Cash Rules Everything Around Me
by McClure on Aug 5, 2010 3:57 PM CDT
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PrintDovetailing from one of the questions that was posed during the roundtable to other members of the braintrust that is the Hawks blogosphere, we now ask you the reader to submit to us in the comments moves you would make to fill out the roster using CapGeek's wonderful calculator. The page should be pretty self-explanatory to use (mostly drag-and-drop), complete with the pasteable version of your roster at the bottom of the page. Here's my roster, arranged into projected lines:
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Troy Brouwer ($1.025m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Kyle Beach ($1.170m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Jack Skille ($0.600m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m)
Nathan Davis ($0.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brian Campbell ($7.142m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Jordan Hendry ($0.600m) / Jay McKee ($0.825m)
John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
Marty Turco ($1.300m) /Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $4,157,753
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,439,090; BONUSES: $390,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $350,910
As you can see, the obvious moves of Cristobal Huet being disposed of, and Jordan Hendry coming back at his $600K hit from last year have been factored in. Additionally, a move that we've been calling for, adding Jay McKee into Brent Sopel's role in the third pair has been made, and in my opinion, Kyle Beach makes the team as they break camp. I tossed Nathan Davis into the mix just because it seems like he's been in the system forever, though no team ever has enough Rob Klinkhammer on it. All this puts the Hawks $350K under the cap to start the season, which is enough room to have a couple guys do the Rockford Shuffle as Coach Q sees fit based on production.
Post your rosters in the comments and don't hesitate to give explanations why, and for the sake of keeping things readable, don't reply with a full roster copy/paste, start a new comment thread if you've got one. It'll be interesting to see who's got the most interesting option for a depth defenseman or forward that hasn't been mentioned yet.
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i think Beach starts in the AHL
and is there for at least half the season (if not essentially all season), maybe with Rockford shuffle/I-pass mania time.
I could seem them using Scott & Hendry as the tandem extra D – extra F.
that is a team that could challenge again (though not as strong to start the year as last year)
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Confusion will be my epitaph.
by krome on Aug 5, 2010 4:22 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Agree w/ Krome...
I see Beach starting at Rockford to save at least part of his cap hit. Stalberg starts on the 2nd line, Taffe, Jessiman or Makarov starts on the 3rd line to begin the season, with Beach as a Christmas call-up for the remainder of the season assuming there are no forward injuries prior to that.
/crosses fingers and toes
Rockford Shuffle
I see both Lalonde and Beach down in the AHL for part of the year. However I believe both will be on the fast track to the bigs, so provided they don’t shit the bed well see them around xmas if not before. I also agree with Stalberg on the 2nd, his speed should work well with Hossa/Sharp.
Don't forget, we didn't have Hossa, Bolland was hurting, and Huet piddling
to start the season.
It’s all on the youngsters, just like 2 years ago. The “Jane Addams expressway” warriors!
I like Stalberg’s speed with Sharpie and dat Hossa guy. I figure that we need Makarov or Kruger to make some impact by years end, but…
I think we can count on Bickell and Dowell from what we saw last year. Bickell, Dowell, and Kopecky can be the Hanson brothers…
I figure Bolland will be babysitting 2 kids, and either Vichyssoise or Lalonde will have to be on the roster unless the McKee dream comes true.
Is Hendry signed yet?
"A new name has been chosen..."
Yes, he is. 1 year, 1-way contract for $600K
http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=271
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Aug 6, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I would
move Stalberg to the 1st or 2nd line and drop Beach to 4th line. Davis I honestly know nothing about. I was thinking more in the line of Taffe for an extra forward.
Bring up Lalonde instead of Scott. Yes, I know everyone will say we need him to deter the rough stuff on our top guys. But hard checking is what really deters and also reduces penalty minutes when compared to fighting. Add that with the fact Scott can’t skate and that’s my reasoning.
Also don’t be surprised to see Kruger come up later in the year for even more speed.
Beach on the fourth line does nobody any good
He’s only effective if he’s scoring, and in the top 9 puts him in a better spot to do that. His physicality and in all likelihood propensity to take penalties don’t wash if he’s not putting it in the back of the net.
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gotta get that cream
the more and more i see lineups the more amped i get for the season. One question tho, how much is #350 g’s for call ups and what not? is that plenty of room or less than ideal?
It’s less than the league minimum, so you can’t just call someone up without sending someone back, but that breathing room allows for a discrepancy should the player being called up have a higher NHL salary than the one being sent back.
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They could also call someone up
for a game or two and then send them back down, no?
how do injury exceptions work?
i’m still not real clear on that.
Wish list
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Do you
think it’s actually plausible that we’ll sign him? Doesn’t he have issues with staying healthy?
Ah geeeeaz, ah geeeeeez, ah geeeeez, oh crap.
He does
But who that’s left that’s within the Hawks’ budget doesn’t have some kind of issue, be it staying healthy or just not being any damn good?
McKee has played an average of 62 games per year since 2000-2001, and that’s factoring in one 23 game season. He’s about as durable as can be expected doing what he does.
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If thats the starting line-up
we have and exciting team, otherwise if they bitch…..they know nothing. Optimism my friends is key to the next season.
Ah geeeeaz, ah geeeeeez, ah geeeeez, oh crap.
i like rum...rum's good
…yeah, i just quoted Cap’n Jack Sparrow, so…
[Tornado] sirens just went off...I grabbed another beer.
but, but.....
Why’s the RUM gone?
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
by puppetmasterp on Aug 5, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with Krome about Beach starting in Rockford
but I put him in my roster along with Taffe, Lalonde & Hendry. I’m left with 572,000 in Cap space
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Troy Brouwer ($1.025m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Marian Hossa ($5.275m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Jack Skille ($0.600m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Kyle Beach ($1.170m)
Jeff Taffe ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brian Campbell ($7.142m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Jordan Hendry ($0.600m) / Shawn Lalonde ($0.773m)
John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
Marty Turco ($1.300m) /Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $4,157,753
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,437,423; BONUSES: $610,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $572,577
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
I'm all for seeing what Lalonde can do
But I worry he becomes Cam Barker Redux if he gets reduced to third pair minutes. Granted, he’s more mobile than Barks, so having a stay at home guy opposite him could/should help him, rather than having the ridiculously flat-footed combo of Sopel and Barker from last year.
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Regarding Beach...
my guess is his performance in camp will determine his slot at this point. If he shines, I doubt the organization would hesitate with him starting with the big club. Any doubts and he’s AHL bound. Should make for great competition this year. Real opportunities for young guys to make the NHL.
And did you hear the Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup?
by TrickyDickAllen on Aug 5, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I like
This is pretty much what I would have as my roster too. I like Stalberg with Bolly, and maybe Bickell or Beach instead of Skille. Seems to replicate the Bolly, Steeg, Ladd line we had in the playoffs, Stalberg takin Steegers stpot, and Beach/Bickell Ladd’s.
I refuse to spend any more time hurting my head to figure out the numbers
personally, as long as the core is there (and they are) we should be plenty fine. I’d certainly be interested in seeing McKee if he’s the sort of shot-blocker Sopel was for us. I unfortunately don’t know enough about the other bit defensemen in the league to have any sort of idea as to who would be suitable, although I do also believe that Lalonde is probably not NHL-ready yet.
I do like the way we’re looking, for the most part.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
actually, who are our other free agent options for d?
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Aug 5, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
HERE, sorted by Blocked Shots.
Mike Mottau is an intriguing option, also.
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thanks
as expected, none of them really excite me particularly. MA-Berg would be great if we wanted some improvement in the power play, but PK might be where we’d need better support this year. I only like Brendan Witt because he got hit by a car and lived to tell the tale— I’m pretty sure that’s not sufficient grounds for wanting a player on a roster.
What does Tim Kennedy bring to the table? (I know he isn’t on this list and at $1m he may not be within budget, but.)
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Aug 5, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
wait, and I just remembered Kennedy is a forward
so disregard that. It’s sad that I’ve been paying specific attention lately to what’s fallen onto scrap heaps from other teams, trying to figure out if they’d fit in with the Hawks or not, but there you go.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Aug 5, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I did not realize capgeek was that versatile
Now I see why everyone is so gaga over it. I see dead people too… (at no. 8)
"A new name has been chosen..."
But
we could’ve traded Kane & kept Buff, Steeg & possibly Ladd! That’s more important than keeping your so-called “core” together, isn’t it?
yeah, EVERYONE knows quantity > quality
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Aug 6, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Arron Asham or Tim Kennedy maybe?
Those are two names that were brought up as possible third or fourth liners that I think would be intriguing additions.
Asham is bigger than Kennedy, and being that we’ve lost some size, he might be the better option. Kennedy might not have the highest ceiling, but he is only 24, and could see time on the 2-4th lines.
Ditto for CNS
by the way
Does anyone know why Buffalo accepted Kennedy’s arbitration offer of 1 mil and then bought him out?
Ditto for CNS
They accepted the offer then waived him
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ah, that's right
Still doesn’t make sense does it? Why wouldn’t they just walk away from the arbitration ruling?
Ditto for CNS
To still maintain his rights to a certain degree, I would think.
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they can't walk away from an award of that amount
according to Mirtle
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Aug 5, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Could Kennedy
be our new Kris Versteeg w/o the mental lapses? Since he’s been bought out, I wonder if he’d like to join his old neighbor Pat Kane for a year or so. They grew up down the street from each other…but like the title sez ‘cash rules everything…’
We’ll see.
Just don't expect them to share the same cab...
by Steven Schweickert on Aug 6, 2010 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't know what was more funny,
the fact that you had an answer for my question or how flaming that cat was.
Thanks for the laugh. Good stuff.
If Tim follows in Kim's footsteps...
Would that make him a dead Kennedy?
"A new name has been chosen..."
Also Regarding the Rockford Shuffle
Which guys have two way contracts and the company iPass in hand?
any of the guys still on entry-level deals are still on two-way contracts (beach, stalberg, lalonde). i would guess makarov’s deal is also two-way. skille and bickell’s probably aren’t. dowell’s might still be. it really depends, but more than likely anyone under a million probably is (with the exception of skille).
As per capgeek
The players with two way contracts (who I think could make the club) are Stalberg, Dowell, Beach, Vishnevskiy, Lalonde, and Makarov. Check out capgeek for a full list. The players with orange salaries next to their names have two-way contracts.
I don't think two-way or one-way matters so much
the only thing it means is that guys with one-way contracts will get one salary regardless of where they play. Two-way means they get AHL money if they’re in the AHL, NHL salaries only when they’re in the NHL. But a one-way contract means the salary counts against the cap only when they’re in the NHL anyway.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Aug 6, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm unoriginal, and went with what we had:
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Troy Brouwer ($1.025m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Jack Skille ($0.600m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Jeff Taffe ($0.550m)
Robert Klinkhammer ($0.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Brian Campbell ($7.142m)
Ivan Vishnevskiy ($0.821m) / Jordan Hendry ($0.625m)
John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
Marty Turco ($1.300m) /Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $4,157,753
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $58,839,924; BONUSES: $65,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $625,076
Who is taking Sopel's place?
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
This
is what I would have posted.
I like Stalberg’s speed next to Hossa and Sharp, because of how experienced and ‘big’ in a “attention required by other team” sense they are – they should create space on the ice for stalberg. Brouwer with DDN I like because he’s still a big body who can post up in front of the net, but also has a knack for vanishing from the minds of the other team’s defensemen, as he did several times in the playoffs.
I would move skille down to the 4th line with bickell and dowell so we can have a silly concentration of ’L’s and ’e’s in one line.
perhaps have a third line of scott/bolland/beach, just for fun.
WE WANT BEACH WE WANT BEACH!
i don’t think they’ll go with both taffe and dowell anyways. but every projection is looking pretty good right now, imo.
This is exactly what I was thinking
I’m not a fan of all these rosters with Beach/Lalonde on them. No doubt they’ll see some time with the Hawks this year, but it would be better for their development to get some time in Rockford. Vishnevskiy already has the AHL experience and would do well as a puck-moving D-man on the 3rd line.
by Ban on Aug 5, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not worried...
if he’s more harm than good. If he does in fact start in Chicago, we can always send him back to Rockford.
We gave Q a pretty hard time with his line shuffling last season. And yeah, I was really irked by it, but in the grand scheme of things, that’s what the season’s for. You work out your kinks, you experiment when you can and hopefully that knowledge gained makes your team better once the playoffs come around.
By all means, have Beach fail, know exactly his weaknesses and have him work those things out if he’s not ready.
in a vaccuum
I agree with you. If he sucks, send him back and let him practice and mature some more.
What I worry about though is the chemistry aspect. With all the missing pieces from last season’s magic, I see the dynamic in the locker room being fairly malleable. Don’t need some goof coming up, causing a lot of drama, and then getting sent back to Rockford. That kind of poison can be long-lasting well after the guy is gone.
‽ ⅋ ‽
if he's that toxic
ship the guy elsewhere. We don’t need him polluting our next wave of studs.
Admittedly I don’t know if Beach is that toxic, or if he’s toxic at all for that matter. From my limited limited knowledge of him, I just see him as being a bonehead at times.
‽ ⅋ ‽
I think playing in the NHL may humble Beach quite a bit. And if he does go stupid, there are enough adults around him to put him in place.
you know
if Beach came up here, he’d be answering to Toews. I can’t say I’m worried.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Aug 7, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions
i like this a lot
one question: does it make more sense to start the year with a 21-man roster? Based on the “daily cap” notion ths might save more cap space, and the Hawks will have room to bring guys up as injuries dictate.
Best case scenario- the Haws maintain enough flexibility to add a key piece down the stretch.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
I'd switch Taffe for Makarov
I believe he signed for such a small salary on the understanding that it would get him on the team this year.
I don't know much about Makarov.
I thought I remembered reading he hadn’t exactly lit it up in the KHL, so that’s why I was leery of adding him. Cliff may be right and they only go with 21, especially since Rockford is so close.
That's fair enough
I don’t know much either, but I was under the impression he only signed for so little on the understanding that it would get him a roster space. Of course, this could be wildly inaccurate.
if anyone cares they
Have Hossa and Kopecky videos up with the cup.
Ah geeeeaz, ah geeeeeez, ah geeeeez, oh crap.
the video with Hossa & his parents
was great. His dad jumping up & down while holding the cup was adorable. Panda’s dad is awesome.
I think Kop is untouchable
His signing was part of the agreement with Hossa. If not I think he would already be gone.
you're not serious are you?
I do think the Hawks liked his versatility in the playoffs and I think they do want to keep him for his last year, but if they needed to trade him they would’ve. I’m sure Hoss recommended that they sign Kop, but if Kop is traded, Hoss will still be on this team.
Ditto for CNS
All I really
cared for was the way he hit…….when he hit that is.
I honestly thought that since he led the SCUM in hits the year prior, he would have had a bigger impact. However, he did play well in the playoffs when Ladd went down.
II Can Finally Die Happy Now!
I just don't feel like
watching another year of him “running” on his skates and falling all over the place.
Yes, go ahead Kopecky fans, rip on me.
If he's so inept
Then why did Carcillo and the other Flyers try to basically run him over every chance they got? Clearly, the guy bring something valuable to the table in order to generate that much attention…and hostility.
why does everyone hate kopecky?
i think with the loss of ladd, kopecky becomes vital. he’s got his faults, but he’s big, strong, he’s got a little flash, a little magic in his game like hoss, and he’s a mean.
Because
He is a hit or miss player. He played amazing the in playoffs, we just dont see it during the year.
by ChicagoWho?12 on Aug 5, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
fair enough
but perhaps we see more focus with an increased role.
exactly... just ask carcillo and carter about the miss
by blackhawkeyes on Aug 5, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
You mean this?
It still hasn’t gotten old.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
by cdz3210 on Aug 6, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
no no it will never get old.
Just wish it was about 10 secs longer where you could see Kops getting in his face.
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You have to post this weekly with a "Fuck You" message on Flyer web boards.
This will always be a classic!
he was effective
from just before the olympics through the playoffs. Pretty good value at the price
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
Correct me if I'm wrong...
but didn’t Kopecky get more PP time in the reg season than Ladd? I also remember him on the PP in the cup run…but not Ladd
are we talking about the same Tomas Kopecky?
Vital? Kopecky isn’t half the player that Ladd is, and if you’re expecting him to replace ladd (even a little), you’re going to be disappointed.
Kopecky has decent size, but he isn’t great on the boards, he plays the puck with his head down, and it takes him half a day to get his “hard” shot off. If he and Hoss weren’t Slovak BFFs, no one would be saying he has any Hoss-like magic to his game.
Kopecky is an alright player, he can help the hawks here and there, but with a career high of 21 points, he certainly isn’t vital.
I’m not saying that I hate Kop, but I think we’re going through a little Buff-like regular season extrapolation based on a decent playoff performance.
Ditto for CNS
I disagree that he's only half the value
I’ve loved andrew ladd since he came over from the hurricanes, but I think we’ve probably inflated his worth on this blog almost as much as we’ve deflated Kopecky’s. I feel like both players give it their all, and generally contribute. As much as we rag on the Kop hat trick, he didn’t look out of place as part of Captain and the Slovaks in the playoffs.
I just think it seems like Kop is a magnet for the anger we have over all the fan faves that are gone. But, I think realistically Kopecky can play on just about any line, while I never really see Ladd as being anywhere other than the checking line.
by blackhawkeyes on Aug 6, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
No
Didn’t like him when we got him, didn’t like him during the season and Ladd is a much better all-around player than Kopecky. Pardon my sentence form, that was also bad.
I know Ladd is a better play, but
I think we’ll have to agree to disagree. you seem dead set on your opinion, and I’m set that Kop isn’t worth only 0.5Ladd. Plus, he’s about 0.5 Ladd’s cost, which helps
by blackhawkeyes on Aug 6, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
My analysis of Kop has nothing to do with projected anger over players lost
the only reason I mention ladd is because sulleymon made the comparison.
People have a warped sense of what the Captain and the Slovaks line did in a couple of playoff games. Let me remind everyone that the line produced 0 even strength points, sure they saw a checking line and Hoss and Toews were dominant with the puck, but I don’t see what got everyone so excited. Kop looked completely out of place with Hoss and Toews in game 6 especially, he dragged those two down big time.
Kopecky was average at best for the first half to 3/4 of last year. He started to play pretty well with Fraz and Eager when the fourth line caught fire in the spring, and he had a couple of good games in the playoffs (game 6 of the Vancouver series and game 1 of the SC finals come to mind). Taking those good games and extrapolating a 40 point year for Kop is a possible but not probable. I just hope that if Kop isn’t getting it done that Q will give Stalberg/Bickell/Skille/Beach a shot with Sharp and Hoss.
I’m sure Kop will see some time with Sharp and Hoss this coming year, and that’s fine, but I’m not putting too many eggs in the “Kop will help us replace some of the scoring that we lost” basket.
Ditto for CNS
But in rewatching the games
I noticed there were times that line did not score but did something I felt directly led to scores during the following shift.
Yes and more
I think one time they were on the ice so long with puck control that it later forced Philly to use their fourth line in a situation in which they would not have and we scored against that fourth line combo.
I think Kop
is a solid player who can’t be judged only by how many goals or points he contributed, which is how a lot of people seem to judge his play, but by his overall contribution. Like Stanfordron stated above, he may not score a bunch of points, but he does do other things that benefit the team, and he is capable of playing on any line at times which makes him even more valuable.
Kop just seems to have gotten a bad rap as the whipping boy of Hawks fans everywhere because it seems like he is Panda’s bitch and was only signed because Panda put out a good word for him, and I’ll be the first to admit that I talk as much shit about that Slovak as anyone, but he does bring something important to the team that is hard to measure.
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sure
that’s what happens when Toews and Hoss are on the ice, but lumping Kopecky into that intangible quality is not something I would do. In rewatching game 6, did you not notice kopecky as the weak link out there? Kop has the jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none thing going for him; he’s versatile to a point. You can put him on any line and he won’t kill you, but he won’t excel at any one thing either.
Ditto for CNS
Exactly
You have said what I haven’t been able to put into words.
It’s kind of like going to a strip club; you know your gonna see many beautiful women but you won’t be able to touch any of them.
Or maybe it’s just my 5 New Castle Brown Ales talking.
I really don't hate him
I just don’t get Kop love though, he really doesn’t excel in anything, and I think some people are a bit too excited about him based on a couple decent games in the playoffs while neglecting his substandard play for the first 1/2+ of the regular season.
Is he a solid puck winner? No
Is he a sniper, does he pick corners, have a quick shot, or a good one-timer? No, he has a good hard wrist shot that he gets on net, he’ll probably force some rebounds
Is he a big hitter? No
Is he a net presence? Sometimes
Is he a playmaker, is he a good passer with vision? No
Is he an energy guy, that will give you 10 or so pure hustle minutes? No
Is he a good shot blocker? Meh
Is he good on the backcheck? He’s ok here
I think Kop could easily have a career year up with Sharp and Hoss, but that doesn’t necessarily make him the best option as many guys up with Sharp and Hoss could have career years. I’d like to see Kop with Bolland on the third line and see how he does there.
I know CNS likes Kop, perhaps I should change my signature.
Ditto for CNS
I don't think anyone thinks he's going to bust out with 30 goals this season
I just think he’s good for the price we paid, and he can be more physical than most of the skill guys. I agree that he can be hit and miss, but no one expects him to make up for versteeg, buff, and ladds points. Everyone will have to step it up from czaptain on down, and I think they can do it
by blackhawkeyes on Aug 6, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed there
The scoring losses will need to be made up in a few ways:
Bolland needs to come back with a 40-50 point year.
Hoss needs to stay healthy and put up 70 points.
It’d be nice to see Toews crack the 70 point mark.
We’ll probably need at least 1 rookie or unexpected 30 point forward.
TBrouw will need another 20 goal season. etc
The biggest thing for the 10-11 hawks will be staying healthy. They easily overcame injuries when they occurred last year because the team was so deep. Injuries will hurt this year’s team a lot more, so hopefully we can avoid anything major.
Ditto for CNS
Kop
is just a journeyman, and will be gone after this year, when we also will lament that Brouwer will be a cap hit in order to sign Seabrook to the money he will be due which will be at least another million a year. Next year won’t be as dramatic as this year, but we get to play the cap game for quite a few more years. Assuming it stays around the same level, the only thing that would save us is if we end up with lower bonus hits – which would mean a less successful season.
The key to this season is the kids. If they don’t work out, we are in trouble. And it will make losing Brouwer and Kop even more painful.
I'm Lloyd Pettit's love child!
Ha
reading these comments, I kept thinking about your sig and CNS’ Kop-love.
I can’t decide if we’re gonna get “useless fucking Kopecky” or the guy who emerged down the stretch.
My gut says it’ll be the latter- still no Ladd though.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
Replace CNS with Badgerdano
I generally agree with your thoughts including what you wrote about Kop. I’m no Kop hater either, but I certainly don’t think he’s much more than average. I hope he proves me wrong and we all saw some improvement after the Olympics but I doubt we’ll see much more than what he’s shown so far.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal.
Does it really matter if we try to put lines together?
With the high amount of turnover, I’m predicting that Coach Q will put at least 50 line combinations out on the ice by December.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
I'm calling Bolland's line "The Baby sitter" line...
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Troy Brouwer ($1.025m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Igor Makarov ($0.552m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Jack Skille ($0.600m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m)
Marcus Kruger ($0.735m)
DEFENSEMEN
Duncan Keith ($5.538m) / Brent Seabrook ($3.500m)
Brian Campbell ($7.142m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Ivan Vishnevskiy ($0.821m) / Shawn Lalonde ($0.773m)
John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
Marty Turco ($1.300m) /Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $4,157,753
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,225,757; BONUSES: $285,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $459,243
"A new name has been chosen..."
For better or worse I agree
This kid Igor Makarov re-signed with the hawk with the understanding he will see alot of time with the big club otherwise he was heading to Russia for some vodka….or something like that
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
by ccm on Aug 5, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Is he in the Ketel One club?
Nyet? something about the guy… he’s got something to prove.
"A new name has been chosen..."
i don’t think there’s any way that kruger’s an extra forward. it would do nothing but stunt his development. it’s far better for him to be playing top line minutes in rockford than sitting in the press box.
Good point, but there's probably going to be some youngster in that slot
Missing good minutes in Rockford
"A new name has been chosen..."
Hmm
I really don’t like the idea of putting Kopper on the 4th line. It wasn’t until the Olympic break, when he got to play with some high quality talent that his game jumped up 50 notches. After the Olympics, and playing with Sharp/Hossa, the guy really stepped it up and proved he deserved his spot on the team.
There were times he was running circles around people with the puck and I could have sworn it was Hossa. Don’t break Sharpie and the slovaks up.
I see your point.
Kop is kind of an enigma… Sometimes he can be really amazing.
I’m going to start a band and call it: Sharpie and the Slovaks… = Chemistry
"A new name has been chosen..."
Sounds like a 50's band,
Ladies & Gentlemen, put your hands together for the band that has been lighting up the Eastern block hot 100, Sharpie & the Slovaaaaaaaaksssssss! (add guitar intro riff here)
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This is how i see it. Also didnt want to dig through stats for Dmen so i went with an amusing idea.
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Marian Hossa ($5.275m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m)
Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Bryan Bickell ($0.541m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Troy Brouwer ($1.025m)
Kyle Beach ($1.170m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Jack Skille ($0.600m)
Hugh Jessiman ($0.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brian Campbell ($7.142m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Chris Chelios ($0.550m) / Jordan Hendry ($0.625m)
John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
Marty Turco ($1.300m) /Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $4,157,753
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,189,090; BONUSES: $390,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $600,910
hmmm
is there a way we can roenick’s name on the cup?
Put him in the ahl. Bring him up on a stanley cup winning team in one playoff game and get him a goal. Then put him right back down.
by KindofaBigDeal on Aug 5, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Chelly and hendry ahahahah
Would maybe give up 2 goals a night lol
Chelios wants nothing to do with Chicago he’s trying to sell his 6.5 million dollar house in Oakbrook he is done just waiting to go to the hall.
by ChicagoWho?12 on Aug 5, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
well maybe
he could be an Ambassador on his nights off and we could pair him with Scott that should be shut down.
by KindofaBigDeal on Aug 5, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe if he had shed a few tears also,
he wouldn’t have to wait so long ;p
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NHL 11
This is almost identical to the NHL 2011 Franchise I am playing right now on X-Box minus Beach. Cheli can still give you a solid 10 mins a night in fantasy land!
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I like these pairings a lot!
How do you match up against this? Top 3 lines have some serious fire power. And speed everywhere!
Beach is a big issue.
This kid is a stud and thats all i have been hearing. Teams passed him up because he was a little crazy but that can be controlled. I dont think that it can be controlled in the AHL. Being up with the big boys and guys that can control him will exactly what he needs. He is a young raw talent and he needs buys around him that are going to help him become the player that a lot of people think he will be. I also think that we will be on line 2 or 3. Him and Stalburg are going to be teh two players to watch this year because i think that they are going to be studs and make a lot of noise in the NHL. We have a lot of young and exciting players on this team and it is going to be a very fun season. We are going to see a lot of fun new faces this year and im excited.
Just to bad we had to get rid of Huet. He was a stud ahahaha well worth the money
totally agree
it’s going to be fun. i can’t wait either.
Igor Makarov
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
by ccm on Aug 5, 2010 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope being around the fantastic players helps Stalberg. I have a friend who lives in Toronto and he told me that he had great speed but tended to lose interest when not around the puck.
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the TO blog also mentioned that his stick handling isn’t that great. If he figures that out, he could be a very dangerous player, considering his speed.
If I recall correctly
stickhandling isn’t easy to learn after a certain age, unlike things like faceoffs, etc. Though I could be wrong.
that's exactly
the Toronto fan base/team perspective.
Don't forget
he got real skitish after getting that big hit. For the life of me I can’t remember the guys name that hit him. I think his last name begins with a V, and the hit wasn’t all that bad. At least it didn’t look like it, but the word was that after that he kind of played with his tail between his legs if you know what I mean.
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volchenkov?
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
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by chiblackhawks on Aug 6, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
That could very well be the one.
Check out the hit on UTube. Seriously, it doesn’t look that bad, nowhere near like Mitchell’s hit on Toews. IMO
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With the talent around Stalberg
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he won the Calder Trophy. If he sticks on the line with Hossa and Sharp, he is going to have every opportunity to score a lot of points.
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Ineligible
He played 40 games last year. The threshold is 25 games played for him still to be considered a rookie this year.
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Things have changed forever, we're the Ramblin' Boys of Pleasure
Plus he should learn
how to play better defense and learn how to back check if he’s on that line.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
Especially given his goonery in dev camp,
I’m not entirely sure that Beach is going to be a good thing. All the talent in the world doesn’t help if you take penalties like Carcillo-on-speed and ruin the chemistry in the locker room.
Plus I still bear a grudge at him for taking out Olimb, who was looking promising.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Aug 6, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Olimb
promising? as in he might one day get 5 minutes of ice time per game?
The couple of scouting reports I saw
had him as smallish and more of a play-maker than a scoring type, but he’d done PPG sort of things in the SEL, and he had two assist for Norway in the Olympics.
He’s also a center, from one of our more meagre supply. Since we only had him on a 1-yr contract (presumably to try him out and see if we were still interested, since he’s a old for an NHL rookie), it was discouraging to see Beach sideline him for 4 months.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Aug 6, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I think everyone likes Morin more than Olimb
Younger, potentially more talented, bigger, a scoring type who can function as playmaker, demonstrated leadership potential, etc.
Not that Morin isn’t awesome, but since we were talking about Beach above and Beach didn’t take him out in training camp, I didn’t really have a reason hold a grudge on his behalf. Olimb is a guy who we likely won’t get to see to his potential, whether he’d have made the big league or not, because of a boneheaded dev camp fight. I do blame Beach for not being able to hold his temper there.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Aug 6, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I totally agree!
There’s a time and place for everything, and when Beach pulled that, it was neither the time or place. I can see putting people in there place if they challenge you, but come on everyone there is trying to show they belong or at least have the potential to belong. Beach already had a head start in that department because of how a draft choice he was. There was no call to hurt another player from your own organization just because you want to back up your manliness to a newbie.
Beach should have smacked / shoved Olimb around a little, and I’m sure the message would have been received just as well, I really don’t see how Beach could have felt threatened by Olimb at all, therefore it was just a case of I’m the big boy around here, and nobody is gonna’ steal my spotlight.
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did anyone actually see the fight, or get a first-hand account of it?
Otherwise we’re all simply speculating on what might have occurred.
There's video of it on youtube
Olimb didn’t manage to get his gloves off, even by the time the “fight” had finished.
boy...
that was one of the most dickish moves I’ve ever seen.
then again
the accident was freakish as it seemed Olimb fell down awkward (it wasn’t Beach’s powerful jabs that did the damage). Also, Olimb was really jawing at Beach after that first altercation.
It’s hockey (the part that doesn’t interest me much). Boys will fight and all you can hope for is a clean exchange in where neither player gets hurt.
Plenty of people were there at procpect camp
I didn’t see the first fight with Olimb but I saw the second. I didn’t think it was called for and it really makes me question Beach’s judgement. I’m not at all comfortable with Beach in the big leagues for us. If he can’t get his act together in the AHL, why on earth would we risk giving him a place on our NHL team?
eh…
Olimb should shut-up if he doesn’t want the wrath of a bigger player on him. Hopefully it was a lesson learned for him and for Beach.
So it was Olimb's fault?
Beach is a strong, big player and can’t be expected to control himself? That sounds like the arguments used to defend Ovie when he boarded Soupy.
He was an invite to camp, wasn’t he? I doubt he was destined for the line-up. Could’ve been, of course, but I think it was a pretty big long shot.
www.mjt.org
Yeah he was invited,
but like you said I don’t see him with the big club this year either unless the shit really hits the fan. We’ll probably have to wait another year or two before his presence is felt in any type of significant manner. Hell of a player though!
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Deep thoughts from a shallow pond
I’ll toss mine out there, then I suppose I’ll have some splainin to do
FORWARDS
Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Bryan Bickell ($0.541m)
Troy Brouwer ($1.025m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Jack Skille ($0.600m)
Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Kyle Beach ($1.170m)
Igor Makarov ($0.552m)
DEFENSEMEN
Duncan Keith ($5.538m) / Brent Seabrook ($3.500m)
Brian Campbell ($7.142m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Jordan Hendry ($0.600m) / Shawn Lalonde ($0.773m)
John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
Marty Turco ($1.300m) /Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $4,157,753
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,439,923; BONUSES: $610,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $570,077
Going with what is here. Call the Makarov thing a hunch. I’m not the biggest Beach fan, but he’s gonna have to produce at some point. You could swap Vishnevskiy for Lalonde but I feel Ivan might need more seasoning.
Along with Vishnevskiy, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Kruger, Jessiman, Cullimore and even Leddy with the big club at some point.
Can’t disagree with the McKee idea, but I still think Wellwood would be a good 4th line center. A little pricey, tho.
Beer. Now there's a temporary solution.
I like the Bickell
I like what i saw in the playoffs they played good together and give them the whole year i think they can start clicking
by ChicagoWho?12 on Aug 5, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Pretty nice but a few comments
Vishnevskiy has WAY more seasoning in the AHL than Lalonde does. Way more. He’ll probably start on the 3rd pair unless he stinks it up at camp. Same goes for Beach concerning experience. I like everyone else you’ve got penciled in though. Don’t really agree with the lines but the players are there.
by Ban on Aug 5, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't get all the Lalonde predictions
Really, the guy is going to start the season on the big club? That seems awfully premature, don’t you think? I haven’t heard anything about him being at the same skill level (so far) that Kane and Toews were when they were drafted – maybe a Rockford shuttle guy, but I don’t know about making the big club at the outset.
Lalonde also has basically zero seasoning.
In fact, he’s played less in the AHL than Viz has.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Aug 6, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Hawks are going to take
the better player. Camp will dictate whether Vish or LaLonde will be a better fit on the big club.
Having said that, I do think LaLonde is better off starting the season in the AHL.
I'm not so sure about that
They did just win the cup. The way I see it, they can afford to wait a bit instead of rushing Lalonde and potentially crippling his development. Of course if the coaching staff truly believes he’s ready for the NHL, then it’s a different story.
by Ban on Aug 6, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw two panels at the convention about player development
and the staff kept emphasizing that the most dangerous thing you can do to young talent is call them up before they’re ready. I think they’re committed to taking the time developing players, and I just don’t see them using any of these kids as starters when they haven’t even had much experience at the AHL level. It’s not good for the players, and it’s definitely not good for the team’s long-term development.
Coach Q just emailed me this ok
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Troy Brouwer ($1.025m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Kyle Beach ($1.170m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Jack Skille ($0.600m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m)
Jeff Taffe ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brian Campbell ($7.142m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Jordan Hendry ($0.600m) / Shawn Lalonde ($0.773m)
Ivan Vishnevskiy ($0.821m)
GOALTENDERS
Marty Turco ($1.300m) /Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $4,157,753
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,746,590; BONUSES: $610,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $263,410
This one is my favorite so far
the only change I would make is having Lalonde start in Rockford with Vish in his place and John Scott being the 7th d-man. Otherwise, I really like the line combos you suggest.
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Jordan Hendry just signed
1 year for $600,000.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
Link
http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=271
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
Kool Beanz
I had just asked if he had signed yet earlier… am I psychotic?
"A new name has been chosen..."
After reading some of your comments on here
I’m willing to bet that you are closer to psychotic than psychic.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
whoops
just saw this after i responded to your question way up there.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Aug 6, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh good.
One less defenseman to worry about.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Aug 6, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Revised Roster
Since we’re playing GM, I decided to trade Campbell to Philadelphia for Andrej Meszaros & Matt Walker.
Read it and Weep
FORWARDS
Troy Brouwer ($1.025m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Jack Skille ($0.600m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Kyle Beach ($1.170m)
/ / Igor Makarov ($0.552m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Jordan Hendry ($0.600m) / Ivan Vishnevskiy ($0.821m)
Matt Walker ($1.700m)
GOALTENDERS
Marty Turco ($1.300m) /Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $4,157,753
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $57,532,882; BONUSES: $390,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,257,118
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
Let me be clear...
LOL – on the Matt “one punch” Walker
Must admit some envy when Philly scored Meszaros
"A new name has been chosen..."
I'm not psychotic
I’m delusional or maybe dementia or senility is setting in. I can’t remember.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
If you notice,
I have Walker in as the 7th D-Man. Andrej Meszaros would be the key to this deal. I think he’s someone that has a lot of potential if he was on a talented team (He’s been on Tampa Bay the last 2 seasons)
Anyway, this trade would add an additional 1.7 million for next year’s Cap.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
$1.7m for a #7 defenseman
is a very bad use of the cap, imo. If Sopel was overpaid as a #5 Dman, Walker at #7 is DEFINITELY out of the question.
Then Walker can be sent to Rockford or bought out
If Campbell is ever traded, we are going to have to take back a crap contract or two and in my dreamworld Walker is it.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
I was thinking of sending Campbell and Beach
to Toronto for Kaberle and some guy named Versteeg.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
lol matt walker
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Aug 6, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Fun game
Every time you see/hear Matt Walker’s name, just say “Matt Walker” in the same manner as “Matt Damon” from Team America. It makes thinking about him much less painful.
hilariously enough
the image that pops to mind whenever I see his name is of Sportsgal calling it in this really funny tone from when we watched the Lightning game last December.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Aug 6, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
no idea
last I heard, she got a boyfriend. and a job. I guess those things tend to be distractions from the real important things in life. Like SCH and pantsless internet friends.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
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by chiblackhawks on Aug 6, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
OK, here we go
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Troy Brouwer ($1.025m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Jack Skille ($0.600m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Igor Makarov ($0.552m)
Jeff Taffe ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Brian Campbell ($7.142m)
Ivan Vishnevskiy ($0.821m) / Shawn Lalonde ($0.773m)
/ John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
Marty Turco ($1.300m) /Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $4,157,753
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,040,757; BONUSES: $285,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $644,243
I want Bouwer on the top line again with T&K. The stars seemed to be aligning with him there earlier last season and I really think he can hit the 30-goal plateau. He could be the key to a more consistent PP with his size and willingness to take a beating in front of the net.
OK, rip me for Kopecky on the 2nd line but I feel with the innate ability of the Hoss with him since the Olympics, makes him better. It could be just a brain fart but it seems like he has an edge about him with Hoss out there. Now couple in the fact that both Sharpie and Hoss are great 2-way players, this makes for one of the better 2nd lines in the NHL. Oh, and don’t forget these guys as part of a PK especially if the PK they’re doing is because DK or Seabs is in the box.
I’m gunning for Stalberg to be the 3rd liner with “The Rat”. Skille on the right side where he knows he has something to prove (50% salary cut…) and could be the diamond in the rough. What else can be said about Bolland other than it seems like he can play with anyone. From his spirit of 76 line in 08-09 to his constantly harassing the Sedin sisters and Jumbo-Joe-Blow, he’s the ideal 3rd line centre and PK’er.
I’ve always like to think Bickell and Dowell could play great together in the NHL. I wanna see Dowell step up and play centre. Centre has been a bug-a-boo for the ‘Hawks for way too long. Bickell has the size and intensity to match up against some other teams top lines, and the wild card could be moving Scott into that line too if they need some nastiness. That’s why I have him as my 7th D-man. Makarov mainly for his lower salary is a guy I think that can be an interchangeable part across the 4th line, maybe even the 3rd line.
Taffe is the complete ass-pull for nothing more than the 13th forward and low cap hit. We could probably put 4-5 other sub $650k guys in that slot throughout the season.
OK, everyone and their mother will have the same top-4 defencemen unless they’re a complete and utter waste of a carbon life form & rabid consumer of Oxygen or Canucks fan. Like I mentioned earlier, Scott is my 7th defencemen. That’s a variable, in order to move him in [also] as a possible the 13th forward or be the guy to pound the living shit out of douche’bags like Alexis Burrows.
I want to see what Lalonde and Vishnevskiy can do with the club. Lalonde has shown a lot of growth the last year plus and we all know Stan parted ways with Laddy to get former 1st-rounder Vishnevskiy along with the 2nd rounder next summer.
On the goaltending, duh…. it’s Turco backed up by Corey-I-hope-to-finally-prove-I-can-play-in-the-NHL-nets-Crawford.
There’s my 22. I’m using the bonus cushion only because I don’t have a clue how it really, really, really, REALLY works. So this gives me $644k of cap space.
OH, and did I mention there are 62 days until the season opener ?! ?!
Just win the next game...!
I still don't see Laldonde
Now that Hendry has been signed. Other than that, I pretty much think this is how we will start, still not sure if Beach starts here or in Rockford
2009-2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Chicago Blackhawks
The season ended 58 days ago
We’re basically halfway through summer. Is it sad that I’m seriously looking forward to the preseason games just to get some hockey action?
Na I feel the same
I’ve been rushing summer for a while now. Since I hate heat and humidity, bring on Fall and some pre-season to get ready for game 1!
2009-2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Chicago Blackhawks
My banner-raising roster
FORWARDS
Marian Hossa ($5.275m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Bryan Bickell ($0.541m)
Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m)
Jack Skille ($0.600m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Troy Brouwer ($1.025m)
Hugh Jessiman ($0.500m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m)
Jeff Taffe ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brian Campbell ($7.142m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Jordan Hendry ($0.600m) / Aaron Ward ($1.000m)
Ivan Vishnevskiy ($0.821m)
GOALTENDERS
Marty Turco ($1.300m) /Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,302,424; BONUSES: $65,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $162,576
Two significant differences. First: the signing of Aaron Ward (not a flashy guy, but still a very reliable penalty killer a la Catfish, and a great veteran presence, which I still think you can’t get enough of), and I think he’s more generally serviceable than Jay McKee, who’d be my second pick.
Second: I have Jessiman on the fourth line, Eager’s substitute (fast, violent, can pot a goal now and again, if however inconsistently); and there’s Taffe waiting in the wings for whenever he (or Skille or Stalberg) makes a few too many mistakes in a row. Both Taffe and Jessiman are versatile re position, which I think Q will like quite a bit.
We’ve lost some skill in the depth positions, let’s face facts. So maybe some size and a more tenacious forecheck make up for that absence.
www.mjt.org
I like it, except...
Your leftover cap space means that no one can get injured. Swap Viz’s salary at 7th D for someone in the $500-$650 range, and you’d fix that somewhat, though.
Ward is intriguing, and I agree about the vet presence and need therefore. McClure has McKee at about $200k cheaper though, which is a consideration.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Aug 6, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m not too concerned with the dollar figures, as they quickly become a pure guess when you’re adding someone not in the line-up, McKee or Ward or otherwise. The advantage with McKee is his age, but with the injuries both seem to collect, I kind of think of them as the same player. so ya, lop 150 grand off of Ward’s total, add 50 grand to McKee … same presence.
www.mjt.org
Jim Kelly - SI "Inside the NHL" on Niemi
“It’s possible that Niemi would be left off any roster come the start of training camp.”
Not to revisit a sad decision from which we’ve all moved on, but if you are Antti Niemi, how pissed are you at your agent right now?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/jim_kelley/08/05/modano/index.html?xid=cnnbin&hpt=Sbin
It is starting to look like the music stopped, and Niemi is not by the last chair...
I don’t see any good fits left, except maybe the Islanders (based on Dipietro’s health). Everyone’s got 2 goalies signed, and you can’t eat contracts in the NHL.
"A new name has been chosen..."
Horrible News for Hockey
http://cw.topnews.in/content/21699-government-derecognizes-hockey-india
The government of India has derecognized (whatever the hell that means) their hockey team. This is crushing news for India’s Gold Medal chances in Sochi.
19-88-81-2-7-10-36-4-51 : The Hawks
*Insert politically incorrect joke here*
Insert apology here
by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 6, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
can hockey fans everywhere...
derecognize India’s sovereignty? That’ll teach them.
I'm all for them
becoming part of the British Empire again. I can only imagine how cheap tea would be in that scenario.
Is it wrong
for me to say that I would very be happy for all the pretty Indian women to come to America?
um
no
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
by puppetmasterp on Aug 8, 2010 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions
i was waiting for some sort of backlash here
even in jest, the idea that cheap tea is worth an occasional black hole of Calcutta…
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
Wow, I hadn't heard about that
Though I’m pretty certain that the prevailing view in Britain was that the trade-off was worth it, sadly.
Oh, and fwiw
I was assuming a peaceful takeover with no slaughters or Company rule or massive, country-spanning hedge or anything.
I should probably stop typing now, huh?
hey, i know when i'm being baited
but since i was obligated to some sort of response, i made it short and to the point.
assholes.
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
by puppetmasterp on Aug 9, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
plus i was really busy and tired this weekend
so the short response was all i had time for
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
by puppetmasterp on Aug 9, 2010 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
ah, then my mistake
i suspected it from Germware. but i guess i’ll know for sure when Germware wakes up in a few hours and reads this.
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
by puppetmasterp on Aug 9, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I like everything I've seen so far.
Am I the only one who looks at these lineups after the Capocalypse and says “that wasn’t as bad as I thought it was going to be?” I think I’m going to miss cheering for the guys that are gone more than I’m going to miss their contributions to the team.
Anyways, this is what I’ve come up with, provided Beach breaks camp. Maybe with Lalonde as a mid year call up?
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Kyle Beach ($1.170m)
Troy Brouwer ($1.025m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Jack Skille ($0.600m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m)
/ Jeff Taffe ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brian Campbell ($7.142m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Jordan Hendry ($0.600m) / Ivan Vishnevskiy ($0.821m)
John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
Marty Turco ($1.300m) /Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $4,157,753
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,485,757; BONUSES: $390,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $304,243
This really isn't as bad as I thought it would be either.
Every year we’ve had guys come in and fill in as role players. Two years ago Versteeg came “out of nowhere.” (It’s in quotation marks because I didn’t see it coming but I’m sure other people did.) Last year Hammer played very well for us, and this year we have lots of prospects to get excited about. This really won’t be so bad.
by warrenjm2006 on Aug 6, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Am I the only one who looks at these lineups after the Capocalypse and says "that wasn’t as bad as I thought it was going to be?"
I think that might have been the point of this whole post, actually: to get everyone to talk themselves down off the ledge. McClure is clever like a fox.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Aug 6, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing
Suggestion:
Next, let’s compare our rosters to our western foes, such as Canucks, Sharks, SCUM, etc.
I predict this will get everyone clear of the ledge. It will also get the “Treacherous Twat” closer to the ledge…
Just sayin’.
"A new name has been chosen..."
I see this the Hawks winning the Central again this year
and an even brighter future ahead of that. I mean, in 2011 we’ll have some cap room to play with again AND we’ll have a better idea of what we have with Beach, Lalonde, Morin, etc. If even one of those guys plays up to potential, this team has a scary good future.
And if I ever get nostalgic, Atlanta’s only a few hours away.
by StillLostinNC on Aug 6, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
LaLonde isn’t even our top defensive prospect.
Hawks will have a difficult time winning the Central again this year. It’s an improved division for the most part. For example, St. Louis will get much better with Alex Pietrangelo making the bigs and Halak in goal.
The Hawks do have an insanely bright future if their minor league system keeps pumping in the talent in the coming years, however.
I don't know if he's better
but Vishnevskiy is closer to NHL-ready. He’s already played a few AHL seasons & a couple of NHL games. Lalonde has only played in 8 AHL games. Of course, how they play in camp will seal their fate, but I’d be surprised if we saw Lalonde before Vish.
Thats what
I thought you were thinking. Sounds rational but I do hope that they both work out to be able to play for the hawks this season. Then in a couple years Leddy will be bigger and ready also. Haven’t been this excited about our defense since we had the dynamic American trio of Chelios, Suter and Carney.
Here's what I came up with.
Looked for affordable, experienced UFA’s to try and compensate for the experience we lost. Mottau on D and Asham up front seemed affordable and would actually add something skill wise. Went with Jessiman as the extra forward out of camp just because I like the name (Did you say that guys name was Huge Specimen? Bet he’s popular with the ladies!)
Personally I would feel pretty good starting the season with a line up like this and it leaves lots of room for manuevers during the course of the season. Boy, that Turco signing really gives us a lot of flexibility with the cap.
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Troy Brouwer ($1.025m)
Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Arron Asham ($0.640m)
Jack Skille ($0.600m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Bryan Bickell ($0.541m)
Hugh Jessiman ($0.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brian Campbell ($7.142m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Jordan Hendry ($0.600m) / Mike Mottau ($0.762m)
/ John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
Marty Turco ($1.300m) /Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $4,157,753
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $58,845,757; BONUSES: $65,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $619,243
"Life is a long lesson in humility."
- James M. Barrie
I think I preferred when ...
we had ?? playing a lot of different positions than these actual guys. Maybe they’ll put they can put that on the backs of all these kids so I won’t know who to blame when i have my apopletic fit.
by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 6, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
i should have majored in GM'ing in college
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Troy Brouwer ($1.025m)
Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Bryan Bickell ($0.541m)
Jack Skille ($0.600m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Kyle Beach ($1.170m)
Igor Makarov ($0.552m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brian Campbell ($7.142m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Jordan Hendry ($0.600m) / Christoph Schubert ($0.950m)
John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
Marty Turco ($1.300m) /Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $4,157,753
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,616,590; BONUSES: $390,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $173,410
I believe we're giving up Liszt, Grieg and a composer to be named later.
"Life is a long lesson in humility."
- James M. Barrie
by nextgame on Aug 6, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
I hear many are high on Rimsky-Korsakov
But I hope we keep him (If only for the comedic value of the name).
{BTW – thanks for the recs people. there aint no feeling like being greened.}
"Life is a long lesson in humility."
- James M. Barrie
I hoped someone would make the joke
but wasn’t sure if anyone would. I’m sorry I ever doubted you, SCH.
I rec'd.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
(Tweets @ChiBlackhawks and blogs at Blackhawks Down Low.)
by chiblackhawks on Aug 6, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Yet another group of people SCH has in its ginormous family...
The band/orchestra geeks… Recd
Oddly enough I don't play an instrument
and obviously never played in an orchestra or band.
Just picked up a love of music in general, and classical music and opera in particular, from my mom and uncle growing up and it’s stayed with me to this day.
{Don’t get the wrong idea though. Can’t count the times as a teen that mom told me to “turn that noise down” while I was head banging in my room listening to Sabbath, AC/DC, Scorpions, etc. Love that music to this day too.}
"Life is a long lesson in humility."
- James M. Barrie
Speaking of music, any punk fans out there?
One of the best bands ever from Chicago is a little know band called Pegboy.
Great name, even better band.
I always wanted to start a punk band that did "Elvis" covers
… and name it “Straining at Stool”.
"A new name has been chosen..."
What about The Smoking Popes?
Or you could go earlier and discuss Material Issue, the band that should have gotten all the attention that went instead to the Smashing Pumpkins.
Valerie Loves Me
Good call! Not that it matters one way or another but do I remember correctly that the lead singer killed himself?
Yeah, the Pumpkins hitched a ride with the grunge movement yet were a different sound. I remember the first time I heard them I was going to Western IL U and listeningto to their track on the Singles Soundtrack.
Interesting enough, Pegboy had their start around then and I didn’t have a clue who they were. It was all Janes, Alice and Dinosaur Jr. for me back then.
Yeah, he gassed himself in his garage
And all over a failed breakup – he wrote a lot of songs about relationships, who knew how personal it really was to him. Unbearably sad, it still sucks to think about it, what a waste. Never got a chance to really listen to Dinosaur, heard that they were pretty good. Those were the days – spent way too much time down at the Double Door in Bucktown, but saw a lot of great bands.
Hope you had a chance
to check out some shows at the Fireside Bowl before they stopped having bands play there about 7 years back. Tiny and dingy but it was my favorite. Actually got to see bands like Alkaline Trio play there when they first started.
So wait...
Why do you have Keith and Campbell together. Their puck moving skills seem better split with Keith/Seabs and Soup/Hammer.
Do I get bonus points for a 23 man roster?
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Troy Brouwer ($1.025m)
Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / Jack Skille ($0.600m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Jeremy Morin ($0.977m)
Igor Makarov ($0.552m) / Jeff Taffe ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brian Campbell ($7.142m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Jordan Hendry ($0.600m) / Shawn Lalonde ($0.773m)
John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
Marty Turco ($1.300m) /Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $4,157,753
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,796,590; BONUSES: $497,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $100,910
No offense intended.
I realize we’re just playing around with these combinations, but I think we’d have a difficult time even making the playoffs with that roster.
"Life is a long lesson in humility."
- James M. Barrie
The only difference between his and others
was Morin. I still think Lalonde will be seasoned in AHL. Same with Morin. I think he has at least 1 or 2 years there before being call up but I’m excited to see what he has to bring.
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Chicago Blackhawks
what?
As Jrs says, his roster is like 2 players different than most. How could that possibly be the difference between making the playoffs and not?
Ditto for CNS
Mainly it was the bottom half of forwards in this particular line up that made me double clutch.
That 2 player difference results in very week 3rd & 4th lines in my opnion. I just see too much inexperience & reduced skill level in both bottom lines plus the fill-ins, taken as a whole, to expect them to contribute much on a consistent basis in this group:
Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / Jack Skille ($0.600m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Jeremy Morin ($0.977m)
Igor Makarov ($0.552m) / Jeff Taffe ($0.550m)
I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect 2 lines to carry the team the entire season and into the playoffs. Most of the other lineups offer 3 lines that could be expected to contribute on a consistent basis. But that’s just my take on it. There is an outside chance that my assesment is wrong. Maybe guys like Stalberg, Kopecky, Skille and Bickell will step up and have break out seasons.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just some idiot making random comments on a hockey blog. Besides, I thought we were doing this just for fun. When I get that job in the Hawks front office I’ll expect my ramblings to be taken more seriously.
"Life is a long lesson in humility."
- James M. Barrie
I understand your reasons
and all I was saying is it was really only 2 players different. Granted there is a drop off from Morin on that line to say Beach or someone else. I’ve seen plenty of people say Lalonde. I’m only saying with what you posted is there really is only 1 player different. I didn’t look at his back ups till you just posted it here. WHo really knows, it’s all fun with it. I haven’t even posted mine yet.
However I just didn’t agree with you on the chance of missing the playoffs with those and the bottom 2 lines. We all know Q will thow the line generator but see your point with how we could move up Stalberg or Bickell to another line.
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Saying we might miss the playoffs probably was a little over the top.
But it did take 95 pts. to make it to the post season in the west last year. I’m pretty sure that team could make that total, but it might take more than 95 to make it this season. The competition’s going to be pretty tough.
I just can’t wait to get back to it. Enough of this let’s pretend crap already. I want Hawks hockey! Now!
"Life is a long lesson in humility."
- James M. Barrie
the reason it was confusing
is because you said “roster” instead of line configuration. The line setup as the basis for your reasoning makes more sense than the overall roster dictating the logic behind that statement.
Ditto for CNS
I agree that the line configuration is a little screwy
But we all know that no forward in Q’s lineup is pinned on any one line. Personally, I’m high on Morin, and I think Vish will make the team over Lalonde. It was more of an exercise to see if I could get 23 men on the roster.
But like nextgame says, we’re idiots making comments on a hockey blog. I just enjoy having fun with it.
by warrenjm2006 on Aug 6, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Points for trying to get Bolly back to center, but...
Those bottom two forward lines are the stuff of nightmares. Two rookie centers, on lines with only one vet (Kopecky, a decent but not outstanding player himself, when he isn’t tripping over his own feet) across the six players is not a pleasant scenario.
You’re also out of cap space to move people around to Rockford. This is solved if you drop the 23rd man.
You also should consider that we don’t WANT to carry all our talented prospects. We don’t want them as 13th forward, eating popcorn from the pressbox for most of the games. We want them pulling huge minutes in Rockford to work on their skills, so that when we do call them up they aren’t too green.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Aug 6, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
am I missing something?
I just get a blank screen when I pull up Cap Calculator
by NesterenkosGhost on Aug 6, 2010 11:18 AM CDT reply actions
Update your Flash player
or if you’re using a Browser like Opera or the PC version of Safari it might not work.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
Updated Flash
…just can’t use Firefox. good gravy.
by NesterenkosGhost on Aug 6, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm using firefox no problem
but it was a pain to install the latest flashplayer on it.
"A new name has been chosen..."
I'd like to see Bowman bring back Madden
Almost no cap space, but you get flexibility with Lalonde and Beach’s two-way contracts.
FORWARDS
Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Troy Brouwer ($1.025m)
Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Jack Skille ($0.600m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / John Madden ($1.100m) / Nathan Davis ($0.500m)
/ Kyle Beach ($1.170m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brian Campbell ($7.142m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Jordan Hendry ($0.600m) / John Scott ($0.512m)
Shawn Lalonde ($0.773m)
GOALTENDERS
Marty Turco ($1.300m) /Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
It would help if you told us the Cap space on that roster
no-one’s gonna want to add it all up for themselves.
what are the totals here?
do you even fit under the cap with both madden and beach on there?
Even if Bowman is somehow able to re-sign Madden, I really think Jake Dowell needs to be up this year, put him on a wing if you have to.
Ditto for CNS
sorry wlittle
Minnesota just nabbed Madden.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
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by chiblackhawks on Aug 6, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
I didn’t think we’d get him, but I wanted him to go to a team that I’d feel good rooting for.
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depending on how you feel about the Thrashers now
Minnesota could be such a team. If Atlanta is the Blackhawks Lite, Minnesota could be the Blackhawks Lite Lite. Barker, Havlat, and Madden? Thank god Bowman didn’t want to trade Sharp to them.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
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by chiblackhawks on Aug 7, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Kyle Beach ($1.170m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Troy Brouwer ($1.025m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Jack Skille ($0.600m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m)
Jeff Taffe ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brian Campbell ($7.142m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Noah Welch ($0.525m) / Jordan Hendry ($0.600m)
Ivan Vishnevskiy ($0.821m)
GOALTENDERS
Marty Turco ($1.300m) /Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $4,157,753
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,498,257; BONUSES: $390,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $291,743
by NesterenkosGhost on Aug 6, 2010 11:52 AM CDT reply actions
Interesting
What made you settle on Welch as your depth defenseman?
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Third pairing minutes, safer defensively, but mostly just because he comes cheap, and isn’t likely to be a liability. Like Hendry Extra Strength, a little better defensively. (well maybe not extra strength
i considered Randy Jones (I think Sassone mentioned him) but it’ll take more than 900k to sign him. i also thought about Christof Schubert. but i think he’s a head game (inconsistent) and Jonas Frogren looked serviceable but i guess he signed in Sweden already.
i also thought about Anders Erikksen. kidding.
by NesterenkosGhost on Aug 6, 2010 12:41 PM CDT reply actions
According to Jesse Rogers...
CHICAGO — The Chicago Blackhawks signed forwards Evan Brophey, Nathan Davis and Hugh Jessiman, defenseman Jassen Cullimore, and goaltender Hannu Toivonen to one-year contracts on Wednesday.
How come no one mentions this?
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Nice write-up from NHL.com on our über prospect Jeremy Morin
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Given all the praise he's getting
strange to see that he’s a second-round pick. Still, it looks like us getting him in the trade was kind of robbery.
Morin will spend the season in Junior
Bank on it.
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I have to agree with you hear.
I see him like Leddy and Olsen. Still needs at least 1 or 2 years in the minors. I can’t wait till he is ready but Stalberg will be with the club this year. I’m excited to see what he does if working with Hossa, Sharp, Toews or Kane (i’m sure with all of them with Q behind the bench)
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We won't see
Morin till at least next year, and if then probably not full time, but more of a fill in role. He has talent, but he is still too raw and unrefined, so don’t hold your breath waiting for him to beat out Stalberg this year.
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DownGoesBrown summarises the Capocalypse perfectly
Chicago Blackhawks – Were forced to part ways with nine regulars due to the salary cap, and now face the daunting task of somehow defending their championship with only Jonathan Toews, Duncan Keith, Patrick Kane, Marian Hossa, Patrick Sharp, Brent Seabrook and a half-dozen other stars.
by Germware on Aug 6, 2010 1:47 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
nice
simple, no frills. like a scotch, neat. very accurate analysis.
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well
what are you waiting for?? its got to be 5 pm SOMEWHERE.
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theres that Chicago Blackhawk "can do spirit" attitude!
or rather, theres that Chicago “must drink spirits” attitude!
either one really, can’t go wrong.
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Are you inplying
we should consider random moments of sobriety?
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the caps are my favorite
Washington Capitals – Moved quickly to address the biggest reason for last year’s crushing post-season disappointment by somehow convincing the Montreal Canadiens to trade Jaroslav Halak to the Western conference.
http://www.downgoesbrown.com/2010/08/nhl-offseason-winners-and-losers.html <- the rest of DGB’s off-season winners and losers.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
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by chiblackhawks on Aug 6, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
i like this one
Detroit Red Wings – Boosted their offensive depth chart with the signing of free agent center Mike Modano, who is presumably the son of that guy who was really good for the Minnesota North Stars back in the early 90s.
my brother is an avid SCUM fan and is creaming himself over Modano playing in Detroit.
I’ll admit, its a nice story; “Highest Scoring American playing for his home-town team” and he very well may produce some decent #s in Detoilet, but lets not forget that Mike Modano, in the world of hockey, is FUCK – ING OLD!!!
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nevermind
this one is the best. HA!
Toronto Maple Leafs – Their savvy acquisition of Brett Ledba to fill the role of seventh defenseman was offset somewhat by the fact that their first-line center on opening night will also be Brett Lebda.
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I just don't get why
Savard for Kaberle hasn’t happened yet. Seems to fit a need for both teams.
I bet Burke probably wants pick(s) with Savard.
Ditto for CNS
Boston are over the Cap
They want to get rid of Savard (& Thomas, presumably) as a payroll dump, trading for Kaberle won’t achieve this.
i wonder if Tallon has any tricks left up his sleeve
do you think Florida is in a position to assist in the needs of Bean-town?
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I wouldn't be surprised
but Savard’s signed for ~7 more years. Not sure if Tallon would be willing to take on that long of a contract for a salary that big. Could backfire.
/sarcasm
7 more years???
yeeesh.
well, we are talking about the same GM who signed Campbell & Huet to ridiculously long and cap-heavy contract (granted, thats what the market was dictating at that time and signing hefty contracts was possibly the only direct way to get top tier talent to sign with The Blackhawks … but still)
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i totally missed your
/sarcasm at the end of your previous post. my bad.
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Yeah, I suppose I thought
they’d make the trade and shed salary elsewhere, but you’re right, they’re in a rough spot cap wise.
I’d guess that LA has given that Boston roster the once over. If they lose out on Kovy, they may try and get one of the Bruins’ forwards.
Ditto for CNS
Time is running out for Kaberle
I’m pretty sure Burke has until the 15th
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idk cliff
who do we trade for him? And can he fit under the cap?
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
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by chiblackhawks on Aug 7, 2010 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions
to be fair
Brown IS a Hawks player, and Versteeg is now a Leaf, so…
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
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by chiblackhawks on Aug 7, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions
damn
he was a big contribution and seemed like a really awesome person. I wonder how much his cap hit will be.
Seriously tho, with Madden and if Havlat ever gets out of his scoring/health funk not to mention how awesome Guillaume Latendresse (one of the most unique Hockey names of the modern era) had played for Minn ever since he was brought over … watch out for The Wild next season they very well may sneak into the Playoffs without anyone noticing.
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by NesterenkosGhost on Aug 6, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
we probably could've squeezed this cap hit in
but it’d be a bit much for a fourth liner. If the idea would’ve been to play madden on bolland’s (checking line) wing, then maybe you could’ve justified the cost.
Would’ve been nice to keep the bollie-Madden Pk pair together since bolland is below average at the dot.
Ditto for CNS
At a certain point, Jake Dowell’s gotta get his chance.And I don’t think there’s much if any tangible dropoff between the two in play at this point. As much as we all loved having him here, he’s still a fourth liner on this team, and he’d be taking the spot of a younger, faster, bigger, cheaper player.
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I would've taken him back if it meant we could move Sharp back to wing.
Move Bolland up to 2nd line center with Madden centering the 3rd and Dowell still gets his playing time on 4.
(Just arguing a point here. Personally I like Sharp at center.)
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- James M. Barrie
How is giving 3rd line center responsibilities
to a guy who couldn’t handle them past December plus one more year older a good idea?
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by El Duque's Raft on Aug 6, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not
just like to stir the pot sometimes.
As I said, here in the real world, I like Sharp at 2nd line center.
{Although……as the season progressed, if Dowell proved himself he could slide up to the 3rd line and Madden could drop back down to 4 where he was so effective during the 2nd half and playoffs last year. See, problem solved!}
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I'd argue
that Madden was one of the weaker links on last year’s team from December on. Once he was relieved of his checking line duties, his place on the team was almost wholly irrelevant.
He gets credit for being an ace PK’er but he and Bolland were probably trapped in their own end more than any other killers.
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by El Duque's Raft on Aug 6, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting perspective on Madden's role.
I did notice the dropoff in his production as the year progressed, but mostly on the offensive side of play. He started off gangbusters the first few months and everyone thought we’d caught lightning in a bottle. But things really evened out after that.
But I’ll have to say that I thought his defensive contributions were pretty steady over the course of the year as was his work at the faceoff dot, which I think could be an issue in the upcoming season.
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- James M. Barrie
I agree
His start to the season made everyone blind to the holes in his game. He’s nowhere near the defensive bulldog he was once ago and I’m afraid it’s only going to get worse.
Unless he was willing to play for the league minimum, this was a good pass by the Hawks.
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by El Duque's Raft on Aug 6, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe you can't pinpoint it...
…and my mind is not really what it used to be (and it wasn’t that great to begin with) but i thought i remember in about late Jan. i noticed Madden’s drop seemed to correlate to that Limo Night
by NesterenkosGhost on Aug 6, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
That almost seems too convenient
to correlate the two. Basically after the New Year’s Eve pasting of New Jersey, he was nearly invisible the rest of the way in. I think it was just Father Time catching up with him.
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by El Duque's Raft on Aug 6, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
This
It seemed like he was getting winded far more often earlier in his shifts the longer the season went on. Being a wily veteran though, he would work smarter rather than harder so it felt less noticeable.
With Madden out of the picture
spot on the 4th line remains open for Wellwood. Similar stats to Madden, but nowhere near the defensive player. Good faceoff pct tho. Maybe too pricey. I will continue to argue with myself until I come to a decision on this.
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oh kyle wellwood
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
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by chiblackhawks on Aug 7, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought Wellwood would be good on defense
by the time the opposing forward has skated around Wellwood, the period will have finished.
by Germware on Aug 7, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He'd be an even better goalie!
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
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by chiblackhawks on Aug 7, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I figured out how to fit HUET under the Cap
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m)
Troy Brouwer ($1.025m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / Jack Skille ($0.600m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Hugh Jessiman ($0.500m)
Nathan Davis ($0.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Jordan Hendry ($0.600m) / John Scott ($0.512m)
Jassen Cullimore ($0.500m) / Jonathan Carlsson ($0.565m)
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
GOALTENDERS
Cristobal Huet ($5.625m) /Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $4,157,753
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $56,190,382; BONUSES: $65,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $3,274,618
I kid.
by NesterenkosGhost on Aug 6, 2010 2:52 PM CDT reply actions
i nearly cried
let me give you a nice, swift kick to the shin. that isn’t funny, yo.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
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by chiblackhawks on Aug 6, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
just a little after the Cup win
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
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by chiblackhawks on Aug 6, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but I think that only lasted 2ish weeks
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
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by chiblackhawks on Aug 6, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I almost cried reading that
But then again management can’t be that stupid….or can they? ;-)
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Is Cambell now residing in the same landfill as Johnsson?
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campbell
i wouldn’t mind seeing campbell go, he’s good but very replaceable.
by admiralcheese on Aug 6, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Wat. No really. I'm pretty sure OP there was joking.
Did you notice in the playoffs how our transition game took a quantum leap when Soupy came back? Not a coincidence. Also not a coincidence: how often he and Kane hook up for goals and assists. Oh look, who was the goal/primary assist tandem that scored the Cup clincher? Hmmm. Maybe their playing styles mesh well, as Kane is a breakout forward who floats the top and speeds off before other teams can catch him, and Soupy is a puck-moving D-man who speeds neat passes to breaking forwards? Nah. Couldn’t be it.
He may be overpaid on his current contract (looking at this year’s market, I actually don’t think he’s that much overpaid), but that doesn’t make him replaceable. There are very, precious few defencemen in the league that can do for us what Soupy does. HINT: none of them are UFA this year. Besides the fact that the contract is untradeable, keeping Soupy was a wise decision, cap hit notwithstanding.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Aug 6, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Without Soupy...
We don’t get past Nashville, period. All of the players mentioned how difficult it was for them to break out of that defensive (i.e. trap) scheme, and after he returned the offense finally got untracked. Overpriced contract or not, he’s a terrific D guy.
my friend is convinced
she saw him rocking out at the VIP sections of Lollapalooza yesterday.
/random comment, because I pretty much agree with most of what you and spoke said
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
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by chiblackhawks on Aug 7, 2010 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions
He actually mentioned in one of the convention interviews that he intended to go, so she probably did.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Aug 7, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Madden
I know he said he was not going to take less but at 1.25 million is it really worth it to go to Minnesota. Im sure the Hawks could have squeezed him in for not all that much less…
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He's only got one or two years left in him
he’s won the Cup three times. He’d be stupid to play for the Hawks for 600k.
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by El Duque's Raft on Aug 6, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd imagine
she wanted him playing on a different team too.
Haha, awesome
Reykjavik mayor opens gay pride festival in drag. You have to love Iceland. Apart from, you know, the whole volcano-ash thing.
and...
their economy imploding.
I’m thinking about going up there in the coming month or two. It’s pretty cheap right now.
I'd love to go
either there or Sweden/Norway. I think it’s in Norway that there’s a law allowing you to camp bascially anywhere, so you wouldn’t have to worry about campsites, etc. Seeing Aurora Borealis is on my “to do before I die” list, for sure.
Are you pining for the fjords?
Sorry, couldn’t help myself.
Yeah, and the US is doing so much better
Don’t laugh, we may be next in line, al la Spain…
O/T
Has anyone here worked in a bar before? I’m looking at bar work in a very swanky hotel, wondering if it’d be worth it.
bar work at a swanky hotel is different from bar work at..well, a bar.
the mixing of drinks is the same, but I doubt you’ll get bought as many shots. ;) But depending on the hotel, you might get a clientele that’ll tip better than at a regular bar. I think it depends a lot on the hotel and the kind of bar they have.
“worth it” depends on what you’re looking for. :)
I have,
was a bouncer in a “meat market” in Germany called the Green Goose. I met my first wife there, of course, she met her second husband there. I have also tended bar at everything from a beach bar in Galveston, to a 4 star steak house in Dalton City, IL. Tips are better in dive bars in small towns, and better in high end bars in big towns. Just my personal experience, your results may vary.
I do know that tips are normally directly related to your ability to flirt. Most of my ex-wives say that I am very good at flirting, and I always made good tips. ( I am currently working on a theory that your ability to flirt is inversely related to your success in long-term relationships.)
/Note unceasing sarcastic laughter in background.
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by burpchelischili on Aug 6, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
For the record
You can’t go wrong with a sentence that begins with “Most of my ex-wives…”
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by bobby h on Aug 7, 2010 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
heh
I just have to rec this…
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by burpchelischili on Aug 7, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
2 out of 3 say I am, for those of you scoring at home. I think the other one might be a dentist…
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by burpchelischili on Aug 7, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Hendry???
did anyone else go on the blackhawks website and see Hendry’s name on the roster? then i went back on about an hour ago and no it’s not on there anymore. when are they gonna sign him?
News out yesterday was that they already signed him?
I dunno what’s up with the Hawks’ site and him not being on it, but news yesterday had Hendry back to us for the eminently reasonable $600k. Links are upthread if you want to find the articles.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Aug 6, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
... my team.
FORWARDS
Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m)
Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Troy Brouwer ($1.025m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / Jack Skille ($0.600m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Kyle Beach ($1.170m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brian Campbell ($7.142m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Jordan Hendry ($0.600m) / John Scott ($0.512m)
/ Nick Boynton ($0.600m)
GOALTENDERS
Marty Turco ($1.300m) /Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $4,157,753
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $58,714,090; BONUSES: $390,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $1,075,910
Stalberg would be wasted at center.
He usually plays left wing. (Maybe you weren’t organizing your forwards by intended lines?)
Also, do we still have Boynton? I’m pretty sure he went UFA this year, and I’m not sure why we’d resign him over a more experienced D-man (McKee, Weeks, even Schubert).
Who’d be the 13th forward if you carried one? You’ve got the space for it, as this roster stands.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Aug 6, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
boynton is a ufa.
yeah i didnt really organize the lines or anything, and yeah boynton is a free agent, i just really liked him. i thought he was a good hard nosed player and i really liked how he stuck up for seabrook in his first game as a hawk, not to mention it was against his old team. i wouldnt be mad if he didnt come back but i think he would be a down up/down guy.
by admiralcheese on Aug 6, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions
just my opinion, here
I think the only thing that may stay a constant in the lineups from game to game will be the centers and in my mind it goes (1) Toews (2) Sharp (3) Bolland (4) Dowell, unless Dowell shits the bed at camp and Taffe simultaneously turns the hockey world on its ear by dazziling The Brass with his “skill” (sorry but the guy’s pro stats are somewhat laughable).
I think the wingers will definitely move around some (thats our Q!) but again i feel the centers will remain as they are.
and here we go …
Hossa – Toews – Brouwer
Kane – Sharp – Bickell
Makarov – Bolland – Kopecky
Beach – Dowell – Skille
Jessiman
Keith – Seabrook
Soup ‘n’ Hjamm Sammy
Hendry – Vishnevskiy
Scott
Turco – Crawford
What do you manics think of this lineup, huh? Sexy, ins’t it?
Seriously tho, i would LOVE to put Kruger and Morin on there but they need more seasoning, obviously, and even tho i think Beach could use a little more AHL conditioning, this kid just seems like he needs to be baptized through fire a la Hjammer.
I put Vishy with Hendry since hes seen a lot more AHL and NHL time than Lalonde has and i think we can all say Scott will be our 7th D-Man used primarily to beat all of St. Louis into a bloody pulp.
Jessiman’s scouting report and last season explosion of offensive production from Jan – the end of the AHL season (setting high numbers, mind you) makes me convinced he deserves a shot to re-laminate Skille’s I-Pass for the Rockford Shuffle he’ll be taking every other week.
Honestly, i think Q will rotate Bickell, Skille, Beach (if he makes it up), Makarov and maybe Dowell all over lines 1 – 4, but my gut tells me that if/when Dowell makes the roster he is peciled in to be the solid 4th line center. But if you think either of those 5 should be somewhere else, im sure the reasoning makes sense perfectly. This is just how i see it before Q starts playing “Forward Lines Roulette”.
Thoughts? Anyone? … Bueller?
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"rookie" line
i dont think they would want to put Beach, Dowell, Skille together, thought they aren’t “rookies” you’d think they’d want a little more experience in there.
by admiralcheese on Aug 6, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
right
like i said, im sure a lot of the wingers will get moved around and i agree with McClure that putting Beach on the 4th line does nobody any good (and i now see i did exactly that … D’Oh!) and needs to be within the top 9 and not the bottom 3 but i just don’t think he has proven anything to be put on a top line yet.
Skille and Dowell are by no means “rookies” (i know, they haven’t played in a lot of NHL games but they basically have streets named after them in Rockford since they’ve been playing there so long) so i don’t feel bad for putting them on the 4th line where the less experienced/skilled players tend to roam.
i don’t think i can trust any other “new guy” on a checking line with Bolland more than Makarov since thats basically the sort of role he had when he was playing in the KHL and he’s wowed enough people at various camps that he might be able to crack the 2nd line.
im sure Skille, Brouwer, and Bickell will switch spots a lot and Kopecky will probably roam between the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines as well.
like i said, my line combos aren’t set in stone but this is the full roster, IMO
"It's The Chicago Blackhawks, man." ~ Jeremy Roenick, June 9th, 2010.
ha!
no i don’t
here we go, again
Hossa – Toews – Brouwer
Kane – Sharp – Stalberg
Makarov – Bolland – Kopecky
Bickell – Dowell – Skille
Beach/Jessiman
Keith – Seabrook
Soup ‘n’ Hjamm Sammy
Hendry – Vishnevskiy
Scott
Turco – Crawford
“Keep the change ya’ filthy animal.”
Seriously tho … thoughts?
"It's The Chicago Blackhawks, man." ~ Jeremy Roenick, June 9th, 2010.
as I've stated
I’m a Toews-Kane, Sharp-Hoss guy. With that swap in mind, I like what you have there, but have questions on the third line. How big is Makarov? That line probably needs a big body. Is makarov pretty solid defensively?
Ditto for CNS
Versteeg played 3rd line, especially in the playoffs
and his size is pretty much in line with Makarov, with Igor getting a slight edge
Igor Makarov
Height 6.01
Weight 183 lbs
Kris Versteeg
Height 5.10
Weight 179 lbs
Plus Kopecky is the biggest out of all three at 6’3" 203 lbs.
But you could easily swap Bickell & Kopecky between the 3rd & 4th lines and PRESTO! the “size” problem is solved.
"It's The Chicago Blackhawks, man." ~ Jeremy Roenick, June 9th, 2010.
also, you should read what i wrote in my initial roster, sans Stalberg
From what i’ve read, Makarov played a more defensive-forward role while seeing limited ice time on a STACKED roster in the KHL. There’s no question the kid has skill and confidence, but its definitely a different game in the NHL versus the KHL.
Yet, because of his defensive-forward role playing i feel its only applicable (if he makes the squad, yet by his recent signing i feel he has a pretty decent shot) he play with our best defensive forward; Dave Bolland.
"It's The Chicago Blackhawks, man." ~ Jeremy Roenick, June 9th, 2010.
No way...
…do the Hawks carry 23.
Jessiman sucks. He’s never seeing the NHL.
Also, size isn’t a be-all, end-all. Stalberg is a big kid, but he has a very nougaty center.
And Dave Bolland is, at best, the Hawks’ 3rd best defensive forward. Jonathan Toews finished 4th in Selke voting, and he’ll be at least a finalist the next 5 years. I also don’t think anyone in the league would place his defensive abilities above Marian Hossa either.
He’s a good guy to put against other scoring lines because you aren’t sacrifice the significant scoring threats that Toews and Hossa are. Bolland should still notch 20 goals if he’s healthy, but he’s no Toews. Not by a longshot.
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i laughed...
…at “nougaty center”.
also, what’s with “at best”? How about “clearly”? And there’s no shame in that. Pretty tough competition in this town.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
"at best"
because I’m not convinced he’s better defensively than Sharp is.
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I agree mostly
with the roster, but I think Stalberg makes it before Markov does. I also like the fact that you have Toews & Kaner seperated, I think that would be a wise decision to institute from time to time as this would keep opposing Ds from keying in on ways to stop that top line of Toews, Kaner, & Brouwer.
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makarov, father like son?
i saw somewhere he’s related to segeri, i wonder if he’ll be as good as segeri once was..
what if...
here’s a thought, what if Turco and/or Crawford don’t work out, then what…
FORWARDS
Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Troy Brouwer ($1.025m)
Marian Hossa ($5.275m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Jack Skille ($0.600m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brian Campbell ($7.142m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Jordan Hendry ($0.600m) / John Scott ($0.512m)
Shawn Lalonde ($0.773m)
GOALTENDERS
Marty Turco ($1.300m) /Corey Crawford ($0.800m) Hannu Toivonen ($0.550m)
CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $4,157,753
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $58,266,590; BONUSES: $285,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $1,418,410
wow i just realized i left out a whole line...
by admiralcheese on Aug 6, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah i know
what thats the point, if turco/crawford dont work out, then what…. toivonen.
by admiralcheese on Aug 6, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
1 of them has to work out
or Bowman makes a mid year trade, but for now, penciling in Turco-Crawford is fine.
Ditto for CNS
correction...
…if Turco/Crawford don’t work out.
FORWARDS
Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Troy Brouwer ($1.025m)
Marian Hossa ($5.275m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Jack Skille ($0.600m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Igor Makarov ($0.552m)
Kyle Beach ($1.170m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brian Campbell ($7.142m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Jordan Hendry ($0.600m) / John Scott ($0.512m)
Shawn Lalonde ($0.773m)
GOALTENDERS
Marty Turco ($1.300m) /Corey Crawford ($0.800m) Hannu Toivonen ($0.550m)
CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $4,157,753
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,989,923; BONUSES: $610,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $20,077
maybe they wont but you can
you can have 3 goalies on your roster, they just scratch one of them for the games they’re not gonna play in, a few teams have 3 goalies on their roster throughout the entire season.
now what sense would that make
Toivonen has a 2 way deal. They can bring them up whenever they need him (hopefully never).
The scenario you’re suggesting would have toivonen as a healthy scratch. So he wouldn’t be in rockford developing, he’d be traveling with the team and not playing.
They won’t have 3 goalies on their roster unless someone gets a short term injury. It’s a pointless exercise to show three goalies occupying cap space.
Ditto for CNS
It really, really doesn't make sense
to carry more that 2 goalies (especially if you’re just going to scratch one; on a Cap-pressed team WTF?), seeing as how you can bring one up from Rockford if you need him. Also, I have a sneaking suspicion that rotating goalies to that extent would seriously mess with our netminders’ heads (Turco is a rhythm goalie, don’t fuck with that), so why keep the third? Better to carry more security under the cap for when our forwards/D get hurt. Seriously, do you think the team could survive for a whole season, only $22k under the cap? Somebody’s going to be injured, and then we’d be playing shortbenched the whole game.
If one of the goalies doesn’t work out, we can do the Rockford Shuffle. No need to carry three until then.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Aug 6, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
grrr
for $1 million/1 year the reports are saying. I would have to say if that is true has me wondering why the Bowman couldn’t get that done here. $1 million is about the number that would have made that work that I think more than a couple of us were hoping for and thinking Madden wouldn’t drop that low.
by runningquicklynowhere on Aug 6, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Hadn’t seen the number on Capgeek yet and was going by the numbers I saw reported by both the Sun Times and AP. Capgeek is almost always more accurate though.
by runningquicklynowhere on Aug 7, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
it's because his base salary is $1m
but he gets 250K in bonuses.
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by chiblackhawks on Aug 9, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I like how easily all the Niemi anxiety has gone by the wayside!
I feel ready for pre-season!
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This is my favorite that I've put together with the signing of a UFA veteran...
FORWARDS
Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Troy Brouwer ($1.025m)
Marian Hossa ($5.275m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m)
Richard Park ($0.700m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Jack Skille ($0.600m)
Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Bryan Bickell ($0.541m)
/ Hugh Jessiman ($0.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brian Campbell ($7.142m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Jordan Hendry ($0.600m) / Shawn Lalonde ($0.773m)
John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
Marty Turco ($1.300m) /Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $4,157,753
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $58,916,590; BONUSES: $285,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $768,410
Some might scoff about Park, but he would really help on the penalty kill and provide some elder wisdom for the young lower lines. He, Bolly and Skille could work very well when shorthanded.
It’s my opinion that Jessiman makes this team no matter what. Despite having Bickell, Brouwer and Kopecky, this team is still desperate for a guy of his size and his toughness that can defend the smaller skaters and lay the wood on the opposition. Scott and Jessiman would work wonderfully in the roles of sheriff and deputy, and Jessiman has the inate talent to maybe even break out for 10+ goals.
While I like the idea of bringing in Vishnevskiy, his game doesn’t impress me very much and the feeling I get is that the organization is committed to Lalonde. He’s young and could use a little more AHL seasoning, and his roster layout would allow for him to be shuttled off to Rockford if he struggles and still not about the cap ramifications.
As for the mixing of the lines, I tried to move Kaner and Hoss around and even tried Bickell and Kopecky on the top line, but I realized it just wouldn’t work. Kane stays on the top line with Brouwer at power forward, and Stalberg works on the second line and could be a huge breakout candidate.
I would feel very good about this roster going into October. Here’s to hoping Stan can sign a guy like Park or McKee or even Arron Asham (as much as I hate him).
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Aug 7, 2010 12:51 AM CDT reply actions
Does
anyone actually know that much about Jessiman, other than the fact that he’d add size?
The only other thing I know about him is that if he plays, every player in the ‘03 draft will’ve played in the NHL.
He's an AHL lifer
He couldn’t crack Nashville’s forward corps last year. He certainly won’t crack the Hawks’.
If anything, he’s there to show Kyle Beach being a big, nasty first rounder doesn’t guarantee success.
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I wouldn't want to face this team in the playoffs
Bring on 2010-2011!
What a pisser...
After walking on Nemo, I had hoped just maybe…
We are going to have lower production on faceoffs, which makes me nervious.
"A new name has been chosen..."
I never realized how much the slovakians love prints on their shorts.
Hossa and Kop are rocking the plaid, while the announcer is working the swirls
by blackhawkeyes on Aug 7, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, recent history suggests that
the Celts may have originated from Bohemia including where modern day Slovaks are from. So…. there’s your plaid or for you Britons and/or Gaelic folk, Tartan.
so apparently there was a Kopecky vs. Hossa pull up contest at the rally,
which Kopecky won 8-5. I read it on the Cup blog over at NHL.com http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=534054
by blackhawkeyes on Aug 8, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought you would know about this
KtG (Katherine215) got hit with birdshit either before the playoffs or at the start. Apparently it’s lucky. We all know how lucky it was…
As in "If the Foo shits, wear it"?
I have been pelted by airborne missiles before… what a drag.
It’s good that cows can’t fly.
"A new name has been chosen..."
It was the day of game 4
against Nashville. I really think it helped make that game the turning point for us.
Haven’t I bitched about it enough the last 3+ months that EVERYONE knows about it?!
you got pooped on
that is now a tradition. I’ll buy a bird when we make the playoff
Back off man, I'm a scientist
Bug Chucker Fly Fishing
by BigCSouthside on Aug 7, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I object to this tradition.
That was a ONE TIME THING.
Also, you having a bird in Ohio means nothing to me in IL.
by Katherine215 on Aug 7, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
It could have been worse...
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
Let me get this straight...
While SCUM are hurling cephalopods, Big C will arrange for a bird to crap all over Katherine?
Couldn’t we train it to crap on Pierre instead?
"A new name has been chosen..."
I trained it to kill Pierre
Back off man, I'm a scientist
Bug Chucker Fly Fishing
by BigCSouthside on Aug 7, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Look
I don’t get why you’re asking, “Why do they have falcons at sports rallies in Slovakia?” Why aren’t you asking, “Why don’t we have falcons at sports rallies over here?”
My question was
They do realize they are Hawks not Falcons – right?
How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?
Lost In Translation
Maybe they don’t realize that our team is represented by a Blackhawk Indian and not a bird?
They probably realized
how politically incorrect it would be to have 2 tiny Blackhawk Indians tethered to their wrist. ACLU would have been all over that!
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"Hey, Tomas, check out this,
I train this bird of prey to gauge out eyes of other team goalie when I go on break away. I will make many goals. He work for dead mice, so we can fit him under dreaded Cap on Salaries. I call Stan later, he will be very happy…Oh and I train your bird to make shits on you while I laugh. HA HA"
Back off man, I'm a scientist
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by BigCSouthside on Aug 7, 2010 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Also, I mean Gouge
English is second language, don’t make jokes, or I send Bird after you
Back off man, I'm a scientist
Bug Chucker Fly Fishing
by BigCSouthside on Aug 7, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
The Kings have Quick and Bernier
It might make sense on a 1 year deal if they don’t believe in Bernier.
That would suck as the Kings are almost sure to make a run this season.
He wouldn’t get noticed out there though. Fucking recluse.
19-88-81-2-7-10-36-4-51 : The Hawks
Might get noticed in
April, May, June.
"....we have to find a way to win. And good teams do that."
Tomas Kopecky May 29, 2010
Yeah for sure but he can probably go out and not get hassled by fans as he was here. From what I’ve heard hockey is the least popular sport in that city.
That is a loaded Tweet. That doesn’t say they are talking it says he is signing. Its nowhere else on the internet from what I’ve seen.
The Kings are going to be a dam good team this year. The Western Conference is looking like a powerhouse. LA-Detoilet-Vancouver-Nashvllle….and of course the Stanley Cup Champs.
19-88-81-2-7-10-36-4-51 : The Hawks
I fell kinda sorry for the Flames
because they should be good enough to make it into the postseason. Of course, it’s kind of hilarious that they can’t, but that’s just me being a dick.
Bad rumor?
Like the dude’s tweet about Turco retiring? The guy is a fraud…
Only a handful of teams could take him on.
They all have 2 goalies. I should have said “Actually, he COULD fit there…”
At first I was shocked the Hawks didn’t sign and trade him, but obviously, they would have been stuck with his cap hit then. Such a sad situation.
"A new name has been chosen..."
It really is such a sad situation
And it’s not like Yankees baseball where they wait until a guy is a star to overpay him, the crux here is guys who are so raw they had to be paid but were drafted by the org. We can squabble over Huey and Campbell but the real problem is the guys the hawks have groomed earning the right to sing for big money. Sigh
Afroman likes tall cans.
by OMFS88 on Aug 7, 2010 3:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
kyle beach at the youth hockey camp
I’m just glad he didn’t beat up any of the 8yr olds out there.
Ah geeeeaz, ah geeeeeez, ah geeeeez, oh crap.
His PR rep
Told him emphatically he had to keep his cool
Afroman likes tall cans.
by OMFS88 on Aug 7, 2010 3:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Fargin Icehole Bastiches
You Fargin Beach – Bashing Iceholes are gonna be Fargin sorry.
"A new name has been chosen..."
I think Beach-bashers is a bit unfair
I know next to nothing about him (other than he’s apparently a sicknut) but from what I’ve heard, he seems immature. I think this is what people are worried about. I can’t speak for them, but I presume they want our team to do well, so they will almost certainly want him to do well. The main problem is people can’t agree if it would be better for him to mature here or in the AHL.
Bud, it's just a term
Nothing unfair about it. Just my way of expressing what I think. I have no problem with whatever you want to replace “Beach -bashers” with; I’m just referring to people that are more opposed to him than fans of him.
Well
I was opposed to wasn’t the term per se, more your apparent belief that anyone who didn’t want Beach on the opening-night roster just plain didn’t like him. Still, feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
I'm not opposed to him.
I hope he makes a huge impact (in a positive manner that is) on the team this year. He just needs to get his ego in check before someone puts it in check for him. A good strong presence we need, dumb penalties we can do without, and for some reason I see many in his future if he doesn’t straighten up
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We don't need a Carcillo
I think that’s my main concern here, a guy who plays limited minutes and takes dumb penalties. The kid has obvious talent, he could be another Scott Stevens if he puts his mind to it. Just play hard…and smart.
I'm not basher
merely statement that i’m glad no 8yr olds got beat up.
Ah geeeeaz, ah geeeeeez, ah geeeeez, oh crap.
It's all good.
What I’m basically referring to is a belief that he will not be ready for this year at all opposed to opening night. It is definitely not about “correcting” for we all have our opinions.
i agree
that the key is how useful Beach is in April, not October. I don’t understand putting him on the opening day roster.
Let him get more minutes in Rockford early in the season. If it looks like he can help the club, bring him up mid-season or later.
If he starts the year on the Hawks and by January the Hawks conclude it was premature, well, that was a fucking waste of half-a-million in cap space.
And that goes for a lot of our youngsters. The difference between the beginning and the end of the season can be a lot, plus it ain’t how you start, it’s how you finish, and the cap situation is so tight that rushing youngsters onto the beginning of year roster doesn’t strike me as prudent.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
There was a babe from Spokane that was giving updates on Beach
I wonder how she weighs in on his quote “NHL readiness” – I agree that later is better, many also feel the same way about Kruger and Makarov…
"A new name has been chosen..."
no
I should change that, if only my dumbass roomate would get away from the work computer
Back off man, I'm a scientist
Bug Chucker Fly Fishing
by BigCSouthside on Aug 7, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
drinking more
Back off man, I'm a scientist
Bug Chucker Fly Fishing
by BigCSouthside on Aug 7, 2010 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Open a beer can under his nose
then slowly walk away with it. Maybe he’ll follow the scent.
by Katherine215 on Aug 7, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
no
he is a corporate bitch, stupid bastard wont even negotiate a new salary, and he paid full ticket price for his car
Back off man, I'm a scientist
Bug Chucker Fly Fishing
by BigCSouthside on Aug 7, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
All I know is, I opening a can of beer to watch the Sox game...
And I’ve been following myself back and forth to the fridge all night!
"A new name has been chosen..."
Or one of these
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
Someone should Photoshop Antti behind the wheel...
running over Zito
"A new name has been chosen..."
That would be great
Good thing I’ve learned not to drink while I’m reading anything here.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
There have been a few times I swear to god I replied correctly, yet...
After losing Niemi and now Madden “officially”, yeah… drinking more.
It’s like an Irish Wake marathon…
"A new name has been chosen..."
Ok, I need to fucking rant
There is a goddamn “Irish festival” going on here (and I put that in quotes because these fucking people are neither Irish, or have any Idea what an Irish Festival is), and now my favorite bar is over run with plaid short wearing visored fucking douchebags, wearing green and carrying on like a bunch of 13 year olds who broke into daddy’s liquor cabinet. This is why I should be allowed one free murder a year, just to help streamline the population by cutting out the mouthbreathers who should not be allowed to breed or touch anything with any alcohol content. That is all, misanthropic rant complete
Back off man, I'm a scientist
Bug Chucker Fly Fishing
by BigCSouthside on Aug 7, 2010 11:50 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I still don't get St. Patrick's Day
I mean, weren’t there a similar number of Scottish immigrants? You never hear anything about St. Andrew’s Day over in America.
The Scott's never got heavily into city politics
For major cities (NY, Chicago, Boston) the Irish were major players in local politics, and the population of pure Irish outweighs the population of pure Scottish in the major US cities. It’s the same reason that Columbus Day is considered by italians to be an Italian holiday
Back off man, I'm a scientist
Bug Chucker Fly Fishing
by BigCSouthside on Aug 8, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Right, OK
That solves part of it. But still, it surprises me that you still make such a massive deal out of it over 150 years after the famine ended. I’d have expected it to die out, especially as everyone celebrating it now is much more American than Irish.
People like to drink
and it’s a good excuse to get shit-face in the middle of god-awful March.
by Katherine215 on Aug 9, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Easy answer
NO.
They had the potato famine and many were Catholic. Those were the main reasons for them coming to America. The Scotts( even though they weren’t big on English rule either) were mostly Protestant and therefore didn’t have to come over here due to religious issues.
and
American Scotts and Scotch-Irish( which are actually Scotts that were given land in Northern Ireland and then came to America) make up apprx. 3.1% of American population where as the Irish make up 12%. More numbers, so more influence.
But
are those numbers from what people consider themselves to be on the Census or whatever, or are they from genealogy-type studies?
Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems like if an American has an Irish grandfather or similar, they generally consider themselves “Irish” and try to make it known (like half of Boston & the Kennedys) but if they are in the same situation with a Scot, it either gets forgotten or at least not told to anyone who will listen.
By the way, I’m only using Scottish people as an example. The point I’m trying to make is that for some reason Irishness seemingly trumps Englishness/Dutchness/Australian-ness/Frenchness, etc.
Yes you are correct with the fact that
many of us are Irish Americans being many generations away ( Plastic Paddies as the Irish from the old country call us) but like I said, due to the numbers around in this country and Irish Pride that is usually taught from generation to generation based on struggles (with not only the English but of America when they would use Catholic Irish workers in deadly areas such as swamps because slaves were considered more valuable than the micks) and then rising to positions of “power” such as politics, law enforcement and fire departments.
Shit, I’m German-Irish American and am proud of both, but I am American first. Where I live Oktoberfest is also very popular.
I really like Craig Ferguson if that makes you feel any better.
Heh
Nobody over here has heard of Craig Ferguson. I only heard about him ~6 months ago. If you walked down the street in Scotland & asked 100 people who he was, I’d be surprised if even 1 person knew his name. Seriously.
Heh, I'll take it
But yeah, I wasn’t on the let-Scots-be-equal brigade, I was just genuinely curious as to why the Irish got “preference” (for want of a better word) over all the other immigrant cultures in terms of holidays, etc.
I’m not massively into the whole being Scottish thing, and I’m not really patriotic aside from supporting our football team at World Cup qualifying (we hardly ever make it into the real thing), so it wasn’t about Scotland.
Fair do's
I’m not all up on my history, so it doesn’t really surprise me that I was wrong on that. We had a potato famine too, in the Highlands, so I thought there had been a similar exodus to pastures greener.
Come on over to my hood
and prepare yourself to be perpetually annoyed at the yuppie scum and hipster doofuses that take over here during the neighborhood festival. Couple that with the usual nuttiness going on at Boys Town during their weekend of Roman – esque celebrations, and you’ve got traffic gridlock, baby!
if you get one free murder a year,
I definitely want one too.
by Katherine215 on Aug 9, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
None!
I do not approve of dog-murders, only people-murders.
I’m sure this comment will be Exhibit 1 at my next murder trial…
by Katherine215 on Aug 9, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I didn't know you had a previous murder trial
I hope you got somebody worth it
I've always felt society would be better served
if you could put down the pet owners instead of the pets.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
I'm not sure
how you would do on a Blade-Runner empathy test. Part of me wants to say you’d have passed, but another part wants to say you’d’ve failed.
I have a great deal of empathy
for animals, as evidenced by my incessant dog/polar bear/other animal posts, because they have virtually no control over what happens in their lives and are basically dependent on the good nature of humans.
I am harder pressed to feel empathy for most humans as we most often have a hand in the shit that does or doesn’t happen in our lives.
I don’t remember the test in the movie (saw it once a long time ago), but I’m not sure I’d want to pass if I’m supposed to be more empathetic to humans than the helpless.
OK, time to break my cherry , been hiding in the shadows the last couple of years ,absolutly love the site ! heres my hawks roster, but with a twist,.. not this years, but next years roster !, man give these young guys a little experince and we will be awesome for a long time.
FORWARDS
Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Kyle Beach ($1.170m)
Jeremy Morin ($0.977m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Troy Brouwer ($1.025m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Jack Skille ($0.600m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m)
DEFENSEMEN
Duncan Keith ($5.538m) / Brent Seabrook ($3.500m)
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Brian Campbell ($7.142m)
Jordan Hendry ($0.600m) / Shawn Lalonde ($0.773m)
John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
Marty Turco ($1.300m) /Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $4,157,753
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,864,923; BONUSES: $822,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $357,577
by bannermannnnn !!! on Aug 8, 2010 12:10 AM CDT reply actions
I think Seabs gets closer to 5
Back off man, I'm a scientist
Bug Chucker Fly Fishing
by BigCSouthside on Aug 8, 2010 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh and welcome and all that
If you couldnt tell by my post right above yours, I’m a bit irritable at the moment.
Back off man, I'm a scientist
Bug Chucker Fly Fishing
by BigCSouthside on Aug 8, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes I can tell
That’s how I felt at the UFc fight tonight, steroid pumping Affliction T-shirt douche bags. Talking shit to people who just walk by them.
Ah geeeeaz, ah geeeeeez, ah geeeeez, oh crap.
those motherfuckers should be scalped
Back off man, I'm a scientist
Bug Chucker Fly Fishing
by BigCSouthside on Aug 8, 2010 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions
A couple of things
Seabrooks gets more money, as does Bolland. Skille is a UFA. Seabrook is due a raise and the cap penalty goes away. Also what do you do in net?
O/T - Hossa & Kopecky were knighted in Slovakia.
Now I want BHTV to do something with this, like make them joust at center ice using inflatable swords or something. There are a couple other videos as well – someone made Hossa a statute that’s apparently ~550 lbs (or 250 kilos).
I dont believe Kop and Hoss
and “inflatable swords” should ever be in the same sentence ever again
Back off man, I'm a scientist
Bug Chucker Fly Fishing
by BigCSouthside on Aug 8, 2010 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
That's awesome!
First there was the photo of them with real live hawks, now they’ve been knighted and made into statuary? Some part of me thinks, it’s Hossa and that’s just how he rolls. He is Sir Marian Hossa and you are not. (Is it Sir in Slovakia? What’s the translation of the honorary there?)
by spokeinthebandwagon on Aug 8, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
You have been studying for the bar too long
a 550 lb statute must have a hell of a lot of pages
Back off man, I'm a scientist
Bug Chucker Fly Fishing
by BigCSouthside on Aug 8, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Impossible Situation
As a Red Wings’ fan I have empathy for what the Hawks have had to face. They had to shed salary. That Stinks! Rules are rules, I guess (grrrr), and the cap is the cap. What really bugs me: I liked that team! I want that team back! I want to see not only regular season games, but come on brothers! All we wanted was to playoff against each other… didn’t happen. To me, that cap situation in Chicago is the same as someone saying to me, “Which part of the shit sandwich do you want to bite first.?” To use a movie quote, Red Wings to Blackhawks’ fans… “We are going to miss those commie bastards. After we rotate back to the world, there won’t be anyone left worth shooting!” Go Panda, Go Wings, Go Hawks. What a fucking situation! Detroit.
don't cry for me argentina
we’ll be just fine. you act like our best two defensive players are 80 years old or something.
My Attempt At the Cap Situation
Two moves:
Sign Patrick O’ Sullivan to a 1 year 1,000,000 contract
Sign Jay Mckee to a 1 year 800,000 contract.
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m)
Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Patrick O’Sullivan ($1.000m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Jack Skille ($0.600m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Troy Brouwer ($1.025m)
Jeff Taffe ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brian Campbell ($7.142m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Jordan Hendry ($0.600m) / John Scott ($0.512m)
/ Jay McKee ($0.800m)
GOALTENDERS
Marty Turco ($1.300m) /Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $4,157,753
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,293,257; BONUSES: $65,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $171,743
Why would you want Brouwer on the 4th line?
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Aug 9, 2010 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions
My take
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Troy Brouwer ($1.025m)
Marian Hossa ($5.275m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m)
Kyle Beach ($1.170m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Hugh Jessiman ($0.500m)
Jeff Taffe ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brian Campbell ($7.142m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Jordan Hendry ($0.600m) / Ivan Vishnevskiy ($0.821m)
John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
Marty Turco ($1.300m) /Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $4,157,753
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,385,757; BONUSES: $390,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $404,243
You could interchange Brouwer, Beach and Bickell…depending on how much muscle you want on the first line. Brouwer for scoring, Bickell to clog up the middle (a la Dustin Byfuglien) or Beach for just plain nastiness to protect Kane and Toews.
Also, Beach – Dowell – Jessiman…lotsa size there and also plenty of nastiness for a fourth line (a la Eager and Burish).
I could see Vishneskiy as the sixth defenseman, but maybe the Hawks resign Boynton or another free agent to fulfill that Brent Sopel role of penalty killer/shot blocker.
Hey, guys
Something’s different about Hossa & Kop. I can’t quite put my finger on it…
(Before you ask, no I do not know what’s happening in this picture. At all.)
by Germware on Aug 8, 2010 6:36 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
The panda has teeth?
Who goes about painting their crocodiles into pandas? (Who wants to spend that much time around those jaws?) It’s very Alice in Wonderland: We’re painting the roses red!
Actually, I was curious enough to do research. Apparently, the Thai go about painting their crocodiles into pandas. According to the lead crocodile-painter, baby crocodiles are easy, but the adults are more difficult. “It takes about three people to hold them down, and once it’s done the paint comes off as soon as they slip into the water.”
by spokeinthebandwagon on Aug 8, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
You couldn't get your name changed?
I thought it was possible on SBN if you contact Sam/Matt/Matt or something like that.
Lolwut?
…the country’s top zoologist has taken to wearing a panda costume for TV interviews.
…two armed men held up a gas station in Bangkok and made off with two stuffed pandas — leaving the cash register untouched.
I honestly can’t decide if I want to live there or if I want to board the country up to keep in all the crazy.
there are no words
for how ridiculous, yet awesome this is. I want a Pandagator
Back off man, I'm a scientist
Bug Chucker Fly Fishing
by BigCSouthside on Aug 9, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Over under on the +- of -10 for this line
Kyle Beach ($1.170m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Hugh Jessiman ($0.500m)
A lot of brute force but not the best skaters… Jessiman is a flame out there’s a reason he’s signed for the minimum and it’s not because he’s talented. He’s at best a 13th forward on this team and probably is more of roster depth… I get that he’s cheap but he has no business getting a look for the roster unless it’s to get punched in the face by other team’s enforcers.
not much room, but 23-man anyway
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Troy Brouwer ($1.025m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Kyle Beach ($1.170m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Jack Skille ($0.600m)
Igor Makarov ($0.552m) / Jeff Taffe ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brian Campbell ($7.142m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Jordan Hendry ($0.600m) / Nick Boynton ($0.500m)
John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
Marty Turco ($1.300m) /Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $4,157,753
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,716,590; BONUSES: $390,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $73,410
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