Atop The Sugar Pile
by SamFels on Jan 27, 2011 1:31 PM CST
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My turn, a little late. But I'm always a little late...
The Terrifying Lows
Corey Crawford - First time he's appeared on this side, but let's face it, some of the goals let in against Philly and Minnesota weren't in the acceptable category. He took an ice age to get back in the net on a couple scrambles, and left Martin Havlat a barn door invitation with Marty did not turn down. Perhaps fatigue is starting to set in? It shouldn't be, as he's had as many as 60 starts in the A. Still, the last two times he's been asked to go back to back he gave up three goals in each, so Q shouldn't be so afraid of Marty Turco coming out to check his shadow every so often.
Marlboro 72 - Pretty much a disaster against Philly and Minnesota. The Hawks will go nowhere unless this case of mental-ebola is eradicated from their star d-men. A horrific turnover by Seabrook for the Wild's first with some "meh" defending from Keith to boot, getting pantsed on a 3-on-2, and then letting Pierre-Marc Bouchard check out timeshare prices in front on a scramble. Everything they can do wrong they have been.
The Dizzying Highs
Troy Brouwer - Hard to believe he was the object of derision in the early part of the season, as he was bounced around from line to line and role to role. But he's been the Hawks best forward for the past couple weeks, getting his nose dirty, being physical, and setting up base camp in the opponent's crease. He hasn't even needed Patrick Kane to give a shit to score, so imagine what it might look like when Kaner is less worried about getting it out of his pants and playing hockey. Will that day ever come?
The Creamy Middles
Bryan Bickell - Strange to put him here when he hasn't scored, but for the past couple games Travis slowly is starting to play to his size. If Bicks can start throwing his weight around a little more, he'll give the Hawks something they don't have enough of which is jam. Hopefully it can continue.
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from where i’m sitting, there are serious mental problems plaguing this team, and they’ve infected the stars, not the role players. Maybe the hawks will get their shit together and make a run to the playoffs, and maybe they won’t. Either way, I don’t think there is any reality where the hawks repeat, and i almost hope for an early playoff exit, if only to serve as a slap upside the head to everyone making over $3m a year.
They’ll have to hit rock bottom to unfuck their heads (maybe thats even missing the playoffs).
The most frustrating part of this season is that, very simply, if the top guys played consistently well, we’d be murdering people.
Re: Either way, I don’t think there is any reality where the hawks repeat...
All you have to do is look at teams like Philadelphia, Detroit, Boston, and Montreal last year to draw inspiration from. Once the playoffs start, providing the ’Hawks make it, everything goes out the window and everyone gets a fresh new start – a new lease on life if you will.
This is a team that nobody wants to face come playoff time as they could do some serious damage to teams like Detroit and Vancouver. Once you get past them, I’m willing to concede that the ‘Hawks are a better team than what’s left.
It's January and we're still awaiting the arrival of the defending Stanley Cup Champions who have apparently arrived to the party drunk unwilling to consistently be competitive ... nor care to change.
Just get in the playoffs
Thats all I ask and want. I dont need a “rock bottom”. This team has been through that for years and finally have a team that contend again so no offense but fuck that. As Hawks61 said get in the playoffs and it’s a new start and a whole new level. I wouldn’t want to play them if the Hawks can get on a streak. I have faith they will get it together after this break. I see everyone actually enjoying getting away on the road for some fun and wins. About 30 games to play your best hockey to date isn’t asking too much
They are going to need 40 points to make it in
90 won’t be enough this year – the conference is too competitive.
That means we need to see 20 wins out of the final 32 games. Three more with Detroit, ending the season with a home at home with them, two with the Lightning, two with the Blues, one with the Canucks, one with the Capitals, one with the Bruins, one with the Penguins.
What have they done this year to lead any of you to believe they can win at a .666 percentage?
They have the talent – what they seem to lack is the heart. They will be lucky to make the seven or eight seed at best this year.
by Return of the Roar on Jan 27, 2011 10:01 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed. Once the playoffs start anything can happen.
It sound stupid, but Im more confident about this team in the playoffs than I am during the regular season. When the stakes are raised, the Good Hawks usually show up.
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Ditto jrs23
I never expected a repeat. That’s simply unrealistic in today’s NHL. I’ve said all along that — as a season-ticket holder — all I want is regular playoff appearances, with trips to the conference finals every few years or so and once or twice a decade a legit shot at the Cup.
This year’s team is certainly frustrating. And a failure to make the playoffs will definitely sting, given the fact that they are, on paper, still quite talented. But I also think it’s still quite likely they’ll qualify. (As long as we don’t lose to Vancouver in the playoffs!)
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)
That will beyond sting.
The Hawks will become a joke in the hockey blogosphere. Any of us who banter with Wings fan friends are absolutely dreading the possibility of missing the playoffs. We wont ever here the end of it.
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Not only that but
The marketing and all the hard work to get the team relevant again. Granted it’s not the Bears but without making the playoffs there will be a drop in sales or something
Agreed. The buzz around town will take a major major hit....especially with the Bulls and Derrick Rose starting to rise.
Personally, I enjoyed last year going to bars and seeing the Hawks game being played on the big TVs and the Bulls being relegated to the corner small screens. That could all change over night if the Hawks miss the playoffs. Its going to be very bad for hockey in Chicago if the Hawks regress……in addition to becoming a league wide joke. Some people say missing the playoffs can be a good thing in a roundabout way….I disagree 100%. Itll be a major disaster.
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major disaster is absolutely too strong of a description
It will kill hawks buzz a bit, but for those of us who don’t pride ourselves on “bantering” with red wings fans, it will be disappointing, but we’ll start to talk about next year and that will be that. And then the next time the Hawks are in the playoffs, the UC will be full and rocking.
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I disagree
You can be as sarcastic as you want, we will be the butt of jokes for a long time, just as the Hurricanes were. The ripple effects have also gone unmentioned. Will Free Agents still see this as THE place to come play hockey? Corey Crawford wont have that invaluable experience under his belt. Same with Leddy-Dowell and the rest. Infighting could occur, Patrick Kane will have an extra month and a half to drink….
I dont think we will miss the playoffs, but I think the consequences of missing them are bad and the “next year” talk reminds me of a team I despise…
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So what if we are the butt of jokes
We were that way not too long ago. At times we still are the joke (bandwagon fan jokes anyone?). It’s Chicago sports. All of our teams have some dark times. This time the fans may stick around which will be the difference. Sure some fans may leave, but do you really think there aren’t more fans waiting in the wings to scoop up some of those tickets? I know if the ticket prices were cheaper I would personally go to more games and I even have to drive 70 miles to get to the UC.
Cheering on the Blackhawks long before "Remember the Roar" in 1993 and beyond "One Goal" which was achieved in 2010.
Wait a minute. I’ll keep reading, but are my Hawks friends talking about the possibility of the marketing taking a hit, and a major disaster not making the playoffs ( It is looking more like the inevitable Hockey Gods matchup of us taking first and you guys getting eighth.)…after winning the hardest trophy to win, and the first in 50 years?
Wow Chicago is a tough sports town huh?
Win or get the fuck out, you whiny "knee sprained " hippy! ;-)
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by vancitydan on Jan 27, 2011 10:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
we dont tolerate losers in this town
unless they are lovable
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by LanceFister3 on Jan 27, 2011 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
Really? But the Bears haven’t won since 86 right? Hawks were 1st since ’49 or something, Cubs since the turn of the last century ( we just turned another one! )
White Sox won recently though right? The Bulls are looking good for the first time since MJ?
You mean competitive teams right? We all want those.
Or maybe I missed something in the cross border translation…
(Just having some fun with you Lance, I get what you are saying…LOL )
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The Cubs are better known as
“Lovable losers”.
I guess when all the other Chicago teams are losing, they are just losers.
The Cubs are better known as
“Lovable losers”.
I guess when all the other Chicago teams are losing, they are just losers.
hey triumvirate, there's something wrong with the acoustics in here
I hear an echo, echo, echo
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by LanceFister3 on Jan 28, 2011 12:25 AM CST up reply actions
Hell…I want them to win.
Since Boston won, I really thought they were next when Sweet Lou went there.
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Bears haven't won since '86
And in case you haven’t been paying attention, most of the sports fans in this town were unable to grasp the fact that the Packers were a better team than the Bears this year, so they’ve resorted to accusing the QB of faking an injury.
The whole city turned on the guy in approximately 6 seconds… so yeah, I’d say it’s a bit of a tough sports town. Actually, I would call it an ADD sports town… I’ll be most people turned their attention to the Bulls before the Bears game was even over.
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by HungryHungryPanda on Jan 28, 2011 7:08 AM CST up reply actions
re: first paragraph
Aristotle and I talked it over and agree that this is fucking idiotic.
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And like that, he's gone. Went underground. Nobody's seen him since. He becomes a legend, a spook story criminals tell their kids at night.
to clarify
by “this”, i mean HHP’s breathtaking illogic.
And like that, he's gone. Went underground. Nobody's seen him since. He becomes a legend, a spook story criminals tell their kids at night.
I don't disagree with HHP
The Bears only beat the Packers because of dumb packer penalties in week 3. We can argue whether this is a sign of a bad team, or something else going on. The Packers also had a ton more injuries to key players. In terms of personnel, the Packers have the better team. But, to be technical, bears fans arent really accusing Cutler of faking an injury, just not being enough of a tough SOB to play through it…are we allowed to talk about this here, or should we take this to WCG?
Also, are people really paying attention to the Bulls? I know they are good, but there doesnt seem to be a lot of buzz around them.
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by LanceFister3 on Jan 28, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
here's an abridged version of your comment
“I too struggle with elementary rules of logic.”
And like that, he's gone. Went underground. Nobody's seen him since. He becomes a legend, a spook story criminals tell their kids at night.
Okay
Exactly what part of the comments do you not agree with or are somehow against elementary rules of logic?
Seeing as almost all of the conversation is an opinion that is based mostly on assumptions and personal interpretation, I don’t see how they violated elementary rules of logic.
ok
1. “the Packers were a better team.” In logic, this is what is known as a premise- i.e. asserted, not proved.
2. “Bear fans were unable to grasp #1”. This is another premise.
3. Therefore, Bear fans accuse Cutler of faking an injury. This is a conclusion- i.e. something that follows necessarily from the premises.
Let’s assume for a moment that the premises are true. In what way does this conclusion follow? Epic logic fail.
Of course, in logic, it’s important also to examine whether your premises are in fact true statements.
Well, #2 can only be true if #1 is true.
And as for #1, well that’s debatable, although I have no interest in engaging HHP in this debate, since the whole point of his or her comment is to score douchebag points against Bear fans. Perhaps s/he wasn’t trying to be an asshole (i’m skeptical), but when you succeed so dramatically, does intent really matter?
And like that, he's gone. Went underground. Nobody's seen him since. He becomes a legend, a spook story criminals tell their kids at night.
Thanks
I was curious more if you problem was with the idea the packers were a better team or the idea that Bears fans didn’t think Cutler was a tough enough SOB to play through it.
Although in re-reading, I think you are using both the original poster HHP and Lance’s comments together and I think that is why your comment baffled me as much as it did. Lance to me just made two statements that the Packers were a better team and that Bears fans think Cutler should’ve been tougher and played through the injury. So I didn’t exactly see how there was a complaint about logic when it was basically opinions.
Wow, talk about trying to be an asshole
And for the record, I am a male. I only mention it so that your next idiotic reply to me can be slightly shorter.
Also, I’m not trying to score douchebag points (what are these?) against Bears fans.
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by HungryHungryPanda on Jan 28, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
having an opinion different than yours is being an asshole now?
I’m sorry I don’t bow down to your exemplary opinions and logic.
For the record, I wasn’t trying to connect my view of the Packers being the better team and bears’ fans anger at Cutler.
anyway, thats the last thing I’m saying about this….moving on
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by LanceFister3 on Jan 29, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
Weren’t you pissed at another poster for acting like he knew everything and no one else’s opinions/thoughts mattered?
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by LanceFister3 on Jan 28, 2011 5:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i owe you an apology
i was aggravated that you missed my main point, but, in retrospect, i was not being perfectly clear, and you got swept up in the collateral damage. sorry.
Bear fans can be criticized for being meatballs re: Cutler. I got no problem with that.
And maybe temperatures were a bit raised because it was the Packards, but I’m guessing Cutler woulda caught flak from meatballs regardless of who the Bears were playing. It was the NFC Championship after all.
To further divine that the motivation for this meatball behavior was that Bear fans know the Packers are better but are in denial on the matter…there’s no basis for this whatsoever, and I can only conclude it was calculated to piss people off. mission accomplished.
And like that, he's gone. Went underground. Nobody's seen him since. He becomes a legend, a spook story criminals tell their kids at night.
You seem to be the only one who got pissed, Cliff
Looks to me like it was more of a misinterpretation on your part than a calculated provocation on my part.
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by HungryHungryPanda on Jan 28, 2011 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
Not allowed to gang up
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by burpchelischili on Jan 29, 2011 6:18 AM CST up reply actions
I kind of disagree.
Both defenses gave up 14 points on Sunday. But for a 3rd string QB’s pick-6, that’s anyone’s game.
Also, discipline is part of a “good” team. Taking 18 penalties says to me that one aspect of your team’s game is not very good. And it takes some skill to exploit that, which the Bears did in that game.
by Katherine215 on Jan 28, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
@ LanceFister3
People in my office are talking a lot more about the Bulls than they are about the Hawks.
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I agree
I hear way more about the Bulls than Blackhawks. But even last year until the playoffs I felt the same way. So may just be the sports people I work with.
not in my office
those who are in to sports (albeit, not a huge number) are rabid hockey and football fans.
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by puppetmasterp on Jan 28, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
I wish I was in your office.
The Hawks were all the rage last season during the playoffs. Now its all Bulls and Bears. One guy said none of our clients are asking for the firms Hawks tickets but everyone wants to go see DRose.
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Tell them i'm a client
and I want their Hawks tickets.
by Katherine215 on Jan 28, 2011 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
ditto
I’m am completely willing to pose as a client for your sake.
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by puppetmasterp on Jan 28, 2011 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
Whoa there.
Not all of us tolerate those losers. Pretty much everyone but diehard Cubs fans realize them for what they are: a laughingstock who pride themselves on being losers.
Wasn't meant to be
I wasn’t calling Cubs fans losers. Sorry if that was confusing.
yes but Cubs fans are protective of their players as well
oddly enough
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by puppetmasterp on Jan 28, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
I don't really think you should comment on the Cubs
as you evidently have no knowledge of the team or its fans.
Since we just got spanked by McClure for off topic commentary that escalates and deviates, I question how you can think your choice to take shots at the Cubs wouldn’t spark a disagreement (which I’ve no interest in participating in, other than pointing this out).
by Katherine215 on Jan 28, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
Wow.
How’s that not inflammatory if you think mine was? Since you purport to know me, I feel I should point out how incorrect you are: Half my family and quite a few friends are Cubs fans, all of whom have referred to them as loveable “losers”. Mark Grace and Ryne Sandberg are some of my all-time fav players. But you’re right, I know nothing of the team or their fans.
I had no idea that joking about not all of Chicago loving the “loveable losers” was so terrible. Lesson learned. Won’t do it again.
The butt of jokes thing is ridiculous
If you want to argue that the team won’t draw enough fans for Rocky to allow Stan to push the cap, ok.
As a free agent destination thing really shouldn’t be a concern. It’s a major sports market that still has a young core, who is a year removed from winning a Stanley cup. This is Chicago, man, not Carolina.
The next year talk might be annoying, but the “oh my, but what will the people say” inferiority complex reminds me of another team in town…..
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I don’t think its that insane to not want your team to be a laughingstock. But not being a Cub fan, I sort of forget what that’s like :)…you have a point about the free agents being more likely to come to Chicago than other cities based on our city being just awesome…..the playoff experience concern and ownerships willingness to push for victory still linger in my mind..
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by HjammerTime on Jan 27, 2011 5:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hack didn’t say he wanted the team to be a laughingstock. Who would? You don’t have to be a Cub’s fan to know this. Do you really feel deep down that we won’t be contenders for years to come? Will Wirtz not do everything in his power to keep the fans and the players here?
Cheering on the Blackhawks long before "Remember the Roar" in 1993 and beyond "One Goal" which was achieved in 2010.
I didnt say I prided myself on banter with Wings fans. Simply that it would be annoying as hell.
I hope and pray this Wirtz will do all of thay. As far as the Cubs thing, I simply mentioned that I thought this Hawks team was beyond having to look to “next year”
And yes, I do believe the Hawks will be a powerhouse the next generation. I just want them to have something to build off of next season and I think consequences of missing the playoffs will be greater than people anticipate.
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Playoffs
I guess I am just of the mindset of we will have to see what comes. Would it feel devestating to not make the playoffs? Of course it would. I really think we will make it there and then we won’t have to deal with any consequences. I’m just sick of all the “sky is falling” talk (I’m not implying you are doing this so please don’t take it that way). We have the talent. I’m not sure why they aren’t playing well together right now. Is there a problem in the locker room? Are they rebelling against something Q is doing? Who knows, but deep down I feel that we will make it to the postseason.
Cheering on the Blackhawks long before "Remember the Roar" in 1993 and beyond "One Goal" which was achieved in 2010.
Im with you 100% on this team making the playoffs.
Like Ive said a few times, I dont see how anyone could pick the Ducks-Preds and Coyotes to outplay us down the stretch. We have too much talent and leadership to watch those guys run away. The reasons they cant put it all together are a total mystery. I pray that the scenario of them rebelling against Q is not true because we have a major problem on our hands if thats the case.
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Being the butt of joke and packing the house
are not mutually exclusive. I think there is a high probability the Hawks make the playoffs. I could give a flying fuck about jokes. If it happens, these players should learn an important lesson. And the United Center will be packed next year.
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LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
Unless every single member of our core leaves
There’s no way in hell you can convince me that if we fail to make the playoffs this year, free agents will stay away from here as if it were plague-infested. That was the hawks when Brian Campbell was signed, or the islanders now. That kind of pit takes more than one bad year to create. And Patrick Kane will have an extra month and a half to feel embarrassment and start his training early.
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by puppetmasterp on Jan 27, 2011 5:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's not like we lost 11 in a row.
We have potential. It’s just getting the players to live up to it that has been the problem.
Cheering on the Blackhawks long before "Remember the Roar" in 1993 and beyond "One Goal" which was achieved in 2010.
I think everyone pretty much agress this team will make it.
Hopefully ghis whole convo was unnecessary
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by HjammerTime on Jan 27, 2011 5:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
There are worse teams than the Isles,
or at least one of them is worse. Aren’t the devils ranked below the Isles? Sigh, but yeah, free agents just ain’t beating down the door to get to Long Island.
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by burpchelischili on Jan 27, 2011 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry dear
It’s just that isles jokes are so easy to make! :)
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by puppetmasterp on Jan 27, 2011 11:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah,
I think they are leading the league in games lost to injury again this year. They did manage to end the Crosby scoring streak though.
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by burpchelischili on Jan 28, 2011 5:12 AM CST up reply actions
Its the owners and stability too.
Brad Richards was quoted as saying the next place he went to, that would have as much impact as the hockey team.
Mind you, he has spent a fair amount of time in “non traditional hockey markets”.
Nuck’s Misconduct Reverend/ Church of the kesLORD, Bishop in the 1st Church of the Luongod. Luongo then paused before mentioning that since there are only six Cdn. teams in a 30-team NHL, it only stands to reason it's tough on the Cdn. clubs to win it. "But that streak is going to end at some point, right?," Luongo added with a smirk. #1 getting with the NM program 1/27/11
Its the owners and stability too.
Brad Richards was quoted as saying the next place he went to, that would have as much impact as the hockey team.
Mind you, he has spent a fair amount of time in “non traditional hockey markets”.
Nuck’s Misconduct Reverend/ Church of the kesLORD, Bishop in the 1st Church of the Luongod. Luongo then paused before mentioning that since there are only six Cdn. teams in a 30-team NHL, it only stands to reason it's tough on the Cdn. clubs to win it. "But that streak is going to end at some point, right?," Luongo added with a smirk. #1 getting with the NM program 1/27/11
Its the owners and stability too.
Brad Richards was quoted as saying the next place he went to, that would have as much impact as the hockey team.
Mind you, he has spent a fair amount of time in “non traditional hockey markets”.
Nuck’s Misconduct Reverend/ Church of the kesLORD, Bishop in the 1st Church of the Luongod. Luongo then paused before mentioning that since there are only six Cdn. teams in a 30-team NHL, it only stands to reason it's tough on the Cdn. clubs to win it. "But that streak is going to end at some point, right?," Luongo added with a smirk. #1 getting with the NM program 1/27/11
Thats weird. There have been gremlins in SBN lately. I swear I only posted once!
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I think the Isles should move to Chicago,
NYC doesn’t deserve three teams. (4 with Buffalo)
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by burpchelischili on Jan 28, 2011 5:17 AM CST up reply actions
I almost wonder if he'd train
or if he’d just see it as more time to party and…uh “get it in.”
When reselling season tickets
Assuming a mid-week, mid-level, non-rival opponent I have seen demand fluctuate as a result of recent play. A few games in either direction has a pretty noticeable effect on what people are willing to pay
Afroman likes tall cans.
In the resale market.
The tickets are sold once already.
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LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
it's still a good gauge of fan interest
and may affect the number of season ticket holders going forward, if the secondary market is seen as weak.
San Francisco Giants: your 2010 WORLD SERIES CHAMPS.
Chicago Blackhawks: 2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPS.
best. year. ever.
On February 3, 2009
the future Stanley Cup winning Penguins were 24-23-5. all is not lost.
by Katherine215 on Jan 27, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder if all these season-turnaround stories are getting into the hawks' heads
They saw Detroit, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, etc turn their seasons around late to get into the playoffs, and now they are being compared to those teams. I get the sense that they expect this is going to happen to them too. That at some point the switch will flip and they will dominate their way into the playoffs. This is what scares me about this team. They win a couple games and start feeling too good about themselves and expect it will just continue and everything has figured itself out.
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by LanceFister3 on Jan 27, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
Now this
Is a valid concern. It could happen. But now they have to get past “could” and make it happen.
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by puppetmasterp on Jan 27, 2011 5:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Detroit was injuries...
But didn’t the other two have to do with coaching changes as well?
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Yup.
Detroit had a lot of talent out for a long period of time with a lot of Grand Rapids players coming in to fill the void, not to mention Jimmy Howard’s growing pains. A lot of people forget he had some struggles last year.
Philly had the Stevens firing / adjusting to Laviolette issue last year, and the Pens had to cope with the firing of Therrien and adjustment to Bylsma.
Basically none of these situations are very comparable- none of them were coming off Cup wins the season prior, Detroit had more long term / serious injuries, and the Pens and Flyers struggled horribly under their previous coaches to warrant his firing (not to mention the lack of a Cup under his belt didn’t provide a safety net).
You could almost say the Hawks have done JUST well enough this season to keep calls for Q’s job from being seriously considered.
by dangles we can believe in on Jan 28, 2011 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
Different year, different conference
These feel-good turnaround stories are just that—-stories. In this year’s Western Conference, I’m not encouraged by looking at what a team did two years ago in a different (and weaker) conference.
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by HungryHungryPanda on Jan 27, 2011 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
it's something positive
and there’s very little of that around here.
by Katherine215 on Jan 28, 2011 12:58 AM CST up reply actions
I agree, the stories are just stories, but there is a lot of positive
We have a young team with a fuckload of upside capable of explosive offensive output if just ONE of our best players gets his shit together or gets hot and goes on a tear, how many of the games have we lost where the story could’ve been completely different if one of them buries one of their scoring chances?
by dangles we can believe in on Jan 28, 2011 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
I think there's still a problem with the role players
in terms of them not knowing what their role is. I think this conversation has been had before, but if the 4th line should be grinders, they are not fulfilling their role. Instead Skille, for example, is flying all over the ice, which often leads to him being stripped of the puck, out of position, or running through his teammates lanes. Maybe they are just tryin gto make the most of their limited ice time and trying to secure their position on the team, I don’t know, but i think clearly defined roles would help settle them down too.
by justforkicks on Jan 27, 2011 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah. Skille is in a tough spot. This is the year he has to prove himself to the entire league. In a contract year, as a former 1st Rd pick, there is probably some pressure from his agent and himself to put the puck in the net and to show he can move with it and that demand conflicts with the role the Hawks have in mind for him, which is simply to bang and crash.
Im not saying he is disobeying orders but that friction is there and it has to be frustrating.
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That makes sense. I tend to think Stalberg has that problem too. There’s still a lot I have to learn about Hockey, but to my untrained eye, it seems like a lot of time he (and Skille) hold on to the puck and try to do it on their own when there is either a clear passing lane or the smartest move would be to dump the puck. We talk about the top guys needed to be more selfish and shoot the puck instead of passing – I feel like the opposite is the tendency with those two.
by justforkicks on Jan 27, 2011 6:18 PM CST up reply actions
Even people who grew up watching hockey still have much to learn from this new game....its always evolving
Really, bandwagon Hawks fans are only 5 years behind everyone else with all the new rules. The whole game is different.
As for Skille, I think your right on target. He just skates right at the net as if passing is penalized. He would do well to pull up sometimes and just take a look. It appears he has the tenacity and desire, some smarts and a little bit of luck are whats missing right now.
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Skille always no matter what drove towards the net
When he played for the Hogs. Drove me as nuts then as it does now.
by 815Sox on Jan 27, 2011 10:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yup.
He’s done that since I played with him years and YEARS ago, only difference is the talent gap has finally closed in and his shot isn’t hard enough to get through anymore.
He is in a tough spot, and his playing style would be absolutely perfect for his role IF he had two other true grinders playing with him. If you were to swap out Stalberg for someone like Ben Eager or even a Adam Burish you have a situation on your hands because you have a guy constantly tearing around the ice bringing the puck to the net and two guys who will crash, chip and chase at every opportunity.
I think for the point that was brought up earlier, if Skille just chips the puck into the zone versus lugging it in at a 3:4 ratio you have the makings of an awesome 4th line player. Hell, if his shot continues to develop you have a dangerous player on any line which is exactly why he still has a job here, we just have to hope for this improvement to come sooner than later (as I fear it might).
by dangles we can believe in on Jan 28, 2011 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
dizzying highs?
I felt dizzy and high when Brouwer missed a wide open net tuesday night…..twice.
as good as he’s been, hopefully someone let him know that you have to deposit those silly easy ones too from time to time.
"...can i have a glass of whiskey and a slice of bread?"
He got 1 back that night
Granted he should of nailed that first one but give props to Backstrom to getting back.
there was another in the 3rd he whiffed at as well
looked up at the roof of the UC after he missed the fucking puck and swore, eh.
I love the way he and Bicks have been playing. They seem to be the only two on the team who are willing and able put someone in the boards and on their ass.
Just, ya know, feel free to take that shot a little quicker on a wide open net and try not to miss the puck completely while staring at another wide open net. thats all. minor quibbles.
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There were some good opportunities in that game
that the team just couldn’t seem to convert on. Including Keith’s shot that hit the bar.
by justforkicks on Jan 27, 2011 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
That game was infuriating
I’ve never left a game that mad before. Then my cab driver started trying to convince me that people only go to see hockey for the fights. Lets just say it was not a pleasant ride home.
The Sugar Pile is looking more like a Steaming Pile.
I still hold out hope that we can outplay Anaheim Phoenix and Nashville. This team has more talent than any of those.
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THIS SITE has the ’Hawks around 75% chance of making the Playoffs.
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by NesterenkosGhost on Jan 27, 2011 3:51 PM CST reply actions
oops
i meant a “65%” chance (65.8 to be exact)
Sharks only 42%
by NesterenkosGhost on Jan 27, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
In my ongoing effort to spread my eternal optimism
I will share this nugget of perspective – last year’s Cup foe stood at 26-22-3 for 55 points at this time last year.
Oh, and my cat’s breath smells like cat food.
Now is that a real poncho or is that a Sears poncho?
They also had a ton of guys injured. We dont have anyone out.
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Does that mean they can't get their shit together and play better after the All Star break?
Cheering on the Blackhawks long before "Remember the Roar" in 1993 and beyond "One Goal" which was achieved in 2010.
What about what Katherine said
On February 3, 2009 the future Stanley Cup winning Penguins were 24-23-5. all is not lost.
Or were they all injury laden as well? Even if they were, there is no reason why the Hawk’s can’t get it together this year.
by justforkicks on Jan 27, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
Plus
They had just fired their coach who had gotten them that record.
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by puppetmasterp on Jan 27, 2011 5:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah...
The biggest thing the Pens dealt with that season was finding secondary scoring and support players while adjusting to the systems Bylsma was attempting to implement. Eventually Shero got Bylsma the right guys for what he wanted to do and you had a Cup-contending team.
So no, that situation has absolutely nothing to do with ours at all.
by dangles we can believe in on Jan 28, 2011 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
Kane is a huge problem
He is supposed to be filling up the net. Most times he is skating around like he is high chasing butterflys.
This season is shitty not because of the replacement players but rather the epic fail of "most’ of our stars.
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there isn't a doubt in my mind
that Dunc’s dropoff has been worse and more impactful than Kane’s. Certainly not absolving Kane though.
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You know who else is a huge problem?
Keith. You know who else has dropped off in production or impact from the start of the season – Hossa. And frankly I wish Toews was powerhousing his way through like he did when 81 and 88 were out but he’s not. Sharp scores goal (mostly, at least lately, on PP and it seems like always on a feed from Kane) but his backchecking is nonexistant. They are ALL culpable, and guilty of playing lazy and/or making mistakes. I am by no means saying Kane is blameless, mind, but it drives me nuts that somehow it always comes back to kane is lazy or drunk or dragging the team down. I look at the team right now and I can’t pinpoint a single player who is shining 100% of the time.
by justforkicks on Jan 27, 2011 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
Kane's backchecking
hasn’t been non-existent as I’ve seen it. Kane is carrying a -8, but it’s not like he just floats in the neutral zone on every shift. He isn’t one of the team’s strongest backcheckers, but he does backcheck. Could and should Kane’s backchecking improve, yes, I just take umbrage with the term non-existent.
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Wasn't clear - I meant Sharps backchecking has been nonexistant (though that's an exaggeration as well I'm sure)
I have seen Kane backchecking and checking some people (or trying to), though it’ll never compare to his hit on Oduya (that I still can’t find on youtube).
I think Kane could be better, but I think he has been getting there. He should shoot more, sure, but he’s created some good chances that haven’t been converted on.
by justforkicks on Jan 27, 2011 6:11 PM CST up reply actions
my list of culprits
1. Duncan Keith
2. Patrick Kane
3. Coach Q
4. Marian Hossa
5. Dave Bolland (recent play has him on the way out of this list if he continues it)
my list of heroes
1. Brian Campbell
2. Corey Crawford
3. Patrick Sharp
4. Brent Seabrook
5. Tomas Kopecky
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by LanceFister3 on Jan 27, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
Gotta have Brouwer before Kopecky
and Toews before Seabs
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Moulson re-signs with Islanders. Semin with Washington.
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Yes!
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by burpchelischili on Jan 27, 2011 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
My list of problems
1. The Hawks need to SHOOT more
2. They are playing on ice and need to SKATE
3. Quite often, they could use a little HIT SOMEONE
4. TWEET TWEET TWEET
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by hairhelmet on Jan 27, 2011 9:54 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
///Head Asplodes
Hating Nick Boynton since 2010.
by AirTrafficAJ on Jan 27, 2011 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
I agree,
those fans are a problem.
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by burpchelischili on Jan 28, 2011 5:18 AM CST up reply actions
You forgot
We shouldn’t have gotten rid of Buff
Cheering on the Blackhawks long before "Remember the Roar" in 1993 and beyond "One Goal" which was achieved in 2010.
Can one imagine Crawford's numbers
if our top d-line played like they did last year?
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Fantasy Draft
Anyone excited about that tonight? I’m looking forward to seeing who goes where.
Staal is going to grab Ward first i’m sure but I wonder who Lindstrom is going to take? Ovie? Based on performance I would say no but I have no clue
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by krome on Jan 28, 2011 9:43 AM CST reply actions 8 recs
WOOHOO!!!
oh…but you failed to make your post hockey related. :)
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by puppetmasterp on Jan 28, 2011 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
cancer free = hopefully lives longer
which then means more hockey to watch and discuss
Cheering on the Blackhawks long before "Remember the Roar" in 1993 and beyond "One Goal" which was achieved in 2010.
and play too, don't forget
krome actually knows how to play hockey, unlike many of us…..
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by puppetmasterp on Jan 28, 2011 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
Excellent news
and screw the “hockey only” mandate.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
by Badgerdano on Jan 28, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Congrats!
Live long and hockily prosper!
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by burpchelischili on Jan 28, 2011 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
Blues thinking of moving Erik Johnson?
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/263412-blues-could-move-johnson-for-help-up-front
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Scoring a goal on your own net will always come back to bite you in the ass.
Cheering on the Blackhawks long before "Remember the Roar" in 1993 and beyond "One Goal" which was achieved in 2010.
Ditto for burp
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