Morning Links - (11/11)
by JuliaM on Nov 11, 2011 8:21 AM CST
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A 6-3 stomping of the worst team in the league might be a bit of a confidence booster, but issues remain, namely the penalty kill, which will face the best road PP in the league tonight. Yes, the Calgary Flames are coming to town, spurred on by the single manly tear of Jarome Iginla, ready to take advantage of some stupid penalties. It's to be hoped that the quick turn-around will maintain focus without wearying, and they'll continue to right the ship.
And thank you to all vets for your service and sacrifice, today and every day.
- Game summary, recaps, and reflection from official sources... [Tribune] [CSN] [Sun-Times] [ESPN]
- ...and elsewhere. [Fifth Feather] [Blackhawks DL] [Hockeenight] [Third Man In] [Madhouse Enforcer]
- Bartl's Boxing [Cheer The Anthem]
- Six Blackhawks on the All Star ballot. Should we start campaigning for Hossa now, or... [Tribune] [CSN]
- It was a big night for Steve Montador. [Sun-Times] [ESPN]
- Actually it was a big night for the D in general, five of whom showed up on the board. [ESPN] [Sun-Times]
- Sean O'Donnell doesn't take being scratched personally. [Tribune]
- A win against Columbus is nice, but problems remain. Here's Cimaglia's take on the struggles from Tuesday. [MyFoxChicago]
- Another look at Tampa Bay's trap and the trolling Flyers' anti-trap. [Globe and Mail] [SI]
- Friedman's 30 Thoughts are always worth a look. [CBC]
- Kris Versteeg got a hat trick, and the Panthers lead the Southeast. [CBC]
- Flames/Hawks game preview. [nhl.com]
- ETA: Cimaglia on last night's victory. [MyFoxChicago]
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Versteeg
He’s that rapper guy, right?
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
No that’s some guy at Penn State.. wait, what?
by Rob PKane McMahon on Nov 11, 2011 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
Palomino
There’s absolutely nothing funny about the rape of a 10 year old child.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
never said there was, I’m actually annoyed over the situation and the fact that it gets more notice because of football than anything else
by Rob PKane McMahon on Nov 11, 2011 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
THIS ENDS HERE
/McClure’d
And please, let’s actually end it here.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Nov 11, 2011 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
and for the record I honestly had misread “rapper” at the time of reading the comment and was legit confused
by Rob PKane McMahon on Nov 11, 2011 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
thank you
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Nov 11, 2011 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
Look at that hair.
Versteeg looks like he belongs in a fucking Ozarks meth lab.
Cheertheanthem.com
by HjammerTime on Nov 11, 2011 9:36 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
eh
Plenty of meth labs in rural Florida too.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
Rec for the Ozarks meth lab mention
I lived in the Ozarks for a while, sadly. Two summers ago I went camping with some buddies in the heart of Deliverance country. While we were chilling on a river bluff drinking, we saw this flash in the distance and heard a BOOM a few seconds later. Came to find out the next day that it was a meth lab that literally blew up in someone’s face.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
That's nuts.
My gf just forced me to watch Winters Bone. I wanted to blow my brains out every second of it. Depressing as hell.
Cheertheanthem.com
best movie of last year
that is all.
I think I'm an honorary Slovakian. I'm starting to learn (the language). I know all the swear words now, anyway. Patrick Sharp
Verbeauty looks terrible
Ladd on the other hand…
"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Harry Potter
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Nov 11, 2011 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
Still pretty meh over last night's game
not much to feel all that good about – next two games will tell whether they’ve figured their shit out.
I feel like saying to a Columbus fan
in the style of Bill Murray in Ghostbusters, “You only have 68 more to go.”
Hey, it’s cool, I was a Hawks fan through the ‘03-’04 season.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Is Sam on vacation, or is there a new Madhouse Enforcer??
I hope it’s the former and not the latter.
I noticed the new look of the site (which I liked), but one sentence into the article something felt terribly wrong (no mention of 2-7, Zing!) and then I noticed the name was wrong too.
That article was the epitome of banality.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Nov 11, 2011 9:29 AM CST reply actions
I don’t know, and i didn’t know what to do. If the consensus is that it’s too offensive to handle, I’ll take it down.
this combination of ballet and murder ♥
Twittars!
Ha! "too offensive"
No, just defending Sam’s voice over a lame summary from a guy who auto-generates murder report articles for NBC.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Nov 11, 2011 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
11/11/11
A date that will live in infamy… ;)
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Nov 11, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
I was wondering where Sam is as well
I saw actual quotes in the article. nope not sam and stuff that wasn’t funny.
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
trap
Could the league put rules in place to curb either the trap or the trolling Flyers’ anti-trap?
Talk about a solution in search of a problem. I guess it’s early in the year and media types just need something to talk about?
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
??
Nothing to be sorry about. No criticism of you, your wording, or choice of links implied.
Valid topic of discussion, since it’s news now. Just think people are overreacting.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
Definitely agree
re:overreaction. But you’re right. They gotta get pageviews.
this combination of ballet and murder ♥
Twittars!
So according to Fifth Feather, Bollands in a walking boot?
Consider my morning buzz officially harshed.
I bet
it’s just a place for him to hide weapons. Fabulous, fabulous weapons.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
Just noticed that Scott had more TOI
than Olesz. Not that Olesz was great or anything and playing a 4th line role, does he dress tonight? Probably so we can watch him try and pinch again
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
olesz had some nice plays though
by putmeinthemadhouse on Nov 11, 2011 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
also a penalty
but that happens.
I haven’t seen anything about Olesz that makes him totally offensive to have on the Ice. At the same time, i don’t know that he is an improvement over anyone not-scott in the lineup. Maybe he could spell stalberg for a message-sending benching, but i don’t think Stalberg needs one.
by oregon_hawk on Nov 11, 2011 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
I probably should of said Scott i was referring to
Olesz wasn’t bad or great. Just that Scott managed more ice time. So does that mean he is playing again since we won and q doesn’t mess with that when we win.
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
as long as he isn't responsible for egregious defensive lapses
like falling down and giving up a breakaway, he will play.
My biggest beef against him is when he dresses but doesn’t get to play more than 4 minutes.
If he is playing 11-15 minutes, he is a particularly heart-attack inducing #6 d-man. When he plays <4 minutes, the whole lineup has to compensate, which is fucking bullshit.
As soon as we are in a tie game going into the third, his TOI will decrease to previous levels, and my ire will be raised once again.
by oregon_hawk on Nov 11, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
3rd pairing d-men almost always have more TOI than 4th line forwards
so although I don’t think the comparison between Olesz and Scott has anything to do with it, yeah, two relatively high TOI games for Scott might mean that Q was completely correct and Scott gives the Hawks the best chance of winning.
Boy, I wish we had a whole lineup of Scotts (not Scots, although the former would cause hysteria and the latter would be hysterical).
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Nov 11, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
the Chicago Bravehearts
Has a certain ring to it…
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I was nearly in that movie..
Trufax!
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
Braveheart was filmed in Ireland..
.. so lots of Extras needed for the battle scenes.. hence they called up the Army Reserve (that I was part of at the time) to not wash, wear stinky clothes and wave their bare arse in the air (more so than we did already).. however, I pulled the “actually doing what I’m meant to be doing” detail so didn’t make it. Which is a shame for the world in general..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
During the third period
I was thinking, “Rusty – all you have to do is avoid taking a stupid meaningless penalty and you gain a rung on Bicks and Stals.” But, he just couldn’t do it.
by stanfordron on Nov 11, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
There's no pleasing some people... no offense intended. I'm just sayin'.
"Showin' her my Toews-face!"
not the worst win ever.
it was fine until the hawks knew they had CBJ well and truly beaten.
In that regard, it would have been nice to see them – in their attempt to find a higher compete level – totally curbstomp a team they had already defeated, just to show they could, but with 2 games in 3 days coming up… i’m not totally freaking out about it.
by oregon_hawk on Nov 11, 2011 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah I figured Scott got so much time in the third so others could rest with tonight's game coming up
Which may or may not have contributed to a goal or two against.
"Showin' her my Toews-face!"
hey look on the bright side
to my knowledge scott got more than 4 minutes of ice time…only took one penalty…AND didn’t get crushed by a guy half his size!…Definitely a win in my book!
when did you run into will smith!?
by desertindian on Nov 11, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Plus Scott
took a shot that didn’t break his stick and actually ended up on goal.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
you can call off the search
for a top six winger now..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
wasn't a bad shot either
he keeps up this ice-time we may need to invent a johnscott hattrick…similar to the kopecky one you guys came up with a few years ago
when did you run into will smith!?
by desertindian on Nov 11, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
easy
takes stupid penalty, breaks stick, erases Westgarths someone’s facial features..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
No, that's too difficult to accomplish
there are very few people who are actually willing to allow Scott to rearrange their faces. TomoKop completed the Kopecky hat trick virtually every game he played (at least it seemed that way), but if we make punchisizing someone’s face a part of the John Scott hat trick he’ll only have a couple of opportunities at most to complete it
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Nov 11, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
but aren't Hat Tricks meant to be difficult?
but, seriously.. hopefully Scott will only get a “couple of opportunities”.. period!
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
A hat trick should be difficult
but a specific type (i.e. not an actual hat trick) named after a player should be regularly accomplished by that player. How many Gordie Howe hat tricks did Howe have?
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Nov 11, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
i'm kidding..
and i don’t actually know the answer to that.. anyone?
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
a billion
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Nov 11, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
There already is one
three stick breaks. If it happens in one period it is a natural.
by oregon_hawk on Nov 11, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
ah! but of course!
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Scott hat trick
1. Let a perfectly good pass go between his legs
2. Lose his balance while trying to change direction on open ice
3. Get the puck stripped by someone who was 30 feet away from him when he (Scott) got the puck
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
so he gets three of those a game, right?
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
The worst part about last night
In my opinion, and McClure sort of touched on it already in the post game wrap is that Q’s goofy ass PP unit scored twice.
well. one thing that is true about Q -
if it doesn’t work, it will be changed. If it keeps working and is stupid, it isn’t stupid. If it stops working (and it will), it will be changed.
by oregon_hawk on Nov 11, 2011 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
Who cares who or what plays on the PP as long as it scores?
Same goes for the PK. Remember Sopel was a beast on the PK? That guy could barely skate anymore, but he could kill a penalty.
I’m all for whatever works. Except for the John Scott Experience. I’m not for that.
I’m not for the Bolland in a boot either, but if it helps him get back, put two boots on him
Hold My Stones
Boot has to mean a tendon
right? So that he doesn’t move it and fuck it up?
Not a sports-injury expert. My sports career was thankfully devoid of anything major.
by oregon_hawk on Nov 11, 2011 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
Could mean fracture too
After all I stayed at Holiday Inn Express.
Maybe he got a new Hossa foot?
Hold My Stones
Right, I agree but
I’m just saying. This can only reinforce Q’s tendency to trot some unconventional shit out there. Most of the time unconventional shit doesn’t pan out, which is why it’s unconventional. Unconventional is putting Scott ahead of Lepisto or OD or line shuffling against all logic. Hendrey, Kopy, and Scott was a 4th line for several games last year. Yeah yeah yeah Kane at center works.
It just seems like he could get the better results with minor tweaks rather than pummeling shit with a sledge hammer. How often have we seen 3 fwds and 2 d men on a PP? Rarely if ever. A couple games ago he had 5 forwards out there and we have yet to Kane, Hossa, Toews, Keith and Seabs as first unit. How about trying that before you get completely fucking crazy? How about you try that for more than one fucking shift? Is cohesion and chemistry worth nothing?
I swear to God, it’s not going to shock me if Fluffy starts tonight and gets slotted on the first PP unit in front of the net. And then he’ll score.
Fluffy did that for one game in the playoffs.
we lost.
by oregon_hawk on Nov 11, 2011 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
I definitely remember him on the PP
didn’t score though.
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oh i didn't see the "and then he'll score"
but he was on the PP.
by oregon_hawk on Nov 11, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
If he'd scored in that 1 opportunity
he’d still be on the 1st PP.
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Nov 11, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
I follow the logic
All these changes, even the radical ones, need time otherwise the sample size is too small.. but then that’s not as much fun as throwing all the names up in the air and letting the lines pick themselves
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
while Q cackles manically
and lightning flashes across the sky… attaches electrodes to Scott’s neck..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
"This can only reinforce Q’s tendency"
I don’t know, Skags, Q’s coached a number of games for us at this point … I think his tendencies are past the point of being reinforced by a few bad or a few good games. He is who is he is.
I saw a PP get two goals last night where it hadn’t had anything working at all. That is only good in my eyes, 100% good, no bad.
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by ChicoMaki on Nov 11, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
A pp that consisted of 2 4th liners
and 3 d men. While scoring goals is good and it’s what we want, there’s no fucking way in hell anyone can possibly think that’s a long term solution to out PP woes. Why not try a little conventional wisdom? How about putting our top 3 forwards out there with our best D pairing?
See what happens.
Just remember that we’re dead last in the league. We scored because statistically, we had too. So tonight, when Q trots out his two 4th liners and 3 D men as a second unit (and I think last night they got the first crack after scoring the first PP goal) and they once again go Ofor let’s see how you feel. Then imagine if he would have tried 19-88-81-2-7.
by Skags on Nov 11, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
brunette isnt really a '4th iner'
by putmeinthemadhouse on Nov 11, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
No, he's more of a PP specialist
who was put on the 4th line because his complete lack of speed makes him a bit of a liability 5-on-5.
And yes, on that second PPG, the 2nd PP unit did start and the 1st never got a chance to relieve them because they scored. I don’t think that was because Q thought the 2nd group was the hotter hand or anything, I’m pretty sure that it was due to either Toews and Hossa or Kane and Sharp (I can’t remember which line) being out and near the end of their shift when the penalty was called, so Q had to start the 2nd unit to give those guys a breather before trotting out the 1st unit.
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by FrankStallone on Nov 11, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
I reserve the right to make inferences to soldify my point :)
He was on the 4th line last night. The fact that now we get to debate Brunette’s role on this team is making my argument for me. He’s not “really” a 4th liner, Q just puts him there.
seewhatImean? It’s madness.
"A pp that consisted of 2 4th liners and 3 d men"
Just goes to show how deep this team is and why they have one of the most feared PPs in the league.
Wait, what?
Although the “most feared” part is completely true. By the wrong people, but true.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Nov 11, 2011 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
No, I don’t think it’s going to last long term, and I didn’t even remotely suggest that it might. I don’t see why you’re heated.
Conventional wisdom has us in last place; and conventional wisdom still devised the personnel of the first PP unit. It just needed shaking up; it needed waking up. Everyone knows that we’ll get back on track statistically, but we were in a rut and it seems to me Q pulled the right strings to at least begin getting us out of it.
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No, I don’t think it’s going to last long term, and I didn’t even remotely suggest that it might. I don’t see why you’re heated.
Conventional wisdom has us in last place; and conventional wisdom still devised the personnel of the first PP unit. It just needed shaking up; it needed waking up. Everyone knows that we’ll get back on track statistically, but we were in a rut and it seems to me Q pulled the right strings to at least begin getting us out of it.
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I'm not heated
I see what you’re saying. And it’s good to be out of rut. But why not try something conventional, before getting completely nuts.
If I was coach for 3 weeks, my top PP would be Kane, Hossa, Toews, Keith, and Seabrook every single time and I guarantee you over the same time frame, they’d score more than Bruno, Kruger, Monty and whoever else and yet, I have yet to see that unit. IF I did, it was for 1 shift. That’s some BS right there.
I’m happy we scored, but it sucks that it came as the result of utter bullshit coaching decisions.
lol
I’m happy we scored, but it sucks that it came as the result of utter bullshit coaching decisions.
Scoring is no good unless it’s done by the right players!
Dude, I hear you that last night’s unit isn’t a long-term answer. But whatever makes you think it’s designed to be?
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by Brian C on Nov 11, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You're missing the big picture.
Game 7 of the WCF and Q trots out his 2 4th liners and 3 d men on the second unit (because it worked before) and they fail to score and we lose the series, remind me how great it was putting together a mismatch of players on the second unit, who one night in November, happened to score two PP goals against Columbus. We got to see this explosion of absurdity before 88-19-81-2-7.
lol. That’s great. Awesome.
/Fuck it. As long as we’re scoring goals who cares.
So let me get this straight
I acknowledge that it’s probably not a long-term solution. You then talk about how you’re worried about Game 7 of the WCF.
And I am the one that’s missing the point?
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
Hmmm
My point is, the worst thing that could have happened is that his goofy ass pp unit scored twice, because it reinforces the probability that it will be tried in the future at possibly the worst time. Making matters worse, is that something a lot more sane and logical hasn’t even been tried.
Sure. I’ll take the goals. Fine. And I like the win. But ffs. It’s so ridiculous that it shouldn’t have been tried in the first place and can’t be counted on in the future, but mark my words, it will be.
That’s about as clear as it’s gonna get.
This also touches on my point yesterday regarding the one goal game
They scored 2PP goals last night or this was a one goal game. The PP is a major problem on this team.
Hold My Stones
When not scoring.
see how it does against a lessnon-abysmal team tonight.
by oregon_hawk on Nov 11, 2011 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
I think we see "normal" lines tonight
Like Toews on D with Bickell
Scott 1st line center with OD and Brunette (speed kills), etc, etc, etc
Hold My Stones
I'd like Bruno
with Toews and Hossa – those guys aren’t super fast (though Hossa certainly has a set of afterburners on him), and all three are good along the boards and near the net.
by oregon_hawk on Nov 11, 2011 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So Carbomb or Stals with Kane and Sharp?
by neverhome30728 on Nov 11, 2011 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
Or
I was thinking about Carbomb on Bolly’s wing:
15-19-81
10-88-25
67-36-13
22-16-29/85
by stanfordron on Nov 11, 2011 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
That wouldn't be a bad line-up
especially taking into consideration that Bickell didn’t come out like a man on fire in response to being a healthy scratch against St. Louis like Q and all of us were hoping for. After a great preseason and first few games, Bicks has really been just pedestrian at best in the last several
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by FrankStallone on Nov 11, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
On top of that
Q must have been absolutely irate about Bicks’ penalty in the O zone. Not just the fact he took a penalty there, but, in contesting for the puck, he stood about a foot and a half away from his opponent and tried to play dipsy-doodle with his stick. His feet never moved. He never tried to just physically move the guy off the puck. 6’4", 223, hands of stone and he is playing like he is a 5’10", 185 lb. skill player. Its like having Kaner’s brain in a power forward’s body. What a waste of a body.
Finally, in the epitome of laziness, Bicks just stuck his stick between the guy’s legs fishing for the puck. I was wondering if Bicks really wanted to play hockey or just wanted to have sex with the guy.
by stanfordron on Nov 11, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
He obviously just wanted to have sex with the guy
I hear they got a hotel room after the game – in Rockford.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Nov 11, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Stals
I worry about Stals on Kane’s wing. He’s just not disciplined enough to be where he’s supposed to be, and I wonder if Kane would ever be able to find him.
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Frankly,
I’d rather see Morin there but that does not appear to be in the cards right now.
me too
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by justforkicks on Nov 11, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
Morin
Should probably start scoring goals in the AHL before we wish him up on the big club.
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by HungryHungryPanda on Nov 11, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
I have feeling we're gonna continue seeing 25-19 together.
Everyone talks about chemistry between 19-81, 19-88, 19-10, but the best I’ve seen Stalberg ever play is on Toews’ wing the past two weeks.
Yes, he still has stone hands and yes, he’s still gonna drive me nuts on defense sometimes, but he’s doing all the little things with and without the puck in the offensive zone that I personally expect from a “plug top 6 hole on the cheap due to the cap” player.
Last night may have been against Columbus, but I don’t think it mattered who the opponent was – he did the right things, opened up space for his linemates, and even created his own space at times. If he keeps doing what he’s been doing, good things will come.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Nov 11, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
the Bomb hopefully
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Carbomb.
nothing at all wrong with 25-16-22 on the 4th (if Bolly is back, else its 85-22-25)
by oregon_hawk on Nov 11, 2011 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
I s'pose.
I just hate to see that guy on the 4th line. He needs a line that isn’t fast, but can have some zone time, and get shots on the net.
by oregon_hawk on Nov 11, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
I love his hands
so he can still be a lethal on the PP, but with his (complete lack of) speed he’s a liability 5-on-5. On the 4th line his even strength minutes are limited, which is not necessarily a bad thing
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by FrankStallone on Nov 11, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, Brunette (which is who I assumed oregon_hawk was talking about too)
sorry, should’ve been more clear
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by FrankStallone on Nov 11, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
you're in goal
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Rando
Does anyone have a pic of Brent Sutter diving though the air after the goal he scored to complete the sweep of Detroit in 1992? Cannot find a still shot.
Cheertheanthem.com
I was there to see it
in the old barn, Blackhawks were deep into their eleven game winning streak. Problem was, Mario and the Pens were getting started with their 11 game run!
What a night at the Chicago Stadium!
"How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right."
by thepuckstopshere31 on Nov 11, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
In regards to the trap
What TBL does I am fine with, they can play it and it is effective, so what. PHI on the other hand, the only thing that I can see be reasonable to stop this, is to make it a DOG 2 min minor, for deliberately stopping to play like that while in possession of the puck. This would be at the discretion of a referee, but in extreme cases like PHI is pretty obvious.
I am not a fan of playing against the trap, but it can be beaten, and I also see no reason to even entertain an idea of trying to make rules against it. The trapezoid was in part designed to help limit the effectiveness of the trap by allowing teams to chip to a corner and not have the goalie clear it out.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Nov 11, 2011 11:59 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
yeah
rather than legislation, teams will just counter it.. we saw this happen in Soccer in the Nineties.. (although there was major rule change, forbidding the goalie to handle a pass from a team mate)
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
Completely agree with you
I don’t really understand how/why people are pissed at the Lightning. They are playing a defense style that suits their team and they aren’t the first team to do this. Last time I checked it was the job of the team with the puck to try and score and the team without the puck to try and stop them. No shot clock needed, all you need is a ref with a low tolerance of bs, call a DOG penalty, and if the other team isn’t smart enough to figure out how to beat the trap, well then they were out coached.
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-- Jean-Claude Killy
Cannots take note^
by TazerNation19 on Nov 11, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree.
I don’t think it is the job of the team with the puck to try to score. I think it is the job of the team with the puck to try to win the game. If they are behind, they cannot stall or they lose. If they are ahead, let them go four corners until the D comes after them. If its a tie game, its up to the home team fans as far as what they want to see. If their team is playing for a tie and they don’t like it, they can boo until the team does something. If the home fans like it, and don’t mind giving away at least a point, sobeit.
by stanfordron on Nov 11, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Playing four corners is not the same as doing nothing at all the way PHI did
That was unsportsmanlike IMO and does warrant a penalty. Play the game!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Nov 11, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
Four corners
is really the same as one-corner until the D does something about it.
I liked seeing Philly show up TB
good for them. I realize from reading the comments of others that I’m probably in the minority.
However for those who are clamoring for a penalty on Philly the truth is they were punished. They gave TB two offensive zone faceoffs without Tampa having to put any pressure on the Philly D to earn them. That’s not nothing.
The thing is I don't feel like Philly showed up TB
I feel like all Philly did was show and prove that they couldn’t beat the Lightening system.
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by justforkicks on Nov 11, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
They never can. There were so many blowout losses to TB last year that maybe they just figured better to at least try this.
this combination of ballet and murder ♥
Twittars!
Which I think is a valid defense
If you can’t beat another teams system then change your strategy to neutralize it. If it’s a choice between a 4-0 blowout and a tie, most teams will take the tie. Personally, and I mentioned this yesterday, I think they should just change the icing rule. If you’re past your own blue line then it’s not icing. Harder to trap when they can dump and chase as they pass the blue line.
by Speed3 on Nov 11, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I might be able to get on board with this concept
with a little tweaking
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Nov 11, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
That's gonna make
for a whole lot more cherry-picking attempts.
I'm sure people said the same thing
when they got rid of the two line pass. If you’re cherry picking enough that you’re past the defense then you’ll probably beat out icing anyways. I’m not convinced my idea isn’t without flaws but it’s certainly better than a shot clock. Besides, cherry picking is fun. More breakaways!
That is exactly what idiots said would happen
“Forwards will just sit at the opposing blue line waiting for stretch passes! wah wah wah.”
Chicagoan in the Lou.
One man's idiot
is another man’s traditionalist.
I wish they'd ban the 46 defense
No one’s ever going to figure out to beat it.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Nov 11, 2011 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
would it make sense
to lose that point you get just for making it to overtime? Otherwise I wouldn’t be terribly opposed to a new icing rule, or a defensive zone rule, where you have x amount of time to get the puck out of your blueline with continuous control. It’s probably tougher with hockey since basketball has a clear line of who control’s the ball.
when did you run into will smith!?
by desertindian on Nov 11, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
Must be. I find it silly about how people are like, Philly took a stand!
No they got outcoached. Other teams have beat the TB system. Philly couldn’t and they are trying to mask the fact that they gave up as being the good guys who took out the big bad TB and their trap (which they didn’t).
"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Harry Potter
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Nov 11, 2011 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
Not sure if anyone follow Bob McKenzie on Twitter
But he apparently polled 18 GMs to ask who was more at fault in the PHI/TB situation. An astounding 13 said TB was at fault, 3 said PHI, and 2 didn’t have an opinion either way.
I found that interesting.
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-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Nov 11, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
I'm actually more surprised
That when the ref’s stopped the play they put it in Philly’s zone for the faceoff. Philly had puck possession. TB was the team that stopped playing the puck.
What's TB supposed to do?
Not play defense because Philly finds it too tough to beat? That’s fucking ridiculous.
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by LanceFister3 on Nov 11, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
Here's the reasoning
“Some GMs say they are concerned with decreasing offense in NHL. 6.1 goals/game in 1st year after lockout. 5.4 gpg so far this season.”
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Nov 11, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
refusing to play the puck probably won't increase those numbers
I am a meat popsicle
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SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Nov 11, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, these are the only two options
you’ve captured the issue precisely.
by Scott13 on Nov 11, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the idea is that trapping slows the game down, makes it boring, fans don't like it, growth slows and reverses, the world ends...
If trapping was illegal, you would really see multiple cups by the Hawks…
"No Swagger, No Dagger"
I don't think it's the trap, per se
But the trap that TB was implementing was pretty ridiculous. That level of passivity is a bit alarming, if we’re considering the future of the NHL and possible rule changes.
I don’t think it’s a big deal yet, but it’s something worth keeping an eye on.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Nov 11, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
The problem is that shitty teams are going to look at TB and see a way to equalize better talent on another team...it's could easily be back to the 90's and a bunch of NJ- type SC's...
With the current makeup of the Hawks that’s not preferable, in a decade, who knows, it may be to our advantage if we have a talentless team…
"No Swagger, No Dagger"
This, exactly
I get that there’s an argument for both sides, but I hate any system that rewards a team for not making play on the puck
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Nov 11, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
If the zebras are calling interference like they're supposed to, sure
However, that aspect has slowly regressed. Nowhere near late 90’s levels of clutch and grab, but much worse than just a few years ago.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
This
Too often you do see a D-man “rub off or bump or flat out knock down” a forward who has chipped the puck in, well after the dump. This is INTF and if it is called tighter, the trap is less effective.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Nov 11, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
Of course I want the game to be exciting. But I don't think decisions should be made
on what the fans do/do not find boring or like.
"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Harry Potter
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Nov 11, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
Of course they should
Professional hockey is entertainment. What other purpose is there to it than to please the fans?
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Nov 11, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
but you can't please everyone.
maybe fans like the trap because it gives them more wins. Some people still like dangerous hits. Changes are good. Changes that better the game are good. I just think we have to be careful of what and why we make them.
"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Harry Potter
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Nov 11, 2011 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
Well of course
They shouldn’t change the game just because Mike Martin and Saskjet don’t like something. But if it’s effecting how many people buy tickets or watch on TV, or if they have evidence far more people will like a change than hate it, make the change.
The shootout is an example of where my whole argument ends up fucking us though.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
Agree with that of course
ugh shootout
"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Harry Potter
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Nov 11, 2011 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
What other reason is there for playing the game? Without fans, it's back to the farm for a bunch of Canadian lads, and who wants that?
"No Swagger, No Dagger"
I wouldn't mind some canadian lads going back to the farm
"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Harry Potter
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Nov 11, 2011 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
I may have over simplified
that the job of the team with the puck is to score. You said it more accurately, it is to try to win the game. But in the case of Philly v. Tampa, it was a tied game therefore it is Philly’s job to try and score so they can win the game. It wasn’t like the were making these passes to kill time at the end of the third when they were up by 3 or something like that. This was a tie game in the first 5 minutes of play. Just MHO though
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The best and fastest way to learn a sport is to watch and imitate a champion.
-- Jean-Claude Killy
Cannots take note^
by TazerNation19 on Nov 14, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
Oprah in the cage
Ditka on 3C, Amonte sits.
by Scott13 on Nov 11, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
she's fat, she's thin, she's fat, she's thin
she should just pick a body and stick with it
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Nov 11, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
Can't you read??
In between (the pipes) Oprah.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Nov 11, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
I was just thinking
she probably doesn’t move very well on skates but she might fill-up a lot of the net. My beef would be Ditka at 3C. I see him more as a power center than a checking line center.
please, please, please
no Oprah/5-hole jokes.. think of the children…
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
aaaaaaagh!
you had to do it, didn’t you? ;p
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
ok, one more Oprah Joke..
because The Oatmeal came out with it today..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
Team flew into town this morning, so there was no morning skate to give us an idea about line combos.
Might not get much on that front until close to game time, since the beat reporters were all flying back this morning too.
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." ~gmh
by Steeg of their own on Nov 11, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
Zahmnov signed to boost top 6
Pardon me I'm only bleeding But you cut me To the bone And tonight You're probably feeling Like a Human Cannonball
Brian McCabe signed,
returns so that Chicago can ice a second power play unit comprised entirely of defensemen.
www.mjt.org
Nancy Kerrigan in on the PK...
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
Tonya Harding
replaces Scott..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
I approve
she won’t take no for an answer…
Pardon me I'm only bleeding But you cut me To the bone And tonight You're probably feeling Like a Human Cannonball
Was Tonya Harding too expensive
or just too penalty prone?
if Q were dressing
a figure skater.. it would make Q sense to pick the victim rather than the monster..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
Canucks are trying to sign Kerrigan
even as we type….
Pardon me I'm only bleeding But you cut me To the bone And tonight You're probably feeling Like a Human Cannonball
I dunno
if she’ll fit there.. I mean she actually got hot with a baton before collapsing to the ice crying… as opposed to “Having Patrick Kane waft the air near you”..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
"hit" not hot... sorry
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
I was just thinking about
a Louganis joke.. but again, he actually got hit before a dive.. this is not the Canuck Way..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope everyone remembered
the men and women who died so Saskjet can live in a free society make Canuck jokes.
I know I appreciate it their service.
Now that Sammy is gone, who will tell Sweden to fuck off?
got mine
although Sunday will be the main day here..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
Wonder if we'll see Emery tonight?
I’m predicting tonight Sharp scores some goals.
"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Harry Potter
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Nov 11, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
Per the twitters
#NHLFlames will be without D Anton Babchuk (broken hand) and C Brendan Morrison (lingering knee issue) vs. #Blackhawks. Both on IR/blockquote>
After the game, on SCH: “Yeah, I mean the Hawks won 5-2, but the Flames were without their regulars. Not the greatest win.”
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Nov 11, 2011 1:03 PM CST reply actions
block quote fail
my bad
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Nov 11, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
Worst. Win. Over. Depleted. Team. Ever.
Pardon me I'm only bleeding But you cut me To the bone And tonight You're probably feeling Like a Human Cannonball
aargh!
to the Ledge!
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
This must be a first! out on the ledge almost seven hours before the game!
"Showin' her my Toews-face!"
just keeping my spot...
oh, hello Mr Pigeon..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
as usual..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
I mean we won the Cup
But we had to do it in OVERTIME!
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Nov 11, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
can't keep leaving points on the table for other teams to take
I am a meat popsicle
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SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Nov 11, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The fact we let the Flyers score a single goal in the series was a travesty...
"Showin' her my Toews-face!"
yeah
trade that Neemee guy
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
off topic but how's he doing nowadays?
when did you run into will smith!?
by desertindian on Nov 11, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
oh. letting in
a whole bunch of goals somehwere in California.. if only he had that Biflugin guy to take care of him..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
He was hurt earlier
But now he’s Fin
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Nov 11, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
And they blew a late 3rd period lead
as usual. You can’t win a Cup that way, obvs.
by Scott13 on Nov 11, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Kaner's gotta stop shooting from those crazy angles, he needs to drive the net...
"No Swagger, No Dagger"
yeah
should have looked for a rebound there.. this yet another reason to trade the lazy little bastard..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
Jesse Rogers talked to Toews about his goal yesterday
said to toews his goal looked like kane’s in S.C. finals, he said kane would never admit he was trying for a rebound. toews was but went in
"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Harry Potter
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Nov 11, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
So we can keep Tazer, right?!
"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Harry Potter
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Nov 11, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
I dunno, he's got this irritating "climb on my back I'll lead you to the promised land" vibe about him...kinda arrogant
"No Swagger, No Dagger"
yeah
he’s an arrogant little priick and Kane is a lazy arrogant little prick with substance-abuse issues.. I reckon we’d get a couple of picks for them.. and maybe a third liner…
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 11, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
We wish
Pardon me I'm only bleeding But you cut me To the bone And tonight You're probably feeling Like a Human Cannonball
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