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Huet To Play In Switzerland Next Year?

If you haven't noticed - it's a bit of a slow news time around here.  So when you see this random story posted on Twitter - I guess you have to talk about it.  Just as a disclaimer - I don't know anything about 20 Minuten Online... they could be the Swiss version of Eklund for all I know.  Speaking of Eklund - watch this

Back to the story though - I took a year of German in college but was pretty damn horrible at it.  So since we're not PPP - I simply had to use the old stand-by of google translator.  The article is still pretty hard to understand but it seems to say Huet has been loaned to the Swiss team Fribourg-Gotteron for next year.  Fribourg-Gotteron plays in the Nationalliga A... so at least it'll be the top tier of the Swiss league.

The Hawks need to get rid of Huet's contract somehow - playing in Europe is definitely one option and perhaps the most appealing for Huet.

UPDATE - Kuc just weighed in on Twitter now too - he reports that Huet's agent says the deal is not yet done... meaning I guess that there's at least a little bit of truth to this.

ANOTHER UPDATE!Quotes from Huet's agent, Stephen Bartlett. Seems as though there are "a lot of hoops to go through and approvals that have to happen here". So for right now this is anything but final, as the Twitterverse gets its collective panties in a wad with screams of circumvention.

UPDATE (ALBUM VERSION) - James Mirtle realized he had been vanquished by me on Twitter and penned this piece regarding the Huet story with reaction from Bartlett as well as deputy commissioner Bill Daly.

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by McClure on Aug 23, 2010 10:25 AM CDT reply actions  

Love em! All they are missing is the relish!

19-88-81-2-7-10-36-4-51 : The Hawks

by HjammerTime on Aug 23, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

they may not look so bad

after we see what Turco has planned…

by Katherine215 on Aug 23, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

puffy paint and glitter it is

The puck bunnies will looooooove it.

How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?

by stacie7 on Aug 23, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Order confirmed

Turco has placed his order for the Bedazzler. Watch out for shiny sequinned pads next year

Chicago Blackhawks: No Longer Rusted Steel on Slush!

by Roos-34 on Aug 23, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Now hold on there, missy...

Katherine is definitely committed…

Commited

Formerly Byfuglie33

by Joe Banks on Aug 23, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really like

“Sparkle Motion” as a nick for Turco…+1 internets for the DD reference.

by hairhelmet on Aug 25, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

the hope

is to keep this phrase around as long as possible

happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!

by puppetmasterp on Aug 25, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll be using it in the nursing home

Go jump in Toews Lake.
Aubrey: old German for king of the elves. Huff: English for...huff.

by shinkicker on Aug 26, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had figured Europe was the most likely destination for him (given the way the Cap scenario played out)

and the top tier Swiss league the most likely of the European options.

He’s a nice guy, and I’m sorry it working out this way, but …..

Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Aug 23, 2010 10:38 AM CDT reply actions  

he's a really nice guy...

which is why I’m really happy it might end up working out like this. Switzerland or Rockford? Switzerland or Rockford?

by aeroplane on Aug 23, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe it...

So you mean all those morons at Puck Daddy were wrong? Huet WON’T be on the Hawks roster?

Man have I been misinformed.

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by HjammerTime on Aug 23, 2010 10:43 AM CDT reply actions  

misinformed?

Listening to Puck Daddy is more like misguided.

When in Rome we shall do as the Romans, when in Hell we do shots at the bar.

by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Aug 23, 2010 12:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Reading Puck Daddy is like waterboarding your eyes

I think NATO has outlawed reading Puck Daddy not only because of the physical dangers, but also due to the horrible psychological damage it causes

There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.

by whiskeyboy on Aug 23, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

and the self-inflicted damage

Reading it makes me want to slap myself for doing something so stupid

by Katherine215 on Aug 23, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's what I meant

There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.

by whiskeyboy on Aug 23, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

They make my soul bleed.

There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.

by whiskeyboy on Aug 23, 2010 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

your what?

Our Cup.

by 334Rules on Aug 24, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

My soul

the comments on the daily herald site make me bleed from my soul.

There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.

by whiskeyboy on Aug 24, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Soul

SCH definition: (i) That thing you have that Red Wings fans don’t. (ii) The part of you that feels warmer & more content the more drunk you get.

by Germware on Aug 24, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

So

after I ask the girls if they like hockey, should I offer to show them my soul?

Our Cup.

by 334Rules on Aug 24, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tbh, I don't mind PD itself

but reading the comments section can be used as a reason for you to be sectioned under the Mental Health Act.

by Germware on Aug 23, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like PD

and the comments can be wildly entertaining. But like all train wrecks, can be difficult to look away from.

Go jump in Toews Lake.
Aubrey: old German for king of the elves. Huff: English for...huff.

by shinkicker on Aug 23, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gotta love the comments

Between the “hockey experts” and “watch-me-reveal-too-much-about-my-personal-life” puck daddy commenters are the gift that keeps on giving over the summer.

by BlueVoix on Aug 23, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

this is how i feel about the comments on PD

I mean, how much less entertaining would interwebz be if only smart people with common sense wrote things on them?

let’s face it, comments like those on PD help define and enhance our society.

happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!

by puppetmasterp on Aug 23, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

in the same way

that paris hilton is a role model for all young girls of america, right?

by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Aug 23, 2010 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, pretty much.

happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!

by puppetmasterp on Aug 24, 2010 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

second category

very nice call.

June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.

by cliffkoroll on Aug 23, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

but don't dare joke about them

Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 23, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

we have a Mental Health Act?

happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!

by puppetmasterp on Aug 23, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I do

I’m not sure if you do.

by Germware on Aug 23, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

we just act mental.

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Aug 23, 2010 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

we do

it’s the Mental Health Parity Act. It’s insurance related.

by Katherine215 on Aug 24, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

that's different

and how the federal preemption under the act applies varies from state to state i believe, based on the existing state law. But you’re right, it’s more about funding coverage.

happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!

by puppetmasterp on Aug 24, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's more determined

by plan design, isn’t it? if your group health plan offers mental health coverage, it has to be equal to the coverage offered for medical and surgical benefits. there are state requirements for plan design, so I guess you could look at it as the states requiring a minimum.

it’s definitely different than what germware was referring to though; I didn’t mean to imply they were the same idea.

by Katherine215 on Aug 24, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

it sometimes depends

on if pre-existing state provisions were more or less protective. if more protective, an insurance company might try to argue that the federal provisions preempt application of the more expansive state ones. it’s really just a question of scope. at least it was a few years ago when the act was passed, i’ll admit i’m behind in keeping up with how the act has been interpreted more recently.

happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!

by puppetmasterp on Aug 24, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Generally

states can require more than what the feds require, so long as those more comprehensive requirements do not adversely impact interstate commerce.

In those instances, the pre-emption principles apply (likewise, the states cannot act to water down the federal regulations).

Our Cup.

by 334Rules on Aug 24, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

You put the pain I feel into words perfectly.

Hockeybuzz causes similar agony… speaking of self-inflicted pain.

Formerly Byfuglie33

by Joe Banks on Aug 23, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

UPDATED

Link to Chicago Breaking Sports posted.

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by McClure on Aug 23, 2010 11:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Nothing illegal in loaning out to Europe is there?

I thought I read on many sites that this was a valid way to get him off the cap. Are people just pissed because their teams couldn’t get their bad contract players to agree to this?

How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?

by stacie7 on Aug 23, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

nothing illegal in it as far as I know

but yeah, people are pissed they couldn’t get their bad contract players to do this.

(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)

by chiblackhawks on Aug 23, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's not circumvention of the rules...

… it is jumping the gun a little bit though. You have some red tape to go through. First, Huet has to be waived. That is pretty much a formality at this point.

Once he is waived he is free to be loaned to any “affiliated to the NHL team” including teams in Europe.

Yes they haven’t resigned their agreement. They are disagreeing on the costs paid to teams when the NHL steals a player. However, I don’t believe there are any problems with loaning players the other way.

It’s not only NOT circumvention, btw, waiving a player is specifically in the CBA as a legitimate way to adhere to the salary cap…

And yes the Hawks pay his salary like they would if he was in the AHL.

by DaleHalas on Aug 23, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed with all points here

it’s just funny that suddenly people are up in arms about it. This was done to Nylander too, but no one complained. I’m thinking some people just feel slighted because they’ve been waiting to see the Blackhawks implode but surprise surprise, somehow Bowman’s managing anyway.

(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)

by chiblackhawks on Aug 23, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dale…all right, but ( and I could be wrong here too )…I thought the IIHF and the NHL had an agreement on this, and the only league where there is no agreement is the same one that has no agreement through it’s Hockey Federation…the KHL and Russia.

I don’t get the Twitterati though…idiots.

Of course he can be loaned. Its the same as the AHL. Any other team gets a shot at picking him up before.

Its in the CBA, FFS!

by vancitydan on Aug 23, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

IIHF and the NHL had an agreement

Yes, they do but not all of the European countries agreed to it. Some did, some didn’t, some created their own agreement with the NHL.

You have to look at each individual country to determine the current status…

by DaleHalas on Aug 23, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

full disclosure

this is absolutely the case.

I happen to think that the salary cap itself is a bad idea, but I think I hate workarounds like this even more. I don’t get the point of a league that claims to want to implement parity but really has only succeeded in putting hurdles in front of some teams and seeing if they can come up with a way to get out of it.

Ultimately, though — yes, I’m just pissed that the Hawks GM has managed to make the best of a bad situation and salvage a still very good team while the overloads of my team seem unwilling to fire Jeff Finger into the sun.

But I might be blinded by their insisting Vesa “.874” Toskala was a starting goalie as late as January.

Unabashed fan of the surprise 2012 Stanley Cup champs

by pevans on Aug 23, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

not to be a dick,

but isn’t the point of a cap to put hurdles in front of teams that are running away from the pack in order to create parity?

by blackhawkeyes on Aug 24, 2010 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

i thought the point of the cap was to create parity by relying on market forces to ensure that no one team can stockpile all the talent. The “intent” of the cap is to control costs for owners, and a byproduct would be to spread parity (which is theoretically good business for all the owners since they can all sell hope)

In my experience all that’s happening is taht some teams are getting poached of talents for financial reasons (Ottawa, Buffalo, to a certain extent Chicago, Toronto, and a bunch more in recent years) while others manage to get creative to find ways around this (minimizing cap hits by going crazy with term length being the most recent examples)

Maybe it comes down to the skill and ingenuity of individual franchises, but to me it just appears that the league OKs certain workarounds but not others.

Ultimately yes, there are a lot of sour grapes in my viewpoint

Unabashed fan of the surprise 2012 Stanley Cup champs

by pevans on Aug 25, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seems like sour grapes to me, also.

Part of it is that there’s no explicit transfer agreement between the NHL and any league other than its direct feeders, so it’s a gray area that’s being exploited.

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by McClure on Aug 23, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

exploited is a strong word

compared to the proliferation of lifetime contracts, I think that transfer-agreement loophole just isn’t being used enough. :P

(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)

by chiblackhawks on Aug 23, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here you go

Its a case of various Feds agreeing and ratifying. The Euro leagues did, but not Russia.

by vancitydan on Aug 23, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bad Link

Did you put it in the headline?

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Aug 23, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope, that wouldn't do that

I think he put a link thingy but didn’t actually enter a link. Like this.

by Germware on Aug 23, 2010 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope…its on the IIHF main website anyhow…just have to look for it.

by vancitydan on Aug 23, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nothing like the Hawks to push that envelope

Just a little more controversy to fuel the Hossa contract fire. “The Hawks are cheaters”

How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?

by stacie7 on Aug 23, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Caps were allowed to get away with it with Nylander.

But you watch, once the Hawks do it, Bettman & Co. will decide it absolutely must be investigated.

by flahawkfan on Aug 23, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see it being all that different than sending him to Rockford

at least as far as getting him off the Cap hit books.

For him, it is likely a much nicer deal.

Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Aug 23, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

So it's no different than burying him in Rockford

Besides the nicer location and a softer blow to the ego.

…people are idiots.

Go jump in Toews Lake.
Aubrey: old German for king of the elves. Huff: English for...huff.

by shinkicker on Aug 23, 2010 12:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

From what I've read in the CBA...

… it’s actually the exact same procedure to send a one-way contract to the AHL or to Europe; waive first, loan second.

by DaleHalas on Aug 23, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

So it’s no different than burying him in Rockford

Except it’s cleaner and no need for an I-Pass

There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.

by whiskeyboy on Aug 23, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only need an I-Pass if you’re actually playing some in Chicago…

by TKHO on Aug 23, 2010 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

exactly

Rockford + dignity

June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.

by cliffkoroll on Aug 23, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

plus a better wine list and nicer chocolates!

Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Aug 23, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

As somone born and raised in Rockford

Let me say id pay the Hawks 5mil to send me to Switz to play hockey and not send me to Rockford.

by neverhome30728 on Aug 23, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

any time you can go somewhere else, get paid the same, and hear “Boooooooo!” a lot less…what’s not to love?

That’s the key for other teams to get their bad contract players to agree to being shipped to Europe…get your meatball fans to make them afraid to take the ice. Take heed, NHL. Take heed.

"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon

by HawkVision on Aug 23, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well don't they tend to whistle instead of booing in Europe?

I guess that’s much easier to kid yourself into thinking the Swiss ladies are liking your mojo when you let a puck in from a bad angle.

"Kane is skating as if his mullet is on fire." - 6/9/10, 10:06PM CST

by chevrier30 on Aug 23, 2010 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

No one is "getting away with anything!"

This is SOP for the league. If the player has a NTC or NMC this will not happen, but Huet’s contract does not have these provisions, so he would prefer to play in Europe. The players want these options as much as the owners. It’s called flexibility…

Huet also claims he would renegotiate his deal if the CBA allowed it, but all contracts are final and fixed. Most teams do not even contemplate these moves because of the cost. This is NO BARGAIN for the Hawks since they still must pay the large salary. Because of the cost most teams don’t consider this option.

Huet’s NHL rights remain with the Hawks, but he will be a NONROSTER player, like many other players, just a very expensive one. But for the team, NO CAP HIT.

Many other teams have players that may wind up in the minors, for example Wayne Redden of the Rangers. Don’t be surprised if he is in the minors this coming season…he has been an expensive bust.

And did you hear the Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup?

by TrickyDickAllen on Aug 24, 2010 3:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let them bitch and complain. There is clearly nothing illegal or against the rules here.

19-88-81-2-7-10-36-4-51 : The Hawks

by HjammerTime on Aug 23, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Could that Swiss team

also use a $7M/yr defensemen with good puck-handling skills?

by stanfordron on Aug 23, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

yes

but then again, so could most teams in the NHL.

(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)

by chiblackhawks on Aug 23, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Too late for this year,

but I think if we can get rid of him next year we can get that job done for less.

by stanfordron on Aug 23, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Watch more hockey.

There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.

by whiskeyboy on Aug 23, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is funny

mean, but funny.

but mean.

but funny.

June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.

by cliffkoroll on Aug 23, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I appreciate his hockey

but if you think he is worth $7M you have been drinking too much whiskey.

by stanfordron on Aug 23, 2010 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the point he's trying to get across...

…is that Soupy isn’t a $7m player, but his role is important and cheap alternatives aren’t exactly growing on trees.

by TKHO on Aug 23, 2010 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

And thank you TKHO

I don’t know you, but you hit the nail on the head.

There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.

by whiskeyboy on Aug 24, 2010 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

No way

While the Ginger is making more money than he should (I feel he’s worth about $2.75-$3) but he’s still an important part of the team and I don’t think we win without him. Think about how the Hawks looked without him when Ovie sidelined him.

There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.

by whiskeyboy on Aug 23, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Erm

You mean $2.75-3mil cheaper than he currently is, right?

by Germware on Aug 23, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, I mean 3mil flat

The dude doesn’t play great D. Don’t get me wrong, he’s awesome on the breakout, but he doesn’t really hit anymore. His last good hit was on RJ Umberger.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMDKXzfbrYE

While I never tire of that video, it was a long time ago.

There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.

by whiskeyboy on Aug 23, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Salaries of players with a similar GVT rating to Campbell

Following are players within 1 GVT point of Campbell for last year.

Brian Campbell $7,142,875

Dan Boyle $6,666,667

Kimmo Timonen $6,333,333

Brian Rafalski $6,000,000

Sergei Gonchar $5,000,000

Mark Streit $4,100,000

Matt Carle $3,437,500

by DaleHalas on Aug 23, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ooooooo!

Nice stats! So, he’s overpaid, but not ridiculously so. I yield. He’s worth about 5.5 mil. Sorry I hypothetically low balled him.

There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.

by whiskeyboy on Aug 24, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

looks even better

when compared to other D-men signed the same year as Campbell:

Wade Redden ($6.1)
Sheldon Souray ($5.4)

Campbell is a contributing key to the team, unlike the above.

Over-look the length of Campbell’s contract, unless you want to feel bad again.

by HappyPony on Aug 24, 2010 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Are you trying to say

that longer is not always better?

/rimshot

But yes, it’s the length of the contract that has made it so onerous. I also believe that Soupy struggled mightily (between the ears) attempting to live up that contract in it’s first year. Last year he was markedly more relaxed, and it showed. There were few that hated him more in 08-09. I ate a lot of crow last year when he came around.

Our Cup.

by 334Rules on Aug 24, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also, props to him for coming back from injury before being 100% to help the team. They needed him, and Buff at forward.

by HappyPony on Aug 24, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

this confuses me a little

you disagree with stanfordron who thinks Campbell could be replaced for less, but you think he’s worth about $3m.

$3m d-men players:
- Niklas Kronwall
- Jordan Leopold
- Toni Lydman
- Colin White
- Ian White

Are you sure? :|

(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)

by chiblackhawks on Aug 23, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does it make sence that I think all the people on that list, including Hammer

are all overpaid? I know the argument is going to be market value but I still think they’re overpaid. based on the market, fine, I see your point.

There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.

by whiskeyboy on Aug 23, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

hey, i forgot to take off my italics. my bad.

There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.

by whiskeyboy on Aug 23, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just

so long as you don’t break the thread, it doesn’t matter.

by Germware on Aug 23, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh, okay then

It doesn’t make sense to me that you think d-men are overpaid by that much, but it definitely puts your comments in perspective, so. The confusion has lessened.

FWIW, I think the trend is going towards paying more for d-men than goalies, so the increase in salaries makes sense. I don’t know what other method besides market value could be used for evaluating d-men salaries either. Isn’t it the only one that matters?

(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)

by chiblackhawks on Aug 23, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know that market value dictates price

but the owners have really driven that price up in recent years. Brian Leetch.was making as much money as Soupy. and yes I know Leetch’s heyday was 10 years ago and you have to account for inflation, but damn.

There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.

by whiskeyboy on Aug 23, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

the owners are the market

so yes, they would drive the price up, as they are the only buyers.

Go jump in Toews Lake.
Aubrey: old German for king of the elves. Huff: English for...huff.

by shinkicker on Aug 23, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

A good goalie can only do so much to bail out a shitty D. A good D will always make an average goalie look better.

Our Cup.

by 334Rules on Aug 24, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh hey! Look! If the WHOLE DAMN MARKET is overpaid, then of course our d-men are.

Overpaid based on the market? Those words don’t even make sense together. The market is what determines who is ‘overpaid’. Supply and demand, bitches. If there’s enough demand for the skill, then no one is ‘overpaid’ when supplying it.

OTOH, if one ascribes more to typical supply-demand economics and less to bandwagon bridgejumping, maybe it’s not so much that the whole damn market is overpaying as it is that Hawks got ourselves a gen-u-wine elite puckmoving d-man for about the same amount of money that other teams are currently paying for similar gen-u-wine elite puckmoving d-men.

Wait, that makes too much sense. Sorry, move along.

by spokeinthebandwagon on Aug 23, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm saying

Brian Leetch >>> Brian Campbell, and yet same money in less than 10 years. I’m not saying that salaries aren’t going to rise overtime, I’m saying that the NHL is in trouble because the owners are driving the price higher than they should naturally go via talent. The same thing is happening in all sports, (especially baseball) and I think all owners are pricing themselves out of the market in this economy. Salaries are driven up, therefore ticket prices, concessions and everything is driven up and people can’t afford that.

All I’m saying in a nutshell is while Campbell is a great player, and an important part of the team, he is overpaid by at least 2 Mil.

There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.

by whiskeyboy on Aug 24, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cap

but NHL is capped to save owners from one another. One can over-spend so much. Am I missing something?

by HappyPony on Aug 24, 2010 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cap wise a team can only spend so much

but with front end loaded contracts like Hossa ($7.9 million) and Keith ($8 million) along with dumping Huet’s salary, the Hawks’ payroll is a little over $65 million but their current Cap number is $57.9 million.

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Aug 24, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree, cap is restrictive, but still allows some over-spending – but only so much per team. It appears that they are going to better police the long-term dodges.

by HappyPony on Aug 24, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

The NHL will have to do something

I’ve been figuring out some of the payrolls of different teams. The Canucks payroll is $67 million this year and that’s without a contract being dumped.

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Aug 24, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

overpaid by 2m is a more acceptable stance

than overpaid by 4, so.

And I see what you’re saying re: the owners pricing themselves up and actually do agree with you. The cap’s not really done anything to save them from themselves so far, but eh. That’s the inherent faultiness of the CBA, and quite honestly, a different topic of discussion altogether.

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by chiblackhawks on Aug 24, 2010 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

you don't think he's worth

at least $5m? After all the inflation for defensemen this year, and with Hjammer making $3.5m and Soupy having nearly 8 years experience on him?

I agree he has a tough cap hit, but he’s proven to be pretty darn important to the team’s success, hasn’t he?

by Katherine215 on Aug 23, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think $5M

is about right. Maybe a bit more in this year’s market.

by stanfordron on Aug 23, 2010 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Based on what Dale posted above

The mean looks to be about $5,250,000. So yeah, he’s probably overpaid by about $2M, but people just seem to so easily forget how bad we sucked when we signed him and that the year before we couldn’t sign anyone from the free agent market.

That being said, if our younger puck movers seem to be developing decently this year, I would be all for trading Soupy after next season if someone will take him.

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by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 23, 2010 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd figure even $5.5 mil was a reasonable level under the circumstances

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by krome on Aug 24, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

For making a ton of money for average play

not because he’s a fuckup

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by whiskeyboy on Aug 23, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

no, they boo him b/c they feel jilted

completely irrespective of his play. Unless he was an actually fuck up, in which case they’d be congratulating themselves and laughing at us. which they don’t.

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by puppetmasterp on Aug 23, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

so you're saying...

if Detroit actually sucked…

June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.

by cliffkoroll on Aug 23, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's different

nothing they can and will ever do will stop the boos

by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Aug 23, 2010 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

....if by "no reason"

you mean “because they really wanted him and he came here instead”.

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by shinkicker on Aug 23, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes

but so could that Chicago team. I under estimated his value until Ovie took him out. 7 mil value? Prob not, but I’m glad we have him, especially with Hammer on the blue line with him

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by BigCSouthside on Aug 23, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm totally in agreement here.

I too was shocked at what a different team we were without him.

Just watch the last 30 seconds of game 6 OT, and you see what he brings to this club.

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by Joe Banks on Aug 23, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

IMO

Agree completely that we were completely different without him. But I contend that it was because we substituted his minutes to Sopel… who had become the human sloth. The speed delta between those two might be the greatest in the entire league. Soupy is a terrific player, but at $7.1MM he costs us either another talented forward, a better third D pairing and/ or a namesake goalie. Which still kills me.

by NiemiNation on Aug 24, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

"I too was shocked at what a different team we were without him (Soupy)

That isn’t totally fair to be honest. When Campbell went down Seabrook got hurt and KJ died. If KJ hadn’t died I’m thinking people here would have a totally different point of view on Campbell.

Also, three things happened when Campbell came back in the playoffs.

1. Sharp was moved to Center
2 The Hawks brought the forwards back to help in clearing their zone
3 Campbell played about 10 minutes.

It seems Campbell got all the credit for the turnaround when in fact, I thought he had the least impact of the three changes.

To be honest, Sharp at center let the Hawks concentrate on Legwand. I still think this was the most important key to the playoffs.

by DaleHalas on Aug 24, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Johnsson wasn't here long enough

for his absence to be missed. we really only ever had Keith and Campbell for puck moving defensemen; if we’d had Kim all season and lost both 51 and 8 at the same time, then yes, I’d agree it wasn’t just Soupy. But we had Kim for 8 games – we missed the idea of him and his ability to potentially compensate for a hurt Campbell. People here have a totally different point of view of what a puck moving d-man means to the Hawks with the absence of Campbell and Kim being unable to replace him.

Personally, i think Campbell’s return also helped Keith a lot. he was struggling trying to do it all while on the ice and Campbell took back more and more of that load. Campbell’s return also moved Buff off D and paired 2 and 7 back together at about the same time (right? or was that after game 1?).

I’m not disagreeing with your other points, but it’s hard to say the emotional lift of a guy coming back early from a really serious injury didn’t also add a ton of motivation and focus to the team.

by Katherine215 on Aug 24, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

As you point out,

Campbell’s return meant Buff could go back to playing forward. I think that had the biggest impact. Through no fault of his own, Buff was a liability on defense. Once he was moved back to forward he became a big asset on offense.

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by cdz3210 on Aug 24, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

so on loan?

that just means he’s off the books for this year..does his contract get paid for the year in full by the swiss?

I can't wait to dive into a pool and end up in a jacuzzi

by desertindian on Aug 23, 2010 11:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Off the cap, but the Hawks still pay the $5.6 mildo.

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by McClure on Aug 23, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

no kidding...so what do the swiss pay? Anything?

I can't wait to dive into a pool and end up in a jacuzzi

by desertindian on Aug 23, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nothing’s official yet, but likely not much.

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by McClure on Aug 23, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

seems like paying some guy

to take your daughter to prom….you get the night off, but still end up losing money.

I can't wait to dive into a pool and end up in a jacuzzi

by desertindian on Aug 23, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

i've never trusted the swiss...

i refuse to imagine what huet’s going to be injesting this year

I can't wait to dive into a pool and end up in a jacuzzi

by desertindian on Aug 23, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't that known as pimping?

LOL Good one, Mac.

39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal. (1971 loss to Habs)

by Badgerdano on Aug 23, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Make sure Huet knows he's being pimp'd

so he doesn’t eat the backhand by mouthing off

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by whiskeyboy on Aug 23, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

time for the 1000th huet joke.

but i’m pretty sure even if he knew it was coming, he couldn’t stop the backhand.

when did you run into will smith!?

by desertindian on Aug 23, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Proof?

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by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 23, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

On another note..

I saw someone wearing a Huet jersey in my neighborhood yesterday. I do live in Logan Square though – so I don’t know if hipsters have taken to wearing ironic hockey sweaters..

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by Killion on Aug 23, 2010 11:39 AM CDT reply actions  

It requires a certain level of knowledge to know why it's ironic

But I wouldn’t put it past them

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by shinkicker on Aug 23, 2010 12:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Did he have a mustache?

Or more glaringly, a tattoo of a unicorn?

by BlueVoix on Aug 23, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bloge Salming Video

their opposable thumbs are opposing …?

by NesterenkosGhost on Aug 23, 2010 11:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Is this the link?

Bloge Salming

How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?

by stacie7 on Aug 23, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

On a slightly different note ...

… it looks like the Hawks don’t consider Kyle Beach to be a realistic candidate to break camp with the big club.

To wit:

Just this morning, on the official website, the Hawks updated their active roster with, presumably, every player who has even a passing chance at making the club. Note the link:

http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/roster.htm?location=/roster

The active roster contains the likes of Nathan Davis and Ryan Stanton (long shots, AT BEST, to even dress for the Hawks this season … let alone break camp), and yet Beach is still relegated to the now much-smaller list of what the team considers “prospects”:

http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/roster.htm?type=prospect&location=/prospects

This would seem to indicate that, in the minds of the Hawks’ top brass, Beach will be spending the year in Rockford.

by Don'tToewsMe on Aug 23, 2010 12:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Im not sure the Hawks decesion makers ever look at the website roster

Im picturing Bowman looking over the shoulder of a neon-green sunglasses wearing web-developer at the UC. “I don’t want anyone to have unrealistic expectations. No way he makes the club after pummeling that euro-kid at prospects camp”

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by west_fulton on Aug 23, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know they try to keep the site

as updated and accurate as possible, but I agree – I wouldn’t read too much into it. On D, they have Leddy listed but not Lalonde and I think Lalonde has a (SMALL but) much better chance of making the team than Leddy. The new guy Pisani isn’t listed either.

by Katherine215 on Aug 23, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hawk Haters going nuts over this...

Heads are exploding all over the internet. Especially Puck Daddy’s site.

Loving it.

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by HjammerTime on Aug 23, 2010 12:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Filled with different variations of the childish, “Thaaaat’s noooot faaaaair!” I’m sure. I’m also positive they’re following up that whine-fest with sentiments of, “Whatever. There gonna suck alot anyways. Their stupid.” (grammar errors intentional to convey accuracy)

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"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon

by HawkVision on Aug 23, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I rec'd these

for hilarity and sniper like accuracy of puck daddy readers

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by whiskeyboy on Aug 23, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

this

Seems too good to be true.

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by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Aug 23, 2010 12:59 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

you mean

sending Huet to Europe? I thought that was what most (intelligent) people were thinking would happen. No?

by Katherine215 on Aug 23, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not that uncommon..

In fact, it’s been referred to (in places other than ours, nonetheless) as “Nylandering”.

FWIW, Dave Morris at hockeyindependent.com (and occasionally our site), covers Swiss hockey, and has been calling Huet to either Switzerland or Grenoble in the French League since the regular season. He scooped the world on this.

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by Forklift14 on Aug 23, 2010 1:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Everyone He wanted to go there

Huet asked to leave. From what i hear the hawks begged him to stay…. Turco was the back up plan. Im going to miss the FLYING FRENCHMAN! He will be back you just watch he will be back……

by ChicagoWho?12 on Aug 23, 2010 1:33 PM CDT reply actions  

You forgot the sarcasm tag

or to mention that you’re high as a kite today.

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Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Aug 23, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

troooolllllll haha

his name gives it away….and he joined in july…welcome the PD knob polishers

by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Aug 23, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Swiss Club

has announced that they’ve already released their current starting goalie, Sebastien Caron, to play in the KHL. Link here.

Our Cup.

by 334Rules on Aug 23, 2010 2:22 PM CDT reply actions  

I posted an article from from Le Dauphin the day after Huet day with the Cup

In the article it seemed pretty apparent that he knew he’d be playing Europe (but couldn’t announce anything). Good for him.

Question. If we loan him to Europe and he played well there, could we theoretically have him back for the playoffs as backup if things didn’t pan out well with Turco or Crawford (more specifically Crawford)?

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by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 23, 2010 2:29 PM CDT reply actions  

In theory, yes

He’d have to clear re-entry waivers, though, wherein a team could get him for half price, which would be far more palatable to some teams and might lead to him getting claimed.

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by McClure on Aug 23, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

So he would still have to clear waivers during the playoffs?

It would’ve still been a good way to let him loose even if someone picked him up, but unfortunately we still get the cap hit right?

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by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 23, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's no Cap hit

during the Playoffs

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Aug 23, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I meant if he didn't clear waivers

I didn’t know there was waivers during the playoffs.

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by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 23, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

"waivers during the playoffs"
The “Playing Season Waiver Period” shall begin on the twelfth (12th) day prior to the start of the Regular Season and end on the day following the last day of a Club’s
Playing Season.

So the question is, “does the Club’s Playing Season include the playoffs?” Foley has always implied that it doesn’t…

by DaleHalas on Aug 23, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can’t imagine that it does.

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by 334Rules on Aug 23, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

He'd probably have to clear re-entry waivers

Same as if he were playing for Rockford, so if anyone else picked him up we’d be on the hook for half the salary.

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by shinkicker on Aug 23, 2010 2:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

What about the cap hit?

I believe Huet has 2 years left. So, for next year, if someone picked him up on re-entry waivers, do they incur the full cap hit, does that team take on half the hit and we take the other half, or does that team take half the cap hit (we take no hit) b/c they’re only paying half the salary? I’m assuming they pay half but take on the full cap hit. Which isn’t bad proposition for a team looking to skirt the league’s cap floor.

by EamusCatuli23 on Aug 24, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's back on the books for the summer - and this would have to be repeated (or him be bought out - or retire)

the half salary albatross is if we attempt to clear him through waivers coming back up and someone claims him

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by krome on Aug 24, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Re-entry waivers.

If a player is claimed on re-entry waivers, each team pays half the salary and each team takes half the salary cap hit. And that is for the entire remaining contract meaning both years.

Of course this is hypothetical in Huet’s case since you would have to be 5.6M below the salary cap in order to try and bring Huet up during the year.

by DaleHalas on Aug 24, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im not worried about this year

but, in the highly unrealistic scenario we try to call him up for the playoffs this year (bc of no cap hit), or close to the end of the year (where the cap hit would be minimal b/c of proration) and some team claims him, we would be stuck with a 2.6 mil cap hit for next year, right?

by EamusCatuli23 on Aug 25, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

As far as I understand what "Season" means...

There is a re-entry waiver if he is called up during the regular season. So yes, I don’t think there is any chance of that happening.

However, there isn’t a re-entry waiver for the playoffs. So he could be added to the playoff roster.

Next summer he is part of the team again for the summer. This is because all one-way contracts during the summer count against the cap. This is regardless of where they played the year before; NHL, AHL or other “loan.” This means he takes up the 10% overage that is allowed in next years preseason.

Then he needs to get waived again to go back to either the AHL or Europe for next year.

by DaleHalas on Aug 25, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

It looks like your right (see page 223 of the CBA)

the Hawks would be on the hook for half the remaining money under Huet’s SPC and it would count againt the Cap

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Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Aug 25, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

yes, but...

i’m going off of what i remember, but for this loan to work, he still has to clear waivers (same as if he went to the ahl). so i would assume that he would have to clear re-entry waivers to be brought up by the hawks. i could see him being claimed at $2.6m per year and sticking the hawks w/ the rest. especially if the hawks half counts against the cap (i’m not sure if it does or doesn’t).

by modnar on Aug 23, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it does

But I’m not 100% on that

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by shinkicker on Aug 23, 2010 3:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Today is a great day to be a part of the Huet Hater Fan Club

I know everything in sports these days is about class. This guy is classy, that guy is classy; it’s a race to see who’s the classiest. Respect is the other big one. “Gotta respect ’em though.” Usually they’re tied together, you get respect becaues you’re classy and so Huet is classy and this should never happen to a classy guy. For some people being classy is enough, but not me. My favorite non-hawks to watch were always Vebeek, Sissyrelli, Hunter, Hextall and the like. My all time favorite non-Hawks hockey moment is Gino Odjick sucker punching Eric Lindros in the face for no good reason other than for being Eric Lindros at the wrong place and at the wrong time – not something a classy guy would do. Anyway, Huet has a lot of class, sure, but he stunk. He stunk yesterday, he stinks today, and he’ll stink tomorrow. Right as we speak he’s probably flopping around on the ground some where. He lost his job in consecutive years: once to a guy who lost his job to him and once to a zamboni driver. In fact, it’s realy a hallmark to this team’s defense that we won the Stanely Cup in spite of Huet’s best effort to count the tiles on the ceiling of the United Center from his back during NHL games. I did my part to pay his salary the first two years and I’ll even be helping while he’s not even playing for the team. In other words, good riddance to one of the worst Hawks signings of all time!

by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 23, 2010 2:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Bitter - party of one

Geez – let it go. I think Huet realizes he didn’t play to his potential. I guess your title says it all. You are a Huet hater (which is your right). It sounds like soon he won’t be the Hawks problem any more except for the fact they still have to pay him.

How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?

by stacie7 on Aug 23, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was waiting for you to press the sarcasm button

but then I started to really sense the love, respect, and class in your comment.

(I’m gonna step aside now Billy and thoroughly enjoy the show which is scheduled to begin Right. About. Now. This will be better than watching “1 Vs100” ;)

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by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 23, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

before you get pounded

i wanted to register my agreement.

anyone else see the irony in Switzerland as the destination?

/can’t…photo…shop…simple…piece…of…swiss…cheese

June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.

by cliffkoroll on Aug 23, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I love Huet and wish him all the best

and think he was mismanaged in his time here, but…

I LOLed at the Swiss cheese comment.

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by chiblackhawks on Aug 23, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope this makes you as happy

As Huet’s millions and his Swiss chocolates.

Go jump in Toews Lake.
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by shinkicker on Aug 23, 2010 3:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Don't hate Huet

for taking the 5.4 Mildo they threw at him. I’m pretty sure he didn’t suck on purpose.

Now Kane? That’s one lazy motherfucker. Fuck him. Better yet, trade him.

Our Cup.

by 334Rules on Aug 23, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

don’t forget, if we’d traded him, we could’ve kept Niemi & Buff/Versteeg/Ladd!

by Germware on Aug 23, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Huet's ghost

so it is Huet’s fault if we do not repeat. I hate him now.

by HappyPony on Aug 23, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he really sucked

in his 26 wins. Good thing we didn’t need those wins to make it into the playoffs.

by Katherine215 on Aug 23, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

C'mon KtG, get real

Those wins were so easy, the French could’ve won ’em.

Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 23, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you trying to poke the bear?

Did you get nominated for biggest instigator yet? :)

How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?

by stacie7 on Aug 23, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know ...

Niemi won the cup making seven times less than he did, I think he could have pulled off most of those wins. Nabokov won 40+ games last year and marched his team to the conference finals and nobody wanted signed him in the NHL this year. I

Those things are really irrelevent anyway. If buried under your comment is that Huet played well last year … well, then you’re just wrong.

by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 23, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not wrong.

He played very well at times (the NHL did name him first star of the week) and very poorly at other times. Saying it was only one way or the other is turning a blind eye to reality.

by Katherine215 on Aug 23, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Alright, how about we agree on this ...

he played well enough to lose his jobs to a rookie.

by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 23, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha, alright, i'll try again, for fun ...

He played well enough to lose his job to a rookie for the playoffs.

by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 23, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think I'm just going to

leave this conversation alone. No good ever comes from goalie discussions…

by Katherine215 on Aug 23, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

ha, while it certainly may be waste of time ...

I’m highly suspicious that anything BAD ever came from a discussion about whether a goalie played well or not during a hockey year. Whether anything good comes out of it? Well, I suppose that depends on whether or not you enjoy talking about hockey with other people.

by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 23, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure the headaches and animosity towards fellow commentors fall under "bad"

like right now.

Go jump in Toews Lake.
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by shinkicker on Aug 23, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Billy, don't you recall the regular season

in which both Huet and Niemi each played a couple of good games then stunk up the joint? That’s the reason we had a goalie controversy. Niemi didn’t outplay Huet until late in the season and even then it wasn’t certain who would start in the playoffs (based on Q’s management of the netminder all season.)

39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal. (1971 loss to Habs)

by Badgerdano on Aug 23, 2010 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Huet played very well for most of the season...

And if you didn’t choose to notice, I won’t waste my time.

But he sure struggled early, and he sure struggled after the Olympics…

You’ve gotta play the whole year. I’ll give you that.

If Niemi and Huet were at 2 mil or less, they would both still be here.

Anyway, I wish him the best. He’s a good kid.

I’m not a big fan of kicking someone when they’re down, so you go right ahead…

Formerly Byfuglie33

by Joe Banks on Aug 23, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not kicking the guy…and he did help you guys…

But it is hard to feel bad for someone that will make 5.65 mil no matter where he plays…and another year of the same next year.

by vancitydan on Aug 23, 2010 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha!!

You guys are funny.

Especially when talking about the goalie with the 2nd best ( behind Brodeur ) stats in the entire league since 2002!!!

Put it this way…we are not worried. Yeah, you guys won. What do you talk about all the time? The great goaltending?

No, its the defense. That and a deeper forward corps helped you win the Cup.

Congrats. Doesn’t mean you have figured out a goalie is only one part of the TEAM.

But hey…have your fun…it will be less so come playoff time.

by vancitydan on Aug 24, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't you use this line

last September?

But hey…have your fun…it will be less so come playoff time.

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Aug 24, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep…I like watching you guys out up more fun photos…"Oh look…children of the corn…or?

have to go see the next green one!

And we’ll keep saying the same thing until it comes true!

LOL

by vancitydan on Aug 24, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ummmm

Why do you post on here then? The point of these is to piss people like you off. Which it seems to be doing, so I’ll keep doing it.
If the NHL voids Lu’s contract, I have a new sweater he can wear:

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by whiskeyboy on Aug 24, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Piss me off? Hells no. Nothing wrong with it. I like this one the best so far.

Carry on…

by vancitydan on Aug 25, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah…if they void Lui’s contract, they void Hossa’s.

Which they can do retroactively.

They don’t want to do that. Tainting the first Cup in 49 years in an Original Six team would be a disaster on soooo many levels.

Gary just wants his name in the paper.

by vancitydan on Aug 25, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

They won't de-register them

read a piece somewhere where the deputy commish said the investigations would lead to fines and possible forfeiture of draft picks. not exactly sure how they can fine the hawks now after they investigated it last year. it would be like being tried twice in court even though you were found innocent the first time.

by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Aug 25, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bahaha!

And it was all so believable until

I’m world renowned for my rigorous off-season conditioning regiment

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by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 25, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, appears that you’ve used Henrik and Daniel, instead of repeating one of them. A fine craftsman you are…

by HappyPony on Aug 24, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is the stuff

reoccurring nightmares are made of

happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!

by puppetmasterp on Aug 24, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just play Chelsea Dagger as you go to sleep

It scares them off, plus it’ll put a smile on your face.

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by whiskeyboy on Aug 24, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

OMG

You are right about THAT Puppet! Wow, that’s some scary stuff!

39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal. (1971 loss to Habs)

by Badgerdano on Aug 25, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is

more scary than The Shining.

by Friedrich on Aug 24, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love the taste of your bitter tears, Danny Boy

…and please re – watch the last two playoffs against The Amazing Reboundo. I have never seen a team get so inside a goaltender’s head more than the Hawks did against Luongo the last two years. Not to mention the rest of the team’s lunkeaded penalties, their stars disappearing at the most inconvenient times, etc.

by Waylon on Aug 24, 2010 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tears?

Ha…

Its the off season, and we are just having fun.

Say what you will about Lui…we kind expect it from Hawks fans anyhow…so , no big surprise.

Man, differing viewpoints are fun, huh? But just imagine …how tangy those bitter tears will/would be next June “if”…3rd times the charm?

by vancitydan on Aug 24, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

well we all have to get there first

you know that counting, chickens, hatched thing – then we will see if Lu can pull it off for once

How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?

by stacie7 on Aug 24, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

And...the hockey stuff.

The thing is Mr Jennings, that all the things you mentioned are all mistakes.

Those can be corrected.

And the personnel are different too…so, room for optimism for Canuck fans.

You learn from the mistakes more than the victories.

Which should mean we are pretty effing smart by now…

by vancitydan on Aug 24, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

should is a bitch

Go jump in Toews Lake.
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by shinkicker on Aug 24, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

If it's and but's were candied nuts

…we’d all have a hell of a Christmas. That is all.

by Waylon on Aug 25, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jeez

I thought Bears fans drank a lot of kool-aid.

Our Cup.

by 334Rules on Aug 25, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Which should mean we are pretty effing smart by now…

ya’ll still are going to be dressing alex burrows and shane o’brien next year, right? yeah, I guess i am not worried about you being smart by now. and unless lui’s rebound control has smartened up all of the sudden…

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by west_fulton on Aug 25, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh so know your calling us dum??

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by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 25, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

i see what you did there…

HAWKS! ... that is all

by RLWiener on Aug 25, 2010 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

We'll have fun

as in the natural hat trick of Vanc playoff eliminations. Shall we say May 11th once again?

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Aug 26, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, just a few things ...

One, I don’t think posting on a message board is really kicking somebody when they are down. It’s not like I’m sending certified mail saying he’s a piece of garbage. I’m merely posting my opinion, which is that a guy’s good personality doesn’t detract from the fact that he was a horrible signing for this team, mostly likely among the worst of all time.

Two, I certainly don’t wish him any ill will. I just dont’ want him on the Hawk’s any more.

I don’t understand how everybody loves this guy. He cost the Hawk’s 22 million over 4 years. Not only does that affect the cap, but it also affects how much it costs to go to a game. My question to Huet fans is what would it take for you not to like a player on the Hawks? Who do you not like that was on the team last season? Or is it just a blanket I like every Hawk policy? Clearly, an embarrassingly large salary and being benched for back to back years doesn’t do it, so what will? First degree murder? Exposing themselves on the #36 bus? Being governor of Illinois?

by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 23, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'll take a stab at this

and say that the majority of everyone here likes every single player from our cup team, no matter how badly they played. we all knew this was going to happen but, to call Huet one of the worst signings of all time is absurd. he helped us get there, no matter how poorly you think he played.

by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Aug 23, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

name three

worse signings.

June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.

by cliffkoroll on Aug 24, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bobby Orr
Theoren Fleury
Nikolai Khabibulin

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by McClure on Aug 24, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think Khabibulin was as bad of a signing ...

He played all the years of his contract and he even took the job back from Huet. I guess the fact that we had to sign Huet in the first place is an indication as to how bad he was, but he was also on some shitty teams. Bobby Orr was just a publicity stunt, if not a downright conspiracy, and at least some tabloid headlines came out of the Fleury signing. All we got with Huet was him sitting on the bench with his head down.

by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 24, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Khabby was completely disinterested until his contract year, as is his M.O.

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by McClure on Aug 24, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

One thing I always wondered about Khabby

was that he joined the Hawks the same season that goalie equipment was made smaller and if this had a big effect on him

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Aug 24, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even if Khabby was a worse signing than Huet ....

Simply the fact that there is a discussion to be had about parsing the degrees between the two indicate that Huet was not a good signing by any means.

by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 24, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

love the logic

worst signing ever = not a good signing by any means
where discussion exists = valid subject matter

(i’m pretty sure listening to about 10 minutes of discussion in my family at any family party disproves the second one)

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by puppetmasterp on Aug 24, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

You got Niemi

out of the Huet signing, and then a Stanley Cup to boot.

Before you say it, no, I’m not saying Niemi won the cup by himself.

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by Tuke on Aug 24, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

How did the 'Hawks

Get Niemi out of the Huet signing??

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Aug 26, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

The same way we got Hossa

out of the Kopecky signing. Duh.

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by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 26, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

That makes Kop

a much better pick-up than I had thought originally.

by stanfordron on Aug 26, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me neither

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by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 28, 2010 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bobby Orr?

from Wikipedia:

Orr subsequently signed with Chicago, but his injuries rendered him too severely hurt to play effectively, and, after playing in only 26 games over the next three seasons, he retired in 1979. Famously, he never cashed a Chicago paycheck, stating that he was paid to play hockey and would not accept a salary if he was not playing.

I’ll give you Fleury.

Khabi had a similar price tage and beat Huey out.

June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.

by cliffkoroll on Aug 24, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just because he didn’t cash a check doesn’t mean it wasn’t an ill-advised signing.

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by McClure on Aug 24, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

fair point

guess I was reacting to the word ‘absurd’. If you’re gonna have a conversation on the subject, seems to me pretty clear Huey’s in the mix.

June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.

by cliffkoroll on Aug 24, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

reply fail

meant for McClure

June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.

by cliffkoroll on Aug 24, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Orr = Class

No question about it. Still not a good signing, as McClure points out.

39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal. (1971 loss to Habs)

by Badgerdano on Aug 25, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

rumor had it the league sort of pushed it

Orr was the poster boy star of the league and the various sinnanagins of his agent (Eagleson) were just coming to light – it appearing that Orr was essentially bankrupt due to Eagleson’s misconduct. It is rumored that the league pushed for one of the solvent teams to sign Orr to that last deal to give him some money to retire on.

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by krome on Aug 26, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kosuke Fukudome
Alfonso Soriano
Carlos Zambrano

(I am SO sorry KtG. I really tried to stop myself. I did. I failed. I feel shame now.)

Our Cup.

by 334Rules on Aug 24, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

10?

A double minor at most.

Our Cup.

by 334Rules on Aug 24, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Colin’s damn wheel.

OK, I’ll go peacably.

Our Cup.

by 334Rules on Aug 24, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

And the GM who signed all 3 still has his job.

Truly unbelievable.

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by ballyb on Aug 25, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't they also sign Doug Gilmour back in 1998???

I agree with McClure about those being 3 of the worst signings in Hawks history, but I would also throw in any star that was past his prime when he came here. Martin Lapointe would be up there for me, but I was really never a Martin Lapointe fan during his career. To each is own I guess.

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by RaoulDuke27 on Aug 25, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they had signed

David Gilmour instead, would Khabby have had to ask permission to use the design on his mask?

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by 334Rules on Aug 26, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think

Fluery wins this as the worst, because signing him also meant that they couldn’t re-sign Tony Amonte. I seem to remember the team at the time claiming they signed Fluery because Amonte wanted more money than Fluery, yet Amonte signed elsewhere for $500K less and said the team wouldn’t negotiate with him.

by runningquicklynowhere on Aug 26, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

excellent point.

happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!

by puppetmasterp on Aug 26, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was a trade but

what about Alexander Karpovtsev? This was also before my time, so I’m just throwing it out there…

by Katherine215 on Aug 24, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely one of the worst trades in Hawk's history ...

if you track the draft pick from the Sedin brother to McCabe to Karpotsev, it’s a tragic mistake. Clearly there have been worse players in Hawk history than Huet. I didn’t watch Jeff Shantz play thrid line center for like five years not to believe not (although he did have a wicked goal against the Flames one time like 15 years ago).

by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 24, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still think that

trading away future 2-time Hart winner Dominik Hasek for Stephane Beauregard is right up there

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by furryogre on Aug 24, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm replying to myself on a message board ...

I’ve officially hit rock bottom. Time to find a job.

by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 24, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha! The Jeff Shantz goal

Twomey (hawksfan21) would be very proud of you for posting that.

And being that he and I are the sole bearers of the Jeff Shantz fan club torch, we thank you for your support.

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by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 24, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Making of the SC Bruins

long, long ago, but P. Esposito, Hodge, Stanfield to Bruins from Hawks to Bruins, is really, really, bad.

by HappyPony on Aug 24, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I remember

how upsetting that trade was.

by stanfordron on Aug 24, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've only been a fan of the 'Hawks since the Lockout

and I’ve already heard that rant so many times. I grin every time I do, too.

by Germware on Aug 24, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

That gets better

every time I hear it!

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by Tuke on Aug 24, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Man I love Foley

1st time I’ve heard that and I’m smiling from ear to ear.

I’ll nominate Gilmour and LaPointe as the two of the worst signings.

While I understand the negative sentiment towards Khabby, the guy got us to the Western Conference finals…that meant a lot before we got the nice shiny Cup.

by learn to swim on Aug 24, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're willfully misunderstanding a lot of people for the sake of argument.

I don’t think many people LOVE Huet, but they understand that he had streaks of great play. It’s not like every single game he shit the bed and depended on his D and high scoring games to win.

and you can say that his signing was terrible, that’s your prerogative, but I disagree if only because I’m a big believer in cause and effect. maybe huet being the scapegoat saved other players from being ragged on by the media and breaking down. maybe by dealing with huet’s huge salary we had to pick up turco who will lead us to the cup again. maybe we just end up paying a lot for a mediocre goalie. either way, my point is that the signing isn’t in a vacuum and his being on the team affected the blackhawks play

by blackhawkeyes on Aug 24, 2010 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its actually you that's just wrong

Niemi had the worst performance for the winning goaltender in the SCF in exactly 30 years. (Sorry, I had to use “statistics” to figure that out.) If the Flyers had won, Niemi should have been given strong consideration for the Conn Smythe. The only reason we ended up winning was because he was only slightly less horrible than Philly’s atrocious goaltending. And if you don’t agree with that, you didn’t watch a single game.

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by furryogre on Aug 24, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not exactly sure how ...

Neimi being bad in the playoffs makes Huet good. Wouldn’t that actually make Huet worse because he lost his starting spot to a goaltender that went on to have the worst run of a Stantely Cup winning goaltender in 30 years? I didn’t say anything about Niemi being good, I thought they were both mediocre. However, mediocre at 800k is much more digestible than 7x that amount.

by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 24, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wrong,

You have gotten this one wrong, and now you must go sit in the corner and re-watch all of Huets games.
After you are done, re-watch all of Niemis games.
Watch the D in each of the games. Really watch them.
The Hawks won and/or lost each game based on how good/poorly the D played.
I personally liken it to soccer, the goalie is there to attempt to stop a score, not to save the day.
When you are relying on your goalie to “save the day” your D has pooed the screwch and they get a ruler to the backs of their hands.
If you want the extra credit on your make up test, go back and watch both goalies games, and this time focus on the goalie.
Watch them out of order, and then write down for each game which game was won/lost by the goalie. If you are unsure, call it a “push.”
Worst signing of all time? I choose not to take the time to list for you the signings that were worse than Huets. LARGE list. The names upon it are purposely left blank as an exercise for the class. (hint, can you spell ABC?)
As far as money, how much is the Cup worth? I think the Hawks paid the perfect amount last year, and that includes Huet.
To paraphrase Dennis Miller, Of course that’s just my opinion, you could be wrong.
Last but not least, Mr. McClure…Please don’t hurt me, I was nice!

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by burpchelischili on Aug 23, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

See, this is what I meant, but didn’t have time/energy to write it all.

by spokeinthebandwagon on Aug 23, 2010 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

heh,

after taking a self imposed sabatical from here for awhile, I’m back and ready to kick as… um, I am currently prepared to be nice to other commenters. Soon I’ll be back in CNS form again…

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by burpchelischili on Aug 23, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

BTW,
See, this is what I meant, but didn’t have time/energy to write it all.

^This^ is exactly why I came up with the “a” to begin with. I about laughed my ass of when I used it on another blog. They thought it was the rudest thing ever said in the history of blogs… I invited them to visit here. >:-D

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by burpchelischili on Aug 23, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

One of the reasons I still like hockey ...

Is it’s still mostly a stat free sport. You got your goals, your assists, and your goals and assists. Few goalie stats and you’re done. All the charts and stuff people come up with about where they scored the goal and ice time against blah blah blah. That’s why I don’t feel inclined to come up with some algorithm to know that this guy was awful for two solid years. This guy couldn’t keep his starting job on a team with excellent defense. God forbid he was in Atlanta or Edmonton. If this guy was on any other team he’d be the butt of jokes on this message board, but because he happened to be on a cup winning team when he was horrible has given him the benefit of sentimentality; saving him from going down as a huge Hawk embarrassment.

And as far as worst blackhawks’ signings go, I think losing your starting job two years in a row and then getting paid NOT to play on the team for the remining two has to rank near the top of dung heap. It’s at least in the discussion with Lapointe, Fleury, Gilmour, and Aucoin over the last 20 years.

by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 24, 2010 2:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Winning record,

for the last two years, not quite shitting the bed. I realize that you will never agree, but he was not as bad as you are making him out to be. Just like Niemi was not as good as people were making him out to be. As far as your first statement… Really?
There are metrics for everything! Choosing not to use them…with out stats, all you are using is the eye test. In my experience, the eye test is statistically unstable.

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by burpchelischili on Aug 24, 2010 5:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just a few things ...

Wins don’t mean as much in the NHL anymore. There were only some 6 teams that were under .500 last year. I’m not completey sure, but I think the current system is that you get one win for showing up for the game, three or four wins if you finish it, and 13 to 15 wins if you win, depending on the shootout score and punt, pass, and kick competition.

If he wasn’t as bad as I think, how did he lose his job two consecutive seasons? Has that every happened to a starting goalie in the NHL before? Maybe to Osgood? And everybody resoundly agrees that guy stinks and he’s shouldered his team to like three championships!

by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 24, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

A goalie needs to avoid soft goals, reliably make the 'oughta stops' and a very good one also occasionally make a "wow" save

That’s really all there is to it.

Huet had some trouble with the avoiding soft goals part of it.

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by krome on Aug 24, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think that succinctly says it all ...

The only thing I’d add is that Huet often looked very silly letting in the soft goals. At least Leightenon (i’ve already forgotten how to spell his name) looked like he was going to be in the right place at the right time when Kane knuckled that final goal by him. When somebody said Huet was standing on his head, it was much more likely that he was literally on his head than making save afer save.

by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 24, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

wins don't matter?

Damnit! I knew I was wasting my time.

Right handed people live, on average, nine years longer than left handed people.

by laaarmer on Aug 24, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

What were we counting 16 of in the playoffs?

It seemed kind of important

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by furryogre on Aug 24, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, if we're talking playoffs ...

it’s still a win is a win is a win. But c’mon, these regular season standings are ridiculous. Awful teams have 80+ points, tons of teams eclipse 100.

by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 24, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

The regular season must be getting close.

We’re having the great goalie debate again. (And to top it off, one of the two subjects won’t even play for the Hawks this year!) We are a sad and desperate lot.

Our Cup.

by 334Rules on Aug 24, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stat free sport?

just read this for a while during the season.
Verstig, gmh, et al will prove you wrong

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by laaarmer on Aug 24, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I understand that people have come up with stats ...

but I personally don’t find them all that useful. I’d say hockey fans as a whole aren’t as interested in the stat aspect of the game and certainly don’t follow them as closely as baseball and football. I think the fluidity of the game makes it hard to attach meaningful stats, whereas baseball and football the constant starts and stops makes it easier to classify, quanitfy, and attach a meaning to the number. And although I appreciate people tracking where all the goals were scored on the ice during a particular playoff series, I can probably guess wihout even watching it that most of them will be closer to the net rather than further away.

by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 24, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I see

Because you don’t find stats interesting then hockey fans as a whole aren’t as stats driven as others? Good to know you’re the absolute bellwether.

by rsncrntz on Aug 24, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I really wouldn't interpet my comment ...

to mean that I am imposing my will on the hockey community to eradicate stats from the game. Consider it a general observation that baseball and football, mostly as a result of the huge popularity of the fantasty versions of the sport, are much more stat heavy and the fans are more stat conscious. If you you read a post on the White Sox blog they are basically speaking another language. While the posts here usually mention about the players performance through observation and some basic corsi information thrown in at the end. I’m sure there are stat people in hockey, especially those who play fantasy hockey, but I personally don’t think it’s as much as baseball or football.

That being said, I still think the stats are goofy and unhelpful in most sports, no matter what the level of popularity. Am I really the last old school guy on this site? Who loved Dale Hunter and hates stats that I can’t understand without knowing some correlative?

by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 24, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dale Hunter?

I wasn’t sure before, based on all of your comments, if you were even a Blackhawks fan. But you loved Dale Hunter? That dude’s got a pretty damn small Fan Club.

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by furryogre on Aug 24, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stats in hockey

Well considering I do a lot of fantasy sports I think it’s all about the same thing.
Goals/touchdowns
rushing yards/assists
Yards after catch/points

Defense/save %/GAA

I know this is your opinion and this is mine. I think football may just be more “popular” because it’s the biggest sport in America. Baseball is also popular, but given the nature it’s just seems like it’s based on popularity. I’m not nearly as detailed in stats as Vertig or GMH but I can see your point.

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by Jrs23 on Aug 24, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Vertig?

Someone needs to shop Steeger’s head onto this:

by Germware on Aug 24, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree with you ...

that the popularity of the other sports is why their stats are more ubiquitous in our society than hockey, but Basketball is more popular and I don’t think it gets the high emphasis on stats as hockey does. It’s pretty much still points and rebounds per game, nothing like WHIP, VORP, SLURP, GULP, SNAP, and POP (alright, i made up those last three). I think the reason is it, like hockey, is more fluid so it’s harder to track. There aren’t as many benchmarks like yards or bases to track things with. Nobody’s going to track how many completed outlet passes Campbell had last year versus his incompleted ones, and so on.

In other words, I think it’s the nature of the game itself that keeps the emphasis on stats lower rather than the lack of popularity (although I think that does have something to do with why we don’t hear about it anyway).

by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 24, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

That guy was pure guts ...

Although he did have that one vicious hit on that one guy that took him out of the playoffs. That was pretty ugly. Anybody remember who that was?

by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 24, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

"That one guy"

was Pierre Turgeon. It was the dirtiest shot ever. You must be a pretty big fan of Hunter’s to not remember that.

541 goals. 1467 points. Stanley Cup. Hall of Fame. All hail our man Stan.

by furryogre on Aug 24, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Alright, you busted me ...

I was pretending to be a Dale Hunter fan on a message board to impress everybody. I hope you’re proud of yourself, you embarrassed me in front of all my good friends here, something that I’m fully capable of doing myself without your help.

by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 24, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your comments are all borderline troll-ish

If that’s not your intention, just tone down your holier-than-thou attitude.

541 goals. 1467 points. Stanley Cup. Hall of Fame. All hail our man Stan.

by furryogre on Aug 24, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure, I'm a little snarky ...

but so is everybody else too. The snark here is piled so high you’d need wings to fly above it.

by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 24, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know

But there’s a fine line between sarcasm and condescension and we have a tendency to defend our own when someone is getting talked down to. That’s all.

541 goals. 1467 points. Stanley Cup. Hall of Fame. All hail our man Stan.

by furryogre on Aug 24, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't wanna speak for VerStig et al

but my understanding is that he would acknowledge that hockey is less susceptible to being digested and explained by statistics then other sports- certainly baseball- for many of the reasons Billy cites.

There were extensive discussions on the topic during the season.

I get Billy’s point- Huey got beat out by an $800K zamboni driver. Any argument that denigrates Nemo just makes Huey look worse. No stats needed.

June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.

by cliffkoroll on Aug 24, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

This
pooed the screwch

I will use often!

Our Cup.

by 334Rules on Aug 24, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Prepare yourself,

for lots of scrunched foreheads. I use it just to deepen the wrinkles on my bosses face. She hates it when I use screwch, and ain’t. lol

/Note unceasing sarcastic laughter in background.
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by burpchelischili on Aug 24, 2010 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like a moth to the flame??

Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 24, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

ha, thank goodness you give me cover ...

by being more controversial than me.

I knew that Bubble Scrubber stuff was out to get me the moment I saw it.

by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 24, 2010 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

hmmm ...

this was supposed to have a cute little picture of Gino Odjick punching Lindros but it didn’t pop up. Oh well, you get the idea.

by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 23, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aw fuck it

If Billy C’s gonna start an uproar, I might as well get his back…

Since I was told not to joke about this because I stepped waaaay over the line when I commented “I have four kids” and because I never did very well with authority…
 

And they called the old Chicago Stadium a shithole…

Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 23, 2010 3:08 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

exquisite

how long you been “sittin’ on” this?

June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.

by cliffkoroll on Aug 23, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I did it over lunch with Pancho Villa (anyone know that joke??)

I guess I really stepped in it with this one, eh?

Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 23, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

mmmmmm

free chili

Lord Stanley's new home is Sweet Home Chicago!

by AngryGiant on Aug 23, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe I missed someone else saying this but....

maybe that should be Pisani’s nickname, “The Pope-AH”

Ditto for Badgerdano

by Hack on Aug 23, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Obviously I agree

Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 23, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, I couldn't tell if you....

where just referencing McClure’s caption, or if you thought that’d be a good nickname.

Obviously my response was rather redundant.

Ditto for Badgerdano

by Hack on Aug 23, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damn copyright issues

I can’t watch anything good…

by Germware on Aug 23, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Crap-ah

How about here?

Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 23, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that works

I lol’d, but I genuinely don’t know why…

by Germware on Aug 23, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

EXACTLY!

It’s pure genius!

Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 23, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Man, I thought that photoshop was money

and one of my best. Apparently this site got PC or doesn’t recognize good shit ;)

Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 23, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey photoshop boy.

It wasn’t the 4 kids comment.

BTW – you said you let things go rather quickly. LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE

Right handed people live, on average, nine years longer than left handed people.

by laaarmer on Aug 24, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're old

and your memory is failing

Or was saying I have “no tact” just a general statement? I could agree with that, in general.

Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 24, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am older than I used to be

My memory is failing a bit, but not on things that matter to me.

I general, if tact were a prerequisite for joining this site, there would be far fewer people here (me included). So, I guess the whole tactless thing was my response to you making fun of someone with a physical issue. It just isn’t that funny, is it bignose?

Right handed people live, on average, nine years longer than left handed people.

by laaarmer on Aug 24, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

TSN is reporting it as a done deal

Link

Says they just have to determine the date he’d be re-assigned.

by Ban on Aug 23, 2010 3:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Also...stupid comments from TSN's "knowledgeable" user base
The Hawks are dismantling their team after a win. There should be a rule against collusion against the fans of the Hawks and of hockey in general.

Why are people so stupid? Why?

by Ban on Aug 23, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ba

Zing.

And “What are people so stupid? Why?” is truly the best question/response to “knowledgeable” comments like that.

"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon

by HawkVision on Aug 23, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing.

If all those assholes disapeared, I’d be happy.

There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.

by whiskeyboy on Aug 23, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fucking hilarious!

/Note unceasing sarcastic laughter in background.
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by burpchelischili on Aug 24, 2010 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

i used to have

black capezios just like those. only black.

happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!

by puppetmasterp on Aug 24, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I now know what Capezios are.

I’m happy that I had to look it up

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Aug 24, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

And that’s “Why are people so stupid…”

I can’t even quote something correctly that’s in print and right in front of my face. Why am I so stupid, actually.

"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon

by HawkVision on Aug 23, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Paul Evans' 168 followers

Must be feeling his wrath today. Woooo.

by BlueVoix on Aug 23, 2010 3:28 PM CDT reply actions  

who the heck is paul evans?

Unabashed fan of the surprise 2012 Stanley Cup champs

by pevans on Aug 23, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Updated again

This time with a link to Mirtle’s reaction to the story.

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Things have changed forever, we're the Ramblin' Boys of Pleasure

by McClure on Aug 23, 2010 4:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Interesting nugget
Huet’s agent, Steve Bartlett, said his client would have been willing to renegotiate his contract to stay in the NHL, something that is not currently an option.

"His goal was to stay in the NHL," Bartlett said. "If there was a way he could have, he would.

Score one for the CBA!

by TKHO on Aug 23, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's be careful now

If the ability to renegotiate is innate to the CBA it may be at the mercy of GMs who would threaten players with trades lest they re-price themselves.

by PDiggy on Aug 23, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can see it being used as a threat

but in this case it’s just reality. There were no alternatives.

I wonder if we’d see players renegotiating their contracts with an NTC for the year following the renegotiation, just so they wouldn’t get doubly fucked.

Go jump in Toews Lake.
Aubrey: old German for king of the elves. Huff: English for...huff.

by shinkicker on Aug 23, 2010 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh.

This coupled with the Niemi article and commentary has me a little miffed, oh yeah except for the whole winning The Cup thing.
Hopefully with Turco and Crawford we can go a season (and off) without having a goalie fall over and throw up all over themselves on (or off) the ice.

I liked Huet as much as I can like a French dude, but he was getting paid too much to play the way he did. I don’t get all the idiocy and whining about sending dude to Europe since it apparently works the exact same way as dropping him to the AHL. Let the dude enjoy better food and hotter women while he gets paid a lot to do not so much. Strike that, it’s in the German portion, there aren’t as many hot chicks there.

by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Aug 23, 2010 4:49 PM CDT reply actions  

I thought

Chicago was damn good for tail & food?

by Germware on Aug 23, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the implication is that Rockford isn't.

How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?

by stacie7 on Aug 23, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, yes, I think you're correct

That’s massively obvious now. I feel shame.

by Germware on Aug 23, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

i agree

I hope he enjoys himself, and we at least get one more thing officially decided this offseason. Hoefully, the bears will play just enough games to emulate the cubs and the NHL can start again.

I can't wait to dive into a pool and end up in a jacuzzi

by desertindian on Aug 23, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah failed on that one...

figure that hoe could probably still block better than williams

when did you run into will smith!?

by desertindian on Aug 23, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Recovered!

There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.

by whiskeyboy on Aug 23, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm gonna rec that hoe

Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 23, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK

THAT is funny.

Our Cup.

by 334Rules on Aug 24, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh god, are the Bears ever gonna suck...

But at least we got our Hoes…

Formerly Byfuglie33

by Joe Banks on Aug 23, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why - did they reinstate the Honey Bears?

How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?

by stacie7 on Aug 23, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I...

uh, I’m just gonna palomino myself right from the start.

/Note unceasing sarcastic laughter in background.
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by burpchelischili on Aug 23, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can I call a Palomino

on someone trying to palomino themselves?

Our Cup.

by 334Rules on Aug 24, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come on now,

yardsale got fucked by a Honey Bear, and you can’t see how bad it can go in a second?
Hell, now I’m starting to wonder if any of my 3 divorce lawyers were ex Honey Bears…Damnit!
Off off topic, but does anyone else sing This song when they spell Divorce?

/Note unceasing sarcastic laughter in background.
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by burpchelischili on Aug 24, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think I'm capable of spelling it

without singing it.
As for lawyers I guess my choice of a male Italian lawyer that was a card carrying member of the Women Haters Club was a good choice.

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Aug 24, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am always amused

when a divorce lawyer gets emotionally involved with a case. It makes for good entertainment.

by stanfordron on Aug 25, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I had an even nastier lawyer

when she tried to move my kids to Texas. She was calling him 2-3 times a week for information and started yelling him. I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer but if there is one thing I do know is that you have to be an idiot to piss off a lawyer.

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Aug 25, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's the over/under on the number of QBs injured?

I think 1.5 Cutler for sure goes down at least once, and i can see the possibility of a backup going down at some point too.

There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.

by whiskeyboy on Aug 24, 2010 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

more like...

what is the over/under Cutler gets beaten to a bloody pulp by half time of the opener because his O line can’t play football?

by Katherine215 on Aug 24, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Speaking of goaltending ...

… Marty Turco has finally decided what number he will wear with the Hawks. He has chosen #30, leading me to wonder whether he’ll be the first Hawks goalie since Eddie Belfour to wear #30.

At any rate, it is now safe to buy those Turco jerseys.

by Don'tToewsMe on Aug 23, 2010 5:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Sure

if you consider the jersey of a 35 year old goaltender on a 1 year deal to be safe bet.

Ditto for Badgerdano

by Hack on Aug 23, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

HOW DARE JONAHTAN CARLSSON SULLY WIZ'S #43

Second City Hockey

Chicago Blackhawks - 2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Things have changed forever, we're the Ramblin' Boys of Pleasure

by McClure on Aug 23, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wiz's number has no more luster.

There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.

by whiskeyboy on Aug 23, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

HA!!

Unexpectedly awesome reference!

There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.

by whiskeyboy on Aug 24, 2010 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good sign that he's got my childhood idol's number.

There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.

by whiskeyboy on Aug 23, 2010 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

I just loved me some Eddie Eagle.

There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.

by whiskeyboy on Aug 24, 2010 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

that sweater is hanging on my wall

next to my Frank Thomas Jersey

Back off man, I'm a scientist
Bug Chucker Fly Fishing

by BigCSouthside on Aug 24, 2010 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

are you going to make it back for Sunday’s #35 retirement ceremony?

Our Cup.

by 334Rules on Aug 24, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I might

it would be cool to see

Back off man, I'm a scientist
Bug Chucker Fly Fishing

by BigCSouthside on Aug 24, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me too

I was a right wing and center all my life, but Eddie was/is my favorite

by 815Sox on Aug 24, 2010 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm

I always liked the number 30. Too bad Theo Fleury’s no longer around so Turco could emulate this.

"Kane is skating as if his mullet is on fire." - 6/9/10, 10:06PM CST

by chevrier30 on Aug 23, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

The #30 has been used since Belfour

The most familiar names are Mark Fitzpatrick, Michael Leighton and Adam Munro

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Aug 23, 2010 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't count them.

Cause well….why would I?

There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.

by whiskeyboy on Aug 24, 2010 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

i might just be losing my mind,

but in the pick above..does the stick look like it’s on an odd angle to actually be in huet’s hands? Was he dropping it?

when did you run into will smith!?

by desertindian on Aug 23, 2010 6:26 PM CDT reply actions  

I thought about posting the exact same thing about an hour ago. It looks like his stick should extend past the post behind the net.

Or maybe we HIGH!

19-88-81-2-7-10-36-4-51 : The Hawks

by HjammerTime on Aug 23, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Huet Huet oh no

He’s gotta go,aye yi yi yi I said Huet Huet oh no now he’s gotta go etc.

by yardsale on Aug 23, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

As much as he was frustrating last year he did have his moments and you are right he did has a decent half of a year. If we didnt over him 4 million dollars he would still be on the team and he would be a fantastic back up goalie. I know that we will be seeing the Frenchman around some where. Good post Spoke…..

by ChicagoWho?12 on Aug 23, 2010 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great comment

He has a good agent..

As opposed to his Niemisis

Right handed people live, on average, nine years longer than left handed people.

by laaarmer on Aug 24, 2010 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you

for articulating my thoughts. He played very well the first half of the season with a number of shutouts IIRC. The Olympic break seemed to take him off of his game. He’s been classy in all ways from what I have heard, including working closely with Antti after Antti took his starting gig.

Perhaps after his current contract is up, he can come back with a much more reasonable one.

by hawkeytalk on Aug 24, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I found this amusing

Part of the google translation of the German article:

Huet is clearly the better goalie than Caron and also has an enormous potential popularity. He has everything, to be Gotteron new hockey god.

Yep. Cristobal Huet, hockey god.

2005 Chicago White Sox. 2006 Chicago Rush. 2008 Philadelphia Phillies. 2009-10 Chicago Blackhawks. CHAMPIONS.

by HappyHuman on Aug 23, 2010 10:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Well if worship will rebuild his confidence – a God complex will help him.

by HappyPony on Aug 24, 2010 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Funny stuff HP

/Note unceasing sarcastic laughter in background.
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by burpchelischili on Aug 24, 2010 5:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

it's a peter principle

success story

June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.

by cliffkoroll on Aug 24, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh Christ on a cracker

bring on the hockey, I am so over this ennui.

by yardsale on Aug 23, 2010 11:36 PM CDT reply actions  

My dad used to say

“Christ on a crutch”

Right handed people live, on average, nine years longer than left handed people.

by laaarmer on Aug 24, 2010 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rubber crutches

II Can Finally Die Happy Now!

by Tuke on Aug 24, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hockey season started last night, in case you forgot

Holland 1
St. Petersburg Lokomotiv 0

They beat the Russians. Nice wrap around goal late in the 3rd by #85 (no it’s not my kid). There was about 300 people in the stands for a peewee game. Weird.

Younger kids team starts Monday. I’ll be at the rink 6 out of 7 days (sometimes 7 days).

Hockey………….It’s Awesome!

Right handed people live, on average, nine years longer than left handed people.

by laaarmer on Aug 24, 2010 6:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Braggart

Go jump in Toews Lake.
Aubrey: old German for king of the elves. Huff: English for...huff.

by shinkicker on Aug 24, 2010 7:56 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes, I couldn't help myself.

But my real point is. Hockey has started.

Right handed people live, on average, nine years longer than left handed people.

by laaarmer on Aug 24, 2010 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I said it somewhere else as well, but I think people shit over Huet too easily. Is he overpaid? Hell yes, but so are most players that get a big deal (yeah yeah cue Luongo bashing). But if Huet was on a team that wasn’t in as much cap trouble as you guys, I doubt there would be any question about shipping him off to Europe/burying him in the minors.

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Aug 24, 2010 10:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Not to mention

Huet’s the kind of goalie who needs to play games in order to stay good. Q mismanaged the fuck out of him this season in that respect, especially around the Olympics. On another team, he’d probably get more games than he did this season & maybe get back into his rhythm.

by Germware on Aug 24, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't blame Q for it at all.

It seems like there is a lot of history being rewritten here. Huet is not a very good goalie. He was not good at positioning himself. He was not good at rebound control. He was not good at puck-handling. That is the trifecta for bad goaltending. While Niemi was not stellar in these areas either, he was better than Huet and was young enough that he had more potential upside. Huet is what he is. He is not going to get better.

by stanfordron on Aug 24, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Talk about revisionist history!

Huet’s former teammates were quoted in Blackhawks Magazine as saying he had good rebound control and they always knew where the puck was going with him. He had better positioning than Niemi, but I can’t comment on a comparison to other goalies. Puck handling was not a strength, but it was not horrible.

Huet plays better when he plays consistently – see November/December. I think Q started mixing things up a bit when Huet had a couple mediocre starts in January and then Niemi got about 4 or 5 starts going into the Olympics and then also coming out. After Huet got sick and had the shit-tastic performance in CBJ, he never really got a start again. Personally, I think Q tried to give it to Niemi earlier in the year, Niemi didn’t really seize the day then (around the Olympics time), and only really started playing consistently well again around April. Q is not the only person at fault (obviously Huet is too), but he was not very patient with either goalie and had a quick hook for them both, especially in the winter. This is all obviously my opinion, though.

by Katherine215 on Aug 24, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I share those opinions

541 goals. 1467 points. Stanley Cup. Hall of Fame. All hail our man Stan.

by furryogre on Aug 24, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where did I rewrite history?

I didn’t say that Huet was great this season (he was good at points, bad at others, as was Niemi). All I said was that Q took a goalie who needs to play on a regular basis & seemed to have trouble a) getting him confident & b) working out the best workload to give him.

For example, Q didn’t play Huet for roughly 3 weeks/a month around the Olympics and – IIRC, which I admit I might not – said Huet was going to start a game and then switched to Niemi last-minute. There was a fanpost about some poster here whose brother is a goalie & he’d had his confidence shattered by poor coaching, too. That poster drew parallels between his brother & Huet.

Also, I’ve always maintained that Huet can be a good goalkeeper, but is very erratic. Sometimes he’s brilliant (Game 5 vs. Detroit last playoffs) and sometimes he isn’t (do I really need any examples in this part). That’s Huet. He isn’t brilliant, which no-one’s claiming he is, and he isn’t horrific, which too many people are accusing him of being.

by Germware on Aug 24, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

too many words

and they’ve all been said before. At the end of the day, it’s still a sow’s ear.

June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.

by cliffkoroll on Aug 24, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

too many words?

should we print up Eager’s Sesame Street version with pictures and cookies?

by Katherine215 on Aug 24, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

Especially the cookies part.

Goalie play ok = gets cookies

D-men play bad, lose cookies = take goalie’s cookies too

by rsncrntz on Aug 24, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

What do you want me to say?

Would, “you’re wrong” be adequately short enough for your approval?

by Germware on Aug 24, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

i dunno

maybe a link to a prior discussion or distilled version.

the whole thing feels like an unabridged rehash from months ago, and I despair that any true progress in these discussions is even possible.

i suppose this is my problem though. as you were.

June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.

by cliffkoroll on Aug 24, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

well

succinctly anyway- perhaps even a greater virtue when uncoupled from veracity.

June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.

by cliffkoroll on Aug 26, 2010 6:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Huet's issue

was that he did not possess the type of amnesia that all goalies (and baseball closers) need. He would let bad goals (and bad games) haunt him. His problems were entirely between his ears. Full stop.

Our Cup.

by 334Rules on Aug 24, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

This circumvents the cap!

"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon

by HawkVision on Aug 24, 2010 1:37 PM CDT reply actions  

I still think of

“let me just sir-sum-vent you” whenever I see “circumvent”.

by Germware on Aug 24, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

The old reacharound?

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Aug 24, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lu losing his "C"?

I got this from ESPN hockey rumors, but it really wouldn’t surprise me one bit if it is true.

After much speculation that Roberto Luongo would lose his captaincy, it looks like it’s finally happening. DobberHockey.com’s Jeff Angus tweets that Henrik Sedin is taking over the captaincy, and that Luongo won’t stand in the way of it

How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?

by stacie7 on Aug 24, 2010 5:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Hrmm

Sedin doesn’t seem the captain-y type… I’d’ve guessed someone like Salo or Kesler. By & large, I think it’s generally a mistake to make your biggest points-getter captain. I could be wrong in this case, but he just doesn’t seem right.

by Germware on Aug 24, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hart trophy winner

H Sedin would have been my first choice. I bet down the line Kesler could get it.

How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?

by stacie7 on Aug 24, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

it seems the logical choice to me

i mean i don’t know if he’s the best captain, but he is their best player right now. what i wonder is if he’d treat his brother the out-of-body-other-half-of-his-brain different from other players in the locker room — and if that might ever cause some tension down the road.

happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!

by puppetmasterp on Aug 24, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he is their best player

but what I’m saying is that best player (or points-getter) != best captain, which you’ve already said in your post. I mean, guys like Kovalchuk & Gaborik, etc. aren’t captain material (not that Atlanta didn’t try, to keep him there). Sedin’s obviously not as selfish as those two, but I don’t see him as far enough in the other direction.

by Germware on Aug 24, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes but the nucks have seemed to take the position in the past (according to no one else but the voice in my head) that best player = good captain. So it seems consistent with that.

happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!

by puppetmasterp on Aug 24, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

that would explain why they made Luongo captain in the first place.

by Germware on Aug 24, 2010 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

No it doesn't

Lu sucks.

There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.

by whiskeyboy on Aug 25, 2010 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Love this guy!

It is what we have done. Usually the more veteran guys that have the mettle and whatnot get the A. Ohlund, Mitchell, Salo, Kesler, …

Lots of teams give the C to their best player. Ovie and Sid come to mind.

Oh, were you guys looking at Torres? I can’t remember if I read that here.

He just signed here for 1 yr/1 mil…

Oh, and my pick if that story happens ( and GMMG shot it down already, said he hasn’t met with Lui about it yet ) would be Kesler. Mitchell would have been my first choice if he hadn’t been concussed last year.

Now, I would just like to see him resign and trade Bieksa.

by vancitydan on Aug 25, 2010 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

We seem to be having two different arguments here

one of them is about the best player being the captain, and one of them is about the biggest point-getter being captain. My original point was that, generally, I’d be wary about making my top scorer the captain.

The League seems to agree with me, with 9 of the 26 teams that had/have captains – counting both SJS and Toronto – naming their top scorer captain. Some of them are captains, like Koivu or Richards, and others (in my opinion) aren’t, like Nash.

by Germware on Aug 25, 2010 5:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Depends I guess. I didn’t know we were arguing…should I say something contradictory now? ;-)

I am one of the few that like Lui as a captain. I have changed and want to see it change just because of the distraction. In that sense, the goalie/captain thing is a failure.

T.O is a good example. Phaneuf is not their top scorer, but he is one of their better ones. Lidstrom is a better example. Dude is the definition of a captain, but won’t ever be their top scorer. Great captain though. Chara is another. No denying his impact on his team, but not the top scorer. Shea Weber another. Brewer in St. Loo is no where near their best player. ( I thought Backes should wear the C there. )

Vinny in Tampa is not the top scorer, but his past accomplishments were important enough to the team to give it to him ( Top paycheque probably another reason.

Is he a similar “meh” captain to you as Nash is?

Then again, Marleau had one of his best seasons the year after losing the C. Maybe that will be Lui this year.

It has to be the guy that the team will follow. Chris Drury in NY is a perfect example of that. There are other more talented guys there, but he commands the respect. can you imagine Gabby as captain?

by vancitydan on Aug 25, 2010 5:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Call them discussions?

Unless you want to get into an argument about that, too? :P

I don’t know enough about Vinny to say for sure, but my gut reaction is that he’s a “no”. Judging from your last paragraph, you and I seem to be on the same page re: leadership; I just don’t know if Sedin is the right guy to rally the troops in tough times, as it were.

The reason I don’t like Lu as captain is that he seems like a whiner & isn’t there mentally. If you watch him whenever he feels slighted (like by Buff or Brouwer), he’ll go to the refs and bitch about it. It seemed to get in his head & truly affect him. If you watched, say, Niemi, he’d just pick himself up and shake it off.

If Lu’s your leader and you see him moaning to the refs for every little infraction, it doesn’t inspire you with confidence, does it? I think he’s a very good goalie when he’s on his game, but he doesn’t seem like a leader.

by Germware on Aug 25, 2010 6:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's not just that aspect that sends the wrong message

His post – series quotes about how he gave up less goals vs. the previous year’s against the Hawks, so he was pleased with himself regardless of the outcome. What kind of message does that send, coming from your captain? Last I heard it was still a team game. The guy has a serious lapse of judgement regarding his overall behavior.

by Waylon on Aug 25, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

wasn't he being

a bit sarcastic/ironic with the less goals than last year comment? I didn’t think he was seriously happy about that, but I fully admit to not paying much attention to the context.

by Katherine215 on Aug 25, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure, either

But when you look at the vid it appeared he was defending his performance. Perhaps I don’t understand the Canadian vernacular yet, eh?

by Waylon on Aug 25, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Katherine is wise. That was sarcasm and an attempt at gallows humor, nothing more.

by vancitydan on Aug 26, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

fight, fight, fight!!!

come on now, i’m bored here. internet fights liven things up.

happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!

by puppetmasterp on Aug 25, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

PMP…sorry, I enjoy coming here and talking puck to troll you guys.

Now, disagreeing with your smelly feather wearing ( you know they are from dead birds right?) asses is entirely another thing.

But I’ll at least try to make a point.

More fun that way, right?

by vancitydan on Aug 26, 2010 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

spoil sport. ;)

happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!

by puppetmasterp on Aug 26, 2010 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

See Germy, we are on the right page with leadership. I like Kesler because he is more vocal, and young captains have shown they can step up so many times…

But I am of a differing opinion on Lui. Every goalie talks to the refs when they are contacted, bowled over, or whatever.

I did like Lui being captain because he is, or should be, our best player.

But having the goalie talk to reporters after…its tough for a goalie to do without sounding like he is bitching. Just look no further than Waylon’s comment ( no offense! ) below yours. That perception is why I think we should make the change.

He already came out in the playoffs, and reiterated it would be from now on, that he would no longer talk to the media on game days.

Seeing how the captain usually does at least some of that, it is perhaps a subtle message as to his wanting to continue with it.

by vancitydan on Aug 26, 2010 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've always thought

that goalies bitch and complain too much to be effective as a Captain. I know that there are some captains that are like that (Crosby) but they aren’t on the ice for a full 60 minutes. I’m sure that after awhile, some of these refs end up tuning out whatever Luongo says. I know I would.

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Aug 26, 2010 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

One viewpoint.

You are right about there being a different bias for goalies as opposed to skaters.

Yeah, goalies complain. I know. I have stood in there. Not anywhere even remotely in the same galaxy as these guys, but a little in minor hockey and in adult rec league floor hockey.

I think I bitched every time I was on the top of my crease and got bowled over so a goal could trickle through.

Pretty tough not to.

It will be interesting to see if he gets more calls after dropping the “C”.

by vancitydan on Aug 26, 2010 2:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

He may or may not

at the same time the responsibility will be lifted from his shoulders and I think his concentration would improve. Another plus for him is that without the duties of being captain, the general fan might stop thinking he’s such a huge crybaby. Personally I think he is a bit of a crybaby but I have a feeling you’ll disagree.

Anyway, I’d put the “C” on Kesler and see how that works out.

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Aug 26, 2010 2:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

See…thats the thing. Most real fans don’t think that. Sure, the braying idiots and somenkids on hockeybuzz chat threads say that…and of course our rivals will couch it in those terms.

But most fans I know don’t think that at all. Its like what I said above about the difficulty of a goalie talking in terms of “we” when a mistake is made.

People that are so inclined will take that to mean he is a total douche crybaby asshole.

But that doesn’t make it so.

Sort of like how Luongo would be looked at on Fox News if Glenn Beck was a Hawks fan.

by vancitydan on Aug 26, 2010 2:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

danny van

See, this is the thing

Most real fans don’t think that.

That takes you from honest debate into trolldom.

Spend more than a few minutes here and you should know that cdz is a “real fan” by any definition. You can disagree with another poster without questioning their cred as a “fan”, because when it comes down to it, what that really means is: “I’m smart, you’re stupid, shut the fuck up.”

And now that we know you were a goalie, and admit to being a whiner, it all makes sense.

Our Cup.

by 334Rules on Aug 26, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

was vancitydan

referring to all fans or just “real” Vancouver fans? I took it as the latter, but you got the former out of it, so now I’m perplexed.

by Katherine215 on Aug 26, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seemed like he was responding to cdz’s "Personally I think he’s a bit of a crybaby . . . ", which is what generated my reply.

I’m willing to see it your way, though. Huh, KtG playing peacemaker!

Our Cup.

by 334Rules on Aug 26, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

:P

I’m not always a troublemaker! it just reminded me a lot of our comments about the meatball chicago fans, so I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.

by Katherine215 on Aug 26, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

No…Katherine’s right.

We have a huge amount of Canuck fans that are stupid in Vancouver. As many again that work at it and know their team.

I was referring to those that don’t…and say things like “trade the Sedins”, or some such nonsense.

by vancitydan on Aug 26, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it'd be interesting

to see one of the Sedins traded. I wonder how they would do without each other in different cities and play against one another. I know Henrik can play without Daniel on the ice. I just wonder how it would effect them being separated.

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Aug 26, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trade one to Scum and the other to St Louis

Then, if they were to collide during a game in Detroit…

TOTAL ANNIHILATION! BWAHAHAHA!

Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 26, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oops. My bad

That apparently is just an actual photo of Detroit that someone (???) added a red sky to. Here more of what I meant…

Oops. Did it again didn’t I??

Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 26, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

that isn't Detroit

piling cars like that would require someone to do some work

Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Aug 26, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Every goalie talks to the refs when....."

Not true. If Niemi got hosed on a particular play, he’d keep his mouth shut and go about his business. In game 1 of the SC Finals Niemi gets interferred with on Timonen’s goal. He kind of gestures that he’s annoyed, but he doesn’t flip out like Lu. In a 6-5 game, Niemi was able to keep his composure, something that Lu doesn’t seem to be capable of, at least against us. Lu’s bitch sessions are completely over the top, and they take him off of his game. It’s a problem for a goalie, and it’s an even bigger problem for a captain.

Ditto for Badgerdano

by Hack on Aug 26, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

His whining was so bad

…that on one play he was tripped up by his own defenseman, yet skated madly to the refs anyway. I don’t like to say it, but what a wussy.

by Waylon on Aug 26, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not buying that.

I think you thoroughly enjoyed saying that.

by stanfordron on Aug 26, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Guilty as charged

But truthfully this time, I don’t want to say that Kesler’s a coward.

by Waylon on Aug 26, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good lord guys. I never expected to convince a bunch of Hawk fans about Lui.

Every goalie talks to the refs. Niemi too. He may play with less apparent emotion, and Lui is more outwardly emotional ( come on guys, he is Italian. He is just talking with his hands!)

But Niemi, and any other goalies that play it cool…like say…Kipper, they wait until a TV time out, or the ref coming up to them ( and they do )…and the have their chance.

Actually, I only played goal very little in real live ice hockey. Was more an irritating 3rd liner that hit pretty good…or a defensive defenseman that had the best hip check on the team.

But I did fill in enough to stop bitching about goalies bitching.

by vancitydan on Aug 26, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

So what you're saying is

That Lu is just more of a whiny bitch about talking to refs. Gotcha.

There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.

by whiskeyboy on Aug 26, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Niemi didn't talk to the refs

He was afraid they would molest him looking for the puck again.

How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?

by stacie7 on Aug 26, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Niemi's a quite kinda guy..

or maybe he was just lost in his thoughts of trying to figure out which team is going to give him that $5m/yr deal. The big deal his agent was promising him with a successful playoff run.

by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 26, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Kesler would be the best choice

but he just impressed the hell out of me in the Olympics/playoffs. Especially compared to the rest of the Nucks

Go jump in Toews Lake.
Aubrey: old German for king of the elves. Huff: English for...huff.

by shinkicker on Aug 24, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

right?

and yet he was the one Canuck that wasn’t a giant dickbag during the playoffs this year. It was astonishing.

Go jump in Toews Lake.
Aubrey: old German for king of the elves. Huff: English for...huff.

by shinkicker on Aug 24, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he was injured…afterwards he was reported to have a shoulder injury.

Makes it a little tough to be a giant dickbag as is his norm.

by vancitydan on Aug 25, 2010 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

HA HA!

I’m sorry….this…..this is the best thing ever.

There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.

by whiskeyboy on Aug 25, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Whoever their captain ends up being, he won’t be able to hold a candle to our Johnny.

19-88-81-2-7-10-36-4-51 : The Hawks

by HjammerTime on Aug 25, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I nominate Shane Obrien

That guy is awesome – only a real leader takes dumb penalties concurrently in critical playoff games. That guy was in the box so often he should have just started each game there, and left it only for intermittent periods.

by Waylon on Aug 25, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm thinking kyle wellwood

sure he may not be signed yet..but why should that stop vancouver?

when did you run into will smith!?

by desertindian on Aug 25, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

seems like Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute will be looking at another rebuilding year.

Our Cup.

by 334Rules on Aug 25, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes. But the Rockford Ice Hogs are going to be the SHIT!

Im just sad its probably too late for Pirri and Leddy to be in NHL 11. I’d probably call Leddy up right away.

19-88-81-2-7-10-36-4-51 : The Hawks

by HjammerTime on Aug 25, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

28 days until Pre-Season...

Who will be this year’s Radek Smolenak?

Or will there be several?

Formerly Byfuglie33

by Joe Banks on Aug 25, 2010 7:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Finally..

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/34843-THNcom-Blog-Blackhawks-still-have-pieces-to-win-in-201011.html

FInally, a hockey writer who is not a complete moron. Good read on the 2010-2011 Blackhawks.

19-88-81-2-7-10-36-4-51 : The Hawks

by HjammerTime on Aug 25, 2010 10:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Wow.

These points really stood out:


Kris Versteeg, Andrew Ladd and Dustin Byfuglien were all dealt to clear space under the salary cap; Versteeg landed in Toronto, while Ladd and Byfuglien are now Thrashers. Between them, the trio scored 54 regular season goals and missed just three games total.

and

[Hossa] missed the first part of 2009-10 while recovering from shoulder surgery and wound up with 24 goals in 57 games. The season before, in Detroit, he had 40.

Looks to me like getting an additional 20 goals from Hossa, plus what we can expect from Skille and Stalberg, should make up for what we lost.

Our Cup.

by 334Rules on Aug 25, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure someone else here has said this

But winning the Stanley Cup enabled the ’hawks to get maximum value for players they would have had to trade anyway. The Capocalypse was going to happen no matter what.

I believe they have a real chance to get back to the finals IF

o they avoid serious/long term injury
o their stars play up to potential
o their young/new players continue to improve throughout the year (requiring patience by the coaches and increased leadership from the stars)

by hawkeytalk on Aug 25, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

im with you...but for some reason..

i’m scared shitless that kane shows up to training camp still plastered with a vancouver lumberchick hangin on each arm

when did you run into will smith!?

by desertindian on Aug 25, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kane wants 100 pts this year

He wants to be in that elite class of point scorers. Can’t wait to watch the kid for another 5 years.

"...can i have a glass of whiskey and a slice of bread?"

by west_fulton on Aug 25, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

there's no way of knowing

until training camp starts, but he’s said in a few different interviews I’ve read that 1) he’s been doing some training, and 2) he’s looking forward to the challenge/pressure and scoring more this season. just my opinion, but while kane will probably never be as responsible or serious as toews, i still don’t think he is one to piss away his hockey career.

by justforkicks on Aug 25, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think he was training all summer - but he added 10 pounds of muscle the summer before

he clearly knows how to train well – it’s just whether he did this year

Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.

by krome on Aug 25, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

no not all summer

but he’s said that he’s spent a few weeks training with an old coach in a nhl interview when he had the cup. If its true I think it bodes well.

by justforkicks on Aug 25, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know we've all joked about

how Kane’s spent his summer, but he can’t really have spent the whole thing drunk, right? I’m sure he worked out/skated/etc at some point. And hey, he was probably sober while reading Twilight!

by Katherine215 on Aug 26, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only excuse Kane can have

for reading Twilight is that Burish recommenced it as a great way to pick up high school girls.

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Aug 26, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

You have to be shit pants drunk

to even consider reading that book

Back off man, I'm a scientist
Bug Chucker Fly Fishing

by BigCSouthside on Aug 26, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

i don't know

i think the only way to get through twilight is to be wasted.

by justforkicks on Aug 26, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

one of my brother's friends got wind of where kane was going to be with the cup

before the jimmy buffet concert. They went there and said he was super trashy and hammered. I’m hoping that was a special occasion because he had the cup.

Having said that, I’m pretty confident Kane is working pretty hard for the rest of the offseason because he really wants the 100 point barrier. I think he knows he’s a (or maybe even the)key to the offense this season after watching the turnover this summer

by blackhawkeyes on Aug 26, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

okay feel better now

love coming to this site since most folks hear more than i do. Glad to know he’s still serious about improving.

when did you run into will smith!?

by desertindian on Aug 25, 2010 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

The kid needs about 10 more pounds

If not more, so I hope he becomes a little like JR in his prime, although that’s probably not realistic. Watching him get plastered to the boards by Pronger every time he attempted to begin the cycle really made me wince. He’s too shifty to get nailed like that often, but it only takes one to take his shoulders out.

by Waylon on Aug 26, 2010 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh and I forgot one

o their goaltending does not massively reduce their chances of winning games.

If the O can score 4, I’m ok with the D/goalie giving up 3. But I’m not OK with a passel of 6-4 losses. The ’hawks did not have many of those last year.

by hawkeytalk on Aug 25, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stanley in Springfield

Blackhawks TV segment complete with Abraham Lincoln’s copy of a book about Chief Black Hawk. And Sufjan Stevens.

Linky

by hawkeytalk on Aug 25, 2010 10:47 AM CDT reply actions  

If you look closely

during the state fair, you can see the Cup travelling away from a stand which says “Philly steak”. Too perfect.

by Germware on Aug 25, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I had to go back and watch it again

but I caught that! Awesome! i also loved seeing the Cup in Lincoln’s house and at the various monuments but how cool would it be to ride the Ski Lift with the Stanley Cup?

by Hjammered on Aug 25, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Love it!

Chief Black Hawk Book + Sufjan Stevens + Stanley Cup = WIN!

by Hjammered on Aug 25, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

THE POPE-AH IS A-COMING

Fresh on the heels of all kinds of reference to The State, I stumble across this today. And everybody got on their best white suit…

Second City Hockey

Chicago Blackhawks - 2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Things have changed forever, we're the Ramblin' Boys of Pleasure

by McClure on Aug 25, 2010 11:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Try the zucchini bread

trust me

Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 25, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

someone may have screwed up their Mt. Puckmore more than Sam did (in the ever so wise eyes of PD commenters, I personally thought it was fine) by including Jaromir Jagr as a Ranger. Yikes.

by Germware on Aug 25, 2010 12:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Prolly

writen by someone to young to know what a Ranger really is.

by stanfordron on Aug 25, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno

they included Frank Boucher, who I hadn’t heard of until I read that. I can kind of see his reasoning that “I chose Jagr when I looked at his importance to the franchise AT HIS TIME, I thought he deserved to be there. He brought the Rangers back to respectability, and made them a relevant franchise again” but I still don’t think Jagr deserves to be on it.

by Germware on Aug 25, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

That Puckmore needed some Step On My Toe!

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by HjammerTime on Aug 25, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Karaoke tonight!

I know you guys don’t like me … and heaven knows I don’t like you even more. But my girlfriend, who is a sweetheart and doesn’t understand the antipathy we have for each other, suggested I should invite everybody out to a fabulous night of karaoke! Tonight! We go to a place in West Dundee every wednesday called the Clearwater Theater right on 72. I’ve fallen in love with the place but unfrotunately it’s kinda dead. The owners are super nice guys, so I’m trying to get some warm bodies in there. So if you’re nearby with nothing to do but read condescending messages from me on here, use your time more efficiently by coming to the bar and taking a swing at me! It starts around 9.

by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 25, 2010 2:26 PM CDT reply actions  

I dont dislike you..well maybe haha

Shit I think everyone disagrees but whatever

As for Karaoke; if I mentioned this to my fianceeshe would be all over me to go. However with the kid I dont think this would be possible on a wednesday night. Though I need a drink…

2009-2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Chicago Blackhawks

by Jrs23 on Aug 25, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha, I actually like everybody on here ...

It’s a good group, that’s why I keep coming around. Bring the fiance and I think there are some Barney songs for the tot to sing.

by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 25, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do they have You’re Going Down by the Sick Puppies on the playlist??
It should be the SCH goalie debate theme song.

Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 25, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

They don't have that ...

but they do have “One Sweet Goal (makes a career)” by Jeff Shantz and his Playboys.

by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 25, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Billy

I don’t agree with a great deal of what you say, but I absolutely LOVE your consistency and persistence in being the resident contrarian.

That said, no can do on the Karaoke. (And it’s your loss. My renditions of “Whole Lotta Love” and “Bobby McGee” are to die from for.)

Our Cup.

by 334Rules on Aug 25, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

ooh, just saw this

if i’d gotten the message a bit earlier, than maybe. but not tonight apparently.

happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!

by puppetmasterp on Aug 25, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

We do most wednesdays ...

you all missed a rendition of Sloop John B that broke down into a fight about who was dennis, carl, and mike love.

by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 26, 2010 3:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I had a huge crush on Mike Love

when I was about 4. Of course, he was about 45 at the time, so it was unrequited.

by Katherine215 on Aug 26, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

So now that you're of the legal age

things with you and Mike are fun, fun fun?

Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 26, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

Her daddy took her T-Bird away.

by stanfordron on Aug 26, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, it would've been nice if I were older

because there were a lot of good vibrations in that T-Bird. Too bad I wasn’t a California girl though…

by Katherine215 on Aug 26, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

God only knows

what those vibrations would be like in a little deuce coupe

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Aug 26, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I heard she ran on down to Kokomo

she wanted to get away from it all.

There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.

by whiskeyboy on Aug 26, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes,

but that was much later in her career.

by stanfordron on Aug 26, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hawks on 11x w/ VS

Thank god I waited to switch to DTV after they came to an agreement.

2009-2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Chicago Blackhawks

by Jrs23 on Aug 25, 2010 3:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh God No!

I fucking hate Vs. The studio team on Vs is just awful.

There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.

by whiskeyboy on Aug 25, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

anyway

I sit in 326, right behind the west net.

Usually, there’s a camera taking up 8 seats in the first two rows.

But, when Vs. does the telecasts, they don’t use the camera. Instead, the spaces are taken up by 8 folding chairs.

The thing is, as far as I can tell, there are no tickets associated with these seats. Last year, they were open for the most part, waiting for someone with the stones to come along and plop him/herself down.

Maybe things will be different this year, but this may be a way to upgrade a SRO ticket, for all you young hocket fans out there. May be worth a shot for the first Vs. game.

Don’t know for sure, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the same thing was happening at the east end.

June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.

by cliffkoroll on Aug 25, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was hoping

WGN would fucking ante up and start televising some games. Since I moved to Houston that’s all I get. Looks like I’ll have to get “Center Ice” this year.

II Can Finally Die Happy Now!

by Tuke on Aug 25, 2010 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I used to always get center ice

I started watching the feeds (feeds…….?) online last year. There is some delay, and the picture is small, but you have direct access to SCH while watching. The picture quality varies, but I have charter and the center ice picture quality is only marginally better. Someone always posts the feed and password before, during, and after the games. It saves you a wad of cash, if you can take a little smaller screen.

WGN does televise home games, but only in the home market. It’s an NHL rule. It says WGN, but it’s not always the same WGN as Chicago. “WGN America”.

The thing I miss the most with WGN is watching “The Cisco Kid” on weekend mornings

Right handed people live, on average, nine years longer than left handed people.

by laaarmer on Aug 26, 2010 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Eyyy Pancho!

Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 26, 2010 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can't wait for Center Ice

Ready to start watching the games on tv. I couldn’t watch the games online. I get too annoyed w/ it pausing every 5 secs to rebuff. I may not have the best computer but it’s fast enough.

2009-2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Chicago Blackhawks

by Jrs23 on Aug 26, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rebuff is in Atlanta now right?

Right handed people live, on average, nine years longer than left handed people.

by laaarmer on Aug 26, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

but he doesn't come out to play until at least April

How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?

by stacie7 on Aug 26, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

So what your saying is we may never see him again?

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Chicago Blackhawks

by Jrs23 on Aug 26, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Think of Buff like Puksatawnie Phil

If he comes out in April and sees his shadow he gets six more weeks of hockey.

How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?

by stacie7 on Aug 26, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Atl would be so luck to get 6 more weeks of hockey

So they better fucking hope he sees his shadow

2009-2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Chicago Blackhawks

by Jrs23 on Aug 26, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

*lucky

2009-2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Chicago Blackhawks

by Jrs23 on Aug 26, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Punxsutawney.

Love,
A Native Pennsylvanian

Whatcha got there? Words?

by pointmesouth on Aug 26, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pucksatawney is the hockey version

Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 26, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I even looked up the spelling online

That’s what it gave me – damnit the grammar police caught me.

How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?

by stacie7 on Aug 26, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

you could always get

one of those cords to link the laptop to the tv, if your tv has the connections to do that. I don’t know the technical terms for what I’m talking about, so hopefully anyone interested can interpret what I said.

by Katherine215 on Aug 26, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Depending on the computer and TV,

You can hook up using a VGA (standard monitor cable), S-Video or HDMI cable. If it’s one of the first two, you should hook up the audio to your television as well.

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Aug 26, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

A question for our alcoholic overloards.

An article on Puck Daddy made me wonder: have you guys ever considered trying to get SCH credentialed as media for the Hawks?

I don’t really have an opinion on whether this would even be a good idea, but I think there’s very little argument that SCH is the premiere Hawks blog on the web - your page views alone would probably support this assertion, let alone comments and community interaction- and the Hawks have in the past shown themselves to be a very new media-friendly team (they really took the NHL’s video, website, and twitter projects and ran with them, to the point that the team has won awards for how they handle their approach to the interwebs). So I wondered if you guys had thought about trying for a credential, or if you decided against it (I could see how that would also be a completely reasonable take on things) and what drove that decision either way.

by spokeinthebandwagon on Aug 26, 2010 12:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Well then thank you!

I can’t imagine any of your posts with out a porn reference, bashing of players, swearing, the list goes on. The truth speaks and it’s awesome that you give us the readers the opinions of your own instead of a PG version.

2009-2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Chicago Blackhawks

by Jrs23 on Aug 26, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

"as you have come to expect a certain type of product on this site"

tactfully phrased, that.

happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!

by puppetmasterp on Aug 26, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, we expect certain things from you

1.) Diverse usage of the word “fuck”
2.) Dick/pussy/fart jokes
3.) Porn references
4.) Rampant and socially irresponsible drunkenness
-all sprinkled liberally over hockey coverage

Back off man, I'm a scientist
Bug Chucker Fly Fishing

by BigCSouthside on Aug 26, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll take that press pass

then you guys won’t have to feel obligated to play nice with anyone.

Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 26, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you could take the credentials without having to suck-up.

But I understand the reluctance about sitting in the press box.

by stanfordron on Aug 26, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to mention all of the old-guard guys from whom we’d likely catch flak. At one point or another, we’ve pretty well lambasted pretty much everyone in print media who has ever written anything about the Hawks.

Second City Hockey

Chicago Blackhawks - 2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Things have changed forever, we're the Ramblin' Boys of Pleasure

by McClure on Aug 26, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

You seem like guys

with pretty tough skin. I bet you could take the flack.

by stanfordron on Aug 26, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you do take the passes

You could end up face to face with asshats like McNeil and Morrissey so you could punch them in the dick for everyone.

There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.

by whiskeyboy on Aug 26, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

The problem with being with these guys in the press box on a regular basis is

that once you interact with them on a personal basis your view of them is changed. Most people are decent enough sorts once you get to know them a bit (and I’m going to assume this is true of most of the regular media guys & gals that cover the Hawks).
Once that relationship is established it’s almost impossible to retain the pure objectivity necessary to do what you do on this blog (even if you still think they don’t know shit about hockey).
If becoming part of the press box establishment would make any of you pause, for even one second, while creating any of the content of this site because you thought it might offend or be hurtful to the subject of your writing because of personal feelings toward them, then taking a pass on those credentials to preserve the essence of what this blog is was the right move in my opinion.

"Life is a long lesson in humility."
- James M. Barrie

by nextgame on Aug 26, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shit

I heard even Burton and VanCityDan are nice enough fellows in person.

Our Cup.

by 334Rules on Aug 27, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well…not sure about Chris!!

( I kid…)

by vancitydan on Aug 27, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I respect that stance. And I love you guys (and girl)!

You’ve built an amazing site, and if I were in your shoes, I like to think that I’d have made the same decision.

I certainly didn’t mean to intimate or imply that SCH needed credentials to be relevant or responsive, because frankly you guys-and-girl have been more incisive than most of the credentialed media over the past season (as far as concerns the Hawks). I was just curious as to whether you’d taken steps in that direction, and whether/how the team had responded. Had they been open to bloggers, since many NHL teams seem not to be? Had they been receptive, but cautious? I’m interested in how the Hawks intend to handle things.

If you would/could detail their response in a future post, I for one would be sincerely interested. This is fantastic stuff, when it comes to the cutting edge of NHL fan relations.

I know our Hawks are very in-tune with new media. Hell, I for one have emailed regularly with one of the teams’ new media pioneers, because I follow his movie podcast. (Imagine my surprise two years ago when my favorite movie critic AKA Adam Kempanaar also became my favorite hockey team interviewer!).

I’m actually very impressed that they offered you credentials for the Finals, and I’d love to hear the story of how you decided not to take them. I know it must have been difficult. So please, tell us about your reasoning on this stuff. I know a lot of other blogs would kill to be offered credentials, but you guys have always been a classy presence on the blog scene, and I really admire your decision to remain independent.

Good for you all, and thank you for replying to my query!

by spokeinthebandwagon on Aug 26, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

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