Atop The Sugar Pile - 12/15
Yes, it's once again that time, and this one will hopefully be more pleasant than the last one I authored. Tis the season, right? Wait, bees are in the what now?
The Dizzying Highs
- Jonathan Toews - So what else is new, right? Another week, another three games, another couple of points. And though he was held off the scoresheet against the Isle and San Jose, the captain came through in a big way against the conference leading Wild, with a goal (and what a goal it was), an assist, and getting back to the bread and butter with a five-hole conversion in the shootout. Furthermore, with Claude Giroux out indefinitely due to Wayne Simmonds' Jordan "Jumpman" impersonation giving him goo-for-brains, at the pace Toews is on, he now could put himself on the inside track for some big boy hardware.
- Patrick Sharp - Three goals, two assists, and oh yeah, two of those goals were overtime game winners, just for good measure, all on top of the birth of his first child. Of course, by the time his daughter is 10, it'll be 5 goals and four helpers, and somehow 4 OT game winners in 3 games, but that can't change the fact that the Shooter had himself a handsome as hell week, even more so than usual.
- Marian Hossa - Because he's Marian Hossa of the 400 Goal Club, and you're not.
The Terrifying Lows
- Steve Montador - While I'm still not sure what everyone expected from a 31-year-old journeyman who's always had defensive decision making problems and expected only to play third pair minutes, the fact remains that getting benched in the 3rd period of a tight game while John Scott still trudges out to the ice means he's got to tighten things up by any standard. Including this one here.
- Brent Seabrook - Though he's been better than he initially was coming back from his knee injury, Seabs has been caught out of position and hurrying with the puck more than we've become accustomed to over the years. Additionally, he can't manage to crack any power play time despite being more than capable with the d-corps heaviest shot and most accurate passes, as Keith and Leddy have been atop those umbrellas. However, that more than likely has just as much if not more to do with Coach Q's baffling insistence on a forward at the point.
The Creamy Middles
- Marcus Kruger - The point totals aren't racking up by the fistful for The Plan All Along, but Kruger has been able to center Sharp and Hossa ably enough to allow them to freak off in the top portion of this column speaks to the growth in his game. It took a little while, but the 3-phase, 3-zone skill set that Stan tried to force feed us last year is starting to really shine through, even if the kid could stand to double down on whatever traditional Swedish feast he plans on having for the holidays.
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Hmmm...
I’d have put Emery in the dizzying highs for the simple fact that he’s stabalized the goalie position for now.
Seabs as a “terrifying low”? I don’t see it. He’s been skating 25+ minutes a night and is a 3 in his past 5 games (2 in both the Minnesota and St. Louis games).
I probably would have subbed out Seabrook for Carcillo
He’s lost whatever sensibility he had early in the season. Last couple of games he’s completed a few real boners (Isle’s game penalty sticks out most). The elbowing penalty last night, while unfortunately positioned by the Minny Dman, was silly and likely preventable. Neither of those situation hurt at the time but boy they sure could have.
Two points and no goals in the last the last 12 games isn’t helping his case for playing every game either. I’m inclined to believe his ‘injury’ from the fight with Staubitz is Q’s way of saying figure it out or get used to sitting in rink side.
Hawks!
by BlackhawksFan22 on Dec 15, 2011 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
that elbow call was weak as hell
in his defense
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Dec 15, 2011 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
Also in his defense in the Isles game penalty
a) that really should have been matching minors not just 2 minutes for Carcillo, and b) coming to the defense of a teammate like that is exactly what we were lamenting about not happening last year
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by FrankStallone on Dec 15, 2011 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
Totally agree.......
the fight with Staubitz happened because Staubitz tapped Kaner with his stick from behind. Bam!! Carcillo jump on Staushitz immediately. The Stash has no problem with that. Seen Mayers respond like that also.
H'8ter Proof™
I would put emery in the creamy middles.
I agree that he has stabilized the position, but he isn’t setting the world on fire by any means. He hasn’t put up the numbers for dizzying highs IMO. if he had thrown in a shut out or multiple 1 or less goal games then yea. But as it stands I think he was snubbed of the creamy middles. I appreciate his efforts as much as the next guy but I still really want to see Crow break out of his funk.
Watching players the same age or years younger than me play pro sports makes me feel like a failure...
Last 5 games since Dec 3rd, most recent first:
.900
.936
.939
1.000 (2 periods in relief)
.920
If this is the “creamy middle” then I’d like to know where you set the bar for “dizzy high”?
by ChicagoNativeSon on Dec 16, 2011 8:23 AM CST up reply actions
I think that the point is
who cares how he’s done it or whether or not it’s looked pretty, those are some pretty damn good numbers and are a large part of the reason the ’hawks are 5-0-1 in December so far
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by FrankStallone on Dec 16, 2011 8:39 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe this is shortsighted but I don't care how he makes the saves as long as he makes them
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
by justforkicks on Dec 16, 2011 9:03 AM CST up reply actions
so he's slow on the lateral moves
I noticed that Crow wasn’t exactly setting the world on fire with that issue, either – so let’s keep playing Ray until he proves he needs a break.
exactly.
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
by justforkicks on Dec 16, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
You know what I think?
This is due to randomness.
Maybe its due to where the shots are coming from and who is shooting them. Maye the skaters are more comfy when Crawford opens the door – less screwed up changes. Maybe Emery is a better goalie. Maybe he’s better today but not tomorrow. Maybe he’s not better just playing better.
Whatever it is, and we will never know what that is, Crawford should sit until it stops. I see no problem with this.
Hold My Stones
I mistaken thought that...
Claude Giroux out indefinitely due to Wayne Simmond’s Jordan “Jumpman” impersonation giving him goo-for-brains, at the pace Toews is on, he now could put himself on the inside track for some big boy hardware.
was one of the dizzying high bullet points.
Which although not funny, is, and on multiple levels.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Dec 15, 2011 9:29 PM CST reply actions
I dunno, now I'm a little worried
What if Toews overtakes Kessel for the goals lead? It seems that Kessel has mad some sort of Faustian pact given that the last 2 guys to leapfrog him have then quickly gone down with concussions…
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by FrankStallone on Dec 15, 2011 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
Glad you mentioned it, I didnt know Sharp had a baby.
Did they mention it on the broadcasts?
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
looked up lutefisk
Didn’t know what it was. Sorry I’ll have to pass.
If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
by Timothy Fisher on Dec 16, 2011 4:53 AM CST up reply actions
Sill and akvavit (picked herring and dill flavored whiskey) are about as bad as lutfisk IMO
(also traditional like lutfisk for Yule and Midsommar) So yeah, meatballs and lingons are the way to go.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Dec 16, 2011 8:45 AM CST up reply actions
Hush dear...I'll have your lutefisk...I luv it!
the sill too.
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
Don't the Swedes also like
Anise flavored liquor?
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I like our guys, especially these guys.
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U must be from Minn or Wis
Not many know what that is
by Z-man24 on Dec 16, 2011 4:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Is this the first time in the history of ever that Brent Seabrook has been called out on SCH??
I was just thinking about this the other day. I never see bad press about Seabrook. Compared to the ringer we put all the other d-man through, night after night, year after year, Seabs is just so… consistent.
Pretty amazing guy to have on our favorite team. Even though he’s not under-appreciated, he is.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Dec 15, 2011 9:37 PM CST reply actions
He was out of position when Campoli failed to clear
I may have mentioned it in passing
Hold My Stones
by laaarmer on Dec 15, 2011 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I'm convinced Seabs isn't healthy
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
he looks a bit slow
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Dec 15, 2011 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
seems that's the CW regarding Seabs....
but still, he’s piling up minutes while putting up decent numbers. Not sure how that translates to being put in the “terrifying lows” category. Ben Smith on the other hand…
Damn right he doesn't
He was only sent to the AHL so he can show them how not to make mistakes.
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
It sure didn't take him long to straighten that place out.
In my best John Gruden
“Here’s a guy who never makes any mistakes. He’s a very good hockey player”
Hold My Stones
John Gruden is the Pierre McGuire of football.
I want to break things when I hear his stupid fucking voice.
Thanks, laaarmer, for putting his voice in my head now.
by Katherine215 on Dec 16, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
He's the best I tell ya
He and Dan Dierdorf. Hey remember Alex Karas on MNF. What about Namath? and then there was Fran too.
Hold My Stones
I only remember as far back as Dierdorf
I’m not that old yet! I still detest Gruden more than any of those and most other football announcers. Possibly even more than Buck. Definitely tied with Pierre for worst overall.
by Katherine215 on Dec 16, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
OK then in my Gruden
“Katherine215. Here’s a person who speaks her mind. She tells you what she thinks and doesn’t care what you think about it. She is a good hockey blog commenter”
Hold My Stones
aw, thanks!
(I read that in a laaarmer voice, not in a Gruden voice. You cna’t make me think about that voice!)
by Katherine215 on Dec 16, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
No Kaner in the mix?
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by light_the_lamp on Dec 15, 2011 10:24 PM CST reply actions
He's probably out drinking with "Peggy"...
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"
by Joe Banks on Dec 15, 2011 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Is Tim Thomas there, too?
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by light_the_lamp on Dec 15, 2011 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
I think Tim Thomas is still trying to get out of that Boston taxi...
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by FrankStallone on Dec 16, 2011 7:53 AM CST up reply actions
where would you put him
not dizzying high because he’s not scoring (comparative to the other guys, assists have slowed down too), not terrifying lows because he’s doing everything but scoring, so creamy middles?
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
by justforkicks on Dec 15, 2011 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds about right. His shootout goal has been the talk of the interwebs, lol.
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by light_the_lamp on Dec 15, 2011 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
Between the spin-o-rama and the shoot out, he's going to be on people's minds for a while, lol
i liked how on one of the CSN articles they said something like “Toews goal won the game, but everyone is talking about Kane!” and all the quotes from the team. fun stuff
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
by justforkicks on Dec 16, 2011 9:05 AM CST up reply actions
haha, I bet this drives Tazer a little crazy
Not so much that Toews wants the spotlight, just that they’re so competitive.
by Katherine215 on Dec 16, 2011 9:17 AM CST up reply actions
seriously! this is the type of stuff I wanted to see in 36 hours
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
by justforkicks on Dec 16, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
No Emery in the mix??
That’s an error.
Seabrook? He’s not nearly 100%. You can see it in how he labors up and down the ice. His reaction to the puck is a tick slow too. Where his issue really shows itself is on the PK when it’s a race to get to the puck and clear it. Hopefully he is on the road to recovery because he just isn’t right looking.
Montador? He sucks, period. The good news is that his sucktiute is severely pissing off Q, which will lead to a meeting of the minds with Stanley to go out and acquire a blueliner before the deadline. Montador needs to be skipped on some shifts, and he needs to stay very, very far away from pinching up in tight games. I’ve never seen a defenseman burned so severely in the neutral zone. Q loves to press his d up, but Montador cannot handle it.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Montador
is the best 3rd pairing defenseman the Hawks have had since Sopel at least.
I don’t recall Q pairing Scott with OD or Lepisto.
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by cliffkoroll on Dec 15, 2011 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
Love his approach to the game
….but he can be a hot mess out there. He has the knack of making Scott look better.
H'8ter Proof™
About Montador
I sort have had high hopes for him…but he nearly isn’t living up that obviously..however he is filling the roll that we had in 2010. What I call the “Sopel” roll. The scapegoat. But sadly at least Sopel was good at blocking shots.
Philly's pain can be more than just losing Giroux for the near term and Chris... Pronger for the season/playoffs
Pronger is signed through 2017 at a $4.9M Cap hit, on a 35+ SPC. If Chris… Pronger can’t recover and must retire (not that I would not mind this part) his Cap Hit stays on Philly’s Roster until the end of the contract because of the 35+ SPC. This brain-be-goo can hurt Philly for the next several years! (Unless the next CBA drops this provision, I wonder if PHI owners will be lobbying for that???)
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Dec 16, 2011 6:50 AM CST reply actions
Holy shit! Didn't realized that!
That sucks for them especially since the Flyers are probably a couple years from a capocalypse.
by LavalPhantom on Dec 16, 2011 7:07 AM CST up reply actions
something very wrong with that scenario
they’ve got to change that one pronto.
I dunno, it's not that simple
I mean, it does serve a pretty valuable purpose to prevent teams from trying to circumvent the cap by signing guys in the last few years of their career to long-term contracts that pay the bulk at the front but have several low-paying years at the back end that there’s virtually no chance of the guy actually playing out but serve to lower the overall cap hit. For example, what if Selanne had demanded more than the $4M he’s getting for 1 year, so the Ducks signed him to a 5-year deal worth $20M – same cap hit as now – but the contract was structured to pay him $10M this year and then the rest over the next 4 years but there’s an under-the-table expectation that Selanne retires after this season? Without the 35+ provision the Ducks are in effect able to to circumvent the cap by having a 1-year $10M contract only count as $4M against the cap with no repercussion. It’s not a great example because that’s not the type of person Teemu is, but that’s exactly the sort of situation the 35+ provision is there to prevent. A better solution, I would think, would be to change the way the cap hit of a contract is calculated so that it’s not simply the AAV of the entire contract, fix that and there’s no need for the 35+ provision because front-loaded contracts like that end up serving no purpose.
Another solution would be for the league to give teams a possibility for a case-by-case exemption where if a player succumbs to an unforeseen injury that forces him to retire when he otherwise may well have continued to play out the contract (if Pronger is forced to retire then this would be a perfect example) then the 35+ provision can be waived because the player’s retirement was forced by injury and not a means of attempted cap circumvention.
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by FrankStallone on Dec 16, 2011 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
losing Pronger for the entire year...
too bad. The guy is actually one of the few interesting interviewers in the NHL. Sucks even worse that he’s suffering from such a severe concussion.
I'm just sad that I will never be able to see Pronger pound the living shit out of Adam Burish.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
That could still happen
just maybe in a parking lot or a mall or something instead of on the ice, and thanks to modern technology and everyone having a video camera on their phone it’d still make its way on to the internet
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by FrankStallone on Dec 16, 2011 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
on the bright side he could replace Milbury
and provide funny yet acerbic commentary at the same time. I used to laugh when Pronger would react to yet another stupid question with a response in kind, then see him patiently wait to see if the reporter actually got the hint.
I don't get the Montador hate.
Maybe I’ve just not seen the games where he makes these horrible defensive mistakes.
I think he gets a bad rap because he’s an outsider. If he’d been a hawk for the last couple years, we’d be making excuses for him, like the fact that he’s paired with garbage, and that garbage is in a constant state of flux so he never has any time to work up a rapport.
The guy has done everything asked of him, including inexplicably playing the slot on the powerplay (and even more inexplicably doing damn well at it). No, he’s not the shot-blocking defensive defenseman that everyone seems to crave, but that’s not his fault. I’m sure Jay McKee would listen if you called.
He’d be just fine as a #5 d-man if he cut down on the high-sticking penalties.
I've seen little hate but quite a bit of frustration...
For me, it’s the simple fact that he’s made enough small mistakes to earn himself a place in Q’s doghouse.
Monty is not being trusted to shut down opposing offenses and that’s a huge problem. Why? Because it exerts crazy amounts of upward pressure on our top 4 D-men. If Monty was able to play his roll well, we’d see him playing around 18-19 minutes a game, which would have shaved about 2 minutes of TOI each from 2, 7 and 8 over the last 5 or so games.
It also seems to me that Leddy’s game has taken a step back since Monty has entered Q’s doghouse. He’s conserving more energy through the course of a game. He’s less active on rushes. While this could be due to a change in defensive strategy, I still don’t see the same explosiveness from the kid that I saw earlier in the year when he does pinch.
We need Monty to be better. My expectations weren’t very high when we signed him but I at least thought he’d be a decent replacement to Campoli. He hasn’t even come close to being that replacement. Not on offense, not on defense and definitely not in TOI average.
The "Montador hate" is massively overstated.
I think he’s been fine for a 3rd pair guy, which is what he is. But as he did with Marcus Kruger and others, Stan Bowman sold him as something he wasn’t (a 4th-5th when he is actually a 5th-6th) and expectations got all out of whack.
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by HjammerTime on Dec 16, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Montador would be a 3-4 on many teams so I don’t find Stan’s assertion that he’d be a 4-5 on the Hawks the least bit absurd (especially with Leddy being an unknown coming into the season).
He would be a 3-4 on many teams that suck.
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by HjammerTime on Dec 16, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
meh
still, the assertion that he’d be a 4-5 on the Hawks was about right for a guy that averaged nearly 20 minutes a night, had 26 points in a season and was a team best +16 for a good Buffalo defense/team.
call me crazy, but I thought he could handle the #4 or 5 slot better than he has.
Also, where did this meme come from?
the fact remains that getting benched in the 3rd period of a tight game while John Scott still trudges out to the ice means he’s got to tighten things up by any standard.
Look at the TOI report. It’s not true.
In the third, Scott had one nine second shift where Hammer changed but Leddy couldn’t, and one with Keith where he changed in 15 seconds before Montador. On the other hand, Montador had one shift where Scott changed out 20 seconds before him, plus two full shifts in OT.
In the 3rd, Scott had 2:05 of ice time in the third, Montador had 2:03. And Montador had 1:14 in OT when Scott had 0.
Facts Schmacts
People know what they saw! Monty was benched and Scott was completely responsible for the icing goal. Anybody who says otherwise is just plain poppycock, and not the good pop-corny kind either.
Maybe it's booze, maybe it's glue, maybe it's gasoline. Maybe it's a gunshot to the head. But something. Something to relieve the pressures of their everyday life, like having to tie their shoes.

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