Blackhawks Sign Marty Turco?
by Killion on Aug 1, 2010 10:25 PM CDT
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PrintWhile there's been no official word - there are a ton of rumors flying around, seemingly starting with WGN's Dan Roan, that the Blackhawks and Marty Turco have agreed to a one-year deal that will pay Turco $1.75 Million for the upcoming season. At least a few people are claiming the reports are bunk, notably Adam Jahns from the Sun Times. But we'll have to wait and see. Probably won't get anything official til the morning.. so feel free to get some sleep.
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Well if its the way it has to be....
I’ll take Turdcoat over Theodore…..
I'm somewhat excited about this.
I think he can have a great season with us. If this doen’ty happen I’ll video tape shooting myself in the foot and you guys can watch.
Ah geeeeaz, ah geeeeeez, ah geeeeez, oh crap.
I do like his price tag
Go jump in Toews Lake.
Aubrey: old German for king of the elves. Huff: English for...huff.
So does that mean we're just going to let Niemi walk without getting something in return?
Seems pretty stupid on the management’s part if that’s the case. I’m sure there are several teams out there willing to take Niemi in exchange for a pick/prospect or two.
Management will be burning some serious bridges
They take the Stanley Cup winning goalie to arbitration, then decide not to accept the decision, and then get a Goalie foe just 1M less and then not allow the Stanley Cup winning Goalie his UFA right to chose where he can go and negotiate a contract with another team.
I dont think Chicago will trade Nemmi
bread. butter. cheese. VICTORY!
by Prometheus74 on Aug 1, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Niemi took them to arbitration. Niemi was a RFA , not an UFA, until he took them to arbitration and potentially cost the team their right to get compensated. Just the opposite IMO. He knew the situation.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 1, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
like Katherine has argued
Niemi isn’t pure as driven snow in this – ultimately he is the decision maker. Zito can encourage and fight his client to take them to arbitration, but it won’t happen unless Niemi agrees.
I don't believe that
Zito is telling him he can get more in the Russian or Finland league – Niemi may be a great goalie, but he’s listening to Zito, he is not in this as a negotiator and he’s listening to what his agent tells him. If he’s the ultimate decision maker it’s because Zito told him what his decision should be.
/shrug
and I don’t believe that Niemi is an idiot that would simply roll over and do whatever Zito tells him to.
We’re not going to agree about this, so I’m just going to stop with this useless argument here.
Player/agent contracts
do not allow for the player to have a voice – believe it, this is not Niemi as idiot, he is not, but he has no choice. That’s why we will not agree – you don’t know how these contracts are structured.
"You don't know the history of psychiatry - I do!"
Hear me now and believe me later?
(I’m also thinkin’ that the player has some say in how the agent conducts business on the player’s behalf.)
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 2, 2010 2:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I reject your reality
and substitute my own in its place.
by northernsails on Aug 2, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
you're right
I’m not going to believe you until I actually see this contract you claim that Niemi has signed, which makes him give up all his rights as a player. Until then, I’m just going to base my opinion on the years of case law I’ve studied and contracts I’ve studied, seen and dealt with.
You can base your opinion on whatever you like.
well look at you with all of your facts and logical reasoning
clearly yardsale has no room for these kinds of things in his brain
HAWKS! ... that is all
"Vader was seduced by...
ahem, sorry. “Niemi was seduced by the dark side of agent-client privelege.”
by northernsails on Aug 2, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't you know
how agents fuck everything up, including the best interests of their clients, in many situations?
The neighbor's dog made me do it
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 1, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
It was the Leprechaun
in the deep end of the sandbox. He told me to burn things.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
And Niemi should burn his contract with Zito
Agents are always looking out for their cut, not really the ultimate best interests of their clients.
I don't see that as burning bridges at all.
1 – Nemo initiated the arbitration. 2- not accepting the decision because lack of cap space is understandable. 3- getting a cheaper goalie is obviously necessary under a tight budget. 4- trading a goalie instead of letting him walk off as a UFA is a smarter business decision.
The only bridges I think that will be burned are those who don’t understand that hockey is also a business, and these athletes know that just as well.
Important lesson?
Take Bowman to arbitration or threaten to; get sent to Atlanta or Edmonton. The lesson? Don’t fuck w/Bowman.
I agree it is a business too
Apparently this report does not. A bit harsh in my mind.
How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?
I chalk this up to just business as well ...
In my opinion, not only is it just “business as usual” but the cap situation also gives the Hawks’ management cover to do whatever they need to resolve the problem. If that includes hurting Neimi’s feelings then somebody throw a bib on him and call his mama to come pick him up.
by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 2, 2010 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Who said Niemi's feelings were hurt?
I highly doubt he will be reading this article either. It was basically blaming him for not accepting a smaller offer.
How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?
Nobody said his feelings were hurt ...
That was just a roundabout way of saying “you’ve gotta do what you’ve gotta do” in business and allowing me to quote 2 out of 3 of Yul Brenner’s lines from Westworld. Clearly Niemi will be fine. I would have taken the money too.
by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 2, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Deal
Anyone else hear Niemi was offered 2.6/Year for 3 years at the beginning of the off season? Anyhow, I can’ see the Hawks moving him. If they agree to terms with Turco, its probably bye-bye for Niemi.
That was the rumored deal
Not sure if it were true but it was also before the Hawks got Hjalmarsson offer sheeted by the Sharks. We couldn’t make that same offer now or else we would have.
Im aware
Yeah I heard it was before the offer sheet and I am well aware of the Cap situation. Even though it doesn’t matter because they can’t give him that deal anyways. Im fine with Turco at 1.75. Just want to see how they round out the team. There is about 3.18 available for 3 more guys (20 man Roster).
Adam Jahns just tweeted "Ugh. Ugh. Ugh."
Wonder if he cares to elaborate on the subject?
by SharpDressedMan on Aug 1, 2010 10:34 PM CDT reply actions
I've got like eight interpretations on what it could mean
but an actual answer would be best.
however, if it is true, I look forward to reading all of Jesse Rogers’ histronics
Go jump in Toews Lake.
Aubrey: old German for king of the elves. Huff: English for...huff.
yeah, looks like he just wants confirmation
and there is none.
Go jump in Toews Lake.
Aubrey: old German for king of the elves. Huff: English for...huff.
I'd rather have a 22 man roster.
but I guess that’s the line for everyone.
Go jump in Toews Lake.
Aubrey: old German for king of the elves. Huff: English for...huff.
these two comments
sum up the two views succinctly. time will tell who’s right.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
NHLSource on twitter
is claiming we will hear that Niemi is gone and Turco is here. Lets see if they’re full of shit.
Ah geeeeaz, ah geeeeeez, ah geeeeez, oh crap.
yep
I’ve been around less lately because it gets very repetitive. I just want to know what the team is going to pick, and for the season to start and there to be hockey back in my living room.
Until then, baseball season.
Go jump in Toews Lake.
Aubrey: old German for king of the elves. Huff: English for...huff.
We only need average to slightly above average
defense in front of Turco to have a good chance to repeat
:P
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 1, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
isn't it something we keep going on and on about
that our defense is definitely above average?
by northernsails on Aug 2, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
i was placing our defense as
“best in the league”
I would tend to agree
just being consistent.
by northernsails on Aug 2, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Humor fail?
I was turning the tables on the whole “we only need average goaltending to win behind our defense” debate from last year.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 2, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather have no Salary Cap
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
by cdz3210 on Aug 1, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
This.
I see it's "no criminal record" night at the ballpark -- billyok before a game against the A's
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by chisoxfan1473 on Aug 1, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
No Salary Cap means you may also have no cup, since who knows if Hossa or Campbell would have come… unless Wirtz really doesn’t give a shit about $$$ at all. And also who knows how stacked some of your opposition would have been.
If I were a Hawks fan, I’d argue that this current CBA system is the best system that’s been in place in the last 49 years hands down!
by Beantown Canuck on Aug 1, 2010 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Hello Beantown
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner
by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 2, 2010 1:35 AM CDT up reply actions
So sure are you
So it was because every team is strapped to the same anchor that Hossa came to the Hawks? No other reason at all? Not because of their great young talent or the fact that they have the best young captain/centerman in the league? Nothing at all?
by northernsails on Aug 2, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
* takes a bow *
I’d like to thank all the little people who made that post possible…but I cant seem to find them.
by northernsails on Aug 2, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
No I’m not sure. But what is sure: Under this system, you won the Stanley Cup, under every system in the previous 49 years, you did not. Thus, if I were a Chicago fan, I would be happy with the system.
by Beantown Canuck on Aug 2, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I hear what you're saying
I know you weren’t trying to take anything away from the talent that was on the Hawks roster or their achievement, but yeah, who knows how some of the these scenarios would have played out under a different system.
I personally feel that without the cap in place the Nucks probabvly would’ve won the Cup at least once in the past two years. (OK, now I’m just fuckin’ with ya ;)
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 2, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah
I know it’s not concrete. My guess is that they will accept the decision, trade and then sign Turco. Trust me I want Niemi more.
Ah geeeeaz, ah geeeeeez, ah geeeeez, oh crap.
Turco + his puckhandling/outlet passes = mega-offense
imagine the breakout with him. and he’s still athletic as hell
Don't Toews Me Bro!!
According to Chris Kuc It appears that Dan Roan
is the only person that knows about this
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
But my God,
won’t somebody think of the broadcasters!?!
by SharpDressedMan on Aug 1, 2010 10:57 PM CDT reply actions
Now this from The Fourth Period
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
Yea who told him that...
I think it’s just a local sports guy just trying to scoop everyone by being the first to says its done.. so now tomorrow if it happens, he can say “as we at WGN told you first…”
Feel free to get some sleep?
Haven’t really gotten any since they traded Byfuglien,.
Why do we need to run out and sign Turco anyway? It seems like a lot of people seem fine with Toivonen (too lazy to look up the spelling but you know who I’m talking about) as a backup, and Bowman had some good things to say about Crawford. I doubt anybody else is going to rush out to sign Turco. Why not just go with Crawford and…the other guy… until they prove they can’t handle the work, and then sign Turco?
I’m probably not the first to suggest this. Stupid idea?
Its either Chicago, backup in Nashville, or hanging up the sparkly pads and hit the links for good.
bread. butter. cheese. VICTORY!
by Prometheus74 on Aug 1, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless he’s had inside knowledge of how things were going to go with Niemi all along, he probably would have signed somewhere else. I’ve heard reports of him turning down Philly on multiple occasions.
Philly is a dead option
We would have loved to go to the Flyers, but it’s not happening," Turco texted CSNPhilly.com late Saturday from Scotland.
bread. butter. cheese. VICTORY!
by Prometheus74 on Aug 1, 2010 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Poorly made point that I forgot to finish- if Turco had other options, I imagine he would have signed by now instead of waiting out the Niemi situation. But I could be wrong.
I agree
For Turco its Chicago or bust!
He had turned down a three-year, $6 million contract offer in Early June and since then its become a nightmare for him.
bread. butter. cheese. VICTORY!
by Prometheus74 on Aug 1, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
hey, Germware,
Turco’s in Scotland! Can you go hunt him down and find out the REAL deal?
by Katherine215 on Aug 2, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
who has said good things about Toivo?
I haven’t heard any…please tell me what’s good about him, because I know absolutely nothing about this guy. (not sarcasm, I really don’t, and I haven’t heard anyone talk about him outside his low cap hit)
I know nothing about him, truthfully. Any time I’ve seen someone post a capgeek roster, he’s been the backup instead of Crawford. I’m taking it on faith that other people are comfortable with him. At the same time, he’s a backup goalie. When have we ever depended on a backup goalie?
looks at banner on side of SCH FUCK!
All I know is
he fell over his net once.
by Katherine215 on Aug 2, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
What's scarier?
1) Turco and Crawford
2) Niemi and Toivonen
If we give niemi 2.75, the Toivonen for Crawford cost cutting move would almost certainly need to be done. If Niemi doesn’t turn out to be a consitently solid 60 game goalie, we’d see a lot of Toivonen.
If Turco has a bad year, I at least feel somewhat comfortable giving Crawford a shot.
This isn’t a solid argument to take Turco over Niemi, just something to think about.
Ditto for CNS
Low math test scores are scarier this week.
Turco $1.5-$1.75m + Crawford $800k = $2,300,000-2,550,000
Niemi $2.75m + Toivonen $500k = $3,250,000
It’s not either/or – it’s the rumored Turco deal, or trading away someone else to fit Niemi’s arb award under our cap. If one of the ‘five or six’ plans Bowman mentioned involved just accepting Niemi’s arb award, he would have just done so and got a big ovation at the convention over the weekend. That there was no announcement until today strongly suggests that another shoe is going to drop one way or another.
Also, to all those arguing to keep Niemi at virtually all costs: It’s not like the rest of us don’t like Niemi’s potential.. certainly we all appreciate his contributions. If it were up to 80% of us, we wouldn’t have blinked at paying Niemi $3m.. probably not even closer to $4m on a one-year ‘prove it wasn’t a fluke’ deal. But that’s not an option with the hard cap situation the organization faces.
Don’t take Turco ‘love’ as being Niemi ‘hate’ here. It’s the math. It’s not personal Sonny, it’s just business.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 2, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I never said that the crawford toivonen swap was all that had to be done
to keep niemi. But barring a trade of a bolland or sharp type player, toivonen as the backup would have been 1 of a number of things (as you say). I never said the goalie tandums matched up dollar for dollar. No math test failed.
Ditto for CNS
Take it easy, Sonny
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 2, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Crawford beat him 2-1 in a SO last year in Rockford
at the game where the former Icehog Hawks attended with Coach Hav. He looked good in that game, but other than he’s super flexible, I haven’t heard anything positive.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 1, 2010 11:12 PM CDT reply actions
reply fail
to ahtrap ahfire onfire ahnfire
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 1, 2010 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Just keep Niemi DAMNIT. Turco is OK and yes Theodore makes Turco look like Ken Dryden but still.
----2010 MOTHERFUCKIN' STANLEY CUP CHAMPS, CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS!----
Rose-Boozer-Noah
Tommy T is a defensive wiz!
We have a HORSE named Horsa.
Just lock up Seabs now!
Well in fairness you want to Hawks to do the impossible. Sign Niemi and lock up Seabrook this instant.
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46 year contract for Seabs...
Works out to a 1.0MM cap hit. Dan Roan said it’s true….
by Stan Mikita's Donuts on Aug 1, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
If Ture..
I understand if you wanted to keep Niemi but please stop shitting on Tuco. Keep your emotions out of this. Antii Niemi isn’t crying about this and neither should we.
I hope the bastard gets stuck in Edmonton and never wins again.
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What happened to keeping emotion out of this?
I hope the bastard gets stuck in Edmonton and never wins again
How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?
Fair point. Since he cared more about money than winning….I hope he gets stuck in Edmonton.
I meant to convey lets not crap all over Turco just because were sad about Niemi.
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Zito cared more about money
he screwed his client
i can't see
how this conversation ends well.
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
by puppetmasterp on Aug 1, 2010 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Zito will sign the chickens
and then screw them out of the best deal
How do you put a link in your sig?
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Aug 1, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I just entered the HTML into the Edit Profile page. It must not be difficult because I did it properly
can you shoot me an email with instructions for morons?
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Aug 2, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions
So what does the Epic of Gilgamesh written in Aramaic have to do with fly fishing?
And who the fuck fishes for flies anyways??
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 2, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Dude...
I work for a Japanese company…
That “gif” is awesome!
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
I'm not sure the client is totally aware of this
he’s relying on what he’s being told – Zito is looking out for himself
imagine if walsh was niemis agent
we’d already have the answer, and 138 other characters complaining about hawks management to go along with it
by Baaaaaaannnerrrmaaaaan!!! on Aug 2, 2010 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Have you ever seen a player's contract
It basically gives the agent total control – the player has no voice, he signs it over to the agent – the player is not allowed to speak, let alone think., so don’t blame this on Niemi – I truly think he wants to be here, and would have taken less money, but he is not allowed to say so.
Are you kidding me?
He’s not a fucking indentured servant, if he wanted to sign with the hawks for less money, he would have. If Zito tells him he can’t, he fires Zito. He’s not a down on his luck actor who’s lucky to have representation. Zito works for Niemi, not the other way around.
by Bellwether Meltdown on Aug 2, 2010 5:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
The player always has the final say. He listens to his agent for advice and then the player makes the decision.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
While it sucks to see a young goaltender walk...
Turco at 1.75 opens of the possibility of a 22 man roster that includes Kyle Beach.
I’d rather have Beach and a deep Defensive Core than losing depth for Nemo…
by Stan Mikita's Donuts on Aug 1, 2010 11:38 PM CDT reply actions
True
I had Toivonen in there…. may not be the best option. It can be done with Crawford if you go with Cullimore over Vish or LaLonde…
So it can be done, but it’s a very interesting decision…. I think it would be great to get Beach up full time.
by Stan Mikita's Donuts on Aug 1, 2010 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with your thoughts on Beach. I know many question his grey matter on this site but I want to see what he can do.
Apparently
reading the words was even more difficult
ouch
One of my favorite things about this organization is their dedication to humiliating their players in the name of fanservice.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Aug 2, 2010 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather see what he can do
over a full season in the AHL. He’s too expensive and too questionable to take a risk on in the big leagues this year. I say give him a chance to prove himself in a full season with the Icehogs, and if he shows some signs of intelligence there, then we bring him up when we have a little more wiggle rooma dn confidence.
why do people want Beach up in the NHL so badly?
I think he needs some seasoning in the AHL and there hasn’t been anything to show me that he’s ready for the NHL yet.
by ahnfire on Aug 1, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm afraid the penalty box would have to install a revolving door for him
How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?
So make Beach the DPT:
Designated Penalty Taker
Like in baseball you have the DH, you make Beach the DPT!
Okay, yeah, I should be going to sleep now but since I’m smart somewhat intelligent average not that bright rather stupid, I’m up for another hour or so…
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by chisoxfan1473 on Aug 1, 2010 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
To me..
He’s a power forward, which we need a couple of with Ladd and Buff done. And 52 goals doesn’t lie..
Another year of seasoning in Rockford would be nice, but I’d rather have him reporting to Captain Serious every day than Huet….
by Stan Mikita's Donuts on Aug 1, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions
but it was 52 goals in the WHL right?
Bolland had 57 goals when he was in the major juniors and we have yet to see that same scoring touch.
Power forwards are nice, but we still got Brouwer and Dowell is coming up to replace Ladd. Buff only played like a power forward against Vancouver & the 2nd half of playoffs, so personally, I don’t see the need to rush “replacing” him in the current roster.
Buff only played like a power forward against Vancouver & the 2nd half of playoffs
Also known as that time when you won the Stanley Cup… but clearly it’s more important to be concerned with what your team looked like when it wasn’t winning Stanley Cups, right?
by Beantown Canuck on Aug 2, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions
It's not that easy dude
when you’re in a salary cap crunch, not bringing it every night is a big deal.
Ditto for CNS
well, the point was
we could afford to have Buff laze around in the regular season given the offense and how much our role players (i.e. 3rd & 4th line) stepped up and helped push us into the playoffs throughout the regular season.
We don’t have that same depth this year, so having someone laze around for 82 games isn’t going to help. There’s no point in focusing on the playoffs if we can’t get there to start with.
Seriously
but I’d rather have him reporting to Captain Serious every day than Huet….
Especially now with some of the older IceHogs like Skille, Bickell and Dowell likely to be with the big boys, I think as far as Beach’s maturing goes, he’d have far better examples in Chicago.
by SharpDressedMan on Aug 2, 2010 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Beach is a nut job
He will cost us so many penalty minutes that he’s not worth it
BUT WE NEED A GOON!!!!!!
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Aug 2, 2010 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought that was Scott
and he has really long arms.
and really wants to win
as evidenced at the convention. Almost all his answer had to do with the fact that he wants to win, and is looking forward to winning. I think he was just a bit frustrated in Minnesota…
I feel bad fro Jesus Havlat Christ
Back off man, I'm a scientist
Bug Chuckers Fly Fishing
by BigCSouthside on Aug 2, 2010 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
the convention made me want
a pic of Kane and Scott standing next to each other. I mean, Scott dwarfed the likes of Dowell and LeLonde. next to Kane, i’d imagine he’d look comical.
standing next to me, i’m pretty sure there would be no way you could get us in the same shot without cutting one of our heads out of the pic.
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
by puppetmasterp on Aug 2, 2010 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Stan Bow said it's time to see what Crawfish can do...
And since you can’t fit Crawfish and Niemi under the cap, that tells me Niemi is gone.
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
Not sure about this one
Then again, who knows, I don’t think I would have trusted Nemo in net a year ago
Back off man, I'm a scientist
A year ago Q and the Gang were saying that neither Niemi or Crawford “won” the competition for backup. That was a dead draw until the the day the roster was set.
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And we all saw what went down
Niemi pulled it out
Yup. It makes you wonder what Crawford would have done if they had decided to go the other way.
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then your head explodes
Back off man, I'm a scientist
Bug Chuckers Fly Fishing
by BigCSouthside on Aug 2, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
that is disturbing
but like a train wreck, I cant look away
Back off man, I'm a scientist
Bug Chuckers Fly Fishing
by BigCSouthside on Aug 2, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions
it's times like these
where I wish people would put a title with their pics/gifs/etc. Even just a period, so it could be closed.
Funny to think that last season might have hinged on the choice of backup goaltenders.
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The right choice was made
for the time, maybe part of it was that he fit with the chemistry of the team at absolutely the right time, and Huet did not—
I doubt it was chemistry.
I believe it had to do with Crawford would have to go through waivers and Niemi wouldn’t. They made almost the same money and played almost the same in the preseason. It was a matter of which contract was better.
by Katherine215 on Aug 2, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Then we should thank the NHL
For sending us to Finland. Letting the local boy start in his home country was initially why Niemi was picked.
And then he got the shut out against the Panthers (thanks, Panthers!)
Go jump in Toews Lake.
Aubrey: old German for king of the elves. Huff: English for...huff.
by shinkicker on Aug 2, 2010 7:28 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Extra! Extra! Same source who earlier claimed "Turco to Hawks" retracts!
Looks like Stan’s pulling an All-Nighter.
"It's The Chicago Blackhawks, man." ~ Jeremy Roenick, June 9th, 2010.
hope he has a lot of weed
Back off man, I'm a scientist
Bug Chuckers Fly Fishing
by BigCSouthside on Aug 2, 2010 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions
There is not enough weed in the world
to solve Stan’s present dilemna
Its a song by …And You will Know Us By The Trail of Dead
Im pretty sure its not about getting high in the morning though.
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Definitely not
but the trail of the dead leads to “Morning Dew”
Can we keep a tally for those who opposed signing Turco?
I just wanna make sure you’re all prepared to eat crow when February rolls around.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Aug 2, 2010 1:01 AM CDT reply actions
That's kind of a Broad Street Hockey kind of thing
I may be off base, but that’s not really done here – making people wrong and such.
there was a 30 rec post
proving someone was completely flip floppy on the Goaltender Debate
Back off man, I'm a scientist
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by BigCSouthside on Aug 2, 2010 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions
About people eating crow?
Or just an interesting debate.
What is the real benefit from either situation?
I really want to see if some of this makes sense to any of you plus im curious and want to know more.
Lets say we keep Niemi, then we feasibly can dress 20/21 guys and Kyle Beach gets called up occasionally (big whoop. i think Beach needs more AHL time, it can only help him) A rumored roster cut in this situation was Tomas Kopecky, and even though he had his glimmer in the spot light, who do you think had more impact overall in 09-10? Niemi or Kopecky? Saying bye bye to Kopecky doesn’t seem like such a bad option when you think about it, and we now can afford to dress Niemi.
However, if we sign Niemi, then trade, it will ultimately be for someone around the arbitrated value Niemi was awarded (right? am i wrong on this?). Edmonton & Washington were rumored to be pursuers of Niemi’s services but who knows?
Out of the two I think Edmonton would be the most likely to trade if it ever happened since their goalie situation is still lost from when Khabi’s back went out. Either Edmonton or Washington presents themselves as fairly ideal trading partners tho if push came to shove and Stan chose it best to get the best he can for his former “No-Name” Cup Winning Goalie.
Both The Oilers & The Caps have an exciting group of young prospects and restoring TEAM DEPTH is rarely seen as a bad option. If This plays out tho, it don’t think it’ll be for another goalie.
If we do sign & trade Niemi or even just let him walk, Turco seems to be the one to step in. In all fairness, he has been a pro for years. Dallas is not the greatest defensive team in the world and Turco could very well shine in Chicago. We won’t know until we see it but rumors flew around that Turco’s supposed price tag could be anywhere from 1-1.25MM LESS than what the arbitrator gave Niemi.
Theoretically, that kind of cap cushion could afford the Hawks to feasibly dress some 21-23 men, bring up Kyle Beach more regularly (big whoop, he could really use more AHL time.) and, well what say the cushion allows us to bring back John Madden?
Just throwing that out there, but could it happen?
Either way – If we keep Neimi or sign Turco they will both hypothetically be UFA after next season with people like Seabs, Brouwer & Sharpy and their extensions to be worked out.
It might not be so bad dressing a tight roster if we keep Niemi, however its a gamble tracking how Niemi will play after only 39 Reg Season starts.
But the guy won the Cup with us. He didn’t win it carrying us on his back, but he came up big in needed moments and never appeared shaken.
Granted, playing behind our Top-4 would probably make any goalie feel slightly more secure. But unless something else happens that none of us have thought about (a very likely scenario) StanBow is going to find himself shopping at Goalie-Mart for 2011-12 no matter if he goes with Niemi or Turco.
Right?
"It's The Chicago Blackhawks, man." ~ Jeremy Roenick, June 9th, 2010.
i know a lot of what i wrote seems like a summary
Just trying to wrap my head around all the scenarios.
But i could waste all night playing guessing games.
*sigh … ugh, is it Training Camp, yet?
"It's The Chicago Blackhawks, man." ~ Jeremy Roenick, June 9th, 2010.
Madden has told the Hawks he wont sign for less. Even with the extra million we cant afford him. Its Jeff Taffe for us!
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No, that was really good
you have written what many of us are thinking in this dead hockey period
thanks
well, thats too bad. Training Camp couldn’t come soon enough (anybody know if its Open To The Public?)
"It's The Chicago Blackhawks, man." ~ Jeremy Roenick, June 9th, 2010.
what's with hating on Nemo?
in one year, he showed more than Huet has in a career, but he’s not worth half of what we pay Huey for a one-year deal?
I’m not talkin’ about the Cap- I’m talkin’ about what the guy can reasonably expect to be paid. Why should he be asked to shoulder the entire burden of the Cap crunch?
If he ends up a cap casuality, bummer, but if we sign Nemo at $2.75 or sign Turco at $1.75, well, those ain’t bad options, and it’s not overwhelmingly obvious to me that the Turco route is better.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
by cliffkoroll on Aug 2, 2010 7:56 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Here's the thing
If Niemi keeps playing the way he has done, I think he’s worth $2.75mil. I do. But there are two main problems with this: first off, making this signing means that (this point’s been made a million times before, but fuck it) practically the whole roster outside of the core & Campbell/Hjammer will be filled with $0.5mil guys and/or rookies. It’s personal opinion as to whether this trade-off is worth it.
Secondly, I worded the first sentence carefully, saying, “If Niemi keeps playing the way he has done.” You might say, “there’s no reason to think he won’t,” but there was no reason to think Steve Mason or Andrew Raycroft would turn out like they did (Mason still has hope, but that’s beside the point). The fact is, you can’t say a ‘keeper is going to be great after only watching him for 50-odd games. You can’t. With Turco, you know exactly what you’re getting. With Niemi, you don’t. I think a one-year low-ish Cap-hit contract with the possibility of a nice pay rise next year would be more suitable, but whatever.
As for people bashing Niemi trying to get what he thinks he’s worth, I don’t really know what to say. I think he’s a bit naive if he thinks he deserves a tonne of money right now given his experience (you could say that Zito sucked him in, etc., but none of us knows for sure). Personally, I don’t really blame him because none of us can say we wouldn’t at least consider doing what he’s doing if we were in the same position, but he has to prove himself more before he can go around – apparently – asking for $4mil.
All I'm sayin'
is it’s not unreasonable for Niemi to ask for this. He may not get it- if so, that’s the caprice of the market, and tough luck to him.
I know Nemo’s resume is thin, but I don’t think the arbitration award is unreasonable. I’m hoping at least two other clubs with cap space agree.
We got a guy in an Indianhead who turned a hot two months on an also-ran into a $5.6 million 4-year deal. He sucks, and is beloved. Meanwhile, we’re running the guy who was beween the pipes for the Cup run out of town on a rail as a mercenary.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
and when I say "this"
I mean $2.75 million. That’s the number on the table- what Stan or Zito thought last week is irrelevant.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
I think calling Huet beloved is unfair
I can’t speak from personal experience, but from what I’ve heard, he’s a nice guy. He signed what was offered to him, can’t fault him for that.
Can’t speak for anyone else here, but my opinion is that he had bad luck; a big portion of goaltending is the mental part, and it seems like a few bad bounces combined with coach Q being a bit hamhanded conspired somewhat against him and he still hasn’t fully recovered from that. I still don’t think he sucks; he’s a good ‘keeper who’s very erratic. When he’s good, he’s very good, and when he’s bad, he’s kind of shitty. I don’t think he deserves to be buried in the AHL, but you gotta do what you gotta do.
Like I said, I don’t find the award too high, provided Niemi plays like he has. I don’t fault Niemi for asking for more money, either. But if he was asking for $4mil like has been rumoured, he’s very naive or an idiot or a bit of both.
yur last sentence
continues to be irrelevant, but look at the contrast:
- can’t blame Huey for asking for and getting $5.6 million.
- can blame Nemo for asking for $4 million and getting awarded $2.75 after having a better year than Huey ever had.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
I think everyone here agrees
We’d love to have niemi. We like him, we like his goaltending style, we like his personality. He’s a dynamic, big-game player. We’d love to have him in net next season.
Sadly, that isn’t going to happen. We don’t have the luxury of having him in our current situation.
If I could have my way, I’d have niemi as our starter and huet as our backup – huet needs to get his head screwed on straight, keep his nose to the grindstone, and get back on an even mental keel. Unfortunately, we can’t afford that either. It’s just the way it is.
It's not impossible to keep Niemi
life’s full of tough choices, isn’t it?
And I’m not saying keeping him is the right answer. It’s a close call, I’d be inclined to go with Turco plus $1 million plus a couple picks for Nemo if possible.
But there’s an element here that completely dismisses the chance that Niemi might become a very good goalie, or at least isn’t weighing it in the balance.
Plus, the insinuation about his stupdity/greediness/naivete that I think is unfair and misplaced.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
I explicitly said
I don’t fault Niemi for asking for more money, either.
You forget Niemi was streaky during the season. I admit he did quite well during most of the playoffs, but this may have been him becoming the goalie he will be for the rest of his career, or it could be him getting on an extended hot streak, like Huet did. Huet managed to get lucky & sell high, as Niemi is trying to do. The only problem is that Niemi doesn’t have as much experience.
As for Niemi, “having a better year than Huey ever had,” I must disagree. Huet has had a SV% of .929 (winning the Roger Crozier Award), whereas Niemi was .912 this season.
You gotta look at the year in total
including playoffs, although apparently Niemi’s post-season has recently been demoted to mediocre around here.
And as much as I like sv%, it’s never the whole story.
Huey had such a great year he started almost half the games for Montreal the following year.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
and as I'ver said before
this year was always gonna be tight. An extra $1 million helps around the edges a bit, but it’s not an elixir. If we get a pick or two, that helps too, maybe, down the road.
Unless you think Turco is an upgrade over Niemi, in which case, well, we’ll just see how this turns out, won’t we?
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
The extra 1 million
We would all be excited that they got to keep him Given the situation it’s just tough to beleive that our goalie that helped us win the cup is going to be shipped off for an extra million. I’m all for having Turco. I think he still has a little left in the tank and with the D in front and his stick handling skills he can show us something. I also think it would be nice if Beach got the chance (i’m one of the few who thinks he can make it given the money)
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Maybe in the second half of the season
Almost certainly not to start the season. He still only has 6 AHL games on his CV.
agreed there
I’m just hoping he does get a chance if the money is there.
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so
Turco over Niemi is a vehicle for getting Beach into the NHL?
I’m hoping the $1 million produces a little more meaningful benefit than that.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
Turco over niemi
is a vehicle to putting a full roster on the ice every night, or, put another way, not gambling the entire season on a basically-still-unproven (in terms of night-to-night production) goaltender.
2010-11 is a gamble anyway you slice it
A 35-year old goalie isn’t a gamble? Seems to me the Hawks have taken a couple spins on this wheel the past few years.
I hate to pull out the Toews quote on you two days straight, but maybe the guys on the ice pick up on a thing or two:
“We hope that he’s still going to be on our team. We all know how good he was and what he did to help us win the Stanley Cup this year. If we want to do it again, he’s one of those guys you want here.”
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
A 35 yo Goalie
With a proven history of night-to-night reliability is much less of a gamble at 1.5m/yr than a basically unproven goalie for 2.75m/yr. I want niemi, but we can’t have him.
And that toews quote is exactly what a player would say about ANY member of a SC winning team. Its what was said about buff, ladd, eager, etc. “We would love to keep things the same” the subtext being “but we understand the reality of our cap”
did somebody say
Khabibulin? He won a Cup you know.
The Toews quote was yesterday. Feel free to interpret it to your convenience.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
Not sure a 35 yo goalie on the downswing
IS less of a gamble than a 27 yo goalie with tons of potential. Having the 2nd oldest goalie in the league is not how you build a good team going forward….it’s a cross your fingers he has a good year and your D can prevent shots and rebounds gamble. Turco’s going to go downhill a lot faster than Niemi will. In 2 years with Turco you know you’ll have nothing. I’d have gambled on Niemi, especially when we could sign him to a 1 year deal this year to make sure he’s legit. That prevents the long term Huet type fiasco and IF he sucks, you dump him.
I wouldn't say Beach needs to come now
I’d rather have Niemi but I’m also saying it would be nice to see what the kid gots at some point this season. Thats just my own opinion.
With all the new guys going to be on the team, I’m curious to see how they all perform. So many questions that it makes for more drinking and nerves.
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Today...
What time will they announce what they are going to do with Niemi and how long do they have to work out a trade?
Could teams stiff the Hawks and not deal with us therefore sticking us with the contract?
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The Decision
has to be made whenever the 48 hr mark strikes true. Since we can be over the cap in the summer, the trade doesn’t necessarily need to happen until the day you can be over the cap ends.
I doubt they'd do that
If the whole League was conspired against us like that, they wouldn’t have traded for Byfuglien or Ladd or Versteeg. The talent on offer will outweigh their desire to see us collapse under our own weight.
They might not make an offer now though
Forcing the Hawks to let him go for nothing or keep him and risk having to make another move…
it’s not that big of a risk. they can keep him and if nobody will trade for him they can waive him and reassign him to rockford, which is the same thing they’ll do with huet. the difference is that somebody would claim him off of that waiver. so they would lose him for nothing, but they’d have the month to work out a trade.
excellent
i was thinking Stan had to have a deal lined up this morning.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
If the Hawks sent him to Rockford
if the Hawks wanted to call him up at any point we’d not only have to pay his contract but another team would get him. Sending Niemi to Rockford is flat out the worst decision ever. If you sign him you have to either know for sure that he’s your starting goaltender or know that there are offers out there that you would take.
if he makes it to rockford, and i don’t believe he would.
he has to clear waiver in both directions and all these teams that are interested in him would probably put a claim on him on the way down. they’d get him for is salary and not have to give anything up in return.
if he makes it to rockford, he’ll stay in rockford and then become a ufa at the end of the season because of the exact scenario you described. but i would be shocked if he made it.
All this waiting and waiting and waiting
Fuck can’t take any more waiting. I just want to know. I sound like i’m 5 but FUCK!
Honestly it’s been one hell of an off-season. From winning a cup to the cap. I do have to say I learned a lot more about the CBA and money than I have all the years I’ve watched hockey, but since this is really the first time I really cared it takes a toll. Thank god I’m not bowman; I would of put my self down by now.
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How many of the guys at the convention did they recognize?
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by shinkicker on Aug 2, 2010 9:59 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Chris Kuc
just twitted that the Blackhawks have confirmed that they are walking away from Niemi award and have signed Turco for one year.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
sigh
At this point, i’m refreshing NHL.com until I see it. I got too excited by the turco rumor yesterday.
Everyone seems to be reporting it now
And I’m kind of sad. I want more wiggle room with the roster, but I did like the Finn.
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by shinkicker on Aug 2, 2010 10:05 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
well, yeah.
join the club – we had jackets made.
A friend of mine ordered a Niemi Says No! Shirt
But it never arrived. Guess she won’t be fighting to get a replacement.
And yeah, last night I was all “woo! Saving money!” but now I’m getting all sentimental.
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by shinkicker on Aug 2, 2010 10:20 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
probably the fears expressed above about being stuck with him and having to move another player. i would imagine bowman’s been working the phones for the past 48 hours and found nobody willing to take the deal, and why would they. they can all now negotiate with him as a ufa.
If the sign him UFA doesn't he have to make
At least 2.33 mildo? Or am I miss remembering one of the many CBA classes from the last month?
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by shinkicker on Aug 2, 2010 10:06 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Er, misremembering
fuck Monday
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by shinkicker on Aug 2, 2010 10:07 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He has to make
80% of $2.75m. I don’t have my calculator handy, so if $2.33 is 80%, then yes.
by Katherine215 on Aug 2, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
2.33 is 85%
So really, 2.2. But I was close!
I’ll just copy off your paper when krome hands out the exam
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by shinkicker on Aug 2, 2010 10:45 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
ESPN Saying Hawks let Niemi walk
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
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by tattoodgovtmonkey on Aug 2, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
sad.
Even though i expected him to be gone for weeks… It hurts still.
So, now it's official ...
… the Hawks did NOT have to trade Andrew Ladd after all.
Fuck Zito
should be the new slogan at the top of the site.
by northernsails on Aug 2, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
How long will it take for SJ to sign Niemi as an UFA?
My guess is 24 hours.
I think its all part of a chain reaction of events...
The botched signings of Barker and Versteeg
The signings of Campbell and Huet (the latter more so)
The Hammer offer sheet…
All this led to Niemi’s departure
assuming this is in response to him on the radio. can you summarize for those of us who didn’t/can’t hear?
sorry
I was reading everything else but forgot about this.
He was just basically bashing the Hawk organization about how they didn’t even try to sign and trade Niemi. When Waddle and Silvy suggested that what if they didn’t trade him and was stuck with Niemi, Rogers felt his intelligence was insulted that not one team will want a goalie who barely played half a season for 2.75 mill. He just made it seem like Niemi is a god among men and the Hawks lost the second coming of Patrick Roy.
Why is he so upset?
Niemi is now a UFA and can sign anywhere he wants for whatever he wants (over $2.2m). This is a better scenario for Niemi than getting traded to Edmonton for the year.
Rogers needs to STFU for once in his life.
by Katherine215 on Aug 2, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree
He’s more upset at the Hawks. Yes, the Hawks should of signed and traded Niemi. But what if no one wanted to trade for him. Teams know how much we would be over the cap if we kept Niemi and our current roster. That means trying to get rid of someone else in such a short amount of time.
I’m just glad this is pretty much over.
A sign and trade
must’ve been too risky in Stan’s mind. As someone else said, the return for a goalie in a trade right now is probably not that high anyway.
by Katherine215 on Aug 2, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure Bowman was talking to clubs all along, knowing this was likely.
If one of them had a reasonable deal for the arbitrator’s number, it would have been announced this morning. Apparently there wasn’t anyone who wanted to deal for Niemi at $2.75m versus having the chance to sign him as an UFA.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 2, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
good points
you’re right, it probably wasn’t based on talks the last 2 days but for the last week(s).
by Katherine215 on Aug 2, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess the hawks think that Niemi will get a cap hit more than
2.2 mil on the open market. The Hawks could still match a contract < 2.2 mil but unfortunately we’ve already signed Turco
All Nostalgia aside...
I’m happier with Turco at 1.75 than Niemi at anywhere near 2.75
basically
espn chicago, tribune, and nhl.com all have it.
And here is a take on it.
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Troy Brouwer ($1.025m)
Marian Hossa ($5.275m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m)
Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Kyle Beach ($1.170m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Jack Skille ($0.600m)
/ Jeff Taffe ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brian Campbell ($7.142m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Shawn Lalonde ($0.773m) / Jordan Hendry ($0.625m)
/ John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
Marty Turco ($1.750m) /Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $4,157,753
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,912,423; BONUSES: $610,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $97,577
We get beach (if we want him), we get 22 players.
Someone needs
to tell Jack Skille that the ‘e’ in his name is in the wrong place.
or something like that
the point is, I think it’s finally over now, right?
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
we can hope
Now just have to worry about the people who might jump off a ledge if they haven’t already
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Til the season opens.
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by shinkicker on Aug 2, 2010 10:22 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
There are the preseason exhibition games sooner, though!
by spokeinthebandwagon on Aug 2, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm hoping to snag tickets for one of them
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by shinkicker on Aug 2, 2010 10:27 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
and I am counting down
Because no matter what happened this off-season….We still get to raise a banner on Oct 7
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Oct 9
Unless the Avs want to put up a banner for us,
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by shinkicker on Aug 2, 2010 10:28 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
they can do it too if they want
Shit I forgot it’s oct 9, still so long away
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Whoa. Kuc's twitter has Turco's cap hit at between $1M and $1.5. Didn't see that coming.
I’m pleased that it’s that low, though.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Aug 2, 2010 10:22 AM CDT reply actions
Oooh
My sentimentality is being drowned out by the cheap side again.
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by shinkicker on Aug 2, 2010 10:23 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Want to boggle your mind?
Depending on the exact terms of the Turco deal, it’s possible we could be paying Kyle Beach more than we’re paying our #1 goaltender. That’s… almost scary.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Aug 2, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh god, I'm going to laugh about this all season
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by shinkicker on Aug 2, 2010 10:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
LOL
Rec’d for appealing to the cheap bastard in me.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 2, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
say what?
can they have bonuses …. because he’s 35? i don’t know the CBA all that well.
I'm thinking it's because his contract is for 35+
by northernsails on Aug 2, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know if it matters
but he doesn’t turn 35 until August 13th.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
it does. i think he’s just a few weeks too young for the 35+ deal. going to go find the article now if i can. here it is:
http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=5343102
the important bit:
Like Nabokov, Turco is free of the 35-and-older rule.
Remember on June 30th ...
… when Stan Bowman guaranteed that Hammer and Niemi would both be on the 2010-11 roster?
Those were halcyon days.
The worst part of all this is that now we know, with mathematical certainty, that the Hawks did not have to trade Andrew Ladd.
As it turned out, the Hawks could have kept Ladd, walked away from Niemi, signed Turco, and still been $400,000 ahead in the deal.
That’s what happens when you have a rookie GM — he makes rookie mistakes.
can you explain
where this:
" we know, with mathematical certainty, that the Hawks did not have to trade Andrew Ladd."
comes from?
Where do you see room for another extra 1.7 million in the hawks roster?
With the crystal ball you have
re what happened with Hjarm……………….
"....we have to find a way to win. And good teams do that."
Tomas Kopecky May 29, 2010
No,
that’s what happens what you don’t have a fucking crystal ball.
by Katherine215 on Aug 2, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
You do realize that Ladd is getting paid $3M+ by Atlanta?
I’m not quite sure how you think we could foot that bill and still come out anything like ahead on that deal. The math is just impossible.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Aug 2, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Its
2.35 according to cap geek. But it doesn’t matter. we can’t afford it. Don’tToewsMe appears to be completely talking out his ass on this one.
Ah, I stand corrected. I know the $3M number was the one that got tossed around when the trade was made, based on the return terms from ATL. I thought I remembered someone in the Thrashers org confirming it at some point, but I’m sure that Capgeek is more reliable than my memory.
The point still stands, I think; that math is still impossible.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Aug 2, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Just like the "Turco has 25x more choking experience in the playoffs" quote of his 2 days ago
when in fact, Turco was lights out in his 2 playoffs since the lockout.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 2, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not that concerned about losing Ladd at this point
So again, I’ll go with the 22 man roster, thanks.
Go jump in Toews Lake.
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by shinkicker on Aug 2, 2010 10:32 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
There's no way
that on June 30th Turco would have signed so low of a contract.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
You've flatly stated this a few times now
I’d like you to graph it out for me – because I don’t see it, and hindsight is 20/20. And that comment about a “rookie GM” – tell me, please, what other GM would have gotten better value from the players that have already been traded (out of necessity)?
There really wasn't a win / win situation with the cap issues.
Did’t people laud what the Hawks were able to do with the first set of trades? No one wanted to see any of these guys go, but we all knew it was coming. For me Niemi was the most shocking (the fact that they couldn’t come up with a deal before arbitration). I understand why they are letting him go and really think Turco will do just fine with our defense in front of him.
How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?
You're still not making any sense.
You continually keep railing on Stan, when you fail to recognize that he inherited this mess. It’d be like hiring a new fire marshall during the middle of a city wide fire and blaming him for it. Everyone that had brains knew the capocalypse was coming, and everyone knew it was going to be tough to take. Sure, it had to come at the cost of 3-4 players that were very solid in the playoffs and well liked by the fan base, but that’s the nature of the beast.
Now I suggest you get off your fucking high horse and come walk with the rest of us.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Aug 2, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Or like electing a president during an economic meltdown
and then blaming him for it? No. Nobody would do that.
by stanfordron on Aug 2, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
I was going to make that reference...
but I tend to stray away from political talk on sports blogs.
But yes, exactly.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Aug 2, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
You do realize that we are $4 million over the cap with 3 or 4 roster spots undecided, right? 1 forward, 1 or 2 d men, and one goalie. We dump Huet somewhere and we only gain back just over 2 million on the plus side. Where are you getting this math?
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Not the way I wanted it to turn out,
but it’s the way it is. I trust the Hawks’ brass at least for now.
We all owe Niemi a debt of gratitude. Pretty sure we don’t win the Stanley Cup without him.
Love ya Antti.
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by ballyb on Aug 2, 2010 10:25 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Won't ever forget you Antti and especially the save against the Sharks.
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Just lock up Seabs now!
If Niemi is so great
then why is Huet still on the Blackhawks and Niemi’s not? Huh? Huh?
Yes! Yesss! I have exorcised the Huater demons! This house is clear.
(just having fun with ya ballyb – don’t worry, we’ll find someone to debate over next year)
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 2, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
So cheap contract for Turco...
might that mean they can bring in a vet or two on the cheap to help these young guys? Maybe a Bill Guerin?
Far as I can tell
It means we can have a 23 man roster and still have a pretty good goalie.
Vets.
Our entire core is made up of Stanley Cup winners and some of those guys (ie Toews and Hossa) are some of the hardest working players around. What good would another vet at a higher price do?
+1
We dont need another vet. This team is full of young vets
by northernsails on Aug 2, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
do we *need* them?
no. The Hawks have all the experience (playoff and otherwise) on this team.
You’re trying to argue like an agent here, “give my old veteran a chance to help your team”
by northernsails on Aug 2, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Which is exactly why I think it would be brilliant to call up Beach.
It’s time for him to put his money where his (perceived) mouth is and step in for the departed big boys. He could be very, very successful playing on a checking line with Bolly and Panda’s bitch.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Aug 2, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
It's a great move
and I want to see ANYONE pay Niemi $2.75 million.
-Matt Cooke is a turd burglar. He burgles ALL the turds.-
-At least he's not Cam Janssen. What a bag of dicks that guy is.-
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