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Capocalypse:Myth and Realities - My first fanpost


Very little of what I'm writing here is news to anyone on this site, but I've gotten so sick and tired of reading uninformed opinions. More than that, I'm sick and tired of correcting these uninformed opinions. So for my first Fanpost, I decided I wanted to create a catch all post that I (and others) can point to that corrects a lot of those uninformed opinions and misconceptions.

If there's anything I've missed, please add it in the comments.

Star-divide

 

Myth: "I don't understand why the hawks had to dismantle the team, I get that there's a salary cap but..."

Reality: There is no "but." You either "get" that or you don't.  The NHL has a hard salary cap, you cannot exceed it.

The NHL salary cap for the 2010-2011 season is 59.4 million dollars.

Last year, the Hawks were very close to the salary cap before they paid out some big performance bonuses to some of their players, mainly Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane. These bonuses were written into their contracts. Once the players hit the statistical qualifiers (like Toews winning the Conn Smythe award) they were automatically paid out.

The Hawks bonuses put them over the cap to the tune of $4.157 million, because those bonuses put the Hawks over the cap for last season, the overage rolled over to this year's cap, so even though the NHL has a 59.4 million dollar cap, from the very beginning the Hawks have been working with 55.24 million. Were it not for the bonuses, you can bet that Niemi would still be a Blackhawk, and it's likely that either Buff or Versteeg would still be as well. It sucks, but thems the breaks, and you can't go back and rewrite the contracts, or give the Conn Smythe to someone else.

Myth: "But.. but... but!"

Reality: Ok, let's look closer

An NHL roster consists of 22 or 23 players. 20 dress every game, 12 forwards, 6 defensemen, and 2 goalies. You can keep three other players so that you can avoid shuffling your minor league rosters in case of an injury. To help the hawks as much as possible, we're going to operate with a 22 man roster. For simplicity we're going to assume one is a forward, and one is a defensman.

The combined salary of 8 hawks, (Toews, Kane, Hossa, Sharp, Bolland, Keith, Campbell, and Seabrook) is 41.63 million dollars.

Kopecky makes 1.2 million, Troy Brouwer makes 1.025

That left the Hawks with 11.387 million dollars to fill 6 forward slots, 4 defense slots, 2 goalies.

Niklas Hjalmarsson got 3.500 million

Jack Skille got 0.600 million

Brian Bickell got  0.542 million

John Scott got 0.513 million (we're going to count Scott as a defenseman for simplicity sake)

That left the hawks with 6.232 million for eight players: 4 forwards, 2 defensemen,  and 2 goalies 

Let's look at the guys the Hawks had to trade

Kris Versteeg 3.084 million

Dustin Byfuglein 3.000 million

Brent Sopel 2.334 million

Ben Eager 0.965 million

Colin Frasier 0.825 million

Had the Hawks kept those players, that'd be another 10.230 million dollars.That puts the Hawks 3.998 million dollars OVER the salary cap.

You can't just slash $3.998 million either. Every guy you take off the roster has to be replaced. Eager and Frasier make $1.790 million combined, but trading both only opens up a maximum of $0.790 million because they have to be replaced by two guys making at least $0.500 million each.

Trading away the 5 guys the Hawks dealt left the team with $6.232 million for 8 guys. Four forwards, Two Defensemen, and Two goalies.

Let's whittle it down from there

Corey Crawford is your backup goalie at $0.800 million

Four forwards/Two Defensemen/One Goalie, $5.432 million

Jordan Hendry will be one of your other defensemen, let's say he only receives a $25,000 raise, that puts him at $0.675 million

4/1/1 $4.757million

Victor Stalberg will probably get one of the forward spots at $0.850 million

3/1/1 $3.907 million

Jake Dowell will make the team at $0.525 million

2/1/1 $3.382 million

Now you've got to find a way to fit 4 guys on the team for $0.845 each, and you still don't have a starting goalie.That's where the Hawks were before they let Niemi walk this morning.

Marty Turco $1.300 million

2/1/0 $2.082 million

The difference between Niemi's contract and Turco's contract was $1.450 million. Find a way to fit that $1.450 million under the cap and still sign 22 guys. Here's a hint, you can't. This isn't a dare, it's math. You literally cannot pay 3 guys 500K AND fit the difference between Niemi and Turco under the cap.

Nobody says trading players away doesn't suck, but something had to happen. The Sharks likely kicked the Hawks in the nuts when they offered Hjalmarson 3.5 million a year. It forced the Hawks to make a decision, and they kept the better player. Furthermore, when (theoretically) forced to choose between trading Sharp or Bolland in order to keep Niemi, they kept the better players.

Myth: "Brian Campbell's contract screws the Hawks, Campbell sucks, he's soooo overpaid!"

Reality: Puck moving defensemen are expensive, and Campbell is one of the best in the league. His absence in March and April was very noticeable. Were he to become a free agent today, he'd be making no less than 5 million dollars, and probably closer to 5.5 While I will admit that 1.5 million dollar difference would be awfully nice to have right now, but there's no telling just how much money the Hawks needed to pay Campbell to pry him away from the Sharks.

It may very well be that the Hawks weren't going to get him for a penny less than the 7.2 million they paid him. Remember, When the Hawks signed Campbell, they were just a year removed from league bottom feeders, and still hadn't won a playoff series in over 10 years. Not exactly a destination franchise, even with Kane and Towes.

Myth: "Well if he's so good why can't they just trade Brian Campbell!"

Reality: Well first I'd ask: if I've convinced you that he is indeed good, why do you want to trade him? Secondly, there really isn't a single place you can deal him to. There are two types of teams in hockey. There's teams like the Hawks, the Leafs, the Flyers, Canucks, etc, the big market teams that spend up to the cap every year. None of these teams have the cap room to fit 7.2 million onto their team (unlike baseball, you can't send cash in a deal.) The second type of team are the small market clubs. These teams can easily fit 7.2 million dollars, but they don't have the money or the stomach to actually pay that amount.

Myth: "Dustin Byfuglein could have been that puck moving defender the hawks needed, they didn't give him a chance before moving him to forward!"

Reality: Stop reading Barry Rozner

Myth: Cristobal Huet screwed the hawks

Reality: The Hawks are burying Huet's entire $5.625 million in Rockford, meaning it won't count against the cap. All of the numbers above factor in that money coming off the books.

Myth: "But I heard that the Hawks can't shift that Huet money until 10 days before the season starts"

Reality: You're correct, however, the NHL allows you to spend up to 10% over the cap until the season starts. It just so happens that Huet's salary is actually just a tic less than 10% of the cap.

Myth: "This is all Dale Tallon's fault."

Reality: If by "fault" you mean "building a championship team" then yes, it's all Dale's fault.

Dale did some unfortunate things. Screwing the pooch on the offer sheets last summer was a horrible, inexcusable mistake. It probably cost him his job and I can't say that I disagree with the decision. He also likely overpaid several players by anywhere between a few hundred thousand to a million dollars each that really added up and exacerbated the Hawks money issues this off season.

All that aside, he's the man who built this championship team. He drafted Kane and Towes, signed Hossa and Campbell, got Versteeg from Boston for Brandon Fucking Bochenski and Sharp from Philly for Matt Fucking Ellison and a 3rd-round pick. Yep, he whiffed on Huet, yep, he probably paid a bit too much for Campbell, but he's the reason the Hawks hoisted the cup.

Myth: "This is all Stan Bowman's fault!"

Reality: Stan was royally screwed going into this off season and he knew it. I wouldn't know a good hockey prospect from a hole in the ground, but I know that OTHER people who seem to know what they're talking about think the Hawks landed some good players in the trades, and I know he got a first round pick and a high prospect for Buff not days after another GM anonymously said he'd be crazy to think he could get that much.

Furthermore, he locked up Toews, Kane and Keith last year and kept Patrick Sharp. He's also got us in good position to shoot down the...

Myth: "There's no way the Hawks can keep Seabrook now either! Damn that Bowman!"

Reality: That $4.157 million in bonus money comes off the books next year. Seabs is already making $3.5 million dollars. Now there is no way on this or any other planet that Seabrook ends up making more money per year than Keith's $5.5 million per year. Even if you pay him 5 million that's only a raise of 1.5 million. I would not be at all surprised if Seabrook signs a contract on the order of 10 years/48 million in December or January.

Myth: "This is all John McDonough's fault, I knew his meddling would come back to bite us!"

Reality: Hang yourself ok that's too harsh, stop watching hockey.

Myth: "I can't believe the Hawks finally win the cup, and then they break up the whole team!"

Reality: Jonathan Toews, Patrick Kane, Marian Hossa, Patrick Sharp, Duncan Keith, Brian Campbell, Niklas Hjalmarsson, and Brent Seabrook are still with the team. Those eight players were the eight best players on a team that just won the Stanley Cup. If you figure Niemi was probably the 9th best player, and Marty Turco is as good or better than Anti Niemi, and Dave Bolland could arguably be the 10th best player on last year's team, you're looking at a pretty good "core" returning. This also means that Troy Brouwer is your 11th best player and he's more than capable of playing on the first line with Toews and Kane. Find me a team in the NHL whose 11th best player is better than Troy Brouwer.

Are the Hawks better on paper than they were last year? While it's possible the further progression of the young players could make up for the losses of Buff, Versteeg, Madden, Ladd and they could find a 5th defenseman who can do what Sopel did in the playoffs, unfortunately, in all likelihood, they are not as good as they were last year.

That said, while arguments can be made that the Kings, Canucks, Bruins or a few other teams could roll out a team that is both as talented and as deep as the Hawks, unless Kolvachuk ends up with the Kings, none of those arguments is clear cut.

Repeating as Champions is the hardest thing to do in professional team sports, but this Hawks team is in a good place to do it. Instead of being upset at the Hawks for having to deal away a handful of fan favorites, you might want to stand back for a second and look at the bigger picture. The Hawks dealt away a handful of fan favorites, who were good players and they still have to be favored to make a deep playoff run in 2010-2011. That says more about how good the 2009-2010 team was than anything else.

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like the breakdown

all valid points, especially on Soupy, and I forgot about those bonuses. Also, does your spellchecker have a vendetta against “Toews” and change it to “Towes”?

Back off man, I'm a scientist
Bug Chuckers Fly Fishing

by BigCSouthside on Aug 3, 2010 1:54 AM CDT reply actions  

No,

but clearly my brain does. Gah. fixed. it.

by Bellwether Meltdown on Aug 3, 2010 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Outstanding

Pretty much covers it IMHO. I found SCH thru Puck Daddy/Yahoo. Lurked here awhile b4 starting to post. Now when I read the Yahoo blog, I feel like my brain will explode at any second. I can’t imagine a larger group of helmet wearing droolers anywhere.

You can make things happen, watch things happen or wonder what the hell happened.

by Timothy Fisher on Aug 3, 2010 2:16 AM CDT reply actions  

go to

“winging it in motown” or any ESPN blog for any sport

Back off man, I'm a scientist
Bug Chuckers Fly Fishing

by BigCSouthside on Aug 3, 2010 2:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dude

No-one actually suggested Byfuglien as a puck-moving D-man, did they? Really?

by Germware on Aug 3, 2010 3:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Barry Rozner has suggested it

multiple times in his anti-Cambpell rants while filling in on the score. I’ve never seen it in any of his columns, but I never read his columns, so it’d be kinda hard.

by Bellwether Meltdown on Aug 3, 2010 4:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

I’ve heard all of you bitching about Rozner, but I’ve never read his columns or seen him on TV or anything, so I’d never realised his stupidity reached such heights.

by Germware on Aug 3, 2010 5:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why do sportswriters in this city suck so hard!!!!

As my mentor in life would say “They are the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked”

There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.

by whiskeyboy on Aug 5, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great summary!

we should just start linking people here anytime they post something dumb in the other threads.

by Katherine215 on Aug 3, 2010 8:50 AM CDT reply actions  

along with the phrase

“Great story. Compelling, and rich.”?

But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.

(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)

by chiblackhawks on Aug 3, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

and instead of using the “a”, you could just do the link by itself. Sort of like a longer version of the “a.”

by Katherine215 on Aug 3, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

heh

what up, stats?

June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.

by cliffkoroll on Aug 3, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh, that's even better.

I was thinking just the web address but a linked “a” is much funnier.

by Katherine215 on Aug 3, 2010 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was actually thinking

Great story. Compelling, and rich.

But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.

(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)

by chiblackhawks on Aug 4, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

good idea

oh, and great summary!

happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!

by puppetmasterp on Aug 3, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really well done

Loved the swipe at Rozner, his hockey thoughts hurt my brain.

by Northside_Dan on Aug 3, 2010 9:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Rec'd

Already linked it to someone in an argument, so I figured a rec was in order.

by Delta0ne1 on Aug 3, 2010 9:43 AM CDT reply actions  

agree on nearly all points

but your point on seabrook’s salary relative to Keith’s may be a little off.

Sure, Dunc’s cap hit is 5.5, but his salary for the next few years is in the neighborhood of 8 mil per year. If you view seabs value (and the fact that he is younger than Dunc and Campbell) based on Dunc making 8 and Campbell making 7, how much can seabs get? I know that Seabs has a more traditional skillset as a stay at home defensemen, so he shouldn’t be too expensive, but with the bloated Dman market that we saw this off-season, who knows. While the way you wrote the Seabs logic might be off, the end result that you mention is probably true (him getting 5ish from the Hawks) simply because he’s an RFA. If Seabs were a UFA, I’d certainly be scarred that someone might throw 6 mil at him.

I’m a little bit weary of locking Seabs in to the same type of long term deal that Hoss and Dunc received, not because I don’t think Seabs is valuable, but because you don’t want too many of those long term-front loaded-cap reducing contracts on your team. And this doesn’t just go for seabs; any player can have a serious injury that may not end their career, but will dramatically reduce their effectiveness. I’d like to throw a nice 5 year 25 million deal at Seabs when we can.

Minor discrepancy, nice post. Rec.

Ditto for CNS

by Hack on Aug 3, 2010 9:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Because of his age,

I think Seabrook will sign a shorter contract like Toews and Kane did. Maybe 5 years at or around $4.5 million. I hope the Hawks and Seabrook can work out something during the season. We don’t need a repeat of what happened with San Jose and Hammer.

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Aug 3, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

interesting bit if Seabs gets hurt while under a long term contract

The Hawks could legally exceed the cap by the amount of Seabs hit to replace him due to injury. One of the Canadian teams (Toronto I believe) is currently doing this.

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by Johnny Lava on Aug 3, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think that's where LTIR goes into play.

But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.

(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)

by chiblackhawks on Aug 3, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right, and to clarify

I’m talking about a scenario in which a player would get hurt, go on LTIR in year 3 of 12, and then come back and not be half the player he was. Like a serious knee injury or something.

Ditto for CNS

by Hack on Aug 3, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

excellent post. recd

…just wanted to add that ya missed the mountain man ladd trade @ 2.35mildo. That couldn’t have stayed on the books…
…and you didn’t really mention the other UFAs that are just waved byebye to cuz the indian head can’t afford ‘em anymore,
Madden, of course, who’ll have no problem matching how much he made last year 2.8mil.
the dead defenseman, who they don’t hafta worry about paying and couldnt afford anyways, if he were alive
burish signed for a 1.15 cap hit
and the 3rd pairing dman boynton who can probably get another $1.5mil

Holy chocolate covered mammary glands, Batman!
Um, that's not chocolate, Boy Wonder

by JohnnyBourbon on Aug 3, 2010 11:00 AM CDT reply actions  

...one more thing

maybe mention the fact that the bottom 2 lines (moreso the 4th than the 3rd) and bottom d pairing are much more replaceable, in practice and general theory…and thusly should be cheaper. If someone WANTS to pay Eager, Burish, et.al. more than a relatively equal replacement player, let them.

Holy chocolate covered mammary glands, Batman!
Um, that's not chocolate, Boy Wonder

by JohnnyBourbon on Aug 3, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

To that Johnny.

The 3rd and 4th lines won you the Cup.

All things being equal ( and yes, I know Toews led the scoring, and what the others did )…but top line talent versus top line talent usually evens out.

The 3rd and 4th lines for you guys overwhelmed their opponents throughout the playoffs. They chipped in offensively, and more importantly, drew so many penalties. They were so good that you would see Q having out his 3rd and 4th against other teams’ 1st and 2nd lines.

That was where the big advantage was. Guys like Ladd and Eager, Fraser when he got in. Outplaying their 3rd and 4th line counterparts throughout the post season.

John Madden was an aggravating force all 4 rounds. So was Versteeg. All Buf did was jump up to the 1st line and make room for the two other guys to do their thing. As his confidence grew, he became a force.

I get that people think it is easy to replace that …but its not. That is why all those guys got paid. ( though the sin that cost Tallon his job cost them one more players…i mil maybe plus for missing a mailing date…whew!)

Burish was a motor for your dressing room, the mouth that the press loved, and an annoying player with some talent. Yet he was just tossed aside, when just over a mil would have got him done.

Those players that actually mesh with the team, can play, and have talent are perhaps plentiful in number, with a new crop of youngsters coming out every year. But the ones that work and make your team a lot better are not as plentiful.

It should make for an interesting season though!

by vancitydan on Aug 4, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

We still have Bolland

And last year when he, Havlat and Ladd formed that checking line for the playoffs, people thought it was Havlat who made him better. Versteeg ended up with that role this year, and they performed just as well, if not better. We’d obviously like to have someone with Ladd’s skill set to play with Bolland again this year, and much as I love watching him on and off the ice, Versteeg-type players in the NHL are a dime a dozen. Maybe Sharp will have to stay a pivot, but that just means the Hawks retain that strength down the middle.

John Madden being an aggravating force all four rounds sounds like revisionist history to me— barely anyone mentioned or lauded him in the playoffs, especially since he dropped to the fourth line and Dave Bolland, Playoff Pest, took over. Buff made room for Toews and Kane to do their work but hopefully that’s what we’ll get out of Brouwer as well.

Burish was a great locker room guy, but it isn’t as though the Hawks are short of characters. He took pressure off guys like Toews in speaking candidly with press, but Campbell’s actually done a fair amount of interviews with the media as well. Maybe he won’t be as funny, but the important task of taking pressure off the captain is still there, and that’s probably why Soupy is 3rd in line for the “A”. “Just over a mil” is still a lot of money when you’re looking to pay a guy who ended up benched for more than half the playoffs.

Yes, replacing every single one of those guys will be tough, but hopefully what the scouting staff and Bowman’s wheeling and dealing has done is identified new, young players who are hungry to compete and win and prove themselves. The depth isn’t quite there anymore, but again, look back at where the Hawks were 2-3 years ago. It wasn’t too long ago when we were in a similar position—had the Hawks been a contender in 07-08, and if they’d been forced to trade off some of their roleplayers, how many would have given guys like Dustin Byfuglien and Kris Versteeg a second look as sufficient substitutes?

But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.

(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)

by chiblackhawks on Aug 4, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

well to both of you...

I certainly get that depth won out. that makes sense, and I appreciate chiblackhawks swooping in to my defence regarding the finer points of my comments that vancitydan tore up.
Now I’m not saying that the hawks SHOULD have signed cheaper guys for 3 & 4, I’m just saying they NEEDED to this offseason…and that common hockey sense says that if you’re in a bind moneywise, look to lines 3&4 first to downsize contracts for relatively comparable players…nor am i saying that the UFAs that the hawks had to bail on didn’t earn their contracts.
…and to madden is general, and because its now august and not june, I can’t say with any kind of actual stats or accurate remembering…but I can almost remember that madden seemed to play more on PK than on the 4th line down the playoff stretch…and that was certainly valuable. veteran presence and the ability to roll out 3 different forward pairings on the PK, all of which were capable of shorties at nearly any moment. well, not any moment, but you get the idea, they made shit happen.

Holy chocolate covered mammary glands, Batman!
Um, that's not chocolate, Boy Wonder

by JohnnyBourbon on Aug 4, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe I overstated a bit on Madden numbers wise.

He was great on the PK though, at least in our series, and always seemed to win a big faceoff.

There were shorties that decided our series, so maybe I noticed more.

We just talking puck Johnny…no one needed to come to your defense! ;-)

Its August and we need our fix somehow!!

Yeah, it seem to be those guys that always come up in the playoffs…and then who knows what the next will bring.

One could say that the guys that were playing 3 and 4 for you guys would be higher up the food chain on most other teams too…

Your serve…LOL

by vancitydan on Aug 4, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hear what you're saying about the Hawks' depth being a major contribution to them winning the Cup

And yes, we lost a lot of that depth, so I think they’re pretty much “in the mix” now and that’s still a very exciting place to be. Some of these new young players are going to surprise, some are going to disappoint, but that’s pretty much where the Hawks were 2 yrs ago and made it to the conference finals. Yes, it should make for an interesting season.

Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 4, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I guess that begs the question, to me at least,

how much of the performance of these role players was because they were undiscovered gems, and how much was due to the Blackhawks system? We have some decently talented kids coming up next year, and it will be interesting to see if our coaching and training staff, and our returning players, can help mold these guys to fill those roles as well as our dearly departed have?

by rsncrntz on Aug 4, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I personally don’t feel that the loss of guys like Eager, Fraser, or Burish make us a weaker team. Sopel and Madden were good experienced leaders, but now half the players on our team are experienced STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS. Crawford instead of Huet in a backup role is probably a drop off. And the loss of Niemi, well, time will tell. I’ll miss Niemi, but I’m excited about Turco. (People say Turco is past his prime and over the hill, but he’s the same age as Huet) I think all of these players are replaceable with the young talent the Hawks are bringing up or have in the system.

The guys that might be hard to replace are Ladd, Versteeg and Buff, but then again maybe not. Stalberg showed scoring ability in the juniors and has been more of a grinder the past few years. He’s got size and played for a crappy team his rookie year. Maybe he’s a poor man’s Ladd who could blossom in the Hawks system? I think the Hawks’ system is an easy transition for Scandinavian players, so I’m looking forward to seeing what he can do.

Bickell (and Brouwer) can probably fill Buff’s role more than decently. Buff played his best on the PP and when playing on the top line. Wouldn’t most?

Versteeg. Not really sure who fills his role, but we still have a few spots open. Maybe there’s an unpolished gem in the system?

I guess to answer your question, it’s probably a bit of both. The Hawks did a great job since the Barker trade in replenishing the system, but how can you not raise your level of play when you come up and are surrounded by one of the best captains in the league (Toews), one of the very best all round players (Hossa), one of the best play makers (Kane), the Norris Trophy winner (Keith), one of the better stay at home defenders (Seabs), one of the best puck-moving defenders (Soupy), and that do-whatever-you-ask-of-him sniper guy (Sharpy)??

I’d be very surprised if the Hawks weren’t a 105-110 pt team next year (I’m gonna throw out 107 pts as my prediction). The Capocalypse didn’t faze me and I’m probably more excited than most about next year. Can you tell? ;)

Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 5, 2010 2:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Through no fault of his own,

Campbell’s contract does hurt the Hawks. No, he does not suck and was crucial to the Hawks playoff success but, the length and amount of his contract are too long and too expensive.

I’m looking beyond this season, so next June when Capocalypse Part 2 arrives, the Hawks will need to sign 12 players with approximately $19 million. I’m guessing that Seabrook will be a hit of around 4.5 million. That will leave 14.5 million to sign 2 Goalies, 2 Defensemen and 8 forwards to fill out a 22 man roster, The $7 million can open up enough cap space to easily sign / resign 3 decent players on the roster. This means there would be $14.5 million to sign 9 or 10 players and possibly open enough space to work out a deal to sign Sharp before he becomes an unrestricted free agent after the 2011-12 season.

Anyway, I guess I would look for the Hawks to trade him as soon as any kind of decent deal came up. I’m sure that this will include receiving a bad contract in return but if it is something in the $4-5 million at less years, it could be bought out at a fairly reasonable price.

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Aug 3, 2010 11:06 AM CDT reply actions  

Trading Soupy

I would figure they would have to have some young prospects they feel can step in to a top 4 spot or if they could bring in another vet to fill that massive space. Right now, I just dont see anyone on the roster or a UFA that could fill that need. Sadly the defense would go from top 5 if not the best, to middle of the road real fast because what team is going to send top 4 talent to absorb the albatross contract of soupy. So I don’t seem pulling the trigger as soon as someone is willing to take him.

by Delta0ne1 on Aug 3, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Lalonde or Leddy can grow into that roll in the next 2 years

then perhaps Soupy can be traded. Of course the next CBA, the cap and all that crap will have a huge impact on what the ’Hawks can or cannot do.

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Aug 4, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Everyone's a fan favorite on a Champion.

It was inevitable that some of them had to go.

Great work.

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Chicago Blackhawks - 2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Things have changed forever, we're the Ramblin' Boys of Pleasure

by McClure on Aug 3, 2010 12:15 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Thank You

And well done.
If anyone reads this and still doesn’t “get it” there is no hope for them.

"Life is a long lesson in humility."
- James M. Barrie

by nextgame on Aug 3, 2010 12:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Fantastic analysis

And a great summary of the groupthink here at SCH, great capsule of the Hawks offseason.

Now who’s ready to watch some damn hockey?

by Stan Mikita's Donuts on Aug 3, 2010 1:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Great work

Whenever one of my still-confused friends or family has something to say about what’s been happening lately, I will promptly send them a link to this post.

‽ ⅋ ‽

by K_Dog on Aug 3, 2010 1:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Great post!

You really did a good job bringing all the various points together.

I just wanted to comment on our depth. One of the reasons the Hawks won the cup was because we were deeper than every other team in the playoffs. We could run out three solid offensive lines and even trust our fourth line for a few minutes a game in the playoffs. No other team had that luxury. We also had two exceptional defensive pairs and a third that could get us some solid minutes. No other team could boast that.

In my mind (maybe a little overly optimistic), the capocalypse at most brought us to an even footing, depth wise, with the teams we ran over on our way to the cup. We can still run out two dominant offensive lines and two well above average defensive lines, which is still more than most of last year’s playoff teams can say. If any of our young guys realize their potential this year, we are right back to where we were last year, deeper than every team we play with a great chance to repeat as cup champions.

(Kool-aid finished)

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark

by gwood on Aug 3, 2010 2:25 PM CDT reply actions  

I am going to keep chugging the kool-aid for a moment.

Who had a better top 4 defensemen than us? Keith and Seabs is possibly the best pair in the league. Yes Soupy was hurt, but his impact was EEEEEEEmediate and Hjammer does a great job playing centerfield for him.

As for the depth, I don’t see it being a problem. We still have the top three lines looking something like this…

Kane-Toews-Brow/Bickell
Hossa – Sharp – Stalberg
Kop-Bolland -Brow/Bickell

Forget if these are his starting lines and just look at all of theses guys minus Stalberg were on this team as major contributors. Stalberg looks prime to make some noise as he zips around all the free space opened up by Sharp and Hossa. So that is three lines we know are effective, high level NHL lines. Fill in the fourth line with either young guns itchin to making an impact or some vets (ie Madden last year) looking to get a ring and our depth is still top notch.

by Delta0ne1 on Aug 3, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Speed

I know the team last year was very fast and from what it looks like, dosent next years line up look faster than before?

From what I remember when we got Stalberg his speed was considered as a big plus, and I remember Bickell, Skille and Dowell were considered to have good speed.

Speed Only Compared

    Old > or < New
Versteeg < Stalberg
Buff < Bickell
Eager < Skille
Sopel < Any other D-man?
Frazz = Dowell

I think this was one of the biggest strengths of the team last year, am I crazy to think that this years team can be even faster?

by Donuts on Aug 3, 2010 5:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Much awesomeness

I hope everyone reads this first.

The sun never sets on a badass

by Trixietrx on Aug 3, 2010 6:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey,

has anyone thought that maybe Niemi, for whatever reason, doesn’t like being in Chicago and wanted an opportunity to leave? Do you think that’s a possibility?

The sun never sets on a badass

by Trixietrx on Aug 3, 2010 6:48 PM CDT reply actions  

According to his agent, the answer is yes

I posted this article yesterday

Niemi Says No

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Aug 3, 2010 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Another negative fanpost is exactly what we don't need

Whatever happened to the idea of “the only stupid question is the one you don’t ask?” Not sure why we can’t all just get along and accept each other’s differences and shortcomings instead of putting people down??

OK, OK, nice post ;)

Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 4, 2010 10:49 AM CDT reply actions  

I wonder how many people on here

don’t realize you are kidding most of the time. I bet you have many of the newbies scared to post again.

How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?

by stacie7 on Aug 4, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am serious...

and don’t call me Shirley.

Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Aug 5, 2010 2:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't call you Shirley and

Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?

How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?

by stacie7 on Aug 5, 2010 2:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice post!

Oh and Welcome!

I mean those questions come up sooo often, my head will explode. Another one is “Hossa and his contact is fucking over the hawks….Trade him.”
I don’t bother explaining on that. I just turn around shaking my head and walk away

2009-2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Chicago Blackhawks

by Jrs23 on Aug 4, 2010 2:43 PM CDT reply actions  

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