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Stan Bowman Speaks

Bring me the head of Cristobal Huet.

Earlier today Stan Bowman spoke with the pied piper of Hawks Meatballs everywhere, Dan McNeil, on 670 The Score. While there's not a lot of analysis in there that we haven't already gone over, as the next hockey thought that McNeil has that doesn't aggrandize himself will be the first, Stan does give hints at the opening night roster, and alludes to the fact that they've basically agreed to terms with Jordan Hendry but are just waiting for some of this debris to settle, and leaves open the possibility of John Madden returning, though I'd venture to guess that chance is beyond slim. If the player below doesn't work for you, click here.

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McNeil is a tool

but give him props for getting Bowman – GM of the year this summer. Handled a real mess as best as could have been expected. Would have been nice to have signed Niemi, but given the last – best offer pre arbitration was probably better than anything Niemi will sign this year, failure can only be blamed on Niemi and his agent.

by ChuckSchick on Aug 3, 2010 2:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Madden's agent is Zito

I think the chance of him resigning are beyond slim, more like skeletal.

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Aug 3, 2010 2:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Is there somewhere you can see who players' agents are?

I see it's "no criminal record" night at the ballpark -- billyok before a game against the A's
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.

by chisoxfan1473 on Aug 3, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stan specifically mentions it in the interview

I’m sure there’s a resource or two out there for that, but I couldn’t tell you specifics.

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by McClure on Aug 3, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t think there’s a list of players and their agents.. however most agencies will list clients on their websites. You can actually find a good number on Wikipedia too.

Just for kicks.. Zito also represents Wisniewski, Tuomo Ruutu and Burish.

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June 9, 2010

by Killion on Aug 3, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wiz

I can see that. Yeah, I see that real easily.

by northernsails on Aug 3, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

count me in the camp that doesn’t care if Madden returns or not. I like him quite a bit, but not if the contract is >$1mil, which I’m sure he’s worth at his consistency and experience.

by aeroplane on Aug 3, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

His consistency on the PK was all I needed. I mean Jeff Taffe is taking his spot…thats enough to make me miss Madden.

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by HjammerTime on Aug 3, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

dowell will be the 4tg line center in my opinion.

by modnar on Aug 3, 2010 3:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I hope you are correct.

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by HjammerTime on Aug 3, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dont see Taffe on this team yet

As some have suggested in prior threads, Dowell will be on that 4th line center. Of course barring any injuries then we might see him. (jinx salt has been thrown)

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by Jrs23 on Aug 3, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

We need a caption contest

for this pic of Bowman. Not that the existing caption isn’t good, but i feel the pic has so much more potential.
To me, he looks like he just wrote in crayon all over a white wall and is thinking “Uh-Oh, Mommy just found out what i did….”

happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!

by puppetmasterp on Aug 3, 2010 3:08 PM CDT reply actions  

“Sir, Doug Wilson just called. The Sharks signed Hjalmarsson to a 4 year-14 million dollar deal.”

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by HjammerTime on Aug 3, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

...and on the next page of "The Pet Goat" we have...

Too soon?

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by McClure on Aug 3, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of all the things to go after Bush for, I thought this was one of the cheapest.

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by HjammerTime on Aug 3, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is it just me

or does StanBow look like a complete tool in every single picture you’ve ever seen of him? I’m not saying he isn’t smart – he made some great trades & tough decisions – but he looks like a stupid fanny.

by Germware on Aug 3, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

YES!

this is my main problem with him. He looks and sounds (his voice, not his words, though sometimes they’re dumb too) like an idiot! Or, a stupid fanny, which I’ve never heard before. :)

by Katherine215 on Aug 3, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

having said that,

and with my appreciation for Sharp’s face so well known, I feel the need to state that I’m not a superficial fool obsessed only with looks. Just so we’re all clear on that.

by Katherine215 on Aug 3, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's good

Because I don’t look very Scottish. I’d hate for it to no longer be part of my identity on here.

by Germware on Aug 4, 2010 5:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Caveat!

What you think fanny means probably isn’t the same as Germware.

June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.

by cliffkoroll on Aug 3, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Know

LOL

You can make things happen, watch things happen or wonder what the hell happened.

by Timothy Fisher on Aug 3, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was wondering if anyone would catch that

One of my favourite things about American English is when people are talking to kids and use the word “fanny.” Oh, if only they knew the other meaning…

by Germware on Aug 4, 2010 5:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

After looking up what that means

I can’t believe we have something called a Fanny Pack.

by GoCubbies34 on Aug 4, 2010 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

that one kills me every time

I was warned several times against using the term when i was getting ready for my first trip to the UK, b/c you know, teenagers rarely pay attention to what they say. Though to be fair, i believe they call them “Bum Bags” in the UK.

happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!

by puppetmasterp on Aug 4, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

...just looked it up myself

I never knew this! I can only imagine the thousands of times an American has used that term in the UK, and the recipient tries his/her best not to bust out laughing. This is great; my first belly laugh of the day.

‽ ⅋ ‽

by K_Dog on Aug 4, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dude, Stan!

we’re out of chronic!

Back off man, I'm a scientist
Bug Chuckers Fly Fishing

by BigCSouthside on Aug 3, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

“Stan your dad is waiting outside, he looks pissed.”

If we want to do this on a happy and inspirational note for Stan:

“Your cancer is gone. You will live a healthy and happy life.”

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by HjammerTime on Aug 3, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fred Flintstone rides again

Cannot listen to McNeil, never could. Loudmouthed, ignorant doofus – constantly interrupts guests in order to genuflect in the mirror at his own awesomeness. “WiillllllllMAAAAAAA!”

by Waylon on Aug 3, 2010 3:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Danny Mac

Who is better then danny Mac? Boris And that piece of shit bernstein? God if you like them then you obviously are retarded…. I will say Danny Mac has his bad days but he is by far the best on the score and the only one that talks about hockey and actually wants to. I don’t really listen to ESPN so i my be wrong. But When it comes to score Danny Mac is the best.

by ChicagoWho?12 on Aug 3, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

We're not having this argument again in these comments

Take it to http://www.score670.com/phpBB/ if you want to do that.

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by McClure on Aug 3, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry:(

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by HjammerTime on Aug 3, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bores and Berstein are some of the most arrogant motherfuckers walking around. Berstein is bad but Bores is the absolute worst.

They used to treat all the hockey calls like shit too. Only when it became impossible to avoid talking about the Hawks did they start.

I love Mully and Hanley and I used to listen to Mike North and Mike Murphy a lot.

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by HjammerTime on Aug 3, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am truly astounded

that Bores and Berstein still have a show – they treat every caller like shit unless the caller totally sucks up to them – they are mean and arrogant assholes. I prefer the afternoon saloon thing.

by yardsale on Aug 3, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Colonoscopy > listening to "The Score"

Mully and Hanley are the exception.

39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.

by Badgerdano on Aug 4, 2010 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whatever happened to

Jim Blaney? I really liked that guy.

by Friedrich on Aug 3, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Welcome to Talk Radio.

"....we have to find a way to win. And good teams do that."

Tomas Kopecky May 29, 2010

by ballyb on Aug 3, 2010 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

That’s what I thought too.

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by HjammerTime on Aug 3, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

its become "official"

as of today. Its up on The Blackhawks’ Homepage

"It's The Chicago Blackhawks, man." ~ Jeremy Roenick, June 9th, 2010.

by Hawkynite! on Aug 3, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's eerie

am I the only one who thinks he is a Kane look a like?

by yardsale on Aug 4, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

you very well could be

"It's The Chicago Blackhawks, man." ~ Jeremy Roenick, June 9th, 2010.

by Hawkynite! on Aug 4, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

random thought

Adam Jahns is a pretty damn solid Hawks beat writer / reporter

Ditto for CNS

by Hack on Aug 3, 2010 5:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Mora was pretty good too. Rosenbloom and Sassone still hold court however.

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by HjammerTime on Aug 3, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dear Blogosphere, can we talk?

You know I love you, but sometimes I wonder what you’re smoking. On this radio show, I wonder who your dealer is. Because I want some. (Click the most recent podcastf, Aug. 2.) I’ve heard a whole lot of Byfuglien love lately. As in Buff suddenly becomes ‘the guy the Hawks will miss most’ or ‘Buff is the guy the Hawks don’t have a replacement for’.

Are we watching the same team?

Are we watching the same hockey league?

These are guys from FifthFeather, who I usually respect, but. Oh, BUT. Buff was the dude who never showed up for 82 games a year. Buff was the one we couldn’t count on in the playoffs because he never knew his job. Yes he could play defense and forward and that’s a nice luxury, but he rarely did either well until he was hooked up with Daydream Nation. Newsflash: a lot of guys start looking like All-Stars when you hook them up with Toews and Kane. Toews and Kane are seemingly a magic bullet for at least 20 goals a year, and rightfully so. I just don’t get where people are coming from here.

Later in the podcast, they compare Campbell to Chelios (WHAT? Not even the same purpose or skill-set!), and assert that there were no roster battles in training camp last year (AHEM. GOALIES. Niemi? Crawford? Remember them?)

Seriously? Who thinks these things? Apparently I just don’t understand people.

by spokeinthebandwagon on Aug 3, 2010 6:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Those are questions that should be directed that those specific blogs

We can’t really speak on behalf of John of the Feather or Chris Block.

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by McClure on Aug 3, 2010 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

No worries

I was a bit puzzled listening to that too, but that’s their stance.

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by McClure on Aug 3, 2010 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

  1. 7 and # 51

As much as I love the Stanley Cup and defend Soupy and think I would have to go with Chili if you had a gun to my head.

Soupy brings the speed, but Chili brought the pain.

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by HjammerTime on Aug 3, 2010 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll take Badger 7 over Soupy also.

39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.

by Badgerdano on Aug 4, 2010 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

From fetishes to Faulkner

McClure, you’ve got a run-on sentence up there that would make Faulkner proud.

And the fact that your writing can elicit reactions that range from porn to Faulkner should make YOU proud.

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-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)

by HungryHungryPanda on Aug 3, 2010 6:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Actually

Just for shits, I plugged a lengthy post of mine into THIS SITE, which tells you what writer your style most resembles, and it spat Faulkner back at me.

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by McClure on Aug 3, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

score 1 for Panda

pretty cool

June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.

by cliffkoroll on Aug 3, 2010 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I got

chuck palahniuk for one writing sample, and David Foster Wallace for another

Back off man, I'm a scientist
Bug Chuckers Fly Fishing

by BigCSouthside on Aug 3, 2010 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

whoa

two of my faves, but I gotta say this is a bit unsettling, compared to the genteel Faulkner, no?

Have you read Infinite Jest?

June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.

by cliffkoroll on Aug 3, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

get yer feet under ya

it’s 900 pages.

Five words:

Les Assassins des Fauteuils Roulants

June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.

by cliffkoroll on Aug 3, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I got David Foster Wallace

for one of my selections and J.D. Salinger for almost all of the rest.

by Hjammered on Aug 5, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I got

James Joyce, James Fenimore Cooper & David Foster Wallace (Twice). I have no clue how Joyce and Cooper came up.

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Aug 3, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

we must write similarly

i got James, Joyce, David Foster Wallace, and H.P, Lovecraft. Apparently any sample of scientific writing sounds like “weird fiction”

happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!

by puppetmasterp on Aug 4, 2010 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I got Lovecraft

but it was for a parody essay I wrote a few years back. Don’t have any “real” stuff that I’ve written on a PC that I can easily C&P across, which is a pain.

by Germware on Aug 5, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I get David Foster Wallace everytime I do that.

I have no complaints.

Chicagoan in the Lou.

by Mike Martin on Aug 4, 2010 2:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

R.L. Stein here

Afroman likes tall cans.

by OMFS88 on Aug 4, 2010 7:07 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Don't know if that's better or worse

Than my Stephen King.

Go jump in Toews Lake.
Aubrey: old German for king of the elves. Huff: English for...huff.

by shinkicker on Aug 4, 2010 8:01 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I would expect that Stephen King

Is an upgrade considering I have heard multiple people say the ONLY books they ever read in their life (not counting required in school) were R.L. Stein books… when they were 9 years old… Which presumably prompted them to give up on reading altogether!

Afroman likes tall cans.

by OMFS88 on Aug 4, 2010 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I got Dan Brown

I knew I shouldn’t have put my paper on catholicism in there

Ditto for CNS

by Hack on Aug 5, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tom Awad's GVT numbers for goalies last year.

For a third party point of view on Turco vs Niemi, here are the GVT numbers. Turco and Niemi were the 16th and 18th highest rated goalies for the year. So both were in the second half of the league performance wise but in the top part of the lower half. Can you say “fair to middlin…”

Ryan Miller BUF 37.1

Evgeni Nabokov SJS 32.1

Ilya Bryzgalov PHX 28.8

Henrik Lundqvist NYR 28.3

Jimmy Howard DET 27.4

Tomas Vokoun FLA 26.8

Tuukka Rask BOS 25.9

Jaroslav Halak MTL 22.3

Miikka Kiprusoff CGY 21.4

Craig Anderson COL 21.2

Martin Brodeur NJD 20.5

Jonas Hiller ANA 17.9

Chris Mason STL 15.0

Roberto Luongo VAN 14.3

Johan Hedberg ATL 13.3

Marty Turco DAL 11.6

Pekka Rinne NSH 11.4

Antti Niemi CHI 11.0

@@

by DaleHalas on Aug 3, 2010 6:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Bobby Lu

Hilarious Lungo is so far down there.

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by HjammerTime on Aug 3, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Madden

Looking at the Blue Jackets..they have a ton of Centers. Why sign Madden?

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by HjammerTime on Aug 3, 2010 7:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Completely off topic

but a stick-tap to Adam Jahns for a surprisingly level-headed article in today’s Sun-Times. Explained why the off-season moves needed to be made to talk the sky-is-falling crowd off the ledge.

A well-thought-out hockey article from a Chicago scribe. Imagine that!

Beer. Now there's a temporary solution.

by one timer on Aug 3, 2010 7:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Kuc was on the local PBS station tonight, and said something similar

But what he said about which player the Hawks would miss the most, he pointed to Ladd – not only for his energy, experience, willingness to do whatever is needed, excellent two – way player, etc…but even more for his locker room presence. Reiterated how tight the team was last year, particularly on the road – talked to Kane about all of the departures, and the kid sounded really hurt about losing so many of his close friends. Welcome to the hard reality of the cap, Patrick – that sounded really sad to me, we forget how young both he and Toews are (well, maybe only with Toews). Guess they’re growing up even more quickly than they thought they’d have to.

by Waylon on Aug 3, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

After reading Jesse Rogers' blog today,

I am more impressed by the reporting of Kuc and Jahns. I think they’ve both done a great job of being factual and not rumor-mongering or letting their personal feelings get into their reporting.

by Katherine215 on Aug 3, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jesse Rogers works for ESPN. nuff said?

The shit they throw on that site and Jesse’s blog. more often than not, awful.
Jahns seems to be doing well. Sassone is good. Kuc, alright I suppose. He of no opinions. He gets high marks at least for his pic on his twitter of him creeping over Iginla’s shoulder. hilarious.

"...can i have a glass of whiskey and a slice of bread?"

by west_fulton on Aug 4, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've never seen Zito

but I wouldn’t be surprised if he showed up and was the spitting image of Jesse Rogers

But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.

(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)

by chiblackhawks on Aug 4, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Alvin Chang had been writing some pretty sensible stuff on ESPN

But he’s clearly spending too much time around LeBrun, Burnside, and Barnaby lately. This if from today:

The Chicago Blackhawks signed 2006 first-rounder Igor Makarov on Tuesday, ESPN Chicago reports. Something like this was to be expected, since GM Stan Bowman said he would add a defenseman.

But is there one more signing in store for the Hawks? Right now, they have six defensemen on the roster — enough to fill out three pairings. But in case of injury, the Hawks might try to add one more d-man.

One intriguing candidate is Jordan Hendry, the Hawks’ own restricted free agent. The 26-year-old made $625,000 last season and, if the Hawks carry a pared down roster, Hendry could come into use because he’s been used both as a forward and defenseman.

Ya think, Alvin?

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by HungryHungryPanda on Aug 4, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Reminds me of the gossip columnist from The Onion

Jackie Harvey or something.

Nice scoop alvin.

June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.

by cliffkoroll on Aug 4, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

[repost] Rockford just got some new neighbors.

I was so preoccupied with all the goalie nonsense that it became so easy not to notice, but according to Hockeyfights.com as well as The 300 Level The Rockford IceHogs signed Zack Torquato, Andy Bohmbach, and Scott Fletcher to AHL/ECHL Contracts.

Torquato (21 yrs old, 6’0" 195lbs) is the real standout amongst this group. He was a former SCUM prospect drafted in 2007 and had been most recently playing for The Erie Otters of the OHL. Apparently he wasn’t progressing as fast as the experts in Detoilet were hoping and let him go before the start of the ‘09-’10 season.

After SCUM released him, however, Turquato decided to surpass his previous season’s point total by 30 points the following year, recording 31 Goals & 62 Assists amassing for 93 Pts in 68 Games. He then notched 3 Pts in 4 Playoff Games for Erie.

He’s seen limited AHL time in Grand Rapids and for the moment Turquato seems, much like Bohmbach, and Fletcher, destined to help fill the void created when the assumed Rockford "Newbies" join the big club (Skille, Dowell, Bickell, et all).

I can only take this, for now, that it means if there are any holes left to fill for Stan, unless its for an experienced PK/Shot-Blocking Machine D-man, they’ll be plugged up by the best our development systems can provide. Thankfully our development systems and wealth of prospects makes me feel a little more at ease for this type of situation.

So we’ve got that going for us, which is nice.

"It's The Chicago Blackhawks, man." ~ Jeremy Roenick, June 9th, 2010.

by Hawkynite! on Aug 4, 2010 12:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Hey Dali, how about something for the effort.

by Friedrich on Aug 4, 2010 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am TOTALLY digging this Detroit / Chicago rivalry

It’s a bold statement by both teams with a way long overlooked rivalry nobody ever talks about, you should hate them..we helped them win many Stanley Cups. For awhile we were sold out by an owner worse than Bill Wirtz. That was back in the late 40’s and early 50’s. The Red Wings had an insider with the Blackhawks that would draft a player from the last place team, the Hawks were the last place team. The hawks last Stanley Cup came against Detroit in 1961, exacting a little revenge . But later, Detroit as Chicago struggled for years after that, Chicago came a lot closer than Detroit did. Until..Detroit got a new owner. They won a few cups. They hired a few good fellas.

Look what happened in Chicago, to our beloved Blackhawks after we changed owners. We won the cup! Because we hired a few good fellas. Yeah, we overspent to do it, but we won it, and what’s really nice is that we raided Detroit to do it, I will call it a nice payback. Hossa holding the cup, really put us over the top.

The one problem I have with the Hawks Vs. Wings fans is that Blackhawk fans need to jump on the bandwagon a little deeper and look at how far this rivalry goes back. This latest thing isn’t new. We go back just a deep as Montreal and Boston, we just weren’t as good back then. Those teams just took the headlines. And that is no disrespect to the teams post 1967. I really the direction this rivalry has taken.

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