The Bass And The Movement - Hawks 3, Wild 3 (Hawks Win Euchre Tournament)
by McClure on Dec 14, 2011 10:17 PM CST
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It had been a long damn time since a game between the Hawks and any Minnesota-based team had any kind of importance to it, or ever in the case of the Wild since their inception. But tonight's game about 3/8ths deep into the season between the top two teams in the west had a near playoff-like atmosphere, complete with the 6th largest crowd ever on hand at the Xcel for a regular season game.
For the most part, the game lived up to the billing, and a see-saw battle in which the Hawks never trailed, and there was more than a little questionable officiating ended with two points gained and one kinda-sorta given away. Even though the game was early and the wrap is timely, the linear recap is getting bypassed for the meaty, meaty bullets. Enjoy.
Observations
- The officiating. Yes the big fuck up was the ice/no-ice call that led to Minny's first goal, but the calls were bad all the way around for both teams tonight, and it's something that has to be rolled through. Mikko Koivu's "trip" on Brent Seabrook was pretty much Seabs blowing a tire for no reason, and the only fathomable reason to give Cullen and unsportsmanlike would be because he said the "magic word" to the official. There was much consternation and bleating from the Wild side regarding the Duncan Keith breakup of Cullen's breakaway which drew his ire in the first place, but I've yet to see a replay where there's anything but stick-on-stick from Keith, who made a beautiful play to deny a chance.
- So back to that icing call. Yes, the linesman did apologize for it, which Regis McGuire later declared on national TV, but that does not absolve John Scott of the irredeemably stupid manifold decisions he made.
First, whether he knew icing was on or off, there is zero reason for him to skate to the exact same spot as his partner Steve Montador, who had clearly and embarassingly beaten him from across the ice to the puck. In fact, there's hardly a reason for both defensemen to be in the same spot like that anywhere away from the goal mouth EVER. Given the oncoming forecheck, Scott should have either a) held up at the hash and given Monty a target, then gone in if he needed help, or b) just gone to the front of the net to take up space.
Secondly, upon arrival, there's no need for him to just stand still and try to decapitate someone, though I suppose he felt he's been deprived of those opportunities lately, with no one stupid enough to engage him. Either way, once again, a John Scott shift on the ice on the road led to a goal against that changed the complexion of the game. At what point is anyone going to ask Quenneville what specific reasons he has for trotting him out there, especially on the road? - And for his troubles, Steve Montador found himself benched in the third with Scott taking shifts with Keith, Seabrook, and Leddy. I'm not sure what is expected of Montador (or Lepisto or OD for that matter) as a third pairing defensemen that John Scott somehow provides, but again, I'd be happy to hear it.
- Relating to the previous point, the ice times were once again completely cockeyed, with Duncan Keith skating over 30 minutes, Toews nearly 24:00, but with Montador, Frolik, and Brunette (the latter two of whom actually had decent games) all dry-humping 10:00 minutes TOI. It became pretty clear last year what leaning on the top of the roster for an extended period of time can do. Let's not go through that again, shall we?
- Pretty solid game by Razor all the way around, including in the shootout, where he hadn't inspired much confidence prior to tonight. However, all three Wild goals came with Emery being just a touch slow moving laterally, which shows the toll his hip condition has taken. For the most part though, Razor's shown that if he can see it, he can stop it.
- So Toews pretty much once again just kinda threw it right down on the kitchen counter for everyone to behold on that goal, didn't he?
- Oh hey, Michael Frolik is alive.
- Not Brent Seabrook's best night, but he's been generally better since his first game or two back from injury.
- Marcus Kruger just keeps getting better. He's still a little too light in the ass, but he's got the hockey IQ to make up for it. And he's going to keep trying that blind, between-the-legs pass until it works it seems.
- I'm not sure if what was observed tonight was the Hawks letting off the gas in the 3rd, or one of the league's hottest teams of late making a big push, but the blown third period leads are still a bit worrysome.
- John Scott was a +10 in Corsi. Excuse me while I set myself on fire.
That 3rd period goal will get you here every time. More please.
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Yeah!
I think that the Wild (fuck non-plural nicknames) are going fall back to Earth now.
by Chi-Fed on Dec 14, 2011 10:30 PM CST via mobile reply actions
The Wild will be good all year. But yeah, they won't stay on top, not even of their division.
I plan to live forever, or die trying.
by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 14, 2011 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
I thought they looked strong defensively
they gave up a decent amount of shots and the Corsi looks bad but I thought they did a good job of limiting scoring chances. They may regress but they’re going to be in a lot of games.
I'd certainly grant them "playoff bound" but division winner is a stretch
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
uh...wait, so who wins the division instead of them?
by northernsails on Dec 15, 2011 9:10 AM CST up reply actions
Vancouver
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 15, 2011 9:17 AM CST up reply actions
I would be perfectly fine with the Wild taking their division from Vancouver
I don’t think it will happen, but I’d be fine with it.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Dec 14, 2011 11:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Meh.
I don’t want Minnesota getting unnecessary confidence or experience. Starting next season, it’s going to be super hard making the playoffs. I want weak rivals.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
by HjammerTime on Dec 14, 2011 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
No mention of filthy Kaner dangles? I am disappoint.
Otherwise, I pretty much agree.
The weird thing with Scott is this: if Lepisto or O’Donnell made the same egregious mistake that Scott made tonight to almost singlehandedly lose us the game, their ass would be in the press box for the next three games, minimum. But I’d bet dollars to donuts that we’ll see Scott trotted out again in the next game, and still no one will understand it. At this point, I don’t even want the pattern to change so much as I just want an explanation. I’m not even ticked about it any more, I just want a coach to sit a beat reporter down and explain what they’re seeing and the rest of us aren’t. Lepisto got sat because he had one good game, then one so-so game. I trust that our coaches are not irrational people, so what are they seeing in Scott?
Razor had a good but not great game. He often makes me nervous, more so than Crow. He has a real problem with post-to-posts. Even if he manages to make the slide across, he can’t set up in a secure position to block his most vulnerable holes very quickly. I’ve also noticed a strange tendency sometimes when the puck goes behind the net directly after nearing the crease for him to actually follow the puck visually and turn around in the goal to face the play, instead of actually covering the post and goal-mouth on the appropriate side to prevent a wraparound. This sort of thing disconcerts me. I guess as long as he continues to win, it doesn’t really matter, but some of his stylistic quirks just raise my blood pressure. And that post-to-post hesitation (there’s also some hesitation on getting up from certain positions) doesn’t help much at all.
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." ~gmh
by Steeg of their own on Dec 14, 2011 10:31 PM CST reply actions
Emery
Yeah he doesn’t look terribly square on some of his positioning (even to an untrained eye like mine, it doesn’t look very conventional to me). But I have to say, his rebound control has been very, very good lately. May it long continue.
Rebound control
That’s what I noticed about him too. As for positioning, I’m tempted to say that it has a little something to do with not having very many NHL starts in the last few years.
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He did give up some big juicy rebounds in the 3rd
But the D was there to pounce on them and clear.
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 14, 2011 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
As great as Kane's move was,,,
It just demonstrates the absolute silliness of the Shootout for determining games.
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 14, 2011 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
I agree the SO is an asinine way of determining games, but
My thoughts on the matter are that as long as games are bound to be determined in an asinine fashion, I might as well be entertained while it happens. And I’ll be damned if Kaner’s little deke-fest there wasn’t the most entertaining thing I’ve seen in the shootout in a long time.
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." ~gmh
by Steeg of their own on Dec 14, 2011 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
My favorite part
the Hawk’s Faithful in the background who just had her mind blown….big time.
Maybe it's booze, maybe it's glue, maybe it's gasoline. Maybe it's a gunshot to the head. But something. Something to relieve the pressures of their everyday life, like having to tie their shoes.
lol, definitely didn't see that the first time
i like the look on everyone’s faces coming off the bench as well, sharp looks so proud, haha
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
by justforkicks on Dec 15, 2011 12:28 AM CST up reply actions
i had liked his SO goal against Fleury last year so much
this was like that with a shitton more dekes. entertaining is right!
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
by justforkicks on Dec 15, 2011 12:30 AM CST up reply actions
The weird thing with Scott is this: if Lepisto or O’Donnell made the same egregious mistake that Scott made tonight to almost singlehandedly lose us the game…
…we wouldn’t suggest that they almost singlehandedly lost us the game (especially on a blown call).
by ChicagoNativeSon on Dec 15, 2011 12:46 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Scott's an easy target
but in any regard, his goalie will communicate that an icing is coming…I don’t blame him for ending up in such a bad spot alongside Monty.
I agree.
It was a pretty bad non-call by the linesmen. One of the worst waves I’ve ever seen actually. I’m not sure if I’ve mentioned this before but I am finding it increasingly difficult to judge what an icing call is anymore. What they wave off and what they call is almost counter intuitive to my own instincts. Does anybody else find this to be the case, or is it just me? I realise there’s a concerted effort to keep the game flowing and whistle free but there seems to be several icings (or no-icings) every game that leave me scratching my head somewhat.
You are next.
This
I get sick of defending John Scott because his play doesn’t warrant it, but we’re up in arms in Blackhawks land over the goal that shouldn’t have even counted while John Scott was on the ice and not a peep about Hammer pointlessly taking himself out of the play on his belly for the last two Wild goals as the Wild just moved right past him.
And as CNS has pointed out elsewhere for all the teeth gnashing, Scott’s been on the ice for very few road goals this year. Also, if you hate John Scott don’t look at the Corsi.
“Hammer pointlessly taking himself out of the play on his belly for the last two Wild goals as the Wild just moved right past him”
Uh huh. Frustrated the shit out me last night. He needs to stop making that his “go to move.”
by ChicagoNativeSon on Dec 15, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
while i don't like shootouts
it was nice to see another team embarassed on a shootout, instead of us getting Ribiero’d and St. Louis’d on a regular basis….kane’s goal reminds me of how I try to do it on NHL 11, all the time. Unfortunately the end results aren’t the same
when did you run into will smith!?
by desertindian on Dec 15, 2011 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
first goal
I thought it was a communication breakdown. Scott veered toward the net to cut off the forechecker, allowing Montador to skate the puck behind the net. But Monty didn’t- he stopped short. Scott’s real stupidity was not playing the puck at his feet and going for the hit instead.
Second goal- Leddy slow to get back.
Overall, a pretty dominating performance.
We like our people!
I couldn’t agree more, cliff. The Scott lambasting—on this particular play, anyway—is really unfounded in my eyes. This goal was on Monty and the backchecking forwards who stopped skating, and on Emery for not eyeing the forward linesman and signalling that icing had been waved off. There were literally 4 people on the ice that were more responsible for the mistake on this play.
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Very, very, very fun game to watch
http://cjzero.com/gifs/Keith.gif
I believe this is what Cullen was pissed off about. If you look at the gif, Keith’s skate brushes Cullen’s skate, causing him to lose his footing. Now, it was not intentional by any means, but Cullen can’t possibly know that, since Keith is behind him, hence why he was irate at the non-call, but it was a good non-call if you ask me.
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if you hadn't pointed it out with the gif i probably wouldn't have ever seen it
i kept watching the replays and never even noticed. totally incidental while he was trying to get in position imo
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
by justforkicks on Dec 14, 2011 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly
Plus, if there was indeed some sort of infraction to be called, it took all of us a gif to see it, so how would the refs have been able to see it? I understand why Cullen was mad, but his un-veteran-like temper hurt the Wild. Like I said on my game recap, it’s good to have a fire as a player, but you have to be careful not to get burned.
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yeah for sure, seeing this, I can see where his frustration came from
but not a good way to show it.
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
by justforkicks on Dec 14, 2011 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
He may have been frustrated
but that is still not a penalty.
by stanfordron on Dec 15, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
it probably was
But Cullen should no better than to react that way. Players need to remind themselves that the NHL is in this process of a makeover. They are calling tighter games and protecting the players more. Cullen’s reaction is not going to fly in today’s NHL. They are calling in the AHL as well, I saw an unsportsman like call on a very similar play at a Hogs game.
Why did Cullen go down then?
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
I mentioned last night that the players locked skates...
was I the only one to see it? Seemed obvious to me, but I’m fairly sure that’s not what the refs saw. He probably saw Keith cleanly get his body around Cullen and in position to break up that play.
I didn't catch it
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didn’t notice it until the gif
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
by justforkicks on Dec 15, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Ahem.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
I really meant "totally ahem." ; )
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
lol i was waiting for you
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
by justforkicks on Dec 15, 2011 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
Kane's shootout goal made me laugh
That being said, it sucks that this game had to end in a shootout, even if the Wild had won. It was a crazy fun game to watch.
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I missed the first period
which may have been more lopsided… but what I saw was a really great game. Can you imagine a playoff series between these two teams?
Drooooooooooool
It could happen. Especially with the new proposed playoff format.
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We're in the same conference next year
Could be MANY playoff series down the road.
I plan to live forever, or die trying.
by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 14, 2011 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
And awesome.
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Us old guys remember
when Dino Ciccarelli was the most hated opponent. The North Stars – Hawks rivalry in those years was truly amazing.
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)
first period the Wild had 2 SOG, versus Hawks 11
Hawks were really dominant in the first period.
I don’t know if my heart could take a playoff series between these two teams
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
by justforkicks on Dec 14, 2011 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
Also, yeah agree. Really exciting game tonight
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
by justforkicks on Dec 14, 2011 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
The only excuse for Scott being on the ice is:
If you are going to use him, use him against a team like Minn, that lacks speed.
This fails to address the question of “Why use him at all on the road,” where the home team calls the matchups.
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 14, 2011 10:36 PM CST reply actions
And three cheers for Razr shutting them out in the shoot out
Something I did not expect.
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 14, 2011 10:37 PM CST reply actions
Clearly
the Wild didn’t scout Razor on the SO. Both Cullen and Heatley didn’t force him to move laterally too quickly, i.e. a quick forehand to backhand move. But hey, Razor made the stops. I’ll take it.
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"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
by HawkVision on Dec 14, 2011 10:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Kane's SO goal now on
I liked the way the guys played tonight. Thought the 3rd line had some dominant shifts, as did the rest, and I saw a lot of missed chances, which was unfortunate.
I do not understand sitting Monty and playing Scott. Even if overall Scott wasn’t that bad tonight.
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
I'm looking for a gif of that for my sig file.
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 14, 2011 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
Haven't posted here in ages but my thoughts...
Shootouts are beyond stupid
Hawks still need solid goaltending from someone
Toews and Kane are filthy
I’ll take the 2 points
by it'snotsomuchmeasitisroenick on Dec 14, 2011 10:39 PM CST reply actions
The John Scott head-up-ass moment behind the net bothered me more than the no icing call. I kept yelling “Where’s the puck, John!? Find the puck, John!? John!? Hello!? (aaaand, pass in front, goal)” But no, he’s worried about delivering a shot to a guy who is no longer apart of the play. Vintage, Scott. But, you’re right, Q. Lepisto deserved to sit.
Yeah, this subject is beaten to death, but the examples of why he needs to not be on the ice just keep oooooon coming!
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
by HawkVision on Dec 14, 2011 10:48 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I will make this point
If Icing had actually been called and the wild player ran into monty, wouldnt you want scott there and defending his teammate?
Not defending scott but they all assumed it was icing.
To me another huge culprit on this play was Bolland, he also went behind the net right as the pass was made and could have cut someone off there.
by Kissmyanthia on Dec 14, 2011 11:14 PM CST up reply actions
yeah but the problem with assuming it was icing, is that there was no whistle
gotta play to the whistle
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
by justforkicks on Dec 14, 2011 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly
If icing had been called its not like it would take Fluffy long to get there from where he should have been in front of the net to help Monty if necessary
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by FrankStallone on Dec 14, 2011 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
Very happy with this win
Played smart and hard for 64 out of 65 minutes (See McClure’s comments on Scott above). Overcame the adversity of bad calls (we also benefited from bad calls). Played well in front of a hostile crowd against a red hot team that lost the night before and was fired up.
And two weeks ago we were ready to circle the wagons.
More of this please. And less OT. Let’s finish it in regulation.
Beware a let down against Calgary. Remember the Alberta circus stops.
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 14, 2011 10:50 PM CST reply actions
I'll give Scott credit for doing a few nice things tonight
But his s-l-o-w retreat in getting back to the iced puck is y he can’t play, not to mention the decision he made once he got back.
If lepisto and OD aren’t better than Scott and Monty can’t play more than 10 min, a d-man is a must IMO
by Z-man24 on Dec 14, 2011 10:52 PM CST via mobile reply actions
This is wrong intel.
Faceoff was on Scott’s side of ice. That d-man’s job is to hold the board/blueline position longer than the d-man at mid-ice. That means on those kind of dumps the cross ice defensemen is responsible for chasing down the puck.
You are next.
I understand that
And I worded that poorly, my point is he’s terrifyingly slow and I don’t care what anyone says he should not have ended up that close to Monty. Also, none of us know what the communication was on the ice. The biggest issue is that emery prob saw the one linesman raise his hand indicating icing. I say that because it would make sense that he didn’t try to play the puck. Either way Scott showed his slowness and there is no reason for him to go behind the net when he did. He should’ve parked in front of the net until the puck dictated he move
by Z-man24 on Dec 15, 2011 12:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He's lumbering, no question about that (although he still chews up ice once he rev's up)
Like any big man, it’s his acceleration/agility that’s the real problem. I think his effort to interfere with the forechecker (Gillies) kind of carried him deeper than he wanted. I would’ve like to have seen him peel off in front of the goal-line too though. In the end, it was a bad no-call that precipitated a couple minor errors in sequence. Errors in sequence become hard to defend (as you allude to).
You are next.
by M7 on Dec 15, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
No. Do you know how many blocks he makes that way?
We like Hjammer on his knees.
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." ~gmh
by Steeg of their own on Dec 14, 2011 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
... That came off with way more innuendo than I intended, didn't it?
Facepalm.
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." ~gmh
by Steeg of their own on Dec 14, 2011 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
oh it came off all right
No no, never never.
Why not?
Against the rules. You know, you're stupid when you do that.
by Just some English pig with no brains on Dec 14, 2011 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
just had to add in some more on top of it didnt you?
by putmeinthemadhouse on Dec 14, 2011 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
and why not?
Who doesn’t like a happy ending?
Maybe it's booze, maybe it's glue, maybe it's gasoline. Maybe it's a gunshot to the head. But something. Something to relieve the pressures of their everyday life, like having to tie their shoes.
Seriously?
In what world is Hjalmarsson the best D-man on the ‘hawks? He’s the best shot-blocker, that’s it.
He’s also the best at not using his size. He’s a big guy who plays like a smallish defender, but whatever. As long as he’s effective, I could care less if he becomes a bruiser or not.
Which is understandable for awhile, considering how the game is played in Europe
But, he has spent enough time in the NHL and the AHL before that to have become accustomed to how we play over here. You see lots of Euro guys come to Rockford and struggle at first, the good ones adjust.
There is a ceasefire called on this
but I am in agreement with you. Not worth his contract and not getting any better decision wise.
My wife better appreciate how much I love her
Because I missed the game to have dinner with her parents on Long Island and she’s not even here! (I’m here on business still, she’s home in DC). Granted they get on a plane to go home to Hong Kong tomorrow, but still…
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
The sacrifices we make
for our loved ones. They’ll never understand. Everyone at SCH understands. Way to take one for the team. You know, the other team. Blood and marriage and all that.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 14, 2011 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
That's either a get out of jail free card the next time you miss a dinner
Or your choice of positions.
I plan to live forever, or die trying.
by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 14, 2011 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
We both work long hours so there really aren't any dinners to miss
And I hope you’ll understand if I don’t really want to discuss my, uh, positional preferences here hahaha. But at least it means at minimum that when I get home on Friday I’ll definitely get to watch the game against the Ducks with no complaints about wanting to watch something else
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Dec 14, 2011 11:16 PM CST up reply actions
DVR Try it!
I too had an obligation. Got home, fired up the DVR, watched the game in it’s entirety, all the while fast-forwarding through commercials. By the time OT started I was caught up to real time.
Technology is great.
Yeah, see, I'm here on Long Island on business
and won’t get home until Friday, at which point it will already be time for the next game. And I don’t really like watching games (recent games at least) that I already know the outcome of, so DVRing the game and watching it when I got home Friday would mean not wasting time on SCH when I’m supposed to be working for 2 straight days, and that just doesn’t fly
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Dec 15, 2011 7:45 AM CST up reply actions
my DVR cut out
with about 2 minutes left in regulation.
by pang off the post on Dec 15, 2011 8:15 AM CST up reply actions
Whenever I DVR a game
it always pops up with a notification that it’s a live event and asks me if I want to extend the recording. I then always set it to record for an extra hour, just so that if the game has a lot of whistles or if it goes to OT or whatever I’ll still have the whole thing recorded.
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Dec 15, 2011 8:20 AM CST up reply actions
I often have to dvr using my phone
and it tells me my DVR doesn’t allow that functionality. :(
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I have a droid Bionic....
Not much out there newer than that for verizon, it’s more a problem of the DVR I have. It doesn’t allow record padding.
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I like our guys, especially these guys.
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Statement game of the season for the Hawks
Fabulous game. And yes, the Minnesota Wild are the real deal. That team is a better version of Phoenix and Nashville.
The defensive pairings? Well, it has become blindingly apparent that Q has limited tolerance for Montador. And to be honest, I understand completely. I think Q is also sending strong message to Stan that he wants a quality blueliner acquired. He’ll get his wish. Maybe it takes several weeks, but it will happen.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
It's what I've been harping about all season
This team can is as good as any in the league when they skate hard and smart for 60 minutes. (i.e. when they have the right attitude).
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 14, 2011 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
So you think that - as a team - they just collectively dog it during games?
Might just be that there’s another team on the ice playing against them that’s also trying to win.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Dec 14, 2011 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
No CNS, don't you know? Its simply because the Hawks don't give a shit
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
by justforkicks on Dec 15, 2011 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly!
If they just gave a shit, they’d be contenders, not mired in second place in the entire 30 team league.
Maybe it's booze, maybe it's glue, maybe it's gasoline. Maybe it's a gunshot to the head. But something. Something to relieve the pressures of their everyday life, like having to tie their shoes.
Sarcasm?
Anyway, that’s not my point at all. If anything, it’s the opposite: Thinking they’ll win just by showing up, or that they can sit on a 1 goal lead for a period and a half, or that that they can wait til the 3rd to really start pressing. The difference between the Alberta games and last night (besides fatigue) is the difference between:
Don’t these guys realize we’re the Blackhawks? We can outplay them for one period and win, right?
and
We are the MF’ing Blackhawks! You can NOT out play us for an entire game.
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 15, 2011 8:20 AM CST up reply actions
Thought "mired in second place" was a dead give away.
Not only ‘can’ they be as good as any team in the league, they are…consistently, which is why they have the 2nd most points and pretty much out-played the league point leaders in 60 minutes. Last night’s game was not as close as the score would indicate.
The dogging it meme just doesn’t make since over a span of 30 games. One or two, maybe, but to be where they are now, no way they are being consistently lazy or riding on their laurels.
Maybe it's booze, maybe it's glue, maybe it's gasoline. Maybe it's a gunshot to the head. But something. Something to relieve the pressures of their everyday life, like having to tie their shoes.
no. the hawks have been lucky
because apparently other teams can’t give a full 60-minute effort night in, night out, which is all their fans are asking for.
what a crappy team league game planet!
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by cliffkoroll on Dec 15, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
I was replying to the troll comment.
I am totally cool with what you said and where you are coming from HH
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 15, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
I don't really agree
Look, playing a regular season’s worth of hockey games is an ungodly grind. I’ve played hockey for 30 years, and it was a bitch to get thru 4 games in two weeks when I was in the prime of my physical well being at age 17. “Skate hard” is not a silver bullet answer. Not by a longshot. What the Hawks lack is a real LW who will dig the puck out at all costs and scrape paint during his 25 shifts on the ice. Hence why this team struggles like a sunovabitch against the grindy likes of the Preds and Yotes.
I’d like to see Stan find a veteran LW that fits that bill. Doesn’t need to be fancy by any stretch, but SOMETHING better than the Bryan Friggin Bickell Experiment, which needs to come to an END yesterday. And also a blueliner who you can pair with Leddy or Montador and can do all the shit work that is inordinately heaped on Seabrook and Hjalmarsson right now. Montador sucks. In hindsight, Stan screwed up on that signing. But now we have to make amends before playoff time rolls around. I’ll take a Brent Sopel type. That sort of commodity is out there to be found in the market and at favorable market rate.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
So in summary...
A 3rd line LW and Brent Sopel to pair with Leddy or Monty (even though “Montador sucks”) is the answer?
by ChicagoNativeSon on Dec 14, 2011 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
I admit
I don’t get the “Montador sucks” thing. That’s not really what the stats say and it doesn’t fit with my observations either.
He seems like a perfectly adequate 5th defenseman to me. Wish he could kill penalties, but on the other hand he’s contributed to the PP so it’s more or less a wash to me.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
Just a general comment
Stats do not tell everything, Hockey is not like baseball. Advanced Hockey stats are a very new thing and are still developing. Baseball is a much more individual sport that hockey. Quick decision making also plays a different type of role and the wrong ones are often more costly.
The infuriating thing about
the Bryan Friggin Bickell Experiment
is that he could be the answer to BLou’s call. If there’s one player on this team who might have an issue with the “give-a-shit” button, it’s Bicks. And it ain’t like Q isn’t giving him regular reminders.
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)
Who will you replace Bickell with?
Honest question. They would have sent him back up here to Rockford if they felt they could get away with it.
Bickell is a streaky player, always has been. He is a third/fourth liner and nothing more. Our expectations should be for a player of that caliber.
Nashville maybe, but not PHX
I know all three are supposedly “grindy” but there is no way to quantify that. The Wild are good, but not this good. If they figure out how to score more or make a move that helps in that department then they will be really scary.
Seabrook coughed the puck up way too many times tonight
I was almost starting to cringe every time he got the puck in the defensive zone as the game wore on. And Keith was definitely Norris-caliber tonight.
by ForeverLOST108 on Dec 14, 2011 11:40 PM CST reply actions
Excellent win
First period was actually our best played period and we didn’t even dent the twine. I can’t complain about the officiating all that much since it affected both sides. Scott probably could have even gotten sent off after the non-ice call for how adamant he was with the official.
Still, team defense looked on par with what we can expect. Marlboro 72 played a very solid game. I also thought Leddy played well tonight. The pass from Kruger on Frolik’s goal was a thing of beauty. Kinda the opposite of the Hossa goal which was a dirty, rolled up sleeves chip in at the goal mouth. Toews’ was both pretty in terms of the dangle and earned from the steal that led to it.
Kaner’s shootout goal wasn’t so much his hands as it was his patience. Good to see from him just waiting until he’s got such an open side to score.
Sounds like Emery already getting the nod for Friday. I guess I’ve no recourse anymore to disagree. He was great tonight. Ride the hot hand until he craps out.
by JesusMarianHossa on Dec 14, 2011 11:42 PM CST reply actions
That Scott and Q were so animated in talking to the official...
and didn’t get a misconduct, is a sign the guy knew he blew the call right away. One thing I love about this sport: Hockey refs will apologize for a bad call, even during the game in which they make it. You don’t get that in Baseball or Football – basketball,
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 15, 2011 8:12 AM CST up reply actions
Complete nonsense.
Baseball officials apologize all the time. Think the blown Galarraga perfect game. I love hockey as much as the next guy, but there is no reason to make it out to be something it’s not…
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
But during the game?
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 15, 2011 9:19 AM CST up reply actions
Hochuli apologized when he made that error a few years ago.
And the ref only apologized after intermission last night, where he very likely had a chance to watch a replay of the call. Baseball and football umps/refs don’t really have that opportunity unless there is a delay (baseball) or a blown call in the 1st half (football).
by Katherine215 on Dec 15, 2011 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
That's wonderful and all, but it still led (directly or indirectly) to a goal.
That ref needs to be reviewed by Toronto…or, at least, have his eyes examined.
by northernsails on Dec 15, 2011 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
Mistakes are made.
They are human.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
The Wild Recap is great.
So nice to see a recap that recognizes both teams talents vs the usual “We got screwed!” I look forward to hating the Wild but if JSlandry keeps posting these good recaps the Wild will be 3rd in my hatred in our conference after detroit and stl. Van is still number 1 over all but that won’t last too many seasons. Also, Mikko Koivu really shouldn’t be a captain (this is sarcasm for anyone who gets the reference)
No no
but if JSlandry keeps posting these good recaps
Seriously… don’t inflate his ego any more. Dude already thinks he can hump random buffalo statues.
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by BReynolds on Dec 15, 2011 12:28 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Don't worry. I'm sure I'll hate him next year
At least in the regular season
At least he's better at it than Jonathan Toews.
Honestly. What do people see in him? Is it the Top 10 in Points and Goals or the stifling defense all over the ice?
/sarcasm
by northernsails on Dec 15, 2011 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
'12-'13 power conference?
Just glanced at the Western standings. 6 of the top 7 Western teams right now are all in the Hawks’ conference next year. BJs got work to do.
by Karl Granitza on Dec 15, 2011 12:07 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
I say this
Only because two other sites would ban me for doing so, and I am fairly confident you won’t.
Fuck all of you for beating the Wild. You owed them for the playoffs last year, and this is how you repay that? Seriously unfucking cool. OK, I’m done. I missed the game due to class. Saw the end of the third, OT, and shoot out. Kane’s shoot out was disgusting. Backstrom was super weak on that. Ridiculous.
Love you all, Hawks fans. Looks like next year should be some real fun. Oh, and you’re all bastards.
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Master of unsustainable passive regression.
Love you too!
When I decide to change my personality I will let you know what I become.
by Blackhawks Transplant on Dec 15, 2011 12:28 AM CST up reply actions
Ha ha. I love this site so much.
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Master of unsustainable passive regression.
I wish I could have been here all night. I hate school right now. Was the last night of class, big presentation, and had to miss the game. My priorities are truly messed up.
Editor:Hockey Wilderness Editor:In Lax We Trust Now with more Twitterness: ReynoldsSBN
Master of unsustainable passive regression.
uncool
Fuck all of you for beating the Wild. You owed them for the playoffs last year, and this is how you repay that? Seriously unfucking cool.
I … don’t feel at all guilty.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
oh yeah
Thanks…now go smoke the Canooks monday
by Canuckslicknutsak on Dec 15, 2011 12:33 AM CST up reply actions
This. Oh so very much this.
Editor:Hockey Wilderness Editor:In Lax We Trust Now with more Twitterness: ReynoldsSBN
Master of unsustainable passive regression.
Nor should you. This Hawks team is so good. I hate them for it.
Editor:Hockey Wilderness Editor:In Lax We Trust Now with more Twitterness: ReynoldsSBN
Master of unsustainable passive regression.
hah, we def did owe you for the playoffs last year...but not this much!
Sucks you had to miss the game, was very entertaining.
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
by justforkicks on Dec 15, 2011 12:32 AM CST up reply actions
Wait a tick
Oh, and you’re all bastards.
Are you saying there’s something wrong with my lineage?
Maybe it's booze, maybe it's glue, maybe it's gasoline. Maybe it's a gunshot to the head. But something. Something to relieve the pressures of their everyday life, like having to tie their shoes.
I share that lineage, so do both of my children. We come from a long line of proud bastards. We should really have a bastard family crest.
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Master of unsustainable passive regression.
Group hug! Come her, big guy...
I plan to live forever, or die trying.
by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 15, 2011 8:22 AM CST up reply actions
Whaaaat? The Wild is, like, my second favorite team now *because* of that!
by northernsails on Dec 15, 2011 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
There is a difference...
Between teams you hate, and teams you want to beat really badly, but respect. Teams (and their fans) that play hard or root hard, but take a win or a loss like a man. Right now I would put Minn in the latter category.
I plan to live forever, or die trying.
by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 15, 2011 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
What are you talking about?
We gave you a point – one entire, whole, point. And this is how you respond?
Fucking ungrateful Wild fans… :P
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
The John Scott amplifier effect
Either way, once again, a John Scott shift on the ice on the road led to a goal against that changed the complexion of the game.
John Scott has only even been on the ice for 2 other road goals (and 1 at home).
So was it when he was on the ice for Edmonton’s 9th goal that changed the complexion of that game? Or the goal in the 3-0 crapfest against St Louis?
/no one puts euchre in the corner
by ChicagoNativeSon on Dec 15, 2011 12:32 AM CST reply actions
Yeah
Everyone has the Scott problem all wrong. He hasn’t been on the ice for many GA this year, and he wasn’t last year, either (1.48 GA/60 last season even strength).
The problem with Scott is that he’s dead weight offensively and, for whatever reason, doesn’t play any minutes, not that he gives up a bunch of goals when he’s out there. But no one seems to actually be able to believe this fact.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
Yup, yup, yup
On the ice for ONE GOAL (that would make a snappy slogan) in 14 games – playing for one of the league’s best offensive teams? Hell, even Monty got credit for being on the ice for at least 2 goals already – due to coming on the ice for a line change.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Dec 15, 2011 12:59 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry but john scott is awful
Ignore the stats and watch the guy play. Then watch OD and pistol play. There is no way you think john scott is not the worst of the 3.
I probably agree, on balance
But it’s still unfair to blame him for being responsible for a bunch of goals when he hasn’t been on the ice for a bunch of goals.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
well
his minutes are generally of the “protected” variety. I recall a game against Columbus (Scott at forward?) October 29. Q eschewed getting the 4th line off the ice against the Nash line when he could have- 10 seconds later, puck in back of net.
Having said that, the gap between Lepisto, OD, and Scott isn’t as horrific as it is portrayed for a #6 d-man. You can see what Q is thinking: Lepisto is basically a known quantity, OD can be effective in spurts and is the only one of the three that can play PK, and Scott, let’s admit it, he’s improved from a very low baseline.
I don’t suppose you’d get an honest answer from other players, and it’s prolly an inappropriate question, but I’ve gotten an indirect vibe from, e.g., a Patrick Kane, that having John Scott around isn’t the worst thing in the world. It’s violent out there!
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meh Mayers will do the same function for him
plus he’s played better than most of us thought when he came over here. I don’t know what to think of Montador (because Q won’t play him) yet, but Mayer so far looks like a very good signing.
I think that's exactly what everyone's complaining about.
It’s the lack of minutes he skates that hurt the team. Of course he won’t be on the ice for many goal against when the coaches don’t trust him to crack ten minutes a game. Any smart fan recognizes that.
But I'm talking goals against
per 60 minutes. In other words, a rate stat. And like I said, it’s consistent with the numbers from last year, too. Your argument here just doesn’t make sense – it is irrefutable that teams score at a lower rate when Scott is on the ice than when he is not on the ice.
Look, I’m not saying that Scott is good. I don’t think he is. BUT his badness is way, way overstated. Or at the very least, misdiagnosed.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
Any smart fan recognizes that.
Doh!
Like Brian explained, it’s a rate per 60.
Sure, he’s not good. I never said he was. But you guys are completely changing the argument here (basically confirming my point). Blaming him for “OMG a bazillion goals against” and people saying “ignore the stats” because he looks awkward only serves to intensify the unbearable hyperbole.
The reality for the past 1.5 seasons is that Q has successfully used Scott in situations where he doesn’t get burned defensively. And maybe, just maybe, despite the awkwardness that most 6’8" athletes display, his sheer size, wing span, and the fact that he’s rather intelligent, allow him to get by unscathed on most nights. Albeit against weak competition, but even the weak fail against their weak peers and Scott is “succeeding” defensively. (“Scott” and “succeeding” in the same sentence! /losing all credibility here)
But on the flip side, those traits do little to improve his offensive game. And that’s where he’s actually dead weight to this team.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Dec 15, 2011 7:23 AM CST up reply actions
Damn your stats
but you’re also correct in pointing out that perception is oftentimes greater than reality – but I think that when you’ve seen as much of Scott farking up all over the place as we have, you tend to start believing he’s responsible for everything that goes wrong while he’s on the ice. He’s not a good hockey player – so be it.
Minutes
Yes, of course, the minutes argument.
Last game Lepisto was in, Scott was out. Lepisto played 8:38. An OT game.
Game before, Scott out, Lepisto (12:32) and Monty (12:07) another OT game.
Game before, Scott out, O’Donnell in for 9:37. Another OT shootout game.
Game before, Scott out, O’Donnell in for 12:28.
Game before, Scott out, O’Donnell in for 9:50. Another OT shootout game.
This idea that John Scott’s low minutes are wearing out Keith/Hammer/whoever may be true, but it’s just as true if Lepisto or O’Donnell dress instead.
yup...
and the worst offender is Monty. This is a guy that should be playing 16-18 minutes a game. If he does that, he instantly shaves off a few minutes from Keith, Seabs AND Leddy’s TOI. I’m fine with the 6th guy getting 8-10 minutes per game, it’s the 5th guy I think needs to come through so that Q doesn’t destroy his top 4.
Q controls how many minutes Montador has on ice.
And I really don’t think he’s played so poorly as to warrant the minimal ice time (for a 5th D) Q has been giving him.
The one thing that constantly frustrates me about Q’s coaching is the seemingly irrational dislike he develops for certain players and the resultant skewing upward of TOI for other players on the roster who really don’t need to be piling up the minutes this early in the year.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
I agree!
I cut john scott slack there. He thought it was icing and went to protect his teammate from contact on an icing play (at least I think that’s what happened). Just a flukey goal.
I am all for never playing john scott for the pure logic of that, it is stupid to play him. He is clearly worse than OD or pistol. That said I don’t really blame him on that play because I think he thought it was icing and was coming to the defense of a teammate.
But I do agree...
about the on the road part. You really want scott and monty out there against the koivu line? I didn’t think lepisto was all that good but putting scott in the lineup is never a smart decision, especially on the road.
Exactly
Montador goes to touch the puck, Scott gets in front of Gillies so there is no chance Gilles can get a lucky stick on it. Montador gets to the puck, and just puts a soft little touch on it because he thinks there will be a whistle, Scott thinks Gillies hit Montador on an icing so tries to stand up for his teammate. In the meantime, the Wild were paying attention, and score. Monty and Scott immediately turn to the official, with a “da fuck?” look on their faces, and for good reason.
Yes, they could have been more aware, or Emery could have yelled no icing. But damn. I really don’t think that play warranted using an entire third of the games observations to further diminish the image of Scott…
I highly doubt that play was a big factor in the Montador bench ride, and the “irredeemably stupid manifold decisions” that Scott made are exactly what a coach teaches you to do on icing…
Damn it! I need another beer!
by HumanAfterAll on Dec 15, 2011 2:15 AM CST up reply actions
A fair point in Scott's defense.
Should Razr have been watching the front linesman and screaming NO ICING when he lowered his arm? Probably, but the guy waited a while to wave it off.
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 15, 2011 7:52 AM CST up reply actions
Hoever (boy I wish there was an edit button.
What we need is a third pair that can eat some minutes and keep Duncs and Biscuit below 27:00 / game.
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 15, 2011 7:55 AM CST up reply actions
His main concern should be in front of the net
Never assume anything, play to the whistle. Basic hockey.
After last year
I can’t really be worried about blown 3rd periods.
Totally agree.
about brunette and frolik and I thought monty was no different than usual. Brunette I thought was solid except for the turnover that led to the goal (remember that one where it was a 2 on 2 and leddy decided to enjoy the view behind him).
Monty was monty. He makes poor decisions defensively but he is a somewhat big body with experience that has some offensive abilities.
Razor ray was sharp again. He is obviously slow (has been since the injury) but he swallows up pucks very well, particularly on the pk. That is why I like him. I also think he deserves the masterton after all he has done but you just know he will be one of the runners up to crosby.
Also
I thought leddy wasn’t good. It would be really nice to have a puck mover back there to help out leddy, lepisto isn’t cutting it.
And as far as carcillo
The blackhawks didn’t need a fight tonight, the wild may have. Stupid fight by carcillo.
The blackhawks needed a fight against san jose (they had no energy) and didn’t get one. I don’t want to be too critical of carcillo here though because if he tried and nobody accepted there is really nothing he can do except keep running around and being an agitator hoping somebody will fight him.
Stubitz gives Kaner a whack with the stick as they skate to their benches...
…last year the team had no response . This year Carcillo immediately jumps in and answers the bell. Later in the game Montador has words with Stubs- the toughness that was lacking from last year is here. Seen this with Boll earlier this year, we have players who are there to allow our skilled players to do what they do best.
Personally, I think Carcillo’s play is average but his charactor adds life to this team. Say what you want about Scott-Carcillo but they add a degree of comfortabilty to the team.(and humor)
Lastly that Kaner goal was just ridiculous—-i was stunned
H'8ter Proof™
by ccm on Dec 15, 2011 5:39 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The fight did seem to energize them for a couple of shifts.
But that’s hockey. I don’t really blame Carbomb for this, but perhaps better to walk away from that one unless there were other issues.
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 15, 2011 7:49 AM CST up reply actions
I think the question is
Will carbomb win any fights this year?
88, 32, 7, 21, 17, 31
he didn't have much of a chance there
guy had about 20 pounds on him and a longer reach. I give him credit for going after him anyway, the announcers had mentioned that he was asking Carbomb to dance earlier in the game, and Carcillo obliged him. I’m OK with that one.
It's the only thing he's good at, really
getting to the Box. He did it a lot in Philly, I seem to recall, and even took out his own captain.
…KEEP HIM AWAY FROM TOEWS!!
by northernsails on Dec 15, 2011 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
worse, because he cant even trash-talk like Burr
by northernsails on Dec 15, 2011 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
"You're brother's ugly!"
still one of my favorites.
by Katherine215 on Dec 15, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
"That's the best hit you've had all year!"
Nothing comes close to that. Oh Burr…we knew ye too well.
by northernsails on Dec 15, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
He isn't a very good fighter
People get confused, Carcillo is a “pest” ala Theo Fleury. They can both score (Fleury obviously much more that Carcillo he had many 30 goal seasons) He is not an enforcer.
Just a general comment, not aimed at anyone. Carcillo has made some really dumb decisions, but yesterday wasn’t that bad.
Scott = 12 megatons
..Kane and #19 may be a little safer with a nuclear deterrent dressed just in case a fool takes liberties..in the playoffs you’ll need the RCMP/FBI to find him..
by barclay donaldson on Dec 15, 2011 6:42 AM CST reply actions
But we have a guy wearing # 13 who can do that...
and play a little hockey to boot.
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 15, 2011 7:48 AM CST up reply actions
the league has a bomb shelter
because Scott can’t skate well enough to catch anybody that you’d want him to retaliate against
by pang off the post on Dec 15, 2011 8:12 AM CST up reply actions
this is a tired and discarded meme
others tried to make that case last year, and as we saw abundantly versus VAN, they got their asses kicked repeatedly while Scott was on the ice. Summation? Scott = no deterrent.
maybe we can get Bieksa..
so if Brian Gionta or Marty St Louis cut up rough he can pound on them..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Dec 15, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
I was impressed by Minnesota
They played hard. They stuck to their game plan. They took care of the puck. It would have been easy to come unglued once the Hawks went up 2-0. but they pulled themselves together and found some energy, making it one hell of a game.
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 15, 2011 8:05 AM CST reply actions
Now I'm confused
Did the Wild find some energy, or did the Hawks just not play hard for 60?
by ChicagoNativeSon on Dec 15, 2011 8:38 AM CST up reply actions
yes
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Dec 15, 2011 9:03 AM CST up reply actions
Just a hunch.
They’ll finish 6 – 8 in the west. Huge strides, but they’ll fade more than a bit methinks.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
heh we hope
the team I saw out there last night was tight, disciplined, and did not allow themselves to get down after finding themselves 2 – zip. I hope they finish well and scare the shit out of the Nucks come playoff time, last year’s waltz through the Western Conference was way too easy for them.
Right now, with the new conference format
Dallas and Nashville would be out. Phoenix and Edmonton in.
Conference B (let’s call it the Norris) is likely to see a team with 100 points not make it next year. Except of course that in such a touch division, everyone’s point total will degrade.
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 15, 2011 12:00 PM CST reply actions
Goddamn, McClure!
That’s an Atmosphere reference in the title! Flec’s for Minnesotan Awesomeness..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
Just rewatched the Kane SO goal...
Backstrom didn’t seem to pleased with what Kaner unleashed on him. He stared him down as #88 skated away…
looked to me like Backstrom was trying to get Kane’s autograph.
Maybe it's booze, maybe it's glue, maybe it's gasoline. Maybe it's a gunshot to the head. But something. Something to relieve the pressures of their everyday life, like having to tie their shoes.
Kane's goal reminded me of drills goalie coaches would run on 'tenders.
Quick stick-handling with the goalies goal being to react positionally to every movement of the puck. Basically becoming a very tiring up/down/right/left, open/close five-hole routine. Goalies get it run on them until they nearly puke.
If you tried a move like Kane v Backstrom at the end of one of those practices, you were liable to get slashed hard from your own goalie. not a wonder he didn’t like it!
You are next.
by M7 on Dec 15, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
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