Extreme Ideas for the NHL, from an Extreme (so I am told) person.
Every year we hear of ideas to help improve the NHL in competition, on ice play, and drawing in more fans. So I have a few ideas of my own. A couple may not be so hard to see, while others, yeah they are out there!
Every NHL game should always award the same amount of points, TWO. Winning in regulation is simple, winner gets 2 points, loser you suck, you get none!
But what about overtime? The losing team, played well enough to be tied after 60 minutes of battle, should that not count for something? I think so, I'm not a fan of going back to ties (though I think that is better then the Skills Competition as we see later on). So what do we do? I have heard some say go to three points per game. Pretty simple, Regulation win gets 3 points, OT win get 2 points, OT loss gets 1 point, Regulation Loss sucks the goose egg.
But the problem I have with the 3-2-1-0 point system is, it will skew the Seasonal Stats to not easily reflect and compare against historical stats. A 100 point season with the 3-2-1-0 is much easier than a 100 point season today. A 100 point Season is a huge bench mark of how good a team is through 82 games. I would like to beable to keep this comparison. Here is the 3-2-1-0 point system compared to the current point system for the 2009-10 NHL Season.
Using the 3-2-1-0 format the red for the NYR indicates they would have been a playoff a team, and Yellow for MTL indicates they would have failed to make the playoffs, while lighter green indicates a different seed for a playoff team.
So what to do?
I propose a 2-1.5-0.5-0 point system. Win in regulation, 2 points, win in OT 1.5 points, lose in OT 0.5 points, you suck you get none. All NHL games will award only 2 points, not some 2 others 3. This will also allow an easier comparison to historical records. Granted even today, with the current point system more points are awarded today, than in the past, but given that a 100 point season is still an accomplishment!
This is how the 2009-10 NHL season would have ended point wise.
- 2. THE FIGURE SKATING COMPETITION, YEAH DITCH IT! Yeah, complaining about this one will never get old, that is unless we ditch seeing on selected nights, who can best impersonate Brian Boitano. So how do you do this? Let the Game end in a tie? Extend or open end the extra frame(s). Nay says I, shift to a new method of determining the winner.
- 3. REALIGNMENT Move away from the Eastern and Western Conference idea, and go to what the MBL and NFL do. Two Leagues/Conferences that are not based on geographic locations that contain divisions that are.
- 4. REAL HOME ICE ADVANTAGE Home Ice Advantage. Other than the crowd, and a few arenas with differing Ice Conditions, and how the boards act in certain place, an NHL rink is an NHL rink regardless if in San Jose, Calgary, Chicago, or Toronto.
One of the biggest complaints of the Shoot out is, it is not a team effort to win the game. In some manner most complaints come to just that, one on one to determine the outcome, where for the previous 65 minutes, it was a true team game. If the game was defensive, the defense has not say in the final outcome. They may have shutdown the scorers, now they have free reign. If it was an offensive game, the Defense men once again are not given the ability to make that key stop, all while a team point is still at stake! 1 Point may be huge! 1 more point gives the Hawks the Number 1 seed in the West. One point sent Philly into the Playoffs and eventual beat down by the Hawks in the Stanley Cup Finals, while the team they beat out in the Shoot out on the last day, the Rangers just sat at home left to wonder "what if" we sucked just a little less for 1-2 shots, we could have made sure Boston would not choke so bad!
My proposal is to introduce(rather keep) the Defensive AND team aspect in the final outcome. No more one on one with the Goalie, but use another exciting play, you tend to see more often in the game any ways. The Odd Man Rush, 2-1, 3-1, or 3-2. Here it is now team play again. The D-man or men need to know where the other is, and how they are helping the Goalie. The Forwards need to position to keep passing and shooting lanes open, and try to draw an opening. The Rules would be simple.
1. The Defensman(men) Start on their Blue Line.
2. The Puck will be placed on the Forwards Blue Line, where on the Blue Line chosen by the Attacking Team.
3. The Forwards must start skating from inside their zone, between the Blue Line and End Line and pick up the puck on the way up ice.
4. The Forwards must always move toward the opposing end line, they can not stop or reverse direction.
5. The play stops when on of the Following occur
I. Goalie Covers Puck
II. Defense gains possesion of the puck
III. The puck crosses the End Line
IV. A Goal is scored
V. An attacking player moves the wrong direction.
VI. A penalty occurs
6. Rebound shots are allowed, but at no time may the attacking player carry the puck or pass it after a rebound, but must immediately shoot. (I.e, If Luongo kicks a fat juicy rebound to the other forward, that forward can immediately shoot the puck in, he may not pass or carry the puck to a better scoring position)
7. If a Penalty occurs the follwing will apply.
I. If committed by the Offensive team, the play is dead
II. If committed by the Defensive team, regardless of the nature of the Penalty, will result in a Penalty Shot, counting as the offensive chance for that team.
III. If the Defense commits a penalty that would normally result in a penalty shot, a goal shall be automatically awarded to the attacking team.
8. The Odd Man Rush format will be best of 3, followed by Sudden Death.
9. No player may skate more than 1 out of every 3 attempts on Offense or Defense, with the exception of the Goalie.
Pulling out some Hockey History, here are the Conferences and Divisions I propose.
Wales Conference
Smythe Division
Boston Bruins
Ottawa Senators
New York Islanders
Philadelphia Flyers
Buffalo Sabres
Adams Division
Washington Capitals
Columbus Blue Jackets
Atlanta Thrashers
Florida Panthers
Nashville Predators
Richard Division
Vancouver Canucks
Edmonton Oilers
Phoenix Coyotes
Anaheim Ducks
Minnesota Wild
Campbell Conference
Gretzky Division
Montreal Canadiens
New York Rangers
New Jersey Devils
Pittsburgh Penguins
Carolina Hurricanes
Norris Division
Chicago Blackhawks
SCUM
St. Louis Blues
Tampa Bay Lightning
Toronto Maple Leafs
Patrick Division
Los Angeles Kings
San Jose Sharks
Colorado Avalanche
Calgary Flames
Dallas Stars
I tried to keep as many rivalries as possible in the same division or conference at least, and also tried to bring back a couple older ones. The same scheduling as today would be used.
The idea for this is, the big market teams, or high profile players (Yes Cindy and the Dirty One as examples) would have more exposure across the Nations. Expose the best teams and players to as many as possible. As is now teams will play most games in a smaller region in the division, but will also regularly play in the other regions. This can only expose more of these players and teams to a larger audience, and help Hockey. Right not the Hawks make it to the Beltway only about 3 times a year, and Cindy makes it to the Midwest 2-3 times. With this these teams and players will play in more areas more often.
My idea is too introduce a little more variance in one rink to another. Currently this is the requirement for an NHL rink as seen in the
Currently the Corners must have a radius of 28 feet.So here is what I propose. Allow for a little variance in rink dimensions to make each rink unique, giving a little more advantage to the home team.
Rink length may be 190-210 feet, The Neutral zone is expanded contracted as needed only.
Rink width may be 80-90 feet, face off dot locations are always referenced to Center Line of the Rink.
Rink Corner radius may be from 25-31 feet.
Keep Board height range of 40-48 inches, eliminate clause of "ideal" height of 42".
Keep Ice temp 15-23 Degrees (F).
By allowing these small variances, it will somewhat change some of the dynamics of play, with the Home team being more familiar with them, they should have a slightly better advantage then currently seen. This is along the same ideas of how each Baseball Stadium has its own differences, that the home team is more familiar with, and can anticipate.
I actually had 6 ideas, the other two being expansion and the playoffs, but this post is already too long, and I know the ideas for those would have been nuts, but who knows perhaps I'll add them.
So what say you on this little time filler? What are your ideas
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well...i do think youre insane, but...
i mean…these all sound half-decent on paper anyway.
1) as a general rule of thumb, people dont like fractions. i actually advocate the 3-2-1-0 system…if it distorts historical numbers, integrate, in retrospect, using points percentage instead of points. done. either way, you cant have a system in which different games award different sums of points to both teams. THAT’S a historical injustice.
2) i think my head just exploded. but seriously…test it in the echl or the ahl for a year…that seriously does have potential. even if i think, as structured as that looked on paper…it might just end up being a confusing 7-second clusterfuck
3) every realignment plan that differs from the current setup, im okay with
4) no
i need more to do. show me your playoff plans.
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by shinkicker on Aug 30, 2010 7:52 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I prefer the 3 point game system
greater variance in the rink is not a good idea (like back when the Hawks and a couple other teams had shorter length rinks)
A 2 on 1 shoot out might be neat. but to make it really game like:
D man starts on his own blue line
2 F start on red line
a F for the defending team starts on the other blue line (keeps the attacking Fs hustling forward)
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2pts for a win, 0 for a loss
regardless of the way the game finishes. OT is 3 on 3 until someone scores with std 20 minute periods like the playoffs. No ties, no shootouts, no 3pts games, none of this extracurricular bullshit. You win, you get 2 pts, you lose….well tuff shit, you shoulda won.
Get rid of the trapezoid.
Go back to the original Campbell and Wales conferences with the 4 divisions and divisional playoffs. Re-align the schedule so each non conference teams play once in each arena. Divisional teams are seen 6x a season with the difference between 7 team and 8 team divisons reflected in the total number of non-division, in-conference games.
You CANNOT fuck around with rink dimensions. Are YOU gonna tell some team owners they have to cough up dozens if not 100 prime seats to make the rink 210’? The league spent 2-3 decades getting to the 200×85, don’t screw with it. 10’ behind the nets, 60’ for all 3 zones. If the NHL wanted to open up the game years ago, they should have adopted the international/olympic dimensions when new buildings started popping up. Too late now, leave it as is.
I for one would like to see that stupid netting gone. I spent 20+ years in Chicago Stadium section X mezzanine behind the ‘Hawks 1st and 3rd period nets and couldn’t imagine looking through that crap.
Just win the next game...!
Well Like I said crazy ideas, for fun somewhat
You CANNOT fuck around with rink dimensions. Are YOU gonna tell some team owners they have to cough up dozens if not 100 prime seats to make the rink 210’
No, it would be up to owner/team is they wanted to do this or any other arrangement within these limits, not compulsory just optional for each team. If they like 200×85 they can have it.
I agree with you on the netting.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Aug 28, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
i agree with this one
too many teams turtle at the end of a game to at least get a point out of it…make the game, go for broke…dollars to donuts, we end up with less shootouts.
when did you run into will smith!?
by desertindian on Sep 3, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I love the 1st and 2nd ideas. Your argument about the historical benchmarks is pretty irrelevant. If it improves the game, we shouldn’t have to care about comparing seasons.
An alternative for the 2nd idea would be alternating powerplays. Start off with 5-4s, go down to 4-3, then 5-3. 1 minute each, shorthanded goals count.
As for the 3rd, no reason to make traveling even harder than it already is. Taking 4 hour flights every other day is pretty taxing.
4, really? Home ice advantage is good enough as it is. Teams know the quality of their own ice, they know the lighting, their fans are behind them etc.. Teams usually win like 20 percent more home games than away. That’s pretty lopsided.
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by Scratch and Snif on Aug 28, 2010 3:48 PM CDT reply actions
Well at least only a 1/3 think I am completeley out of my mind
That is better than the norm.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Aug 29, 2010 1:22 PM CDT reply actions
Um
You need to have a look at your numbers again. For some reason, you have the Habs playing something like 96 regular season games. I’ve already had a look at this season’s standings if using the Olympic points system here, so feel free to bump the numbers.
Oh, I see what you did
you forgot to subtract OTW from your W column, but your points totals are still fine.
I like some alternative to the skills competition.
Odd man rush is an interesting concept.
Your points argument makes no sense to me. Even if it were changed to 3210 it would be easy to adjust historical stats for comparison. Assigning half points would get messy.
I’m all for a realignment if it means less travel and fewer games starting at 10pm Central.
I also like the idea of rinks not being a standard size.
Yes, get rid of the trapezoid and the netting. I hate the netting!
You’re not completely insane, but I’m really in no position to judge…
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal. (1971 loss to Habs)
The netting kinda keeps people from getting whacked in the face with a high slapshot. The only games I know that start at 10 central are the ones in Cali, which makes sense because their games shouldn’t be at 4 or 5 pm. The only adjustment I’d make is making Detroit and Chicago east conference teams. However, that would imbalance the number of teams per conference as well as the overall level of competition in the West.
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by Scratch and Snif on Aug 29, 2010 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Duh and duh
Somehow we lived without the netting for 100 years. Pay attention to the game.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal. (1971 loss to Habs)
It was a - what - 9 year old girl that died in Columbus that got the netting installed
dead children just put sort of a damper on the festivities
and children have limited attention focusing ability
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Confusion will be my epitaph.
Yes it was
Beyond children’s attention spans, now you have all the fucktards on their Blackberry during the game. That netting isn’t going anywhere until we come up with force fields. I wonder if they could make it out of fishing line or something like that though that would make it a little less visible.
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by stickhandler on Aug 30, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
You're just no fun anymore.
Safety is way over rated.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal. (1971 loss to Habs)
back in the day ... it was usually the bimbo in the fur coat that got hit
maybe no bighter than a 9 year old, but at least an adult
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The idea for overtime is intriguing
But I always get nervous with rules that are up to discretion, like did skater A make a lateral move with the rebound, or how far the three forwards can cross and shift without some of their moving being seen as “backwards”
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
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Really, the idea is to keep the play moving forward
Just like in real life, Really you only get the one shot and maybe a quick rebound chance to score before the rest enter the zone. Is it up to discretion yes, but it would really need to be a blatant violation that breaks from what would be expected in an odd man rush to negate the play.
For clarification a skating forward could bring the puck from forehand to backhand to shoot or vice-versa, he just could not skate with the puck to reposition, it would need to be a quick action rebound shot.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Aug 30, 2010 6:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Good hockey stuff here
Your own data indicate that various ranking measures produce largely similar results. You also gotta figure that to some extent, teams play toward the rules in place, and there’s a small danger in mapping alternative ranking systems to data produced under a different system.
For OT, I say keep it real simple. 4-on-4 for 20 minutes. If no one scores, no 3rd point. Probably wouldn’t happen much, especially non-conference games, because losing the third point is basically no worse than a tie in those games.
Reliagnment is a bitch- I played around a bit and got nowhere. Somehow, Calgary and Edmonton have to stay together though.
Not a fan of tweaking dimensions. Might it not lead to more injuries? Plus, I always hated those speedy, turf-friendly Cardinals.
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good discussion ideas
1. 2 points for a win, 0 points for a loss. Just because the team “played well enough to get to OT” doesn’t mean they should get a reward for losing later. They lost!
2. I don’t have a problem with shootouts. The game has to end in a reasonable amount of time. The argument that “the defense has no say in the final outcome” forgets about the guy wearing all that padding and a funny mask – the goalie is a defender too. I’d like a 10 minute 4 on 4, but eventually, your top guys should be deciding the games for you.
3. How did the Lightning end up with teams in the Midwest?
4. The game is too fast to have variations in rink size. It’s not like baseball where play is generally slow enough that the fielders can manage different sized outfields. Guys need to know instinctively how much space they have between themselves and the corners/boards/etc for safety and having variation like that can be dangerous for the players, imo.
The reason I put TBL in the same Division as the Hawks
was to prevent both FL teams from being in the same conference.I could swap TBL with CBJ, NAS or ATL, but that would end up having both TBL and FLA in the same Conference. I know it would be out of the way compared to SCUM, TOR, STL and CHI, but it is still not nearly as spread out as the Western teams (which they currently are regardless comparatively).
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Aug 30, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
why don't you want them
in the same conference? I understand exposure for teams in other markets, but maybe that is done with fewer divisional games.
by Katherine215 on Aug 30, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
You could
Just to a preference on my part. Try to keep the Conferences separated in a Geo area. Does introduce the “thrill” (or lack of it) for a FLA-TBL, or PIT-PHI, or NYR-NYI, or LAK-ANA SCF possibilities, and as you mentioned, more exposure.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Aug 30, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Put one FL team in the American League and one in the National League.
Neither belongs in the NHL, imo.
As long as you’re making extreme changes, cut the league down to 24 teams.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal. (1971 loss to Habs)
maybe...
but to me, the thrill is then limited to one geographic area or state. at least with the East and the West, you’re more likely to get both sides of the country involved, or at least 2 metro areas.
by Katherine215 on Aug 30, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
if the lighter green indicates a different seed
then I think there are some mistakes in your coloring system
3-2-1 charts
Buffalo, Pitt, Vancouver and Phoenix all retained their current seed, so they should be dark green instead of light green.
2-1.5-0.5 charts
Vancouver and Phoenix retained their current seed, they should be dark green instead of light green
Pitt and Buffalo swap seeds, therefore, they should be light green.
I’d much rather have a shootout than see Duncan Keith out on a island in an odd man rush situation in which he could get hurt.
Not a fan of the odd man rush competition; I think it’d be just as much a crapshoot as the shootouts are.
Ditto for Badgerdano
I see what I did,
Did not account for Division winner still getting the 3rd seed.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Aug 30, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
most of your suggestions are valid
however varying rinks is just batshit crazy. In hockey I think it would only serve to slow the game down (more offsides etc). I mean, whats the most exciting hockey, when the two teams are going back and forth trading chance after chance, uninterrupted.
I do agree, shootout needs to disappear, and just do it like they do in the playoffs, play straight up hockey until hockey is over, or even take it to 4 on 4. For a home ice advantage, the home team could go 5 on 4 for the first two minutes of OT, and I think that would help teams not “play for the tie” because really, who wants to kill off a penalty after 60 minutes of play (unless your the Hawks and that is your best scoring opportunity).
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Call me old-fashioned...
but I’m a big fan of a 2-0 point system. You play to win the game.
If I had my way with OT, there would be continuous 20 minute periods of sudden death 4-on-4. There is nothing more exciting than sudden death 4-on-4 in my book.
As far as realignment goes, I’d like to see some contraction (lookin’ at you, Thrashers!) and restoring the traditional conference names. Divisions might need to shift for contraction (Stars in the Central once the Preds are gone?), but I don’t think radical realignment is necessary.
I would also like to see each rink designed with a quirk. Maybe a loop-de-loop in the middle, or a windmill protecting the goals. In Minnesota they should have a special bonus “multi-puck” round for the last three minutes of each period.
Re-alignment
What do you think about this for re-alignment?
Eastern Conferfence
Div 1 – TB, FLA, ATL, CAR, NSH
Div 2 – CLB, PIT, PHIL, WAS, MTL
Div 3 – NYI, NYR, NJ, BOS, BUF
Western Conference
Div 1 – CHI, DET, STL, TOR, OTT
Div 2 – DAL, DEN, MIN, EDM, CAL
Div 3 – VAN, SJ, LA, ANA, PHX
Pretty much in agreement
I go along with the realignment. I think it would bring in more interest. You could have at least one game against all the other conference teams. And maybe even do a twist on NFL one div plays all of another div. Maybe do that but a couple of games. It can only improve competition. Like PAC10 and Big10 get lit up every year by the SEC in bowls. Why? Cause they never play good teams. If you want overall better hockey. Teams should play outside their conference more. Just a thought.

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