Kovalchuk/CBA Decision Looming
by McClure on Sep 3, 2010 3:00 PM CDT
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It appears that this goatfuck is finally reaching a conclusion, albeit a not entirely expected one.
Numerous outlets are reporting that an agreement regarding long term deals has finally been reached, and Ilya Kovalchuk's 15 year, $100 mildo deal has been approved/grandfathered into the new stipulations. These stipulations apparently include that the last five years of a deal need to average at least $1 million, and reduced salary past the age of 40 can't be used to soften the cap hit. Marian Hossa's deal will be grandfathered in also, as his contract presently does not meet these conditions, albeit only by one year, the last year of his deal, when he will be 41 at the start of the 2020-2021 season at a rate of $750K. His last five years, though, do indeed average out to $1.5 million.
While it's not entirely equitable, all of the other teams prior to this point had an opportunity to sign players to similar deals, and those parameters can still be worked within to create cap-friendly long-term contracts (Hello, Brent Seabrook). This also allegedly means the players have to pay less into escrow, but all of the specifics of that could probably be explained by someone far more well-versed in the CBA than I am. This is probably about the best the NHL and PA could do with this given the situation of the existing contracts it already approved, because all hell would have broken loose had they not grandfathered these contracts in.
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Well at least Hossa is safe, but
i know it will be harder to sign Seabrook now. Especially with the CBA ending in 2012. Since the CBA ends then, do you think thats why the NHLPA gave in?
This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.
pretty much
they couldn’t just throw members of the union to the wolves so they did what they had to. i’m also sure that they’ll remember this day when the CBA ends, especially with Fehr running things. his way of running negotiations is the definition of playing hard ball.
i’m just happy we have hossa and we can put all this drama behind us.
by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Sep 3, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
No, he's taking a pic of his wife's rack
it’s still amazing from 200 yards away.
There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.
I thought
he was reminding Kops how small his (Kops’) thing is
Not all those who wander are lost.
my Captain is better than your Captain
Kaner made him do it
“Hoss, seriously dude…text me a pic of those bazooms, I need something to punch my cabbie to”
Back off man, I'm a scientist
Bug Chucker Fly Fishing
by BigCSouthside on Sep 3, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is it just me or is that photo a bit of an optical illusion?
The way the light hits hossa’s arm is different than the way it hits the rest of him. One time I look at it and it looks like it’s his arm and the next time I look at it, it almost looks like there is someone standing next to him that is holding up a phone. Weird.
Ditto for Badgerdano
Oh no shit
I thought the same thing; what the hell is he holding up a pen for?
2009-2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Chicago Blackhawks
Because he sign very large contract with Chicago.
Need very big pen to do this.
All hockey players are bilingual. They know English and profanity. - Gordie Howe
And thank you NHL for not fucking with our Panda.
There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.
Just glad that it's over
Now we have 22 days and can wait for the fucking pre-season to start
2009-2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Chicago Blackhawks
agree, now I dont have to read retarded articles
anymore about the cup being taken away or losing Hoss or other such nonsense
Back off man, I'm a scientist
Bug Chucker Fly Fishing
by BigCSouthside on Sep 3, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
They were stupid, weren't they?
I think that might have been one of the top things listed on the NHL’s Pro/Con list going in.
Even the sniff of that was probably a scary prop for the Gary meister and his band of brothers.
Speaking of which, is it too “tinfoil hat” to think that this was exactly what they wanted going in, and that it is not too far beyond the pale to think Gary and Lou chatted up this very thing over one of their many intimate dinners?
Ugggh. I felt dirty typing that last bit…
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According to a source close to Johnston, Levi met with Sarah Palin in June in hopes of burying the hatchet. Palin opened the meeting with two questions: "Are you recording this?" and "Are you wearing a wire?"
Didn't The Cell teach you anything?
Some minds are just too fucked up to get inside.
by hairhelmet on Sep 3, 2010 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahahaha
rec’d because you know gary’s mind and the cell have so much in common. inner sociopath that is hell bent on destroying all that is good (NHL is his case.)
by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Sep 3, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think it's so "tinfoil hat", no.
There’s been quite a bit of speculation that Lou didn’t like the cap-circumventing deals, and may have made the initial Kovalchuk contract so far out, the league would have to take action.
And as it turns out, he gets his man with the last of the ‘loophole’ lifetime contracts, and the league gets a temporary agreement to stop it from happening again.
Until the next CBA negotiation.
With Donald Fehr, representing.
In conclusion, we’re all boned.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Sep 3, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Naaah. We’ll be OK.
Really. I think of Fehr as exactly as he is, I think. A very good hired gun. He has the rep AND the ego to step into the ring with one of the biggest egos in our game.
Plus, is it not the NBA and NFL that are both looking at work stoppages? The NHL knows they will/would have a huge opportunity if there is either one of those leagies on the shelf.
The PA won’t get pushed around with Fehr, but I found those articles when it first came out where they spelt his name Fear as stupid and condescending to you and I.
Why? The players in the NHL, maybe more, or at least as much as, the players in the other leagues are cognizant of the success and failure of their league. TV deals help the NFL, and NBA, make gazillions and pay out same. They want the same. They know another work stoppage so close to the last will kill any momentum.
The NHL and NBC made money last year, and I am sure it helps. But a national platform will bring in the big bucks to the betterment of all teams, both big market and small.
I am looking for the Versus/NBC conglom being another sports network as a possible and viable alternative to ESPN. They could go as national, could they not? ( Canadian here….but NBC is a basic cable option with all their various badges…right?)
Or is ESPN a better fit? Either way, the NHL and PA knows there are more piles of cash. They were the league that posted gains throughout the recession hitting right? This is the time for the NHL to finally make some traction in the Lower 50 States ( ;-)
The players are not going to eff that up over a clause that only really affected a very small percentage of the members. That seems to have been fixed pretty fairly.
You can still sign…say…Doughty to a 12 year deal and still be below 35!! Or, say a Stamkos…
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According to a source close to Johnston, Levi met with Sarah Palin in June in hopes of burying the hatchet. Palin opened the meeting with two questions: "Are you recording this?" and "Are you wearing a wire?"
well......
not being harsh or judgmental but you obviously never experienced the MLB version of Ferh. i only say this with respect to Vancouver not having an allegiance to a baseball team, unless you consider Seatle as your own. Ferh destroyed the innocence of the MLB the moment he forced them to cancel the WS. i consider him the anti-Christ of sports. and seeing him involved with the NHLPA makes me sick to my stomach. that man has balls as big as the largest rubber band ball, except they are made from solid brass. that man will not give an inch in negotiations. his tactics are the definition of playing hard ball.
just wait and see. i’m not trying to be negative. i’m just giving you fair warning of what is to come. what happens with the NBA and NFL does not matter to Fehr. he only cares about who he works for, and getting them the money he thinks they deserve. and trust me, he will get it, just as he did in the work stoppage of 94-95.
by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Sep 4, 2010 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Dude. Not for nothing but I was a big Expo fan in ‘94. When it looked like we might have an all Canadian WS and the best team of it’s generation forming in Montreal.
The work stoppage forever fucked that up in the eyes of my Quebecois brethren. So, yeah, I get what you are saying.
It doesn’t really apply to hockey though. Baseball doesn’t have a Cap of any kind. Regardless of whatever innocence you or I attach to the game then and/or now, the truth is there is not much fairness in that innocence. The Yankees and Red Sox can spend 200 mil and the Pirates field a team for what the Yanks pay one player. Baseball sold out…Fehr was just around at the time, helping steer them over the cliff.
He’s in a Cap world now. With a players rep system that makes for some pretty strong personalities being in control. I see him more as a kindler, gentler Rambo. Less the cold stone killer in First Blood…more the still effective but gentler “warrior with a cause”.
At least I sure the hell hope so.
;-)
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I'm in 'fehr' as well on the upcoming negotiations
I’m with Coz on this one. Your two negotiation heads (Bettman and assuming Fehr is the NHLPA agent) have danced this dance before and have shown their willingness to temporarily destroy a sport. IMO both of these guys have huge egos and when egos come into play during negotiations, the negotiations can become more about supposed principle than $$.
My only hope is that Fehr is a wiser man after the MLB strike and has pondered different tactics that he and the union committee could have used to avoid the strike. I have no hope in Bettman.
by learn to swim on Sep 4, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
there is no cap in baseball
because of fehr. :)
by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Sep 4, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Versus/ NBC will never be national
Primarily because NBC is a solid 3rd – place network in a severely declining market share for network television in general, and Versus is a 3rd – tier (i.e additional fee on top of the ones you pay for ESPN and other cable networks) cable option on most US cable systems (most importantly, they’re 3rd – tier on Comcast, the largest cable operator in the country). The NHL may not have been happy with ESPN’s coverage back then, but they severely screwed the pooch on jumping to such a joke of a “sports network.” You either dance with The Borg or die from it, and Versus has no effective 2nd and 3rd channels in which to view other NHL playoff games, like ESPN does with their multiple channel options. Until they get off of Versus and back to something remotely resembling a national cable outlet, the NHL will never reach anything approaching national coverage here.
You don’t think Ed Snider could take his pile of cash, add it to the pile of cash NBC has to play with, and make something?
It is the latest rumour.
Thanks for the insight. You are probably right. ESPN it is then.
A must read from Vanity Fair's "Sarah Palin ; the Sound and the Fury by Michael Joseph Gross. No matter your politics...this is not presidential material...is it?
(In Wasilla) When I ask about Palin, though, a palpable unease creeps in. Some people clam up. Others whisper invitations to call later—but on this number, not that one, and not before this hour or after that one. So many people answer "Off the record?"
It really comes down to Versus
…and how much I dislike their coverage and lack of available games. Rinky Dink network for a Rinky Dink – thinking league. Watching the broadcasts from Canada via my desktop last season has been a revelation – they know how to do it, notwithstanding the old crazy man on the breaks between periods. Cannot believe that guy was actually a professional hockey coach.
Hey now!
Don is cool.
Dude was not only coach of the year with the Bruins, he has done more for minor hockey…using his position…than most any other.
But yeah…Cdn networks know how to show hockey…
Its what we do.
;-)
A must read from Vanity Fair's "Sarah Palin ; the Sound and the Fury by Michael Joseph Gross. No matter your politics...this is not presidential material...is it?
(In Wasilla) When I ask about Palin, though, a palpable unease creeps in. Some people clam up. Others whisper invitations to call later—but on this number, not that one, and not before this hour or after that one. So many people answer "Off the record?"
Woah there
No ripping on Grapes. He is awesome. Plus he wrote the best hockey book I’ve ever read Don Cherry’s Hockey Stories and Stuff
There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.
I didn't say he was a bad writer
But he’s almost as painful to listen to as Ron Santo is during Cub’s broadcasts.
Not really
Sometimes Hughes will say something that ends with a question for Santo, and Santo just says “Yeah” or some other one-word answer. Hey Ron, you’re the analyst. You’re supposed to talk and explain stuff!
Not to mention when things are going bad for the Cubs, Santo’s entire contribution to the broadcast seems to be “Oh no” and “Oh jeeze.”
2005 Chicago White Sox. 2006 Chicago Rush. 2008 Philadelphia Phillies. 2009-10 Chicago Blackhawks. CHAMPIONS.
I love Ron
but HappyHuman is right about the commentary. Even though his Aw, Jeeze comments do crack me up. He’s so surprised when they suck.
by Katherine215 on Sep 6, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
But that's part of the charm
Like Sox fans who somehow like Hawk Harrilson with his awe shucks country boy hillbilly sayings like “C’mon, you gotta do some chunkin’ right here” and "Daggum it
Hawk blows.
There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.
If there is a worse annoucer
than Harrelson, I haven’t heard him.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
Hawk Harrelson
is anything but “aw shucks”. Aw shucks implies some kind of subtle humility and approachability, of which he has neither.
Ditto for Badgerdano
I do like Ron a lot
but you have to admit, his color commentary can be lacking at times. Half the time he’s asking Pat how that guy at first got on base.
Hawk is terrible. There aren’t even words for how bad I think he is. he costs the Sox a lot of fans with brains.
Never listen to the Sox
so I can’t comment on Hawk. Ron though, well, everyone has summed it up already. He’s a nice guy, I feel he should be in the HOF, but he’s a terrible color guy. He doesn’t add anything to the broadcast of the game. This thread seems like deja vu.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal. (1971 loss to Habs)
With Ronnie there must be an assumption
one must take serious before ever listening:
He’s not a color guy, he’s just a cheerleader. Don’t get me wrong, I love Ronnie. He’s there simply because he has got to be the #1 former player that truly bleeds for his team as a broadcaster.
Harrelson on the other hand simply sucks. When I compare the TV PbP guys on each side of town I realize just how lucky the Cubs are to have Len. Sox broadcasting took a HUGE hit when Rooney left after 2005. But how lucky was he to call the Sox WS in ’05 only to follow it up with the Red Birds WS in ’06…
Just win the next game...!
I never said a word about the "He Gone!" idiot
Santo’s bad, but yeah, that cornpone – schtick loser is epic – level bad. Mel Allen used to be one of the worst homer announcers – Hawk blows him away. Never heard an announcer question every single umpire call that goes against his team, not to mention holding grudges for entire seasons based on…a ball or a strike call? Complete embarrassment.
Hossa
Here’s the conversation between Rocky and Gary:
“You can pry my panda out of my cold, dead hands.”
19-88-81-2-7-10-36-4-51 : The Hawks
I think the Kovy decision broke SBN; I keep getting 503s
PD article currently has ages over 41 instead of 40 exempt from being used to soften cap hits. If that’s the case, it looks to me like they may have used the Hossa contract as the line in the sand: this far but no further.
by spokeinthebandwagon on Sep 3, 2010 5:13 PM CDT reply actions
From the beginning
I thought it was possible that a player might play out a contract like Hossa’s through its end. That could be why they drew the line there. Meanwhile, nobody would sign that Kovy contract with an expectation of playing all the way through it.
At least the Kings don't get him
Which is a plus for our team, IMHO.
It's finally official on NHL. Kovy has been signed and the lead has agreed to stop investigating the other 4 contracts.
at 3:00am ET
This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.
In other news
Im bored and desperately need to say awake for the next three hours (well 5 really, but i i can make it through 3, I think I’ll be alright). Somebody please entertain me. Isn’t that what this place is for, after all?
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
The video is old, so it's a bit rough
but this is a classic fight.
There are only two seasons in Chicago; Hockey and Construction.
that was spectacular
all those Hawks on the bench with one leg over the wall….looked like puppies waiting to chase a ball, but who were being told “STAY!!!” And Kimble’s hair was spectacular. And the tow sprawled out behind the net in the 2nd brawl looking just kind of lovey-dovey or something (couldn’t tell who it was).
Reminded me of a clip someone posted before the SCF of a Flyers-Sentators game where so many people got tossed that each bench only had 2-3 players left on it (including Sharp for the Flyers, who took a face-off — kind of. He really just got there, dropped the gloves, and got tossed).
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
by puppetmasterp on Sep 5, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Typical Roenick
People can say what they want, but he was completely unafraid of taking anyone on, including most of the Goons in the league at that time. He took on guys who had over 60 lbs. on him, including large reaches. Unreal player, and tough as nails – particularly in the corners.
That was a great one
That clip makes me miss the days when jerseys didn’t have fight straps.
"Kane is skating as if his mullet is on fire." - 6/9/10, 10:06PM CST
Here's another "classic" fight
1982 playoffs, Hawks down 7-1 to the Stars at the old barn. The Hawks are just headhunting in the 3rd period (it was often not a good idea to get a huge lead back then, especially in the Norris). Multiple fights break out in the crowd. After the first minutes or so of the clip, all you see are Andy Frain ushers and Chicago cops beating the shit out of the “perpetrators” i.e., the Stars fans. Apparently the cops and ushers weren’t taking the loss to the Stars very well and needed a release.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIBTjkpt_pc&feature=related
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet Home Chicago!
by ChicagoNativeSon on Sep 7, 2010 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions
You never saw the Andy Frain ushers in the 3rd deck in those days
And I mean, never. I used to sit up there with my friends and not only watch the fights in that section (and try to stay out of them), but also watch entire metal aisle – separators get taken off their moorings and passed back to the rear, where the giant baffles were located. The ushers never made an appearance, for good reason.
Pretty cool video you should all check out!
especially if you are planning on picking up NHL 11 tomorrow!
http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/61024/nhl-11/videos/nhl11_trl_hockeyteam_81210.html
Drink it up!
In Stanley we trust! 34,38,61, and finally 2010!!!
Apropos of absolutely nothing
Is it common knowledge that Hossa owns a freaking perogi factory in Slovakia? Here’s a pic of him eating perogis out of the cup and the story:
Interestingly, Martin Havlat attended his wedding.
at least he has a liner bowl in the Cup
Preparing my psyche for the coming Capocalypse
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Probably because he's heard what else has been in that cup.
Including a poopy diapered baby.
39 years of pain vaporized by one OT goal. (1971 loss to Habs)
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