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Thanks, Marian: Looking Ahead to the 2011-2012 Cap Situation

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Edit: It was brought to my attention that Huet's cap hit was not included in the $11.389MM number. I thus changed it up significantly to reflect that.

As we are all well aware of by now, Richard Bloch's rejection of Ilya Kovalchuk's eon long deal with the New Jersey Devils has league wide ramifications. The Hawks and their front loaded deal with one Marian Hossa are specifically coming under scrutiny due to the upholding of the NHL's rejection of Kovy's contract, and this got me to thinking...

With the vast majority of Hawks fans firmly entrenched in the still on-going (albeit decelerating) offseason capocalypse, what happens if the NHL chooses to play hardball and negate contracts like Hossa's? The current CBA does, believe it or not, allow the NHL to do such a thing, and with Mr. Bloch all but guaranteeing that some seriously huge decisions will be made eventually in regards to deals that circumvent the cap, I'm beginning to think toward yet another offseason of potential cap craziness next season. Thus, to the drawing board!

Star-divide

Per CapGeek.com, the Hawks are currently slated to have $11,389,497 of cap space going into next off season. This, of course, is including the expiring contracts of Seabrook, Brouwer, Kopecky, Turco, etc, but does not count the $5.625 million cap hit represented by Cristobal Huet. Once Huet is sent off to Rockford or loaned to a club across the pond, that the total amount of cap space drops to a comfortable $17,014,497. Assuming, as many of us have, that Seabs re-ups for a cap hit of approximately $5MM a year ($1.5 more than his current deal), that number drops to a little over $15 million. But what if the league chooses to give the proverbial finger to the Hossa deal and similar contracts like Bloch and the NHL seem to be suggesting they might? Well, the short answer is that shit gets rather fuzzy for Stan Bowman yet again.

For purposes of clarity and pure speculation, we'll say that the Hossa deal gets nixed and Stan works out a new deal with Panda which cuts off the cheap years at the end and makes it decline less sharply. If Panda gets paid $7.9 through 2016 and $4.0 in 2016-2017 like the current deal dictates, but the 2017-2018 season is restructured and gets bumped up to something along the lines of $2.5 million, we're now sitting at a total $53.9 over the next 8 years and a cap hit of $6,737,000 for Hoss. That's a raise in the cap hit of $1.4625 million, and the total cap space number now drops to just about $13.5 million. Of course, there is no guarantee that league would make such a rash and hardline move to cap-circumventing deals, but operating under the idea that the CBA allows such action, we'll take the puck and skate with it. The core would thus stay intact, and Stan would still have a hefty amount to work with. Unfortunately, the sheer number of talented players moving into their prime with expiring contracts and the financial struggles of the ownership could complicate things once again.

As of right now, excluding Seabiscuit, the Hawks have 10 players with expiring NHL contracts heading into next offseason. Each of these is significant in their own way, but Troy Brouwer, Viktor Stalberg, Tomas Kopecky and Jordan Hendry stick out the most. It is highly likely that Stan will let Kopecky walk, especially due to the amount of prospective third and fourth line forwards the Hawks currently have in development. Panda will no longer have his Slovakian bitch, but he'll live.

Brouwer and Stalberg will both become RFAs, but both of their prospective contracts depend greatly on their performance as top 6 forwards this season. The possibility of both Troy and EKTORP (yes, I'm trying to start this one up) approaching the 30 goal mark next season is certainly there, especially because of the talent and experience around them, and if both have that sort of success we can logically expect significant pay raises. Stan has been diligently acquiring sharpshooters as well as big bodies through trades and the draft, and coupled with the amount of talent that Dale Tallon drafted, such as Kyle Beach and Marcus Kruger, losing both Brouwer and Stalberg might not be terrible. But in the case of success, and with the money there, it would be pointless to not resign at least one of the two. So, in this scenario, say Stan resigns both; Brouwer for a cap hit of $3.5 million and Stalberg for a hit of $3.00. That's raises of $2.475 and $2.15, respectively. The cap space number now drops to about $8.8 million with 13 players under contract.

The primary focus now shifts to defense and goaltending. Hendry will be playing a much greater role as the go to guy on the third defensive pairing this season, and if he succeeds he'll probably deserve a slight pay raise. The organization seems to adore the guy, as do the players, so Hendry resigning a longer term deal for a hit around $800k isn't out of the question. Odds are high that Nick Boynton hangs up the skates following this season, so the brass will likely look towards one of the younger dudes in the system to give Hendry a new partner. If Hendry's number bounces up about $200-$300k and of the youngsters who has a deal somewhere near $1.0 million comes in, we're now looking at about $7.5 million in cap space (Note: I'm including John Scott as the 7th defensive man throughout all of this). Goaltending is where everything gets weird. Speculating on how Corey Crawford will perform at backup or whether Marty Turco will enjoy Chicago and have enough success this next season is more pointless than this article, but we can reasonably expect that the organization will not want to spend much more than $3.0 million on both a starting and backup netminder. Operating under that assumption, the cap space amount drops to roughly $4.5 million, and 17 players would be under contract.

So, with 5 more forward spots to fill and a handful of cheaper entry level contracts of talented young players lying around in Rockford and Europe, the situation next offseason seems to be at least slightly better than this year's. As mentioned previously, the scrubbing of the Hossa deal is no guarantee, but this gives a simple idea of how things might play if the unexpected occurs. Things could get much more complicated in the case of bonuses, but with the entry level contracts of Tazer and Kane now gone, the possibility of such an astronomical bonus carry over becomes much less likely. Additionally, Patrick Sharp's deal is set to expire the following season, and the front office will have a huge decision to make when that rolls around. Conserving money for Sharp isn't out of the question, but for now I'm not worrying so much about that. One can only look so far into the future. I would caution against breathing easy, since this is of course the NHL hard cap we're talking about, but you won't have to lose anymore sleep while thinking of the significant championship contributors now suiting up for the fucking Atlanta Thrashers.

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I see why the NHL void Kovalchuk

I also why they would look at Hossa’s. But to overturn it already a year into term would be ridiculous, as well as any other contract that went into effect prior to this past season. The NHL looked at doing that last off season, if they felt it was, THAT was the time to act. Ruling in Expos Facto would be terrible to void it. Now if the NHL only rules it did violate but will not vacate, to keep the precedent to prevent future similar contracts, tht is acceptable, but they need to eat Hossa, Pronger and other who have already played games on their contract.

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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Aug 11, 2010 2:13 PM CDT reply actions  

They actually have the right to void any contract whenever. A poster on Blueshirt Banter tipped us off to this :

"Section 26.10 of the collective bargaining agreement not only states that an investigation will in "no way be limited by the fact that such [Standard Player Contract] was approved and registered by Central Registry," but that "there shall be no limitation of time barring the investigation of a Circumvention by the Commissioner."

So even though it would douchey to do so, they could actually cancel Hossa’s

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by Scratch and Snif on Aug 11, 2010 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah they could do that

but it would cause more open cans of worms than the league is prepared to deal with. the only point they’re trying to make is “Hey we COULD do this player’s union, so ha. Be prepared for the next CBA negotiations. Just sayin’”

Quisp over at Jewels from the crown made some really salient points about it last week (or the week before) as well, essentially the same as what you just said.

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by puppetmasterp on Aug 11, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

True, the NHL is given unlimited time to investigate & can still de-register, but

the good news is it would be a bit more difficult for the NHL to go after Hossa, unless they came up with some serious new information. I don’t think they are going to actively go after Hossa, since they seem to have had the effect with the Kovalchuk case of deterring future front-loaded deals, but if they went after the deal the Hawks and Hossa deals, there are some time limits:

11.6
b) Subsequent Challenge and/or De-Registration of SPCs.

Notwithstanding anything to the contrary in this Section 11.6, an approved and registered SPC may be subject to subsequent challenge and/or de-registration by the League: (i) in the case of a Circumvention relating to either the Club Upper Limit or the Maximum Player Salary, within sixty (60) days from the date upon which the facts of the Circumvention became known or reasonably should have been known to the NHL, or (ii) in the case of a challenge pursuant to (i) or (ii) below, within fourteen (14) days from the date upon which the SPC was approved by the NHL.

by Wolverine16 on Aug 11, 2010 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hadn't read this clause.

This pretty much guarantees that the Hossa/Pronger/Luongo/Savard deals will not be de-registered by Bettman, et al. The league made noise about each deal when they went down, but nothing was done, so any player’s union lawyer or agent worth his salt would point directly to this and say, “you had your chance, dipshits,” and promptly counter. It’ll be interesting to see how all of this plays out especially due to 11.6b says.

by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Aug 11, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just as long as the NHLPA gets it’s act together and makes sure to aviod the Kovy arbitrator., we should be OK. But yeah, I heard about this section on another blog and double checked it in the actual CBA available on NHL.com and it looks like the NHL can investigate for as long as it wants, but unless they suddenly found a recording of Hossa telling the Blackhawks he intended to retire when he’s 40, they would be hard pressed to argue that they’re within 60 days of challenging when they should have reasonably known of the circumvention, no matter how vague that language is.

by Wolverine16 on Aug 12, 2010 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

No matter what way you slice it, the NHL wouldn’t be stupid enough to nix these deals with something like this in writing. The NHLPA would have a bazillion ways to counter and take them to court or arbitration.

Anyway, I guess that renders the article totally meaningless, but at least it still gives an idea of how much space the front office will have to work with.

by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Aug 12, 2010 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Huet

Capgeek still has Huet in that number for next year. We will actually have almost $17 mil available, I believe.

by asglass on Aug 11, 2010 2:39 PM CDT reply actions  

You're actually right...

Totally miscalculated that. Edit is forthcoming.

by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Aug 11, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ahh, I was just running through the numbers and couldn't figure out what was wrong. Thanks

Not sure if EKTORP will ever fly (it doesn’t roll off the tongue), but I was wrong once before in my life (but that was in thinking that I was wrong). Stålberg is pronounce like “stole berry” in Swedish. Stål = steel, berg = mountain. So I’ll throw “Steel Mountain” into the arena as my simple alternative suggestion.

Oh, and I don’t mean to be the grammar police here, but it’s “intents and purposes,” not “intensive purposes.” Unless of course you’re talking about Stålberg putting on Vaseline.

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by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 11, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

It seemed wrong to me at the time too, which is why it sounds so bleak.

The edit is much more optimistic. And thank you for the grammar check. This was written post morning practice nap.

by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Aug 11, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hearing on the Score-670 just in the last 30 minutes

some hot-shot agent or who-ever is reporting the league will not attempt to nulify any of the existing contracts, including Hossa’s…

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Aug 11, 2010 2:49 PM CDT reply actions  

That's good

because they’d be making a legal death wish if they did. Their nixing of the Kovy deal is, I believe, to simply set the ceiling, and, in a way announce to the NHLPA, “Okay fuckers, no more of this nonsense. Here’s your prime example of where we set the bar.”

"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon

by HawkVision on Aug 12, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

McClure and SamFels will skate on Toews' wings...

…before Simon Danis-Pepin plays for the Blackhawks.

by Dr. Ice on Aug 11, 2010 2:52 PM CDT reply actions  

I just like that name.

It reminds me of a character from the Aristocats.

by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Aug 11, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would also expect Sharp to be traded next offseason

It’s highly unlikely that we’d be able to resign him or match an offer sheet, so might as well trade him and get something in return.
Not gonna put too much thought into this though. Still trying to figure out this coming season first.

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by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 11, 2010 3:03 PM CDT reply actions  

this

very likely. i’m preparing myself for it already.

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by puppetmasterp on Aug 11, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know

I can see Sharp signing a 5 year deal somewhere between $4M-$5M. He likes the team, seems to like Chicago. Maybe keeping his family in one place is important to him,

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by Johnny Lava on Aug 11, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Sharp’s contract expires next year he can be traded for a prospect or two at the deadline.

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by Scratch and Snif on Aug 11, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can we please stop all of the Sharp trade speculation already?

Geez that isn’t even until next year (hopefully). I would like to at least get a little bit into the 2010 season before worrrying about next year’s cap issues and contracts.

How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?

by stacie7 on Aug 11, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not worried at all!

I actually kind of agree with you, which is why I said we’re keeping sharp. But, at the same time I realize I’m way more laid back and optimistic than most. I think this is another one of those topics when we’re like “why isn’t the season started yet?”

by blackhawkeyes on Aug 11, 2010 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not worried either

I just can’t believe people are already looking that far down the road. Let’s just take it one year at a time. It’s management’s job to do all of the worrying for us. Let’s just sit back and enjoy the ride.

How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?

by stacie7 on Aug 11, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not worried

I’m just looking ahead to next year’s Cap. There are a lot of positions to be filled. Their hands are going to be tied again.

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Aug 11, 2010 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

bet you did that last season too

how’d you enjoy that? Worrying about resigning The Big 3, then agogonizing over who we were going to lose because of their signing. Sounds like fun.

Were you relieved when Toews lifted the Cup?

Not all those who wander are lost.
my Captain is better than your Captain

by Johnny Lava on Aug 12, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't agonize at all

and was quite happy when the Big 3 were signed. I didn’t give much thought to the impending Cap crisis but I knew it was coming. At the time, I figured that the Hawks would probably lose Barker and Buff and there was an outside chance of losing someone like Versteeg.

Was I relieved when Toews lifted the Cup? I guess, but I would say ecstatic would be more appropriate.

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Aug 12, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

ok

seems odd. why then are you looking ahead to next year’s cap now?

Not all those who wander are lost.
my Captain is better than your Captain

by Johnny Lava on Aug 12, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think I started looking closer when one of my friends

said once we get through this summer all of the Hawks’ cap problems were over. There won’t be a turnover of key players like this season but with Seabrook becoming an RFA and the fact that Huet is the only Goalie that is signed after next season, there will be a lot of work to do.

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Aug 12, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's work to be done every offseason

I don’t think their hands will be tied though.

If we’re lucky Soupy’s contract will be a drag for only 3-4 years (someone might take him for a year and a half at the end of that contract).

Not all those who wander are lost.
my Captain is better than your Captain

by Johnny Lava on Aug 13, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I’m a ranger fan too so I’ve kinda gotten used to looking 2-3 years down the road at the least. (please don’t call me out on being a double fan; I’ve already gotten plenty of lip service for it.)

"Mes que un club"
"You're a pro or you're a noob. That's life"

by Scratch and Snif on Aug 11, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

so the real question is

when the Hawks play their only tri-state area game this year (vs. the Rangers at MSG), who will you be cheering for? though judging by your # of comments here vs. BSB, i think i can guess what the answer is.

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by puppetmasterp on Aug 11, 2010 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

It’s always a tough game to watch. I’ll probably cheer for the Rangers because I’d feel bad about seeing the team be dominated. I just wanna see a good game.

"Mes que un club"
"You're a pro or you're a noob. That's life"

by Scratch and Snif on Aug 12, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would never call you out for being a double fan.

I also like the Pens and Avs but the Hawks are my number one and always will be.

How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?

by stacie7 on Aug 12, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

(I’ve always liked the Devils)

Not all those who wander are lost.
my Captain is better than your Captain

by Johnny Lava on Aug 12, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I adored Eric Lindros and JR as a kid

but I never enjoyed the Flyers as a whole. I suppose if I had to choose a second team I’d say Dallas, but only because I spent childhood years in Minnesota when they were still the N’stars.

by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Aug 12, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of all the teams in the NHL

to me the most hated have always been the Flyers. Yes, even worse than Scum.

39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal. (1971 loss to Habs)

by Badgerdano on Aug 12, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

devils...

Quick question: how are you handling the Kovy thing? You guys happy to get him, or would you rather just see the whole issue be quashed.

"Mes que un club"
"You're a pro or you're a noob. That's life"

by Scratch and Snif on Aug 12, 2010 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not really a

Devils fan. It’s just the other team I liked to watch pre-lockout

He’s a great scorer, of course I’d like to see him stay with NJ. Keeps him out of LA.

Not all those who wander are lost.
my Captain is better than your Captain

by Johnny Lava on Aug 13, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

LA’s a cool team, which is actually why I don’t Kovy there. They should find a younger sniper who’s a bit better on defense. Did Neal resign? If not, they could go for him. Ryan would have been perfect, but no way a div. rival trades him to them.

"Mes que un club"
"You're a pro or you're a noob. That's life"

by Scratch and Snif on Aug 13, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, many people were talking about trading Sharp this summer

I never thought that made any sense. Like it or not (since many seem to prefer him at wing), he was one of the top 20 centers in the league last year in less than full-time duty and therefore irreplaceable for the money. Give him a full season with Hossa on his wing and he’ll likely be in the top 10-15 centers based on FO%, +/- and points.

He’s also under contract for two more years, so no need to trade him before the deadline as Scratch and Snif suggested.

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by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 11, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

a'ight

just cut that shit out.

buzzkill.

June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.

by cliffkoroll on Aug 17, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also, I strongly recommend you guys take a quick visit to Blueshirt Banter even if you don’t like the Rangers; we cover awesome topics. People here seem to know their hockey, so you’d all fit right in.

"Mes que un club"
"You're a pro or you're a noob. That's life"

by Scratch and Snif on Aug 11, 2010 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me too.

Just trying have a little fun with it though, and give a premature idea of what we should be expecting once next spring is upon us.

by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Aug 11, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

a couple thoughts on life under this CBA

all perenially successful teams will spend right up to the Cap (as close as they can navigate a season through) – so all such teams will have annual summer Cap wrestling issues to get a Cap complient team for the following season that retains as much talent as possible and adds as much new talent as can be fit it.

the current thinking on how best to do that seems to be referred to as the “Detroit model” (which the Hawks are now using) and I would have to say that it looks like a very solid concept for maximizing team success over time. it has a downside of lots of lower line player churning and the occaisonal short term tenures of some good and/or popular players – but a hard cap puts that sort of pressure on GMs trying to max out wins from year to year.

Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Aug 14, 2010 10:26 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

There was no way in hell

Hoss’a deal would be negated or altered in the current CBA climate (e.g. through the end of the 11-12 season). He’s already played a year under the deal. While the last 4 years at $1M each looks suspect it’s nothing compared to Kovalchuk’s recently-canceled contract or Pronger’s $525k a year for the last 2 years of his deal (after paying upwards of $7M a year).

The NHL fired a shot across the bow of the teams and the agents. It will be used as ammo during the next CBA negotiation.

Rocky is going to be stuck between a rock and hard-on with this one. Negotiate a lower cap and gut his team or continue to finance the ‘Hawks through Wirtz’ other enterprises such as Judge & Dolph.

As for Hossa’s deal, can we just fucking think about the next season? I mean come on, he’s going to have only the FIFTH highest cap hit on the team come opening night. I for one am happy with Stan’s work thus far considering how much they had to trim. The core guys are only going to get better and let’s face it if any guy here isn’t developing some serious man-love for Q he simply hasn’t been watching the Blackhawks.

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Aug 14, 2010 5:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Hossa - if nec. - might be redone to work

personally, I done think it will have to be revisited.

but even if so, I think something could be done to restructure so as to keep him. And there is no way in hell that the league undoes the past season (like "forfeiting the Cup win), no way in hell.

But if Hossa goes, we have his Cap room to shop someone else. I’d miss him greatly (hell, I bought a Hossa jersey) but we’d move on

Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Aug 14, 2010 6:39 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I'm trying to imagine what Brouwer's gonna do this year

to garner $3.5 million next year. Oughtta be awesome.

June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.

by cliffkoroll on Aug 17, 2010 3:04 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't really see that happening

I figure the $4 mil bonus penalty coming off the books gives the Hawks room to deal with most of the problem of resigning Seabrook and Brouwer and of dealing with goaltending (assuming the current trend does not reverse as to goalie salaries).

We figure to always be tight to the Cap and have some gaming to do each summer – and to be largely filling the lower couple lines and last D pair with near minimum wage help.

Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Aug 18, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

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