures in terms of recruiting top Minnesota talent to the gophers. A lot of good MN players are leaving to play college hockey in North Dakota, Wisconsin, or Boston.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
MN players in WI
The Badgers have always had a sprinkling of MN natives on the team including four going into the 2010-11 season. I’ve read some vague negative comments about Lucia also but was never sure what the real problem was. He won a couple of National Championships so he can’t be doing too much wrong.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
WTF?
Zetterberg’s wedding picture
Sorry it is so large, but when I shrank it, all you saw were horizontal lines.
I think you mean Zetterbergs' wedding picture
that’s a whole lot of Zetterbergs. Where’s Hank in that picture?
Ditto for CNS
I think he's in the front
with the hat on, next to the seated elderly couple.
by Katherine215 on Jul 23, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Is the guy to the right of Z
wearing nothing but a robe, which is open??
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
Me neither
but I think now it’s one of those pink/purple suits OMF pointed out.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
Dread Pirate Roberts
Not every day that name comes up. LOL What a strange wedding.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
Purple, as opposed to stripes
Whats the significance there? Looks like 10 people escaped the strange striped one-piece and got to wear…. a purple one piece
Pierre McGuire?
If you have nothing better to do, snag the picture and zoom in on the area about two people up and to the left of the elderly gentleman in the white robe in the front row. I might be hallucinating, but that looks allot like Pierre McGuire, but it’s most likely Brian Rafalski. Too bad those rumors about McGuire being in the running for Tampa’s GM job turned out to be just rumors. It would have been excellent to rid NBC’s broadcast team of that parasite and have JR serve as the on-ice analyst position.
This is the more elaborate video shoot that Robert Palmer has ever tried ...
from the grave no less.
by Billy Charlesbois on Jul 23, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Haven't seen this here yet.
From http://committedindians.com/:
“Late Thursday the Blackhawks agreed to terms with center Evan Brophey on a two-way contract. The deal has a base salary of $500k, and is only one year in length, according to CapGeek.com.
Brophey was selected in the third round (68th overall) by the Blackhawks in the 2005 draft. He is listed at 6’1 and 205 pounds and has spent the past three seasons in Rockford, where he scored 14 goals and added 17 assists in 79 games for the IceHogs last year. He will turn 24 in December."
he was at 800k last year (for NHL time)
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Word could be getting around to the Rockford-bound guys..
that if you want any call-up time in ‘10-’11, you’d better be signed for close to the NHL minimum?
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Jul 23, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
If they're just starting to figure this out
they must be about as intelligent as Ben Eager but without the extensive Sesame Street-watching.
When I saw him, he seemed like a tough kid
not great, not awful. Probably exactly what the Hawks need on the 4th line.
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 23, 2010 12:23 PM CDT reply actions
repy fail to oregon
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 23, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
From CBC Sports (via Yahoo)
The last time Vancouver Canucks fans saw Sami Salo(notes) on the ice, he battled through an undisclosed injury in a failed attempt to help the team force a seventh playoff game against Chicago in the NHL Western Conference semifinals.
Salo’s injury woes haven’t subsided in the off-season. The latest, according to a report that surfaced Friday out of Finland, is a torn Achilles tendon that came while playing floor hockey and could keep the defenceman on the sidelines for three months.
The Canucks have yet to confirm or deny the report.
The Canucks just confirmed it.
Out indefinitely.
too bad they don't have any other mediocre defenseman
who could step up and…oh….wait….
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
by puppetmasterp on Jul 24, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
That guy has my infinite respect for playing in game 6 ...
the kind of respect I typically only reserve for wounded veterans and officers of the peace. Maybe instead of Toews lake they should have one named after him.
by Billy Charlesbois on Jul 23, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
NHL.com's current survey: who should be the Sharks' next captain?
Boyle: 20.19%
Marleau: 25.29%
Pavelski: 13.12%
Thornton: 38.85%
Other: 2.55%
This must be the “Ovechkin and Kovalchuk will be great captains, right?” school of logic…
I think Other should get the captancy
they need a change of pace.
by stanfordron on Jul 23, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember hearing that boyle is one of the big leaders on that team
I’d think he would get it.
Ditto for CNS
it may be b/c i'm actually a 50 year-old man in disguise
(or so i have been told many times by friends and family), but Ive been loving all the Dick Van Dyke references.
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
by puppetmasterp on Jul 24, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
If so
you’re the best looking 50 year old man I have ever seen! LOL
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
i hide it well. ty.
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
by puppetmasterp on Jul 25, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
What the...?
That’s it! Puppet is Finkle! Finkle is Puppet!
Puppet’s a man!
Oh, my GOD! Puppet’s a man!
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 26, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I just like that
we have a guy nicknamed “pickles” in our sport. Top that Coco Crisp!
II Can Finally Die Happy Now!
giving Thornton the captaincy
would be a dumb move. and i’m probably the biggest non-sharks fan Thornton apologist i’ve ever met. but Thornton’s a practical joke-loving goofball, it would be like making a more skilled version of Burish a captain.
I do agree though that I think Boyle should probably be the one to end up with the captaincy, he was THE guy trying to keep morale up in the Sharks locker room during the WCFs this year. If not Boyle, then maybe Marleau.
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
by puppetmasterp on Jul 24, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm going to miss Reasoner
I thought he was definitely a part of our offseason core group. He never took a night off.
1961 is a long time ago.
Adam West approved trade
He’s a man that loves his Taffe
Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoUpF7rvfnk
1. Most ridiculously funny scene ever (right up with the shark scene)
2. By any chance Batman is that a bomb??? How did you know?
3. Why must Batman run in such a manly fashion with that bomb over his head? Is that safer than holding it under your arm?
Last 30 secs…
4. “Batman! Batman!” “Umm, I’m right fucking next to you Robin. How the fuck did you not see me??”
5. Viva riffraff!
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 23, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Ye Olde Benbow Taverne
They may be drinkers, but they’re also human beings – they may be salvaged.
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
haha was just going to post that
whose up next? Nasville? Vancouver?
2009-2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Chicago Blackhawks
instead of "Raising the Cup"
it should say “Suck it, Bitches”
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by BigCSouthside on Jul 23, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Wat is the story on
Makarov, 23,——————-who is listed at 6’1 and 185 pounds and possesses a great combination of speed, versatility and energy according to scouts. Most analysis indicates that he’s a smart forward with good puck-handling skills and plays a good two-way game while not being limited because of a slight size disadvantage.
At $552,000 per season does he fit…..do we dare even put a “russian” in a Blackhawk Jersey?———Per my new favorite web site “Committed Indian” seems he jus signed up for another year with the underlying request that he plays at the NHL level
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
isnt makarov
the name of a character on Modern Warfare?
he was russian special agent, maybe he can incorporate those skills somehow
Jesse Roger says we signed Bickell
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3 yrs, dont know how much
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by BigCSouthside on Jul 23, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
score! that'll fill in the gap in my heart where reasoner used to live
I can't wait to dive into a pool and end up in a jacuzzi
by desertindian on Jul 23, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Here we are (as i see it)
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Troy Brouwer ($1.025m)
Marian Hossa ($5.275m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m)
Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Bryan Bickell ($0.541m)
Jack Skille ($0.600m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Robert Klinkhammer ($0.500m)
/ Jeff Taffe ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brian Campbell ($7.142m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Shawn Lalonde ($0.773m) / Jordan Hendry ($0.625m)
/ John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($0.800m) /Antti Niemi ($2.000m)
CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $4,157,753
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,491,590; BONUSES: $285,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $193,410
Nothing has changed. Until we sign a starting goaltender/learn niemi’s price, we’re nowhere.
I really hope bowman isn’t stupid enough to overpay niemi.
by oregon_hawk on Jul 23, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree with your lineup
except for Lalonde, I think we might see Vishnevskiy before we see him.
by Katherine215 on Jul 23, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
Vishnevskiy has about as many NHL games (5) as Lalonde has AHL games (8). We might see him next season, but hopefully not this season (unless it’s in the dying games of the regular season, to train him up a bit; wouldn’t really mind that).
"Backloaded" contract for Bickell
$500k this year, $525k next, $600k in 2012-3
Every penny counts…
by Damen Madison on Jul 24, 2010 2:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I like this.
This is the first time I’ve seen a calculated full roster and actually thought “that works”.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 24, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
other than the Keith/Campbell pairing
I think this works.
Hopefully Niemi get $2m then, since we can’t seem to afford anything more.
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