An Appropriate Send-Off: Blackhawks 6 - Oilers 3
by Killion on Nov 14, 2011 9:26 AM CST
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PrintApologies for the delayed wrap - it was a long weekend and when I got home from the game last night all I wanted to do was sleep. Sorry to keep you waiting, as I'm sure you all stayed up all night hitting refresh, right?
So another game, another 2 points for the Hawks as they push towards the annual circus trip. They were pretty much in the driver's seat the whole game. Jonathan Toews opened the scoring after a bit of a give and go behind the net with Stalberg. Rather than go for his normal stuff attempt, Toews was given time and space in the slot and used it to roof one over Khabby and send the waterbottle flying.
Just over 30 seconds later, Kane was given time with the puck (Free scouting reports for other teams: that is a bad idea) and was able to hit a rushing Steve Montador who made Lennart Petrell look just silly before sliding another one past Khabby.
The Oil would get close off a garbage goal when Ryan Smyth brought the puck around from behind the net and managed to slip one past Crawford. Not sure what happened there as Duncan Keith didn't really make an attempt to cover Smyth and Crawford was simply caught not paying attention and didn't get his pads down. The Hawks had an answer for every goal though and put things away with a Car Bomb empty netter.
To the bullets:
- After two miserable games that brought back all the ill feelings and bile from last year, the Hawks have put together a nice little winning streak that's building steam. They've moved from victories over what is barely an NHL team (Columbus) to a struggling team (Calgary) and now they've helped themselves to two points from a team that has been playing pretty well (Edmonton). The Oilers are a paper tiger and have likely already begun they're fall from heaven. We'll get a much better test on Wednesday against the Canucks
- I have no idea why Q and the coaching staff decided to put Montador as a forward on the power play but anything that keeps the goals coming is certainly welcome to see. Call me crazy, but I just don't see his scoring keeping this pace. They guy has a season high of 8 goals back in 07-08.
- Brent Seabrook looks like he could be missing some time after going coast to coast on a play and awkwardly losing an edge right behind the Edmonton net and crashing hard into the boards. He got to his feet in pain and spent about 5 seconds on the bench before a trainer pulled him into the locker room. Marlboro 72 had just been regaining its dominant form so this is a pretty significant loss. Now there's even less of a chance we get to see John Scott in the press box.
- Speaking of Scott, even with Seabrook going out early, he only got 11:43 TOI which is still 5 seconds less than his season high so far this year. Playing with only 4 defensemen is not a recipe for success, especially on this road trip. To be fair though - Scott was a +1 and didn't make too many mistakes tonight. So that's nice. He also got a chance to do a bit of a tough guy routine when Carcillo stirred things up in the second.
- Jordan Eberle scored on another breakaway right out of the penalty box - by my count that has happened to the Blackhawks at least 34 other times so far this year. This time it was off a bad attempt from Keith to control the puck at the blue line. It slipped past him and right to Eberle. Watch Leddy fly back in an attempt to catch him though... that kid is fast.
- The Blackhawks were once again out-hit. I'm not going to complain about it so much as point out that it happens a lot even at home where the scoring is usually tilted pretty favorably to the home team.
- I didn't even realize the Oilers actually played Ben Eager until right now looking at the box score.
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Two goals from a third pair defensman? Yeah, that'll do it. Nice job Monty
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Eager
I couldn’t help but notice him sluggishly, to put it nicely, carry the puck into the Hawks zone as Rusty Olesz made his nightly cameo by tugging and hooking the leaden-footed winger who inexplicably stopped moving to draw the penalty. It was like watching two dying stars collapse upon themselves.
Anyone who misses Ben Eager needs therapy.
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that play was hilarious.
Eager on a ‘break’ (coasting in from the top of the circle on) and Olesz taking a penalty trying to play defense.
wonderful.
that was hilarious
but makes me remember someone bringing up the fact that the Hawks needed Eager back. HE’S THE MISSING LINK ha.
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
got one thing right
he is the ‘missing link’
by putmeinthemadhouse on Nov 14, 2011 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
Eager is Mr. Stupid...
and he’s not close to being a star, but he’s not useless either.
Dr. Stupid?
Is he a fat, drooling cartoon cat?
by northernsails on Nov 14, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
I will always call Ben Eager
‘Crayon Eater’. I just imagine he sits in the locker room after a game with his box of 64 crayola crayons swearing that the purple one tastes like grape.
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by TazerNation19 on Nov 14, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
You can say whatever you want
but the fact is, on that play, Eager was better than the guy we have in his place.
by stanfordron on Nov 14, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
now, that would
just be plain WRONG!!.. maybe he means.. actually, i don’t know? Who is the Eager replacement? Should we check under guys seats for masticated Crayola?
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
I never thought of Rusty as an eager replacement
in fact, i didn’t think we needed to replace Eager
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
A replacement,
in the sense that he fills the same roster slot – last off the bench.
ok
that I can understawnd
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
I commented to my daughter
(while we were, ahem, at the game) “There’s Eager.” She replied, “Yeah, I see him, so what?” LOL
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
LLOL
The girl recognizes talent when she doesn’t see it.
by northernsails on Nov 14, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
I’m so proud of her. :-) 16 and already a cynic like her old man.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
The more female hockey fans out there, the better. I'm totally serious.
by northernsails on Nov 14, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with this
which is why I wish my step daughter would love hockey but thats like pulling teeth. When we have our own kid at least he will be born into it like i was, boy or girl
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
I'd say 2/4 of the females in my house are actual hockey fans
and the other two are "Sharp/Kaner/Crow/insert other “cute” Blackhawk name here" fans. My wife and the youngest are the actual hockey fans, although, they both certainly do like the cute Hawks too. (I hate that Patrick Sharp SO much!)
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
Wife is about 50% on board
She gets excited during the playoffs but has a tough time in the regular season. She likes Pat and Eddie, though, and would rather me have the Hawks on than whatever other random sports.
She does love going to games, though, even when we tripped out to Rockford last season.
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My mother is not a hockey fan at all, but she stops whatever she's doing to watch excitedly whenever my dad or I yell "FIGHT!"
by northernsails on Nov 14, 2011 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
that's good enough, IMO
My mom only likes watching sports when she already knows the outcome. And even then she gets nervous. It’s the damnedest thing.
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She's been to a few Wolves games as well in the distant past (well, *my* distant past)
One of those games had 5 separate, individual fights including a bench-clearer. She loved it.
by northernsails on Nov 14, 2011 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know, I don't pine for Benny, but he played his 4th line role pretty well while here I think
"What is icing?"
"Well, uh... icing appen when uh the puck come down... bang, you know, before the other guys, nobody there, you know. My arm go comme ça then the game stop then start up."
by anActiveStick on Nov 15, 2011 12:07 AM CST up reply actions
So i guess I'll have to get use to Scott out their dont I?
I mean not sure why we grabbed Lepisto and OD, but hey not going to complain I guess if he isn’t making too many mistakes. So now with Seabs probably not making the trip (not a fact just my opinion) who gets up to play with keith? Do you move Monty up or just slot in OD or someone?
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
I think monty will take seabs spot
I could be wrong, but he’s probably the closest thing they have to a d who plays like brent…just pray our 3rd pairing is OD and Scott…at that point bowman may want to save some money, and play 2 men short and just dress a pair of parking cones to throw out there for 10 minutes of each game
when did you run into will smith!?
by desertindian on Nov 14, 2011 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
I'm hoping we see Monty move up
and OD and Lepisto find the ice again. Scott hasn’t played badly though, so we’ll see, I guess.
by Katherine215 on Nov 14, 2011 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
I'd like the same thing
Monty Up, OD and Lepisto in, however Scott not bad=more playing time so we wont get to see that
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
It is pretty clear we're gonna get scott
until he is smoked consistently. And, since we are now going on the road against the mostly not-shit teams of west US and canada, Q can’t dictate match-ups. We will either see much less of scott, or goals against because of him.
good point
the next 6 games or so are all on the road….so we’ll get a good view of how scott handles top lines
when did you run into will smith!?
by desertindian on Nov 14, 2011 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
if we have to live with this
i’m willing to accommodate Q’s desire to play Scott in very restricted circumstances, eg:
Colonel Mustard John Scott
in the conservatory in the United Center as a defenseman
with the candlestick against crappy to middling opposition
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by cliffkoroll on Nov 14, 2011 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed, he hasn't been extremely wretched
so I’m not going to tear my hair out about him anymore. If Q plays him at home where he can dictate the match ups, I’m accepting of this.
by Katherine215 on Nov 14, 2011 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
Boy, how are we defining wretched?
I think getting dominated shift after shift by Calgary and Edmonton’s 4th liners is pretty wretched. A third pairing of Scott with Lepisto/OD is going to get smoked by Vancouver’s 4th line, and that’s if Q gets the matchups he wants on the road.
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by HungryHungryPanda on Nov 14, 2011 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
Might not be as much to worry about...
Scott has started 75% of his games at home this year (6 of 8). The two road games were STL and CBJ. Assuming Q wanted Scott to get at least one fight in this year (against STL) and didn’t worry too much about the worst team in the league (CBJ), perhaps he might actually sit out a majority of the road trip?
Last season Scott started 60% of his games at home (24 home – 16 road), but during the 2nd half of the season when Q wasn’t forced to start Scott (healthy defense, additional signings) it was much closer to the 75% figure like this year.
Despite our questioning of why Scott is in lineup, and concern about his limited minutes, Q seems to at least realize Scott’s limitations and only play him in situations where he can “succeed.” And statistically he is EXTREMELY successful defensively as a bumslayer (just ignore the eye test).
If it wasn’t for the “chippiness” of the last VAN game at home, I would feel rather confident that Scott won’t be starting against them, especially with a top minutes defender out. Probably a coin toss at this point though.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Nov 14, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
sounds worse than the original movie
which I thought was nigh impossible
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by TazerNation19 on Nov 14, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
Didn't you comment that he had the 4th easiest QUALCOMP in the league or somesuch?
I’m with you though, it does look like they’re protecting him, and we just have to hope they aren’t stupid enough to throw him to the wolves (or whoever passes as wolves these days).
In the end I think Stan, Q, & Co. see John Scott as this big reclamation project. If Stan is such a businessman type he’s probably just trying to see how much mileage he can get out of him. In his mind (even if not in ours), if we can get a 6’8" guy playing at a respectful level that’d be a huge asset.
A couple counterpoints
and let me just say that I would rather have OD or Lepisto than Scott. However:
1) the 4th liners of Calgary dominated the Hawks and the 4th line of Edmonton got the better of the play. However, this wasn’t on Scott, he and Monty did a pretty good job of winning battles and playing the puck up to the wingers. However the Hawks 4th line of 15-22-85 was absolute dog shit against Calgary and only slightly better against Edmonton. They couldn’t skate the puck out of their own zone, even when they had space. They would either turn the puck over or lob one out to center, but not far enough to make a line change, so they would quickly get pinned back in. It was brutal to watch and the fault lies with 15-22-85.
2) the “Scott is going to get smoked” bit comes out before every game, it did over the weekend, and it didn’t happen. I’m not saying it’s not going to happen, John Scott is not good enough to not get smoked occasionally, but it’s not happening anywhere near as often as it’s being predicted. He’s being criticized for reputation than actual play. The guy was a +1 last night with no goals against. You could make a case that Keith got smoked on two goals last night, most certainly the first goal and he poorly played the puck that led to the breakaway goal. Scott, in many fewer minutes, didn’t do these things. He cleared pucks, he cleared players he did his job.
The guy isn’t fast, he gets knocked down by smaller players, he follows the puck way too high in his own zone, he pinches on offense when he shouldn’t and he’s not fast enough to make up the ground on the chances he takes in the O and neutral zones. And the guys who are now seemingly behind him on the depth chart seem like better options. There’s plenty to criticize him for without having to go for more.
by Scott13 on Nov 14, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You can try
Yet. But also. Nevertheless. Albeit.
I was typing while eating
I didn’t realize how horribly written it was until I reread it. Yet, I had already hit post. But also I was embarrassed, nevertheless I stand by the sentiment, albeit with the self-deprecating “however” amendment.
Nothing personal.
I write a lot of briefs so I spend a lot of time looking for new synonyms for “however.”
c'mon you're a lawyer
“Notwithstanding the foregoing…” i.e. disregard the previous paragraphs of garbled legalese in favor of the oncoming paragraphs of garbled legalese.
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Nice (I use that term loosely) long shot
of you dancing in front of the camera after last night’s victory.
Let the “Who is John Galt?” guessing game begin.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Nov 14, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
this trip is the real test.
if he plays a normal shift, and doesn’t obviously fuck up or get smoked, or be a train-wreck statistically (so, lets say he plays 6 games, averages 12 min TOI, and goes even or +1 for the 2-week period), then I think the case can be made that he’s taken that step to being a worthwhile bottom-pairing D-man.
However, if he doesn’t get playing time, or gives up goals against egregiously, he is a less-than-bottom pairing D-man Q gives garbage minutes to and can’t trust in the third period at all.
by oregon_hawk on Nov 14, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
My point is simply
criticize the guy for his actual play, not for his reputation. In his last four games, 2 home and 2 road, he’s averaging over 11 minutes and is an even player, a +1 against Edmonton, a -1 against STL and even against CGY and CBJ. Whatever the coaches are asking of him he’s doing, he’s done his job.
It’s not John Scott’s fault he’s in the linup and it’s not Chris Kuc’s either.
my beef with Kuc
is that he won’t ever ask for a real answer. He asked why scott was in over lepisto or SOD, and q answered with something like “well, they all bring different things”.
Kuc views asking followup questions or asking for clarification or further thoughts as “arguing”.
by oregon_hawk on Nov 14, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
No one argues that he isn't "much improved"
He actually is.
Many simply argue that he isn’t anywhere near good enough (yet, or likely to be in any sort of near term future).
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
Kuc is kind of an ass
but Q gives the same answer about Scott and basically doesn’t reveal anything new ever. I think asking follow up questions and being persistent about this after over a year of the guy on the team is pointless. Q likes him; he’s going to play Scott until he can’t or doesn’t want to anymore. Nothing the reporters or the fans ask is going to make him reveal reasons he doesn’t want to reveal.
by Katherine215 on Nov 14, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
I saw, haha.
I’m just at the point where I’m not going to waste my energy getting mad about Scott playing anymore. I don’t like it, I don’t understand it, but I can’t change it until I get to be coach.
by Katherine215 on Nov 14, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
The KtG to replace Q
campaign starts here
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
You’re probably right. One of the great mysteries of the Bowman-Q era will be the whole John Scott affair.
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You think fans are indignant now about Q playing Scott?
Wait until Stan re-ups him in the off season.
The wailing and gnashing of teeth will be heard over a five state area.
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John Scott
Seven Years at a Cap Hit of Two Toffe-Apples, a dead rat (and a rope to swing it by) plus he paints Tom Sawyers fence.. called an ‘Excellent Deal’ by Kuc..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
I'm at that point too.
Tired to death of bitching about it. We’ll never understand it. Just accept it along with death and taxes.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
Thats starting to be my view as well
I dont get it but i’m tired of saying what the fuck Q to it and dont we have other guys. It’s annoying and will be happy if it ever ends
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
Now the PR strategy makes a ton of sense
“Exhaust the hell out of them. They will stop caring after awhile.”
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was better than both…
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by Boris Mironov on Nov 14, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
You have a valid point
Scott has played better than his reputation the last few games against less talented teams. He is going to get smoked, routinely, if he plays against Vancouver. I did see him actually connect on some passes last night, which was nice.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
I guess the key to letting go of the Scott drama is to ridiculously lower expectations
I did see him actually connect on some passes last night, which was nice.
This will be my new bar for him, and maybe that will preserve my sanity.
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by justforkicks on Nov 14, 2011 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
"Good game" = not falling down, not going offsides, facing the right direction most of the time
Jeeebus! He’s just an oversized Mite
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
Granted...I awarded a game puck to a player for that once
but he was a 5 year old House League player. The bar should be rather higher by the NHL
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
I almost gave myself a black eye I facepalmed so hard
the first time he checked a player and hit the deck himself. And then I just started waiting for it.
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by justforkicks on Nov 14, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
He actually looks a little faster than he did
to start the season… it’s like he’s finally got the whole skating thing kinda down.
I mentioned this in previous threads ...
John Scott is no one’s first choice, but his truly awful play is when he’s enlisted to skate as a winger. I think Lepisto and OD are better choices than Scott on D, but Scott is nowhere near as terrible a d-man as he is a winger.
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yeah, this^
plz nevar again to be the Murdersaurus on teh wingz, thx
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
I'm going to tear my hair out
if he’s playing at forward. I don’t love him back on D but I don’t feel like killing anyone over it.
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Does anyone here remember
the gnashing of teeth that arose whenever Sopel was announced to be playing? Scott gets the same treatment.
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by burpchelischili on Nov 15, 2011 12:23 AM CST up reply actions
Yup, and now he's a legend.
A bit of revisionist history we have with Sopel. Although I’m doubting this will happen with Scott.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Nov 15, 2011 12:42 AM CST up reply actions
Hey, at least Sopel took the puck end to end in Game 5 vs NSH
I will faint if “BIG” John Scott ever does that.
"What is icing?"
"Well, uh... icing appen when uh the puck come down... bang, you know, before the other guys, nobody there, you know. My arm go comme ça then the game stop then start up."
by anActiveStick on Nov 15, 2011 8:59 AM CST up reply actions
Sopel was good for much of the Nashville series...
but it wasn’t his play that endeared me to him. It was the kind of guy he was off the ice that made me a big fan. Sopes must have been infectious in the locker room, in a good way…
Sopel's legend grew
when he took the Cup for a ride in the Gay Pride Parade.
My memory of him is that he was great on the PK because he didn’t have to skate or carry the puck. 5 on 5, he always made me nervous.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
i'd forgotten about that..
that was pretty f’n cool..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 15, 2011 7:11 AM CST up reply actions
Sopel may have always seemed like a liability at 5-on-5
but he was just a shot-blocking machine on the PK, which (along with taking the Cup to the Gay Pride parade as Badgerdano pointed out) is where his legendary status was born. Scott does not do that, as there’s no way in hell he’s on the PK unless all other defensemen are dead
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Nov 15, 2011 7:21 AM CST up reply actions
Does Scott throw that enormous frame of his literally in the puck's way in *Any* situation?
No. Then again, he’s not fast enough to get down before the shooter starts his motion. But if Sopes gave us nothing else, he gave us that. And with half Scott’s size.
by northernsails on Nov 15, 2011 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
he does...but he misses
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
Oilers are the type of team we "should" smoke
They don’t play a very physical game..I’m amazed at how much open space the hawks had in Edmonton’s zone….the biggest hit of the night on the hawks was the number the boards did on seabs…other than that, should be a nice warmup to the circus trip…just hope the hawks remember the nucks don’t play that way…
when did you run into will smith!?
yeah but damn those kids are fast
they’ve got quite a nucleus to build on, and they’re pretty close to a contender if they fill out the rest of their roster for next season.
i agree
I was going to add that they play a very similar game to the hawks…straight up and down kind of team…
when did you run into will smith!?
by desertindian on Nov 14, 2011 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
We actually seemed to play them a little physical
Not a tremendous amount but more than we’ve seen in the past couple weeks.
I think John Scott is Q's personal project
I’m guessing Scott put in a lot of work this off season to try to turn himself into an actual hockey player, since he seemed to figure out that no one wants to fight him anymore. As a former d-man, I think Q has a soft spot for Scott and thinks he might actually get there if he’s given the chance. I think Scott will keep playing until Q decides he’s a lost cause. It’s kind of cute actually.
Sometimes too much to drink is barely enough.
there's also the risk/reward aspect
If Q CAN turn scott into a passable #6D, without losing a bundle of points in the process, we get that much deeper.
Obviously, I think everyone but Q (and I guess bowman) is skeptical.
by oregon_hawk on Nov 14, 2011 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
And the $300k+ (annual) Stan saves by having Scott on the roster instead of Smith
gives the Hawks probably around an extra $750k at the trade deadline. Assuming Stan might want to make an early season move (or at least the ability to), that would come in handy.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Nov 14, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
John Scott is Eliza Doolittle.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Nov 14, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
how do you make a post without a title on it?
by northernsails on Nov 14, 2011 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
Don’t put anything in the title line
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Nov 14, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
I'm a little unsure what lemming refers to...optimist or pessimist
…just like in Star Wars, who ordered up the clone army? And who ended up with it? And who’s that Maori guy?
No Swagger, No Dagger
by Saskjet on Nov 14, 2011 5:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
at this point anyone is fair game
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by justforkicks on Nov 14, 2011 6:24 PM CST up reply actions
the Maoti guy
id the reason I now picture all Stormtroopers talking in Kiwi accent.. “This are not the droids you’re looking for..” “Yis, yer roight.. shid we grab some fush n’ chups to cilibrate?”
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
massive. typing. fail.
yooouuuu knooooow whaaaaat I mean..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe he did, and maybe he didn't.
Pardon me I'm only bleeding But you cut me To the bone And tonight You're probably feeling Like a Human Cannonball
but he maybe did what?
I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it.
by ITypedforMiles on Nov 14, 2011 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
OK I still don't know who "lemming" refers to...and who owns the clones...
…so Ima guess you all are just as clueless as I am and leave it at that
No Swagger, No Dagger
Sigh...
if you guy are really interested, you have to read the weekend threads. I’m not going to post a link because it was all pretty stupid.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
Let me demonstrate
I have no idea why Q and the coaching staff decided to put Montador as a forward on the power play but anything that keeps the goals coming is certainly welcome to see.
So much this! You go, Kills!
/lemming’d
I don't really get this.
Playing a defenseman on the power play isn’t some radical new idea. It has been done before.
And when you replace all three of your third line forwards on the power play (because of injuries or ineffectiveness) you don’t have many other options.
and can you two
quit talking in Morse Code..eh?
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
I should read before I post
This is basically what I said except I was pinning it partly on Stan too. Of course, with zero information.
Also, Mike’s post needs more recs. So true!
Re love for Oil,
They got three high picks, but where is their Keith, their Seabrook, Hossa, Bolland,etc…not even in the same league as the 2010 champs
No Swagger, No Dagger
by Saskjet on Nov 14, 2011 10:08 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I don't think anyone's saying they're in the same league
as the 2010 champs. But they are an exciting, up and coming team with some talented kids. A year or two from now, they should be interesting.
by Katherine215 on Nov 14, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
exactly how many years did it take Keith and Seabs to become
the player we know them as. They played on a crappy team and got better over the years. The oil will be a damn good team but they do need to draft some defense. RNH is my favorite player to watch on that team. He’s going to be a fucking machine for years to come
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
i think the point is...
that they don’t have those types of players in their system (defensemen). It’s a highly skilled team on one line but there is a lot to be desired past that.
Time will make them better, but how big is their window, realistically?
Petry and Klefbom aren't bad D prospects.
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by HjammerTime on Nov 14, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
good prospects...
sure, but will they pan out? And will they have any kind of impact before their current crop of kid stars become free agents and decide they’d prefer to play in a slightly better setting? Klefbom for example is young as heck.
I think they have a gigantic window.
Hall-RNH-Paajarvi-Eberle…..those guys are all super young. Obviously there is no way of telling if these players will work out, but I think Edmonton is on the right path.
Goaltender is one position they will obviously need to address in the next few years.
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by HjammerTime on Nov 14, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
One addition
You raise a fantastic point about kids wanting the hell out of Edmonton….but they were able to assemble a pretty fantastic team in the 1980s. I’m sure they could pull it off again.
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by HjammerTime on Nov 14, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
So you dont think Dubnyk can become the starter?
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
Hey aero, not meant to be snarky at all, but...
why the obsession with the Oilers’ “window”? You seem to ask that question regularly. Is it because you fear they have a chance to be extremely successful, or that you doubt (hope?) they’ll be able to be true contenders before all the pieces mature?
Aside from my question, I think I did a pretty good job of analyzing their cap situation in a reply the last time I saw you ask. Most of their young guys are RFAs for 3-4 more years, they have a couple of large veteran contracts that they’ll be rid of after this year, along with buyouts coming of the books. They’ve got plenty of room to operate without getting rid of any of their young talent. Sucks.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Nov 14, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
not sure I've ever asked the question before...
but I do think Edmonton will have problems keeping the pieces in place. Eberle and Hall become RFAs in 3 years (two seasons past this one). Assuming those players become monsters, that Khabby stays young, healthy and jail free (or some other top 10-15 goalie becomes starter) and Smyth continues to defy age (and taking a big pay cut) I see that window shutting down rather quickly.
The possibility of a great team does exist though. If everything comes together for them, that could be a dominating group for years to come.
Ah, my bad, it was indeed another commenter
but thanks. I guess it is an ongoing question though that only time will provide an answer for. A lot has to go right for an organization in the long run, but for now, the pieces are there to grow.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Nov 14, 2011 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
major pieces are definitely there...
and it’s a fun team to watch. It’s the only team I watch outside the Hawks on a semi-regular basis. They have a lot of holes to patch up but at least they have some really good veteran leadership in Smyth there to help grow that team.
Scary good
EDM has the potential to be really really good in the next couple of years. If they can get a couple D-men and a Crow-like tender, watch out!
Anyone know what their minor leagues hold in that regard?
by ToewsFatherInLaw on Nov 14, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
You mean Barker isn't the Answer?
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
depends on the quesion...
and if it’s Jeopardy the question is “Is a Shit Defenceman who cost way too much when we (hhaahaha) unloaded him” then Cam Barker would be the correct answer…
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
Keith, especially, was a product of the hawks making good out of the lower rounds in the draft,
Which edmonton has yet to really do. Give edmonton another couple of years though, if they can keep that nucleus together, I coud see edmonton unseat an agaim Canucks team in the Northwest, eventually.
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by Detroit Must Die on Nov 14, 2011 10:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
BACK TO THE 80s here pretty soon with the Oil.
They will be hitting their stride when Toews-Kane and Co. will be in their prime veteran years. Should be some good playoff battles ahead.
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by HjammerTime on Nov 14, 2011 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
One thing about the Oil, no real dirty players, if, big if, they get enough quality players they will be worthy opponents
…unlike certain other teams
No Swagger, No Dagger
by Saskjet on Nov 14, 2011 10:37 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
and even though Kane and Toews will be in the 30s
They will still grow beards like those from their early years.
So with Seabs out we're looking at this:
Monty/Keith
Hjammer/Leddy
Long Reach/Old Donald or Lepisto
I would THINK that it’d be Lepisto because the pairing of Scott and O’Donnell would be glacial.
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by Andrew Cieslak on Nov 14, 2011 10:12 AM CST reply actions
Lots of "direct play" potential from that 3rd pair.
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by HjammerTime on Nov 14, 2011 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
Monty's goal was pretty sweet
Kane had all the time in the world to make that pass. Also saw Kaner, a few times, roll through three clustered Oilers like it was nothing, which is always fun to watch.
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Anaheim claims Niklas Hagman off waivers from Calgary.
Why? The Ducks are claiming everyone these days..
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Shits and giggles
and to make Calgary sink $1.5 million of their salary cap into a guy who’s on another team’s roster
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Nov 14, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Ok, I'm just gonna throw this one out there
Stalberg, Bickell, + a pick and/or prospect for Jerome Iginla (assuming he’s willing to waive his NMC). There, I said it. Now Stan, get Feaster on the phone and make this happen.
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
sorry
I’m too busy rolling around on the floor, pounding my fists, to hear you..
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
Is that good enough?
If I’m Calgary, certainly I’m looking at that deal and saying, “um … let’s see what else is out there.” I mean, it’d be great to get Iginla, but I assume the Hawks would have to give someone up that they actually care about.
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Deal.
though I don’t think it is from the CGY side.
by oregon_hawk on Nov 14, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
did Dale Tallon
take over at Calgary while I was asleep?
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Judging from the Phanouf deal
Feaster isn’t exactly a master of making trades…
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by FrankStallone on Nov 14, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
this is true..
sadly I think it would need some Uncle Dale love to accept Stals/Bicks + picks to get JALATJEI… more’s the pity
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
damn it people, let me dream!
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Nov 14, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
oh, it's a dream I have too
and I think it could happen, but, yeah, we’d have to give up a lot more..
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
Doubtful
If iggy is leaving calgary (which is a huge if because unless iginla really wants out of calgary the ownership will not trade him).
Then you have other teams with more to give than the hawks have.
But, and this is a pretty big but
Iggy has a full NMC, and while no one’s saying that there’s any certainty that Iginla would be willing to waive it for the ‘Hawks there’s also no kind of guarantee that any team that would be willing to offer more than the ’Hawks would be able to convince Iginla to waive that NMC. If Iginla moves anywhere, which is also a big if, I think Chicago would likely be on the short list of possible destinations due to the ’Hawks being one of the few teams that has the combination of both quality prospects they could offer enticing the Flames organization and being able to potentially entice Iginla to waive his NMC by virtue of being ready to win now. Plenty of teams have a deep prospect pool that could entice Calgary but are not in a position to win now thus would be unlikely to convince Iginla to waive his NMC, plenty of teams are in a good position to contend this year and could thus potentially entice Iginla to waive his NMC but lack the trade pieces to interest the Flames; the ’Hawks are one of only a handful of teams that have both.
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Nov 14, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
agreed
and to put it another way:
JALATJEI wants Cup.. he also knows that the clock is ticking so JALATJEI want potential Cup Winner now!
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
Guys this is a salary cap league
No way the Hawks can add Iggy on this team. You are talking 7M for a 35 year old. Your choice here is Iggy and a 500K player or Hossa and Frolik.
If the Flames are willing to move him at the deadline
and the ‘Hawks continue to bank cap space every day of the season from now ’til then, I’m fairly certain that the ’Hawks would have the cap space to add him without subtracting anything
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by FrankStallone on Nov 14, 2011 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
Can they
bury Olesz in Rockford/Europe (a la Huet)?
and then
TRADE HIM!!
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
why stop there?
Might as well bring in Malkin for Skille. I’m sure Tallon won’t mind if we did.
"excuse, me, Dale.."
“would you mind just singing here, here and, oh, here.. thanks, mate.. the details? Oh, we’ll let you know later..”
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
we'll facks them to you later.
Pardon me I'm only bleeding But you cut me To the bone And tonight You're probably feeling Like a Human Cannonball
I was only inquiring about
the cap space thing. I’ve been wondering why they haven’t already buried Olesz already for cap room. The guy never needs to play.
I am not the type that would actually think Stalberg/Bickell could fetch anything of significant value.
Cap space
CNS pointed this out. You can waive Olesz and have all kinds of cap space. 5M in cap space can get you 10-20M in available space at the deadline. Problem is it will cost you too much in assets to trade for someone that costs that much. And then you are in cap hell for next year. And no prospects left to do anything about it.
As for Olesz, either the Hawks are idiots, or they think that Olesz will get better with more time to recover from his knee injury. Let’s see what the Hawks do with Olesz by the end of January. Since that looks like the Hawks play for him.
they could try...
but still doesn’t give the team enough room to take on another $7mil contract. Not to speak of the expiring contracts the team will need to fill in…
Love Iggy but we’re better off picking up two $3.5 mil expiring contracts at the trade deadline. One to fill holes in our D and another to fill a top 6 forward position.
Don't forget the cap hit is prorated, so hiding Ochocinco as well as Huet could get you $ 16 million + in salary at the trade deadline...
Or am I completely wrong/ confused/ FOS? Someone will tell me I’m sure..
No Swagger, No Dagger
poor Huet
Guy deserved better. Not much better, but still.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
I agree
but, I don’t feel TOO sorry for him. He’s still making way more money than me and he’s playing hockey for a living. I’d trade him jobs in a heartbeat.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
Other teams have more than the hawks
Somebody is giving calgary a blue chipper for iggy, the hawks do not have a blue chipper. That or a good, young roster player.
The wings probably have a better prospect pool than the hawks, LA has more assets, vancouver has hodgson and schnieder (but no cap space). I just don’t see the hawks outbidding these teams and then you have the bruins, blues, panthers, stars, preds.
If the iggy is on the block there are just too many teams to compete with that have better assets to give up for him.
oh, let an Old Man
have his Dreams.. :p
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
dang if you ain't
harshing the buzz here :p.. but you’re also right..
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
There's only one thing you need to know
why Iggy won’t be on the Hawks: I love Iggy and god hates me. The end.
so its YOUR fault
(sharpens scythe, ignites flaming torch, assembles mob)
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
I would give up Sharpie
+ prospect + pick for Iginla….
You and your mom are hillbillies. This is a house of learn-ed doctors. ----- Dale Doback
by Boris Mironov on Nov 14, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
Giving up Sharp
would making keeping Iggie for both years more realistic… Also, the last 2 games aside, Sharp’s sudden unwillingness to play any kind of defense or consistently give a shit is wearing a little thin with me… Iginla would fill more of a need for this team, and in 2 years when the likes of Saad, Morin, Danault are ready Sharp would be expendable anyway. Also, Calgary would be getting a solid replacement sniper who is younger and locked up at a better number for them, since they are at least 3 years from being relevant. I’m absolutely positive it would never happen, but I wouldn’t mind it for the short and long term…
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by Boris Mironov on Nov 14, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
in a heartbeat
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously?
He’s 34 and will make $7m this year and next. With the CBA up, who knows what the cap will look like next year. And we just traded a $7m contract away, why would we add a new one? Iginla is awesome, but not at that price and not for Saad. He could be pretty damn good in a few years, I don’t want to lose that.
by Katherine215 on Nov 14, 2011 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
I am still not sold on Iginla being the best (or even one of the better potential possibilities for the Hawks)
Scoring wise, the Hawks are doing fine, again. That is a hefty price and a hefty burden as well, I think better options are out there come the time.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Nov 14, 2011 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
yer probably right
but I do have a Man-Crush on JALATJEI… he’s one of a handful of NHL players that I would love to see wearing the Indian Head… and the whole thing with Saad is, awesome a prospect as he is, he’s still a prospect.. I mean we’ve never, ever seen someone not consistently transfer their Junior/AHL play to the Big Club before, have we?
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
I realize there's no guarantees about Saad
(hence the “could be”), but I just don’t think you trade him for Iginla given the $$ situation and the needs of the team. He still makes an excellent man crush though!
by Katherine215 on Nov 14, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
That's what's so awesome about the Hawks right now.
They can afford a lot of “could be’s” because they certainly have a rather large number of “right now’s”. They are the anti-Cubs.
by northernsails on Nov 14, 2011 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
No, definitely not
I would KILL to see Iginla in an Indianhead sweater this season, but when I say “a pick and/or a prospect” I would amend that to be “a prospect not named Brandon Saad or Jeremy Morin”. The rest are fair game that I’d be more than willing to part with for Iginla, but Saad and Morin shouldn’t be touched IMO
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by FrankStallone on Nov 14, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
I can't help but remember
how bad we wanted Iginla before the strike.
yeah but that really WAS a pipedream
why he would’ve wanted to come here given the state of the franchise at that time is beyond me.
That's part of the reason we wanted him.
To give us some undeserved credibility. (Remember, at that time we thought Old Man Wirtz would live forever just to spite us).
considering the big money Iginla makes
I don’t see a move happening without Olesz’z cap hit moving somewhere. Since the Hawks won’t burry him at the Rock that means he would have to be a piece of any bargain for a big money player
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by Detroit Must Die on Nov 14, 2011 4:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
B&C used the same pic as here
But the Caption there is
Lennart Petrell (top) and Ladislav Smid (bottom) attempt a Vulcan mind meld as Patrick Kane cruises in on the Oilers net.
funny! lol
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Nov 14, 2011 12:14 PM CST reply actions
you mean this?
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
who would have predicted EDM & DAL in the #2 & # spots?
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
I knew Dallas was going to be better than people thought, because I saw how Jamie Benn and Loui Eriksson played in the last half of last season, and their new coach is the sort that just demands buying in, but #2? No fucking way.
this combination of ballet and murder ♥
Twittars!
DAL is not really too surprising
EDM though is, but they may be heading back to earth now after a rough 2-4 road trip.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Nov 14, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
we'll see though..
I’m with Julia in that thought the Stars would be a “suprise” package but not to this extent.. and EDM may head back to earth from the dizzy heights they’re currently at but they won’t be in the basement like they have the past few years.
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
I think DAL will eventually settle down a little lower
But the fact they are playing well, and in the thick of it like they are is too me not surprising, so this early is not a shocker to see them 2, since they are also only 3 points from being in 9th!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Nov 14, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, it's tighter than
(insert inappropriate similie here) in the West at the moment.. but then, it is early doors..
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
Don't need or even want to be President's Cup winner at the end of the day...we just need to be confident and cohesive at playoff time, lines set, D playing well...
always better to be under the radar a little bit, but feared as well…
No Swagger, No Dagger
oh, but the banner
looks so neat! I mean, we could take down that tatty old one from, what does it say, 1934? Jeez, straight in the trash!
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
1934? Take down the 2010 embarrassment more like it
Pardon me I'm only bleeding But you cut me To the bone And tonight You're probably feeling Like a Human Cannonball
we'll get rid of that one
to raise Bufurfugleen’s number to the rafters..
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
Does Bufurfugleen's number
get printed on Jagermeister billboard or a jersey prior to the ceremonies?
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by Boris Mironov on Nov 14, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
can't it be both?
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 5:16 PM CST up reply actions
GENIUS!!!!
A specialty Frankenjersey combining both the IceHogs (no manipulations allowed to Indian Head) jersey and a Jager bottle… With Buff’s name mispelled… I think this would serve his legacy better than he probably deserves…
You and your mom are hillbillies. This is a house of learn-ed doctors. ----- Dale Doback
by Boris Mironov on Nov 14, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe they'll let the Old Farts where 33 from now on
#21, #9…those guys have to be tired of wearing numbers nobody recognizes.
Pardon me I'm only bleeding But you cut me To the bone And tonight You're probably feeling Like a Human Cannonball
the first example
of a team “Retarding” a number…
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
Top four would be nice so that we'd have home ice.
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by Steeg of their own on Nov 14, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
#1 In conference should be a reasonable goal
But no need to go overboard or risky with it, and even less for the Cannots Trophy
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Nov 14, 2011 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
Our ability to be number one in the West
is more controlled by the also-rans in the Northwest getting better. That may be the case this year though.
gotta love that Wild..
not to mention the Oil, of course..
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
that trophy's almost like a curse
I’m too lazy to look it up, but it almost seems as though whomever wins that thing rarely wins the cup. All about peaking at the right time, I would guess.
Actually, the facts are that Prez Cup winnahs have the highest SC win percentage of anyone, but it's around 30%...
…so Prez Cuppers vs. the field they lose overall, but against any single team they have the best chance
No Swagger, No Dagger
Maybe it just applies...
to President’s Cup winners on the west coast??? SJS and VAN certainly are helping that stigma…
You and your mom are hillbillies. This is a house of learn-ed doctors. ----- Dale Doback
by Boris Mironov on Nov 14, 2011 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
last two years' winners
being an excellent case in point hahahahaha!!
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
FYI
Since the President’s Trophy began in 1985-85 Here you go.
Total times awarded = 25
SC Wins = 7 (28%)
SCF Apperances =10 (40%)
Lost in CF = 5 (20%)
Lost in SF = 5 (20%)
Lost in QF = 5 (20%)
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Nov 14, 2011 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
The President's Trophy really doesn't say much about a team's ability to win Stanley
Really it just indicates that this team didn’t throw away games to teams they should be able to beat, not how well they play against other cup contenders.
Not sure how you came to your conclusion, but regardless, I disagree here.
You get the Presidents’ Trophy for being the best team during the regular season, but winning the Stanley Cup requires two more months of hockey. Two months where you can run into a hot goalie, catch the injury bug, a number of players slump simultaneously, etc, etc.
It’s a long road and a good bit of luck is often involved. Making it to the finals 40% of the time is pretty impressive.
Presidents’ Cup? Yes, please.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Nov 14, 2011 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
Forgetting that you’re adding two months onto an already long season, the caliber of the teams you face in the playoffs are (theoretically) the best of the league. And you have to manage four wins out of a seven game series before moving onto a (theoretically, again) tougher opponent. There are no Winnipegs or Columbuses.
In the regular season these would be easy points to rack up, but considering what happened last Wednesday against St. Louis, teams shit the bed and there go those points you should have pocketed. Just thinking on last year, our team was much better than our record indicated, but there were so many times where we threw a game away. We ended up 8th because we couldn’t finish, not because we couldn’t keep up with other playoff teams.
So the same could be said about Vancouver. They won the Trophy because they earned points from teams on the bottom half of the standings, not because they dominated against other contenders. Winning the trophy shows a lot about your team’s ability to stay consistent, but not how they’ll handle the playoffs where anything can happen.
Which is not to say I wouldn’t like to finish first in the league, not at all. I’m just not going to be like Vancouver and start planning what I’m going to do on my day with the cup.
In order to reach your conclusion
you would have to analyze the W% of the Pres Trophy winners against playoff and non-playoff teams – and then compare that ratio to the the rest of the league.
Otherwise you’re just assuming that Pres Trophy winners simply do better against weak teams, but don’t excel against other strong team
They won the Trophy because they earned points from teams on the bottom half of the standings, not because they dominated against other contenders.This is simply not true. Dominate teams tend to dominate. Period.
And that’s why they make it to the Finals 40% of the time and win it 28% of the time, even though the “average” playoff team has about only a 6% chance of winning the Cup.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Nov 14, 2011 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
The Capitals also won it the year the Hawks won Lord Stanley's trophy
They can have it, I prefer the bigger one.
by northernsails on Nov 14, 2011 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
That's my point though
Presidents’ Cup trophy winners tend to do more than 4-5 times better in the playoffs than the “average” playoff team (6.25% chance of winning the Cup) and the average league-wide team (3.33% chance of winning).
Two years doesn’t make it a trend and whether we hate the Nucks or not, they got within one game of winning it all. The idea that Pres Cup winners only beat up on bad team is false. Even looking at SOS doesn’t tell us how they actually fared against good or bad teams unless we look at the actual game results.
Verstig!!
by ChicagoNativeSon on Nov 14, 2011 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
even though the last three winners all come from “weaker” Divisions, just a look at how often SCUM have won it (while quite frequently getting that other big silver drinking thingy) indicates that to win it you have to be pretty effing good at Hockey..
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
The "weaker" division thing is interesting
They only play two extra games against each division team, so 8 games total. So less than 10% of their record is derived from playing those teams.
Say you’re the best team in a strong division. You’re still probably, on average, going to beat your lesser division rivals at least 50% of the time (likely higher). Let’s say the top team in a weak division beats it’s divisional rivals 70% of the time.
It’s only a difference of 3 points over the course of the season. (8pts compared to 11pts). Therefore the whole “but they were in a weak division” meme is overstated.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Nov 15, 2011 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
I'll buy that
plus there’s the less-easy to measure confidence factors like “I’ve just beaten up on hell of good teams, out of my way puny humans” that would accompany someone who’d done the funky chicken on a “tougher” Div.. (you know, the way Hossa must feel all the time..)
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by mightymike D on Nov 15, 2011 12:22 AM CST up reply actions
Depth
One of the things that really isn’t talked about much is team depth. Teams that win the Presidents Trophy tend to go 26 or 27 deep. This lets them win at a greater ratio over an 82 game season since they can absorb more injuries.
Now in the playoffs, teams don’t tend to need to go that deep in their roster. And if they do, they probably aren’t going to win anyway. With the shorter postseason health can play a big part. So one of the advantages of the best teams in the regular season can go away in the playoffs.
Hawks showed that last year. They could compete with the Canucks with their top 18 skaters. At least when Bolland was back. They just couldn’t compete when they had a couple of injuries.
Okay, real numbers then:
Against teams that didn’t make the playoff cut last year, the Canucks were 37-8 (regulation and OT combined), but only 17-20 against teams that did make the playoffs.
Also, they may win 28% of the time, they still lose it 72%. President’s Cup may get you in the building, but not the entire cup
Three things...
- We were discussing the history of Presidents’ Trophy winners, not the Canucks. And again, even they were within a game of winning it.
- No one claimed it guarantees you the Cup, so you’re making a straw man argument. And if we lump the chances of the non-Presidents’ Trophy winners, they lose the Cup individually on average 95.31% of the time. By reversing the percentage, it doesn’t change it. Presidents’ Trophy winners have historically done much better in the playoffs.
- Solely looking at the Nucks record doesn’t show us anything without looking at how the rest of the playoff teams did against playoff and non-playoff teams.
I’m assuming that you’re probably right that the Nucks did win a higher ratio of games against non-playoff teams than the norm, but your original statement was not in regards to the Nucks, it was in response to the PT being a curse.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Nov 15, 2011 12:26 AM CST up reply actions
okay wait I'm going to rephrase my original statement
Because I was thinking of the Canucks.
I still don’t think the President’s Trophy says anything about a team’s ability to win a cup. But instead of generalizing, I’ll make amends and say that you have to look at where those wins came from. In some cases, like the Canucks, it comes from wins against non-playoff teams.
I was originally agreeing that it doesn’t guarantee you the cup, so no argument there. However, percentages don’t mean anything because it’s different playoffs every year with different teams and different match ups. While it’s interesting to have and see the difference, it won’t tell you about the chances of winning the cup facing certain kinds of teams in certain situations.
I don’t think the trophy is a curse. I don’t think it’s a guarantee. It’s just shiny.
I think the PT has less to do with it than something as simple as
the #1 overall seed has a much greater chance of winning the Cup than the #16 overall seed, with gray area in between.
Yeah, in any given year anything can happen, but over time a trend develops. So this year like any other single season, the PT winner will ultimately win it 100% of the time or 0% of the time. But winning the PT means you’ve put yourself in a good position for that run.
Good discussion.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Nov 15, 2011 12:52 AM CST up reply actions
lol
everyone commenting on the no. 2&3 spots of the conference.
just bask in the number 1ness of the standings.
yes, it does have a certain
“number 1ness” quality to it alright! (sadly VAN are now at the dizzying height of 17th in the league as this was grabbed before NHL.com got around to updating the late games)
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
We aren't in first by enough points
We’re Doomed!
and waylon'd! :p
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
can you explain that concept of "waylon'd"?
Please forgive the slight newbishness there.
by northernsails on Nov 14, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
gotcha. so I'll know what it means the next time I get one...which probably wont be very long now ;)
by northernsails on Nov 14, 2011 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
named after Waylon
who took IIRC several years to figure out how the reply button works and even still does it constantly.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
several years?
More like two, thank you very much! Now I say good day to you, sir!
We're prone to tons of hyperbole here.
The point is, you and the reply button just didn’t connect for a long time… LOL
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
i think you meant
We’re epic-star-crushingly, totes-spreading-our-legs-and thinking-of England, susceptible To Hyper-fucking-eat-the-tears-of-generation-as-yet-born-bole..
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
still don't at times
but since my droid HTC has one of the suckiest virtual keyboards around these days, I don’t think that’s going to change soon – and the lack of a decent app here doesn’t help matters any, it makes it quite difficult to reply in any sane or coherent manner.
I hear you on the lack of a decent droid app.
I’m due for a new phone and I don’t know what to get. I may get another Motorola but we’ll see.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
I have a Thunderbolt. Although I dont like being on sbnation on it
Swype works really well for me.
by northernsails on Nov 15, 2011 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
did I say several?
I meant, “a handful”.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
new from NHL.com
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Huge cheap shot by lucic
should be suspended for 4 games. I am definitely circling the next sabres vs bruins game on my calender by the way.
an excellent comparison on goalie hits...
let’s see
Brian Gionta 5’7", 174lb
Milan Lucic: 6’3". 228lb…
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
He brought up Gionta and my first thought was "yeah right".
Bringing up the smallest guy in the league is probably not the way to make your case that you didn’t actually intend to do damage.
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." ~gmh
by Steeg of their own on Nov 14, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
yeah exactly
and “no contact with the head”.. really? why were there pieces flying off Miller’s helmet then?
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
Goalie helmets pop off all the time
I think any goalie that skates out of the crease into a player barrelling down on them is asking for a bit of trouble. Should the player move? Yeah. Could he have moved? Sure. But we’re talking Bonesaw barging in. Personally, I think Miller turned into him wanting to take a little contact to draw a penalty and got more than he bargained for.
This stuff used to happen way more often, and it works. Run a goalie and they play scared or get edgy. Every one of them. It’s cheating but it’ll help you win and I think it will take Miller a long time before he isn’t shy when people crash the crease.
I’m interested to see the ruling because to me it didn’t look like Lucic caught his head at all (back of leading shoulder IMO).
You are next.
by M7 on Nov 14, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Should add...
… Miller turned in wanting to take a little contact, but Lucic definitely decided he was going to give him some. On a re-read it looked like I was saying that Lucic was innocent. Not at all, he wanting to give some to Miller for sure and should get suspended, but I’m not sure how long.
You are next.
by M7 on Nov 14, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
heh
for a moment I read “Bonesaw” as “Boneslaw”… and I’ll be interested to see the ruling & video too
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
RIP MACHO MAN
Chicago homer since conception in '87
The best and fastest way to learn a sport is to watch and imitate a champion.
-- Jean-Claude Killy
Cannots take note^
by TazerNation19 on Nov 14, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
It's gonna be tricky...
and funny because I seem to remember Shanny doing exactly this to a few goalies in his time. And I feel bad for Miller because things just haven’t been going his way this season with Enroth playing so well etc.
I do feel that Miller’s intent was to absorb a little contact from Luc though. No way of proving it, just a gut instinct and something we’ve all seen from goalies before (after playing the puck behind the net etc.)
You are next.
by M7 on Nov 14, 2011 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
oh, definitlely..
he’s so far out that he has to be inviting some form of contact. However I don’t buy the Lucic line that “I looked up and there he was”.. better Hockey Brains than me (i.e. everyone), does this fall into the “Vulnerable position” argument?
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, that was a BS retort from Bonesaw
I have no idea how that “Vulnerable Position” thing is interpreted. None. To me, on a 50/50 puck, nobody can be vulnerable as both parties are aware of the dangers. Is a goalie more vulnerable than a skater? I’d say yes, but I would also say he put himself into a vulnerable position (to a degree).
You are next.
by M7 on Nov 14, 2011 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
Miller missed
but he attempted a pretty vicious slash while sitting on his rump on the ice.
by transienthawk on Nov 14, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
saw that..
right before he keeled over!
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
and i’ve been annoyed by all the criticism of Buffalo (especially on PD) for not “manning up” and going after Lucic.. they do, but notice the Boston heavyweights who are right there…
“excuse me, Mr Chara, could you just step aside while I thump your teammate. Ta.”
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
They are criticizing theirselves.
The criticism comes directly from the horses mouth so what is your problem?
Yes.
Buffalo doesn’t have the tools like the Hawks do to punish teams on the scoresheet for their various cheap behavior. It’s pretty disgraceful they let their all-world goaltender get absolutely railroaded (not that I cared) without consequence. If I were a Buffalo fan, I would have been willing to let all sorts of tomfoolery slide after that.
Cheertheanthem.com
i remember that feeling
seeing some of our skill players get punked last year without much reprisal even with the aircraft carrier on the ice. i would’ve flipped out if i were a buffalo fan and people weren’t running lucic all night.
Very frustrating
I know people try to go out of their way no to appear meatheaded around here….but most people think there is a time and a place for fighting in hockey. That would have been one of those times.
Cheertheanthem.com
I'll agree here too..
and I’m sure the Sabres guys wished they had a do-over.. but they didn’t and for PD to suggest that they’re “Gutless” is a bit on the harsh side, IMO…
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
"Hey Bobby, It's me, Bobby"
(Hull calms down, Orr helps him up)
Nope. Nothing’s changed in hockey.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Nov 14, 2011 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
my problems are too many to list here..
and i know the Sabres players have been throwing themselves on the sword (anyone, anyone?) but it seemed to follow the articles saying they should.. and this is the P Diddy one that bothers me…
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
They threw themselves on the sword in the post game interviews
Don’t know how you think throwing themselves on the sword was a reaction to media criticism.
You have to stand up for your teammates, especially your goalie, and expecially your stars. Whether it means getting your @ss kicked or not.
well.. that's kind of my point
again, this is IMO, they stepped up straight away and just got outmuscled by aforementioned Bruin Monsters… whether they should have done something later, maybe they should but Miller was still playing and they were busy getting their asses handed to them.. anyway, as you mention earlier, I’ll be interested to see what happens too.. the slow-mos that i can find on teh interwebz aren’t conclusive about the head hit but that helmet really flies.. and I’m sure the Shanahan video will have multiple slo-mos that we mere mortals don’t have access to..
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
No push back is part of that reason.
When a team doesn’t stand up for themselves the bruins push them around (see stanley cup finals last year).
I just personally thought it was a cheap shot and what bugged me even more was lucic’s reaction post game. Head shot or not that is clearly a cheap shot, he decked a goalie. For lucic to react to that by laughing about how it pumped up the fans and his team is just scummy. Couldn’t agree with ryan miller’s post game interview more.
heh
he didn’t mince his words.. and I’d love to know what he said to Lucic as he was being skated off the ice past him.. although I have a funny feeling it would be NSFW
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
Even his reaction right afterwards
While I was watching the replay, it looks like he is almost smiling up against the boards in the scrum then again when the ref is leading him off the ice. It was definitely unnecessary and shows a HUGE lack of respect for his fellow players.
Chicago homer since conception in '87
The best and fastest way to learn a sport is to watch and imitate a champion.
-- Jean-Claude Killy
Cannots take note^
by TazerNation19 on Nov 14, 2011 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know how many players are actually honest about their hits
but what he said was complete bs. He knew exactly where Miller was and exactly what he was doing. He’s not new to hockey – he has some on ice awareness. his reaction after the hit and in the post game were definitely scummy
"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Harry Potter
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Nov 14, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
No one can skate over and punch him in the face
….against the rules and he doesn’t even have to fight anyone, he can smirk all he wants
30 years ago and probably 20 he would have been eviscerated. Then the players could police themselves and goalies weren’t 90% unnecessary padding. There is no “old time hockey” anymore. Its a thing of the past.
by TurdFurgeson on Nov 14, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
What?
I think the Cannots started things off quite early with their cheap – shottiness…it took the Bruins until Game 3 after one of the best players got ruined before they started dishing it out in kind. Granted I don’t like the Bruin’s style of play a bit, but they didn’t strike first in that series.
Agreed...
The Bruin’s didn’t look that nasty till they all had to sit and watch one of their teammates having a goddamn seizure on the ice… Aaron Rome = Boston’s sparkplug…
You and your mom are hillbillies. This is a house of learn-ed doctors. ----- Dale Doback
by Boris Mironov on Nov 14, 2011 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
People say it's a new day ...
and self-policing in the NHL is a thing of the past, but if this is the future of the NHL then somewhere Ulf Samulsson and Dino pussyrelli are smiling. Guy’s run over goalies then get to smirk to the media after the game?!? What has happened to my precious NHL???
I politely withdraw my snarky comment based on lack of knowledge.
by Billy Charlesbois on Nov 14, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
so, a bit of Spam made it through my filters today (bad filters.. to the doghouse!)
Thought I’d adapt it..
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 2:24 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
I keep getting spam from someone and I have Gmail. I thought their filters were better than this.
Just blocked her, so I hope that stops it.
by northernsails on Nov 14, 2011 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
I'll be interested to see
the NHL Video…
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
Let's hope it's a wake-up call to teams ...
that you can’t let Shannahan handle your dirty laundry for you.
I politely withdraw my snarky comment based on lack of knowledge.
by Billy Charlesbois on Nov 14, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
as opposed to
“I can brain the Goalie and get away with it”.. which I think ol’ Milan got away with.. but as I said, I’ll wait to see the slo-mo from the NHL…
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
It didn't even look like he got his head to me.
It doesn’t sound like a video is forthcoming.
Cheertheanthem.com
that would be unusual for a "controversial" decision..
and I couldn’t decide on a head hit or not from the shitty videos available… but to explain why this isn’t a suspension requires some backing.. even if it wasn’t a head-hit it was late and Lucic had his arms up…. looks like he had time to avoid a hit on a ‘vulnerable’ player, although, as M7 said earlier, we have no idea if that “Put himself in a vulnerable position” even applies here..
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
vulnerable player isn't usually applied to a guy in open ice who's just played the puck, even goalies
checking a goalie outside of the crease who plays the puck is still legal, isn’t it?
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
I really wish Ryan Miller was the US Goaltender
Because I hate that guy a little more every day. Eastern Conference Lu.
Cheertheanthem.com
His post game rant was pretty off-putting
Lots of whine in him. I’m glad no suspension but thought a 1 gamer was almost foregone.
There’s always the risk of injury if you try to slip content at the last second (a dnagling leg or something) and if Lucic was able to intimate that thought to Shanny perhaps that helped his cause…
You are next.
by M7 on Nov 14, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
As far as I know, yes.
It’s still one of those unwritten rules though…
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
How did people watch hockey before HD
I forget how bad it was in the 90’s before people link to youtube videos. It’s almost impossible to see the puck in that video.
the trick to watching hockey well...is not to even try to watch the puck
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
I get so frustrated
when my southern comrades down here tell me they can’t watch hockey because they can’t follow the puck. But there’s only so much screaming “that’s not the point!” will do.
this combination of ballet and murder ♥
Twittars!
You could say this about most sports
but most people watch the basketball, or the football, or the soccer ball. I enjoy a well developed play but I still want to see the little black biscuit go into the net. I especially enjoy a well developed play when I see what’s going to happen before it happens. It might not happen all that often but it’s a great feeling when it does.
All praise to HD
I ask the same thing all the time. How did we watch hockey before HD? As a kid we watched it on about a 17" black and white tv that was so full of snow you’d think the game was outside. HD was made for sports, hockey in particular.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
i'll agree..
as a neophyte I found it hard, at first, just to know where the puck was.. if only some media company could come up with an idea to make it easier to see… :p
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
Hello! Moderators? Are you seeing this??
Ban this godless devil worshiping Guinness drinker for suggesting such a thing!
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
so effing glad
that was before my time…
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
I'm surprised you even knew about it.
I’m trying to remember when they did that, mid ’90s? So not all that long ago I guess.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
I actually liked it toward the end when they'd toned it back a little
it was great for following the puck along the near boards
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
I have been
researching my NHL History in my spare time.. particularly the Infamous parts now I also know what a Vesa Toskala Save looks like..
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
all your Goals
Are Belong To Us!
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
I will admit
I found the technology interesting, but that’s all. I hated it. Such a distraction.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
God that was awful to watch
Hey a glowing puck! Fuck your dam glowing puck. However I find it funny they can do something like that but not put a chip in their to see if it’s a goal
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
Completley different concept
FoxTrax had an error of inches to feet. When you are talking goals 1/8 accuracy is not enough, and combine it with the having to also know the exact orientation of the puck (which would require an internal gyro in an active system) it is impractical to even attempt right now (costs would be very high to make one resilient enough to enough prototype).
It is not as easy as you think to get accuracy needed from a passive system (an active system would not last inside a puck) and add the huge amount of sensors that would be needed to ensure 4 points of a clear line of sight to be able to determine its position in space to the incredible accuracy needed is allot. You can’t put a chip in the puck and state "if the Puck goes past point “A” by 1.5" (1/2 puck diameter) it is a goals, since 0.51" may be enough to be a goal, but 3-1/8" may also NOT be enough to completely cross the goal line (hence the reason to having to know exact orientation as well)
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Nov 14, 2011 4:56 PM CST up reply actions
A more practical approach...
might involve mini camera’s built into the crossbars… That would be too simple however…
You and your mom are hillbillies. This is a house of learn-ed doctors. ----- Dale Doback
by Boris Mironov on Nov 14, 2011 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
I'm wondering why they can't use the Eagle Eye technology
It’s good for telling in vs. out in tennis, and I think it’s starting to get used in other sports. If they could get it to work for hockey I wonder why it wouldn’t work for figuring out goals.
Because that deals with a sphere whose dimensions on uniform from center
Using at least 2 different calibrated cameras. A pucks apparent size changes with orientation because dimension are not uniform from center and you cannot always guarantee 2+ camera Line of Sight. This is also why it can be used in baseball (strike zone overlay showing where the ball passed) and soccer for goals. A non uniform shape requires much much more technology.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Nov 14, 2011 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
thanks TMFF
now my brain hurts..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 15, 2011 12:01 AM CST up reply actions
Not to mention
I just don’t like adding all that technology to a sport. Human error is a part of the game. I can live with it.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
Looks like IR emitters, same as WII controllers basically.
Pardon me I'm only bleeding But you cut me To the bone And tonight You're probably feeling Like a Human Cannonball
Oooh...reply fail but within the right thread...
Pardon me I'm only bleeding But you cut me To the bone And tonight You're probably feeling Like a Human Cannonball
Are you Sheldon Cooper?
"What is icing?"
"Well, uh... icing appen when uh the puck come down... bang, you know, before the other guys, nobody there, you know. My arm go comme ça then the game stop then start up."
by anActiveStick on Nov 15, 2011 12:32 AM CST up reply actions
Did it even work?
I was alive at the time but didn’t watch much hockey in those days. How well did the flash thingie actually track the puck? Were there delays on weird bounces, or time when it would drop out, or shit like that?
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
Good question
The flash thingie actually tracked the puck very well. As Krome alluded, at first it was hideously annoying but they toned it down toward the end. I never liked it though. To this day I have no idea how it worked. I don’t recall what happened with weird bounces.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
There was a chip in the puck.
The whole thing was automatic.
That doesn't tell me anything
“Automatic” systems still have errors.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
The "bulbs" you see are IR (InfraRed) lights
Not visible to the eye, but sensors placed around the stadium could track the puck in motion using triangluation (visible by 2+ sensors with significantly different lines of sight).
Before it is asked, no you cannot use this same premise for goal verification, since in order for this system to work, the puck needs to be visible to the sensors. If it is visble to the sensor it can be also seen by a camera. If a camera can not see the puck nor can the senors. So a puck obscured in some manner would still be up to what the on ice official beleived he saw. If the puck IS sible to the sensors, it would also to one or more of the many cameras looking in a net, and then you would be back to actually looking to see if the puck crossed the line.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Nov 15, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
exactly
I upgraded to HD over 5 years ago now, and I still feel like the novelty has yet to wear off. Even now, in 2011, when I know almost any given sporting event will be HD, I find myself saying, “Wow, this is so much better in HD.”
It’s weird. Should be used to it by now but I’m not.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
But it could be better.
I kid. I KID! LOL
Seriously, sometimes I will switch to the non-HD channel just to remind myself of how bad life used to be. LOL
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
heh
I do that too, when my wife says something like, “You notice these things more than me.”
Oh yeah? [switch to SD channel]
“OK fine, you’re right. But it still doesn’t matter much to me.”
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
I said that too
when a former boyfriend I was living with bought an HDTV. I didn’t see the point in spending all that money. We broke up about a year later, and < 2 months after that, I had my own HDTV. I couldn’t live without it and I had to eat a lot of crow for all the grief I gave him.
by Katherine215 on Nov 15, 2011 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
While I love HD I wish CenterIce would have ALL the games in HD
Pisses me off that some of the good games on TV will not be in HD. I was trying to watch one last week without and had to change it to another game because I can’t take it anymore. I feel like i’m playing NHL 94 when i watch that game
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
Exactly!!
Bought a beautiful Samsung 55" HD TV last year, specifically to watch my hockey in HD. Almost every broadcast I watch on NHL Center Ice leads in with “…brought to you in HD…”, yet only 2 channels are actually presented in HD!?!? What gives?
by ToewsFatherInLaw on Nov 14, 2011 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
DirecTV or cable?
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
I'm glad you have appreciation for the technology so many others take for granted
I find myself thankful for every game I watch in glorious HD.
"What is icing?"
"Well, uh... icing appen when uh the puck come down... bang, you know, before the other guys, nobody there, you know. My arm go comme ça then the game stop then start up."
by anActiveStick on Nov 15, 2011 12:33 AM CST up reply actions
I find myself grateful
for every game I watch on jerky low-res feed.. because that’s the only way I get to watch games
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 15, 2011 12:38 AM CST up reply actions
No, it's not
Common misconception – the goalie might not be as protected against incidental contact outside of the crease, but he’s still not fair game. No matter where he is, you can’t just run the goalie like that
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Nov 14, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
No, it is not
61.2 Penalty – In all cases in which an attacking player initiates intentional or deliberate contact with a goalkeeper, whether or not the goalkeeper is inside or outside the goal crease, and whether or not a goal is scored, the attacking player will receive a penalty (minor or major, as the Referee deems appropriate). In all cases where the infraction being imposed is to the attacking player for hindering the goalkeeper’s ability to move freely in his goal crease, the penalty to be assessed is for goalkeeper interference.
In exercising his judgment, the Referee should give more significant consideration to the degree and nature of the contact with the goalkeeper than to the exact location of the goalkeeper at the time of the contact.
That said, good call on no suspension. I think it should have been a major penalty, but nothing suspension-worthy.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Nov 14, 2011 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
And that should say “69.2”. Typo on the NHL’s own rules.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Nov 14, 2011 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
This could be a perfect incident to get the NHL revved up like a duece ...
1. A defenseless all-star goalie and all-around good guy is injured.
2. A smirking villan is born.
3. The small wimpy Sabres’ urgent response is to lose by three goals.
4. The NHL has no way to act because it was a legal.
5. Welcome back NHL Sheriffs; see you later Claude Lemiux wanna-be NHLers!
I love it! Cut Bickell today as a preventative measure from this happening to us!
I politely withdraw my snarky comment based on lack of knowledge.
by Billy Charlesbois on Nov 14, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
dirty laundry
Reminds me of when Wiz took that run on Seabs in Anaheim. Who was the first guy on Wiz? Duncan Keith. Now, Duncan Keith is going to get his ass beat by James Wisniewski 10 times out of 10, but at least he came to Seabs’ defense.
I dunno. Just seems like a big contrast between that and the way the Sabres reacted last night in Boston.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
I'm very curious about what Lucic said
They were regarding his intent; at what point did he know there was going to be a collision; and whether or not he felt he had the time to avoid the collision. I was satisfied with his answers."
Because if he didn’t get suspended because there was no intent, then frankly I think that’s bs. Now I can’t read his mind, but it looked to me like he knew exactly what he was doing. And he certainly enjoyed it if his smirk is anything to go by
"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Harry Potter
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Nov 14, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
that’s how I saw it.. if he took that “I looked up and there he was” line to the NHL then
a) Bulshit.. the video shows you looking up while Miller advances
and
b) Milan.. seriously? Like you don’t look up every couple Nanoseconds.. you’re an Elite Forward for the reigning Cup Champs..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
exactly. The first thing I thought when I saw what he said in the postgame was
dude you are in the NHL, you just won the stanley cup, and you are telling me you don’t have enough on ice awareness to know when you are going to plow into another player?
"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Harry Potter
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Nov 14, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
"no.. me sorry..
..me no spik engrish gud.. sorry for smaking Miller-Person".. yeah, Milan, we get it..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
I'm so tired of the intent argument
This isn’t murder investigation, and even if it were, intent only changes it from homicide to man-slaughter, and the person still has to do time.
And the point of these fines and suspensions for foul play is for players to be fucking aware of where they’re sticking a shoulder or an elbow, not to have happy-unicorn-fairy feelings about everyone in the league.
Disappointed in Shanahan’s ruling.
this
and in this case Lucic stuck all-883lb of himself into Miller… so I thought he should have got a Supplemenal…
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
obviously i meant 223lb...
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
honestly considering the hockey gear and the speed, 883 may be more realistic
but it should have been at least one game.
Maybe it's somewhere in between 223 and an 800lb gorilla...
Orangutan, perhaps?
They’re always so much cuter when they’re young.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Nov 14, 2011 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
that's hilarious
I think we’ve found the missing link
ha!
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
Intent to injure and intent to blow the whistle drive me crazy
how the hell do you know what they were intending.
In essence, I agree with you
"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Harry Potter
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Nov 14, 2011 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
Intent to blow the whistle can be frustrating
But it’s not bs. Intent to injure, how can you really determine that? I mean sometimes it’s pretty fucking obvious, like in the OHL game the other day when one kid took a 2-hand baseball swing to the gut, but most of the time you’re asking a 3rd party to determine what he felt someone else’s intent was since it’s not as if anyone is going to admit to trying to injure someone. With intent to blow, you can usually clearly see the official bringing his whistle to his lips and even if not it’s still simply a question of what he (the ref) intended to do in a situation where, unlike intent to injure, he has no reason to lie.
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Nov 14, 2011 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly. And I can't imagine anyone saying "oh yes I totally meant to knock his block off"
And yeah, see what you’re saying about intent to blow. Still drives me nuts though.
"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Harry Potter
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Nov 14, 2011 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
Oh yeah I agree that intent to blow can be infuriating
But unlike intent to injure it’s not complete bullshit
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Nov 14, 2011 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
I think this merely serves as a stark reminder
of the fact that when you remove the rose colored lens (heck, just about any team would look like a boy scout troop when compared to the pack of pricks that wear a Canucks sweater) the Bruins are a team that is permeated by a relatively high level of general douchebaggery.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Nov 14, 2011 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
If this were Crawford getting nailed
Pretty sure the sentiment about the play would be much different.
pretty sure Fluffy would have lit Lucic up also.
Hey, does anyone know how Scott got the name fluffy?
Think it's because he's so tall, but doesn't really do much with it
pretty sure someone has a better response than me
Because for all the hubbub about him being tough
for quite awhile, he didn’t do shit. So until he started bashing faces in, people decided to call him Fluffy.
by transienthawk on Nov 15, 2011 3:30 AM CST up reply actions
Hmmm...I thought it came about the same time as Snuggles
Which would be February last year when teammates were describing him as snuggly or fluffy like a teddy bear in jest.
Pardon me I'm only bleeding But you cut me To the bone And tonight You're probably feeling Like a Human Cannonball
probably all the of the above
but mainly because it’s funny..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 15, 2011 4:35 AM CST up reply actions
no because he couldn't catch him in the first place
I absolutely hate to agree with anything Chimpy McSmirkton says (i.e. Bieksa), but he was spot – on when he said he just skates away when Scott challenges him to a fight, laughing all the way. The man’s a slow – footed ox out there on the ice, no matter his newfound ability to stay upright for more than two seconds.
"Chimpy McSmirkton"!! Genius!
this needs to become Bieksa’s new nom de douche…
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 15, 2011 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
There was a BHTV segment
where John Scott was described as a big teddy bear, and BHTV photoshopped his head on the Snuggle bear. Then, because he wasn’t doing much except being a tall plyon in the press box (Westgarth had yet to be destroyed), he was referred to as Snuggles or Fluffy until he went out and did something to merit being considered a monster.
Then he did, but it’s fun to call him Fluffy still.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Make sure to vote early and often for all star game on NHL.com...I did my duty 30 times today, now your turn
They’ve made it a lot easier this year…not as easy as Mayor Daley used to make it, but pretty damn easy
No Swagger, No Dagger
hah!
I saw that “Vote 30 Times” and immediately thought there’d be loads of Illinois Jokes.. did you do a write-in for Fluffy?
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
Stuffing the ballot box is a sacred right in Chicago...I will not sully that august tradition of democracy by naming #32..
I did write in Crow, though, no one but Hawks should be allowed on the All- star team…
No Swagger, No Dagger
yeah, I picked Khabbi..
he’s got that (tenous) link and has drunk played out of his skin so far.. it’s a shame they don’t let you do a “Write-Out” so we could get rid of Luu.. I mean, I understand why Crow ain’t there but Lu? Seriously?
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
I wrote in Fluffy
and not Crow.. though I guess I should have.. it’s not like any poll that features AWT Nash, RJ Umberger, Bouwmeester, Luuuu and a certain Pinguins FWD who has played a grand total of Zero Minutes this year should be taken seriously..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
Did you actually write fluffy?
That could be a great news article. “Fluffy from the Blackhawks has gotten 300k write in votes. The only problem is we have no idea who fluffy is”
I did try..
but the website insists on this whole “Actual NHL Standard Hockey Player” thing.. although there’s clearly a bug in the system, because it let me write “John Scott”
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
I can't believe Crosby's on the ballot
Can Bettman hop off his dick already? I mean, yes, it’s Crosby, but it still looks like he won’t play until December at this rate.
how much you wanna bet he gets a ton of votes too
"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Harry Potter
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Nov 14, 2011 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
Ballots are made before the season starts
And it’s not called the “All-Dudes Having Playing Awesome” game, it’s the “All-Star” game. The face of the NHL has a place on the ballot.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Nov 14, 2011 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
I know it's all about franchise players than those on a streak
But considering he’s still out with a concussion they could have at least removed his name when they published it. If it turns out he does become healthy in time for the All-Star weekend, I doubt he won’t be invited because he didn’t get enough votes.
Thank God it's not called the
“All-Dudes Having Playing Awesome” game… derp.
by transienthawk on Nov 15, 2011 3:32 AM CST up reply actions
Write in Bolly
He deserves it. It will cause the Sedin’s to come up with a mystery ailment and miss game.
I endorse this message..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
I don't care who is captain, but I hope they have a pact to pick Tazer last
or at least towards the end. It was so hilarious watching him get annoyed.
"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Harry Potter
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Nov 14, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
that stinks, i liked the format last year
"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Harry Potter
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Nov 14, 2011 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
pretty sure he was the only person not enjoying the entire thing
especially the shit he got for the do-over on the accuracy competition against Sharp.
now seems like as good a time as any
to drag this out..
“New For Christmas! It’s the SCH Board Game (not that sort of Board, Mr Grind)..
All you need to play is a die, several gallons of your Beverage Of Choice* and a really strong liver… roll the dice, repeat until Dead
*=(If your Beverage Of Choice is Industrial-Level Solvents then may I recommend following a different Hockey Team.. the Beej need fans…)
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 4:32 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
yeah..
it’s “Go Back To The Start..As In ‘Be Born Again’” right there..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
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by mightymike D on Nov 14, 2011 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
So. Time to hopefully put the nail into last years' coffin.
We had 17 points after 18 games last year.
Yeah, I’ll take 25 too.
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Nov 14, 2011 4:52 PM CST reply actions
Kuc tweeting Seabs traveling to Van...yippee...
No Swagger, No Dagger
by Saskjet on Nov 14, 2011 5:50 PM CST via mobile reply actions
In lieu of the NBA being cancelled, I bring this gem from the internet
by mad-hatter on Nov 14, 2011 6:51 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
All Your Arena Belong To Us
Someone Set Us Up The Bob (Costas)
Make Your Time Out, Baby!
Pardon me I'm only bleeding But you cut me To the bone And tonight You're probably feeling Like a Human Cannonball
No, The Onion comes up with garbage
Like this Apparently the writer has no idea what hockey is about or is feigning ignorance…I’m pretty sure it’s the former. Ugh.
by BodomSlayer on Nov 14, 2011 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
90% of Onion stories about hockey
tend to be about hockey not having any fans. I love the Onion, but anytime I see a headline for a story that’s in any way about hockey I instinctively cringe
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Nov 15, 2011 7:25 AM CST up reply actions
funn-nee
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 15, 2011 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
and by NBA I mean the season
not the entire league….
Kane's One Goal commercial is up on the 'Hawks website
Compared to the other ones, it’s kinda lame… But whatever, ’Hawks videos on an off-day!
I dunno, at least I can take his seriously
Toews’ just makes me laugh. Actually Toews and Kane usually have awful commercials in general.
I want a Hossa one. I might be blinded by it, but I would like one yes.
I feel like the trick to athlete commercials
is to keep the athlete from talking, unless they’re especially charismatic. Otherwise you get ads like that super creepy Streak commercial…
Exactly, we watch them play hockey anyway, not recite poetry
Unless it’s players like Sharp. Then he can just stand there.
Uh, not always
if I had to watch that excreable Taco Bell commercial with the reliever from the SF Giants one more time I was gonna puke – the guy is obviously charasmatic as hell, but the lines they wrote for him are just awful ( “THIS IS BLACK OPS!!!” ). The whole spot is cringe – worthy.
Don't think so.
I actually don’t think he’s been in a single commercial here.
he did a radio spot
… and for some reason i think it was with kopecky.
Hossa's done a couple WGN spots
one tv one (the Pellico one that mad-hatter linked) and a Lemonhead one on the radio (listen to it here)
He hasn’t had an official Blackhawks one though, at least not to my knowledge.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Kane's is boring
It’s just a close-up of his face the whole time, while proclaiming that he works incredibly hard off the ice… and the only evidence they provide is him pushing a weight sled through a parking garage. The writing is meh, voiceover seems confused, and the visuals are far from compelling.
That’s what I meant by lame.
by transienthawk on Nov 14, 2011 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
and the only thing i can think of when i see that sled is
“that looks like it could hold a lot more weight.”
I have done that
Pushing that sled without weight across a rough concrete floor (alley) was pretty tough. And he is running, and has added weight. It’s actually killer.
It's on, bitches.
Tweeping as @ehirtens
truly enjoying both Carcillo and Scott
playing ’smart" hockey despite being defined as ’goons" . They have stayed disciplined and are following directions. Scott keeps it simple , Carcillo rides the edge , knowing when to engage and when to back off. I believe the management has made a commit to use Scott after Reaves from St Louis ran Kaner. This trip will be very entertaining.
H'8ter Proof™
Except Scott was dressed during the Blues game
and obviously shit was done about that hit. Saying Scott’s dressed is a good thing because he protects guys like Kaner and Tazer would be a reasonable excuse if he actually did so. Scott never gets into fights because no one’s dumb enough to drop the gloves with him. And he can’t even lay a decent check on these guys.
Mayers and Carcillo are the only ones fighting back for these things. Hell, even Kaner’s thrown more weight around than Scott.
by mad-hatter on Nov 14, 2011 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Scott is more likely to run someone, bounce off and land on his ass
Than he is to provide any measure of “protection”
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Nov 14, 2011 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
Just curious
What would you have had Scott do in St. Louis, since Reaves was refusing to drop gloves with him all night?
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Nov 14, 2011 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
Wouldn't have minded a nice check or two
but it’s not that he has to do something really brutal. it’s just that he’s not fighting, and he’s not a deterrence, so he can’t play the “goon” role we brought him in for.
it’s less about what he’s actually doing, and more about what people say he’s doing or what we think he should do.
As time goes on we shall see.....
…….our wise hockey men must have a path for Scott….I hope
H'8ter Proof™
Hey, MMD, Who's #1 in ESPN's NHL Power rankings?
Click these red words to find out
No Swagger, No Dagger
I feel like I'm the only person who thought Philly's reaction to Tampa's trap was retarded
Philly should be embarrassed that the team that beat them is getting whooped by the Jets 4-1 at the moment. Nice.
You're not alone
"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Harry Potter
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Nov 14, 2011 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
??
I thought that was complete BS how Philly dealt with it. I guess I didn’t read all the comments but were people generally supportive of Philly? I’ve never seen a bigger bunch of whiney assed cowards in my life. Play hockey! You don’t like the defense they put up? Well too f’ing bad. Deal with it. Dump and chase, fellas.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
Philly fans were defending it
The way they told it, it was a cross between laying the blame on Tampa for using an unfair defensive system that’s killing hockey and defending the Flyers actions as some sort of act of civil disobedience. No mention of the fact that plenty of teams have beaten it and their coach just doesn’t seem to understand how. Gotta love the delusional Philly fans, always good for a bucket of laughs
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by FrankStallone on Nov 14, 2011 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
"System that is killling hockey"
This is the biggest load of crap flowing straight from the open sewer pipe that is Pierre Laviolette, the Philly media, and Philly’s heinous fan base. A system that kills the fun of watching hockey is one that sees a defensemen stands still for 30 seconds pouting about the other team’s neutral zone trap. What a load.
I can’t believe that anyone would argue that a team with Vinny Lecavailer, Steven Stamkos, and Martin St. Louis is boring.
Say what you will about clogging up the neutral zone and what it does to the game, I guess that I am in the camp of “IYes, the trap is boring as all hell, but if there are teams who can implement it, and it wins them games, then live with it.”
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Nov 14, 2011 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
It was also floating around that the Flyers were "taking a stand" against the 1-3-1
Which I think is bs. They weren’t taking a stand, they couldn’t figure out how to beat their system and decided to pout about it.
I’m interested to see what comes out of the GM meetings when they discuss it.
"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Harry Potter
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Nov 14, 2011 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
Perhaps I'm an old sole
but in my mind the 1-3-1 is “bad” for hockey in the sense that zone defense was “bad” for the NBA.
Furthermore a game that is being attended by 19,000+ paying customers is not time the place to “take a stand.” What a classless move by a classless franchise.
I don’t think that the teams that clog up the neutral zone are the most fascinating teams in the world to watch. Yet, when I look at a team like Nashville (but, remember eveyone, they DON’T trap) and think about what a team that has a relative derth of premier talent can do with a well run defensive system, how is that not “good for hockey?”
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Nov 14, 2011 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
But in hockey
you don’t have 24 seconds to shoot the puck on goal or else you lose possession. a long battle in the neutral zone can be annoying, but even two teams that don’t trap can have those difficulties advancing to offensive zones.
and if you have a relative wealth
of premier talent, you can beat the 1-3-1 in a variety of ways. The trap does result in some dull games, but it can also be fun to watch skilled players take it apart. Either way, it’s a legitimate strategy….and I sincerely hope it is never associated with any Blackhawks team.
by Gate3anuhHalf on Nov 14, 2011 11:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I believe
that the Flyers used a 1-3-1 on us last year during that sole game in the spring. Live by the sword and die by it.
It's on, bitches.
Tweeping as @ehirtens
you mean
“live by the winged battery” right?
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 15, 2011 12:48 AM CST up reply actions
I have no problem with what the Flyers did
Just their reasoning behind it. If they came out after the game and said they were trying to break the trap by saying, “hey, you want this puck? Well play some defense and come and get it, fuck face!” Whining about it being “unfair” and “taking a stand” against it was incredibly stupid and insulting to the fans’ intelligence. If it were an unfair system or cheating, the Lightning would never allow a goal or lose a game.
Wise men say: "Forgiveness is divine, but never pay full price for late pizza"
and
Jhonas Enroth, Sabres goalie take two, got “run over” tonight
"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Harry Potter
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
I know what you're all thinking
“Look at that name” you’re gasping, “I bet that lends itself to all sorts of neat anagrams.. why, Enroth is an anagram of ‘Throne’.. bet I can have some fun with.. er..umm”
and then it turns out that there are no cool anagrams there, none at all. Life is cruel, sometimes.
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 15, 2011 12:26 AM CST up reply actions
actually, just the name
“Jhonas Enroth” is pretty fucking euphonious.. makes him sound like some sort of Norse bad-guy…. I’m seeing swords and blood-stained snow…
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 15, 2011 12:52 AM CST up reply actions
and..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 15, 2011 1:01 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Awesome
but did his teammates step up? clearly that’s what’s important
Sure, Cole went through the crease,
but Enroth definitely moved into that hit and was looking for a call.
Or perhaps he wanted to see if a teammate would come to his aid, but alas, no one really seemed to care. Heh.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Nov 15, 2011 12:56 AM CST up reply actions
yus
he did flop a bit there… not helping anybody’s case re: Shanahan/Lucic either..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 15, 2011 1:00 AM CST up reply actions
Watching the highlights On Demand
From Sundays game…
I did not realize when scoring first we are 7-0-1 and when scoring in the first period we are 9-1-1 (or something like that).
That is a wild stat line.
I don't know if this went unnoticed or not
But I really liked what Carcillo did on Monty’s first goal.
As Kane carried the puck in Andy Sutton (D-man 1) marked him and followed him to the far corner.
Carcillo went straight to the front of the net and forced Potter (D-man 2) to pay attention to him. Which, after Monty’s nice little move around Petrell (1st forward back, you can see the other two getting back late into the zone), opened up the back side so that it was just 1-on-1 with the goalie.
Had Carcillo not gone to the net to occupy Potter then Montador either ends up with his shot blocked or he gets turned away without even getting a shot off.
They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!
Carcillo has done that a few times
Remember Kaner’s sweet spin-o-rama pass to Hossa for the easy tap-in goal? That one was also made possible by Carcillo driving to the net – because Carcillo drove hard to the net, the crease defender had to cover him which in turn opened up the back door for that pass to fly through. I’ve got to say, I’ve been very pleasantly surprised by the play of Carcillo this year
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Nov 15, 2011 7:31 AM CST up reply actions
But guys these are NHL players
Carcillo is supposed to do this. It does not make a guy legendary because he drives the net like he is supposed to. Please, lets not make my favorite meme into the next Paul Bunyon (Dave Bolland).
It’s almost like you guys are playing Edzo Bingo here.
Hold My Stones
If every guy who we needed to drive the net drove the net
Kopecky and Brouwer would still be here.
That is revisionist.
And is not the reason Brouwer is not a member of The Hawks. BTW, those two helped The Hawks win a cup, and Brouwer would help this team considerably now. I would take Brouwer over Carcillo 100 times out of 100 times
There is no argument that Carcillo is doing a nice job at his position.
Hold My Stones
Okay.
Let me find some stone and a chisel where we can jot down all the pearls of absolute truth and wisdom dribbling their way down your leg.
The make a product for when old people have that trouble.
Really?
Let’s compare the two players shall we?
Brouwer
4G, 5A +4, 15:01 / game, SH TOI 15:12 or 1:00/game, PP TOI 28:15 or 1:53/game, 54 Hits
Carcillo
2G 5A, 12:33 / game, SHTOI 0:00, PP TOI 9:20 or :44/game, 39 hits
Brouwer plays in all situations.
Carcillo gets no time when shorthanded even with Bolland out. What does that tell you? It tells me he is not a complete player. He does what he is asked to do and does it well. Oh yeah, he drives the net
Hold My Stones
keep in mind the price tags these two players have now
begs the question who brings more bang for the buck
by putmeinthemadhouse on Nov 15, 2011 8:46 AM CST up reply actions
The Hawks have cap space
and I am not saying that Carcillo is not doing a nice job at his position. He is. He is not, however, the legend some are wanting to portray him as.
You are right, if you find a guy for close to what Carcillo is making that can play in all situations……….wait…….
Bryan Bickell – he is Bolland’s Blue Ox remember?
Hold My Stones
right im not arguing that
im just saying for a $750k ‘fourth liner’ he has been playing remarkably well and there is nothing wrong with lauding that.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Nov 15, 2011 8:52 AM CST up reply actions
Speaking of this
I wonder if we will see Carcillo on the 3rd at some point this season?
Carbomb Mafia. Or something
It's on, bitches.
Tweeping as @ehirtens
You are telling people not to make Carbomb into a folk hero, but yet here you are making a bronze statue for Brouwer
If he was so damn good, he would have produced when put on a line with Toews and Kane. He happened to be on the cup team, he wasn’t exactly a big time contributor either. You’re being revisionist.
"What is icing?"
"Well, uh... icing appen when uh the puck come down... bang, you know, before the other guys, nobody there, you know. My arm go comme ça then the game stop then start up."
by anActiveStick on Nov 15, 2011 8:58 AM CST up reply actions
I am revisionist? Take a look at what actually happened
He contributed the entire season. Enough to accumulate 22 goals 18 assists and be +9 with 189 hits, 1:27 SHTOI /game and 2:05 PPTOI/game. But yes he did not contribute to winning the fucking cup. He sucked. Good thing he’s gone. The current PK and PP are kicking some serious ass without him eh? He mad 250,000 more than Carcillo when he was here and was worth every fucking penny.
Maybe Carcillo should play on the PK? It’s worth a try.
Hold My Stones
by laaarmer on Nov 15, 2011 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Heh
Maybe instead “Wide open spaces” it should say “This wide open space brought to you by the growing legend of Babe the Blue Ox.”
by ChicagoNativeSon on Nov 15, 2011 8:33 AM CST up reply actions
Granted I didn't pay him too much attention while in Philly
But I wasn’t expecting him to play this well either. I don’t expect him to keep going at this nice of a pace but even at a reduced rate he fills his role well on this team.
They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!
Yeah, I wasn't trying
To increase his legendary status. Just thought it was a nice, smart play that didn’t get recognized by the announcers (that I recall, maybe they revisited it later).
They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!
I Carcillo was really good, he would be on the other side of the D man
Or in Edzo Bingo, he would have “inside position”.
But alas, he doesn’t, does he.
Hold My Stones
Wow is all I can say
Brouwer never lived up to his potential in the Indianhead, that’s why he’s not here. As much as I dislike Stalberg, I’ll take him any day over Brouwer and twice on Sunday. At least Stalberg is noticeable. Brouwer? The only thing I remember about him is was his SHG against SJ that one time.
"What is icing?"
"Well, uh... icing appen when uh the puck come down... bang, you know, before the other guys, nobody there, you know. My arm go comme ça then the game stop then start up."
by anActiveStick on Nov 15, 2011 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
Stalberg has a long way to ge to even get close to what Brouwer brought to this team
He skates fast, though.
I hope he gets there.
Hold My Stones
Brouwer was a 7th round pick that scored 49 goals in 3 seasons and played in all situations
what kind of potential was he supposed to live up to?
Dan Carcillo is a 3rd round pick
Stals is a 6th rounder
Hold My Stones
both worked
Cue = prepare as a sign to bring about
queue (as a verb) = to line something up
by northernsails on Nov 15, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Links?
"What is icing?"
"Well, uh... icing appen when uh the puck come down... bang, you know, before the other guys, nobody there, you know. My arm go comme ça then the game stop then start up."
Here you go
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by FrankStallone on Nov 15, 2011 8:50 AM CST up reply actions
Thank you. Now please grill them and put them on a bun with some sauteed peppers and onions please.
"What is icing?"
"Well, uh... icing appen when uh the puck come down... bang, you know, before the other guys, nobody there, you know. My arm go comme ça then the game stop then start up."
by anActiveStick on Nov 15, 2011 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry, no grilling on the internet
it’s a fire hazard
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Nov 15, 2011 8:58 AM CST up reply actions
But I just went over to youtube and they were grilling over there!
I’m starvin’ and the only cure is Moar Links!
"What is icing?"
"Well, uh... icing appen when uh the puck come down... bang, you know, before the other guys, nobody there, you know. My arm go comme ça then the game stop then start up."
by anActiveStick on Nov 15, 2011 9:03 AM CST up reply actions
try telling that to George...
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 15, 2011 9:05 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly
Im hiding in my work cave trying to avoid being volun-drafted into assisting another business unit that I hate, and the links help me look busy
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Nov 15, 2011 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
C'mon Julia or Southpaw
Get this man his links for the love of God!!!
"What is icing?"
"Well, uh... icing appen when uh the puck come down... bang, you know, before the other guys, nobody there, you know. My arm go comme ça then the game stop then start up."
by anActiveStick on Nov 15, 2011 8:55 AM CST up reply actions
The photoshop machine is overheating again
I think Southpaw’s looks like this…
I always loved the smell of these things in school (might explain some things).
/the youngins wonder, WTF is that??
by ChicagoNativeSon on Nov 15, 2011 9:08 AM CST up reply actions
I managed a loft building in River North during the '90's
All the graphic design companies had these rooms. It was like mad scientist time in there.
Hold My Stones
Links are up
no need to worry anymore
Why Q, why?!
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